Grey County Committee of the Whole Meeting Transcript — August 14, 2025

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Grey County · Committee of the Whole · August 14, 2025

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The Committee of the Whole advanced specific development projects and capital funding on August 14, 2025, while considering a report on paid parking options for the Rail Trail. Several Official Plan Amendment motions were determined, with one request to allow special events at the Highland Estate rejected following procedural refusal.

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1 Call to Order

The meeting opened with attendance calls and a land acknowledgement before adopting July 24 minutes and bylaws 524625 and 524725. Council members announced community events including a relocated Markdale Fall Fair due to arena fire damage and hosted lacrosse teams. Additionally, council discussed local events such as the Grey Highlands Ram Rodeo fundraising for the Mark Dill Hospital Foundation and updates on agricultural education at the Soggy Valley Children's Safety Village.

00:06:26 Speaker 01: would like to now call to

00:06:28 Speaker 01: order this meeting of August Fourteenth,

00:06:29 Speaker 01: twenty twenty-five. At this point in

00:06:32 Speaker 01: time, as you are able, please

00:06:33 Speaker 01: join us in the standing and

00:06:34 Speaker 01: singing of O Canada. our home

00:06:36 Speaker 01: and native land, true patriot love

00:06:52 Speaker 02: in all of us command. With

00:06:59 Speaker 02: glowing hearts, we see thee rise,

00:07:04 Speaker 03: the. rise, the true North, strong

00:07:08 Speaker 03: and free, from far and wide,

00:07:12 Speaker 03: O Canada, we stand on guard

00:07:17 Speaker 03: for thee. God keep our land,

00:07:22 Speaker 03: glorious and free, O Canada, we

00:07:29 Speaker 03: stand on guard for. thee, O

00:07:36 Speaker 03: Canada! We stand on guard for

00:07:43 Speaker 03: thee. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Would

00:07:57 Speaker 03: you please conduct the roll call?

00:07:59 Speaker 03: Councillor Mackie. Councillor. McKay, Councillor Carleton,

00:08:05 Speaker 03: Councillor Pringle, Councillor McQueen, Councillor

00:08:08 Speaker 03: Nielsen, Councillor Patterson, Councillor Dickert,

00:08:11 Speaker 03: Councillor Kentner, Councillor Kevany, Councillor

00:08:15 Speaker 03: Body, I believe is joining

00:08:19 Speaker 03: us later this morning. Councillor Gregg,

00:08:20 Speaker 04: Councillor Milne, Councillor Dobrine, Gordon Matrasovs,

00:08:23 Speaker 04: Councillor Bourignon, Present, Councillor Eccles,

00:08:27 Speaker 04: Councillor Hutchinson, We. have all

00:08:31 Speaker 04: members in attendance with the exception

00:08:35 Speaker 04: of Councillor Body. Thank you very

00:08:36 Speaker 04: much, Madam Clerk, and that we

00:08:40 Speaker 04: will proceed to the land acknowledgement.

00:08:42 Speaker 04: Let us begin by respectfully acknowledging

00:08:46 Speaker 05: that we are gathering on the

00:08:49 Speaker 05: traditional territory of the Anishinaabek Nation,

00:08:50 Speaker 05: the three the people of the

00:08:53 Speaker 05: three fires known as the Ojibwe,

00:08:55 Speaker 05: Odawa, and Potawatomi Nations, and further

00:08:57 Speaker 05: we give thanks to the Chippewas

00:09:00 Speaker 05: of Saugeen and the Chippewas. Of

00:09:01 Speaker 05: Sogean and the Chippewas of Nawash,

00:09:03 Speaker 05: known collectively as the Sogean Ojibwe

00:09:06 Speaker 05: Nation, the traditional keepers of these

00:09:08 Speaker 05: lands and waters since time immemorial.

00:09:12 Speaker 05: In our south of the county

00:09:13 Speaker 05: lies the traditional territories of the

00:09:15 Speaker 05: six nations of the Grand River

00:09:17 Speaker 05: Haudenosaunee. We are dedicated to honouring

00:09:21 Speaker 05: Indigenous history and culture, and committed

00:09:23 Speaker 05: to moving forward in a spirit

00:09:25 Speaker 05: of truth, reconciliation, and friendship with

00:09:28 Speaker 05: all First Nations, Métis, and Inuit

00:09:31 Speaker 05: people. At this point in time,

00:09:34 Speaker 05: I would like to put out

00:09:35 Speaker 05: a call. If there are any

00:09:36 Speaker 05: declarations of interest, seeing and hearing

00:09:41 Speaker 05: none, we'll move on. It is

00:09:43 Speaker 05: recommended, item six. It's recommended that

00:09:46 Speaker 05: the minutes of the county council

00:09:47 Speaker 05: meeting and the committee, the whole

00:09:49 Speaker 05: meeting, dated July twenty fourth, twenty

00:09:51 Speaker 05: twenty five, and the resolutions contained

00:09:53 Speaker 05: therein be adopted as presented. May

00:09:55 Speaker 05: I ask for a mover? Moved

00:09:56 Speaker 05: by Councillor Greg, seconded by Councillor

00:09:58 Speaker 05: Dobrine. Any discussion? All those in

00:10:03 Speaker 05: favour, and that motion is carried.

00:10:05 Speaker 05: We do not have any closed

00:10:07 Speaker 05: session matters here on this agenda,

00:10:10 Speaker 05: nor reports, so we can move

00:10:11 Speaker 05: to the bylaws. It is recommended

00:10:14 Speaker 05: that bylaws 524625 and 524725 be

00:10:20 Speaker 05: introduced and be taken as read

00:10:21 Speaker 05: a first, second, and third time.

00:10:24 Speaker 05: Finally, passed, signed by the warden

00:10:26 Speaker 05: and the clerk, sealed with the

00:10:27 Speaker 05: seal of the corporation. and engrossed

00:10:29 Speaker 05: in the bylaw book, number one

00:10:31 Speaker 05: fifty two forty six twenty five

00:10:33 Speaker 05: is a bylaw to adopt amendment

00:10:35 Speaker 05: number twenty one of the Grey

00:10:37 Speaker 05: County of Grey Official Plan affecting

00:10:39 Speaker 05: lands described as part of Lot

00:10:41 Speaker 05: seventy five Concession B being Part

00:10:43 Speaker 05: One Reference Plan seventeen R five

00:10:46 Speaker 05: three one Geographic Township of Normanby

00:10:50 Speaker 05: and now in the Municipality of

00:10:51 Speaker 05: West Grey and number two is

00:10:53 Speaker 05: fifty two forty seven twenty five

00:10:55 Speaker 05: a bylaw to confirm all. the

00:10:57 Speaker 05: actions and proceedings of council. May

00:10:59 Speaker 05: I ask for mover? Moved by

00:11:00 Speaker 05: Councillor Dickert, seconded by Councillor Pringle.

00:11:03 Speaker 05: Any discussion? All those in favour?

00:11:06 Speaker 05: And that motion is carried. On

00:11:09 Speaker 05: to news and celebrations. The first

00:11:11 Speaker 05: one that we will highlight will

00:11:13 Speaker 05: be about the 75th anniversary of

00:11:15 Speaker 05: the Soggy Valley Conservation Authority. I

00:11:18 Speaker 05: would like to make a brief

00:11:19 Speaker 05: introduction and then pass the floor

00:11:21 Speaker 05: to Councillor Hutchinson to speak on

00:11:24 Speaker 05: behalf of the MV. On behalf

00:11:28 Speaker 05: of the MVCA, the Soging, sorry,

00:11:32 Speaker 05: the SVCA, too many acronyms in

00:11:36 Speaker 05: in this territory, Soging Valley Conservation

00:11:39 Speaker 05: Authority held a special celebration on

00:11:41 Speaker 05: Tuesday, July twenty ninth, to

00:11:44 Speaker 05: mark its seventy fifth anniversary. There

00:11:46 Speaker 05: were approximately a hundred guests in

00:11:47 Speaker 05: attendance who heard greetings and remarks

00:11:50 Speaker 05: from MP Lobb and MP P

00:11:52 Speaker 05: Thompson, and Mayor Mark Goetz and

00:11:55 Speaker 05: Mayor Milne and Conservation Ontario was

00:11:59 Speaker 05: also there with SVCA and GCA

00:12:02 Speaker 05: and Grey Sauble Conservation Authority. As

00:12:04 Speaker 05: part of the celebrations, there was

00:12:05 Speaker 05: a ribbon cutting and a grand

00:12:08 Speaker 05: opening of the new Formosa Conservation

00:12:13 Speaker 05: Area located beside the SVCA's administration

00:12:16 Speaker 05: office. The area is a 24-acre

00:12:18 Speaker 05: parcel where visitors can hike, snowshoe,

00:12:20 Speaker 05: and walk all year round, and

00:12:21 Speaker 05: will serve as a great

00:12:23 Speaker 05: addition to the conservation. authority. So,

00:12:27 Speaker 05: Councillor Hutchinson, that sounds very, very

00:12:28 Speaker 05: exciting indeed. And would you like

00:12:32 Speaker 05: to provide any further comments? Well,

00:12:34 Speaker 05: thank you very much, and good

00:12:36 Speaker 05: morning, Ward. I think you kind

00:12:37 Speaker 05: of took everything I was going

00:12:40 Speaker 05: to speak to. I'm going through

00:12:41 Speaker 05: and check, check, check. But, anyways,

00:12:44 Speaker 05: we do want to thank you

00:12:45 Speaker 06: for attending. A couple of people

00:12:49 Speaker 06: did have, I will say, representation

00:12:50 Speaker 06: from across the board, all the

00:12:53 Speaker 06: municipalities that are in the. All

00:12:56 Speaker 06: the ministers' deputies that are in

00:12:59 Speaker 06: the watershed. In addition to that,

00:13:01 Speaker 06: we did have MPP. We had

00:13:05 Speaker 06: MPP Lott there, yes, and MPP

00:13:08 Speaker 06: Lisa Thompson was there. We had

00:13:10 Speaker 06: some Vickers was not there, sir.

00:13:10 Speaker 06: No, no, sir. We had you

00:13:12 Speaker 06: know some past chairs were there,

00:13:14 Speaker 06: and it was a lot of

00:13:15 Speaker 06: good speeches. Again, a hundred guests.

00:13:18 Speaker 06: We did do that ribbon cut,

00:13:20 Speaker 06: which was nice to see. It

00:13:21 Speaker 06: just another another ribbon cut for

00:13:23 Speaker 06: another extended. Ribbon cut for another

00:13:24 Speaker 06: extension of conservation. I don't know

00:13:25 Speaker 06: what is that—a kilometre in there,

00:13:27 Speaker 06: the trail in there. Do you

00:13:30 Speaker 06: remember about about a kilometre of

00:13:31 Speaker 06: new trails opened up as well?

00:13:32 Speaker 06: I didn't walk them because it

00:13:34 Speaker 06: was subject to a little bit

00:13:36 Speaker 06: of an injury, so I don't

00:13:39 Speaker 06: know anybody else to took it

00:13:41 Speaker 06: on. But it was—it's pretty good

00:13:42 Speaker 06: to see that open as well.

00:13:45 Speaker 06: Other than that, yes. Dog walk.

00:13:46 Speaker 06: I think you covered everything though,

00:13:47 Speaker 06: and we do want to—we do

00:13:49 Speaker 06: appreciate you and your attendance. Thank

00:13:53 Speaker 06: you. I don't have anything else

00:13:54 Speaker 06: to say. I guess they're looking

00:13:56 Speaker 06: forward to a. To say, I

00:13:57 Speaker 06: guess they're looking forward to the

00:13:59 Speaker 01: next 75 years. Believe it or

00:14:09 Speaker 07: not. Thanks. Okay, thank you very

00:14:11 Speaker 07: much. And with that, we'll move

00:14:13 Speaker 07: on to a funding announcement. I'd

00:14:15 Speaker 07: like to call up Director Nab

00:14:16 Speaker 07: to come speak to that. Good

00:14:18 Speaker 08: morning, Warden and County Council. I'm

00:14:24 Speaker 08: pleased to report our community paramedic

00:14:26 Speaker 08: programme is now fully funded through

00:14:27 Speaker 08: the Ministry of Health and Ministry

00:14:29 Speaker 08: of Long Term. Care. The Ministry

00:14:31 Speaker 08: of Health funding has been old.

00:14:33 Speaker 08: The Ministry of Health funding has

00:14:35 Speaker 08: already been considered permanent, and we're

00:14:36 Speaker 08: pleased to share that the Ministry

00:14:37 Speaker 08: of Long Term Care has now

00:14:40 Speaker 08: confirmed its funding is permanent as

00:14:42 Speaker 08: well. In addition, annual funding

00:14:44 Speaker 08: from the Ministry of Long Term

00:14:46 Speaker 08: Care is increased from one million

00:14:48 Speaker 08: to one point five million. This

00:14:50 Speaker 08: combined support ensures the Grey County

00:14:52 Speaker 08: Community Paramedic Programme is one hundred

00:14:54 Speaker 08: percent provincially funded. allowing us to

00:14:55 Speaker 08: continue to deliver high quality care

00:14:56 Speaker 08: to older adults and the most

00:14:59 Speaker 08: vulnerable members of our community. Also,

00:15:01 Speaker 08: want to say say a special

00:15:02 Speaker 08: thank you from all of us

00:15:04 Speaker 08: to County Council for their strong

00:15:05 Speaker 08: support over the last ten years.

00:15:09 Speaker 08: Your commitment ensured that any shortfalls

00:15:11 Speaker 08: recovered, allowing the programme to continue

00:15:12 Speaker 08: and grow. So, thank you. And

00:15:14 Speaker 08: it's been a really great day

00:15:16 Speaker 08: to say that now it's one

00:15:17 Speaker 08: hundred percent funded.

00:15:26 Speaker 08: Excellent.

00:15:29 Speaker 08: Thank you

00:15:36 Speaker 08: very much for that. Great way

00:15:39 Speaker 08: to start the day. and with

00:15:41 Speaker 08: that, I would like to call

00:15:43 Speaker 08: up Director Shaw to come and

00:15:45 Speaker 08: make an announcement about early on.

00:15:47 Speaker 08: There we go. Good morning, Council.

00:15:50 Speaker 08: I just wanted to let everyone

00:15:52 Speaker 09: know that there are some new.

00:15:56 Speaker 09: childcare spaces and a new early

00:15:58 Speaker 09: on centre in Markdale. The Markdale

00:16:01 Speaker 09: Kids and Us operates the new

00:16:04 Speaker 09: Beavercrest Community School and now includes

00:16:06 Speaker 09: a four-hour after-school programme. The early

00:16:08 Speaker 09: on Markdale site is also located

00:16:10 Speaker 09: at this at this location too,

00:16:11 Speaker 09: so more convenience. The childcare centre

00:16:13 Speaker 09: provides inclusive programmemes for children aged

00:16:21 Speaker 09: 13 months to school age in

00:16:23 Speaker 09: a new inviting space. And there

00:16:24 Speaker 09: was a grand opening. that was

00:16:25 Speaker 09: held on August sixth. And thank

00:16:26 Speaker 09: you for those of you that

00:16:28 Speaker 09: attended. Very exciting for the Markdale

00:16:30 Speaker 09: community and beyond as well. It

00:16:31 Speaker 09: was wonderful to be there, and

00:16:34 Speaker 09: I must say it was wonderful

00:16:35 Speaker 09: to bring my granddaughter along too,

00:16:37 Speaker 09: just to test it out and

00:16:38 Speaker 09: sample it. Everything looks great. You're

00:16:42 Speaker 10: really going to enjoy that extra

00:16:45 Speaker 10: facility. And with that, I'll open

00:16:47 Speaker 10: it to the county floor. If

00:16:48 Speaker 10: there are other announcements, we'll begin

00:16:50 Speaker 10: with Councillor Nielsen. I'm going to

00:16:51 Speaker 10: take a step here from Deputy

00:16:53 Speaker 10: Ward Milne. Stand up. Many of

00:16:56 Speaker 10: you may know that a couple

00:16:57 Speaker 10: weeks ago we did have a

00:16:59 Speaker 10: minor fire at the Markdale Arena,

00:17:01 Speaker 10: so it has caused some disruptions.

00:17:03 Speaker 10: But we all know the Agricultural

00:17:04 Speaker 10: Society will never be put down

00:17:06 Speaker 10: by a fire, so the Markdale

00:17:08 Speaker 10: Fall Fair will continue to happen

00:17:10 Speaker 10: at the King Edward Park grounds.

00:17:11 Speaker 10: Everything will be held outside. We're

00:17:14 Speaker 10: going to be setting up tents,

00:17:16 Speaker 10: utilising the library space that's there.

00:17:17 Speaker 10: So Saturday, August twenty third, Friday

00:17:18 Speaker 10: night is the ambassador programme on

00:17:20 Speaker 10: the twenty second. Please, anybody can

00:17:23 Speaker 10: come out, celebrate with us because

00:17:27 Speaker 10: even though a fire happened, we're

00:17:30 Speaker 10: going to keep on going with

00:17:33 Speaker 10: the fall fair, the one hundred

00:17:36 Speaker 10: and sixty seventh Markdale Agricultural Fall

00:17:37 Speaker 10: Fair. Thanks very much. Excellent. Good

00:17:39 Speaker 11: to hear that. And we'll go

00:17:42 Speaker 11: to Deputy Warden Mill next. Thank

00:17:44 Speaker 11: you, Warden. In spite of that.

00:17:48 Speaker 11: event going on, there'll be some

00:17:51 Speaker 11: high flying in Holtville on the

00:17:54 Speaker 11: same weekend, August twenty third, twenty

00:17:55 Speaker 11: fourth, the Saturday and Sunday. The

00:17:56 Speaker 11: Holtville Kite Festival will be in

00:17:59 Speaker 11: in production. I'm not sure exactly,

00:18:02 Speaker 11: but it's in Holtville somewhere. If

00:18:03 Speaker 11: you get to Holtville, you'll see

00:18:05 Speaker 11: it. Just look on the horizon,

00:18:07 Speaker 11: you'll see the. South. Okay, south

00:18:11 Speaker 11: of Holtville. So anyway, you're all

00:18:12 Speaker 11: welcome to attend, and it's a

00:18:13 Speaker 11: really cool event. Ten and it's

00:18:16 Speaker 11: a really cool event. It's not

00:18:17 Speaker 11: just you know the traditional old

00:18:22 Speaker 11: triangle. They got huge, big kites.

00:18:27 Speaker 11: I don't know how they get

00:18:30 Speaker 11: them up in the air, but

00:18:31 Speaker 11: it's it's good. It's a really

00:18:34 Speaker 11: cool event. So you're all invited.

00:18:36 Speaker 11: Come on down. Okay, thank you,

00:18:37 Speaker 11: Councillor Body. Thank you very much.

00:18:39 Speaker 11: As everyone knows, Canada has two

00:18:41 Speaker 11: official sports. Its summer official sport

00:18:42 Speaker 12: is lacrosse and. hockey, and in

00:18:47 Speaker 12: the winter, we are so blessed

00:18:49 Speaker 12: to have a really long history

00:18:51 Speaker 12: of both sports in Owen Sound.

00:18:54 Speaker 12: But this year, the lacrosse teams

00:18:55 Speaker 12: got pushed out of the arena

00:18:58 Speaker 12: because of very successful so far

00:18:59 Speaker 12: remaking of the ice and replacing

00:19:02 Speaker 12: of the floor, which is going

00:19:05 Speaker 12: extremely well at the arena. So

00:19:07 Speaker 12: we want to thank West Grey

00:19:09 Speaker 12: for hosting our junior lacrosse team

00:19:12 Speaker 12: this summer. They played down in

00:19:14 Speaker 12: the arena in Durham. they made

00:19:16 Speaker 12: the playoffs, and thank Meaford for

00:19:19 Speaker 12: hosting our senior and major teams,

00:19:21 Speaker 12: both of which made the playoffs.

00:19:23 Speaker 12: Major is the best lacrosse in

00:19:26 Speaker 12: the world. It's like it's like

00:19:27 Speaker 12: summertime for NHL. The guys that

00:19:30 Speaker 12: are playing pro in the states

00:19:32 Speaker 12: in the winter are playing major

00:19:34 Speaker 12: lacrosse in the summer to win

00:19:37 Speaker 12: the Man Cup. On Sound had

00:19:38 Speaker 12: a very young major team that

00:19:41 Speaker 12: did extremely well, made the playoffs.

00:19:44 Speaker 12: and weren't expected to, and then

00:19:46 Speaker 12: competed very well with Six Nations,

00:19:47 Speaker 12: which is built and financed to

00:19:50 Speaker 12: win the Memorial Cup every year.

00:19:54 Speaker 12: Not Memorial, sorry, not Minto Man

00:19:57 Speaker 12: Cup. Thank you, Minto's Junior A.

00:19:59 Speaker 12: So, thanks to both West Grey

00:20:01 Speaker 12: and Beechford for hosting our teams

00:20:02 Speaker 12: and providing them a home in

00:20:05 Speaker 12: in Grey County. Thanks. Thank you,

00:20:06 Speaker 12: and we'll go to Councillor Kieveny.

00:20:10 Speaker 12: Good morning, Madam. Warden and County

00:20:12 Speaker 12: Council, and thank you, Councillor Body.

00:20:13 Speaker 12: It was our pleasure to host

00:20:15 Speaker 12: the eucross teams, but I just

00:20:16 Speaker 12: wanted to share that we're one

00:20:18 Speaker 12: up on Markdale. It's our 168th

00:20:20 Speaker 12: fall fair coming up on August

00:20:22 Speaker 12: the 30th. Can't believe that we're

00:20:24 Speaker 12: reaching the end of summer. The

00:20:25 Speaker 12: heart of the fair, of course,

00:20:27 Speaker 12: is the livestock shows, beef and

00:20:31 Speaker 12: dairy, and the sheep show is

00:20:33 Speaker 12: always a special one. Saddle horse

00:20:34 Speaker 12: shows and the junior calf

00:20:36 Speaker 12: club is always a big hit,

00:20:38 Speaker 12: and there's. the curling club will

00:20:40 Speaker 12: be full of home crafts and

00:20:42 Speaker 12: gardening, all the big carrots and

00:20:43 Speaker 12: zucchini and all that sort of

00:20:47 Speaker 12: thing. There'll be family-friendly activities and

00:20:49 Speaker 12: children's events, and antique cars will

00:20:54 Speaker 12: be on display. So that's all

00:20:55 Speaker 13: taking place at our curling club

00:20:58 Speaker 13: on August the 30th with a

00:21:01 Speaker 13: 9 a.m. start. Thank you. Okay.

00:21:04 Speaker 13: Thank you very much, and we'll

00:21:07 Speaker 13: go to Councillor Carleton. Thank you,

00:21:09 Speaker 13: Warden Matrisselson. Good morning. Thank you,

00:21:12 Speaker 13: Lord Mayor Trussell, and Good Morning,

00:21:16 Speaker 13: County Council. I was privileged to

00:21:18 Speaker 13: attend yesterday a Women's Institute rally

00:21:20 Speaker 13: hosted by the Campbell Women's Institute,

00:21:24 Speaker 13: with four different Women's Institutes in

00:21:28 Speaker 13: being there for the day. MP

00:21:29 Speaker 13: Alex Rep was there as well,

00:21:32 Speaker 13: and Campbell Women's Institute celebrates 128

00:21:33 Speaker 13: years this year. They are the

00:21:34 Speaker 13: longest surviving Women's Institute, so it

00:21:37 Speaker 13: was a pleasure to be there.

00:21:40 Speaker 13: Excellent, and we'll go to Councillor

00:21:43 Speaker 13: McQueen. Thank you, Madam Warden, and

00:21:46 Speaker 13: County Council. Maybe back to me

00:21:48 Speaker 13: for maybe they didn't count the

00:21:49 Speaker 13: first year for the bear, so

00:21:51 Speaker 14: maybe it'll equal. Moving on, and

00:21:54 Speaker 14: I just wanted to say that

00:21:56 Speaker 14: we, as Grey Highlands Ram Rodeo,

00:21:57 Speaker 14: has completed five years of the

00:22:00 Speaker 14: the event. In total, amount that

00:22:01 Speaker 14: was raised was one hundred ninety

00:22:03 Speaker 14: six thousand eight hundred dollars, and

00:22:04 Speaker 14: has gone into the Mark Dill

00:22:06 Speaker 14: Hospital Foundation, which is more so

00:22:08 Speaker 14: more than what we committed to

00:22:10 Speaker 14: was 180. So I want to

00:22:12 Speaker 14: thank the sponsors. I want to

00:22:15 Speaker 14: thank the volunteers. I want to

00:22:16 Speaker 14: thank even the people that you

00:22:21 Speaker 15: know who came out and our

00:22:28 Speaker 15: staff who made it an event

00:22:30 Speaker 16: that was successful. So again, a

00:22:35 Speaker 16: big thank you for that, and

00:22:37 Speaker 16: it helps support. And council also

00:22:40 Speaker 16: is committed to have it host

00:22:46 Speaker 16: a grand rodeo again for next

00:22:48 Speaker 16: year. Thank you, and to Councillor

00:22:52 Speaker 16: Dobrin. Thank you, Warden. Good morning,

00:22:56 Speaker 16: County Council guests. I wanted to

00:22:58 Speaker 16: just thank the Warden for coming

00:23:00 Speaker 16: to the Soggy Valley Children's Safety

00:23:02 Speaker 16: Village last weekend for its barn-raising

00:23:05 Speaker 16: ribbon-cutting. The Gray Federation and Bruce

00:23:08 Speaker 16: Federation of Agriculture. has been fundraising

00:23:10 Speaker 16: to expand the agricultural education and

00:23:12 Speaker 16: safety section of the Children's Safety

00:23:14 Speaker 16: Village. If you haven't been to

00:23:17 Speaker 16: the village, it really is a

00:23:20 Speaker 16: remarkable place for young and and

00:23:24 Speaker 16: the young at heart. Although we

00:23:27 Speaker 16: can't get into the little carts,

00:23:29 Speaker 16: so I I did want to

00:23:32 Speaker 16: mention a big thank you that

00:23:35 Speaker 16: was extended by the village, the

00:23:37 Speaker 16: the Children's Safety Village, to Gray

00:23:40 Speaker 16: County for. its continued support of

00:23:43 Speaker 16: a multi-year sponsorship. So it is

00:23:45 Speaker 16: every time I go to this

00:23:48 Speaker 16: village, it change. It is there's

00:23:53 Speaker 17: something new and something exciting. It's

00:23:56 Speaker 18: a great learning opportunity for our

00:24:02 Speaker 18: youth. It is free for youth

00:24:03 Speaker 18: to attend. The schools need only

00:24:06 Speaker 18: support it through transportation, and they

00:24:08 Speaker 18: often get sponsorship. So thank you,

00:24:09 Speaker 18: County. Council, for its continued support

00:24:11 Speaker 18: of the village. Okay, thank you.

00:24:12 Speaker 18: And looking around the horseshoe, we'll

00:24:14 Speaker 18: go to Councillor Hutchinson. Yeah, thank

00:24:15 Speaker 19: you, and good morning again. I

00:24:19 Speaker 19: just want to follow up with

00:24:22 Speaker 19: Councillor Mill regarding the kite fest.

00:24:25 Speaker 19: You can go to the South

00:24:28 Speaker 19: Bay Chamber of Commerce website to

00:24:30 Speaker 19: get the all the mapping and

00:24:33 Speaker 19: details are on there. Also, I'm

00:24:35 Speaker 19: There. Also, I want to announce

00:24:36 Speaker 19: that Saturday, September 27th, the Durham

00:24:37 Speaker 19: Hospital Foundation, in we're chasing a

00:24:38 Speaker 19: 1.2 million dollar asset enhancement to

00:24:40 Speaker 19: the Durham Hospital. It's a new

00:24:41 Speaker 19: X-ray suite. We're holding a ACDC

00:24:46 Speaker 19: tribute band called Thunderstruck. So tickets

00:24:49 Speaker 20: are available in your public yard.

00:24:52 Speaker 20: Where you go to the Durham

00:24:55 Speaker 20: Hospital Foundation and get a hold

00:24:56 Speaker 20: of me. But we have tickets

00:24:58 Speaker 20: for sale for that. Then all

00:25:00 Speaker 20: proceeds are for the the new

00:25:02 Speaker 20: X-ray suite in the hospital. Thank

00:25:04 Speaker 20: you. Okay, thank you, and I

00:25:07 Speaker 20: think. Okay, well, I will just

00:25:09 Speaker 20: conclude with the youngest fair, which

00:25:11 Speaker 20: is only 153 years. So we

00:25:13 Speaker 20: have a lot of catching up

00:25:14 Speaker 20: to do with you. But the

00:25:15 Speaker 20: Beaver Valley Fall Fair will come

00:25:18 Speaker 20: on September 5th and 6th. Let

00:25:19 Speaker 20: me see the the Friday and

00:25:21 Speaker 20: and Saturday of that weekend, September

00:25:23 Speaker 20: 5th and 6th, I believe it

00:25:25 Speaker 20: is. And so hopefully that doesn't

00:25:27 Speaker 20: conflict. Everybody can attend all of

00:25:29 Speaker 20: them if they like, and we

00:25:31 Speaker 20: will be having that at our

00:25:32 Speaker 20: Beaver Valley Community Centre in in

00:25:37 Speaker 20: Thornbury, and of course with the

00:25:40 Speaker 20: Morro Park right next door. It's

00:25:42 Speaker 21: a great indoor/outdoor, rain or shine

00:25:45 Speaker 21: activity. We'll have lots going there,

00:25:47 Speaker 21: and expect lots of good entries

00:25:50 Speaker 21: coming into all the creative categories.

00:25:52 Speaker 21: Okay, so with that, then oh,

00:25:54 Speaker 21: well, there is one more. Then

00:25:55 Speaker 21: Councillor Eccles, I just couldn't let

00:25:57 Speaker 21: it pass the Durham Fall Fair.

00:25:58 Speaker 21: is on August twenty ninth to

00:26:00 Speaker 21: thirty first. In doing a lot

00:26:03 Speaker 21: of research, we have found that

00:26:06 Speaker 21: at least the first five years

00:26:08 Speaker 21: of the Durham Fall Fair were

00:26:11 Speaker 21: not recorded. So this is the

00:26:12 Speaker 21: one hundred and sixty fifth that's

00:26:17 Speaker 21: recorded. So we're usually about one

00:26:20 Speaker 21: hundred and seventy. So yes, we're

00:26:23 Speaker 21: taking the gold medal. We are

00:26:25 Speaker 21: the number one. Durham Fall Fair

00:26:31 Speaker 21: is on the August long weekend

00:26:33 Speaker 21: or September first long weekend. Thank

00:26:37 Speaker 21: you very. much. Very similar to

00:26:39 Speaker 21: a lot of other with the

00:26:44 Speaker 22: horse show in-house activities and whatnot,

00:26:47 Speaker 22: but the Friday, Saturday, and Sunday

00:26:49 Speaker 22: activities there. So come to what

00:26:53 Speaker 22: we understand to be the longest-running

00:26:55 Speaker 22: fall fair in Gray County. Oh,

00:26:58 Speaker 22: okay. And now I see the

00:27:02 Speaker 22: deputy warden has raised his hand.

00:27:06 Speaker 22: Thank you, Madam Warden. I think

00:27:08 Speaker 22: it's fair to say that Dundalk

00:27:09 Speaker 23: is 168 years, but the first

00:27:13 Speaker 23: 10 years of that fair were

00:27:15 Speaker 23: not recorded. So, the weekend after

00:27:16 Speaker 23: Labour Day, come on down to

00:27:19 Speaker 23: Dundalk and enjoy the fair. It's

00:27:20 Speaker 23: been there a long time—a fairly

00:27:22 Speaker 23: long time. Thank you very much,

00:27:24 Speaker 23: and I suppose if we were

00:27:26 Speaker 23: able to speak to Clark the

00:27:28 Speaker 23: pig from Clarksville, he he might

00:27:29 Speaker 23: challenge how early things were starting

00:27:30 Speaker 23: ahead of the Beaver Valley Fall

00:27:34 Speaker 23: Fair over in what was Collingwood

00:27:36 Speaker 23: Township at the time. So what

00:27:37 Speaker 23: I can say is, wow, look

00:27:39 Speaker 23: at the impact that agriculture has

00:27:41 Speaker 23: had on the tradition and the

00:27:44 Speaker 23: years and the decades and hundreds

00:27:46 Speaker 23: of years that makes up the

00:27:47 Speaker 23: very fabric of who we are

00:27:49 Speaker 24: in Gray County. So with that.

00:28:02 Speaker 24: I will call a motion to

00:28:03 Speaker 24: adjourn. May I have a mover?

00:28:05 Speaker 25: Thank you, Councillor Debrine. Seconded by

00:28:07 Speaker 25: Councillor Kevany. Any discussion? All those

00:28:08 Speaker 25: in favour? And that motion is

00:28:10 Speaker 25: carried. We will now carry on.

00:28:13 Speaker 25: Give a few moments to switch

00:28:15 Speaker 25: over the technology before our committee

00:28:19 Speaker 25: of the whole. Okay. Thank you

00:28:22 Speaker 25: very much. I'd now like to

00:28:24 Speaker 25: call to order this committee. The

00:28:26 Speaker 25: whole meeting of August Fourteenth, Twenty

00:28:27 Speaker 25: Twenty Five. At this point in

00:28:29 Speaker 25: time, I'll ask if there are

00:28:30 Speaker 25: any declarations of interest. Seeing none,

00:28:33 Speaker 25: we will move through business arising

00:28:36 Speaker 25: from the minutes. Seeing nothing, we

00:28:38 Speaker 25: will go. Then we have we

00:28:40 Speaker 26: have three different delegations under Section

4 Delegations

Ms. Loft of Loft Planning Inc. presented on behalf of Beacom Incorporated to request an Official Plan Amendment redesignating rural lands for an event venue with up to 95 guests. The proposal includes wellness retreats and gatherings operating Friday through Sunday until 11:30 PM, utilising existing structures like a hall and pool within a 30-metre wetland setback. A resident opposed the development citing noise pollution, traffic issues, ecological damage, and non-compliance with rural density standards.

00:28:52 Speaker 26: Four, so we're going to each

00:28:53 Speaker 26: one will be shared virtually. So

00:28:56 Speaker 26: we will go to the screen.

00:28:59 Speaker 26: To first of all, we'll call

00:29:01 Speaker 26: upon Ms. Cassidy. Call upon Miss

00:29:02 Speaker 26: Cassidy, who will be presenting with

00:29:04 Speaker 25: regards to BECOM, and I believe

00:29:06 Speaker 25: the clerks will bring her online

00:29:08 Speaker 25: so we can all have a

00:29:08 Speaker 25: look on our screens. Sorry. Good

00:29:10 Speaker 25: morning. I'm just going to get

00:29:12 Speaker 25: my video up here. Good morning,

00:29:14 Speaker 25: Miss Cassidy. Good morning, everyone. can

00:29:17 Speaker 25: hear and see me. Yes, we

00:29:18 Speaker 25: can. And as you know, you

00:29:19 Speaker 25: have ten minutes to make your

00:29:22 Speaker 25: deputation. At that point, at your

00:29:24 Speaker 25: conclusion, I'll look around the room

00:29:25 Speaker 25: and see if we have any

00:29:30 Speaker 25: questions for you. So you have

00:29:32 Speaker 25: the floor. Okay. Thank you. Good

00:29:33 Speaker 25: morning. Good morning, Madam Warden, and

00:29:35 Speaker 25: respected members of Council. Thank you

00:29:37 Speaker 25: for taking the time to read

00:29:39 Speaker 25: and consider all the feedback from

00:29:40 Speaker 25: surrounding neighbours. Those who will have

00:29:43 Speaker 27: to live with this development, if

00:29:46 Speaker 27: allowed to proceed, and those who

00:29:47 Speaker 27: clearly oppose. I'm here speaking not

00:29:49 Speaker 27: only on my behalf and my

00:29:51 Speaker 27: family's behalf, but on theirs as

00:29:54 Speaker 27: well. I hope you have all

00:29:56 Speaker 27: had a chance to read and

00:29:57 Speaker 27: review the many letters submitted that

00:29:59 Speaker 27: were not included in the staff

00:30:01 Speaker 27: report. You have read many concerns

00:30:04 Speaker 27: about noise, traffic, environment, and concerns

00:30:07 Speaker 27: of who will be able to

00:30:09 Speaker 27: police these events and ensure they

00:30:13 Speaker 27: are operating as stated, especially late

00:30:15 Speaker 27: into the evening. What this comes

00:30:18 Speaker 27: down to, with respect to this

00:30:21 Speaker 27: meeting. is whether it is appropriate

00:30:23 Speaker 27: place for this type of growth

00:30:28 Speaker 27: and development under the Planning Act.

00:30:29 Speaker 27: Based on everything you have

00:30:31 Speaker 27: heard and read, having a 365

00:30:34 Speaker 27: day event venue, essentially mainly for

00:30:36 Speaker 27: weddings, and amplified music, and extended

00:30:38 Speaker 27: noise times right next door to

00:30:40 Speaker 27: residential houses makes this area entirely

00:30:42 Speaker 27: not the right place. The municipality

00:30:45 Speaker 27: of Grey Highlands just voted against

00:30:46 Speaker 27: this on June 18th. To summarise,

00:30:48 Speaker 27: this site is not surrounded by

00:30:52 Speaker 27: farmland. It's surrounded by residential properties.

00:30:55 Speaker 27: People live here and conduct their

00:30:57 Speaker 27: lives here. A simple Google search

00:30:59 Speaker 27: turns up eight homes within a

00:31:01 Speaker 27: few hundred metres of this proposed

00:31:03 Speaker 27: site, and many more within a

00:31:05 Speaker 27: kilometre. Please consider if any of

00:31:07 Speaker 27: you would be okay with having

00:31:10 Speaker 27: this right beside your home, and

00:31:12 Speaker 27: please vote accordingly. Noise studies. Noise

00:31:14 Speaker 27: studies are incomplete. The tests completed

00:31:16 Speaker 27: are simulated and not an actual

00:31:18 Speaker 27: representation of how noise will travel.

00:31:20 Speaker 27: To do this, the company that

00:31:24 Speaker 27: did the study would have had

00:31:26 Speaker 27: to have set up smart sorry

00:31:28 Speaker 27: smart microphones to monitor the sound

00:31:32 Speaker 27: on neighbouring properties. To my knowledge,

00:31:34 Speaker 27: this was not done. I can

00:31:36 Speaker 27: say this with confidence because my

00:31:40 Speaker 27: husband is has a sound engineering

00:31:43 Speaker 27: degree, and we own an audio

00:31:46 Speaker 27: production company and often have to

00:31:48 Speaker 27: monitor sound levels at events. A

00:31:50 Speaker 27: blanket change to the noise bylaw

00:31:51 Speaker 27: extended to these times is ridiculous

00:31:56 Speaker 27: and unfair to surrounding residents, and

00:32:00 Speaker 27: seems to be a contradiction to

00:32:02 Speaker 27: the eco-friendly venue that is being

00:32:05 Speaker 27: proposed. The current bylaw states that

00:32:06 Speaker 27: the loud operation of vehicle, home

00:32:09 Speaker 27: radio, stereo, or alike, at a

00:32:12 Speaker 27: level to disturb others, and can

00:32:13 Speaker 27: be heard at a loud level

00:32:15 Speaker 27: more. than fifty feet from the

00:32:16 Speaker 27: source is prohibited. There would be

00:32:19 Speaker 27: very limited employment opportunities for local

00:32:22 Speaker 27: businesses, as companies hired for events

00:32:25 Speaker 27: can be from anywhere, and will

00:32:28 Speaker 27: likely be someone that the event

00:32:30 Speaker 27: host knows and trusts. Tourism will

00:32:33 Speaker 27: not be bolstered as attendees will

00:32:37 Speaker 27: come to site, make noise and

00:32:39 Speaker 27: pollution, and leave to go to

00:32:42 Speaker 27: their homes outside of the area.

00:32:43 Speaker 27: Increased tourism. should not be considered

00:32:46 Speaker 27: in major residential areas. It should

00:32:48 Speaker 27: be directed towards city centres. There

00:32:51 Speaker 27: are two destination wedding venues within

00:32:53 Speaker 27: the immediate area, and additional ten

00:32:56 Speaker 27: within a twenty-kilometre drive of those

00:32:58 Speaker 27: seeking a natural-inspired event venue. There

00:33:00 Speaker 27: are also many Airbnb's as well

00:33:04 Speaker 27: as the Gandhi glamping across the

00:33:05 Speaker 27: street for those who are looking

00:33:08 Speaker 27: for a quiet retreat. Limiting size

00:33:12 Speaker 27: and scale is. smoke and

00:33:15 Speaker 27: mirrors. Fifty people can make just

00:33:17 Speaker 27: as much noise as ninety-five, and

00:33:19 Speaker 27: twelve occasions per year with ninety-five

00:33:21 Speaker 27: people is every weekend in the

00:33:25 Speaker 27: summer, when this would be most

00:33:27 Speaker 27: desirable. The additional trails that guests

00:33:29 Speaker 27: would be permitted to access is

00:33:31 Speaker 27: very concerning, as there's high potential

00:33:34 Speaker 27: for ecological damage under little supervision.

00:33:36 Speaker 27: Trespassing to neighbour properties, despite signage,

00:33:41 Speaker 27: will be inevitable. noting there is

00:33:45 Speaker 27: hunting in this area, and guests

00:33:48 Speaker 27: would likely be unaware of those

00:33:50 Speaker 27: rules and regulations. On-site porta potties,

00:33:53 Speaker 27: being considered for three years, should

00:33:56 Speaker 27: not be an option, and it

00:33:59 Speaker 27: is a red flag given the

00:34:02 Speaker 27: owner's history of non-compliance and unwillingness

00:34:05 Speaker 27: to consider the temporary use bylaw.

00:34:08 Speaker 27: As noted, the subject application falls

00:34:11 Speaker 27: outside of OPA twenty-three. Paul. Twenty-three

00:34:14 Speaker 27: policy. Sorry, the OPA twenty-three policy,

00:34:20 Speaker 27: and should not be considered on

00:34:22 Speaker 27: that basis. Given the amplified noise

00:34:25 Speaker 27: to be endured for extended hours,

00:34:29 Speaker 27: exceeding the maximum area, even when

00:34:32 Speaker 27: including trails, the number of guests

00:34:35 Speaker 27: allowed all year all year long,

00:34:38 Speaker 27: in a very residential area, the

00:34:42 Speaker 27: subject application is not small or

00:34:44 Speaker 27: recreational, and is no comparison. to

00:34:48 Speaker 27: OPA 23. Regarding OPA 22, the

00:34:50 Speaker 27: application states there will be 95

00:34:52 Speaker 27: people per event on a 40.76

00:34:57 Speaker 27: hectare property. This is misleading, as

00:35:00 Speaker 27: only 1.05 hectares are actually proposed

00:35:03 Speaker 27: for use. The remainder consists of

00:35:06 Speaker 27: significant woodland and wetland that will

00:35:09 Speaker 27: remain largely unused. This results in

00:35:12 Speaker 27: the actual density of over nine

00:35:15 Speaker 27: thousand and forty people per kilometre

00:35:17 Speaker 27: squared, which far exceeds the rural

00:35:19 Speaker 27: density standard of four hundred people

00:35:22 Speaker 27: per kilometre squared. Such density contradicts

00:35:24 Speaker 27: the definition of resource-based recreational use,

00:35:25 Speaker 27: and effectively reclassifies this operation as

00:35:28 Speaker 27: a commercial property. Finally, I'd like

00:35:29 Speaker 27: to reiterate: this is a rural

00:35:32 Speaker 27: residential area with many. surrounding residents

00:35:34 Speaker 27: that consists of young families, retired

00:35:37 Speaker 27: couples, and vacation homes. It is

00:35:38 Speaker 27: not the appropriate place for a

00:35:42 Speaker 27: commercial venue of this size. I'd

00:35:45 Speaker 27: like to take just another moment

00:35:46 Speaker 27: of your time to show you

00:35:50 Speaker 27: how close in proximity this proposed

00:35:54 Speaker 27: development is to my home as

00:35:56 Speaker 27: well as my neighbours. I'm currently

00:35:58 Speaker 27: standing on my neighbour's property and

00:36:00 Speaker 27: have been given permission from the

00:36:02 Speaker 27: vanrees, and I'm with well within

00:36:13 Speaker 27: their. property line, just behind this

00:36:18 Speaker 27: fence, just behind this fence behind

00:36:21 Speaker 27: me, is one of the proposed

00:36:22 Speaker 27: parking lots, cabin, tent, and cabin

00:36:24 Speaker 27: and tent camping areas. It is

00:36:26 Speaker 27: in very close proximity to my

00:36:30 Speaker 27: neighbour's front door, into our house,

00:36:35 Speaker 27: and our bedroom window, which is

00:36:41 Speaker 27: within 200 feet to the west

00:36:44 Speaker 27: behind the Van Rie residence. So

00:36:47 Speaker 27: this site currently has some yurts

00:36:49 Speaker 27: and a bathhouse that are already

00:36:51 Speaker 27: constructed. I'd like to just mention

00:36:54 Speaker 27: once more that I am within

00:36:55 Speaker 27: the property line, and I am

00:36:58 Speaker 27: not trespassing. There is a yurt

00:37:00 Speaker 27: just right here, another bathhouse here,

00:37:04 Speaker 27: and a yurt. platform just here.

00:37:06 Speaker 27: This is my neighbour's front door,

00:37:07 Speaker 27: and just beyond that, as I

00:37:09 Speaker 27: mentioned, to the west is my

00:37:12 Speaker 27: home, my husband's home, and my

00:37:14 Speaker 27: two-year-old son's home. Our bedroom window

00:37:20 Speaker 27: also faces to the east towards

00:37:22 Speaker 27: the proposed development, which is quite

00:37:24 Speaker 27: concerning to us in regards to

00:37:25 Speaker 27: the noise bylaw extension that's being

00:37:26 Speaker 28: requested. I'd like to thank you

00:37:31 Speaker 28: all for taking the time to

00:37:32 Speaker 28: listen to the concerns of this

00:37:33 Speaker 28: quiet rural residential neighbourhood, and I

00:37:36 Speaker 28: ask you to vote against this

00:37:38 Speaker 28: proposed development. Okay, thank you very

00:37:39 Speaker 28: much, Miss Cassidy. I'll just give

00:37:43 Speaker 28: you a moment to find your

00:37:48 Speaker 28: spot, and I'll look around the

00:37:50 Speaker 28: room to see if there are

00:37:53 Speaker 28: any questions. And I am not

00:37:55 Speaker 28: seeing any online or here in

00:37:56 Speaker 28: the chamber. So, thank you again

00:37:57 Speaker 28: for presenting your material for us

00:37:59 Speaker 28: this morning for our consideration. Thank

00:38:01 Speaker 28: you. Thank you so much for

00:38:04 Speaker 28: listening. Have a great day. Okay.

00:38:06 Speaker 28: Thank you. And we will now.

00:38:08 Speaker 28: Okay. So next up, we we

00:38:10 Speaker 28: do have Ms. Yanson Grieve, but

00:38:11 Speaker 28: we don't see her yet logged

00:38:12 Speaker 28: on. So what we can do

00:38:13 Speaker 28: is we can move on to

00:38:14 Speaker 28: Ms. Loft, who is presenting on

00:38:15 Speaker 28: behalf of Bcom Incorporated, and we'll.

00:38:17 Speaker 28: keep an eye out for participation

00:38:19 Speaker 28: from our third deputation. So, good

00:38:20 Speaker 28: morning, Ms. Loft. We have everybody

00:38:22 Speaker 28: here in the chamber and virtual.

00:38:25 Speaker 28: So, again, if you you will

00:38:28 Speaker 24: have ten minutes, and then at

00:38:39 Speaker 24: the end of that, I will

00:38:42 Speaker 24: take a moment to look around

00:38:44 Speaker 24: the room to see if there

00:38:46 Speaker 24: are any questions for you. You

00:38:47 Speaker 24: have the floor. Good morning. Thank

00:38:50 Speaker 24: you. So, I do have a

00:38:52 Speaker 24: PowerPoint, and I understand from staff

00:38:55 Speaker 24: that I am to present. So,

00:38:57 Speaker 24: I'll just share my screen if

00:38:59 Speaker 24: that's okay. Yes, please do. Thank

00:38:59 Speaker 24: you. Good morning to Warden Matrosovs,

00:39:01 Speaker 24: to County Council, as well as

00:39:02 Speaker 24: staff. My name is Christine Loft

00:39:06 Speaker 24: of Loft Planning Inc., and I

00:39:08 Speaker 24: am representing the landowner, Beacom Inc.

00:39:10 Speaker 24: The owners are online as well

00:39:11 Speaker 24: as in the audience today, and

00:39:13 Speaker 24: this delegation is related to official

00:39:15 Speaker 24: plan amendment twenty. Two. I am

00:39:17 Speaker 24: going to run through the slides

00:39:19 Speaker 24: fairly quickly, just because I have

00:39:21 Speaker 24: quite a few slides in ten

00:39:24 Speaker 24: minutes. So we are delegating today

00:39:27 Speaker 24: in order to provide County Council

00:39:30 Speaker 24: an overview of the proposal and

00:39:33 Speaker 24: to provide the updates that have

00:39:35 Speaker 24: been made from the original proposal

00:39:38 Speaker 24: in response to the comments received

00:39:40 Speaker 29: at the statutory public meeting, and

00:39:43 Speaker 29: ultimately to request that County Council

00:39:44 Speaker 29: approve the official plan amendment and

00:39:46 Speaker 29: and allow the daily details of

00:39:49 Speaker 29: the operations to be dealt with.

00:39:51 Speaker 29: through the implementing zoning bylaw amendment

00:39:52 Speaker 29: before the municipality of Grey Highlands.

00:39:54 Speaker 29: The property is known as four

00:39:56 Speaker 29: six six six one five twelfth

00:39:59 Speaker 29: concession B within the municipality of

00:40:01 Speaker 29: Grey Highlands. The lands are rectangularly

00:40:04 Speaker 29: shaped and located on the north

00:40:07 Speaker 29: side of the twelfth concession B.

00:40:10 Speaker 29: The lands are forty point seven

00:40:12 Speaker 29: six hectares, seven six hectares in

00:40:15 Speaker 29: lot area, with a lot frontage

00:40:17 Speaker 29: of three hundred and forty three

00:40:20 Speaker 29: metres. There are existing structures on.

00:40:22 Speaker 29: the property, including a dwelling, accessory

00:40:25 Speaker 29: and accessory structures. The lands are

00:40:26 Speaker 29: surrounded to the north by woodlands

00:40:28 Speaker 29: and agricultural lands. To the east,

00:40:30 Speaker 29: with woodlands, rural lands, and rural

00:40:36 Speaker 29: residents, rural residences. To the south

00:40:37 Speaker 29: are the are residences associated with

00:40:39 Speaker 29: Lake Eugenia, as well as extensive

00:40:42 Speaker 29: woodlands. And to the west are

00:40:45 Speaker 29: woodlands, rural lands, and a number

00:40:48 Speaker 29: of rural residences. The lands are

00:40:51 Speaker 29: reg. The lands are regulated by

00:40:54 Speaker 29: the Great Southern Conservation Authority, and

00:40:56 Speaker 29: specifically, the area at the front

00:40:57 Speaker 29: of the property, which we're proposing

00:40:59 Speaker 29: to redesignate, are regulated. With respect

00:41:01 Speaker 29: to the proposed venue use and

00:41:03 Speaker 29: accommodation use, there would be a

00:41:05 Speaker 29: proposed maximum of ninety-five guests permitted

00:41:07 Speaker 29: on site at any event. The

00:41:10 Speaker 29: proposed zoned and designated area is

00:41:13 Speaker 29: limited in area, and the proposed

00:41:15 Speaker 29: zoning would build upon. existing zoning

00:41:17 Speaker 29: by way of Exception Zero Four

00:41:19 Speaker 29: Three, which I'll speak about, and

00:41:21 Speaker 29: I know staff spoke about in

00:41:23 Speaker 29: their staff report as well. And

00:41:26 Speaker 29: so there are existing permissions on

00:41:27 Speaker 29: site for a health spa and

00:41:30 Speaker 29: for four trailer campsites as well

00:41:31 Speaker 29: as the dwelling. The lands are

00:41:34 Speaker 29: designated rural, wetland, and hazard. And

00:41:36 Speaker 29: the purpose of the official plan

00:41:38 Speaker 29: amendment is to amend Schedule A

00:41:43 Speaker 29: and to change the designation of

00:41:45 Speaker 29: the subject lands from. on a

00:41:47 Speaker 29: portion of the property from

00:41:50 Speaker 29: rural to the rural site specific

00:41:52 Speaker 29: designation, and as you will hear

00:41:54 Speaker 29: within the county staff report, the

00:41:58 Speaker 29: specific policy area will be limited

00:42:02 Speaker 29: to one point zero five hectares,

00:42:03 Speaker 29: and the site specific policy will

00:42:06 Speaker 29: permit an additional permitted

00:42:08 Speaker 29: use being an event venue. The

00:42:12 Speaker 29: county official plan provides that the

00:42:13 Speaker 29: rural areas will permit will permit

00:42:15 Speaker 29: the consideration of resource based recreational.

00:42:17 Speaker 29: Resource-based recreational uses and other appropriate

00:42:19 Speaker 29: rural land uses, so long as

00:42:21 Speaker 29: they do not impact agriculture, forestry,

00:42:23 Speaker 29: aggregate extraction, or the natural environment.

00:42:25 Speaker 29: And the official plan also provides

00:42:27 Speaker 29: that the rural land use type

00:42:30 Speaker 29: offers flexibility for law creation, economic

00:42:33 Speaker 29: development, tourism, residential, and recreation. And

00:42:36 Speaker 29: it also provides that while there

00:42:39 Speaker 29: is greater flexibility in the rural

00:42:42 Speaker 29: land use type, farming and resource

00:42:44 Speaker 29: uses are still to. be given

00:42:47 Speaker 29: priority for protection, and I would

00:42:49 Speaker 29: just provide that I've provided a

00:42:50 Speaker 29: planning report as well as an

00:42:51 Speaker 29: addendum, and certainly all of the

00:42:54 Speaker 29: policies within the rural designation have

00:42:55 Speaker 29: been provided in those reports and

00:42:57 Speaker 29: provide opinions with respect to the

00:42:58 Speaker 29: site plan. So this is a

00:43:00 Speaker 29: conceptual conceptual overview, and I've zoomed

00:43:01 Speaker 29: in just on the area that,

00:43:03 Speaker 29: in part, is proposed to be

00:43:07 Speaker 29: redesigned. Is proposed to be redesignated.

00:43:08 Speaker 29: So starting at the front lot

00:43:10 Speaker 29: line, and I guess because I'm

00:43:12 Speaker 29: presenting, I can sort of point.

00:43:13 Speaker 29: But the end at the at

00:43:15 Speaker 29: the front of the lot, of

00:43:17 Speaker 29: course, is the main entrance. And

00:43:20 Speaker 29: from the main entrance in is

00:43:22 Speaker 29: the existing residence, which is in

00:43:23 Speaker 29: on the left hand side and

00:43:27 Speaker 29: is in red. Moving down is

00:43:30 Speaker 29: a small parking area in yellow

00:43:32 Speaker 29: and labelled as parking. There is

00:43:34 Speaker 29: the hall, which is the proposed

00:43:38 Speaker 29: area as the event venue, and

00:43:41 Speaker 29: I'll show you photos in a

00:43:44 Speaker 29: minute. There is an existing pool

00:43:45 Speaker 29: on site. This purple area is

00:43:47 Speaker 29: the proposed septic system, and while

00:43:49 Speaker 29: this is conceptual, we have had

00:43:52 Speaker 29: Capes Engineering size it, so we

00:43:58 Speaker 29: expect that that shape and size

00:43:59 Speaker 29: is accurate. And then a parking

00:44:02 Speaker 29: area. There is the cabin tent

00:44:06 Speaker 29: area, and we've sort of shown

00:44:07 Speaker 29: in green the proposed tent sites,

00:44:10 Speaker 29: and as well as some additional

00:44:12 Speaker 29: parking to. Towards a little closer

00:44:14 Speaker 29: to the back of the property

00:44:15 Speaker 29: and a back of this designated

00:44:18 Speaker 29: area, and I would just note

00:44:21 Speaker 29: that this dark blue hashed line

00:44:24 Speaker 29: is actually the thirty-metre setback from

00:44:25 Speaker 29: the wetland and the hazard lands

00:44:28 Speaker 29: as identified within the environmental impact

00:44:32 Speaker 29: study. I have a few quick

00:44:34 Speaker 29: slides to show. So this is

00:44:37 Speaker 29: just a photo from the entrance,

00:44:39 Speaker 29: looking into the site and. you

00:44:41 Speaker 29: can see the existing house on

00:44:44 Speaker 29: the left. You can see the

00:44:47 Speaker 29: hall in the foreground, and then

00:44:49 Speaker 29: the pool is actually just beside

00:44:52 Speaker 29: the hall area. Two photos of,

00:44:53 Speaker 29: and you just saw them on

00:44:57 Speaker 29: the previous delegation. But there are

00:44:58 Speaker 29: existing platforms and yurts on site

00:45:01 Speaker 29: as part of the existing approvals

00:45:02 Speaker 29: of the site. This is actually

00:45:05 Speaker 29: a photo of the hall on

00:45:06 Speaker 29: the. left, a visual, and then

00:45:09 Speaker 29: an interior shot on the right-hand

00:45:11 Speaker 29: side. And then on the left,

00:45:15 Speaker 29: just a small area showing where

00:45:17 Speaker 29: wedding vows would be held, and

00:45:19 Speaker 29: on the right, just a photo

00:45:22 Speaker 29: of the pond area. This is

00:45:24 Speaker 29: the existing dwelling, and there are

00:45:26 Speaker 29: existing permissions in the zoning for

00:45:27 Speaker 29: a health spa as well as

00:45:29 Speaker 29: accommodation within that existing dwelling, and

00:45:32 Speaker 29: then a fire pit which exists

00:45:34 Speaker 29: today and just located. just in

00:45:37 Speaker 29: close proximity to the existing house.

00:45:41 Speaker 29: What is before County Council today

00:45:43 Speaker 29: is the official plan amendment. However,

00:45:45 Speaker 29: we are asking Council to approve

00:45:47 Speaker 29: the official plan amendment based on

00:45:48 Speaker 29: the details being provided within

00:45:51 Speaker 29: the implementing zoning bylaw. So, I

00:45:54 Speaker 29: just wanted to provide an overview

00:45:58 Speaker 29: of those details. So, the zoning

00:46:01 Speaker 29: bylaw does include a specific special

00:46:02 Speaker 29: events definition. Pardon me, as the

00:46:06 Speaker 29: zoning bylaw currently does not include.

00:46:08 Speaker 29: a definition. So the definition before

00:46:10 Speaker 29: before municipal council will be special

00:46:12 Speaker 29: events shall include the holding of

00:46:14 Speaker 29: an assembly of assembly of persons

00:46:17 Speaker 29: for the purpose of health and

00:46:19 Speaker 29: wellness retreats, educational events, corporate or

00:46:22 Speaker 29: business retreats, weddings, and other similar

00:46:24 Speaker 29: gatherings. And in terms of general

00:46:28 Speaker 29: provisions, total maximum number of guests

00:46:30 Speaker 29: on site at any given time:

00:46:32 Speaker 29: ninety-five persons per event. for twelve

00:46:34 Speaker 29: events a year, and a total

00:46:36 Speaker 29: maximum number of guests on site

00:46:37 Speaker 29: at any given time being for

00:46:40 Speaker 29: fifty persons, which would be unlimited

00:46:42 Speaker 29: number of events per year. Um,

00:46:46 Speaker 29: events could be held then January

00:46:50 Speaker 29: one through December thirty first, so

00:46:52 Speaker 29: all year annually, and then operations,

00:46:54 Speaker 29: um, Friday to Sunday events ending

00:46:56 Speaker 29: at eleven thirty p.m. and weekday

00:46:59 Speaker 29: hours of operations Monday through Thursday

00:47:01 Speaker 29: ending at eleven p.m. Ending at

00:47:02 Speaker 29: 11 p.m. So I have highlighted

00:47:05 Speaker 29: these in red because these have

00:47:08 Speaker 29: been changes that have been made

00:47:11 Speaker 29: since the initial submission in response

00:47:14 Speaker 29: to comments received at the public

00:47:16 Speaker 29: meeting. And with respect to on-site

00:47:18 Speaker 29: accommodation, there's a maximum of five

00:47:21 Speaker 29: guest cabins and a maximum of

00:47:24 Speaker 29: seven guest tents proposed, which just

00:47:27 Speaker 29: in terms of persons would be

00:47:28 Speaker 29: 34 guests. And then guest accommodation

00:47:30 Speaker 29: is 16 guests, and that is

00:47:32 Speaker 29: within the existing. house, and there

00:47:34 Speaker 29: are existing approvals for guests within

00:47:37 Speaker 29: that existing house. A number of

00:47:39 Speaker 29: technical reports have been completed, planning

00:47:41 Speaker 29: report as well as the draft

00:47:42 Speaker 29: amendments provided, and we provided addendum

00:47:45 Speaker 29: reports, a servicing report, an environmental

00:47:47 Speaker 29: impact study, a noise assessment has

00:47:49 Speaker 29: also been completed and has been

00:47:53 Speaker 29: peer reviewed. And while I won't

00:47:57 Speaker 29: go through the details of the

00:47:59 Speaker 29: technical studies, I did. just want

00:48:02 Speaker 29: to provide that again. The lands

00:48:04 Speaker 29: are regulated by the Conservation Authority.

00:48:05 Speaker 29: The Conservation Authority did review the

00:48:08 Speaker 29: environmental impact study and did provide

00:48:10 Speaker 29: comments on May twenty one, two

00:48:12 Speaker 29: thousand and twenty four. That the

00:48:15 Speaker 29: Conservation Authority has no objections to

00:48:17 Speaker 29: the proposal for the described zoning

00:48:20 Speaker 29: bylaw amendment application or the associated

00:48:23 Speaker 29: development. A noise assessment was completed,

00:48:26 Speaker 29: and the county actually had the

00:48:29 Speaker 29: noise assessment. peer reviewed on and

00:48:31 Speaker 29: on October twenty second two thousand

00:48:34 Speaker 29: and twenty four the peer review

00:48:36 Speaker 29: was completed and concluded that the

00:48:38 Speaker 29: proposed venue can be compatible. They

00:48:40 Speaker 29: did provide recommendations and we would

00:48:43 Speaker 29: agree that these recommendations are included

00:48:45 Speaker 29: within a site plan agreement, which

00:48:48 Speaker 29: of course would be typical. And

00:48:51 Speaker 29: it is proposed that and and

00:48:54 Speaker 29: the noise assessment did include this

00:48:57 Speaker 29: that an administration policy and management

00:49:00 Speaker 29: plan be. implemented by the land

00:49:04 Speaker 29: owner, and we actually have provided

00:49:06 Speaker 29: staff with a draft of what

00:49:08 Speaker 29: that policy would look like. A

00:49:10 Speaker 29: number of other considerations, of course,

00:49:13 Speaker 29: were made: traffic and traffic movements.

00:49:16 Speaker 29: There, a traffic impact study was

00:49:18 Speaker 29: not required as an as the

00:49:22 Speaker 29: anticipated traffic volumes are reasonable and

00:49:25 Speaker 29: serviceable by the existing road network.

00:49:26 Speaker 29: Refuse will be stored appropriately, covered

00:49:28 Speaker 29: on site. and within designated areas,

00:49:30 Speaker 29: an operational agreement would be provided

00:49:32 Speaker 29: to each organiser of events and

00:49:34 Speaker 29: would be mutually signed so they're

00:49:37 Speaker 29: aware of the rules and the

00:49:39 Speaker 29: limitations on site. And there will

00:49:42 Speaker 29: be on-site staffing at all times

00:49:44 Speaker 29: during event, representing the landowner and

00:49:46 Speaker 29: ensuring that the rules and regulations

00:49:48 Speaker 29: are met. Those are those are

00:49:51 Speaker 29: my those are my points. Those

00:49:54 Speaker 29: are my those are my comments,

00:49:57 Speaker 29: and on behalf of the owners

00:49:59 Speaker 29: of B Com Inc., we would

00:50:01 Speaker 29: ask the County Council approve the

00:50:02 Speaker 29: proposed official plan amendment before you.

00:50:05 Speaker 29: B Com wishes to establish and

00:50:08 Speaker 29: operate a successful and meaningful business

00:50:10 Speaker 29: that benefits both the municipality and

00:50:13 Speaker 29: the county. We have appreciated all

00:50:17 Speaker 29: of the work that municipal staff

00:50:19 Speaker 29: and county staff have put into

00:50:21 Speaker 29: this, and a lot of hours

00:50:26 Speaker 29: and time have been spent listening

00:50:28 Speaker 29: to the consideration. that we did

00:50:31 Speaker 30: here at the public meeting and

00:50:36 Speaker 30: following the public meeting, additional ratepayer

00:50:38 Speaker 30: comments. So we do feel that

00:50:40 Speaker 30: we we have listened to the

00:50:41 Speaker 30: comments. We've made significant changes to

00:50:43 Speaker 30: the proposal and feel that all

00:50:46 Speaker 30: of the recommendations provided within the

00:50:47 Speaker 30: technical reports can certainly be implemented

00:50:49 Speaker 10: through the zoning bylaw amendment through

00:50:51 Speaker 10: a site plan agreement. We are

00:50:53 Speaker 10: proposing a holding provision on the

00:50:54 Speaker 10: zoning. before municipal council, with regard

00:50:55 Speaker 10: to entering into a site plan

00:50:58 Speaker 10: agreement, and those are my comments.

00:51:06 Speaker 29: Okay, thank you very much, Miss

00:51:10 Speaker 29: Lovd. At this point in time,

00:51:12 Speaker 29: I will look around the chamber

00:51:14 Speaker 29: to see if there are any

00:51:16 Speaker 29: questions from council members. I'm going

00:51:19 Speaker 29: to go to Councillor Nielsen. Thank

00:51:23 Speaker 29: you very much, Warden. Just one

00:51:25 Speaker 29: question for clarity regarding the number

00:51:26 Speaker 29: of people's on site. Of persons

00:51:30 Speaker 29: on site, the 95 is the

00:51:33 Speaker 29: guests, and I'm just assuming that

00:51:35 Speaker 29: that does not include the number

00:51:37 Speaker 29: of staff that will require the

00:51:39 Speaker 29: band itself, event coordinators, and organisations.

00:51:40 Speaker 29: Thank you through you through you

00:51:41 Speaker 29: to the counselors. So the 95

00:51:44 Speaker 29: persons it includes guests, so that

00:51:45 Speaker 29: would include anyone staying anyone at

00:51:47 Speaker 29: the event and anyone staying overnight.

00:51:50 Speaker 29: It's it's a it's a total

00:51:57 Speaker 29: number of persons on site as

00:52:01 Speaker 31: part of the event. You are

00:52:03 Speaker 31: correct; it obviously does not include

00:52:04 Speaker 31: a person that's there overseeing the

00:52:09 Speaker 31: event or band members, which I

00:52:13 Speaker 31: would expect to be fairly minimal.

00:52:15 Speaker 31: But I think it's a good

00:52:17 Speaker 29: question, and it was—I know it

00:52:20 Speaker 29: was raised at municipal council, and

00:52:24 Speaker 29: I didn't have a chance to

00:52:26 Speaker 29: answer that day. But it is

00:52:28 Speaker 29: the total number of people that

00:52:32 Speaker 29: would be on site at the

00:52:35 Speaker 29: event. including those staying overnight. Thank

00:52:38 Speaker 29: you. Okay, it will go over

00:52:40 Speaker 29: to Councillor McKay. Yes, thank you.

00:52:42 Speaker 29: Through you, Warden. Sounds to me

00:52:44 Speaker 29: like was there a business there

00:52:47 Speaker 29: at one time. That's my only

00:52:49 Speaker 29: question. Ms. Loft, thank you. Through

00:52:54 Speaker 29: you to the councillor. So there

00:52:56 Speaker 32: are there are. existing zoning permissions

00:53:01 Speaker 32: on site that include a wellness

00:53:03 Speaker 32: facility within the existing house. It

00:53:06 Speaker 32: also did allow for overnight accommodation

00:53:08 Speaker 21: within the house, and it also

00:53:12 Speaker 21: included limited tent and trailer permissions

00:53:13 Speaker 21: on site. I'm not actually sure

00:53:14 Speaker 21: the extent of those operations, but

00:53:19 Speaker 21: certainly those are the permissions that

00:53:22 Speaker 21: are on site. I have been

00:53:23 Speaker 21: on site, and certainly those. portions

00:53:27 Speaker 21: exist, and and the house internally

00:53:31 Speaker 21: was certainly set up for a

00:53:33 Speaker 21: wellness centre. Thank you. Okay, I'll

00:53:34 Speaker 21: look around the room, and I'll

00:53:39 Speaker 21: go to Councillor Eccles. Thank you,

00:53:41 Speaker 29: and thank you for the presentation,

00:53:44 Speaker 29: Miss Loff. A couple of questions.

00:53:46 Speaker 29: One of them is on the

00:53:47 Speaker 29: 30 metre wetland setback. I can't

00:53:50 Speaker 29: tell you what page that's on.

00:53:53 Speaker 29: but it had the parking, the

00:53:54 Speaker 29: hall, the pool, the coloured one,

00:53:56 Speaker 29: and it's the blue line. It's

00:53:58 Speaker 29: a 30-metre setback, but it goes

00:53:59 Speaker 29: right through the pond area.

00:54:02 Speaker 29: I'm, I'm slightly confused on. We've

00:54:06 Speaker 29: got a setback from the, but

00:54:14 Speaker 29: it's right in the middle of

00:54:15 Speaker 29: the pond. Any explanation on that?

00:54:16 Speaker 29: Ms. Loft. Thank you. Thank you.

00:54:20 Speaker 29: Through the. chair to County Councillor

00:54:23 Speaker 29: Eccles. So the third, so first

00:54:24 Speaker 29: of all, we are meeting all

00:54:29 Speaker 33: of the setbacks to the wetland

00:54:32 Speaker 33: designation, and so if the

00:54:36 Speaker 33: wetland designate the wetland designation, I'd

00:54:39 Speaker 33: have to pull up the mapping,

00:54:41 Speaker 33: but it doesn't necessarily include the

00:54:46 Speaker 33: pond area. The pond area is

00:54:47 Speaker 33: likely within the conservation authority designate

00:54:50 Speaker 33: zones considered hazard. So we are

00:54:52 Speaker 33: meeting the requirements of the wetland

00:54:56 Speaker 33: designation. Okay, and I'll look around

00:54:58 Speaker 33: to see if there are any

00:55:02 Speaker 29: other questions. Oh, the follow-up from

00:55:05 Speaker 29: Councillor Eccles. Thank you. Yeah, I

00:55:08 Speaker 29: guess maybe the pond is not

00:55:12 Speaker 29: considered the wetland; it's just considered

00:55:14 Speaker 29: wet. My second question was somewhat

00:55:17 Speaker 29: similar to Councillor Nielsen's: ninety-five people

00:55:20 Speaker 29: or ninety-five guests on site for.

00:55:22 Speaker 29: twelve times a year, fifty people

00:55:26 Speaker 29: on site at any time, three

00:55:28 Speaker 29: hundred and sixty-five. I guess we

00:55:29 Speaker 29: could have that. So those twelve

00:55:32 Speaker 29: times of the year are those

00:55:33 Speaker 29: ninety-five in addition to the fifty,

00:55:35 Speaker 29: making it one forty-five for twelve

00:55:36 Speaker 29: times a year. Miss Lott, thank

00:55:38 Speaker 29: you, thank you. Through the chair

00:55:39 Speaker 29: to Councillor Eccles. So we. are

00:55:42 Speaker 29: proposing. So originally, the proposal was

00:55:45 Speaker 29: for 95 persons per event. But

00:55:46 Speaker 29: in listening to the comments received,

00:55:51 Speaker 29: it was decided by the landowners

00:55:54 Speaker 29: that really 12 events per year

00:55:56 Speaker 29: at the 95 persons was was

00:55:58 Speaker 29: reasonable in terms of the operations.

00:56:00 Speaker 29: They they certainly do not expect

00:56:01 Speaker 29: to have multiple events of that

00:56:04 Speaker 29: size a week, and that if

00:56:05 Speaker 29: you were holding an event of

00:56:08 Speaker 29: that size, then people. would want

00:56:11 Speaker 29: to be there the day before

00:56:14 Speaker 29: to set up and the day

00:56:19 Speaker 29: after to tear down, and and

00:56:22 Speaker 29: so it's certainly reasonable that there

00:56:25 Speaker 29: only be twelve events a year

00:56:28 Speaker 29: at the ninety-five persons, and with

00:56:30 Speaker 29: respect to the fifty persons, that

00:56:32 Speaker 29: would so it it the intent

00:56:35 Speaker 29: would be that those fifty persons

00:56:36 Speaker 29: would be it's obviously a much

00:56:38 Speaker 29: smaller event that it would be

00:56:42 Speaker 29: held in the hall, and that

00:56:45 Speaker 29: those may be through. Those may

00:56:47 Speaker 29: be throughout the year, so they

00:56:49 Speaker 29: could be within inclement weather, because

00:56:54 Speaker 29: the the event would be held

00:56:55 Speaker 34: within the hall only and limited

00:56:58 Speaker 34: to fifty persons per event. So,

00:56:59 Speaker 34: if like basically only twelve events

00:57:01 Speaker 34: a year can be at the

00:57:03 Speaker 34: ninety-five persons on site at any

00:57:06 Speaker 22: given time, should the owner wish

00:57:09 Speaker 22: to have within the same week

00:57:11 Speaker 22: a fifty event, a fifty persons

00:57:14 Speaker 22: event. They could do that, say

00:57:16 Speaker 29: on a Tuesday or Wednesday, a

00:57:19 Speaker 29: corporate retreat, a birthday party, a

00:57:26 Speaker 29: wedding shower. So, so there could

00:57:28 Speaker 28: be multiple events a year. However,

00:57:31 Speaker 28: the ninety-five persons per event would

00:57:34 Speaker 28: be limited to twelve. Okay, thank

00:57:37 Speaker 28: you. I have a question from

00:57:39 Speaker 28: the deputy warden. Thank you, Madam

00:57:43 Speaker 28: Warden, and thank you, Miss Law,

00:57:44 Speaker 28: for the presentation. How did you,

00:57:45 Speaker 28: or how did the proponent, come

00:57:46 Speaker 28: to the number of ninety-five? Like,

00:57:48 Speaker 28: not ninety-four, not ninety-six, ninety-five. How

00:57:51 Speaker 28: did you come to that one?

00:57:52 Speaker 28: Please. Thank you, Miss Lott. Thank

00:57:55 Speaker 28: you. Through the chair

00:57:57 Speaker 28: to the county councillor. It is

00:57:59 Speaker 28: the occupancy of the hall. Okay.

00:58:01 Speaker 28: Thank you. I'll look around for

00:58:03 Speaker 28: any further questions. Not seeing any

00:58:05 Speaker 28: here. We'll go to that's Madam

00:58:12 Speaker 28: Clerk. That's not Councillor Bourdonal's hand,

00:58:18 Speaker 12: right? That's just the cursor. Yeah.

00:58:21 Speaker 12: Okay. All right. Okay. So it

00:58:22 Speaker 24: looks like we've come to the

00:58:38 Speaker 35: conclusion of the questions for you,

00:58:44 Speaker 35: Ms. Loff. Thank you very much

00:58:46 Speaker 35: for presenting and for sharing your

00:58:47 Speaker 35: materials. Thank you for your time.

00:58:50 Speaker 35: Okay. Thank you. So with that,

00:58:51 Speaker 35: then we will move on to

5 Determination of Items Requiring Separate Discussion

A speaker requested a five-minute break to coordinate process questions regarding items six D and E before returning to determine which of the five listed items require separate discussion from the consent agenda.

00:58:52 Speaker 35: items to determine requiring separate discussion,

01:05:20 Speaker 35: listed in section. six. We have

01:05:22 Speaker 35: five different items. Are there any

01:05:24 Speaker 35: items there that any county council

01:08:16 Speaker 35: members wish to pull? We'll go

01:08:17 Speaker 35: to councillor body. I'd like to

01:08:20 Speaker 35: discuss six D and E separately.

01:08:22 Speaker 35: We'll be passing and supporting, but

01:08:23 Speaker 35: just think they need to be

01:08:26 Speaker 35: highlighted. Thanks. Sorry, I'm just

01:08:28 Speaker 35: getting some messages there. Sorry, could

01:08:32 Speaker 35: we just take a five-minute break,

01:08:34 Speaker 35: please? We just need a chance

01:08:35 Speaker 35: to coordinate some some process questions

01:08:37 Speaker 35: that are coming across the table

01:08:39 Speaker 35: here. So we'll just take a

01:08:41 Speaker 35: brief five-minute break, please. If I

01:08:43 Speaker 35: can invite all the county members,

01:08:45 Speaker 35: county committee, the whole members back

01:08:46 Speaker 35: to their table, thank you. Okay,

01:08:48 Speaker 35: thank you very much, Committee. The

01:08:51 Speaker 35: whole members, we sorted our our

01:08:53 Speaker 35: questions here at the table out,

01:08:54 Speaker 35: and I'd like to be be

01:08:57 Speaker 35: able to begin again then with.

01:08:59 Speaker 35: item number five, determination of items

01:09:01 Speaker 35: requiring separate discussions. So, Councillor Body.

01:09:02 Speaker 35: Yeah, the questions that I had

01:09:04 Speaker 35: actually are pretty simple, and I

01:09:06 Speaker 35: got they got answered just in

01:09:09 Speaker 35: the break there. So I don't

01:09:11 Speaker 35: need to have those pulled from

01:09:12 Speaker 35: the consent. Thank you. Okay, thank

01:09:13 Speaker 35: you. Are there any other items

01:09:15 Speaker 35: through A through E that wish

01:09:18 Speaker 35: to be pulled that the committee,

01:09:21 Speaker 35: the whole members wish to pull?

01:09:25 Speaker 35: Okay, so seeing none then, and

01:09:27 Speaker 35: then I will then put out.

6 Consent Agenda

A motion was moved to receive consent agenda items, authorise staff actions, and support correspondence for information as recommended. The motion was seconded and carried by the body.

01:09:30 Speaker 35: the recommendation is that the following

01:09:35 Speaker 35: consent agenda consent agenda items be

01:09:37 Speaker 35: received, and that staff be authorised

01:09:38 Speaker 35: to take actions necessary to give

01:09:40 Speaker 35: effect to the recommendations in the

01:09:41 Speaker 35: staff reports, and that course that

01:09:43 Speaker 35: the correspondence be supported or received

01:09:44 Speaker 35: for information as recommended in the

01:09:47 Speaker 35: consent agenda. So with that, I'll

01:09:50 Speaker 35: look for a mover and a

01:09:51 Speaker 35: seconder, moved by Councillor Carleton, seconded

01:09:54 Speaker 35: by Councillor Dobrin. Any discussion? All

01:09:56 Speaker 35: those in favour? And that motion

01:10:01 Speaker 35: is carried. Thank you. Okay, so

01:10:04 Speaker 35: that allows us to move on

01:10:07 Speaker 35: to items for separate discussion, and

01:10:09 Speaker 35: we have we have six seven.

01:10:12 Speaker 35: We have a number of different

01:10:16 Speaker 35: items here, so we are going

7.a 42-08-180-OPA-22 Beacalm Inc. (Highland Estate) PDR-CW-52-25

County Council considered an Official Plan Amendment for Bcom Inc.'s Highland Estate proposal to create a special events venue with guest accommodations. Staff recommended approval subject to mitigations including noise controls and a temporary deferral of septic system installation, though concerns regarding First Nations engagement and zoning exceptions were raised. A motion supporting the amendment failed on a vote, leading Council to pass a procedural motion formally directing the refusal of the Official Plan Amendment.

01:10:20 Speaker 35: to begin with item seven A,

01:10:22 Speaker 35: just to get it onto the

01:10:24 Speaker 35: floor. Then I will look for

01:10:26 Speaker 35: if there's a mover and a

01:10:28 Speaker 35: seconder for the recommended motion that

01:10:30 Speaker 35: report PDRCW fifty two twenty five

01:10:35 Speaker 35: regarding OPA twenty two B. OPA

01:10:38 Speaker 35: 22 Bcom Inc Highland Estate be

01:10:39 Speaker 35: received, and that the official plan

01:10:40 Speaker 35: amendment 4208180 OPA 22 OPA 22

01:10:42 Speaker 35: Bcom Inc, also known as Highland

01:10:45 Speaker 35: Estate, which proposes a site-specific exception

01:10:52 Speaker 35: to the rural designation to permit

01:10:55 Speaker 36: a special events venue on approximately

01:10:59 Speaker 36: 105 acre at 1.05 acres, legally

01:11:02 Speaker 36: described as part lot 33 concession.

01:11:05 Speaker 36: thirteen in the geographic township of

01:11:08 Speaker 36: Artemisia, now in the municipality of

01:11:11 Speaker 36: Grey Highlands, be supported, and that

01:11:13 Speaker 36: staff be directed to prepare a

01:11:17 Speaker 36: bylaw for approval by county council.

01:11:22 Speaker 36: Is there a mover? Moved by

01:11:24 Speaker 36: Councillor Hutchinson, seconded. Seconded by Councillor

01:11:26 Speaker 36: Carleton. It's now on the floor

01:11:28 Speaker 36: for discussion. And with that, then

01:11:30 Speaker 36: I would like to invite Miss

01:11:32 Speaker 36: Hillier to come to the lectern

01:11:35 Speaker 36: to present, make her presentation. Good

01:11:36 Speaker 36: morning. Good morning, County Council. Before

01:11:39 Speaker 36: I get started today, I just

01:11:41 Speaker 36: wanted to acknowledge all of those

01:11:44 Speaker 36: individuals who provided input into this

01:11:47 Speaker 36: file that we're reviewing here today.

01:11:49 Speaker 36: Over the past year, we've had

01:11:51 Speaker 36: numerous public comments come in with

01:11:53 Speaker 36: regards to this development. I have.

01:11:54 Speaker 36: reviewed all of them. In particular,

01:11:56 Speaker 36: just before our, sorry, between the

01:11:59 Speaker 36: time of having written the staff

01:12:01 Speaker 36: report and and presenting here today,

01:12:02 Speaker 36: we did receive a number of

01:12:05 Speaker 36: new comments that have come in

01:12:08 Speaker 36: to myself and to our our

01:12:11 Speaker 36: clerk staff. To my knowledge, all

01:12:13 Speaker 36: or most of those have been

01:12:22 Speaker 36: circulated to our council members. I

01:12:23 Speaker 36: have personally reviewed all of those,

01:12:24 Speaker 36: and the ones that we see.

01:12:27 Speaker 36: on our consent agenda today were

01:12:29 Speaker 36: those individuals who had specifically requested

01:12:30 Speaker 36: that their comments be read or

01:12:32 Speaker 36: presented out to council today. So

01:12:35 Speaker 36: that was the reason that those

01:12:37 Speaker 36: comments were listed on the consent

01:12:40 Speaker 36: agenda, whereas others were not on

01:12:42 Speaker 36: the agenda. But I did just

01:12:45 Speaker 36: want to reassure everyone that those

01:12:48 Speaker 36: comments have been reviewed and acknowledged

01:12:50 Speaker 36: and certainly considered as part of

01:12:52 Speaker 36: this recommendation for the development as

01:12:54 Speaker 36: a whole. So with that. I

01:12:56 Speaker 36: can launch into things here. So

01:12:58 Speaker 36: Miss Loff did a great job

01:12:59 Speaker 36: presenting a bit of an overview

01:13:02 Speaker 36: of of this file, which was

01:13:04 Speaker 36: excellent. I am going to take

01:13:06 Speaker 36: a little bit more time with

01:13:08 Speaker 36: this one today, just acknowledging, you

01:13:11 Speaker 36: know, some of the discussions and

01:13:14 Speaker 36: and challenges with this file. You

01:13:16 Speaker 36: know, the the recommendation that we're

01:13:18 Speaker 36: presenting here today is is certainly

01:13:20 Speaker 36: not something. that I've I've taken

01:13:22 Speaker 36: lightly. There have been just numerous

01:13:24 Speaker 36: discussions between myself and Gray Highlands

01:13:26 Speaker 36: Planning staff with the applicant with

01:13:29 Speaker 36: members of the public. So this

01:13:30 Speaker 36: this really has been quite a

01:13:32 Speaker 36: complex process and certainly one of

01:13:36 Speaker 36: the more challenging files I've worked

01:13:38 Speaker 36: on during my time with the

01:13:41 Speaker 36: county. So as Miss Loft noted,

01:13:44 Speaker 36: we've got a County Official Plan

01:13:46 Speaker 36: Amendment OPA twenty two to establish

01:13:51 Speaker 36: a special events venue for hosting

01:13:53 Speaker 36: events weddings. retreats, other types of

01:13:56 Speaker 36: smaller functions, potentially family reunions, small

01:13:59 Speaker 36: classes, those types of things. The

01:14:01 Speaker 36: property is around forty point five

01:14:04 Speaker 36: hectares in size, just over a

01:14:07 Speaker 36: hundred acres or so. Currently features

01:14:08 Speaker 36: a single residential dwelling and accessory

01:14:09 Speaker 36: structures. Some of those accessory structures

01:14:11 Speaker 36: include a historic hangar on the

01:14:13 Speaker 36: property, as well as a building

01:14:15 Speaker 36: that would be converted to that

01:14:18 Speaker 36: hall function for accommodating events. The

01:14:20 Speaker 36: lands have frontage on twelve. Have

01:14:22 Speaker 36: frontage on Twelfth Concession B in

01:14:24 Speaker 36: Grey Highlands, and the surrounding land

01:14:28 Speaker 36: uses largely include forest, wetlands, and

01:14:29 Speaker 36: other smaller residential parcels to the

01:14:31 Speaker 36: south. As one of the commenters

01:14:33 Speaker 36: today had noted, the municipality of

01:14:34 Speaker 36: Grey Highlands has also recently approved

01:14:37 Speaker 36: a ten-unit blamping facility on a

01:14:39 Speaker 36: property just south. So this is

01:14:41 Speaker 36: the subject property here. This little

01:14:42 Speaker 36: cleared area. towards the bottom is.

01:14:43 Speaker 36: Sorry, I'm not sure you can't

01:14:45 Speaker 36: actually see. My first, the cleared

01:14:48 Speaker 36: area towards the bottom of the

01:14:49 Speaker 36: site is is where the event

01:14:51 Speaker 36: function would be held, and then

01:14:53 Speaker 36: the property just to kind of

01:14:55 Speaker 36: kitty corner there. The larger one

01:14:58 Speaker 36: south of of Twelve Concession B

01:14:59 Speaker 36: is where that glamping facility has

01:15:00 Speaker 36: has been approved. So just to

01:15:03 Speaker 36: zoom in a little bit closer

01:15:04 Speaker 36: here, you can see towards the

01:15:07 Speaker 36: road we've got the dwelling that

01:15:09 Speaker 36: exists that would be used for

01:15:10 Speaker 36: that short-term accommodation. purposes for guests,

01:15:13 Speaker 36: we've got that central parking area.

01:15:14 Speaker 36: Towards the back, you can see

01:15:17 Speaker 36: a little structure right at the

01:15:19 Speaker 36: top of the screen. There, that's

01:15:21 Speaker 36: the historic hangar. One of the

01:15:24 Speaker 36: changes that has been proposed or

01:15:26 Speaker 36: has come about as a result

01:15:28 Speaker 36: of some of the comments from

01:15:29 Speaker 36: the public and and some of

01:15:31 Speaker 36: those studies that we reviewed is

01:15:33 Speaker 36: initially events were going to be

01:15:34 Speaker 36: held, or there was an option

01:15:35 Speaker 36: of the for events to be

01:15:36 Speaker 36: held within that hangar structure. Is

01:15:39 Speaker 36: is kind of a live music.

01:15:43 Speaker 36: Is this kind of a live

01:15:45 Speaker 36: music type of venue? The noise

01:15:47 Speaker 36: studies we personally felt were were

01:15:49 Speaker 36: going to be too impactful for

01:15:51 Speaker 36: the for the natural environment, and

01:15:53 Speaker 36: so we did request with the

01:15:56 Speaker 36: applicant that that be removed from

01:15:57 Speaker 36: the event portion. So that is

01:15:59 Speaker 36: no longer contemplated within the OPA,

01:16:01 Speaker 36: and that structure has been removed.

01:16:05 Speaker 36: So all of the amplified noise

01:16:07 Speaker 36: would be held within the hall

01:16:10 Speaker 36: structure, was which is sort of

01:16:12 Speaker 36: in the central portion of that

01:16:15 Speaker 36: treat area. There, these are older

01:16:16 Speaker 36: photos. so you can't see the

01:16:17 Speaker 36: building at this point. And then,

01:16:20 Speaker 36: sort of to the left of

01:16:22 Speaker 36: that treat area would be where

01:16:23 Speaker 36: the short-term accommodation uses would be.

01:16:25 Speaker 36: So, just as some additional background

01:16:28 Speaker 36: here, the lands are designated as

01:16:30 Speaker 36: rural hazard lands and provincially significant

01:16:33 Speaker 36: wet wetlands and Schedule A

01:16:35 Speaker 36: of the county's official plan. It's

01:16:38 Speaker 36: also designated as a core area.

01:16:40 Speaker 36: So, for those who aren't aware,

01:16:41 Speaker 36: our core area is our areas

01:16:43 Speaker 36: within the county that we see

01:16:44 Speaker 36: as being See it being the

01:16:47 Speaker 36: most ecologically significant because they often

01:16:49 Speaker 36: overlap with our significant wetlands and

01:16:50 Speaker 36: our significant woodlands, and they provide

01:16:52 Speaker 36: a very contiguous area of species

01:16:55 Speaker 36: habitat. And so, from that perspective,

01:16:56 Speaker 36: from the beginning, you know, one

01:16:59 Speaker 36: of the public interests here is

01:17:02 Speaker 36: really that protection of the natural

01:17:05 Speaker 36: environment. And so, we did request

01:17:09 Speaker 36: from the beginning that an environmental

01:17:12 Speaker 36: impact study be conducted at the

01:17:14 Speaker 36: site, which has been done and

01:17:15 Speaker 36: reviewed by our planning ecology staff.

01:17:18 Speaker 36: in house, the event buildings are

01:17:20 Speaker 36: predominantly located within existing cleared areas

01:17:23 Speaker 36: of the property. As noted, just

01:17:26 Speaker 36: if we scroll back one, that

01:17:27 Speaker 36: kind of pocket of trees right

01:17:30 Speaker 36: in the middle. A portion of

01:17:32 Speaker 36: that is proposed to be cleared

01:17:34 Speaker 36: for a future septic system, which

01:17:36 Speaker 36: would connect the event hall as

01:17:38 Speaker 36: well as all of the accommodation

01:17:41 Speaker 36: uses. So everything would be run

01:17:44 Speaker 36: on a central septic system, which

01:17:45 Speaker 36: would you know have the impact

01:17:48 Speaker 36: of the kind of consolidating. Of

01:17:50 Speaker 36: kind of consolidating the septic and

01:17:53 Speaker 36: you know kind of preventing potential

01:17:54 Speaker 36: future impacts with the surrounding wetland

01:17:57 Speaker 36: feature, for example. So, along with

01:18:00 Speaker 36: the county official plan amendment, as

01:18:01 Speaker 36: Ms. Loth noted, a zoning bylaw

01:18:03 Speaker 36: amendment has been submitted to Gray

01:18:06 Speaker 36: Highlands. These have been both of

01:18:09 Speaker 36: these applications have been reviewed concurrently

01:18:11 Speaker 36: by county and municipal staff. The

01:18:13 Speaker 36: zoning proposal in front of Gray

01:18:15 Speaker 36: Highlands. at the moment would permit

01:18:16 Speaker 36: the proposed special event use as

01:18:18 Speaker 36: well as overnight guest accommodations. So

01:18:21 Speaker 36: that includes a maximum of five

01:18:22 Speaker 36: guest cabins, seven tent sites, accommodation

01:18:24 Speaker 36: for up to 14 guests in

01:18:26 Speaker 36: existing structures, and a total of

01:18:29 Speaker 36: 41 parking spaces. As Ms. Loft

01:18:32 Speaker 36: noted, there is already zoning permissions

01:18:35 Speaker 36: in effect for the health spa

01:18:38 Speaker 36: use on this property. Just looking

01:18:41 Speaker 36: at the Highland zoning bylaw, it

01:18:43 Speaker 36: doesn't seem that that's a particular

01:18:44 Speaker 36: It doesn't seem that that's a

01:18:46 Speaker 36: particularly well defined term within their

01:18:49 Speaker 36: zoning bylaw, but just noting, you

01:18:51 Speaker 36: know, it does have that existing

01:18:54 Speaker 36: kind of commercial permissions already in

01:18:56 Speaker 36: effect. The rationale for the OPA

01:18:57 Speaker 36: here, when we were looking at

01:18:59 Speaker 36: this file initially, we didn't have

01:19:01 Speaker 36: any policies in effect within our

01:19:04 Speaker 36: official plan to kind of give

01:19:06 Speaker 36: an easy response to whether or

01:19:10 Speaker 36: not this should be permitted or

01:19:11 Speaker 36: not, and we kind of had

01:19:13 Speaker 36: chatted internally about whether or not

01:19:16 Speaker 36: we could. squeak this under the

01:19:19 Speaker 36: definition of a resource-based recreational use,

01:19:21 Speaker 36: noting you know the the kind

01:19:22 Speaker 36: of rationale for connecting the event

01:19:25 Speaker 36: with the surrounding natural environment. Ultimately,

01:19:26 Speaker 36: county staff felt that this didn't

01:19:27 Speaker 36: quite meet the definition of a

01:19:29 Speaker 36: resource-based recreational use. We didn't feel

01:19:34 Speaker 36: that events, by their very nature,

01:19:37 Speaker 36: relied on access to the natural

01:19:39 Speaker 36: environment, and so we did request

01:19:41 Speaker 36: that a county official plan amendment

01:19:42 Speaker 36: just to. add an additional level

01:19:44 Speaker 36: of review to file. I would

01:19:47 Speaker 36: also note that that's a slightly

01:19:48 Speaker 36: different planning opinion than Great Highlands

01:19:49 Speaker 36: staff had the during the initial

01:19:51 Speaker 36: phases. So they did not request

01:19:55 Speaker 36: an official plan amendment to the

01:19:58 Speaker 36: Great Highlands official plan. So with

01:19:59 Speaker 36: some of the feedback that's come

01:20:00 Speaker 36: out of the public process, one

01:20:02 Speaker 36: of the main concerns were okay

01:20:05 Speaker 36: if you permit this event use

01:20:07 Speaker 36: now, you know. To use now,

01:20:09 Speaker 36: you know what are the chances

01:20:11 Speaker 36: that this is going to scale

01:20:12 Speaker 36: up in future, and so on

01:20:16 Speaker 36: the left side of the screen

01:20:18 Speaker 36: here is the original schedule A,

01:20:20 Speaker 36: and so you can see that

01:20:22 Speaker 36: that that a hatched red area

01:20:25 Speaker 36: towards the southern portion of the

01:20:27 Speaker 36: property there. So it was originally

01:20:31 Speaker 36: about two hectares in extent that

01:20:33 Speaker 36: we had kind of said, yeah,

01:20:36 Speaker 36: the the event venue space can

01:20:40 Speaker 36: can go in this general area,

01:20:42 Speaker 36: but as we really started honing

01:20:44 Speaker 36: in on some of those. public

01:20:46 Speaker 36: comments and really tightening up the

01:20:48 Speaker 36: definition of what actually falls within

01:20:51 Speaker 36: that category of a special event,

01:20:56 Speaker 36: we really wanted to hone in

01:20:58 Speaker 36: on you know what are the

01:21:00 Speaker 36: areas of the property where that

01:21:02 Speaker 36: event venue could could function and

01:21:05 Speaker 36: and would be covered with the

01:21:07 Speaker 36: OPA, and so we've scaled that

01:21:08 Speaker 36: back to one point zero five

01:21:10 Speaker 36: hectares, which is about half of

01:21:11 Speaker 36: of that original proposal that that

01:21:13 Speaker 36: had initially been circulated out to

01:21:15 Speaker 36: the public. The hangar area has

01:21:17 Speaker 36: also been excluded within that designation

01:21:19 Speaker 36: area, so all of that amplified

01:21:20 Speaker 36: sound would again be located within

01:21:22 Speaker 36: that enclosed hall structure. Just so

01:21:23 Speaker 36: we're on the same page, the

01:21:25 Speaker 36: wording for the special event venue

01:21:28 Speaker 36: within the current draft OPA is:

01:21:29 Speaker 36: so for the purposes of this

01:21:30 Speaker 36: use, a special event venue shall

01:21:34 Speaker 36: be limited to an event hall

01:21:36 Speaker 36: servicing area. Servicing areas, so including

01:21:38 Speaker 36: the septic system, toilet facilities, the

01:21:40 Speaker 36: parking area, swimming pool, and outdoor

01:21:44 Speaker 36: ceremony area. In terms of the

01:21:46 Speaker 36: development process and timeline, so this

01:21:49 Speaker 36: is again come up, understandably, by

01:21:51 Speaker 36: members of the public is is

01:21:52 Speaker 36: to say, you know, we, you

01:21:55 Speaker 36: know, Great Highlands is is approving

01:21:56 Speaker 36: something and county is approving something,

01:21:58 Speaker 36: but we don't understand really who's

01:21:59 Speaker 36: doing what and who's kind of

01:22:02 Speaker 36: responsible for what. So I just

01:22:05 Speaker 36: wanted to to to, you know,

01:22:08 Speaker 36: understandably, there's some complexity with the

01:22:10 Speaker 36: planning process, and I just wanted

01:22:13 Speaker 36: to take a moment to kind

01:22:15 Speaker 36: of talk through kind of what

01:22:16 Speaker 36: the process has been so far

01:22:18 Speaker 36: and what the remaining steps are

01:22:21 Speaker 36: in in this process. So probably,

01:22:22 Speaker 36: you know, more than two years

01:22:24 Speaker 36: ago, we started out with the

01:22:26 Speaker 36: pre consultation process, and I will

01:22:28 Speaker 36: acknowledge that there were some bylaw

01:22:30 Speaker 36: concerns with this property. I understand

01:22:32 Speaker 36: that the applicants, during the course

01:22:34 Speaker 36: of COVID, had had started operationalizing.

01:22:37 Speaker 36: the event venue without the proper

01:22:39 Speaker 36: permissions in place, and bylaw did

01:22:41 Speaker 36: get involved within Grey Highlands, and

01:22:43 Speaker 36: I don't sort of know the

01:22:44 Speaker 36: full specifics of that, but that

01:22:47 Speaker 36: was kind of when Miss Loft

01:22:49 Speaker 36: was involved, and and really we

01:22:52 Speaker 36: started to kind of hone in

01:22:54 Speaker 36: on a path of, okay, can

01:22:57 Speaker 36: we can we provide a route

01:22:59 Speaker 36: forward to to begin legalizing this

01:23:02 Speaker 36: use, and so in that respect,

01:23:04 Speaker 36: we're we are considering this as

01:23:07 Speaker 36: a new. use, you know, even

01:23:10 Speaker 36: though they've they've they may or

01:23:11 Speaker 36: may not have been running for

01:23:12 Speaker 36: a certain period of time, we're

01:23:13 Speaker 36: we're we don't kind of give

01:23:15 Speaker 36: credit to that. This is kind

01:23:17 Speaker 36: of we're we're talking about from

01:23:21 Speaker 36: the ground up here. We're considering

01:23:23 Speaker 36: this as as really a new

01:23:26 Speaker 36: use. So following the pre consultation

01:23:28 Speaker 36: process, which I identified that the

01:23:30 Speaker 36: types of studies that would be

01:23:34 Speaker 36: required, the applicant submitted a zoning

01:23:35 Speaker 36: bylaw to Gray Highlands, and county

01:23:39 Speaker 36: staff advised them that the official.

01:23:40 Speaker 36: plan amendment would be required as

01:23:42 Speaker 36: well, so they did submit an

01:23:44 Speaker 36: OPA to the county. The applications

01:23:47 Speaker 36: were deemed complete by both Gray

01:23:49 Speaker 36: County and the municipal. Sorry, Gray

01:23:52 Speaker 36: County and the municipality, and were

01:23:55 Speaker 36: circulated to all neighbours. The Planning

01:23:57 Speaker 36: Act stipulates that all neighbours within

01:24:00 Speaker 36: 120 metres of the property should

01:24:03 Speaker 36: be notified. We actually took it

01:24:05 Speaker 36: upon ourselves to increase that circulation

01:24:08 Speaker 36: to to double that to 240

01:24:11 Speaker 36: metres. To two hundred and forty

01:24:13 Speaker 36: metres. Just noting that this is

01:24:15 Speaker 36: something that you know neighbours are

01:24:17 Speaker 36: are going to want to have

01:24:20 Speaker 36: a say on, and and I

01:24:22 Speaker 36: felt that that was important to

01:24:25 Speaker 36: make it known that this application

01:24:27 Speaker 36: was occurring. We had lots of

01:24:32 Speaker 36: comments that were received during that

01:24:34 Speaker 36: commenting period. We did have a

01:24:38 Speaker 36: public meeting, and since that public

01:24:39 Speaker 36: meeting, the applicants have been working

01:24:40 Speaker 36: to redefine that application and the

01:24:44 Speaker 36: proposal of of what's being put

01:24:46 Speaker 36: forward here today. We're here today.

01:24:48 Speaker 36: Eventually, we got to a point

01:24:50 Speaker 36: where we had felt, you know,

01:24:52 Speaker 36: to the best of the applicant's

01:24:53 Speaker 36: capacity and our capacity, we have

01:24:56 Speaker 36: reasonably addressed those most of those

01:24:58 Speaker 36: public comments and concerns. A staff

01:25:02 Speaker 36: report was prepared by the Gray

01:25:04 Speaker 36: Highlands planner. It was brought to

01:25:06 Speaker 36: Gray Highlands Council for a recommendation

01:25:08 Speaker 36: on whether to support the county

01:25:10 Speaker 36: official plan amendment. That was ultimately

01:25:12 Speaker 36: a lost vote by. Gray Highlands.

01:25:14 Speaker 36: No further resolution was provided to

01:25:16 Speaker 36: County Council or staff at that

01:25:20 Speaker 36: stage. But just noting that it

01:25:23 Speaker 36: would appear that Gray Highlands did

01:25:25 Speaker 36: not support the OPA at that

01:25:27 Speaker 36: stage. So here we are today

01:25:29 Speaker 36: in front of County Council. We

01:25:32 Speaker 36: are looking for how to move

01:25:36 Speaker 36: forward with this application. Following any

01:25:37 Speaker 36: decision today, it would come forward

01:25:39 Speaker 36: for a future. decision on the

01:25:41 Speaker 36: OPA bylaw, and it would still

01:25:43 Speaker 36: need to go back to Grey

01:25:46 Speaker 36: Highlands for a decision on the

01:25:47 Speaker 36: zoning bylaw amendment. Following all the

01:25:50 Speaker 36: appeal periods, the applicant would then

01:25:51 Speaker 36: have to go through a site

01:25:54 Speaker 36: plan approval process, where we would

01:25:57 Speaker 36: come up with conditions that would

01:26:01 Speaker 36: need to be put in place

01:26:03 Speaker 36: for, with regards to the site

01:26:06 Speaker 36: design and operationalization, and only after

01:26:09 Speaker 36: that has been. signed and sealed

01:26:11 Speaker 36: and put in place, that the

01:26:12 Speaker 36: applicants would then have the opportunity

01:26:16 Speaker 36: to apply for building permits. And

01:26:18 Speaker 36: from my understanding, that includes any

01:26:19 Speaker 36: retroactive building permits that would be

01:26:23 Speaker 36: required to permit some of these

01:26:25 Speaker 36: structures that were built without a

01:26:26 Speaker 36: building permit. So, in terms of

01:26:29 Speaker 36: supporting work, we have received a

01:26:31 Speaker 36: planning justification report, a servicing study,

01:26:33 Speaker 36: a noise study, which, as Christine

01:26:35 Speaker 36: noted, included a peer review process.

01:26:38 Speaker 36: as well as an environmental impact

01:26:39 Speaker 36: study. Christine also took you through

01:26:40 Speaker 36: a few photos of the property,

01:26:43 Speaker 36: but just to reiterate, here are

01:26:45 Speaker 36: a few. So we've got the

01:26:47 Speaker 36: single detached dwelling in the top

01:26:52 Speaker 36: top photo on the right. We've

01:26:54 Speaker 36: got some of those tent platforms

01:26:58 Speaker 36: that existed during the time of

01:26:59 Speaker 36: a site visit. In the bottom

01:27:01 Speaker 36: left is kind of one of

01:27:02 Speaker 36: those glamping cabin slash tent facilities.

01:27:06 Speaker 36: so everything is is mostly movable

01:27:09 Speaker 36: and and kind of temporary in

01:27:10 Speaker 36: nature. I do understand that some

01:27:11 Speaker 36: of these structures may have been

01:27:14 Speaker 36: built within that required setback in

01:27:16 Speaker 36: terms of zoning, and so these

01:27:18 Speaker 36: would be relocated should this move

01:27:20 Speaker 36: forward and as as a requirement

01:27:21 Speaker 36: of the site plan process and

01:27:24 Speaker 36: the zoning process. So the

01:27:25 Speaker 36: bottom left is a picture of

01:27:28 Speaker 36: the inside of the hall structure.

01:27:30 Speaker 36: So it is. fully enclosed, but

01:27:34 Speaker 36: there are sliding doors that go

01:27:35 Speaker 36: up and down to offer guests

01:27:38 Speaker 36: the opportunity to access the outside

01:27:40 Speaker 36: space. Those would be closed at

01:27:40 Speaker 36: a certain time in the evening

01:27:42 Speaker 36: to make sure that all noise

01:27:45 Speaker 36: is contained within the structure. On

01:27:46 Speaker 36: the left side, there they they

01:27:50 Speaker 36: are proposing a a small outdoor

01:27:52 Speaker 36: ceremony area within the forested area,

01:27:55 Speaker 36: and there's just some pictures of

01:27:58 Speaker 36: the parking area. So, if we

01:27:59 Speaker 36: go back to basics of under

01:28:01 Speaker 36: the Planning Act, you know, of

01:28:05 Speaker 36: course we look at all of

01:28:07 Speaker 36: these areas of public interest or

01:28:08 Speaker 36: provincial interest, I should say. But

01:28:10 Speaker 36: I've highlighted a few that I

01:28:12 Speaker 36: think are most important to speak

01:28:13 Speaker 36: to today. So, the protection of

01:28:15 Speaker 36: ecological systems, including natural areas, features,

01:28:16 Speaker 36: and functions, as noted, there's a

01:28:19 Speaker 36: lot of natural heritage on and

01:28:20 Speaker 36: around this property, and so this

01:28:23 Speaker 36: was a core concern for

01:28:25 Speaker 36: us. We did request that environment.

01:28:27 Speaker 36: We did request that environmental impact

01:28:29 Speaker 36: study from the beginning. Part of

01:28:31 Speaker 36: the review for that was was

01:28:34 Speaker 36: making sure noise impacts were were

01:28:37 Speaker 36: reviewed as as part of that

01:28:38 Speaker 36: study as well, and potential impacts

01:28:39 Speaker 36: on on on on wildlife habitat

01:28:42 Speaker 36: as well. So we you know

01:28:44 Speaker 36: we've got our human neighbours, but

01:28:46 Speaker 36: we've also got our our our

01:28:48 Speaker 36: animal neighbours, and and that's that's

01:28:50 Speaker 36: part of something we need to

01:28:52 Speaker 36: consider as planners. H point one

01:28:55 Speaker 36: I was the adequate provision and

01:28:56 Speaker 36: distribution of educational health. social, cultural,

01:28:58 Speaker 36: cultural, and recreational facilities. So I

01:29:00 Speaker 36: think you know the Planning Act

01:29:02 Speaker 36: really recognizes we we do need

01:29:04 Speaker 36: these spaces for our cultural celebrations

01:29:05 Speaker 36: and and you know that's important.

01:29:07 Speaker 36: And I'm sure there's a moment

01:29:09 Speaker 36: in everyone's lives where you've wanted

01:29:11 Speaker 36: or or needed to go to

01:29:12 Speaker 36: a facility of this type of

01:29:14 Speaker 36: nature. And so there's always a

01:29:16 Speaker 36: question of where do we put

01:29:18 Speaker 36: these and what's the best opportunity

01:29:19 Speaker 36: for them. K is the adequate

01:29:22 Speaker 36: provision of employment opportunities and. you

01:29:23 Speaker 36: know, it's not like we're creating

01:29:26 Speaker 36: twenty full-time opportunities for work here,

01:29:29 Speaker 36: but there are a lot of

01:29:32 Speaker 36: knock-on opportunities for small-scale entrepreneurs involved

01:29:34 Speaker 36: in the event industry, whether it's

01:29:35 Speaker 36: caterers or musicians or event planners.

01:29:37 Speaker 36: Those are all part of our

01:29:39 Speaker 36: rural economy and needs to be

01:29:41 Speaker 36: considered here as well. And finally,

01:29:44 Speaker 36: just the appropriate location of growth

01:29:45 Speaker 36: and development. I think this is

01:29:47 Speaker 36: the core consideration here: is is

01:29:49 Speaker 36: is this a good

01:29:52 Speaker 36: place for this type of development?

01:29:55 Speaker 36: and you know, I rack my

01:29:57 Speaker 36: mind, asking myself, where is the

01:29:58 Speaker 36: best location for this type of

01:30:01 Speaker 36: development? You know, if we put

01:30:03 Speaker 36: it in our settlement area, we're

01:30:06 Speaker 36: going to get lots of neighbours

01:30:08 Speaker 36: that are upset about that. If

01:30:10 Speaker 36: we put it in our agricultural

01:30:14 Speaker 36: areas, it's taking away from our

01:30:17 Speaker 36: agricultural land. If we put in

01:30:19 Speaker 36: our rural areas, you know, it's

01:30:22 Speaker 36: it's not great from a natural

01:30:24 Speaker 36: heritage perspective. If we put in

01:30:26 Speaker 36: our industrial areas, no one really

01:30:29 Speaker 36: wants to celebrate there. So you

01:30:32 Speaker 36: know, there's not all. So you

01:30:33 Speaker 36: know, there's not always a great

01:30:35 Speaker 36: a great answer to this, and

01:30:37 Speaker 36: it's something that we we really

01:30:38 Speaker 36: worked through on this file.

01:30:40 Speaker 36: So under the provincial planning statement,

01:30:43 Speaker 36: the PPS supports resource-based recreational uses

01:30:45 Speaker 36: in rural areas. Again, staff felt

01:30:48 Speaker 36: that this wasn't quite a good

01:30:50 Speaker 36: fit for this particular land use,

01:30:53 Speaker 36: and so we looked more at

01:30:56 Speaker 36: other rural land uses as a

01:30:58 Speaker 36: category that we were investigating. So

01:31:00 Speaker 36: you know, as part of under

01:31:01 Speaker 36: the PPS, we are required to

01:31:03 Speaker 36: evaluate the impacts. on agricultural operations,

01:31:05 Speaker 36: natural heritage, servicing considerations, traffic impacts,

01:31:08 Speaker 36: and you know this is not

01:31:11 Speaker 36: an agricultural area. There's really no

01:31:13 Speaker 36: prime ag lands around here. There's

01:31:15 Speaker 36: there's there's few or no agricultural

01:31:16 Speaker 36: operations because it really is more

01:31:20 Speaker 36: of a a rural forested area.

01:31:22 Speaker 36: And you know those those other

01:31:24 Speaker 36: aspects have have certainly been investigated

01:31:26 Speaker 36: throughout this process as well. And

01:31:28 Speaker 36: under the Gray County Official Plan.

01:31:30 Speaker 36: So at the time OPA 22

01:31:34 Speaker 36: was submitted, again there weren't a

01:31:35 Speaker 36: lot of policies kind of in

01:31:39 Speaker 36: place that that had a natural

01:31:41 Speaker 36: way of of framing this event

01:31:43 Speaker 36: use or under the county's official

01:31:47 Speaker 36: plan. Again, we didn't feel it

01:31:49 Speaker 36: was a great fit under the

01:31:50 Speaker 36: resource-based recreational use policies. So we

01:31:52 Speaker 36: largely did rely on a lot

01:31:55 Speaker 36: of those overarching policies from the

01:31:58 Speaker 36: provincial planning statement to to kind

01:32:00 Speaker 36: of frame how or why this.

01:32:02 Speaker 36: should be used here. I did.

01:32:06 Speaker 36: I will note that in May

01:32:08 Speaker 36: 2025, County Council did approve OPA

01:32:10 Speaker 36: 23, which would permit a small-scale

01:32:15 Speaker 36: special event venue up to 0.8

01:32:18 Speaker 36: hectares on a property of this

01:32:20 Speaker 36: size without the need for a

01:32:22 Speaker 36: county OPA. The zoning bylaw amendment

01:32:24 Speaker 36: and probably site plan application would

01:32:27 Speaker 36: still be required. The current proposal

01:32:29 Speaker 36: is slightly larger, being 1.05 hectares,

01:32:31 Speaker 36: and must be justified based on

01:32:33 Speaker 36: the county. official plan policies in

01:32:37 Speaker 36: effect at the time of submission,

01:32:39 Speaker 36: which was in 2024, so we're

01:32:40 Speaker 36: not judging this application based on

01:32:44 Speaker 36: our current policies. But I do

01:32:46 Speaker 36: think it's worth noting, you know,

01:32:47 Speaker 36: that we have made a collective

01:32:50 Speaker 36: decision that we're in favour of

01:32:52 Speaker 36: locating smaller event venues somewhere, and

01:32:54 Speaker 36: so I just wanted to point

01:32:56 Speaker 36: that out for for council's reference.

01:32:59 Speaker 36: So in terms of comments received,

01:33:01 Speaker 36: so I had. I went through

01:33:02 Speaker 36: everything again yesterday and tried to

01:33:06 Speaker 36: figure out just the whole chain

01:33:08 Speaker 36: of events in terms of comments

01:33:10 Speaker 36: that have received so so far

01:33:11 Speaker 36: we've received about 21 comments from

01:33:13 Speaker 36: or sorry comments from 21 households

01:33:16 Speaker 36: that oppose or raise concerns about

01:33:17 Speaker 36: the proposed development most of these

01:33:19 Speaker 36: are neighbours on surrounding lands occasionally

01:33:21 Speaker 36: you know two members from one

01:33:24 Speaker 36: household will have provided comments through

01:33:26 Speaker 36: separate comment letters. We've also received

01:33:28 Speaker 36: twelve comments in support of the

01:33:32 Speaker 36: proposed development. Seven of those being

01:33:34 Speaker 36: from local businesses, four from friends

01:33:37 Speaker 36: or supporters of the applicant, and

01:33:39 Speaker 36: one from a community organisation. We

01:33:41 Speaker 36: did have one more neutral comment

01:33:43 Speaker 36: asking questions only, as well as

01:33:44 Speaker 36: two agency comments being Ray Sable

01:33:47 Speaker 36: and Bridge Gas. The key concern

01:33:49 Speaker 36: that we've heard over and over

01:33:51 Speaker 36: in virtual Heard over and over

01:33:52 Speaker 36: in virtually all the comments we

01:33:55 Speaker 36: received were with regard to noise.

01:33:57 Speaker 36: People were concerned about the impact

01:34:00 Speaker 36: of noise on their quality of

01:34:02 Speaker 36: life, impact of noise on wildlife

01:34:03 Speaker 36: habitat. They had questions and concerns

01:34:06 Speaker 36: about exemptions to the noise bylaw,

01:34:08 Speaker 36: which is being considered under the

01:34:10 Speaker 36: zoning bylaw for Great Highlands. The

01:34:12 Speaker 36: late hours and frequency of noisy

01:34:15 Speaker 36: events, and concerns just about who

01:34:18 Speaker 36: will be monitoring the noise and

01:34:20 Speaker 36: how. Staff certainly recognize. these are

01:34:22 Speaker 36: very valid questions and concerns, and

01:34:24 Speaker 36: certainly, if I were a neighbour

01:34:25 Speaker 36: living beside this event venue, I

01:34:28 Speaker 36: would have these same questions and

01:34:29 Speaker 36: concerns. So, in response to that,

01:34:34 Speaker 36: of course, we did request that

01:34:35 Speaker 36: noise assessment be done from the

01:34:37 Speaker 36: very beginning. We did also undertake

01:34:39 Speaker 36: a third-party peer review process of

01:34:40 Speaker 36: that noise assessment. The peer review

01:34:41 Speaker 36: process did make some recommendations, which

01:34:43 Speaker 36: have been implemented by the applicants

01:34:45 Speaker 36: through a revised submission. but some

01:34:47 Speaker 36: of the mitigation member measures that

01:34:50 Speaker 36: will be taken include limiting larger

01:34:52 Speaker 36: events up to twelve times per

01:34:55 Speaker 36: year, which again is would be

01:34:59 Speaker 36: within the zoning bylaw, maintaining all

01:35:03 Speaker 36: amplified noise within the hall structure,

01:35:04 Speaker 36: which you know is a permanent

01:35:07 Speaker 36: structure. We're not talking a tent

01:35:09 Speaker 36: or anything like that. Noise levels

01:35:11 Speaker 36: would be actively monitored at all

01:35:15 Speaker 36: times using a decibel monitor on

01:35:17 Speaker 36: site. The owners or their delegates

01:35:20 Speaker 36: would be on site during all

01:35:21 Speaker 36: events, making sure that noise is

01:35:23 Speaker 36: monitored. The special the special event

01:35:26 Speaker 36: area is located in a central

01:35:29 Speaker 36: portion of the property, away from

01:35:30 Speaker 36: neighbouring residences to the west. The

01:35:31 Speaker 36: EIS again, through an addendum, evaluated

01:35:34 Speaker 36: noise impacts on wildlife, and there

01:35:37 Speaker 36: is still the opportunity to look

01:35:40 Speaker 36: at additional buffering that could be

01:35:41 Speaker 36: explored through a future site plan

01:35:45 Speaker 36: application, if that's something that we

01:35:48 Speaker 36: could consider in relation to those

01:35:49 Speaker 36: neighbours to the west. Another concern

01:35:51 Speaker 36: was just about kind of the

01:35:52 Speaker 36: concept of the event use itself.

01:35:54 Speaker 36: So again, whether or not this

01:35:57 Speaker 36: is a good space for an

01:35:59 Speaker 36: event venue, whether it meets the

01:36:02 Speaker 36: character of the area and the

01:36:04 Speaker 36: criteria for a resource-based recreational use,

01:36:08 Speaker 36: there were concerns about scaling up

01:36:11 Speaker 36: in future. So you know, staff

01:36:13 Speaker 36: in general, where we get requests

01:36:16 Speaker 36: a lot for event venue types

01:36:19 Speaker 36: of facilities or or glamping types

01:36:21 Speaker 36: of venues, people like to. experience

01:36:22 Speaker 36: our natural environment, and in Gray

01:36:25 Speaker 36: County, we're very lucky to have

01:36:27 Speaker 36: the natural environment at our fingertips,

01:36:29 Speaker 36: which not everyone has. And so,

01:36:32 Speaker 36: this is a destination area. Again,

01:36:34 Speaker 36: noting this property does already have

01:36:37 Speaker 36: zoning permissions in place for

01:36:41 Speaker 36: a health spa. There is a

01:36:43 Speaker 36: need, of course, to balance the

01:36:46 Speaker 36: financial viability of a potential business,

01:36:48 Speaker 36: you know, versus impacts to neighbours.

01:36:50 Speaker 36: So, you know, we need to

01:36:53 Speaker 36: think. if we are limiting the

01:36:55 Speaker 36: number of events per year, what

01:36:57 Speaker 36: is that number that triggers that

01:37:00 Speaker 36: you know viability of the business

01:37:02 Speaker 36: versus this is not a number

01:37:03 Speaker 36: that the business is actually sustainable

01:37:06 Speaker 36: at. The existing hall, dwelling, and

01:37:09 Speaker 36: structures would all be located back

01:37:12 Speaker 36: from the road, so they did

01:37:14 Speaker 36: not visually detract from the rural

01:37:16 Speaker 36: nature of the area, kind of

01:37:17 Speaker 36: from an aesthetics perspective. And again,

01:37:22 Speaker 36: the OPA Schedule A has really

01:37:24 Speaker 36: been limited. PA Schedule A has

01:37:26 Speaker 36: really been limited in scale and

01:37:28 Speaker 36: scope to to situate that event

01:37:29 Speaker 36: venue area in the middle portion

01:37:32 Speaker 36: of the property only. With regards

01:37:35 Speaker 36: to site layout, there were concerns

01:37:37 Speaker 36: about the potential for trespassing of

01:37:39 Speaker 36: guests using the trail systems, concerns

01:37:41 Speaker 36: about existing structures built too close

01:37:43 Speaker 36: to property boundaries, and concerns that

01:37:46 Speaker 36: the camping area would be located

01:37:46 Speaker 36: too close to neighbouring properties. So

01:37:49 Speaker 36: again, a site plan application would

01:37:51 Speaker 36: follow approval of the OPA and

01:37:53 Speaker 36: ZBA, and many of these concerns,

01:37:56 Speaker 36: particularly around where guests can and

01:37:59 Speaker 36: cannot go, can can be likely

01:38:01 Speaker 36: addressed through signage, setbacks, buffering, fencing.

01:38:02 Speaker 36: So I think you know there

01:38:04 Speaker 36: are things that that we can

01:38:07 Speaker 36: do to to sign to regulate

01:38:10 Speaker 36: some of that guest behaviour. The

01:38:13 Speaker 36: applicants have not requested at this

01:38:17 Speaker 36: stage any sort of departure from

01:38:20 Speaker 36: the. established zoning setbacks. So I

01:38:23 Speaker 36: believe the established zoning setback is

01:38:25 Speaker 36: 15 metres. So any structures would

01:38:27 Speaker 36: need to be located at least

01:38:31 Speaker 36: 15 metres from that neighbouring property

01:38:33 Speaker 36: line. If there are any existing

01:38:34 Speaker 36: tent structures that are located closer

01:38:37 Speaker 36: to that that were constructed without

01:38:39 Speaker 36: permits, those would need to be

01:38:41 Speaker 36: removed. And and they, my understanding

01:38:43 Speaker 36: is they will be removed. With

01:38:47 Speaker 36: regards to site servicing, so. there

01:38:48 Speaker 36: were questions, concerns about the existing

01:38:51 Speaker 36: capacity of the septic system on

01:38:54 Speaker 36: site. They were quite old, from

01:38:56 Speaker 36: the 60s or 70s. There was

01:38:58 Speaker 36: concerns about impact to Lake Lake

01:39:00 Speaker 36: Eugenia waters. There were concerns about

01:39:03 Speaker 36: the portable toilets being used for

01:39:04 Speaker 36: three years. Questions of waste collection,

01:39:06 Speaker 36: and and just the combined servicing

01:39:08 Speaker 36: impact of the glamping site across

01:39:13 Speaker 36: the road. So again, I think

01:39:15 Speaker 36: these are all very valid concerns,

01:39:17 Speaker 36: and staff raised some of the

01:39:21 Speaker 36: same questions. The servicing study does.

01:39:23 Speaker 36: confirm that all existing septic systems

01:39:26 Speaker 36: on site are over capacity at

01:39:27 Speaker 36: the moment, and that this a

01:39:30 Speaker 36: centralized septic system should really be

01:39:33 Speaker 36: used and put in place. And

01:39:35 Speaker 36: that's what the servicing study has

01:39:38 Speaker 36: recommended. The applicants, acknowledging you know

01:39:40 Speaker 36: the expense expenses of putting together

01:39:42 Speaker 36: a business of this nature, have

01:39:45 Speaker 36: requested a deferral of the requirement

01:39:46 Speaker 36: for establishing that larger septic. system

01:39:48 Speaker 36: for a period of three years,

01:39:49 Speaker 36: and during that interim period, they

01:39:53 Speaker 36: would use portable toilet facilities. Staff

01:39:55 Speaker 36: have had a lot of conversations

01:39:57 Speaker 36: about this and whether or not

01:40:00 Speaker 36: this is the correct approach or

01:40:02 Speaker 36: not. The applicants have suggested

01:40:05 Speaker 36: that they would enter into a

01:40:08 Speaker 36: servicing agreement through a site plan

01:40:11 Speaker 36: agreement approach. They would also offer

01:40:13 Speaker 36: securities to the municipality to ensure,

01:40:15 Speaker 36: after a period of three years,

01:40:17 Speaker 36: that Sure, after a period of

01:40:19 Speaker 36: three years, that this this septic

01:40:22 Speaker 36: system could be constructed, and so

01:40:24 Speaker 36: ultimately, although it's not kind of

01:40:27 Speaker 36: the run of the mill servicing

01:40:30 Speaker 36: solution, staff do feel that we

01:40:32 Speaker 36: could support this approach, provided that

01:40:33 Speaker 36: the framing within that site plan

01:40:36 Speaker 36: agreement is in place to ensure

01:40:39 Speaker 36: that septic system is built within

01:40:41 Speaker 36: that three year time. Again, with

01:40:45 Speaker 36: regards to traffic, individuals had a

01:40:49 Speaker 36: number of questions and concerns around

01:40:51 Speaker 36: traffic on. concession B. It is

01:40:53 Speaker 36: a paved municipal road. It has

01:40:55 Speaker 36: good sightlines. Grey Highlands staff did

01:40:58 Speaker 36: not see the need for a

01:41:00 Speaker 36: traffic impact study here, given the

01:41:02 Speaker 36: volume of of cars. Again, there

01:41:06 Speaker 36: are only forty one parking spaces

01:41:08 Speaker 36: on the site, so we don't

01:41:10 Speaker 36: perceive this as being a generation,

01:41:12 Speaker 36: direct generating a large volume of

01:41:13 Speaker 36: traffic. As noted, there are some

01:41:17 Speaker 36: nearby accommodations where guests may be

01:41:20 Speaker 36: able to use. just to minimize

01:41:22 Speaker 36: the amount of traffic that would

01:41:24 Speaker 36: be coming to the site. With

01:41:26 Speaker 36: regards to impact to nature, again,

01:41:29 Speaker 36: I did talk quite a bit

01:41:30 Speaker 36: about this already, but guests or

01:41:34 Speaker 36: individuals were concerned about impact to

01:41:36 Speaker 36: our wooded areas, wetlands, wildlife habitat,

01:41:39 Speaker 36: water contamination, guest behaviour related to

01:41:40 Speaker 36: the natural environment, the potential for

01:41:41 Speaker 36: accidental fires. So again, the EIS

01:41:43 Speaker 36: has been undertaken a whole. Undertaken,

01:41:45 Speaker 36: holding provision does remain in effect

01:41:48 Speaker 36: for most of the property, so

01:41:50 Speaker 36: that no further development would be

01:41:52 Speaker 36: permitted without further amendments to that

01:41:54 Speaker 36: environmental impact study. The EIS has

01:41:57 Speaker 36: been reviewed by our ecology staff.

01:41:59 Speaker 36: Fires will only be permitted within

01:42:01 Speaker 36: designated areas, and the owners have

01:42:02 Speaker 36: developed an event policy manual outlining

01:42:05 Speaker 36: rules and expectations for guests. Which

01:42:08 Speaker 36: again, some of those elements can

01:42:10 Speaker 36: be implemented through a site plan

01:42:11 Speaker 36: agreement. and some just general comments.

01:42:14 Speaker 36: Again, mostly related to kind of

01:42:16 Speaker 36: previous bylaw infractions on the site

01:42:19 Speaker 36: and whether these individuals should be

01:42:22 Speaker 36: given another chance. So, as noted

01:42:26 Speaker 36: at the beginning, staff are really

01:42:29 Speaker 36: treating this as a new application.

01:42:30 Speaker 36: Any structures that were built prior

01:42:32 Speaker 36: to approval without a building permit

01:42:34 Speaker 36: will be required to get retroactive

01:42:36 Speaker 36: building permits. Some of those structures

01:42:37 Speaker 36: are likely going to need to

01:42:39 Speaker 36: be relocated to conform to zoning

01:42:43 Speaker 36: bylaw requirements. So again, you know,

01:42:46 Speaker 36: I think certainly the applicants have

01:42:49 Speaker 36: have had a change of course

01:42:52 Speaker 36: throughout the the process of of

01:42:53 Speaker 36: putting together this application. But there

01:42:54 Speaker 36: is the expectation that all of

01:42:57 Speaker 36: those things would need to conform

01:43:00 Speaker 36: and and and and yes. So

01:43:03 Speaker 36: that's that's sort of how we've

01:43:05 Speaker 36: been dealing with that. Okay. And

01:43:08 Speaker 36: so we did get some supportive.

01:43:12 Speaker 36: comments as well, and I'll go

01:43:14 Speaker 36: through these quite quickly. But from

01:43:15 Speaker 36: an economic development perspective, we did

01:43:18 Speaker 36: hear from from local businesses looking

01:43:20 Speaker 36: for partnership opportunities with the event

01:43:23 Speaker 36: venue, suggesting you know there is

01:43:26 Speaker 36: a demand for eco retreats within

01:43:30 Speaker 36: the area, especially event venues

01:43:32 Speaker 36: that offer that offer both the

01:43:34 Speaker 36: guest accommodation and the event function

01:43:36 Speaker 36: space as well. So there was

01:43:39 Speaker 36: some general support there. From the

01:43:41 Speaker 36: natural environment, people felt it was

01:43:43 Speaker 36: a balanced approach. to kind of

01:43:45 Speaker 36: having the event venue within a

01:43:48 Speaker 36: limited area and and allowing guests

01:43:50 Speaker 36: to to use existing pathways throughout

01:43:53 Speaker 36: the forested areas to to be

01:43:55 Speaker 36: able to immerse themselves in nature

01:43:56 Speaker 36: as well. Just some general comments.

01:43:59 Speaker 36: One of the applicant, you know,

01:44:01 Speaker 36: does have some chronic health issues

01:44:04 Speaker 36: that she's been dealing with herself.

01:44:05 Speaker 36: So there was some suggestions from

01:44:06 Speaker 36: the app or from members of

01:44:09 Speaker 36: the public that she would be

01:44:12 Speaker 36: a good representative. here and would

01:44:14 Speaker 36: be able to to do to

01:44:16 Speaker 36: to make people feel comfortable in

01:44:18 Speaker 36: this type of environment. With regards

01:44:20 Speaker 36: to agency comments, no significant

01:44:23 Speaker 36: concerns from Gray Sauble, noting nothing

01:44:26 Speaker 36: should be located within the hazard

01:44:28 Speaker 36: lands, and permits will be required

01:44:30 Speaker 36: within the regulated area. And Bridge

01:44:32 Speaker 36: Gas had no concerns. As noted,

01:44:34 Speaker 36: the municipality of Gray Highlands planner

01:44:36 Speaker 36: recommended support for the county OPA.

01:44:37 Speaker 36: Report for the County OPA, but

01:44:39 Speaker 36: during their June 18, 2025, Council

01:44:41 Speaker 36: meeting, the motion to support the

01:44:44 Speaker 36: OPA 22 based on the staff

01:44:47 Speaker 36: recommendation resulted in a lost vote

01:44:49 Speaker 36: by Council. There, no further resolution

01:44:54 Speaker 36: or motion was passed at that

01:44:57 Speaker 36: stage. So, just in summary, what

01:44:59 Speaker 36: we heard and the impact to

01:45:04 Speaker 36: the application. So, overall, during our

01:45:06 Speaker 36: pre-consultation discussions, as Christine noted, they

01:45:09 Speaker 36: had originally wanted. to have 150

01:45:10 Speaker 37: guests at any time. This has

01:45:13 Speaker 37: changed to 95 guests up to

01:45:17 Speaker 37: 12 times per year, or 50

01:45:19 Speaker 37: at any time. Again, the hours

01:45:20 Speaker 37: of operation were originally any time

01:45:22 Speaker 37: until midnight. This has been reduced

01:45:23 Speaker 37: to 11:30 on weekends and 11:00

01:45:25 Speaker 37: p.m. on weekdays. The OPA area

01:45:26 Speaker 37: has been adjusted from over two

01:45:28 Speaker 37: hectares to 1.05 hectares to prevent

01:45:29 Speaker 37: scaling up in the future without

01:45:32 Speaker 37: a further county official plan amendment.

01:45:34 Speaker 37: The historic hangar will not be

01:45:36 Speaker 37: used for events and has been

01:45:38 Speaker 37: excluded from the special event venue

01:45:40 Speaker 37: area. Meaning, all amplified noise will

01:45:42 Speaker 38: be located within the hall structure.

01:45:45 Speaker 38: The applicants will undertake a servicing

01:45:48 Speaker 38: agreement and an operational agreement, which

01:45:49 Speaker 38: will include noise monitoring through a

01:45:53 Speaker 38: future site plan approval process. All

01:45:55 Speaker 38: non-complying structures will be removed or

01:45:57 Speaker 38: relocated. All existing and new structures

01:46:01 Speaker 38: shall conform to the zoning bylaw

01:46:04 Speaker 38: setbacks and Ontario Building Code. and

01:46:07 Speaker 38: again, noise monitoring will occur at

01:46:10 Speaker 38: all events. The owners or their

01:46:12 Speaker 38: constituents will be on site at

01:46:16 Speaker 38: all times, and have created an

01:46:20 Speaker 38: event rules document to be enforced

01:46:22 Speaker 38: for all guests under contract through

01:46:25 Speaker 38: the guests. So, with that in

01:46:26 Speaker 36: mind, we do recommend that this

01:46:29 Speaker 36: report be received, and that council

01:46:31 Speaker 36: support the staff recommendation and direct

01:46:34 Speaker 36: staff to prepare a bylaw for

01:46:35 Speaker 36: approval by County Council. Thank you.

01:46:37 Speaker 36: Okay, thank you very much, Miss

01:46:39 Speaker 36: Hillier. So that allows us to

01:46:41 Speaker 36: put it out to committee, the

01:46:44 Speaker 36: whole members for questions and comments.

01:46:45 Speaker 36: And I guess, I, I guess

01:46:48 Speaker 36: perhaps, Madam Clerk, if we clear

01:46:49 Speaker 36: the screen so we can see

01:46:51 Speaker 36: who's virtual as well. But perhaps

01:46:52 Speaker 36: if there is a specific item

01:46:54 Speaker 36: that somebody has a question to,

01:46:58 Speaker 36: we might need to call your

01:46:59 Speaker 36: presentation material back up again. Okay.

01:47:00 Speaker 36: so with that, I'm going to

01:47:02 Speaker 36: look. I'm going to begin with

01:47:03 Speaker 36: Councillor Greg. Thank you, and I'd

01:47:05 Speaker 36: like to ask two questions before

01:47:08 Speaker 36: speaking to the item again in

01:47:10 Speaker 36: the future. But two specific questions,

01:47:12 Speaker 36: if I could have answered, please.

01:47:13 Speaker 36: One of the deputations spoke to

01:47:15 Speaker 39: the noise study being simulated rather

01:47:18 Speaker 39: than technical. I'm wondering if if

01:47:20 Speaker 39: staff can address this that comment

01:47:22 Speaker 39: from a presenter as well. What

01:47:24 Speaker 39: is the penalty within the zone?

01:47:25 Speaker 39: Penalty within the zoning bylaw on

01:47:27 Speaker 39: violations. What is the the fine

01:47:29 Speaker 39: process, the amount, and how is

01:47:32 Speaker 39: it applied? And through which municipality

01:47:34 Speaker 39: does enforcement? I presume Grey Highlands,

01:47:37 Speaker 39: but the matter is before us

01:47:39 Speaker 39: in this report. Okay, so I'll

01:47:40 Speaker 40: put that question to staff. Yeah,

01:47:44 Speaker 40: thank you for those questions. With

01:47:45 Speaker 40: regards to the noise study, that's

01:47:49 Speaker 40: that. The noise study—that's that's a

01:47:55 Speaker 40: good question. So, I'm not—I'm not

01:47:59 Speaker 40: actually sure about that. I'm—I—I'm not

01:48:01 Speaker 40: a noise study expert, and which

01:48:03 Speaker 40: was the reason why we had

01:48:04 Speaker 36: it peer reviewed. To be honest,

01:48:07 Speaker 36: it was one of the cleaner

01:48:09 Speaker 36: peer reviews that I've ever seen.

01:48:12 Speaker 36: You know, it did recommend a

01:48:13 Speaker 36: few small changes or additions to

01:48:14 Speaker 36: some of the work that was

01:48:17 Speaker 36: done. But yeah, I—I'm not sure,

01:48:19 Speaker 36: and that it's a good question,

01:48:22 Speaker 36: but I would have to double

01:48:25 Speaker 36: check on that. Okay, and I

01:48:26 Speaker 36: do see. Director Taylor has raised

01:48:28 Speaker 36: his hand. Sorry, through you, Madam

01:48:30 Speaker 36: Warden, just to build on what

01:48:32 Speaker 36: Becky said. Most noise studies that

01:48:34 Speaker 36: we deal with, particularly for any

01:48:36 Speaker 36: kind of concert or event venue

01:48:39 Speaker 36: use, are almost always simulated, simply

01:48:40 Speaker 36: because they don't have permission to

01:48:42 Speaker 36: be operating the events just yet.

01:48:44 Speaker 36: When we're dealing with an industrial

01:48:46 Speaker 36: noise study where we know, you

01:48:47 Speaker 36: know, a widget making machine operates

01:48:50 Speaker 36: in thirty other facilities and generates

01:48:52 Speaker 36: X number of decibels, then they

01:48:54 Speaker 36: can deal. with exactly what that

01:48:56 Speaker 36: noise is. But when we're dealing

01:48:59 Speaker 36: with event facilities or concert venues

01:49:00 Speaker 36: of that nature, then it's almost

01:49:03 Speaker 36: always a simulated. But as Becky

01:49:04 Speaker 36: has noted, if approved, there's requirements

01:49:05 Speaker 36: for monitoring to ensure that what

01:49:07 Speaker 36: is actually occurring on site is

01:49:09 Speaker 36: is as per what the simulation

01:49:14 Speaker 36: was, so to speak. Okay. So,

01:49:16 Speaker 36: Councillor Gray, was there a follow

01:49:18 Speaker 36: up to that then, or afterward?

01:49:20 Speaker 36: Second question is good enough. Is

01:49:22 Speaker 36: good now, regarding the penalties. Okay,

01:49:23 Speaker 36: Cecilia. Yeah, thanks for that. So,

01:49:25 Speaker 36: yeah, I I don't want to

01:49:28 Speaker 36: speak on behalf of of Grey

01:49:29 Speaker 36: Highlands Noise Bylaw. So it is

01:49:32 Speaker 36: a Grey Highlands bylaw, and I'm

01:49:34 Speaker 36: assuming it would be their bylaw

01:49:36 Speaker 36: enforcement officers who would be enforcing

01:49:38 Speaker 36: that. I did have a look

01:49:41 Speaker 36: at it. I know that they

01:49:43 Speaker 36: do have a process for exemptions

01:49:44 Speaker 36: through the bylaw. Law, I believe

01:49:47 Speaker 36: it is kind of by event

01:49:49 Speaker 36: that that is formulated. So, because

01:49:51 Speaker 36: this is a event venue, I

01:49:53 Speaker 36: imagine that would be a fairly

01:49:54 Speaker 36: labourious process for every time there's

01:49:56 Speaker 36: an event to seek that exemption.

01:49:58 Speaker 36: Which I believe is why the

01:50:01 Speaker 36: applicants are looking to do that

01:50:02 Speaker 36: through a zoning bylaw approach. It

01:50:04 Speaker 36: is an unusual approach. It certainly

01:50:08 Speaker 36: was something that was discussed at

01:50:09 Speaker 36: Grey Highlands as whether that is

01:50:10 Speaker 36: an appropriate approach to do that,

01:50:11 Speaker 36: or whether that is again something

01:50:14 Speaker 36: that could be dealt with. more

01:50:16 Speaker 36: concretely through a site plan agreement,

01:50:16 Speaker 36: for example, that that spelled out

01:50:18 Speaker 36: those hours of operation. With regards

01:50:20 Speaker 36: to the fine, I believe there

01:50:21 Speaker 36: were some fines within the bylaw.

01:50:23 Speaker 36: I don't remember what they were

01:50:26 Speaker 36: offhand. I don't know if there's

01:50:30 Speaker 36: Grey Highlands staff who may be

01:50:32 Speaker 10: more familiar with that bylaw who

01:50:34 Speaker 10: want to speak to that. But

01:50:36 Speaker 10: yeah, that that is certainly something

01:50:37 Speaker 10: that would be a something for

01:50:38 Speaker 10: Grey Highlands to look at. as

01:50:40 Speaker 10: a next step through the zoning

01:50:40 Speaker 10: approval process of, you know, is

01:50:42 Speaker 10: does it make the most sense

01:50:45 Speaker 10: to have that within the zoning

01:50:47 Speaker 10: bylaw, or is there another means

01:50:49 Speaker 10: of of spelling that out? And,

01:50:50 Speaker 10: you know, I think for the

01:50:52 Speaker 10: applicant's benefit, putting the hours of

01:50:53 Speaker 10: operation, putting the exemption within the

01:50:55 Speaker 10: the zoning bylaw, I think it

01:50:56 Speaker 10: was a good approach for the

01:50:58 Speaker 10: purposes of of a transparent public

01:51:00 Speaker 10: discussion, because having that kind of

01:51:02 Speaker 10: within the zoning bylaw really sets

01:51:03 Speaker 10: the framework. for expectations for the

01:51:07 Speaker 10: public of what to expect. There,

01:51:08 Speaker 10: there is no public process for

01:51:10 Speaker 10: site plan agreements, for example. So,

01:51:13 Speaker 10: I think having that as part

01:51:15 Speaker 10: of the public record is helpful.

01:51:16 Speaker 10: But whether that is permanently situated

01:51:18 Speaker 10: within that zoning bylaw forevermore or

01:51:21 Speaker 10: not, I think is something that

01:51:22 Speaker 10: Grey Highlands will need to have

01:51:24 Speaker 10: a look at as the next

01:51:27 Speaker 10: step. Okay, we'll go on to

01:51:29 Speaker 10: other questions. We'll go to Councillor

01:51:31 Speaker 10: Nielsen, and then we'll go to

01:51:34 Speaker 10: Councillor Mackey after that. thank you

01:51:37 Speaker 10: very much, Gordon. I do have

01:51:38 Speaker 10: a couple of questions and a

01:51:41 Speaker 10: couple of comments. Um, for clarity,

01:51:43 Speaker 10: for County Council, the lost vote

01:51:45 Speaker 10: at Gray Highlands was a seven

01:51:49 Speaker 10: to zero vote in support of

01:51:51 Speaker 10: moving forward with the County OP.

01:51:53 Speaker 10: Um, a comment around the comments

01:51:55 Speaker 10: from Becky on the profitability of

01:51:56 Speaker 10: the of a proposal. I don't

01:51:57 Speaker 10: feel that it's like our place

01:51:59 Speaker 10: to make a decision based upon

01:52:01 Speaker 10: whether or not a business is

01:52:02 Speaker 10: profitable. It's really up to the

01:52:04 Speaker 36: business owner to decide on how

01:52:06 Speaker 36: to make their business profitable. and

01:52:08 Speaker 36: so making changes to a a

01:52:11 Speaker 36: property specifically so that they could

01:52:13 Speaker 36: be profitable, either be increasing the

01:52:17 Speaker 36: number of guests that can come

01:52:19 Speaker 36: or increasing number of events, really

01:52:22 Speaker 36: isn't something that should be considered

01:52:24 Speaker 36: with when we're talking about planning.

01:52:27 Speaker 36: Which, as I've been repeatedly bashed

01:52:29 Speaker 36: over the head, is land use

01:52:31 Speaker 36: only and not necessarily what the

01:52:33 Speaker 36: profitability of that land use. I

01:52:36 Speaker 36: do have a couple of questions.

01:52:37 Speaker 36: My first question is regarding OP

01:52:39 Speaker 36: amendment today. So today there were

01:52:40 Speaker 36: questions for county staff to approve.

01:52:47 Speaker 36: I'm sorry, county. Have to approve,

01:52:49 Speaker 36: or sorry, county council to approve,

01:52:50 Speaker 36: but the zoning bylaw that has

01:52:51 Speaker 36: the restrictions, that has the requirements,

01:52:53 Speaker 10: that has the temporary use on

01:52:56 Speaker 10: the on the septic. Once the

01:52:57 Speaker 10: OP is passed, that is a

01:52:59 Speaker 10: land use that's of nowability on

01:53:00 Speaker 10: that land and property and site

01:53:02 Speaker 10: specific. How does that process work?

01:53:03 Speaker 10: If Gray Highlands denies the zoning,

01:53:06 Speaker 10: but now the county has already

01:53:08 Speaker 10: officially plan changed the abilities of

01:53:12 Speaker 10: this property. How is there protections

01:53:13 Speaker 10: for the county? to rescind that

01:53:15 Speaker 10: official plan change if the zoning

01:53:16 Speaker 10: doesn't go through, or what is

01:53:17 Speaker 10: that process? Please, I have two

01:53:19 Speaker 10: other questions too. Yeah, thanks, thanks

01:53:20 Speaker 10: for that question. And yeah, that's

01:53:21 Speaker 10: certainly something that we've we've been

01:53:23 Speaker 10: asking ourselves as well. Of kind

01:53:25 Speaker 10: of what are the all the

01:53:27 Speaker 10: what ifs of based on a

01:53:29 Speaker 10: decision on this file of if

01:53:30 Speaker 10: the county were to approve and

01:53:31 Speaker 10: Great Highlands were to refuse? Sort

01:53:33 Speaker 10: of what are the potential implications

01:53:35 Speaker 10: of that? You know, of course

01:53:37 Speaker 10: there are appeal. rights for Gray

01:53:38 Speaker 10: Highlands for the applicants on whatever

01:53:39 Speaker 10: decision is made by either council.

01:53:41 Speaker 10: You know, certainly it would be

01:53:43 Speaker 10: the prerogative of Gray Highlands, even

01:53:44 Speaker 10: if County Council decides to approve

01:53:46 Speaker 10: the OPA, Gray Highlands could still

01:53:47 Speaker 10: choose to refuse the ZBA. It

01:53:50 Speaker 10: does kind of raise the question

01:53:53 Speaker 10: of, you know, from from a

01:53:55 Speaker 10: next step for the applicants, kind

01:53:56 Speaker 10: of what does that mean? Yeah.

01:53:57 Speaker 10: it certainly could get into appeal

01:53:59 Speaker 10: territory, but yeah, I don't want

01:54:01 Speaker 10: to speculate on that at this

01:54:02 Speaker 10: stage. Well, yeah, I'll maybe ask

01:54:03 Speaker 10: my next two questions quickly, so

01:54:05 Speaker 10: that way they could both be

01:54:07 Speaker 10: at the same time. Regarding the

01:54:08 Speaker 10: noise study, the hall event

01:54:09 Speaker 10: space itself has a retractable wall,

01:54:11 Speaker 10: right? Like the whole wall can

01:54:13 Speaker 10: open up. Was the noise study

01:54:14 Speaker 10: done with the wall closed, under

01:54:16 Speaker 10: the guidings that that's going to

01:54:19 Speaker 10: be how it operates, or with

01:54:20 Speaker 10: the wall open? to showcase the

01:54:21 Speaker 10: noise level coming out, the report

01:54:24 Speaker 10: itself and their own changes or

01:54:30 Speaker 10: comments speak to the idea

01:54:33 Speaker 10: that the wall will be open

01:54:35 Speaker 10: until such time as the noise

01:54:37 Speaker 10: bylaw kicks in at, like I

01:54:39 Speaker 10: think, 10 p.m. and when they're

01:54:41 Speaker 10: going to close the wall. So

01:54:44 Speaker 10: if we're looking at the impact

01:54:53 Speaker 10: to the environment and to nature

01:54:56 Speaker 10: and to the residents, you're saying

01:54:59 Speaker 10: that there's no wall there. Number

01:55:01 Speaker 36: two comment in terms of that

01:55:04 Speaker 36: is when we look at an

01:55:07 Speaker 36: event space in the middle of

01:55:09 Speaker 36: a city or an event space

01:55:11 Speaker 36: anywhere. else, the structure is pretty

01:55:13 Speaker 36: solid and built and constructed for

01:55:14 Speaker 36: to retain all the noise within

01:55:17 Speaker 36: that structure. If you go to

01:55:19 Speaker 36: an arena space in downtown Toronto,

01:55:20 Speaker 36: you stand outside, you're not hearing

01:55:21 Speaker 36: any of the noise from inside

01:55:24 Speaker 36: their building because the entire building

01:55:25 Speaker 36: is solid and sealed. This one

01:55:27 Speaker 36: has a retractable wall, and I

01:55:28 Speaker 36: just am curious as to the

01:55:30 Speaker 36: viability of that to actually retain

01:55:31 Speaker 36: the sounds. That's kind of why

01:55:33 Speaker 36: I'm looking at the health study

01:55:35 Speaker 36: there. And then the other question

01:55:37 Speaker 36: you've mentioned it, and I do

01:55:40 Speaker 36: appreciate the detail. to which you

01:55:43 Speaker 36: went into the report and your

01:55:44 Speaker 36: explanation to Ken and Council today,

01:55:46 Speaker 36: but when we look at like

01:55:48 Speaker 36: the it says in the report

01:55:50 Speaker 36: that the conservation authority doesn't have

01:55:52 Speaker 36: any questions or comment or any

01:55:54 Speaker 36: proposals against the proposal other than

01:55:57 Speaker 36: the idea of please move the

01:56:01 Speaker 36: things you've already built within the

01:56:03 Speaker 36: hazard lands. Like there's challenges to

01:56:04 Speaker 36: what's been done, and I realize

01:56:06 Speaker 36: we're looking at this as a

01:56:07 Speaker 36: new structure, but at what point

01:56:10 Speaker 36: do we consider the likelihood? of

01:56:13 Speaker 36: falling through with restrictions or implementations

01:56:16 Speaker 36: that get put in versus history

01:56:18 Speaker 36: of a proposal. So I guess

01:56:23 Speaker 36: my question is on the noise

01:56:24 Speaker 36: study itself: wall down or open,

01:56:30 Speaker 36: and then trying to understand new

01:56:32 Speaker 36: file versus history. Yeah. So if

01:56:34 Speaker 36: I recollect properly with the noise

01:56:38 Speaker 36: study, I believe. that they did

01:56:40 Speaker 36: look at both a closed and

01:56:41 Speaker 36: open scenario for those retractable doors,

01:56:45 Speaker 41: and yes, so they did. I

01:56:48 Speaker 41: think they're recommending that 10 p.m.

01:56:52 Speaker 41: is when all of the doors

01:56:56 Speaker 41: would be fully closed, which would

01:57:00 Speaker 41: then, of course, insulate the noise

01:57:03 Speaker 41: more fully. Again, you know that

01:57:05 Speaker 41: 10 p.m. is not part of

01:57:07 Speaker 41: the zoning at this stage. I

01:57:09 Speaker 41: think that's a number that we

01:57:12 Speaker 41: can still work with, if you

01:57:14 Speaker 41: know if we're looking for an

01:57:16 Speaker 41: earlier time for. example, you know,

01:57:19 Speaker 41: I think that's still a discussion

01:57:21 Speaker 41: that can be explored as an

01:57:23 Speaker 41: next step with the applicants, either

01:57:31 Speaker 41: through that zoning or or through

01:57:32 Speaker 41: that site plan application process. That's

01:57:34 Speaker 41: just the number that's been presented

01:57:36 Speaker 36: at this stage. With regards to

01:57:39 Speaker 36: that history, again, yeah, I think

01:57:40 Speaker 36: to your to your point about

01:57:43 Speaker 36: the conservation authority's comments, and just

01:57:44 Speaker 36: for everyone's benefit, I think that

01:57:46 Speaker 36: there was maybe one tent platform

01:57:48 Speaker 36: that the conservation authority had flagged

01:57:50 Speaker 36: was located within the hazard lands.

01:57:52 Speaker 36: and again, so any non-complying structures

01:57:55 Speaker 36: would be would be required to

01:57:56 Speaker 36: comply. So they would all need

01:57:59 Speaker 36: to be situated, of course, outside

01:58:00 Speaker 36: of the hazard lands, and and

01:58:02 Speaker 36: would have to conform to all

01:58:05 Speaker 36: the required setbacks and boundaries. And

01:58:06 Speaker 36: you know, luckily, a lot of

01:58:08 Speaker 36: what they have constructed are mostly

01:58:09 Speaker 36: just platforms at this stage, so

01:58:10 Speaker 36: they are fairly movable. Okay, thank

01:58:12 Speaker 36: you. We're going to go to

01:58:14 Speaker 36: Councillor Mackey next. Thank you, Warden.

01:58:16 Speaker 36: My questions, after all those questions

01:58:16 Speaker 36: from Councillor Nielsen, have been answered.

01:58:20 Speaker 36: Thank you. Okay, thank you. Are

01:58:23 Speaker 36: there any further questions then from

01:58:26 Speaker 36: any other members? I will go

01:58:30 Speaker 36: to Councillor Kenner. Thank you, and

01:58:32 Speaker 36: through you, Warden Matrasovsa. Two concerns

01:58:34 Speaker 36: here, and the first one has

01:58:37 Speaker 36: to do. with relief against the

01:58:38 Speaker 36: noise situation. It seems unusual that

01:58:40 Speaker 36: it is extended well past you

01:58:41 Speaker 36: know bedtime for a lot of

01:58:44 Speaker 36: people, and the other one has

01:58:45 Speaker 36: to do with an extension of

01:58:47 Speaker 36: relief from the the need for

01:58:49 Speaker 36: a septic system. And I just

01:58:51 Speaker 36: are we setting precedents here with

01:58:55 Speaker 36: these two situations, or are we

01:58:57 Speaker 36: are there other examples where we

01:59:01 Speaker 36: have provided this kind of relief

01:59:02 Speaker 36: to other other operators. Thank you.

01:59:03 Speaker 36: Yeah, so that again, that relief

01:59:07 Speaker 36: against the noise bylaw that that

01:59:09 Speaker 36: is personally a new one for

01:59:13 Speaker 36: me. Um, seeing that within a

01:59:15 Speaker 36: zoning bylaw. Um, and again, I

01:59:17 Speaker 36: you know I think it was

01:59:18 Speaker 36: um a good decision um by

01:59:21 Speaker 36: the applicant to include that in

01:59:23 Speaker 36: there because it's become part of

01:59:26 Speaker 36: that public discussion, and I I

01:59:27 Speaker 36: think that's. Discussion and I think

01:59:29 Speaker 36: that's important to have. Again, whether

01:59:32 Speaker 36: or not that lies within that

01:59:34 Speaker 36: zoning bylaw amendment or not, again,

01:59:37 Speaker 36: is I think the discretion of

01:59:38 Speaker 36: of Gray Highlands and and sort

01:59:40 Speaker 36: of how they're interpreting that that

01:59:42 Speaker 36: noise bylaw and and how those

01:59:43 Speaker 36: exemption processes can work internally for

01:59:45 Speaker 36: them. And so, yeah, I don't

01:59:53 Speaker 36: I don't necessarily want to speculate

01:59:55 Speaker 36: too much about that, not knowing

01:59:57 Speaker 36: kind of the full history of

02:00:02 Speaker 36: how that's been implemented in the

02:00:03 Speaker 36: past. There, with regards to septic

02:00:07 Speaker 12: system, and yes, I fully agree.

02:00:11 Speaker 12: It is a bit of an

02:00:12 Speaker 12: unusual system. A bit of an

02:00:12 Speaker 12: unusual situation. I know recently in

02:00:14 Speaker 12: Gray Highlands there was another accommodation

02:00:17 Speaker 12: facility right on Lake Eugenia that

02:00:19 Speaker 12: was proposing portable toilets, sort of

02:00:20 Speaker 12: indefinitely into the future as a

02:00:22 Speaker 12: sort of the the form of

02:00:23 Speaker 12: servicing for that proposal. And you

02:00:24 Speaker 12: know, I I I didn't love

02:00:27 Speaker 12: that approach. I didn't really feel

02:00:29 Speaker 12: that that met kind of the

02:00:33 Speaker 12: requirements of the PPS or the

02:00:35 Speaker 12: OP in terms of you know

02:00:37 Speaker 12: the types of services. You know

02:00:40 Speaker 12: the the types of servicing that

02:00:42 Speaker 12: would be permitted into the long

02:00:45 Speaker 12: term. For this one in particular,

02:00:47 Speaker 12: I think, provided that the frameworks

02:00:51 Speaker 12: are in place to ensure that

02:00:57 Speaker 12: they can get to that future

02:01:01 Speaker 12: system that is going to be

02:01:02 Speaker 12: viable and will be the best

02:01:05 Speaker 12: case scenario, it's something that I

02:01:07 Speaker 12: I I can support and and

02:01:09 Speaker 12: get behind. And especially acknowledging the

02:01:11 Speaker 12: servicing report has confirmed already, even

02:01:13 Speaker 12: with the existing. zoning in place

02:01:17 Speaker 12: for the health spa and the

02:01:20 Speaker 12: trailers on site, those existing septic

02:01:21 Speaker 12: systems are already above capacity. So,

02:01:25 Speaker 12: kind of knowing all of those

02:01:26 Speaker 12: things, you know, the servicing study

02:01:28 Speaker 12: really did stress, you know, we

02:01:31 Speaker 12: need to actually convert to the

02:01:32 Speaker 12: portable systems. These shouldn't really be

02:01:34 Speaker 12: used anymore. And so, just to

02:01:35 Speaker 12: give them time to to do

02:01:36 Speaker 14: that, because I do understand it

02:01:38 Speaker 14: is quite a big expense installing

02:01:39 Speaker 14: that. We did feel it was

02:01:42 Speaker 14: fair to allow. them three years

02:01:46 Speaker 14: to to be able to do

02:01:48 Speaker 14: that. Okay, so I see that

02:01:49 Speaker 14: concludes with Councillor Katner. I see

02:01:51 Speaker 14: Councillor Body and then Councillor McQueen.

02:01:53 Speaker 14: Councillor Body first. Um, thank you,

02:01:55 Speaker 14: Warden. First of all, want to

02:01:57 Speaker 14: thank Planning. Very detailed report, Becky.

02:01:59 Speaker 14: Thank you. Obviously, there has been

02:02:00 Speaker 14: a lot of hard work. and

02:02:02 Speaker 14: I wouldn't want to count the

02:02:04 Speaker 14: number of hours that have gone

02:02:06 Speaker 14: into this. And the easiest answer

02:02:08 Speaker 14: for planning is to say no.

02:02:09 Speaker 14: And you've clearly done everything you

02:02:10 Speaker 14: can to try and chip off

02:02:13 Speaker 14: the corners of a square block

02:02:14 Speaker 14: to try and get into a

02:02:16 Speaker 14: round hall. I think I'm probably

02:02:18 Speaker 14: consistent that I'm always complaining about

02:02:20 Speaker 14: urban development on rural services and

02:02:21 Speaker 14: that they need to be on

02:02:23 Speaker 14: urban services. This is much the

02:02:24 Speaker 14: same. The septic system, even when

02:02:25 Speaker 14: it's put in to have up

02:02:27 Speaker 14: to ninety-five people plus plus staff,

02:02:29 Speaker 14: is going to be one heck

02:02:31 Speaker 14: of a system. That's that's a

02:02:32 Speaker 14: rural septic system. Becky's indicated that

02:02:34 Speaker 14: you know we policy-wise probably be

02:02:35 Speaker 14: okay with that. From my point

02:02:38 Speaker 14: of view, to be consistent, I'm

02:02:39 Speaker 14: I'm not okay with that. That

02:02:41 Speaker 14: type of service and and Service

02:02:43 Speaker 14: in in a rural area, but

02:02:45 Speaker 14: thanks to staff, are really working

02:02:46 Speaker 14: hard to try and make this

02:02:49 Speaker 14: work. Okay, so next we go

02:02:51 Speaker 14: over to Councillor McQueen. Thank you,

02:02:54 Speaker 14: Madam Warden, and good words from

02:02:55 Speaker 14: Councillor Body. That staff has been

02:02:56 Speaker 14: a lot of work here for

02:02:58 Speaker 14: sure. A couple things, and I

02:02:59 Speaker 14: apologize for my street Google or

02:03:02 Speaker 14: whatever went off because I thought

02:03:04 Speaker 14: you turned on volume off and

02:03:08 Speaker 14: it doesn't work. But I was

02:03:09 Speaker 14: trying to figure out some kilometres

02:03:11 Speaker 14: and. part of that. I wanted

02:03:13 Speaker 14: to talk about the noise exemption

02:03:14 Speaker 14: first. Generally, at Green Highlands, we

02:03:15 Speaker 14: will we request for noise if

02:03:17 Speaker 14: it's a one-off event. A lot

02:03:18 Speaker 14: of times, if somebody's having an

02:03:20 Speaker 14: event at their property, or we

02:03:21 Speaker 14: just had one for the Markdale

02:03:22 Speaker 14: Agricultural Society for their fair. You

02:03:25 Speaker 14: know, a lot of those are

02:03:27 Speaker 14: sort of one-offs type of things

02:03:28 Speaker 14: that you know that we would

02:03:30 Speaker 14: consider. So, you know, I mean,

02:03:31 Speaker 14: I'm sure that's in a lot

02:03:32 Speaker 14: of people's playlists. but I think

02:03:34 Speaker 14: I you know, and I want

02:03:36 Speaker 14: to say also I you know

02:03:39 Speaker 14: I don't think we're a can't

02:03:41 Speaker 14: economic development you know a place

02:03:42 Speaker 14: for people to really to have

02:03:45 Speaker 14: a business to to make things

02:03:49 Speaker 14: happen to to have a venue

02:03:51 Speaker 14: to have accommodations because I know

02:03:53 Speaker 14: a big part and we're all

02:03:54 Speaker 14: part of of Gray County is

02:03:56 Speaker 14: word of people's state we don't

02:03:58 Speaker 14: have hotels we don't have a

02:04:00 Speaker 14: lot of stuff there's other venues

02:04:01 Speaker 14: for that and hey you know

02:04:03 Speaker 14: what getting married out in in

02:04:05 Speaker 14: the you know like I think

02:04:06 Speaker 14: Becky you you raised a good

02:04:07 Speaker 14: point. You raise a good point.

02:04:10 Speaker 14: You know, where's a good place

02:04:11 Speaker 14: to have an officiation of of

02:04:14 Speaker 14: your wedding? You know, people like

02:04:15 Speaker 14: that natural setting and that type

02:04:16 Speaker 14: of thing for sure. And and

02:04:18 Speaker 14: and that, but I think it

02:04:22 Speaker 42: comes back. It's about the bigger

02:04:28 Speaker 42: part, along with other. It's the

02:04:30 Speaker 42: noise, noise concerns is is what's

02:04:32 Speaker 42: been coming back more and more.

02:04:34 Speaker 42: You know, and I think we

02:04:37 Speaker 22: got to appreciate. I think it

02:04:41 Speaker 22: was made in the from the

02:04:44 Speaker 22: first lady that spoke about eight

02:04:45 Speaker 22: homes in in in the close

02:04:51 Speaker 22: proximity, which we know are in

02:04:52 Speaker 22: that area. and you know, you

02:04:54 Speaker 22: know, as I think Mr. Kentner

02:04:56 Speaker 22: said that you know we certain

02:04:58 Speaker 22: times at night we sort of

02:04:59 Speaker 22: want to shut things down and

02:05:01 Speaker 22: we don't want noise that long.

02:05:06 Speaker 22: So I was doing a little

02:05:07 Speaker 22: bit of a calculation, and I

02:05:08 Speaker 22: think it was mentioned that there

02:05:11 Speaker 22: are two wedding barns within the

02:05:18 Speaker 22: area, and wedding barns are probably

02:05:19 Speaker 22: on an agricultural area where there's

02:05:21 Speaker 36: bigger spaces. I mean, no doubt,

02:05:24 Speaker 36: and reason, good reason for that.

02:05:27 Speaker 36: And they they weren't a walk

02:05:30 Speaker 36: in a park either, both wedding

02:05:32 Speaker 36: barns. There was a lot of

02:05:34 Speaker 36: black. There was a lot of

02:05:37 Speaker 36: back and forth, but not a

02:05:38 Speaker 36: lot of time spent. But I

02:05:41 Speaker 36: was doing a calculation to the

02:05:42 Speaker 36: closest community centre, is the Osprey

02:05:44 Speaker 36: Community Centre, which is 14

02:05:46 Speaker 36: kilometres away. You know, and and

02:05:50 Speaker 36: I've said this before. You know,

02:05:54 Speaker 36: have the wedding, have your your

02:05:56 Speaker 36: your evening dinner, and then throughout,

02:06:02 Speaker 36: we all have in our municipalities,

02:06:05 Speaker 43: we have community centres to host

02:06:09 Speaker 43: those events and those fun times.

02:06:10 Speaker 43: Like we, a wedding is a

02:06:14 Speaker 43: celebration of life. It's a it's

02:06:16 Speaker 43: a fun thing. People. The fun

02:06:19 Speaker 43: thing, people, you know, you want

02:06:21 Speaker 43: to celebrate. Noise happens, and I

02:06:23 Speaker 43: don't think I don't think anybody

02:06:26 Speaker 43: here would argue against that, you

02:06:28 Speaker 43: know. And then, you know, if

02:06:32 Speaker 43: there's some alcohol involved, maybe the

02:06:34 Speaker 43: tunage gets a little higher too.

02:06:36 Speaker 43: So, I think it goes back

02:06:38 Speaker 16: to the extension, you know. I

02:06:42 Speaker 16: see it, and a lot of

02:06:45 Speaker 16: the biggest comments it goes into

02:06:47 Speaker 16: the extension into the evening. That

02:06:51 Speaker 16: is key issue here. Okay, thank

02:06:52 Speaker 16: you. And now we're. over to

02:06:55 Speaker 16: the deputy warden. Thank you, Madam

02:06:58 Speaker 16: Warden, and thank you, Becky, for

02:07:01 Speaker 16: the as Councillor Body mentioned a

02:07:05 Speaker 16: really good report. My question is

02:07:07 Speaker 16: related to what response, if any,

02:07:11 Speaker 16: did we get to the First

02:07:16 Speaker 16: Nations that we circulated this file

02:07:19 Speaker 16: to? Thank you. Yeah, thanks for

02:07:24 Speaker 16: that. We did certainly circulate to

02:07:26 Speaker 16: them. We also advise the applicant

02:07:29 Speaker 16: to reach out to them during

02:07:32 Speaker 16: the. pre-circulation stage, and to date,

02:07:35 Speaker 16: we haven't had any comments from

02:07:38 Speaker 16: from any of our First Nations

02:07:40 Speaker 16: partners on this one. Follow up.

02:07:43 Speaker 16: Just a quick follow up. Do

02:07:46 Speaker 16: we know whether the proponents actually

02:07:51 Speaker 16: engaged with the First Nations or

02:07:55 Speaker 16: or not? Please. Yeah, it's a

02:07:58 Speaker 16: good question. I'm actually not sure

02:08:01 Speaker 16: about that, and certainly since the

02:08:05 Speaker 16: time of of the pre-consultation for

02:08:07 Speaker 16: this one and. Consultation for this

02:08:09 Speaker 16: one, and even since the time

02:08:12 Speaker 16: it has been submitted, our ways

02:08:14 Speaker 16: of engaging and communicating with our

02:08:16 Speaker 16: First Nations partners has certainly evolved

02:08:19 Speaker 16: during during the past year and

02:08:22 Speaker 16: a half or so. So I'm

02:08:25 Speaker 16: not, I don't believe that they,

02:08:28 Speaker 16: or I'm actually not sure if

02:08:30 Speaker 16: they did engage with our First

02:08:35 Speaker 16: Nations partners during the pre-consultation stage.

02:08:37 Speaker 16: Certainly, they were circulated through the

02:09:30 Speaker 16: circulations, but no. I don't believe

02:09:32 Speaker 16: we had heard from them on

02:09:34 Speaker 16: this application. Final follow up, Deputy

02:09:36 Speaker 16: Warden. Thank you, Madam Warden. Just

02:09:38 Speaker 16: real quickly, I guess I would

02:09:42 Speaker 16: suggest that we should be making

02:09:43 Speaker 16: sure that the proponents do make

02:09:47 Speaker 16: contact with the First Nations. Just

02:09:52 Speaker 16: to assume they're going to leaves

02:09:54 Speaker 36: a little bit of room for

02:09:56 Speaker 36: a wiggle, so. Bit of room

02:09:59 Speaker 36: for wiggle. So anyway, thank you.

02:10:02 Speaker 36: Okay, we're going to go to

02:10:03 Speaker 36: Councillor Dobrin next, and then to

02:10:05 Speaker 36: Councillor Keaveny. Thank you, and through

02:10:07 Speaker 36: you, thank you, Becky. I too

02:10:10 Speaker 36: is going to ask about the

02:10:11 Speaker 36: First Nations because we had experience

02:10:12 Speaker 36: where we circulated, but it wasn't

02:10:14 Speaker 36: reaching anyone. So the lack of

02:10:16 Speaker 36: response or acknowledgement of an email,

02:10:18 Speaker 36: we shouldn't assume that. they received

02:10:19 Speaker 36: it and have no comment, because

02:10:22 Speaker 36: that has come back to be

02:10:24 Speaker 36: a problem. And certainly, archaeological studies

02:10:28 Speaker 36: are being asked for for severances.

02:10:31 Speaker 36: So this this might be another.

02:10:32 Speaker 36: But on the subject of my

02:10:35 Speaker 36: questions, Madam Warden, the temporary use,

02:10:37 Speaker 36: or sorry, the the deferral of

02:10:41 Speaker 36: the the septic for three years.

02:10:43 Speaker 36: would it be reasonable then to

02:10:45 Speaker 36: allow for a temporary use to

02:10:50 Speaker 36: monitor how what the impact on

02:10:54 Speaker 16: the community would be if this

02:10:59 Speaker 16: was approved? That is my first

02:11:03 Speaker 16: kind of concept. And are the

02:11:06 Speaker 16: portable toilets commercial toilets that would

02:11:08 Speaker 16: be you know circulated? I have

02:11:11 Speaker 16: personal experience of a quiet family

02:11:13 Speaker 16: trailer park. turned rural farm for

02:11:26 Speaker 16: hire, where groups and weddings come

02:11:27 Speaker 16: up to hootenoller and noise travels

02:11:28 Speaker 16: in rural Ontario. So, to the

02:11:29 Speaker 16: point of the more urban halls,

02:11:31 Speaker 16: they're more soundproofed. I have a

02:11:33 Speaker 16: con—I had a concern about the

02:11:35 Speaker 44: existing hall that was built without

02:11:38 Speaker 44: a permit. That it appears to

02:11:39 Speaker 44: be about three quarters glass. with

02:11:41 Speaker 44: a removable door to have music

02:11:44 Speaker 44: going all afternoon and evening, even

02:11:45 Speaker 44: up until ten, is fine if

02:11:47 Speaker 44: you like the music. But you

02:11:50 Speaker 44: know, music is not to everyone's

02:11:53 Speaker 44: taste, and again, the enforcement aspect

02:11:55 Speaker 44: of it. And I again, personal

02:11:57 Speaker 44: experience to people who don't understand.

02:12:00 Speaker 44: Round that is going to be,

02:12:02 Speaker 44: you know, a significant expense, and

02:12:04 Speaker 44: I and I understand that. But

02:12:06 Speaker 44: perhaps if they want to defer

02:12:07 Speaker 44: the requirement for septic, then perhaps.

02:12:09 Speaker 44: we could we could provide a

02:12:10 Speaker 44: temporary use to monitor the impact

02:12:12 Speaker 44: on the neighbours. Thank you so

02:12:14 Speaker 44: much for that question, Councillor Dobrin.

02:12:15 Speaker 44: And this was very much something

02:12:17 Speaker 44: that staff, county staff, and Grey

02:12:19 Speaker 44: Highlands staff had discussed, and which

02:12:21 Speaker 44: we also felt would be a

02:12:23 Speaker 44: really good route forward for this

02:12:25 Speaker 44: one is is looking at that

02:12:28 Speaker 44: temporary use bylaw for everyone's reference.

02:12:30 Speaker 44: Temporary. use bylaws can be put

02:12:31 Speaker 44: in place for a period of

02:12:33 Speaker 44: up to three years, which coincidentally

02:12:34 Speaker 44: is the time we're looking for

02:12:37 Speaker 44: to install that septic system. And

02:12:38 Speaker 44: and sort of given some of

02:12:40 Speaker 44: the concerns with previous bylaw infractions,

02:12:41 Speaker 44: we did feel that could be

02:12:43 Speaker 44: a fair route forward. The Grey

02:12:45 Speaker 44: Highlands planner actually within their recent

02:12:46 Speaker 44: staff report to Grey Highlands Council

02:12:48 Speaker 44: for June 18th had put forward

02:12:50 Speaker 44: that recommendation, which we had discussed

02:12:52 Speaker 44: beforehand. Miss Loft and her client

02:12:54 Speaker 44: were not in favour of that

02:12:56 Speaker 44: approach, and so that was not

02:12:57 Speaker 44: further discussed or voted upon by

02:12:59 Speaker 44: council at that stage. Follow up.

02:13:00 Speaker 44: Thank you. And because the septic

02:13:01 Speaker 44: for this size of use would

02:13:03 Speaker 44: be a significant expense, the three

02:13:04 Speaker 44: years would also. provide the proponent

02:13:05 Speaker 44: to monitor whether or not this

02:13:08 Speaker 44: is even a viable business model.

02:13:09 Speaker 44: Thank you, Director Taylor. Yeah, thank

02:13:11 Speaker 44: you for the comments and questions.

02:13:13 Speaker 44: I just want to respond to

02:13:15 Speaker 44: a few things that that we've

02:13:18 Speaker 44: heard here. I will get get

02:13:21 Speaker 44: to your question, Councillor Devereen, through

02:13:22 Speaker 44: you, Madam Warden, with respect to

02:13:24 Speaker 44: the. First Nations consultation, Becky alluded

02:13:26 Speaker 44: to it in some of her

02:13:28 Speaker 44: comments. As we heard at the

02:13:29 Speaker 44: the previous council meeting, we've we've

02:13:30 Speaker 44: been working quite closely with a

02:13:34 Speaker 44: number of our local First Nations

02:13:35 Speaker 44: through the archaeological management plan process,

02:13:37 Speaker 44: and we've looked to to step

02:13:38 Speaker 44: up our our communications and and

02:13:41 Speaker 44: and our relationship building in that

02:13:43 Speaker 44: regard. Just recently, on a staff

02:13:45 Speaker 44: to staff staff to staff level,

02:13:46 Speaker 44: we've set up regular monthly meetings

02:13:48 Speaker 44: with Saugeen Ojibway Nation Environment Office.

02:13:49 Speaker 44: Njibbey Nation Environment Office staff, just

02:13:52 Speaker 44: to make sure that nothing is

02:13:53 Speaker 44: slipping through the cracks there, and

02:13:57 Speaker 44: and certainly I don't want to

02:13:59 Speaker 44: speak on behalf of any First

02:14:00 Speaker 44: Nation or Mét organisation, but the

02:14:02 Speaker 44: one thing consistently that a number

02:14:04 Speaker 44: of them have told us is

02:14:05 Speaker 44: because their territories are so large,

02:14:06 Speaker 44: and because the scope of development

02:14:08 Speaker 44: interest in their territories are so

02:14:12 Speaker 44: large, they simply can't get to

02:14:12 Speaker 44: everything. And I'm I'm not speaking

02:14:14 Speaker 44: specifically to this Beacon proposal, but

02:14:18 Speaker 44: what they've noted to to staff

02:14:21 Speaker 44: in some of these discussions is

02:14:23 Speaker 44: that we need to work together.

02:14:24 Speaker 44: to understand what are the truly

02:14:26 Speaker 44: important ones to to their interests

02:14:28 Speaker 44: and and what ones that they

02:14:30 Speaker 44: may have less interest in. But

02:14:33 Speaker 44: so I mentioned the the

02:14:35 Speaker 44: one on one meetings with the

02:14:37 Speaker 44: Selk'nam Injibway Nation staff. We've also

02:14:39 Speaker 44: recently had a staff to staff

02:14:41 Speaker 44: meeting with staff from the Six

02:14:42 Speaker 44: Nations of the Grand River. Again,

02:14:45 Speaker 44: we've similar to Councillor Millen's comments

02:14:47 Speaker 44: or Deputy Warden Millen's comments. We've

02:14:49 Speaker 44: we've ensured that that we are

02:14:51 Speaker 44: talking to the right people and

02:14:55 Speaker 44: it's not going to a dead

02:14:57 Speaker 44: inbox in that regard. Certainly, if

02:14:59 Speaker 44: it was Councillor's will, we could

02:15:00 Speaker 44: reach back out to. the First

02:15:02 Speaker 44: Nations or Mét organisations in this

02:15:05 Speaker 44: regard, but I did just want

02:15:07 Speaker 44: to give an update there with

02:15:12 Speaker 44: respect to to our practices. With

02:15:15 Speaker 44: respect to some of the comments

02:15:17 Speaker 44: about the temporary uses and and

02:15:19 Speaker 44: the septic system and the like,

02:15:22 Speaker 44: I do just want to be

02:15:24 Speaker 44: cautious that that we are focusing

02:15:26 Speaker 44: our discussions on the county official

02:15:28 Speaker 44: plan amendment. Certainly, Grey Highlands has

02:15:30 Speaker 44: lots of tools at their disposal

02:15:31 Speaker 44: with respect to a zoning bylaw

02:15:37 Speaker 44: amendment. They could include a holding

02:15:37 Speaker 44: system. They could, as Misselier has

02:15:42 Speaker 45: noted. As Miss Hillier has noted,

02:15:44 Speaker 45: go through the site plan control

02:15:46 Speaker 45: process, but we have limited tools

02:15:48 Speaker 45: at our disposal with respect to

02:15:50 Speaker 45: the official plan amendment. So, if

02:15:52 Speaker 45: Council were to see fit to

02:15:53 Speaker 45: pass an official plan amendment, that

02:15:56 Speaker 45: amendment is permanent. We don't have

02:15:58 Speaker 45: the ability to do a temporary

02:16:00 Speaker 45: official plan amendment or a three-year

02:16:02 Speaker 45: official plan amendment. In regard, as

02:16:06 Speaker 45: Miss Hillier has noted, that is

02:16:08 Speaker 45: fully within the realm of of

02:16:09 Speaker 45: of a municipality with respect to

02:16:10 Speaker 45: zoning by amendment. She stated that

02:16:11 Speaker 45: the proponent and and their their

02:16:16 Speaker 45: H. And their agent, Ms. Loft,

02:16:17 Speaker 45: were not in favour of that

02:16:19 Speaker 45: approach. But there are those tools

02:16:21 Speaker 45: with respect to the site plan

02:16:23 Speaker 45: and agreements in that regard. The

02:16:26 Speaker 45: only other thing I'd say with

02:16:28 Speaker 45: respect to the septic system and

02:16:30 Speaker 45: event facilities across the county is

02:16:31 Speaker 45: we do have a number of

02:16:34 Speaker 46: event facilities across the county that

02:16:37 Speaker 46: are already operating that use portable

02:16:39 Speaker 46: toilets as their primary means. Certainly,

02:16:42 Speaker 46: we think to those facilities that

02:16:46 Speaker 46: might only have one or two

02:16:48 Speaker 46: events a year and have large

02:16:51 Speaker 46: numbers of crowds. We heard, you

02:16:53 Speaker 46: know, lots of comments today. Other

02:16:55 Speaker 46: things. Typically, when we're looking at

02:16:59 Speaker 46: relatively few events, definitely portable toilets

02:17:01 Speaker 46: are usually the way to go.

02:17:07 Speaker 46: Short of being situated at a

02:17:09 Speaker 46: local arena or community centre, they

02:17:10 Speaker 46: simply don't have the demand or

02:17:14 Speaker 46: the capacity available available to facilitate

02:17:15 Speaker 46: those. When we think about some

02:17:17 Speaker 46: of our our more rural celebrations,

02:17:21 Speaker 46: you know, maple syrup festivals or

02:17:24 Speaker 46: harvest festivals, again, those those portable

02:17:27 Speaker 47: toilets are are very much the

02:17:29 Speaker 47: way to go, as Becky has

02:17:31 Speaker 47: noted. Particularly on this one, when

02:17:35 Speaker 47: they're looking at multiple events a

02:17:36 Speaker 47: year, when we're looking at operating

02:17:38 Speaker 47: year-round, staff have pushed the proponent

02:17:39 Speaker 47: here for a more permanent solution.

02:17:43 Speaker 47: But if if Gray Highlands, through

02:17:46 Speaker 47: future applications, were to deem it

02:17:48 Speaker 47: appropriate to consider sort of a

02:17:49 Speaker 47: phase-in period where those temporary facilities

02:17:51 Speaker 47: could still be used in advance

02:17:54 Speaker 48: of the the formal septic. system

02:17:58 Speaker 48: and washrooms, I would say that's

02:18:00 Speaker 48: not completely inconsistent with how a

02:18:02 Speaker 48: number of other event facilities have

02:18:05 Speaker 48: been treated across the county in

02:18:07 Speaker 48: the past. Okay, thank you. We're

02:18:09 Speaker 48: going to go to Councillor Keaveny

02:18:12 Speaker 48: next. Thank you, Warden Matrasovs, and

02:18:14 Speaker 48: Director Taylor has predominantly just answered

02:18:17 Speaker 48: my question. I was going to

02:18:19 Speaker 49: ask about the enforcement capabilities if

02:18:22 Speaker 49: the proponent, after three years, determined

02:18:24 Speaker 49: that they couldn't go. forward for

02:18:30 Speaker 36: whatever reason with the septic system,

02:18:32 Speaker 36: you know what was our ability

02:18:34 Speaker 36: or Grey Highlands' ability to enforce,

02:18:38 Speaker 36: or could they ask for an

02:18:39 Speaker 36: extension? So I think that's predominantly

02:18:41 Speaker 36: been covered. Thank you. Okay, thank

02:18:43 Speaker 36: you. And okay, I saw two

02:18:51 Speaker 36: hands go up. Once we're going

02:18:53 Speaker 36: to go to Councillor Carlton, and

02:18:54 Speaker 36: then over to Councillor Mackie. Thank

02:19:00 Speaker 36: you, Warden. Just to go back

02:19:05 Speaker 36: to the question about the noise

02:19:06 Speaker 36: study that was done, I did

02:19:09 Speaker 36: a quick search. and it was

02:19:10 Speaker 36: done with the doors open, but

02:19:12 Speaker 36: it was completed using a pink

02:19:14 Speaker 36: noise file. And when I did

02:19:16 Speaker 36: a search online to find out

02:19:17 Speaker 36: what that type of file would

02:19:19 Speaker 36: be, it identifies that white noise

02:19:20 Speaker 36: is all frequencies coming through at

02:19:22 Speaker 36: the same intensity, and it's high

02:19:23 Speaker 50: pitched, so ears don't like it.

02:19:26 Speaker 50: A pink noise file subdues that,

02:19:30 Speaker 50: makes sure the sounds are gentler.

02:19:32 Speaker 50: and less likely to overwhelm people,

02:19:34 Speaker 50: so I think doing a noise

02:19:36 Speaker 50: study using a pink noise audio

02:19:37 Speaker 50: file kind of defeated the purpose

02:19:40 Speaker 50: of doing the noise study. It's

02:19:43 Speaker 50: a little misleading. Okay, thank you.

02:19:46 Speaker 50: And is there any staff comment

02:19:49 Speaker 50: to that before I go to

02:19:54 Speaker 50: Councillor Mackey? Yeah. So thank you

02:19:57 Speaker 50: for that. No. And yeah, your

02:20:01 Speaker 50: your due diligence on there is

02:20:03 Speaker 50: is. is appreciated. Yeah, with regards

02:20:05 Speaker 50: to that, again, I I can't

02:20:06 Speaker 50: attest to being a audio expert

02:20:08 Speaker 50: or noise acoustic expert, which again

02:20:10 Speaker 50: is is why we did have

02:20:13 Speaker 50: that peer reviewed for that expertise.

02:20:16 Speaker 50: So yeah, I would just defer

02:20:18 Speaker 50: to the to the peer review

02:20:20 Speaker 50: on that, and can certainly share

02:20:22 Speaker 50: those comments if interested. Okay, thank

02:20:25 Speaker 50: you. We'll go over to Councillor

02:20:28 Speaker 50: Mackie. Thank you. Warden, and thank

02:20:30 Speaker 50: you, Becky. I know this has

02:20:32 Speaker 50: been a difficult file for you,

02:20:34 Speaker 50: and you've done a really good

02:20:36 Speaker 50: job. But just a follow-up

02:20:38 Speaker 50: from Councillor Debrine's question: When you

02:20:40 Speaker 50: talked about the number of structures

02:20:42 Speaker 50: that have been erected without a

02:20:44 Speaker 50: building permit, does that include the

02:20:47 Speaker 50: hall? That the picture of the

02:20:48 Speaker 50: large hall, so it was erected

02:20:51 Speaker 50: without a building permit. Is it

02:20:53 Speaker 50: being utilised right now without? a

02:20:56 Speaker 50: building permit, and are other structures

02:20:58 Speaker 50: that have been erected without building

02:21:01 Speaker 50: permits being utilised or in the

02:21:03 Speaker 50: last period of time. Thank you.

02:21:06 Speaker 50: So, my understanding is that since

02:21:08 Speaker 50: Bylaw has gotten involved on the

02:21:10 Speaker 50: property, they have ceased all business

02:21:12 Speaker 50: operations. So, to my knowledge, the

02:21:15 Speaker 50: the event hall and and none

02:21:17 Speaker 50: of the other structures are are

02:21:20 Speaker 50: currently being used for any sort

02:21:22 Speaker 50: of event function. Are you able

02:21:25 Speaker 50: to verify the the large hall

02:21:28 Speaker 50: that we were showing a picture

02:21:30 Speaker 50: of was it erected without a

02:21:33 Speaker 50: building permit? I believe that is

02:21:35 Speaker 51: the case. Yes. Okay. Thank you.

02:21:38 Speaker 18: We'll go to Councillor Greg next.

02:21:44 Speaker 18: Thank you. And through your warden,

02:21:50 Speaker 18: I appreciate the opportunity to speak

02:21:55 Speaker 18: to the motion. that's on the

02:22:01 Speaker 18: floor. I am concerned that 12

02:22:03 Speaker 18: events per year on the surface

02:22:05 Speaker 18: looks like they could easily be

02:22:07 Speaker 18: spread out through the year, but

02:22:09 Speaker 36: I think that's quite unlikely. I

02:22:13 Speaker 36: am concerned for the neighbours that

02:22:15 Speaker 36: it could be an intensification over

02:22:16 Speaker 36: the May to September preferred months,

02:22:22 Speaker 52: the nicer climate. This weekend will

02:22:25 Speaker 24: be the Summerfolk Festival in Owen

02:22:33 Speaker 21: Sound, and I live greater than

02:22:37 Speaker 21: two kilometres away from the bandshell,

02:22:43 Speaker 21: and now it is open air.

02:22:44 Speaker 21: But I. will enjoy the the

02:22:45 Speaker 21: sounds of music wafting into my

02:22:47 Speaker 21: open windows, dependent upon wind direction,

02:22:52 Speaker 21: air pressure, moisture levels. So two

02:22:55 Speaker 21: kilometres of travel is is not

02:22:57 Speaker 21: to be. I mean that that's

02:22:58 Speaker 21: that's considerable. Your standard mile and

02:22:59 Speaker 21: a quarter in the in the

02:23:03 Speaker 21: rural country can travel literally a

02:23:06 Speaker 21: block under the right conditions, and

02:23:08 Speaker 21: I think it is fair to.

02:23:14 Speaker 21: think that that door could be

02:23:16 Speaker 21: open and probably would be, given

02:23:20 Speaker 21: the climatic conditions outside and warm

02:23:23 Speaker 21: versus cold, whatever. So I am

02:23:28 Speaker 21: concerned for the neighbours. I'm concerned

02:23:31 Speaker 21: about the introduction of significant potential

02:23:32 Speaker 21: conflict to the community. I couldn't

02:23:35 Speaker 21: agree any more with Councillor Nielsen

02:23:37 Speaker 21: about your comments about the county

02:23:40 Speaker 21: waiting into the profitability and the

02:23:42 Speaker 21: business case. I don't think that's

02:23:46 Speaker 21: something that should be part of

02:23:50 Speaker 21: our consideration. Part of our considerations

02:23:53 Speaker 21: that is something that is dependent

02:23:56 Speaker 21: upon the developer, the proponent, the

02:23:58 Speaker 21: applicant. When you purchase a property,

02:24:03 Speaker 53: you've already studied those septic systems

02:24:10 Speaker 47: that are on site. You are

02:24:14 Speaker 47: well, or should be well aware

02:24:15 Speaker 47: of the the challenges or the

02:24:19 Speaker 47: opportunities that were are before you.

02:24:22 Speaker 47: And I don't think I don't

02:24:27 Speaker 47: do not agree with a three

02:24:28 Speaker 47: year allowance to come into compliance

02:24:32 Speaker 47: to have an adequately sized

02:24:35 Speaker 47: septic loading. on the site, so

02:24:38 Speaker 47: I don't think it's appropriate that

02:24:39 Speaker 47: that council would support that. And

02:24:41 Speaker 47: in this instance, I would be

02:24:44 Speaker 47: glad to support the decision making,

02:24:46 Speaker 47: which was made at the local

02:24:49 Speaker 47: level by the elected officials closest

02:24:51 Speaker 47: to their residents, and that was

02:24:53 Speaker 47: to echo the results of the

02:24:57 Speaker 47: vote from the municipality of Greyhound.

02:25:00 Speaker 47: So those are my comments. Thanks.

02:25:04 Speaker 47: Okay, thank you very much. I'm

02:25:07 Speaker 47: just. looking around the table. I

02:25:11 Speaker 47: think we have now captured all.

02:25:13 Speaker 47: Oh, Councillor Eccles. You are so

02:25:16 Speaker 47: close, that close. Is Lake Eugenia

02:25:18 Speaker 47: in a hamlet settlement, or considered

02:25:19 Speaker 47: a hamlet settlement? Portions of Lake

02:25:21 Speaker 47: Eugenia fall with. Portions of Lake

02:25:26 Speaker 47: Eugenia fall within what we call

02:25:30 Speaker 47: the secondary settlement area, and then

02:25:35 Speaker 47: portions of Lake Eugenia fall within

02:25:37 Speaker 47: the Inland Lakes and Shorelines Designation

02:25:39 Speaker 47: Area. So this particular property is

02:25:42 Speaker 47: just north of a portion of

02:25:44 Speaker 47: the Inland Lakes and Shorelines Designation

02:25:48 Speaker 47: Area. Okay, thank you. Any? Oh,

02:25:50 Speaker 47: is there a follow up? Of

02:25:53 Speaker 47: course. Under the current policies, it's

02:25:55 Speaker 47: 0.85. Did I understand that correctly?

02:25:59 Speaker 47: That would connect this. So the

02:26:00 Speaker 47: reason that they're here is because

02:26:04 Speaker 47: they want it to be bigger.

02:26:05 Speaker 47: So this will be somewhat. They're

02:26:08 Speaker 47: going for 1.05 hectares to be

02:26:10 Speaker 47: covered in this. So this is

02:26:11 Speaker 47: kind of precedent setting. We're going

02:26:14 Speaker 47: to set a precedent that we're

02:26:16 Speaker 47: going to deviate from. policy. See

02:26:18 Speaker 47: how that goes, because there's other

02:26:23 Speaker 47: things that we certainly couldn't deviate

02:26:26 Speaker 54: for policy because it would be

02:26:29 Speaker 54: a precedent-setting thing. With that said,

02:26:32 Speaker 54: and it goes back to the

02:26:34 Speaker 54: comment, we have a number of

02:26:36 Speaker 54: other of these types of facilities

02:26:38 Speaker 54: throughout the. county, and certainly a

02:26:42 Speaker 54: couple of them, even within the

02:26:44 Speaker 54: municipality of Gray Highlands. And it

02:26:46 Speaker 54: was indicated by one of the

02:26:48 Speaker 54: presenters this morning that that was

02:26:50 Speaker 54: enough because they operate very. There

02:26:51 Speaker 54: is no problem with them. So,

02:26:54 Speaker 54: what's the difference from the noise,

02:26:56 Speaker 54: from the septic, from everything else,

02:27:00 Speaker 54: from the ones that are operating

02:27:03 Speaker 54: that don't seem to. be a

02:27:05 Speaker 54: problem to this one. Any comments

02:27:09 Speaker 54: or questions? Thank you for those

02:27:10 Speaker 54: questions. So just to confirm, with

02:27:12 Speaker 54: regards to your comment on the

02:27:14 Speaker 54: zero point eight, so this file

02:27:17 Speaker 54: was submitted in, I believe, August

02:27:18 Speaker 54: of twenty twenty four. And so,

02:27:28 Speaker 54: under our official plan, which is

02:27:29 Speaker 54: slightly different than the provincial planning

02:27:31 Speaker 54: statement, we make decisions and planning

02:27:32 Speaker 54: recommendations based on the official planning

02:27:33 Speaker 54: policies that were in effect at

02:27:36 Speaker 54: the time of application submission. So,

02:27:37 Speaker 54: at the time of application submission,

02:27:40 Speaker 54: we did not, at that point,

02:27:44 Speaker 54: have policies in place, any policies

02:27:46 Speaker 54: in place to kind of provide

02:27:49 Speaker 54: policy guidance or frameworks around special

02:27:52 Speaker 14: event. venue types of uses, in

02:27:57 Speaker 14: May 2025, so this year, County

02:27:58 Speaker 14: Council did approve OPA 23, which

02:28:00 Speaker 14: was a amendment to our official

02:28:02 Speaker 14: plan that looked at altering numerous

02:28:04 Speaker 14: land use land uses within the

02:28:07 Speaker 14: rural designation and and kind of

02:28:10 Speaker 14: enhancing and refining some of the

02:28:11 Speaker 14: policies around those and what would

02:28:13 Speaker 14: be permitted there. And one of

02:28:15 Speaker 14: those policies that was was approved

02:28:17 Speaker 14: through OPA 23 was consideration for

02:28:19 Speaker 14: small scale rural event special event

02:28:22 Speaker 14: venues, and they would essentially follow

02:28:23 Speaker 14: the same sizing criteria as our

02:28:24 Speaker 14: on farm diversified use policies. And

02:28:26 Speaker 14: so, based on those policies, for

02:28:28 Speaker 14: a 40 hectare property without an

02:28:30 Speaker 14: official plan amendment, if submitted today

02:28:31 Speaker 14: or any time after May. Today

02:28:33 Speaker 55: or anytime after May 2025, an

02:28:47 Speaker 55: applicant could potentially have a up

02:28:49 Speaker 55: to 0.8 hectare event venue, and

02:28:51 Speaker 55: that includes all the parking, the

02:28:55 Speaker 55: buildings, the servicing, everything within that

02:28:57 Speaker 55: 0.8 hectares, without the need for

02:28:58 Speaker 55: a county official plan amendment. However,

02:29:01 Speaker 55: you know, as the decision that

02:29:04 Speaker 55: we need to make today is

02:29:06 Speaker 55: based on our previous policies in

02:29:07 Speaker 55: effect, it's really just provided for

02:29:09 Speaker 55: informational purposes at at this stage,

02:29:11 Speaker 55: and for for yeah for for

02:29:13 Speaker 55: council's information, and we'll just go

02:29:15 Speaker 55: over to the CAO. And just

02:29:16 Speaker 56: further to to Becky's comments, in

02:29:20 Speaker 56: terms of you know even with

02:29:23 Speaker 56: the provisions as as noted by

02:29:24 Speaker 56: Becky that are in existence today,

02:29:26 Speaker 56: as relates to OPA twenty three,

02:29:29 Speaker 56: doesn't prevent an applicant coming forward

02:29:32 Speaker 57: to ask for any considerations beyond

02:29:37 Speaker 57: that. It is then through an

02:29:38 Speaker 44: official plan amendment process. There will

02:29:40 Speaker 44: be would be studies required, similar

02:29:42 Speaker 44: to studies that have been done

02:29:45 Speaker 44: with respect to this current application.

02:29:47 Speaker 44: Those those studies, as as Becky

02:29:49 Speaker 44: indicated, have been reviewed, and and

02:29:51 Speaker 44: based on based on that review,

02:29:53 Speaker 44: staff felt comfortable to be able

02:29:56 Speaker 44: to recommend approval and support, recognizing

02:29:57 Speaker 44: as Scott indicated that there are

02:29:59 Speaker 44: other tools and mechanisms in order

02:30:01 Speaker 44: to deal with some those other

02:30:05 Speaker 44: concerns that have been expressed through.

02:30:07 Speaker 44: both the zoning bylaw as well

02:30:08 Speaker 44: as the site plan process. Okay.

02:30:10 Speaker 18: Did there is an error? Oh,

02:30:13 Speaker 18: there we go, Councillor McQueen. Thank

02:30:18 Speaker 18: you, Madam Warden. I'm just sort

02:30:20 Speaker 18: of following up on a point

02:30:22 Speaker 18: that was made by Councillor Eccles,

02:30:26 Speaker 18: in the sense of I think

02:30:27 Speaker 18: it was mentioned from the first

02:30:30 Speaker 18: presenter today that there was an

02:30:32 Speaker 18: accommodation site and. Site ten camping,

02:30:35 Speaker 18: I think, that was approved. Maybe

02:30:38 Speaker 18: a year and a half ago,

02:30:42 Speaker 18: was on a forty hectare, hundred

02:30:44 Speaker 18: acre parcel. There was there was

02:30:46 Speaker 18: some concerns around it. It was

02:30:48 Speaker 58: approved, but it's not an event.

02:30:50 Speaker 58: It's it's it was approved with

02:30:52 Speaker 58: it was a I think limited

02:30:53 Speaker 58: parking, limited space. It was accommodation

02:30:54 Speaker 58: for people to come and enjoy

02:31:04 Speaker 58: it, but not to be at

02:31:05 Speaker 58: an event or. or an event

02:31:06 Speaker 58: being hosted, I don't know if

02:31:22 Speaker 58: that adds clarity to what Council

02:31:23 Speaker 58: Eccles was mentioning, but it's sort

02:31:24 Speaker 58: of, yeah, there was it's not

02:31:25 Speaker 58: being generating noise. There was noise

02:31:32 Speaker 58: concerns when it was brought to

02:31:36 Speaker 58: to Council at that time, but

02:31:38 Speaker 59: it's on a larger piece of

02:31:43 Speaker 59: land. And anyway, at the time,

02:31:45 Speaker 59: Council did support that, but it's

02:31:49 Speaker 59: only for accommodation, not an event.

02:31:50 Speaker 59: Okay. Any other comments? Okay, I'm

02:31:53 Speaker 59: not seeing further hands. Madam Clerk,

02:31:56 Speaker 59: you wanted to address some wording

02:31:59 Speaker 59: in the motion. Yes, thank you,

02:32:01 Speaker 59: Madam Warden. Through you, just in

02:32:03 Speaker 59: a quick discussion with the Director

02:32:08 Speaker 59: of Planning, I'm just wondering about

02:32:10 Speaker 60: Council's indulgence to put forward an

02:32:12 Speaker 60: amendment to remove the wording and

02:32:13 Speaker 60: that staff be directed to prepare

02:32:20 Speaker 60: a bylaw for approval by County

02:32:24 Speaker 60: Council from the second. clause of

02:32:39 Speaker 60: the motion, just because, given my

02:32:40 Speaker 60: understanding in those discussions, that there

02:32:42 Speaker 60: will be a bylaw come forward

02:32:45 Speaker 60: regardless of how County Council votes

02:32:46 Speaker 60: on this matter, and then as

02:32:48 Speaker 60: that is the official mechanism to

02:32:49 Speaker 60: change the OPA. But I may

02:32:51 Speaker 60: look to to Director Taylor to

02:32:55 Speaker 60: correct any incorrect information I've conveyed

02:32:57 Speaker 60: there. Director Taylor. Thank you, Madam

02:32:59 Speaker 60: Warden. Through you, the clerk is

02:33:00 Speaker 60: 100 right. That's sort of standard

02:33:02 Speaker 60: wording in our official plan amendment

02:33:04 Speaker 60: recommendations. But regardless of whether or

02:33:05 Speaker 60: not council is supportive or not

02:33:07 Speaker 60: supportive, the bylaw still needs to

02:33:08 Speaker 60: come forward for that decision to

02:33:10 Speaker 60: be made. So we'll have presumably

02:33:12 Speaker 60: the vote here today. But then

02:33:14 Speaker 60: the bylaw would come forward to

02:33:15 Speaker 60: county council, and that's when it

02:33:17 Speaker 60: would officially be approved or refused

02:33:20 Speaker 61: or further deferred at that time.

03:37:15 Speaker 61: Okay. So with that clarification. then

03:37:16 Speaker 61: there is a request for an

03:37:18 Speaker 61: amendment to the main motion. Is

03:37:19 Speaker 61: there a mover for that, Councillor

03:37:21 Speaker 58: Hutchinson? Seconder, Councillor Dobrin. Okay, so

03:37:23 Speaker 58: it's moved and seconded as an

03:37:26 Speaker 58: amendment to the main motion, and

03:37:27 Speaker 58: it's there up on the screen.

03:37:30 Speaker 58: And that the motion be amended

03:37:31 Speaker 58: to remove the wording, and that

03:37:33 Speaker 58: staff be directed to prepare a

03:37:36 Speaker 58: bylaw to for approval by County

03:37:38 Speaker 58: Council. from the second clause. Okay.

03:37:40 Speaker 58: Any discussion on that amendment? All

03:37:42 Speaker 58: those in favour of the amendment,

03:37:45 Speaker 58: and that is carried. Okay. Thank

03:37:46 Speaker 58: you. So we'll give the clerk

03:37:47 Speaker 58: a chance to update the wording

03:37:50 Speaker 58: of the main motion, and if

03:37:51 Speaker 57: I don't see any further hands

03:37:56 Speaker 57: up in a moment, I will

03:37:57 Speaker 57: call that vote. And Madam. Clerk,

03:38:00 Speaker 57: if you can just make sure

03:38:02 Speaker 57: that that's right up on the

03:38:03 Speaker 57: screen, the whole motion. Okay. So,

03:38:04 Speaker 44: Madam Clerk, could you please read

03:38:08 Speaker 44: that out for us, just so

03:38:09 Speaker 44: we all know what we're voting

03:38:12 Speaker 44: on. So that report, PDRCW fifty

03:38:13 Speaker 44: two. For PDR CW 52-25 regarding

03:38:15 Speaker 44: OPA 22 Bcom Inc. be received

03:38:17 Speaker 44: and that official plan amendment 4208180

03:38:20 Speaker 44: OPA 22 Bcom Inc. also known

03:38:21 Speaker 44: as Highland Estate State, which proposes

03:38:24 Speaker 44: a site-specific exception to the rural

03:38:26 Speaker 44: designation to permit a special events

03:38:28 Speaker 44: venue on approximately 1.05 hectares of

03:38:32 Speaker 44: land, legally described as Part Lot

03:38:33 Speaker 44: 33 Concession 13 in the geographic

03:38:35 Speaker 44: township of Partemisia. Township of Artemisia,

03:38:37 Speaker 44: now in the municipality of Grey

03:38:39 Speaker 44: Highlands, be supported. Okay, thank you.

03:38:41 Speaker 44: So it's been discussed, it's been

03:38:42 Speaker 44: moved, it's been seconded. I'm going

03:38:44 Speaker 44: to call the vote now. All

03:38:45 Speaker 44: those in favour? Okay, Madam Clerk.

03:38:46 Speaker 44: Those opposed? Okay, and I can

03:38:48 Speaker 44: declare that this motion has failed.

03:38:51 Speaker 44: Okay, thank you very much, Miss

03:38:52 Speaker 44: Hillier, and also to Director Taylor

03:38:54 Speaker 44: for the extra information. And as

03:38:56 Speaker 44: as I will echo, as the

03:38:58 Speaker 44: comments have been, we have very

03:39:00 Speaker 44: much appreciated all the detail that

03:39:02 Speaker 44: has gone into this report. Thank

03:39:03 Speaker 44: you. Okay, so with that, now

03:39:05 Speaker 44: we are approaching twelve thirty, and

03:39:06 Speaker 44: we do have a heavy agenda.

03:39:09 Speaker 44: I am going to, and just

03:39:11 Speaker 58: in conjunction with lunch and some

03:39:16 Speaker 58: other obligations that will happen, what

03:39:19 Speaker 58: we will do is we will

03:39:21 Speaker 58: now break until 1:30, and then

03:39:24 Speaker 58: we will pick up the agenda

03:39:26 Speaker 58: and move on from there. So

03:39:28 Speaker 58: we will take a break, lunch,

03:39:31 Speaker 58: and anything else, and then we

03:39:33 Speaker 58: will be back here in the

03:39:36 Speaker 58: chamber at 1:30 to continue with

03:39:37 Speaker 58: the open portion of the agenda.

03:39:39 Speaker 58: Thank you. Okay, welcome back, Committee.

03:39:42 Speaker 58: The whole members, we are here

03:39:45 Speaker 58: picking up on our agenda items,

03:39:51 Speaker 58: and we had finished with. We

03:39:52 Speaker 21: had just before lunch, we had

03:39:56 Speaker 21: stopped after a motion for item

03:39:57 Speaker 21: seven a, but to clean up

03:40:01 Speaker 21: the business and be able to

03:40:10 Speaker 21: provide the direction, there is Madam

03:40:12 Speaker 25: Clerk. Do you want to? Have

03:40:15 Speaker 25: you got that up on? There

03:40:17 Speaker 25: you go. Okay. the clerk has

03:40:20 Speaker 25: advised in terms of process, and

03:40:21 Speaker 25: I'll look to Director Taylor just

03:40:24 Speaker 25: to to give some background to

03:40:26 Speaker 25: this. We do have a recommended

03:40:28 Speaker 25: motion that we should do in

03:40:32 Speaker 25: order to be able to tie

03:40:33 Speaker 25: up what what it was that

03:40:34 Speaker 25: we discussed, and so I'll go

03:40:36 Speaker 25: over to Director Taylor. Thank you,

03:40:38 Speaker 25: Madam Warden, and and through you,

03:40:39 Speaker 25: I'll try to keep this brief.

03:40:41 Speaker 25: We we've done some discussions and

03:40:43 Speaker 25: some research over the lunch hour.

03:40:44 Speaker 25: We don't. luckily, at the county,

03:40:45 Speaker 25: deal with many refusals of official

03:40:46 Speaker 25: plan amendments. And and the question

03:40:49 Speaker 25: was put to us, raised by

03:40:52 Speaker 25: the CAO, does the bylaw at

03:40:56 Speaker 25: council need to be refused, or

03:40:58 Speaker 62: can we simply pass, or can

03:41:04 Speaker 62: council simply pass a motion here

03:41:04 Speaker 62: today, stating council's intent to refuse?

03:41:06 Speaker 62: And when those minutes get ratified

03:41:07 Speaker 44: by county council on September the

03:41:10 Speaker 44: 11th, that's when that refusal would

03:41:11 Speaker 44: happen, if that's council's wish. The

03:41:13 Speaker 44: challenge with with the way we

03:41:14 Speaker 44: left it after lunch is we

03:41:16 Speaker 44: simply have a a lost motion

03:41:17 Speaker 44: for support. And I think as

03:41:18 Speaker 44: staff, you know, we we can

03:41:20 Speaker 44: read the room and and we

03:41:21 Speaker 44: understand. I think where council's direction

03:41:22 Speaker 44: is, but formally in the minutes.

03:41:24 Speaker 44: And if this were to get

03:41:25 Speaker 44: appealed or a non decision were

03:41:27 Speaker 44: to be appealed, I don't think

03:41:30 Speaker 44: that's crystal clear. So with council's

03:41:32 Speaker 44: indulgence and and thanks to the

03:41:33 Speaker 44: the speedy work of the clerks,

03:41:35 Speaker 44: they put together a further motion,

03:41:38 Speaker 44: just noting that the official plan

03:41:41 Speaker 44: amendment would be would be refused.

03:41:43 Speaker 44: We wouldn't bring. the bylaw forward

03:41:45 Speaker 44: to council, and then simply if

03:41:47 Speaker 44: council passes the minutes on September

03:41:49 Speaker 44: 11th, and that's when the notice

03:41:54 Speaker 44: of decision would go out. Okay,

03:41:59 Speaker 44: thank you for that background. So

03:42:00 Speaker 21: it's recommended that official plan amendment

03:42:03 Speaker 21: 4208180 OPA 22 OPA 22 ViaCom

03:42:04 Speaker 21: Inc., also known as Highland Estate,

03:42:06 Speaker 21: which proposes a site-specific exception to

03:42:11 Speaker 21: the rural designation to permit a

03:42:13 Speaker 21: special events venue on the on

03:42:16 Speaker 21: approximately 1. On approximately 1.05 hectares

03:42:20 Speaker 21: of lands legally described as Part

03:42:27 Speaker 21: Lot 33, Concession 13, in the

03:42:28 Speaker 44: geographic township of Artemisia, now in

03:42:31 Speaker 44: the municipality of Grey Highlands, be

03:42:32 Speaker 44: refused. May I ask for a

03:42:34 Speaker 44: mover? Moved by Councillor Nielsen, seconded

03:42:36 Speaker 44: by Councillor Gregg. Any discussion? Yes,

03:42:37 Speaker 44: Councillor Eccles. So, how is this

03:42:39 Speaker 44: different from the motion that we

03:42:40 Speaker 44: just turned down? And if that's

03:42:41 Speaker 44: the case. and partly in procedure,

03:42:46 Speaker 44: should we not bring that last

03:42:48 Speaker 44: one back? So the last one,

03:42:50 Speaker 44: we didn't actually execute an action;

03:42:52 Speaker 44: we just simply voted down an

03:42:54 Speaker 44: action. So the recommended motion was

03:42:57 Speaker 44: to support; we voted that down.

03:42:59 Speaker 44: So in order to be able

03:43:00 Speaker 44: to affirm an action that goes

03:43:02 Speaker 44: with that. The this one is

03:43:05 Speaker 44: the same except it now says

03:43:06 Speaker 44: be refused. And as Director Taylor

03:43:09 Speaker 44: said, that would put it into

03:43:12 Speaker 44: the minutes, thus, so that when

03:43:15 Speaker 44: we get to council two weeks

03:43:17 Speaker 44: from or at our next council

03:43:18 Speaker 44: meeting, there would be no bylaw,

03:43:20 Speaker 44: and this would be in. But

03:43:22 Speaker 44: if this were to pass, if

03:43:24 Speaker 44: this were to be moved, seconded,

03:43:27 Speaker 44: and passed, well, it's already moved

03:43:29 Speaker 44: and seconded. If this were to

03:43:31 Speaker 44: pass, then that would provide clear

03:43:32 Speaker 44: direction, as opposed to non decision.

03:43:34 Speaker 44: does, and I'll look to staff

03:43:35 Speaker 44: if if they can provide any

03:43:37 Speaker 44: further clarification, Director Taylor. Thank you,

03:43:38 Speaker 44: Madam Warden. I think you've done

03:43:39 Speaker 44: a great job explaining it. The

03:43:41 Speaker 44: one sort of further nuance here,

03:43:44 Speaker 44: just for council's consideration, when we

03:43:47 Speaker 63: talk about appeal rights to the

03:43:49 Speaker 63: Ontario Land Tribunal, basically there's three

03:43:52 Speaker 63: types of appeals: there's the appeal

03:43:53 Speaker 63: of an approval, the appeal of

03:43:57 Speaker 63: a refusal, or the appeal of

03:43:59 Speaker 63: a non decision. So in theory,

03:44:03 Speaker 63: and I certainly don't want to

03:44:04 Speaker 63: speculate too far or wish to

03:44:08 Speaker 63: speak on behalf of the applicant.

03:44:11 Speaker 63: Wish to speak on behalf the

03:44:14 Speaker 63: applicant. After today, if they wished,

03:44:16 Speaker 63: if they didn't want to wait

03:44:18 Speaker 63: for this matter to come forward

03:44:20 Speaker 63: on September 11th, they may consider

03:44:23 Speaker 63: appealing a non decision of County

03:44:26 Speaker 63: Council on the County Official Plan

03:44:28 Speaker 63: Amendment. And so, if that were

03:44:32 Speaker 63: to happen, this motion makes it

03:44:38 Speaker 63: clear on what County Council's direction

03:44:43 Speaker 63: was, even if they hadn't formally

03:44:45 Speaker 63: executed that yet, because it's County

03:44:47 Speaker 63: Council that's the approval body or

03:44:48 Speaker 63: refusal body for official plan amendments

03:44:49 Speaker 63: in that regard. any follow-up council

03:44:51 Speaker 63: circles? So we amended the first

03:44:53 Speaker 63: motion to take out the bylaw

03:44:55 Speaker 21: because that, at that point in

03:44:59 Speaker 21: time, when the understanding was, it

03:45:03 Speaker 21: absolutely had to come back as

03:45:06 Speaker 64: a bylaw for September the 11th.

03:45:10 Speaker 64: Now we're putting this motion through

03:45:14 Speaker 64: to say we're refusing it, so

03:45:15 Speaker 64: that the bylaw. Doesn't have to

03:45:16 Speaker 64: come here, Director Taylor. Yeah, through

03:45:19 Speaker 64: you, Madam Warden. That's on me,

03:45:23 Speaker 64: Councillor Eccles. I was messaging back

03:45:24 Speaker 64: and forth with the clerk. My

03:45:26 Speaker 64: my initial read of it was

03:45:27 Speaker 64: that that the bylaw did need

03:45:29 Speaker 64: to come back to County Council

03:45:31 Speaker 05: for a formal decision. In doing

03:45:34 Speaker 05: some further research over the lunch

03:45:36 Speaker 24: hour and looking at some other

03:45:50 Speaker 24: municipal approaches, there it appears another

03:45:51 Speaker 24: option is that the the motion

03:45:52 Speaker 24: be passed for refusal, and then

03:45:53 Speaker 24: that motion be be passed with

03:45:55 Speaker 65: the minutes, rather than having to

03:45:57 Speaker 65: have that formal bylaw come forward.

03:45:59 Speaker 65: So I believe both are options.

03:46:02 Speaker 65: Council could vote down the bylaw

03:46:04 Speaker 65: on September the 11th, or we

03:46:06 Speaker 65: could have this motion here today.

03:46:07 Speaker 65: Staff just felt in in discussion

03:46:08 Speaker 65: with the CEO and the clerk

03:46:10 Speaker 65: that this provided clear direction, sort

03:46:12 Speaker 65: of in that interim period up

03:46:15 Speaker 65: until September 11th. The other thing

03:46:17 Speaker 66: that that staff noted. The other

03:46:20 Speaker 66: thing that staff noted is normally

03:46:21 Speaker 66: when we're dealing with the county

03:46:27 Speaker 66: council session at the beginning of

03:46:29 Speaker 66: our day, there can be bylaws

03:46:32 Speaker 66: grouped together. And so, if we

03:46:34 Speaker 66: were looking at refusal, then council

03:46:35 Speaker 66: might need to separate, say, the

03:46:39 Speaker 66: confirming bylaw from this bylaw or

03:46:41 Speaker 66: any other bylaws that stem out

03:46:43 Speaker 66: of today's meeting. So we just

03:46:45 Speaker 66: felt that this was perhaps a

03:46:47 Speaker 66: cleaner option, but certainly at the

03:46:49 Speaker 66: disposal of council as to how

03:46:52 Speaker 66: they wish to deal with this

03:46:54 Speaker 66: one. We'll go to the CAO

03:46:57 Speaker 66: and just further discuss comments and.

03:47:00 Speaker 66: I think he noted earlier we

03:47:02 Speaker 66: don't often deal with refusals of

03:47:05 Speaker 66: OPA. So, just based on further

03:47:08 Speaker 66: research, we think this is the

03:47:09 Speaker 66: cleanest approach in terms of formalizing

03:47:13 Speaker 66: direction from the committee. The whole

03:47:15 Speaker 66: in terms of whether or not

03:47:18 Speaker 66: this committee whole wants to

03:47:21 Speaker 66: refuse this OPA. Again, we can

03:47:26 Speaker 66: we can assume that the the

03:47:29 Speaker 66: not supporting the the last. motion

03:47:32 Speaker 66: is is is similar to that

03:47:35 Speaker 66: direction, but this is clarifies that

03:47:37 Speaker 66: absolute direction, and it relates back

03:47:39 Speaker 66: to what Director Taylor indicated with

03:47:42 Speaker 66: respect to the options available to

03:47:43 Speaker 66: committee and eventually council when they

03:47:46 Speaker 66: when they ratify this to to

03:47:47 Speaker 66: either refuse, approve, or approve with

03:47:49 Speaker 66: modifications. Okay, thank you. That's good.

03:47:52 Speaker 66: Kill circles. I wish I would

03:47:54 Speaker 66: have had this option beforehand. I'll

03:47:56 Speaker 66: just put it in. It would

03:47:58 Speaker 66: certainly change how I voted on

03:48:00 Speaker 66: the last one because I was

03:48:04 Speaker 66: looking forward to seeing that bylaw

03:48:06 Speaker 66: come forward, and that was the

03:48:09 Speaker 66: position that we would make our

03:48:10 Speaker 66: final and direct comments on and

03:48:12 Speaker 66: vote on. Now we're here with

03:48:13 Speaker 66: this, so yep. Let's go forward.

03:48:15 Speaker 66: Okay. Thank you. Are there any

03:48:18 Speaker 66: other? comments? Okay, it's been moved

03:48:19 Speaker 66: and seconded and read out. Then

03:48:22 Speaker 66: I'll call the vote. All those

03:48:23 Speaker 66: in favour, and that motion is

03:48:25 Speaker 66: carried. Thank you. Okay, so that

03:48:29 Speaker 66: allows us to move on

7.b PDR-CW-44-25 Paid Parking Options for the Rail Trail and County Forests Report

Ms. Johnson presented a report on paid parking options for county-owned lots along rail trails and forest properties. Staff recommended receiving the report but advised against implementing a paid parking system at this time due to insufficient amenities and tourism traffic. The motion to receive the report and not implement the system was moved by the deputy warden, seconded by Councillor Eccles, and carried.

03:48:31 Speaker 66: to item seven B, and for

03:48:33 Speaker 66: that, do we have Ms. Johnson?

03:48:36 Speaker 66: Yes, we do. Here she comes.

03:48:41 Speaker 66: Welcome, Ms. Johnson, as our trails

03:48:42 Speaker 66: and forestry coordinator, to speak about

03:48:45 Speaker 66: the parking, pay parking options for

03:48:47 Speaker 66: rail trails. Welcome. Sorry, just before

03:48:48 Speaker 66: you begin, let me just get

03:48:49 Speaker 66: a motion on the floor for

03:48:51 Speaker 66: you while you get yourself set

03:48:53 Speaker 66: up there. So it is recommended

03:48:54 Speaker 66: that Report PDR CW forty four

03:48:56 Speaker 66: twenty five be received, and that

03:48:58 Speaker 66: no paid parking system for county-owned

03:49:00 Speaker 66: parking lots along the rail trail

03:49:04 Speaker 66: and county forest be implemented at

03:49:05 Speaker 66: this time. Is there a mover

03:49:08 Speaker 66: for that? Moved by the deputy

03:49:11 Speaker 66: warden, seconded by Councillor Eccles. It's

03:49:13 Speaker 66: now on the floor for discussion.

03:49:14 Speaker 66: Welcome. The floor is yours. Thank

03:49:16 Speaker 66: you, Warden. Good afternoon, Council. So

03:49:18 Speaker 66: I have the opportunity this afternoon

03:49:21 Speaker 66: to talk to you about paid

03:49:22 Speaker 66: parking options. Very riveting conversation. Just

03:49:25 Speaker 66: for a little bit of background,

03:49:26 Speaker 66: as Council will remember, in March

03:49:32 Speaker 66: earlier this year, staff were directed

03:49:34 Speaker 66: to bring back a report containing.

03:49:36 Speaker 66: options for parking revenue options along

03:49:37 Speaker 66: Gray County rail trail systems. So

03:49:41 Speaker 66: Gray County has forty-five forest properties

03:49:43 Speaker 66: as well as seventy-seven kilometres of

03:49:47 Speaker 66: trail that are spread across almost

03:49:50 Speaker 66: all of the municipalities, saving except

03:49:51 Speaker 66: for Hanover. And relative to the

03:49:53 Speaker 66: volume of these recreational problem or

03:49:56 Speaker 66: properties, there are not many county-owned

03:49:58 Speaker 66: parking areas that serve them. As

03:50:01 Speaker 66: we noted in the winter months

03:50:03 Speaker 66: this past season. the cost to

03:50:05 Speaker 66: maintain these parking areas is particularly

03:50:07 Speaker 66: high, and it can range anywhere

03:50:10 Speaker 66: from twenty to twenty-five thousand dollars

03:50:12 Speaker 66: in in any given year. So,

03:50:14 Speaker 66: we were asked to look at

03:50:16 Speaker 66: options regarding increased revenue, including paid

03:50:18 Speaker 66: parking. So, for the purposes of

03:50:20 Speaker 66: this staff report, we evaluated only

03:50:22 Speaker 66: properties that had what were established

03:50:28 Speaker 66: parking areas. and the qualifiers for

03:50:29 Speaker 66: what as what what an established

03:50:31 Speaker 66: parking area was that it wasn't

03:50:33 Speaker 66: simply roadside parking, it wasn't simply

03:50:34 Speaker 66: an entrance where you could pull

03:50:37 Speaker 66: in, and it wasn't the space

03:50:39 Speaker 66: had to accommodate more than two

03:50:40 Speaker 66: vehicles and that the property was

03:50:41 Speaker 66: owned and maintained by the county.

03:50:43 Speaker 66: So, out of all of the

03:50:45 Speaker 66: forest properties, there were four that

03:50:47 Speaker 66: were identified as meeting that criteria,

03:50:49 Speaker 66: and then along the rail trail,

03:50:51 Speaker 66: there was also. two. So within

03:50:52 Speaker 66: our Gray County forest properties, that

03:50:54 Speaker 66: included Harkway, Lily Oak, Camp Oliver,

03:50:56 Speaker 66: and Calapoor, and then along the

03:50:58 Speaker 66: rail trail, there was the newly

03:51:00 Speaker 66: established lot that was built in

03:51:05 Speaker 66: 2023 at Gray Road 18 in

03:51:06 Speaker 66: Rockford, and then the Markdale lot,

03:51:08 Speaker 66: which is right off Gray Road

03:51:11 Speaker 66: 12 or Main Street. I also

03:51:12 Speaker 66: want to acknowledge that there are

03:51:15 Speaker 66: a number of non-county-owned properties that

03:51:17 Speaker 66: help facilitate park. Or sorry, non-county.

03:51:20 Speaker 66: Sorry, non-county-owned properties that also help

03:51:24 Speaker 66: facilitate parking in some of these

03:51:26 Speaker 66: areas, as well as municipal lots

03:51:29 Speaker 66: and and organisations that participate. But

03:51:32 Speaker 66: for the purposes of this report,

03:51:33 Speaker 66: we were only going to be

03:51:36 Speaker 66: dealing with these six here. Now,

03:51:40 Speaker 66: in light of the fact that

03:51:42 Speaker 66: we've got a really big agenda

03:51:44 Speaker 66: today and we've already had a

03:51:45 Speaker 66: long morning, I'm not going to

03:51:47 Speaker 66: and that I wrote a really

03:51:51 Speaker 66: epic report for you. I'm not

03:51:53 Speaker 66: going to go into any great

03:51:54 Speaker 66: detail in. reviewing each of these

03:51:56 Speaker 66: parking lots one by one, but

03:51:58 Speaker 66: I do simply want to highlight

03:51:59 Speaker 66: the fact that the analysis of

03:52:02 Speaker 66: those these lots in particular established

03:52:04 Speaker 66: that if we were to move

03:52:06 Speaker 66: forward with a paid parking system,

03:52:07 Speaker 66: only really three of them should

03:52:10 Speaker 66: be considered, and those would be

03:52:14 Speaker 66: Calipor, Rockford, and Markdale. And this

03:52:17 Speaker 66: was for the rationale that they

03:52:20 Speaker 66: had a certain level of maintenance

03:52:21 Speaker 66: and they were known to have

03:52:23 Speaker 66: a higher. use, Markdale, Markdale, and

03:52:26 Speaker 66: Calipor in particular are have been

03:52:30 Speaker 66: maintained in the past in winter

03:52:31 Speaker 66: months, and then again, Rockford was

03:52:33 Speaker 66: just recently constructed in 2023, but

03:52:35 Speaker 66: it has not to date been

03:52:37 Speaker 66: maintained in the winter months. So,

03:52:40 Speaker 66: jumping ahead in my report, I

03:52:43 Speaker 66: we wanted to look at comparators

03:52:44 Speaker 66: that were in within our area.

03:52:48 Speaker 66: Staff reached out to neighbouring. counties,

03:52:51 Speaker 66: our lower tiers, and the CAs

03:52:53 Speaker 66: that have properties within our boundaries.

03:52:54 Speaker 66: None of our neighbouring counties, and

03:52:57 Speaker 66: that included Bruce Simco and Dufferin,

03:53:01 Speaker 66: had paid parking programmemes for

03:53:04 Speaker 66: any of their recreational properties. Of

03:53:05 Speaker 66: the lower tiers within Gray, Blue

03:53:07 Speaker 66: Mountains, Meaford, and On Sound, all

03:53:09 Speaker 66: had some sort of payment parking

03:53:12 Speaker 66: related to recreational areas. And then

03:53:14 Speaker 66: all three of the CAs that

03:53:16 Speaker 66: have properties within Gray County had

03:53:17 Speaker 66: some sort of payment programme in

03:53:21 Speaker 66: place. So I just want to

03:53:22 Speaker 66: have a little caveat here. I

03:53:25 Speaker 66: do highlight a number of different

03:53:28 Speaker 66: apps that these organisations in the

03:53:29 Speaker 66: next couple of slides use for

03:53:31 Speaker 66: payment. I'm by no means an

03:53:34 Speaker 66: expert on any of these, but

03:53:35 Speaker 66: simply that they are the vessel

03:53:37 Speaker 66: that they they use to collect

03:53:39 Speaker 66: payment and issue receipts. Within my

03:53:41 Speaker 66: report, there is some values that

03:53:43 Speaker 66: have been provided regarding certain apps,

03:53:48 Speaker 66: but for this analysis, I'm not

03:53:51 Speaker 66: going to go into any great

03:53:53 Speaker 66: level of detail. just simply what

03:53:54 Speaker 66: app they use. So for the

03:53:56 Speaker 66: town of the Blue Mountains, they

03:53:57 Speaker 66: have a parking programme in place

03:54:03 Speaker 66: for non-residents. It is it is

03:54:06 Speaker 66: not for all lots, and not

03:54:07 Speaker 66: all lots are the same rate.

03:54:09 Speaker 66: For example, I believe their waterfront

03:54:10 Speaker 66: lot or properties or that are

03:54:13 Speaker 66: used for access to waterfront properties

03:54:15 Speaker 66: are more than what an in-town

03:54:18 Speaker 66: lot may cost. They use what's

03:54:20 Speaker 66: called the Honk mobile app. and

03:54:21 Speaker 66: yeah, I think that's all for

03:54:25 Speaker 66: Blue Mountains. The municipality of Meaford

03:54:27 Speaker 66: also uses Honk, and it's used

03:54:29 Speaker 67: at Memorial Park only, and it

03:54:35 Speaker 67: is for non-residents as well. It

03:54:36 Speaker 66: is in effect from May first

03:54:38 Speaker 66: to October thirty first. The city

03:54:40 Speaker 66: of Owen Sound a little bit

03:54:42 Speaker 66: different, but they have camping at

03:54:44 Speaker 66: both Harrison Park and Castle Beach

03:54:47 Speaker 66: Park at certain times of the

03:54:49 Speaker 66: year. They require bookings, and

03:54:54 Speaker 66: those bookings would allow for the

03:54:56 Speaker 66: camping as well as parking associated

03:54:59 Speaker 66: with that. And then they also

03:55:00 Speaker 66: have free parking spots for visitors

03:55:02 Speaker 66: and day users at those

03:55:04 Speaker 66: properties as well. Also, we've learned

03:55:06 Speaker 66: that in twenty twenty five there

03:55:09 Speaker 66: will be a paid parking pass

03:55:10 Speaker 66: for the fishing derby, so it'll

03:55:13 Speaker 66: be interesting to hear how that

03:55:15 Speaker 66: turns out this year. For the

03:55:17 Speaker 66: conservation authorities, they seem to have

03:55:19 Speaker 66: had a. lot, or this programmemes

03:55:22 Speaker 66: in effect for a little bit

03:55:26 Speaker 66: longer. For example, Grace Sauble has

03:55:28 Speaker 66: had some sort of paid programme,

03:55:31 Speaker 66: parking programme in place since 2012.

03:55:33 Speaker 66: Each of the three municipalities that

03:55:35 Speaker 66: we spoke with all started with

03:55:38 Speaker 66: a company called McKay Pay, and

03:55:41 Speaker 66: then once that company closed, they

03:55:43 Speaker 66: have all adopted slightly different models.

03:55:44 Speaker 66: Grace Sauble has had paid parking

03:55:46 Speaker 66: at has paid parking at many

03:55:48 Speaker 66: of its properties. some of

03:55:50 Speaker 66: which have staff members at peak

03:55:52 Speaker 66: times. They have gates and booths,

03:55:55 Speaker 66: and some are not manned at

03:55:57 Speaker 66: all, and they just use QR

03:56:00 Speaker 66: codes. They use Square, and then

03:56:02 Speaker 66: we also additionally asked each conservation

03:56:05 Speaker 66: authority if they did any winter

03:56:06 Speaker 66: maintenance at these lots. And so,

03:56:08 Speaker 66: Gray Sable indicated that they do

03:56:10 Speaker 66: winter maintenance at their administration building

03:56:13 Speaker 66: as well as Ingles Falls, and

03:56:17 Speaker 66: then they have. partnerships with clubs

03:56:20 Speaker 66: and organisations for a few of

03:56:22 Speaker 66: their other properties. Zogean Valley doesn't

03:56:24 Speaker 66: have a paid parking programme, but

03:56:25 Speaker 66: they have started a programme called

03:56:30 Speaker 66: like a membership programme. I believe

03:56:31 Speaker 66: this was so that there wasn't

03:56:32 Speaker 66: an expectation of a level of

03:56:33 Speaker 68: service that for parking areas. They

03:56:39 Speaker 68: do not use an app; they

03:56:41 Speaker 68: simply have QR codes that would

03:56:42 Speaker 68: then direct an individual right directly

03:56:58 Speaker 52: to their website to pay. And

03:57:01 Speaker 52: in the winter months, they maintain.

03:57:02 Speaker 52: three of their parking areas. NVCA

03:57:04 Speaker 52: charges for parking at their conservation

03:57:07 Speaker 52: parking lots. They use the Hot

03:57:08 Speaker 52: Spot app, and in the winter

03:57:10 Speaker 52: months, maintain two of their parking

03:57:12 Speaker 52: lots and have one plowed by

03:57:16 Speaker 52: a contractor. So, in addition to

03:57:17 Speaker 52: the comparators, staff also reached out

03:57:21 Speaker 52: to the health unit regarding the

03:57:23 Speaker 52: impacts of introducing a paid parking

03:57:26 Speaker 52: programme as it relates to equity

03:57:29 Speaker 52: and health. They did provide comments

03:57:32 Speaker 52: that it would it could introduce

03:57:34 Speaker 52: a barrier for some some users.

03:57:36 Speaker 52: And in addition to this, they

03:57:38 Speaker 52: provided a comment indicating that there

03:57:40 Speaker 52: was supporting evidence that allowing equal

03:57:43 Speaker 52: access, i.e., not paid parking, to

03:57:45 Speaker 52: green spaces can be a cost

03:57:48 Speaker 52: saving to the overall healthcare system.

03:57:50 Speaker 52: So, based on what we know

03:57:52 Speaker 52: about the comparators, which is kind

03:57:54 Speaker 52: of difficult to call them comparators

03:57:56 Speaker 52: because they aren't direct comparators with

03:57:58 Speaker 52: the county, knowing that we offer

03:58:00 Speaker 52: very different things. Most of the

03:58:03 Speaker 52: comparators that we have, I've noted

03:58:06 Speaker 52: here, have considerably different amenities available

03:58:10 Speaker 52: as well as features. Staff are

03:58:12 Speaker 52: of the also, as I noted,

03:58:16 Speaker 52: are of the opinion that there

03:58:17 Speaker 52: are only certain lots; those three

03:58:20 Speaker 52: highlighted before: Calapoor, Markdale, and Rockford,

03:58:22 Speaker 52: that should be considered as part

03:58:24 Speaker 52: of a paid parking programme. Should

03:58:28 Speaker 09: have thought about that before I

03:58:32 Speaker 09: started. It's the tongue twister. So

03:58:34 Speaker 09: what we need to consider is

03:58:37 Speaker 09: staff would also need direction on

03:58:39 Speaker 09: whether or not the programme would

03:58:42 Speaker 09: be for visitors or all users.

03:58:45 Speaker 09: So residents versus non-residents. Would parking

03:58:48 Speaker 09: programmemes be for the entire year

03:58:51 Speaker 09: or only certain months? What would

03:58:54 Speaker 09: the impact to staff be to

03:58:58 Speaker 09: implement, monitor, and enforce a programme

03:59:00 Speaker 09: like this? and would the programme

03:59:03 Speaker 09: sustain itself or provide meaningful revenue

03:59:05 Speaker 09: at this time? Staff are of

03:59:06 Speaker 09: the opinion that, based on the

03:59:09 Speaker 09: research provided in the in this

03:59:11 Speaker 09: report, that there are not sufficient

03:59:14 Speaker 09: amenities, natural features, and estimate an

03:59:15 Speaker 09: estimated tourism traffic to justify implementation

03:59:17 Speaker 09: of a paid parking programme at

03:59:20 Speaker 09: this time. Within the report, there

03:59:23 Speaker 09: was also discussion regarding other options

03:59:26 Speaker 09: for parking revenue, which included a

03:59:28 Speaker 09: membership programme like SVCA or a

03:59:29 Speaker 09: voluntary. pay what you can programme,

03:59:32 Speaker 09: however, for similar reasons related to

03:59:35 Speaker 09: the research completed for paid parking,

03:59:37 Speaker 09: staff are not recommending these alternative

03:59:39 Speaker 09: options either. So, in conclusion, the

03:59:42 Speaker 09: recommendation is that this report be

03:59:46 Speaker 09: received and that no paid parking

03:59:49 Speaker 09: system be implemented at this time.

03:59:50 Speaker 09: And I'm happy to take any

03:59:52 Speaker 09: questions. Okay, thank you very much.

03:59:54 Speaker 09: And so, for that, I will

03:59:58 Speaker 09: put it out to committee. The

04:00:00 Speaker 09: whole members for questions. regarding the

04:00:03 Speaker 09: report. Not seeing any hands go

04:00:04 Speaker 09: up. And Madam Clerk, can I

04:00:06 Speaker 09: just confirm no hands up virtually

04:00:10 Speaker 09: as well? Okay, no hands virtually

04:00:14 Speaker 09: as well. So with that, then

04:00:17 Speaker 09: because of all the. the epic

04:00:18 Speaker 09: details that you put in your

04:00:19 Speaker 09: report, looks like we're ready to

04:00:20 Speaker 09: call the question. So I'll ask

04:00:23 Speaker 09: all those in favour, and that

04:00:24 Speaker 09: motion is carried. Thank you very

04:00:25 Speaker 09: much. Okay, so we'll now move

04:00:26 Speaker 09: on to Director Shaw, who will

7.c CSR-CW-12-25 Affordable Housing Funds for Lutheran Social Service Building

A motion was moved and seconded regarding affordable housing funding for a nonprofit provider in Owen Sound. The proposal included capital funds for construction and subsequent operating support contingent on occupancy. A speaker recommended that the agreements be prepared and signed prior to council approval. The body voted on the matter and the motion was carried.

04:00:28 Speaker 09: be introducing item seven C. I'll

04:00:31 Speaker 09: look for a recommendation that report

04:00:32 Speaker 05: CSR CW twelve twenty five regarding

04:00:35 Speaker 05: affordable housing funding for Lutheran Social

04:00:37 Speaker 05: Services affordable. housing to be a

04:00:39 Speaker 05: build be received and that Gray

04:00:42 Speaker 05: County enter into an agreement with

04:00:44 Speaker 05: Luther Lutheran Social Services Owensound Inc

04:00:47 Speaker 05: for one point six million dollars

04:00:49 Speaker 05: in affordable housing funds for forty

04:00:51 Speaker 05: units of affordable and market housing

04:00:53 Speaker 05: and that upon occupancy Gray County

04:00:55 Speaker 05: enter into an agreement for the

04:00:58 Speaker 05: operating funds a total of one

04:01:00 Speaker 05: point four million to be dispersed

04:01:03 Speaker 05: quarterly from the county for the

04:01:05 Speaker 05: next twenty years and that the

04:01:07 Speaker 05: funding letter. be signed prior to

04:01:09 Speaker 05: county council approval in accordance with

04:01:12 Speaker 05: subsection 26.6B of the procedural bylaw

04:01:14 Speaker 05: 513422, and a bylaw be prepared

04:01:16 Speaker 05: authorising the agreements. But the agreements

04:01:20 Speaker 05: for council's consideration. May I ask

04:01:22 Speaker 05: for a mover? Okay, moved by

04:01:26 Speaker 05: Councillor Body, and seconded by Councillor

04:01:27 Speaker 05: Hutchinson. It's now on the floor

04:01:29 Speaker 05: for discussion. Welcome, Director Shaw. Thank

04:01:30 Speaker 05: you. Through you. Gordon. So good

04:01:33 Speaker 05: news. Lutheran Social Services of Owen

04:01:36 Speaker 05: Sound—they're a nonprofit housing provider in

04:01:39 Speaker 05: Owen Sound. They've been providing affordable

04:01:40 Speaker 05: housing for over 30 years, and

04:01:41 Speaker 05: their their board of directors put

04:01:43 Speaker 05: forth a proposal back in February

04:01:45 Speaker 05: of 2023 to develop 40 affordable

04:01:47 Speaker 05: and market units for seniors'

04:01:49 Speaker 05: housing in Owen Sound. They have

04:01:52 Speaker 05: been successful in obtaining. funding through

04:01:53 Speaker 05: the Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corporation

04:01:55 Speaker 05: Affordable Housing Programme, so now they

04:01:57 Speaker 05: are looking to us for the

04:01:59 Speaker 05: funding that we proposed to give

04:02:01 Speaker 05: to them back in in 2023.

04:02:03 Speaker 05: That's 1.6 million dollars in capital

04:02:06 Speaker 05: funding, and then upon occupancy, we

04:02:07 Speaker 05: would look at entering into an

04:02:09 Speaker 05: agreement with them for some operating

04:02:11 Speaker 05: funds to ensure that the project

04:02:13 Speaker 05: maintains its affordability. They are looking

04:02:15 Speaker 05: at 35 one bedrooms. and five

04:02:16 Speaker 05: two bedrooms, and 30 of the

04:02:18 Speaker 05: 40 units are going to be

04:02:21 Speaker 05: accessible, physically accessible, which is great

04:02:24 Speaker 05: for for the clientele. So I'm

04:02:26 Speaker 05: looking for permission to go ahead

04:02:28 Speaker 05: and enter into the agreement of

04:02:29 Speaker 05: 1.6 million. The Canadian Mortgage and

04:02:31 Speaker 05: Housing Corporation requires our agreement in

04:02:32 Speaker 05: order to finalize their funding. We

04:02:35 Speaker 05: will put into our agreement that

04:02:36 Speaker 05: we won't be forwarding any of

04:02:38 Speaker 05: the funds, the actual funds, until.

04:02:40 Speaker 69: they've received official notice of their

04:02:43 Speaker 69: funding from CMHC, and I'm happy

04:02:46 Speaker 69: to answer any questions. Okay, thank

04:02:48 Speaker 69: you. So with that, I'll put

04:02:50 Speaker 69: it out for questions from committee.

04:02:51 Speaker 69: The call numbers. Looking around the

04:02:54 Speaker 69: room, not seeing any hands nor

04:02:56 Speaker 69: online. Well, it appears another EFIC

04:02:58 Speaker 69: report has provided us with the

04:03:00 Speaker 69: details. So it looks like we're

04:03:02 Speaker 69: ready to call the question. Then,

04:03:04 Speaker 69: all those in favour? that motion

04:03:06 Speaker 69: is carried. Thank you very much,

04:03:08 Speaker 69: Director Shaw. And I guess you

04:03:09 Speaker 69: won't be going far. You'll be

04:03:11 Speaker 69: coming back up for another one

04:03:13 Speaker 69: shortly. Okay. So that allows us

04:03:15 Speaker 69: to move on to item seven

04:03:17 Speaker 69: D, and this is CSRCW twenty

04:03:19 Speaker 69: six twenty five. So it's recommended

04:03:20 Speaker 69: that report CSRCW twenty six twenty

04:03:22 Speaker 69: five regarding transitions to permanent housing

04:03:24 Speaker 69: pilot project be received, and that

04:03:25 Speaker 69: the warden and clerk clerk signing,

04:03:28 Speaker 69: and that the warden and clerk

04:03:30 Speaker 69: signing the funding agreement. for three

04:03:31 Speaker 69: hundred sixty-two thousand four hundred twenty

04:03:33 Speaker 69: between the Canadian Alliance to End

04:03:34 Speaker 69: Homelessness Homelessness Reduction Innovation Fund and

04:03:36 Speaker 69: the Corporation of the County of

04:03:37 Speaker 69: Grey in the form substantially provided

04:03:39 Speaker 69: in this report, and that the

04:03:40 Speaker 69: funding of three hundred sixty-two thousand

04:03:42 Speaker 69: four hundred twenty be approved for

04:03:44 Speaker 69: use in twenty twenty-five twenty-six, and

04:03:46 Speaker 69: that the agreement be signed prior

04:03:47 Speaker 69: to County Council approval in accordance

04:03:49 Speaker 69: with with Section twenty-six point. 26.6b

04:03:50 Speaker 69: of the procedural bylaw, according to

04:03:53 Speaker 30: the procedural bylaw 5134-22. May I

04:03:57 Speaker 30: ask for a mover and a

04:04:00 Speaker 30: second? Moved by Councillor Mackie, seconded

04:04:03 Speaker 30: by the Deputy Warden. It's now

04:04:05 Speaker 30: on the floor for discussion. Welcome,

04:04:06 Speaker 30: Mr. Gibson. Thank you, Warden, and

04:04:09 Speaker 30: members of Grey County Council. So

04:04:11 Speaker 48: today, I bring to you what

04:04:15 Speaker 48: I hope you'll join me in

04:04:17 Speaker 48: accepting as a good news story.

04:04:19 Speaker 48: Recently, we received an opportunity to

04:04:25 Speaker 48: apply for some project funding through

04:04:28 Speaker 48: the Canadian. Alliance Ten Homelessness. Their

04:04:30 Speaker 48: specific programme was you had to

04:04:32 Speaker 69: apply for one of two things.

04:04:36 Speaker 69: They were looking at decreasing inflow

04:04:38 Speaker 69: to the homelessness system, or they

04:04:40 Speaker 69: were looking at increasing the number

04:04:42 Speaker 69: of moveouts from the homelessness system

04:04:44 Speaker 69: locally. We qualified to apply for

04:04:46 Speaker 69: these funds because Gray County has

04:04:47 Speaker 69: a quality by names list, and

04:04:49 Speaker 69: we're connected with the Canadian Alliance

04:04:50 Speaker 69: Ten Homelessness through Built for Zero.

04:04:52 Speaker 69: So we worked with our Built

04:04:55 Speaker 69: for Zero coach on the application,

04:04:57 Speaker 69: and we decided that. based on

04:04:59 Speaker 69: the statistics we see locally, we

04:05:02 Speaker 69: were going to pursue the inflow

04:05:04 Speaker 69: decrease. And what we've specifically decided

04:05:06 Speaker 69: to tackle is the returns to

04:05:08 Speaker 69: homelessness. So a lot of times,

04:05:13 Speaker 18: when we're supporting people in moving

04:05:16 Speaker 18: from our by names list, around

04:05:19 Speaker 18: thirty percent of the time they're

04:05:20 Speaker 18: actually returning to the homelessness system

04:05:22 Speaker 18: because of a lack of supports.

04:05:23 Speaker 18: Dealing with those local landlords, getting

04:05:24 Speaker 18: them set up with appropriate referral

04:05:26 Speaker 18: services once they've been housed. So

04:05:27 Speaker 18: this pilot project is. for two

04:05:28 Speaker 18: positions to work with a total

04:05:30 Speaker 18: of 48 households off of our

04:05:31 Speaker 18: buy names list over the 12

04:05:34 Speaker 18: month period, and what they'll be

04:05:35 Speaker 18: doing is touching base with households

04:05:38 Speaker 18: three times a week at minimum.

04:05:40 Speaker 18: They'll be helping to liaise with

04:05:42 Speaker 12: the landlords to intervene in any

04:05:45 Speaker 12: issues that come up early in

04:05:47 Speaker 12: the tenancies. They'll be helping them

04:05:49 Speaker 12: connect to services like things as

04:05:50 Speaker 12: simple as making sure they have

04:05:52 Speaker 12: a phone for the entryway system,

04:05:53 Speaker 12: like things that many of us

04:05:54 Speaker 12: would. would take for granted that

04:05:56 Speaker 12: would be easy. Some people need

04:05:58 Speaker 12: support, and we're going to provide

04:06:00 Speaker 12: that support to ensure that they

04:06:03 Speaker 12: can retain their housing. So we

04:06:05 Speaker 12: think that this is going to

04:06:07 Speaker 12: provide just a really great opportunity

04:06:11 Speaker 37: to reduce those return to homelessness.

04:06:15 Speaker 50: And we've also the Canadian Alliance

04:06:18 Speaker 50: on Homelessness has been wonderful to

04:06:20 Speaker 50: work with. They encourage us to

04:06:23 Speaker 50: ask for more funding. They encourage

04:06:26 Speaker 50: us to ask for rent supplements.

04:06:29 Speaker 50: So it's going to help us

04:06:31 Speaker 50: to subsidize some of those rents.

04:06:33 Speaker 50: While they're working with staff as

04:06:34 Speaker 50: an incentive, and they also encourage

04:06:36 Speaker 50: us to ask for funding around

04:06:39 Speaker 50: some of the accessories needed to

04:06:43 Speaker 69: run a programme like this. So

04:06:46 Speaker 69: we have furnishing costs and and

04:06:48 Speaker 69: things that are really going to

04:06:49 Speaker 69: help propel this programme. Happy to

04:06:50 Speaker 69: take any questions. Okay, thank you.

04:06:52 Speaker 69: I'll look around the room, and

04:06:53 Speaker 69: we'll begin with Councillor Mackey. Thank

04:07:00 Speaker 69: you, Warden. Thanks, Josh, for the

04:07:02 Speaker 69: report. I think this is a

04:07:04 Speaker 69: great opportunity. And my only question

04:07:06 Speaker 37: is the two hundred and fifty.

04:07:08 Speaker 37: dollar engagement incentive is that really

04:07:12 Speaker 37: needed? Should it not be incentive

04:07:15 Speaker 37: enough to want to be homed

04:07:17 Speaker 37: or housed? That's my question. Thanks.

04:07:20 Speaker 37: Thanks, Councillor Mackie and through you,

04:07:22 Speaker 37: Warden. Yes, the incentive of receiving

04:07:25 Speaker 37: those supports and being housed. It

04:07:27 Speaker 37: also allows us to ease households

04:07:29 Speaker 37: into that rental situation in the

04:07:31 Speaker 37: private market. some of these rental

04:07:35 Speaker 37: costs are very high compared to

04:07:38 Speaker 37: somebody's monthly budget. So, having the

04:07:39 Speaker 37: 250 through this programme that the

04:07:41 Speaker 37: county doesn't have to bear the

04:07:44 Speaker 37: cost of is going to allow

04:07:49 Speaker 37: us that six months that we're

04:07:51 Speaker 37: working with the person to connect

04:07:55 Speaker 37: them to probably a different subsidy

04:07:57 Speaker 37: programme. We also receive funding through

04:07:59 Speaker 37: the Canada Ontario Housing Benefit

04:08:01 Speaker 37: for portable housing benefit. We will

04:08:02 Speaker 37: likely transition these households once they've

04:08:05 Speaker 37: been successful in working with staff

04:08:07 Speaker 70: to receive that benefit more. long

04:08:10 Speaker 70: term to ensure that they're sustainable

04:08:13 Speaker 70: moving forward. Any further questions? We'll

04:08:16 Speaker 70: go to Councillor Body. Just a

04:08:18 Speaker 09: comment. Here's one more programme that

04:08:21 Speaker 09: we're adding to the list of

04:08:23 Speaker 09: programmemes that Grey County leads on.

04:08:25 Speaker 09: You know, we go to AIMO

04:08:26 Speaker 09: and we hear from other experts

04:08:29 Speaker 09: that tell us what we need

04:08:31 Speaker 09: to do or what they want

04:08:35 Speaker 09: to do in their municipality, and

04:08:37 Speaker 09: we're doing all of them already.

04:08:39 Speaker 09: And this is just one more

04:08:43 Speaker 09: that has got to help. And

04:08:45 Speaker 09: I hope our public. in our

04:08:48 Speaker 09: community of Gray County, realizes that

04:08:51 Speaker 09: that we're doing these types of

04:08:53 Speaker 09: things, and frankly, leading so many

04:08:56 Speaker 09: other municipalities. And I think you

04:08:58 Speaker 09: can always find somebody homelessness. I'm

04:09:00 Speaker 09: not saying that they're not in

04:09:01 Speaker 09: the street. I'm not saying that

04:09:04 Speaker 09: we'd love to help each and

04:09:07 Speaker 09: every one of them. But I

04:09:08 Speaker 09: think we're doing better. And you

04:09:11 Speaker 09: go to other communities, as we

04:09:13 Speaker 09: will see this weekend in Ottawa

04:09:15 Speaker 09: and other places, that we're

04:09:18 Speaker 09: really doing well. And it

04:09:21 Speaker 09: would be much worse without these

04:09:22 Speaker 09: programmemes. So this is good to

04:09:25 Speaker 09: see. Thanks. Thank you. Any other

04:09:28 Speaker 09: comments, Councillor Gray? My only question

04:09:29 Speaker 09: is, funding. This would appear to

04:09:31 Speaker 09: be a flow through through a

04:09:32 Speaker 09: federal programme through the Canadian Alliance

04:09:36 Speaker 09: to End Homelessness. Are we certainly

04:09:38 Speaker 09: comfortable that they've got multi years

04:09:39 Speaker 68: commitments from the federal government that

04:09:42 Speaker 68: there's nothing that's There's nothing that

04:09:47 Speaker 68: could leave us potentially on the

04:09:50 Speaker 68: hook here. That funding envelope was

04:09:54 Speaker 68: to be discontinued by higher level

04:09:57 Speaker 68: government. Thank you, Councillor, and through

04:09:58 Speaker 68: you, Warden. The pilot is only

04:10:00 Speaker 68: a 12 month pilot, so we're

04:10:01 Speaker 68: we're very confident they have the

04:10:03 Speaker 71: funds for that portion of it.

04:10:07 Speaker 71: And whether or not it becomes

04:10:10 Speaker 71: recurring is something that we'll have

04:10:12 Speaker 71: to have to see. Okay. Thank

04:10:14 Speaker 71: you. Not seeing any further hands.

04:10:17 Speaker 71: then it's been moved and seconded,

04:10:20 Speaker 71: and we've heard the discussion. All

04:10:22 Speaker 71: those in favour? That motion is

04:10:25 Speaker 71: carried. Thank you. And we'll call

7.e CSR-CW-14-25 Architectural Services for EarlyON Redevelopment

Council carried a motion to receive a report on architectural services for the Early On Centre East redevelopment in Hanover. The committee recommended awarding JPM Architecture Inc. the project for $119,750 excluding HST, funded from the Early On reserve fund. The award is to proceed prior to County Council approval under procedural bylaw 5134.22.

04:10:27 Speaker 71: upon Director Shaw again for Item

04:10:30 Speaker 71: Seven E. It's recommended that Report

04:10:37 Speaker 71: CSR CW fourteen twenty five regarding

04:10:39 Speaker 71: Architectural Services for Early On Redevelopment

04:10:39 Speaker 71: be received, and that JPM Architecture

04:10:41 Speaker 71: Inc be awarded the Architectural Services

04:10:42 Speaker 71: Project for the Redevelopment of the

04:10:44 Speaker 71: Early On Centre East. Of the

04:10:46 Speaker 71: early on centre in Hanover, in

04:10:48 Speaker 71: the amount of 119,750, excluses of

04:10:49 Speaker 71: HST, and that the architectural fees

04:10:51 Speaker 71: be funded from the early on

04:10:53 Speaker 71: reserve fund, and that the the

04:10:55 Speaker 09: services be awarded prior to county

04:10:58 Speaker 09: council approval in accordance with section

04:11:00 Speaker 09: 26.6B of the procedural bylaw, according

04:11:03 Speaker 09: to the procedural bylaw 5134.22. So

04:11:05 Speaker 09: with that, may I ask for

04:11:06 Speaker 09: a mover? Moved by Councillor Dicker,

04:11:08 Speaker 68: seconded by Councillor Carleton. It's now

04:11:15 Speaker 68: on the floor for discussion, and

04:11:17 Speaker 68: more good news and progress for

04:11:19 Speaker 68: Early On. Director Shaw, over to

04:11:20 Speaker 68: you. Thank you, and through you,

04:11:25 Speaker 68: Warden. So we're back again, May

04:11:26 Speaker 68: the eighth. Council approved the acquisition

04:11:28 Speaker 68: of the land located in Hanover

04:11:29 Speaker 68: on Seventeenth Street Crescent for the

04:11:31 Speaker 20: redevelopment of our Early On Centre.

04:11:33 Speaker 20: The one that we have in

04:11:36 Speaker 20: Hanover right now is not. meeting

04:11:39 Speaker 20: our needs. We it is our

04:11:41 Speaker 20: largest and most attended. Early on,

04:11:43 Speaker 20: the land was acquired on June

04:11:46 Speaker 20: 16th, and we issued a

04:11:52 Speaker 20: request for proposal on June 16th

04:11:56 Speaker 20: for architectural services. We received six

04:11:58 Speaker 20: bids on the project, and the

04:12:00 Speaker 20: selected bid was JPM Architecture at

04:12:02 Speaker 20: one hundred and nineteen thousand seven

04:12:05 Speaker 20: hundred and fifty dollars, excluding

04:12:07 Speaker 20: HST. JPM JST, JPM Architecture

04:12:10 Speaker 20: is formally Allen Davis Architects. They're

04:12:13 Speaker 20: a local firm out of Godrich.

04:12:15 Speaker 20: We've worked with them before. They

04:12:17 Speaker 20: have experience in early on in

04:12:20 Speaker 20: childcare projects, and we're very happy

04:12:22 Speaker 20: and pleased to be happy

04:12:25 Speaker 20: to be working with them

04:12:27 Speaker 20: again. The project will progress through

04:12:30 Speaker 20: following a few phases, such as

04:12:32 Speaker 20: the schematic design and design development,

04:12:34 Speaker 20: construction documents, the tendering services, construction

04:12:36 Speaker 20: contract administration, and of course the

04:12:38 Speaker 20: construction closeout. We are asking that

04:12:41 Speaker 20: we move ahead before the September

04:12:43 Speaker 20: 11th because we'd like to get

04:12:45 Speaker 20: going, and we want to be

04:12:47 Speaker 20: able to start this build in

04:12:49 Speaker 20: the spring as soon as possible.

04:12:51 Speaker 20: Okay, thank you. I'll look around

04:12:54 Speaker 20: the room to see if there

04:12:56 Speaker 20: are questions and comments for

04:12:58 Speaker 20: you. Okay, not seeing. Oh, yes,

04:13:01 Speaker 20: Councillor Eccles. Thank you, and through

04:13:03 Speaker 20: to you, Miss Shaw. Are we

04:13:05 Speaker 20: going to be doing any more

04:13:08 Speaker 20: of the early on? How many

04:13:10 Speaker 20: buildings do we have other than

04:13:13 Speaker 20: this one? We do have a

04:13:16 Speaker 20: few. I guess where I'm going

04:13:18 Speaker 20: with the question is through the

04:13:19 Speaker 20: paramedic services and our and our

04:13:23 Speaker 20: ambulance. We've basically come up with

04:13:26 Speaker 20: a here's a cutter box. We're

04:13:28 Speaker 20: building one right now, and in

04:13:29 Speaker 20: West Grey, one proposed coming up

04:13:31 Speaker 20: in Grey Highlands, and there's. Great

04:13:33 Speaker 72: Highlands, and it's pretty much bang

04:13:40 Speaker 72: bang. Here it is, architect engineering.

04:13:42 Speaker 72: This is what we have. Just

04:13:45 Speaker 72: wondering whether that process could be

04:13:48 Speaker 72: emulated going forward for early on

04:13:50 Speaker 72: buildings. So the county has

04:13:53 Speaker 72: only one. This is the

04:13:55 Speaker 72: only one that we own, but

04:13:56 Speaker 72: we do run them in other

04:13:58 Speaker 72: areas. But we have other social

04:14:00 Speaker 72: services or children services that

04:14:03 Speaker 56: run them. Certainly, when we're looking

04:14:06 Speaker 56: at developing this, we could make

04:14:10 Speaker 56: sure that we build. something that

04:14:11 Speaker 56: would be appropriate for other early

04:14:13 Speaker 56: ons. This one will be two

04:14:15 Speaker 56: classrooms and some offices and play

04:14:17 Speaker 56: area and whatnot. So certainly could

04:14:21 Speaker 56: be replicated. At this point, we

04:14:24 Speaker 56: don't have any future ideas of

04:14:27 Speaker 56: building another early on, just replacing

04:14:29 Speaker 56: the one that we have. We're

04:14:31 Speaker 56: only required to have the one.

04:14:33 Speaker 56: Okay. Any other questions? Not seeing

04:14:36 Speaker 56: anything further, so I'll call

04:14:40 Speaker 56: the question. All those.

04:14:44 Speaker 56: in favour, and that motion is

04:14:45 Speaker 56: carried. Thank you very much, Director

04:14:47 Speaker 56: Shaw. Okay. So this next one,

04:14:49 Speaker 56: I'll give the clerk a moment

04:14:52 Speaker 56: to go to the lectern while

04:14:53 Speaker 56: I look for a mover and

7.f Grey County Joint Accessibility Advisory Committee minutes dated July 17, 2025

A motion was moved to receive the Gray County Joint Accessibility Advisory Committee minutes dated July 17, 2025, for information, and endorse contained resolutions regarding policy amendments and project reviews. The report described updates to the accessible customer service policy, including grade transit route considerations and training requirements, alongside discussions on playground replacements at Owen Heights and Comeret Park which will feature accessible and sensory play features. Additional topics included the Flesherton Connecting Link reconstruction project where accessible parking was exempted due to space constraints, a sidewalk addition in Markdale incorporating tactile plates, and reviews of multi-year accessibility plans for Blue Mountains and Tallahatchie Mountains.

04:14:58 Speaker 56: a seconder. Item seven F.

04:15:01 Speaker 56: It's recommended that the Gray County

04:15:03 Speaker 56: Joint Accessibility Advisory Committee meeting

04:15:05 Speaker 56: minutes, dated July seventeenth, twenty twenty-five,

04:15:07 Speaker 56: be adopted as presented, and the

04:15:10 Speaker 56: following resolutions contained therein be endorsed.

04:15:12 Speaker 56: Number one, that that report. CCRJAAC0725

04:15:15 Speaker 56: regarding the updated accessible customer service

04:15:18 Speaker 56: policy be received, and that number

04:15:21 Speaker 56: two policy five dash one the

04:15:24 Speaker 56: accessible customer service policy be amended

04:15:26 Speaker 56: as outlined in this report by

04:15:29 Speaker 56: amending the policy statement including grade

04:15:32 Speaker 56: transit route considerations, incorporating assistive devices

04:15:35 Speaker 56: and noting expanded training requirements, and

04:15:37 Speaker 56: number three that in consideration of

04:15:41 Speaker 56: staff report. CS twenty five zero

04:15:43 Speaker 56: seven eight respecting playground replacement at

04:15:46 Speaker 56: Owen at Owen Heights and Comeret

04:15:48 Speaker 56: Park, the Gray County Joint Accessibility

04:15:50 Speaker 56: Advisory Committee review the proposed playground

04:15:52 Speaker 56: replacements and provide advice to the

04:15:55 Speaker 56: City of Owensound in respect to

04:15:56 Speaker 56: accessibility of the proposed layout and

04:15:59 Speaker 56: design of the two new playgrounds.

04:16:00 Speaker 56: And number four, that the report

04:16:03 Speaker 56: Flesherton Connecting Link be presented to

04:16:04 Speaker 56: the Gray County Joint Accessibility Advisory.

04:16:07 Speaker 56: Committee for review and comment, and

04:16:09 Speaker 56: provide input on the need for

04:16:12 Speaker 56: and design and replacement of

04:16:15 Speaker 56: rest areas, and number five that

04:16:20 Speaker 56: the report, Lawrence Street sidewalk addition,

04:16:23 Speaker 56: be received, and number six that

04:16:25 Speaker 56: the Gray County Joint Accessibility Advisory

04:16:27 Speaker 56: Committee provides input on the need

04:16:30 Speaker 56: for and design and placement of

04:16:33 Speaker 56: rest areas for the installation of

04:16:34 Speaker 56: the new concrete sidewalk, and number

04:16:35 Speaker 56: seven that the Tallahatchie Mountains Multi-Year

04:16:41 Speaker 56: Accessibility Plan, twenty twenty-five twenty. Plan

04:16:43 Speaker 56: 2025-26 be presented to the Gray

04:16:45 Speaker 56: County Joint Accessibility Advisory Committee for

04:16:46 Speaker 56: review and comment, and number eight

04:16:48 Speaker 56: that the City of Owensound staff

04:16:51 Speaker 56: report DA 25005 be received for

04:17:01 Speaker 73: information. May I ask for a

04:17:06 Speaker 73: mover and a seconder? Thank you.

04:17:07 Speaker 73: Moved by Councillor Greg, seconded

04:17:10 Speaker 71: by Councillor Keaveny. It's on the

04:17:13 Speaker 71: floor for discussion. Madam Clerk, over

04:17:21 Speaker 71: to you. Thank you, Madam Warden.

04:17:25 Speaker 71: Through you, the Gray County

04:17:27 Speaker 56: Joint Accessibility Advisory Committee met on

04:17:30 Speaker 56: July 17th. The first item up

04:17:33 Speaker 56: for business was amendments to the

04:17:35 Speaker 56: accessible accessible customer service policy. Those

04:17:38 Speaker 56: reflected some housekeeping updates required to

04:17:41 Speaker 56: the policy as part of the

04:17:44 Speaker 56: regular five-year review cycle. The updates

04:17:45 Speaker 56: did include adding GTR considerations and

04:17:46 Speaker 56: elabourating on training requirements, and including

04:17:48 Speaker 56: the assistive devices available for use.

04:17:51 Speaker 56: There was discussion on the new

04:17:56 Speaker 56: playground design at Comrade Park and

04:17:58 Speaker 56: Owen Heights Park in Owen Sound.

04:18:04 Speaker 56: The new playgrounds will include accessible

04:18:07 Speaker 74: and sensory play features, and access

04:18:10 Speaker 74: and access pathway, picnic and seating

04:18:13 Speaker 74: areas. It will include engineered wood

04:18:15 Speaker 74: fiber surface on the ground of

04:18:18 Speaker 74: the playground, and there were questions

04:18:20 Speaker 74: and comments regarding the location of

04:18:24 Speaker 74: accessible swings within the city and

04:18:26 Speaker 74: the accessibility of the wood fiber.

04:18:28 Speaker 74: material, the accessibleplaygroundsontario.ca website was a

04:18:31 Speaker 74: resource that was cited, I believe,

04:18:33 Speaker 74: from Councillor Greg. That's a it's

04:18:35 Speaker 74: a really great resource for anyone

04:18:37 Speaker 74: looking for accessible playgrounds across the

04:18:39 Speaker 74: province. There's a lot of really

04:18:42 Speaker 74: good information on that website. The

04:18:46 Speaker 75: Fleischerton Connecting Link project was discussed.

04:18:54 Speaker 75: This was in Grey Highlands, and

04:18:56 Speaker 75: the reconstruction project included intersection. improvements

04:18:59 Speaker 75: at Grey Road Four and Toronto

04:19:02 Speaker 56: Street, and the reconstruction of 600

04:19:06 Speaker 56: metres of Toronto Road and Sydney

04:19:07 Speaker 56: Street in Flusherton. Due to this

04:19:10 Speaker 56: constraint in space in that vicinity,

04:19:15 Speaker 56: there were no accessible parking on

04:19:20 Speaker 56: street parking spaces able to be

04:19:22 Speaker 56: incorporated into that design. But there

04:19:25 Speaker 56: is an exemption in the legislation

04:19:28 Speaker 56: that speaks to small spaces where

04:19:30 Speaker 56: those accessible parking spaces can't be

04:19:33 Speaker 56: accommodated, so that was relied upon

04:19:36 Speaker 56: in this case. The Lawrence Street

04:19:43 Speaker 76: Sidewalk Addition in Markdale included installation

04:19:47 Speaker 76: of a sidewalk on Lawrence Street

04:19:48 Speaker 76: between McDuff and Wellington. There were

04:19:51 Speaker 76: no comments heard regarding the placement

04:19:55 Speaker 76: or need for rest areas along

04:19:56 Speaker 20: the stretch of sidewalk. There will

04:20:01 Speaker 20: also be tactile plates incorporated into

04:20:03 Speaker 20: the sidewalk as well. The Town

04:20:04 Speaker 20: of Blue Mountains Multi-Year Accessibility Plan

04:20:06 Speaker 20: came forward for review. and there

04:20:09 Speaker 20: was information shared on the Enhancing

04:20:10 Speaker 20: Access to Spaces for Everyone

04:20:12 Speaker 20: Grant, which provides up to sixty

04:20:15 Speaker 20: thousand dollars for projects that improve

04:20:18 Speaker 20: accessibility and lifestyle, active lifestyles supports

04:20:20 Speaker 20: for people with disabilities. That is

04:20:22 Speaker 20: available to municipalities for sure. I

04:20:25 Speaker 20: think only one one application per

04:20:27 Speaker 20: municipality is able to be submitted.

04:20:33 Speaker 20: There was also a report on.

04:20:35 Speaker 20: the site plan application at twenty

04:20:38 Speaker 20: two sixty one Ninth Ave East

04:20:42 Speaker 20: in North Sound that came forward

04:20:45 Speaker 20: for information as well. Okay, thank

04:20:46 Speaker 20: you very much for that explanation.

04:20:48 Speaker 20: So with that, we'll put it

04:20:50 Speaker 20: out in case there are any

04:20:53 Speaker 20: questions from committee of the whole.

04:20:56 Speaker 20: Seeing any? Oh yes, sorry, Councillor

04:20:58 Speaker 20: Arakels. Thank you, Madam Morgan. Through

04:21:01 Speaker 20: you to the committee itself, and

04:21:02 Speaker 20: it's more on the committee structure.

04:21:09 Speaker 20: Are all municipalities represented on this

04:21:12 Speaker 20: committee, or is it a requirement?

04:21:14 Speaker 20: Thank you. So, in Gray County,

04:21:15 Speaker 20: there are all municipalities are represented,

04:21:17 Speaker 77: with the exception of. Chatsworth and

04:21:20 Speaker 77: Meaford, I believe. Meaford has its

04:21:21 Speaker 77: own committee, and Chatsworth isn't large

04:21:23 Speaker 77: enough to require one under the

04:21:25 Speaker 77: legislation. The others have the option

04:21:28 Speaker 77: of having their own or making

04:21:29 Speaker 77: a joint committee. So that is

04:21:32 Speaker 77: the case for the rest of

04:21:35 Speaker 77: them. As plies have decided, with

04:21:37 Speaker 77: the newest member being Owensound to

04:21:39 Speaker 77: join the joint committee and fulfil

04:21:42 Speaker 77: that requirement. And just one little

04:21:44 Speaker 77: further question, because there's some

04:21:47 Speaker 77: committees have been on lately have

04:21:48 Speaker 77: been challenged on governance abilities and

04:21:50 Speaker 77: and some of the minutes that

04:21:52 Speaker 77: they have. It's just on the

04:21:55 Speaker 77: way this committee was adjourned. At

04:21:57 Speaker 77: the bottom, it was on a

04:21:59 Speaker 77: motion from the chair. I just

04:22:01 Speaker 77: kind of strange. I've never seen

04:22:03 Speaker 77: that. done in any of our

04:22:05 Speaker 77: other committees. It's always been, as

04:22:06 Speaker 77: county council, a motion from some

04:22:08 Speaker 77: of the committee members. But this

04:22:10 Speaker 77: one is just—it's not that the

04:22:13 Speaker 77: chair declared it. By the way,

04:22:15 Speaker 77: this is—it's just—it's on a motion

04:22:16 Speaker 77: by the chair. Any comment on

04:22:18 Speaker 77: that? Should be that somebody else

04:22:21 Speaker 77: seconded it. I would have to

04:22:22 Speaker 77: actually go back to see what

04:22:25 Speaker 77: this may be, either a template

04:22:27 Speaker 77: concern or a meeting with mechanic

04:22:30 Speaker 77: concern. I have to go back

04:22:32 Speaker 77: and look at the video. I

04:22:35 Speaker 77: think either the chair would have

04:22:38 Speaker 77: declared it, and then absent any

04:22:40 Speaker 77: opposition from members, under unanimous consent,

04:22:42 Speaker 77: it would. have been considered adjourned.

04:22:45 Speaker 77: But I would agree with you

04:22:46 Speaker 77: that that the terminology there on

04:22:48 Speaker 77: motion of Chair Schultz, we we

04:22:50 Speaker 77: could adjust that to reflect the

04:22:52 Speaker 77: likelihood of unanimous consent adjourning meeting.

04:22:54 Speaker 77: Okay. Thank you. Any other questions?

04:22:56 Speaker 77: Okay. It has been moved and

04:22:58 Speaker 77: seconded. Then I'll call the question.

04:23:00 Speaker 77: All those in favour? and that

04:23:02 Speaker 77: is carried. Thank you. Okay, so

7.g Budget and Finance Committee meeting minutes dated July 23, 2025

The Committee of the Whole reviewed capital and financial updates for housing, economic development, and healthcare, noting increased winter costs and a variance in court security expenses. The committee then prioritized staffing, waste management, and physician recruitment within a shared services report before passing a motion directing staff to report back to the Joint Missile Services Committee by September 26. Finally, the committee considered a report on waste management collaboration within Grey County and approved a motion to investigate shared service opportunities.

04:23:04 Speaker 77: next we move on to 7G,

04:23:06 Speaker 77: and with this, Director Spicer will

04:23:10 Speaker 77: do an introduction. It's recommended that

04:23:11 Speaker 77: the County of Gray Budget and

04:23:13 Speaker 77: Finance Committee meeting minutes, dated July

04:23:15 Speaker 77: twenty third, twenty twenty twenty five,

04:23:16 Speaker 77: be adopted as presented, and the

04:23:17 Speaker 77: following resolutions contained therein be endorsed.

04:23:20 Speaker 77: Number one, that report FRBFC twenty

04:23:22 Speaker 77: five fifteen twenty five regarding the

04:23:24 Speaker 77: twenty twenty five Regarding the 2025

04:23:26 Speaker 77: Capital Project Status Update Report as

04:23:28 Speaker 77: of April 30, 2025, be received

04:23:31 Speaker 77: for information, and that number two,

04:23:33 Speaker 77: the report FRBFC 1425 regarding the

04:23:36 Speaker 77: corporate financial update as of April

04:23:38 Speaker 77: 30 be received for information, and

04:23:41 Speaker 77: number three, that the report FRBFC

04:23:43 Speaker 77: 1325 Healthcare Funding Request 2026 Budget

04:23:45 Speaker 77: be received, and that staff be

04:23:47 Speaker 77: directed to maintain the budgeted two.

04:23:50 Speaker 77: hundred thousand transfer to the healthcare

04:23:51 Speaker 77: initiatives reserve for the twenty twenty

04:23:53 Speaker 77: six budget and twenty twenty seven

04:23:56 Speaker 77: projected budget. With that, I'll ask

04:23:58 Speaker 77: for a mover. Moved by Councillor

04:24:03 Speaker 77: Mackie, seconded by Councillor Dobrine. It's

04:24:05 Speaker 77: on the floor for discussion. Welcome,

04:24:07 Speaker 77: Director Spicer. Thank you, Madam Warden.

04:24:08 Speaker 77: So our meeting on July twenty

04:24:10 Speaker 77: third began with Director Shaw presenting

04:24:12 Speaker 77: an overview of how the housing

04:24:14 Speaker 77: capital budget is developed, part of

04:24:16 Speaker 77: the discussion involved the number of

04:24:19 Speaker 77: units. It was noted over 500

04:24:20 Speaker 77: no one sound, and the addition

04:24:22 Speaker 77: of transitional housing in a former

04:24:23 Speaker 77: motel. Not including the recent additions,

04:24:25 Speaker 77: the value of all assets was

04:24:27 Speaker 77: approximately 236 million dollars. Also discussed

04:24:31 Speaker 77: were the tools used, such as

04:24:33 Speaker 77: the building condition assessments, as well

04:24:35 Speaker 77: as inspections by staff and consultants.

04:24:37 Speaker 77: Staff look at energy efficiency options

04:24:40 Speaker 77: to reduce. operating budgets, cutting projects

04:24:42 Speaker 77: were discussed, and it was noted

04:24:45 Speaker 77: that the operating budget includes the

04:24:48 Speaker 77: cost of making ready units after

04:24:53 Speaker 77: tenant turnovers. There were questions asked

04:24:56 Speaker 77: about a recent project that installed

04:24:58 Speaker 77: heat pumps at a building in

04:25:00 Speaker 77: Miford, and whether energy savings had

04:25:02 Speaker 77: been seen. It was noted for

04:25:05 Speaker 77: this particular property, Gray County only

04:25:08 Speaker 77: pays the cost for the vacant

04:25:12 Speaker 77: units, so we will get some

04:25:13 Speaker 77: data on that. Just we don't

04:25:16 Speaker 77: have the full expense in our

04:25:21 Speaker 68: budgets. Also asked for questions on

04:25:26 Speaker 68: funding and the waitlist, and it

04:25:28 Speaker 68: was noted the waitlist is approximately

04:25:30 Speaker 28: two hundred, sorry, twenty three hundred

04:25:33 Speaker 28: people, and approximately seventy percent of

04:25:34 Speaker 28: those are from Gray County. Director

04:25:36 Speaker 28: Myers presented on economic development, tourism,

04:25:38 Speaker 28: and culture assets. So the buildings

04:25:40 Speaker 28: are the Gray Roots, Morrison Village,

04:25:41 Speaker 28: Sidneyham Campus, as well as two

04:25:44 Speaker 28: vehicles. And Savannah shared that the

04:25:46 Speaker 28: EDTC master plan and the

04:25:48 Speaker 28: building condition assessments are used to

04:25:50 Speaker 28: determine. the timing of capital projects,

04:25:52 Speaker 28: and lifespan is extended if possible.

04:25:53 Speaker 28: So we use the example of

04:25:58 Speaker 28: the tourism vehicle, and some projects

04:26:00 Speaker 28: move ahead based on need. And

04:26:01 Speaker 28: we've had a recent example with

04:26:03 Speaker 28: the schoolhouse roof and the exterior

04:26:06 Speaker 28: doors at Sidney Ham Campus. There

04:26:12 Speaker 28: were questions on the capital contributions

04:26:14 Speaker 28: required for gray roofs, and just

04:26:16 Speaker 28: as a note, that building opened

04:26:20 Speaker 28: in two thousand four, so it's

04:26:22 Speaker 28: twenty one years old. Three reports

04:26:23 Speaker 28: were presented. The first was the

04:26:26 Speaker 28: capital project status report, and that's

04:26:30 Speaker 28: based on actuals to the end

04:26:33 Speaker 28: of April. And it was noted

04:26:36 Speaker 28: there's two hundred and fifty nine

04:26:38 Speaker 28: projects on the report. Next was

04:26:41 Speaker 28: a financial update with the same

04:26:42 Speaker 28: time frame. That noted there was

04:26:44 Speaker 28: a heavier winter than normal, and

04:26:47 Speaker 28: that impacted the transportation, housing, long

04:26:48 Speaker 28: term care, and paramedic services budgets.

04:26:49 Speaker 28: It resulted in increased staff and

04:26:51 Speaker 28: for transportation, higher usage costs for

04:26:55 Speaker 28: materials, higher than expected snow removal

04:26:56 Speaker 28: costs at many. buildings and some

04:27:00 Speaker 28: building repairs for housing. And staff

04:27:01 Speaker 28: noted that the final impact won't

04:27:03 Speaker 28: be known until year end. Also

04:27:04 Speaker 78: depends on how early winter starts

04:27:07 Speaker 78: this fall, and that departments are

04:27:10 Speaker 78: looking for savings in other areas

04:27:12 Speaker 78: to mitigate costs. Actuals to April

04:27:14 Speaker 78: 30th in most cases are too

04:27:16 Speaker 78: early to predict or trend any

04:27:17 Speaker 78: any outcomes. With, for example, a

04:27:19 Speaker 78: lot of costs such as association

04:27:20 Speaker 78: fees are incurred. earlier in the

04:27:22 Speaker 78: year, and then you have no

04:27:23 Speaker 78: expense for the rest of the

04:27:25 Speaker 78: year. We did notice the note

04:27:27 Speaker 78: that the variance for court security

04:27:29 Speaker 78: provided Owen Sound. It's now known

04:27:31 Speaker 78: to exceed budget by just under

04:27:34 Speaker 78: one hundred twenty thousand dollars. That

04:27:36 Speaker 78: will require funding at the end

04:27:37 Speaker 78: of the year, and that the

04:27:40 Speaker 78: amount included in the budget was

04:27:41 Speaker 78: based on best estimates provided mid

04:27:42 Speaker 78: twenty twenty four. The final report

04:27:45 Speaker 78: was healthcare funding requests, which at

04:27:46 Speaker 78: that point there were no requests.

04:27:49 Speaker 78: The only commitment we had for

04:27:52 Speaker 78: 2026 was for Bright Shores, and

04:27:54 Speaker 78: the last year of that $200,000

04:27:56 Speaker 78: annual commitment is 2027. The report

04:27:59 Speaker 78: recommended maintaining the 2025 transfer reserve

04:28:01 Speaker 78: of $209,500, and as you'd see

04:28:02 Speaker 78: in the minutes, that amount was

04:28:04 Speaker 78: amended to $200,000. The meeting wrapped

04:28:07 Speaker 78: up with a discussion on what

04:28:10 Speaker 78: is scheduled for the September meeting,

04:28:12 Speaker 78: and. that'll include reports on budget

04:28:14 Speaker 78: timelines, full-time employee requests for 2026

04:28:15 Speaker 78: and 2027, and information from the

04:28:18 Speaker 78: director of human resources on COLA

04:28:19 Speaker 78: adjustments and collective agreements. Okay, thank

04:28:21 Speaker 78: you. I'll put it out for

04:28:23 Speaker 78: questions. Okay, not seen any. Then

04:28:24 Speaker 78: I'll call the question. All those

04:28:27 Speaker 78: in favour? That motion is carried.

04:28:29 Speaker 78: Thank you. And at this

04:28:32 Speaker 78: point in time, the CAO

04:28:33 Speaker 78: will do the introduction for

04:28:35 Speaker 78: the final item that is here

04:28:39 Speaker 78: on the open agenda. And it's

04:28:41 Speaker 78: recommended that the minutes of the

04:28:45 Speaker 78: Joint Municipal Services Committee meeting, dated

04:28:47 Speaker 78: July 29, 2025, be adopted as

04:28:48 Speaker 78: presented, and the following resolutions contained

04:28:51 Speaker 78: therein be endorsed: Number one, that

04:28:55 Speaker 78: Councillor Body be elected as the

04:28:56 Speaker 78: chair of the Joint Municipal Services

04:28:59 Speaker 78: Committee through to September 2026.

04:29:01 Speaker 78: Number two, that Councillor Dicker be

04:29:03 Speaker 78: elected as the vice chair. of

04:29:06 Speaker 78: the Joint Municipal Services Committee through

04:29:09 Speaker 78: September 2026. Number three, that the

04:29:11 Speaker 78: report CAORJMS 1025, ongoing work and

04:29:13 Speaker 78: background in respect to joint municipal

04:29:17 Speaker 78: service work, be received for information,

04:29:19 Speaker 78: and that report CAORJMS 1125 be

04:29:21 Speaker 78: received, and that members of the

04:29:23 Speaker 78: community of practice be encouraged to

04:29:27 Speaker 78: provide an update to respective member

04:29:29 Speaker 78: municipal councils, and that number six.

04:29:30 Speaker 78: that based on council feedback from

04:29:33 Speaker 78: the community of practice, identify priorities

04:29:34 Speaker 78: for collabourative and/or shared services in

04:29:37 Speaker 78: respect to waste collection, and

04:29:39 Speaker 78: number seven, that staff be

04:29:42 Speaker 78: directed to provide a report back

04:29:43 Speaker 78: to the joint municipal services committee

04:29:45 Speaker 78: on identified services to the next

04:29:48 Speaker 78: meeting. May I ask for

04:29:49 Speaker 78: a mover and a seconder? It's

04:29:52 Speaker 78: moved by Councillor McKay and

04:29:55 Speaker 78: seconded by Councillor Hutchinson. It's now

04:29:57 Speaker 78: on the floor for discussion.

04:29:59 Speaker 78: Over to you, CEO. Over to

04:30:00 Speaker 78: you. See you. Great, thank you

04:30:03 Speaker 78: very much, Ward Matrasos. So, the

04:30:05 Speaker 78: recently created Joint Missile Service Committee

04:30:07 Speaker 78: met for the first time on

04:30:10 Speaker 78: July 29th this year, last month.

04:30:13 Speaker 78: As Ward Matrasos indicated, Council

04:30:16 Speaker 78: Body was elected as chair. Council

04:30:19 Speaker 78: Dicker was elected as vice

04:30:21 Speaker 78: chair. An overview of the terms

04:30:24 Speaker 78: of reference for this committee was

04:30:27 Speaker 78: reviewed with the committee, and just

04:30:29 Speaker 78: as a bit of a recap

04:30:31 Speaker 78: for council, the purpose of this

04:30:34 Speaker 78: committee is to look for opportunities

04:30:36 Speaker 78: for shared services and then to

04:30:38 Speaker 78: develop a recommendation. to council on

04:30:41 Speaker 78: services that have the potential to

04:30:43 Speaker 78: be shared among two or more

04:30:46 Speaker 78: municipalities within Gray County. The focus

04:30:47 Speaker 78: is on services that would improve

04:30:49 Speaker 78: the financial condition of at least

04:30:53 Speaker 78: two municipalities, as well as shared

04:30:54 Speaker 78: services that have the potential to

04:30:56 Speaker 78: improve the level of service for

04:30:59 Speaker 78: residents. The intent is that the

04:31:03 Speaker 78: committee would develop a plan on

04:31:05 Speaker 78: what shared servicing ranges should be

04:31:07 Speaker 78: explored further, and that prioritizing some

04:31:10 Speaker 78: of those those potential services, and

04:31:12 Speaker 78: then bring that back to. council

04:31:14 Speaker 78: for further direction and information. One

04:31:17 Speaker 78: of the actions, as I noted,

04:31:18 Speaker 78: for the committee is to develop

04:31:21 Speaker 78: that priority list of potential shared

04:31:24 Speaker 78: services to be considered for

04:31:27 Speaker 78: council's consideration and direction. As

04:31:30 Speaker 78: the warden indicated through the motion,

04:31:33 Speaker 78: there was a report that was

04:31:36 Speaker 78: presented on ongoing work and background.

04:31:40 Speaker 78: And in order to provide some

04:31:42 Speaker 78: context and background information to the

04:31:46 Speaker 78: committee, staff presented a report on

04:31:48 Speaker 78: the ongoing work that county and

04:31:49 Speaker 78: member municipalities are already doing. when

04:31:51 Speaker 78: it comes to shared services. Guided

04:31:53 Speaker 78: by the strategic plan, the county

04:31:56 Speaker 78: and its member municipalities routinely work

04:31:59 Speaker 78: together and explore opportunities for collabouration

04:32:03 Speaker 78: to find efficiencies and opportunities to

04:32:05 Speaker 78: improve services. An overview was provided,

04:32:07 Speaker 78: excuse me, of the of the

04:32:09 Speaker 78: collabouration framework that was created

04:32:10 Speaker 78: in 2013 and was endorsed by

04:32:13 Speaker 78: council. And this framework was used

04:32:14 Speaker 78: back in that time period to

04:32:16 Speaker 78: explore library services back into. Library

04:32:19 Speaker 78: services. Back in 2014, the principles

04:32:21 Speaker 78: of intent in this framework have

04:32:23 Speaker 78: been used to explore subsequent discussions

04:32:26 Speaker 78: on potential service partnerships, including recent

04:32:28 Speaker 78: discussions in areas such as centralized

04:32:30 Speaker 78: planning services as well as waste

04:32:34 Speaker 78: collection services. The report provides information

04:32:36 Speaker 78: on collabouration and shared services that

04:32:38 Speaker 79: have been created and and discussed

04:32:41 Speaker 79: over the past decade, as examples

04:32:43 Speaker 79: of areas where potential may be

04:32:47 Speaker 79: may exist for greater alignment to

04:32:49 Speaker 79: help inform the discussion of this

04:32:50 Speaker 79: committee. Waste management report. So, staff

04:32:52 Speaker 80: also presented a report highlighting the

04:32:57 Speaker 80: work of the what's called the

04:32:58 Speaker 80: waste management community practice, and it's

04:33:00 Speaker 80: a group consisting of local municipal

04:33:02 Speaker 80: waste managers who share best

04:33:06 Speaker 63: practices and also identify potential collabouration

04:33:10 Speaker 63: opportunities. The waste management community practice

04:33:12 Speaker 63: is supported by both the county

04:33:15 Speaker 63: strategic plan as well as Going

04:33:17 Speaker 63: Green and Gray. Like other service

04:33:20 Speaker 63: areas, municipalities. are already collabourating on

04:33:23 Speaker 63: waste management, including some municipalities sharing

04:33:24 Speaker 63: landfill space, sharing leaf yard waste

04:33:27 Speaker 63: sites, as well as municipalities collabourating

04:33:29 Speaker 63: on household hazardous waste days, just

04:33:30 Speaker 63: to name a few. The report

04:33:32 Speaker 63: also identifies some further collabouration opportunities

04:33:36 Speaker 63: when it comes to waste management,

04:33:39 Speaker 63: things like partnering on recycling and

04:33:41 Speaker 63: diversion services, joint educational campaigns, joint

04:33:44 Speaker 63: procurement of waste collection services, developing

04:33:46 Speaker 63: regional composting facilities to support local

04:33:47 Speaker 63: organic waste composting, collabourating and partnering

04:33:49 Speaker 63: regionally on household hazardous waste programmemes

04:33:51 Speaker 63: and drop-off sites, potential opportunities for

04:33:53 Speaker 63: landfill sharing and access, as well

04:33:55 Speaker 63: as exploring the potential local for

04:33:57 Speaker 63: waste-to-energy partnerships. So many of these

04:33:59 Speaker 63: areas for collabouration could be further

04:34:01 Speaker 63: explored through the development of a

04:34:02 Speaker 63: combined waste management master plan, and

04:34:05 Speaker 63: this could identify priorities for joint

04:34:08 Speaker 63: services. Committee received that report and

04:34:10 Speaker 63: recommend. the members of the community

04:34:12 Speaker 63: practice be encouraged to provide updates

04:34:14 Speaker 63: to their municipal member councils, and

04:34:16 Speaker 63: that based on council feedback, the

04:34:18 Speaker 63: community practice also identify priorities for

04:34:21 Speaker 63: collabourative and shared services with respect

04:34:22 Speaker 63: to waste collection. With respect to

04:34:24 Speaker 63: the list, so the committee then

04:34:26 Speaker 63: did a brainstorming activity where members

04:34:28 Speaker 63: identified some potential shared services that

04:34:30 Speaker 63: could be explored further, and they

04:34:33 Speaker 63: went through an exercise to start

04:34:34 Speaker 63: to prioritize. Ties to start to

04:34:40 Speaker 76: prioritize some of those opportunities. So

04:34:44 Speaker 76: some of the opportunities that were

04:34:47 Speaker 76: identified by the committee: waste management,

04:34:48 Speaker 76: staffing, including areas of air retention

04:34:51 Speaker 76: and skills development, procurement services, policies

04:34:52 Speaker 76: and standards, physician recruitment, services such

04:34:54 Speaker 76: as wastewater and water, equipment sharing

04:34:55 Speaker 76: and leasing of a fleet, building

04:34:59 Speaker 76: inspection services, centralized tax collection, as

04:35:01 Speaker 76: well as information systems. the committee

04:35:04 Speaker 48: discussed and participated in exercise to

04:35:06 Speaker 48: determine which of the above categories

04:35:08 Speaker 48: the committee would like to see

04:35:10 Speaker 48: further information on, and and so

04:35:12 Speaker 48: they went through a prioritization exercise

04:35:13 Speaker 48: and they determined the top three

04:35:15 Speaker 48: as staffing, waste management, and physician

04:35:18 Speaker 48: recruitment as as potential areas to

04:35:23 Speaker 48: focus on. Committee then passed a

04:35:25 Speaker 48: motion directing staff to provide a

04:35:27 Speaker 48: report back to the Joint Missile

04:35:29 Speaker 48: Services Committee, providing some initial information

04:35:31 Speaker 63: on. those identified services at the

04:35:33 Speaker 63: next meeting, and the next meeting

04:35:35 Speaker 63: has been scheduled for September 26.

04:35:37 Speaker 63: The committee was interested in hearing

04:35:40 Speaker 63: any initial feedback that council may

04:35:42 Speaker 63: have with respect to that

04:35:44 Speaker 63: shared service list, as well as

04:35:46 Speaker 63: the top three priority areas that

04:35:48 Speaker 63: were identified by the committee. Happy

04:35:50 Speaker 63: to take any questions. Okay, I'll

04:35:52 Speaker 63: put it out there. Let's begin

04:35:54 Speaker 63: with the deputy warden. Thank you,

04:35:55 Speaker 63: Madam Warden. Randy. it mentions in

04:35:56 Speaker 63: the report that the committee discussed

04:35:58 Speaker 63: increased usage of incinerators in Ontario.

04:36:01 Speaker 63: Where's that happening? To my knowledge,

04:36:04 Speaker 63: there hasn't been an incinerator built

04:36:07 Speaker 63: in Ontario in decades. But I'm

04:36:08 Speaker 63: just curious to know. Please. Through

04:36:10 Speaker 63: you, Madam Warden, I was in

04:36:12 Speaker 63: that. It might have been a

04:36:13 Speaker 63: typo or miscommunication in terms of

04:36:16 Speaker 63: incinerators. The incinerator discussion is is

04:36:18 Speaker 63: definitely. Becoming more prevalent just based

04:36:21 Speaker 63: on overall landfill capacity throughout the

04:36:24 Speaker 63: province. What was identified at a

04:36:26 Speaker 63: recent conference that staff were able

04:36:28 Speaker 63: to attend was noting that collectively,

04:36:30 Speaker 63: overall landfill capacity across the province

04:36:32 Speaker 63: is less than ten years of

04:36:35 Speaker 63: landfill capacity. And as we all

04:36:39 Speaker 63: know, that the to in order

04:36:43 Speaker 63: to get to an approval of

04:36:46 Speaker 63: a new landfill site, it takes

04:36:47 Speaker 63: many many years. So in terms

04:36:52 Speaker 63: of the words that where

04:36:54 Speaker 63: I expressed at that conference, in

04:36:56 Speaker 63: terms of waste management becoming a

04:37:00 Speaker 63: potential crisis, that was definitely expressed

04:37:02 Speaker 63: as part of that conference. Just

04:37:04 Speaker 63: based on overall landfill capacity, through

04:37:05 Speaker 63: that there was discussions about looking

04:37:07 Speaker 63: at other opportunities in order to

04:37:08 Speaker 63: how how we deal with this

04:37:10 Speaker 63: waste beyond diversion, which should be

04:37:11 Speaker 63: our number one. Is we still

04:37:12 Speaker 63: have some waste that we need

04:37:15 Speaker 55: to potentially get rid of, and

04:37:23 Speaker 55: there was concerns at that time

04:37:25 Speaker 55: too that if the the border

04:37:26 Speaker 55: was closed off to be able

04:37:28 Speaker 55: to ship any waste south into

04:37:29 Speaker 55: the states, what does that look

04:37:34 Speaker 55: like in terms of then that

04:37:35 Speaker 55: crisis now becoming even more of

04:37:36 Speaker 55: a crisis? And so, looking for

04:37:38 Speaker 55: those other alternative measures in order

04:37:39 Speaker 55: to how we manage our overall

04:37:41 Speaker 55: waste. So, although there's not incinerators

04:37:43 Speaker 58: that I'm aware of at this

04:37:45 Speaker 58: stage, there are others that are

04:37:47 Speaker 58: looking at potential incineration as an

04:37:50 Speaker 58: option if if and when

04:37:52 Speaker 58: we might get. to some of

04:37:55 Speaker 58: those situations I just described.

04:37:57 Speaker 58: Okay. Other questions? Okay. Not.

04:37:59 Speaker 58: Oh, there we go. Councillor Mackey.

04:38:01 Speaker 58: Thanks, Warden. Thanks, Randy, for the

04:38:03 Speaker 58: update. I'm just wondering the the

04:38:06 Speaker 58: waste. I think it was a

04:38:07 Speaker 58: couple years ago that County Council

04:38:08 Speaker 58: asked to look at you know

04:38:13 Speaker 58: the joint waste situation. Really, not

04:38:16 Speaker 58: heard anything in the last two

04:38:17 Speaker 58: years until today. So. is the

04:38:18 Speaker 58: group making much progress, and why

04:38:19 Speaker 58: aren't we hearing anything at a lower tier level?

04:38:19 Speaker 58: We're having to make decisions around waste management on a regular basis, and it would be nice to have that input and to know where that direction possibly might be leading.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: Thank you.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: To you, Warren Majorsovs, and so this was actually our first update to be able to provide, and we provided through the Joint Missile Service Committee because we.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: Services Committee, because we've identified it as based through that community practice an area of potential collabouration and sharing of services.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: So that was that report that was presented to the Joint Missiles Services Committee captured basically all the information that's been generated and collected over the past couple years with respect to that that committee and that group.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: We started initially with just doing a kind of a state of the nation in terms of what what does our existing waste management processes and systems look like across Great.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: Systems look like across Gray County, so we've captured all that information into into a report, as well as identifying what are those potential areas of collabouration.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: So that that report that was presented to the Joint Municipal Services Committee is a summary of all that work.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: If for those that haven't reviewed that report, I encourage encourage members to review that, and we're happy to if council is interested in hearing an overall presentation of about that report, we're happy.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: to share the the presentation that was provided to the Joint Municipal Service Committee.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: It's as noted.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: There's already collabouration happening in in your own municipality in Chatsworth.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: Councillor Councillor Mackie is sharing landfill space with with your neighbours to the south and Grey Highlands.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: Municipalities are sharing leaf and yard waste.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: Municipalities are already sharing household hazardous waste days.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: So there's already collabouration.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: happening, and the waste management community practice has identified some further opportunities for collabouration.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: And I think this is where the Joint Missile Service community said, "Let's look into this a little bit further." So that's why it became one of their top three in terms of digging into some of those some of those opportunities further.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: That makes sense.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: Okay.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: Thank you.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: Okay.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: Not seeing any further hands.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: In that case, then.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: I'll call the question.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: All those in favour?

04:38:20 Speaker 58: And that motion is carried.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: Thank you.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: Thank you very much, Cao.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: Okay.

8 Closed Meeting Matters

The meeting proceeded to item eight, which addressed closed meeting matters.

04:38:20 Speaker 58: So at this point in time, then we are now at item eight, which is closed meeting matters.

04:38:21 Speaker 58: It's recommended that the committee, the whole, does now go into closed session pursuant to section two thirty nine two of the Municipal Act two thousand and one as amended, to discuss number one, labour relations or employee negotiations regarding QP fifteen thirty, and number two.

04:38:21 Speaker 58: 1530 and number two, advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege, including communications necessary for that purpose regarding board of health membership, and this was added to the agenda on August 13th, 2025.

04:38:21 Speaker 58: So with that, I will ask for a mover.

04:38:21 Speaker 58: It's moved by Councillor Patterson, seconded by Councillor Pringle, and all those in favour.

04:38:21 Speaker 58: Okay, so we thank you.

04:38:21 Speaker 58: That motion is carried.

04:38:21 Speaker 58: We will now do the switch over with the people in the room and the technology.

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