Grey County Committee of the Whole Meeting Transcript — August 14, 2025
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Grey County · Committee of the Whole · August 14, 2025
Summary
The Committee of the Whole advanced specific development projects and capital funding on August 14, 2025, while considering a report on paid parking options for the Rail Trail. Several Official Plan Amendment motions were determined, with one request to allow special events at the Highland Estate rejected following procedural refusal.
Top Newsworthy Developments
- Council Carries Motion to Refuse OPA 22: A motion recommending that Official Plan Amendment 4208180 OPA 22 for a special events venue in Grey Highlands be refused was moved and seconded. Council discussed procedural options regarding whether to pass a formal bylaw or simply record intent in the minutes for ratification on September 11th.
- Report on Paid Parking Options Received: Ms. Johnson presented a report on paid parking options for county-owned lots along rail trails and forest properties.
- PDR-CW-44-25 Paid Parking Options for the Rail Trail and County Forests Report: Ms. Johnson presented a report on paid parking options for county-owned lots along rail trails and forest properties.
- CSR-CW-12-25 Affordable Housing Funds for Lutheran Social Service Building: A motion was moved and seconded regarding affordable housing funding for a nonprofit provider in Owen Sound. The proposal included capital funds for construction and subsequent operating support contingent on occupancy.
- Budget and Finance Committee meeting minutes dated July 23, 2025: The Committee of the Whole reviewed capital and financial updates for housing, economic development, and healthcare, noting increased winter costs and a variance in court security expenses. The committee then prioritized staffing, waste management, and physician recruitment within a shared services report before passing a motion directing staff to report back to the Joint Missile Services Committee by September 26.
- Adoption of Budget and Finance Committee Minutes: The Committee of the Whole carried a motion to adopt the Budget and Finance Committee minutes from July 23, 2025, which included receiving reports on capital project status, financial updates, and healthcare funding requests.
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1 Call to Order
The meeting opened with attendance calls and a land acknowledgement before adopting July 24 minutes and bylaws 524625 and 524725. Council members announced community events including a relocated Markdale Fall Fair due to arena fire damage and hosted lacrosse teams. Additionally, council discussed local events such as the Grey Highlands Ram Rodeo fundraising for the Mark Dill Hospital Foundation and updates on agricultural education at the Soggy Valley Children's Safety Village.
00:06:26 Speaker 01: would like to now call to
00:06:28 Speaker 01: order this meeting of August Fourteenth,
00:06:29 Speaker 01: twenty twenty-five. At this point in
00:06:32 Speaker 01: time, as you are able, please
00:06:33 Speaker 01: join us in the standing and
00:06:34 Speaker 01: singing of O Canada. our home
00:06:36 Speaker 01: and native land, true patriot love
00:06:52 Speaker 02: in all of us command. With
00:06:59 Speaker 02: glowing hearts, we see thee rise,
00:07:04 Speaker 03: the. rise, the true North, strong
00:07:08 Speaker 03: and free, from far and wide,
00:07:12 Speaker 03: O Canada, we stand on guard
00:07:17 Speaker 03: for thee. God keep our land,
00:07:22 Speaker 03: glorious and free, O Canada, we
00:07:29 Speaker 03: stand on guard for. thee, O
00:07:36 Speaker 03: Canada! We stand on guard for
00:07:43 Speaker 03: thee. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Would
00:07:57 Speaker 03: you please conduct the roll call?
00:07:59 Speaker 03: Councillor Mackie. Councillor. McKay, Councillor Carleton,
00:08:05 Speaker 03: Councillor Pringle, Councillor McQueen, Councillor
00:08:08 Speaker 03: Nielsen, Councillor Patterson, Councillor Dickert,
00:08:11 Speaker 03: Councillor Kentner, Councillor Kevany, Councillor
00:08:15 Speaker 03: Body, I believe is joining
00:08:19 Speaker 03: us later this morning. Councillor Gregg,
00:08:20 Speaker 04: Councillor Milne, Councillor Dobrine, Gordon Matrasovs,
00:08:23 Speaker 04: Councillor Bourignon, Present, Councillor Eccles,
00:08:27 Speaker 04: Councillor Hutchinson, We. have all
00:08:31 Speaker 04: members in attendance with the exception
00:08:35 Speaker 04: of Councillor Body. Thank you very
00:08:36 Speaker 04: much, Madam Clerk, and that we
00:08:40 Speaker 04: will proceed to the land acknowledgement.
00:08:42 Speaker 04: Let us begin by respectfully acknowledging
00:08:46 Speaker 05: that we are gathering on the
00:08:49 Speaker 05: traditional territory of the Anishinaabek Nation,
00:08:50 Speaker 05: the three the people of the
00:08:53 Speaker 05: three fires known as the Ojibwe,
00:08:55 Speaker 05: Odawa, and Potawatomi Nations, and further
00:08:57 Speaker 05: we give thanks to the Chippewas
00:09:00 Speaker 05: of Saugeen and the Chippewas. Of
00:09:01 Speaker 05: Sogean and the Chippewas of Nawash,
00:09:03 Speaker 05: known collectively as the Sogean Ojibwe
00:09:06 Speaker 05: Nation, the traditional keepers of these
00:09:08 Speaker 05: lands and waters since time immemorial.
00:09:12 Speaker 05: In our south of the county
00:09:13 Speaker 05: lies the traditional territories of the
00:09:15 Speaker 05: six nations of the Grand River
00:09:17 Speaker 05: Haudenosaunee. We are dedicated to honouring
00:09:21 Speaker 05: Indigenous history and culture, and committed
00:09:23 Speaker 05: to moving forward in a spirit
00:09:25 Speaker 05: of truth, reconciliation, and friendship with
00:09:28 Speaker 05: all First Nations, Métis, and Inuit
00:09:31 Speaker 05: people. At this point in time,
00:09:34 Speaker 05: I would like to put out
00:09:35 Speaker 05: a call. If there are any
00:09:36 Speaker 05: declarations of interest, seeing and hearing
00:09:41 Speaker 05: none, we'll move on. It is
00:09:43 Speaker 05: recommended, item six. It's recommended that
00:09:46 Speaker 05: the minutes of the county council
00:09:47 Speaker 05: meeting and the committee, the whole
00:09:49 Speaker 05: meeting, dated July twenty fourth, twenty
00:09:51 Speaker 05: twenty five, and the resolutions contained
00:09:53 Speaker 05: therein be adopted as presented. May
00:09:55 Speaker 05: I ask for a mover? Moved
00:09:56 Speaker 05: by Councillor Greg, seconded by Councillor
00:09:58 Speaker 05: Dobrine. Any discussion? All those in
00:10:03 Speaker 05: favour, and that motion is carried.
00:10:05 Speaker 05: We do not have any closed
00:10:07 Speaker 05: session matters here on this agenda,
00:10:10 Speaker 05: nor reports, so we can move
00:10:11 Speaker 05: to the bylaws. It is recommended
00:10:14 Speaker 05: that bylaws 524625 and 524725 be
00:10:20 Speaker 05: introduced and be taken as read
00:10:21 Speaker 05: a first, second, and third time.
00:10:24 Speaker 05: Finally, passed, signed by the warden
00:10:26 Speaker 05: and the clerk, sealed with the
00:10:27 Speaker 05: seal of the corporation. and engrossed
00:10:29 Speaker 05: in the bylaw book, number one
00:10:31 Speaker 05: fifty two forty six twenty five
00:10:33 Speaker 05: is a bylaw to adopt amendment
00:10:35 Speaker 05: number twenty one of the Grey
00:10:37 Speaker 05: County of Grey Official Plan affecting
00:10:39 Speaker 05: lands described as part of Lot
00:10:41 Speaker 05: seventy five Concession B being Part
00:10:43 Speaker 05: One Reference Plan seventeen R five
00:10:46 Speaker 05: three one Geographic Township of Normanby
00:10:50 Speaker 05: and now in the Municipality of
00:10:51 Speaker 05: West Grey and number two is
00:10:53 Speaker 05: fifty two forty seven twenty five
00:10:55 Speaker 05: a bylaw to confirm all. the
00:10:57 Speaker 05: actions and proceedings of council. May
00:10:59 Speaker 05: I ask for mover? Moved by
00:11:00 Speaker 05: Councillor Dickert, seconded by Councillor Pringle.
00:11:03 Speaker 05: Any discussion? All those in favour?
00:11:06 Speaker 05: And that motion is carried. On
00:11:09 Speaker 05: to news and celebrations. The first
00:11:11 Speaker 05: one that we will highlight will
00:11:13 Speaker 05: be about the 75th anniversary of
00:11:15 Speaker 05: the Soggy Valley Conservation Authority. I
00:11:18 Speaker 05: would like to make a brief
00:11:19 Speaker 05: introduction and then pass the floor
00:11:21 Speaker 05: to Councillor Hutchinson to speak on
00:11:24 Speaker 05: behalf of the MV. On behalf
00:11:28 Speaker 05: of the MVCA, the Soging, sorry,
00:11:32 Speaker 05: the SVCA, too many acronyms in
00:11:36 Speaker 05: in this territory, Soging Valley Conservation
00:11:39 Speaker 05: Authority held a special celebration on
00:11:41 Speaker 05: Tuesday, July twenty ninth, to
00:11:44 Speaker 05: mark its seventy fifth anniversary. There
00:11:46 Speaker 05: were approximately a hundred guests in
00:11:47 Speaker 05: attendance who heard greetings and remarks
00:11:50 Speaker 05: from MP Lobb and MP P
00:11:52 Speaker 05: Thompson, and Mayor Mark Goetz and
00:11:55 Speaker 05: Mayor Milne and Conservation Ontario was
00:11:59 Speaker 05: also there with SVCA and GCA
00:12:02 Speaker 05: and Grey Sauble Conservation Authority. As
00:12:04 Speaker 05: part of the celebrations, there was
00:12:05 Speaker 05: a ribbon cutting and a grand
00:12:08 Speaker 05: opening of the new Formosa Conservation
00:12:13 Speaker 05: Area located beside the SVCA's administration
00:12:16 Speaker 05: office. The area is a 24-acre
00:12:18 Speaker 05: parcel where visitors can hike, snowshoe,
00:12:20 Speaker 05: and walk all year round, and
00:12:21 Speaker 05: will serve as a great
00:12:23 Speaker 05: addition to the conservation. authority. So,
00:12:27 Speaker 05: Councillor Hutchinson, that sounds very, very
00:12:28 Speaker 05: exciting indeed. And would you like
00:12:32 Speaker 05: to provide any further comments? Well,
00:12:34 Speaker 05: thank you very much, and good
00:12:36 Speaker 05: morning, Ward. I think you kind
00:12:37 Speaker 05: of took everything I was going
00:12:40 Speaker 05: to speak to. I'm going through
00:12:41 Speaker 05: and check, check, check. But, anyways,
00:12:44 Speaker 05: we do want to thank you
00:12:45 Speaker 06: for attending. A couple of people
00:12:49 Speaker 06: did have, I will say, representation
00:12:50 Speaker 06: from across the board, all the
00:12:53 Speaker 06: municipalities that are in the. All
00:12:56 Speaker 06: the ministers' deputies that are in
00:12:59 Speaker 06: the watershed. In addition to that,
00:13:01 Speaker 06: we did have MPP. We had
00:13:05 Speaker 06: MPP Lott there, yes, and MPP
00:13:08 Speaker 06: Lisa Thompson was there. We had
00:13:10 Speaker 06: some Vickers was not there, sir.
00:13:10 Speaker 06: No, no, sir. We had you
00:13:12 Speaker 06: know some past chairs were there,
00:13:14 Speaker 06: and it was a lot of
00:13:15 Speaker 06: good speeches. Again, a hundred guests.
00:13:18 Speaker 06: We did do that ribbon cut,
00:13:20 Speaker 06: which was nice to see. It
00:13:21 Speaker 06: just another another ribbon cut for
00:13:23 Speaker 06: another extended. Ribbon cut for another
00:13:24 Speaker 06: extension of conservation. I don't know
00:13:25 Speaker 06: what is that—a kilometre in there,
00:13:27 Speaker 06: the trail in there. Do you
00:13:30 Speaker 06: remember about about a kilometre of
00:13:31 Speaker 06: new trails opened up as well?
00:13:32 Speaker 06: I didn't walk them because it
00:13:34 Speaker 06: was subject to a little bit
00:13:36 Speaker 06: of an injury, so I don't
00:13:39 Speaker 06: know anybody else to took it
00:13:41 Speaker 06: on. But it was—it's pretty good
00:13:42 Speaker 06: to see that open as well.
00:13:45 Speaker 06: Other than that, yes. Dog walk.
00:13:46 Speaker 06: I think you covered everything though,
00:13:47 Speaker 06: and we do want to—we do
00:13:49 Speaker 06: appreciate you and your attendance. Thank
00:13:53 Speaker 06: you. I don't have anything else
00:13:54 Speaker 06: to say. I guess they're looking
00:13:56 Speaker 06: forward to a. To say, I
00:13:57 Speaker 06: guess they're looking forward to the
00:13:59 Speaker 01: next 75 years. Believe it or
00:14:09 Speaker 07: not. Thanks. Okay, thank you very
00:14:11 Speaker 07: much. And with that, we'll move
00:14:13 Speaker 07: on to a funding announcement. I'd
00:14:15 Speaker 07: like to call up Director Nab
00:14:16 Speaker 07: to come speak to that. Good
00:14:18 Speaker 08: morning, Warden and County Council. I'm
00:14:24 Speaker 08: pleased to report our community paramedic
00:14:26 Speaker 08: programme is now fully funded through
00:14:27 Speaker 08: the Ministry of Health and Ministry
00:14:29 Speaker 08: of Long Term. Care. The Ministry
00:14:31 Speaker 08: of Health funding has been old.
00:14:33 Speaker 08: The Ministry of Health funding has
00:14:35 Speaker 08: already been considered permanent, and we're
00:14:36 Speaker 08: pleased to share that the Ministry
00:14:37 Speaker 08: of Long Term Care has now
00:14:40 Speaker 08: confirmed its funding is permanent as
00:14:42 Speaker 08: well. In addition, annual funding
00:14:44 Speaker 08: from the Ministry of Long Term
00:14:46 Speaker 08: Care is increased from one million
00:14:48 Speaker 08: to one point five million. This
00:14:50 Speaker 08: combined support ensures the Grey County
00:14:52 Speaker 08: Community Paramedic Programme is one hundred
00:14:54 Speaker 08: percent provincially funded. allowing us to
00:14:55 Speaker 08: continue to deliver high quality care
00:14:56 Speaker 08: to older adults and the most
00:14:59 Speaker 08: vulnerable members of our community. Also,
00:15:01 Speaker 08: want to say say a special
00:15:02 Speaker 08: thank you from all of us
00:15:04 Speaker 08: to County Council for their strong
00:15:05 Speaker 08: support over the last ten years.
00:15:09 Speaker 08: Your commitment ensured that any shortfalls
00:15:11 Speaker 08: recovered, allowing the programme to continue
00:15:12 Speaker 08: and grow. So, thank you. And
00:15:14 Speaker 08: it's been a really great day
00:15:16 Speaker 08: to say that now it's one
00:15:17 Speaker 08: hundred percent funded.
00:15:26 Speaker 08: Excellent.
00:15:29 Speaker 08: Thank you
00:15:36 Speaker 08: very much for that. Great way
00:15:39 Speaker 08: to start the day. and with
00:15:41 Speaker 08: that, I would like to call
00:15:43 Speaker 08: up Director Shaw to come and
00:15:45 Speaker 08: make an announcement about early on.
00:15:47 Speaker 08: There we go. Good morning, Council.
00:15:50 Speaker 08: I just wanted to let everyone
00:15:52 Speaker 09: know that there are some new.
00:15:56 Speaker 09: childcare spaces and a new early
00:15:58 Speaker 09: on centre in Markdale. The Markdale
00:16:01 Speaker 09: Kids and Us operates the new
00:16:04 Speaker 09: Beavercrest Community School and now includes
00:16:06 Speaker 09: a four-hour after-school programme. The early
00:16:08 Speaker 09: on Markdale site is also located
00:16:10 Speaker 09: at this at this location too,
00:16:11 Speaker 09: so more convenience. The childcare centre
00:16:13 Speaker 09: provides inclusive programmemes for children aged
00:16:21 Speaker 09: 13 months to school age in
00:16:23 Speaker 09: a new inviting space. And there
00:16:24 Speaker 09: was a grand opening. that was
00:16:25 Speaker 09: held on August sixth. And thank
00:16:26 Speaker 09: you for those of you that
00:16:28 Speaker 09: attended. Very exciting for the Markdale
00:16:30 Speaker 09: community and beyond as well. It
00:16:31 Speaker 09: was wonderful to be there, and
00:16:34 Speaker 09: I must say it was wonderful
00:16:35 Speaker 09: to bring my granddaughter along too,
00:16:37 Speaker 09: just to test it out and
00:16:38 Speaker 09: sample it. Everything looks great. You're
00:16:42 Speaker 10: really going to enjoy that extra
00:16:45 Speaker 10: facility. And with that, I'll open
00:16:47 Speaker 10: it to the county floor. If
00:16:48 Speaker 10: there are other announcements, we'll begin
00:16:50 Speaker 10: with Councillor Nielsen. I'm going to
00:16:51 Speaker 10: take a step here from Deputy
00:16:53 Speaker 10: Ward Milne. Stand up. Many of
00:16:56 Speaker 10: you may know that a couple
00:16:57 Speaker 10: weeks ago we did have a
00:16:59 Speaker 10: minor fire at the Markdale Arena,
00:17:01 Speaker 10: so it has caused some disruptions.
00:17:03 Speaker 10: But we all know the Agricultural
00:17:04 Speaker 10: Society will never be put down
00:17:06 Speaker 10: by a fire, so the Markdale
00:17:08 Speaker 10: Fall Fair will continue to happen
00:17:10 Speaker 10: at the King Edward Park grounds.
00:17:11 Speaker 10: Everything will be held outside. We're
00:17:14 Speaker 10: going to be setting up tents,
00:17:16 Speaker 10: utilising the library space that's there.
00:17:17 Speaker 10: So Saturday, August twenty third, Friday
00:17:18 Speaker 10: night is the ambassador programme on
00:17:20 Speaker 10: the twenty second. Please, anybody can
00:17:23 Speaker 10: come out, celebrate with us because
00:17:27 Speaker 10: even though a fire happened, we're
00:17:30 Speaker 10: going to keep on going with
00:17:33 Speaker 10: the fall fair, the one hundred
00:17:36 Speaker 10: and sixty seventh Markdale Agricultural Fall
00:17:37 Speaker 10: Fair. Thanks very much. Excellent. Good
00:17:39 Speaker 11: to hear that. And we'll go
00:17:42 Speaker 11: to Deputy Warden Mill next. Thank
00:17:44 Speaker 11: you, Warden. In spite of that.
00:17:48 Speaker 11: event going on, there'll be some
00:17:51 Speaker 11: high flying in Holtville on the
00:17:54 Speaker 11: same weekend, August twenty third, twenty
00:17:55 Speaker 11: fourth, the Saturday and Sunday. The
00:17:56 Speaker 11: Holtville Kite Festival will be in
00:17:59 Speaker 11: in production. I'm not sure exactly,
00:18:02 Speaker 11: but it's in Holtville somewhere. If
00:18:03 Speaker 11: you get to Holtville, you'll see
00:18:05 Speaker 11: it. Just look on the horizon,
00:18:07 Speaker 11: you'll see the. South. Okay, south
00:18:11 Speaker 11: of Holtville. So anyway, you're all
00:18:12 Speaker 11: welcome to attend, and it's a
00:18:13 Speaker 11: really cool event. Ten and it's
00:18:16 Speaker 11: a really cool event. It's not
00:18:17 Speaker 11: just you know the traditional old
00:18:22 Speaker 11: triangle. They got huge, big kites.
00:18:27 Speaker 11: I don't know how they get
00:18:30 Speaker 11: them up in the air, but
00:18:31 Speaker 11: it's it's good. It's a really
00:18:34 Speaker 11: cool event. So you're all invited.
00:18:36 Speaker 11: Come on down. Okay, thank you,
00:18:37 Speaker 11: Councillor Body. Thank you very much.
00:18:39 Speaker 11: As everyone knows, Canada has two
00:18:41 Speaker 11: official sports. Its summer official sport
00:18:42 Speaker 12: is lacrosse and. hockey, and in
00:18:47 Speaker 12: the winter, we are so blessed
00:18:49 Speaker 12: to have a really long history
00:18:51 Speaker 12: of both sports in Owen Sound.
00:18:54 Speaker 12: But this year, the lacrosse teams
00:18:55 Speaker 12: got pushed out of the arena
00:18:58 Speaker 12: because of very successful so far
00:18:59 Speaker 12: remaking of the ice and replacing
00:19:02 Speaker 12: of the floor, which is going
00:19:05 Speaker 12: extremely well at the arena. So
00:19:07 Speaker 12: we want to thank West Grey
00:19:09 Speaker 12: for hosting our junior lacrosse team
00:19:12 Speaker 12: this summer. They played down in
00:19:14 Speaker 12: the arena in Durham. they made
00:19:16 Speaker 12: the playoffs, and thank Meaford for
00:19:19 Speaker 12: hosting our senior and major teams,
00:19:21 Speaker 12: both of which made the playoffs.
00:19:23 Speaker 12: Major is the best lacrosse in
00:19:26 Speaker 12: the world. It's like it's like
00:19:27 Speaker 12: summertime for NHL. The guys that
00:19:30 Speaker 12: are playing pro in the states
00:19:32 Speaker 12: in the winter are playing major
00:19:34 Speaker 12: lacrosse in the summer to win
00:19:37 Speaker 12: the Man Cup. On Sound had
00:19:38 Speaker 12: a very young major team that
00:19:41 Speaker 12: did extremely well, made the playoffs.
00:19:44 Speaker 12: and weren't expected to, and then
00:19:46 Speaker 12: competed very well with Six Nations,
00:19:47 Speaker 12: which is built and financed to
00:19:50 Speaker 12: win the Memorial Cup every year.
00:19:54 Speaker 12: Not Memorial, sorry, not Minto Man
00:19:57 Speaker 12: Cup. Thank you, Minto's Junior A.
00:19:59 Speaker 12: So, thanks to both West Grey
00:20:01 Speaker 12: and Beechford for hosting our teams
00:20:02 Speaker 12: and providing them a home in
00:20:05 Speaker 12: in Grey County. Thanks. Thank you,
00:20:06 Speaker 12: and we'll go to Councillor Kieveny.
00:20:10 Speaker 12: Good morning, Madam. Warden and County
00:20:12 Speaker 12: Council, and thank you, Councillor Body.
00:20:13 Speaker 12: It was our pleasure to host
00:20:15 Speaker 12: the eucross teams, but I just
00:20:16 Speaker 12: wanted to share that we're one
00:20:18 Speaker 12: up on Markdale. It's our 168th
00:20:20 Speaker 12: fall fair coming up on August
00:20:22 Speaker 12: the 30th. Can't believe that we're
00:20:24 Speaker 12: reaching the end of summer. The
00:20:25 Speaker 12: heart of the fair, of course,
00:20:27 Speaker 12: is the livestock shows, beef and
00:20:31 Speaker 12: dairy, and the sheep show is
00:20:33 Speaker 12: always a special one. Saddle horse
00:20:34 Speaker 12: shows and the junior calf
00:20:36 Speaker 12: club is always a big hit,
00:20:38 Speaker 12: and there's. the curling club will
00:20:40 Speaker 12: be full of home crafts and
00:20:42 Speaker 12: gardening, all the big carrots and
00:20:43 Speaker 12: zucchini and all that sort of
00:20:47 Speaker 12: thing. There'll be family-friendly activities and
00:20:49 Speaker 12: children's events, and antique cars will
00:20:54 Speaker 12: be on display. So that's all
00:20:55 Speaker 13: taking place at our curling club
00:20:58 Speaker 13: on August the 30th with a
00:21:01 Speaker 13: 9 a.m. start. Thank you. Okay.
00:21:04 Speaker 13: Thank you very much, and we'll
00:21:07 Speaker 13: go to Councillor Carleton. Thank you,
00:21:09 Speaker 13: Warden Matrisselson. Good morning. Thank you,
00:21:12 Speaker 13: Lord Mayor Trussell, and Good Morning,
00:21:16 Speaker 13: County Council. I was privileged to
00:21:18 Speaker 13: attend yesterday a Women's Institute rally
00:21:20 Speaker 13: hosted by the Campbell Women's Institute,
00:21:24 Speaker 13: with four different Women's Institutes in
00:21:28 Speaker 13: being there for the day. MP
00:21:29 Speaker 13: Alex Rep was there as well,
00:21:32 Speaker 13: and Campbell Women's Institute celebrates 128
00:21:33 Speaker 13: years this year. They are the
00:21:34 Speaker 13: longest surviving Women's Institute, so it
00:21:37 Speaker 13: was a pleasure to be there.
00:21:40 Speaker 13: Excellent, and we'll go to Councillor
00:21:43 Speaker 13: McQueen. Thank you, Madam Warden, and
00:21:46 Speaker 13: County Council. Maybe back to me
00:21:48 Speaker 13: for maybe they didn't count the
00:21:49 Speaker 13: first year for the bear, so
00:21:51 Speaker 14: maybe it'll equal. Moving on, and
00:21:54 Speaker 14: I just wanted to say that
00:21:56 Speaker 14: we, as Grey Highlands Ram Rodeo,
00:21:57 Speaker 14: has completed five years of the
00:22:00 Speaker 14: the event. In total, amount that
00:22:01 Speaker 14: was raised was one hundred ninety
00:22:03 Speaker 14: six thousand eight hundred dollars, and
00:22:04 Speaker 14: has gone into the Mark Dill
00:22:06 Speaker 14: Hospital Foundation, which is more so
00:22:08 Speaker 14: more than what we committed to
00:22:10 Speaker 14: was 180. So I want to
00:22:12 Speaker 14: thank the sponsors. I want to
00:22:15 Speaker 14: thank the volunteers. I want to
00:22:16 Speaker 14: thank even the people that you
00:22:21 Speaker 15: know who came out and our
00:22:28 Speaker 15: staff who made it an event
00:22:30 Speaker 16: that was successful. So again, a
00:22:35 Speaker 16: big thank you for that, and
00:22:37 Speaker 16: it helps support. And council also
00:22:40 Speaker 16: is committed to have it host
00:22:46 Speaker 16: a grand rodeo again for next
00:22:48 Speaker 16: year. Thank you, and to Councillor
00:22:52 Speaker 16: Dobrin. Thank you, Warden. Good morning,
00:22:56 Speaker 16: County Council guests. I wanted to
00:22:58 Speaker 16: just thank the Warden for coming
00:23:00 Speaker 16: to the Soggy Valley Children's Safety
00:23:02 Speaker 16: Village last weekend for its barn-raising
00:23:05 Speaker 16: ribbon-cutting. The Gray Federation and Bruce
00:23:08 Speaker 16: Federation of Agriculture. has been fundraising
00:23:10 Speaker 16: to expand the agricultural education and
00:23:12 Speaker 16: safety section of the Children's Safety
00:23:14 Speaker 16: Village. If you haven't been to
00:23:17 Speaker 16: the village, it really is a
00:23:20 Speaker 16: remarkable place for young and and
00:23:24 Speaker 16: the young at heart. Although we
00:23:27 Speaker 16: can't get into the little carts,
00:23:29 Speaker 16: so I I did want to
00:23:32 Speaker 16: mention a big thank you that
00:23:35 Speaker 16: was extended by the village, the
00:23:37 Speaker 16: the Children's Safety Village, to Gray
00:23:40 Speaker 16: County for. its continued support of
00:23:43 Speaker 16: a multi-year sponsorship. So it is
00:23:45 Speaker 16: every time I go to this
00:23:48 Speaker 16: village, it change. It is there's
00:23:53 Speaker 17: something new and something exciting. It's
00:23:56 Speaker 18: a great learning opportunity for our
00:24:02 Speaker 18: youth. It is free for youth
00:24:03 Speaker 18: to attend. The schools need only
00:24:06 Speaker 18: support it through transportation, and they
00:24:08 Speaker 18: often get sponsorship. So thank you,
00:24:09 Speaker 18: County. Council, for its continued support
00:24:11 Speaker 18: of the village. Okay, thank you.
00:24:12 Speaker 18: And looking around the horseshoe, we'll
00:24:14 Speaker 18: go to Councillor Hutchinson. Yeah, thank
00:24:15 Speaker 19: you, and good morning again. I
00:24:19 Speaker 19: just want to follow up with
00:24:22 Speaker 19: Councillor Mill regarding the kite fest.
00:24:25 Speaker 19: You can go to the South
00:24:28 Speaker 19: Bay Chamber of Commerce website to
00:24:30 Speaker 19: get the all the mapping and
00:24:33 Speaker 19: details are on there. Also, I'm
00:24:35 Speaker 19: There. Also, I want to announce
00:24:36 Speaker 19: that Saturday, September 27th, the Durham
00:24:37 Speaker 19: Hospital Foundation, in we're chasing a
00:24:38 Speaker 19: 1.2 million dollar asset enhancement to
00:24:40 Speaker 19: the Durham Hospital. It's a new
00:24:41 Speaker 19: X-ray suite. We're holding a ACDC
00:24:46 Speaker 19: tribute band called Thunderstruck. So tickets
00:24:49 Speaker 20: are available in your public yard.
00:24:52 Speaker 20: Where you go to the Durham
00:24:55 Speaker 20: Hospital Foundation and get a hold
00:24:56 Speaker 20: of me. But we have tickets
00:24:58 Speaker 20: for sale for that. Then all
00:25:00 Speaker 20: proceeds are for the the new
00:25:02 Speaker 20: X-ray suite in the hospital. Thank
00:25:04 Speaker 20: you. Okay, thank you, and I
00:25:07 Speaker 20: think. Okay, well, I will just
00:25:09 Speaker 20: conclude with the youngest fair, which
00:25:11 Speaker 20: is only 153 years. So we
00:25:13 Speaker 20: have a lot of catching up
00:25:14 Speaker 20: to do with you. But the
00:25:15 Speaker 20: Beaver Valley Fall Fair will come
00:25:18 Speaker 20: on September 5th and 6th. Let
00:25:19 Speaker 20: me see the the Friday and
00:25:21 Speaker 20: and Saturday of that weekend, September
00:25:23 Speaker 20: 5th and 6th, I believe it
00:25:25 Speaker 20: is. And so hopefully that doesn't
00:25:27 Speaker 20: conflict. Everybody can attend all of
00:25:29 Speaker 20: them if they like, and we
00:25:31 Speaker 20: will be having that at our
00:25:32 Speaker 20: Beaver Valley Community Centre in in
00:25:37 Speaker 20: Thornbury, and of course with the
00:25:40 Speaker 20: Morro Park right next door. It's
00:25:42 Speaker 21: a great indoor/outdoor, rain or shine
00:25:45 Speaker 21: activity. We'll have lots going there,
00:25:47 Speaker 21: and expect lots of good entries
00:25:50 Speaker 21: coming into all the creative categories.
00:25:52 Speaker 21: Okay, so with that, then oh,
00:25:54 Speaker 21: well, there is one more. Then
00:25:55 Speaker 21: Councillor Eccles, I just couldn't let
00:25:57 Speaker 21: it pass the Durham Fall Fair.
00:25:58 Speaker 21: is on August twenty ninth to
00:26:00 Speaker 21: thirty first. In doing a lot
00:26:03 Speaker 21: of research, we have found that
00:26:06 Speaker 21: at least the first five years
00:26:08 Speaker 21: of the Durham Fall Fair were
00:26:11 Speaker 21: not recorded. So this is the
00:26:12 Speaker 21: one hundred and sixty fifth that's
00:26:17 Speaker 21: recorded. So we're usually about one
00:26:20 Speaker 21: hundred and seventy. So yes, we're
00:26:23 Speaker 21: taking the gold medal. We are
00:26:25 Speaker 21: the number one. Durham Fall Fair
00:26:31 Speaker 21: is on the August long weekend
00:26:33 Speaker 21: or September first long weekend. Thank
00:26:37 Speaker 21: you very. much. Very similar to
00:26:39 Speaker 21: a lot of other with the
00:26:44 Speaker 22: horse show in-house activities and whatnot,
00:26:47 Speaker 22: but the Friday, Saturday, and Sunday
00:26:49 Speaker 22: activities there. So come to what
00:26:53 Speaker 22: we understand to be the longest-running
00:26:55 Speaker 22: fall fair in Gray County. Oh,
00:26:58 Speaker 22: okay. And now I see the
00:27:02 Speaker 22: deputy warden has raised his hand.
00:27:06 Speaker 22: Thank you, Madam Warden. I think
00:27:08 Speaker 22: it's fair to say that Dundalk
00:27:09 Speaker 23: is 168 years, but the first
00:27:13 Speaker 23: 10 years of that fair were
00:27:15 Speaker 23: not recorded. So, the weekend after
00:27:16 Speaker 23: Labour Day, come on down to
00:27:19 Speaker 23: Dundalk and enjoy the fair. It's
00:27:20 Speaker 23: been there a long time—a fairly
00:27:22 Speaker 23: long time. Thank you very much,
00:27:24 Speaker 23: and I suppose if we were
00:27:26 Speaker 23: able to speak to Clark the
00:27:28 Speaker 23: pig from Clarksville, he he might
00:27:29 Speaker 23: challenge how early things were starting
00:27:30 Speaker 23: ahead of the Beaver Valley Fall
00:27:34 Speaker 23: Fair over in what was Collingwood
00:27:36 Speaker 23: Township at the time. So what
00:27:37 Speaker 23: I can say is, wow, look
00:27:39 Speaker 23: at the impact that agriculture has
00:27:41 Speaker 23: had on the tradition and the
00:27:44 Speaker 23: years and the decades and hundreds
00:27:46 Speaker 23: of years that makes up the
00:27:47 Speaker 23: very fabric of who we are
00:27:49 Speaker 24: in Gray County. So with that.
00:28:02 Speaker 24: I will call a motion to
00:28:03 Speaker 24: adjourn. May I have a mover?
00:28:05 Speaker 25: Thank you, Councillor Debrine. Seconded by
00:28:07 Speaker 25: Councillor Kevany. Any discussion? All those
00:28:08 Speaker 25: in favour? And that motion is
00:28:10 Speaker 25: carried. We will now carry on.
00:28:13 Speaker 25: Give a few moments to switch
00:28:15 Speaker 25: over the technology before our committee
00:28:19 Speaker 25: of the whole. Okay. Thank you
00:28:22 Speaker 25: very much. I'd now like to
00:28:24 Speaker 25: call to order this committee. The
00:28:26 Speaker 25: whole meeting of August Fourteenth, Twenty
00:28:27 Speaker 25: Twenty Five. At this point in
00:28:29 Speaker 25: time, I'll ask if there are
00:28:30 Speaker 25: any declarations of interest. Seeing none,
00:28:33 Speaker 25: we will move through business arising
00:28:36 Speaker 25: from the minutes. Seeing nothing, we
00:28:38 Speaker 25: will go. Then we have we
00:28:40 Speaker 26: have three different delegations under Section
4 Delegations
Ms. Loft of Loft Planning Inc. presented on behalf of Beacom Incorporated to request an Official Plan Amendment redesignating rural lands for an event venue with up to 95 guests. The proposal includes wellness retreats and gatherings operating Friday through Sunday until 11:30 PM, utilising existing structures like a hall and pool within a 30-metre wetland setback. A resident opposed the development citing noise pollution, traffic issues, ecological damage, and non-compliance with rural density standards.
00:28:52 Speaker 26: Four, so we're going to each
00:28:53 Speaker 26: one will be shared virtually. So
00:28:56 Speaker 26: we will go to the screen.
00:28:59 Speaker 26: To first of all, we'll call
00:29:01 Speaker 26: upon Ms. Cassidy. Call upon Miss
00:29:02 Speaker 26: Cassidy, who will be presenting with
00:29:04 Speaker 25: regards to BECOM, and I believe
00:29:06 Speaker 25: the clerks will bring her online
00:29:08 Speaker 25: so we can all have a
00:29:08 Speaker 25: look on our screens. Sorry. Good
00:29:10 Speaker 25: morning. I'm just going to get
00:29:12 Speaker 25: my video up here. Good morning,
00:29:14 Speaker 25: Miss Cassidy. Good morning, everyone. can
00:29:17 Speaker 25: hear and see me. Yes, we
00:29:18 Speaker 25: can. And as you know, you
00:29:19 Speaker 25: have ten minutes to make your
00:29:22 Speaker 25: deputation. At that point, at your
00:29:24 Speaker 25: conclusion, I'll look around the room
00:29:25 Speaker 25: and see if we have any
00:29:30 Speaker 25: questions for you. So you have
00:29:32 Speaker 25: the floor. Okay. Thank you. Good
00:29:33 Speaker 25: morning. Good morning, Madam Warden, and
00:29:35 Speaker 25: respected members of Council. Thank you
00:29:37 Speaker 25: for taking the time to read
00:29:39 Speaker 25: and consider all the feedback from
00:29:40 Speaker 25: surrounding neighbours. Those who will have
00:29:43 Speaker 27: to live with this development, if
00:29:46 Speaker 27: allowed to proceed, and those who
00:29:47 Speaker 27: clearly oppose. I'm here speaking not
00:29:49 Speaker 27: only on my behalf and my
00:29:51 Speaker 27: family's behalf, but on theirs as
00:29:54 Speaker 27: well. I hope you have all
00:29:56 Speaker 27: had a chance to read and
00:29:57 Speaker 27: review the many letters submitted that
00:29:59 Speaker 27: were not included in the staff
00:30:01 Speaker 27: report. You have read many concerns
00:30:04 Speaker 27: about noise, traffic, environment, and concerns
00:30:07 Speaker 27: of who will be able to
00:30:09 Speaker 27: police these events and ensure they
00:30:13 Speaker 27: are operating as stated, especially late
00:30:15 Speaker 27: into the evening. What this comes
00:30:18 Speaker 27: down to, with respect to this
00:30:21 Speaker 27: meeting. is whether it is appropriate
00:30:23 Speaker 27: place for this type of growth
00:30:28 Speaker 27: and development under the Planning Act.
00:30:29 Speaker 27: Based on everything you have
00:30:31 Speaker 27: heard and read, having a 365
00:30:34 Speaker 27: day event venue, essentially mainly for
00:30:36 Speaker 27: weddings, and amplified music, and extended
00:30:38 Speaker 27: noise times right next door to
00:30:40 Speaker 27: residential houses makes this area entirely
00:30:42 Speaker 27: not the right place. The municipality
00:30:45 Speaker 27: of Grey Highlands just voted against
00:30:46 Speaker 27: this on June 18th. To summarise,
00:30:48 Speaker 27: this site is not surrounded by
00:30:52 Speaker 27: farmland. It's surrounded by residential properties.
00:30:55 Speaker 27: People live here and conduct their
00:30:57 Speaker 27: lives here. A simple Google search
00:30:59 Speaker 27: turns up eight homes within a
00:31:01 Speaker 27: few hundred metres of this proposed
00:31:03 Speaker 27: site, and many more within a
00:31:05 Speaker 27: kilometre. Please consider if any of
00:31:07 Speaker 27: you would be okay with having
00:31:10 Speaker 27: this right beside your home, and
00:31:12 Speaker 27: please vote accordingly. Noise studies. Noise
00:31:14 Speaker 27: studies are incomplete. The tests completed
00:31:16 Speaker 27: are simulated and not an actual
00:31:18 Speaker 27: representation of how noise will travel.
00:31:20 Speaker 27: To do this, the company that
00:31:24 Speaker 27: did the study would have had
00:31:26 Speaker 27: to have set up smart sorry
00:31:28 Speaker 27: smart microphones to monitor the sound
00:31:32 Speaker 27: on neighbouring properties. To my knowledge,
00:31:34 Speaker 27: this was not done. I can
00:31:36 Speaker 27: say this with confidence because my
00:31:40 Speaker 27: husband is has a sound engineering
00:31:43 Speaker 27: degree, and we own an audio
00:31:46 Speaker 27: production company and often have to
00:31:48 Speaker 27: monitor sound levels at events. A
00:31:50 Speaker 27: blanket change to the noise bylaw
00:31:51 Speaker 27: extended to these times is ridiculous
00:31:56 Speaker 27: and unfair to surrounding residents, and
00:32:00 Speaker 27: seems to be a contradiction to
00:32:02 Speaker 27: the eco-friendly venue that is being
00:32:05 Speaker 27: proposed. The current bylaw states that
00:32:06 Speaker 27: the loud operation of vehicle, home
00:32:09 Speaker 27: radio, stereo, or alike, at a
00:32:12 Speaker 27: level to disturb others, and can
00:32:13 Speaker 27: be heard at a loud level
00:32:15 Speaker 27: more. than fifty feet from the
00:32:16 Speaker 27: source is prohibited. There would be
00:32:19 Speaker 27: very limited employment opportunities for local
00:32:22 Speaker 27: businesses, as companies hired for events
00:32:25 Speaker 27: can be from anywhere, and will
00:32:28 Speaker 27: likely be someone that the event
00:32:30 Speaker 27: host knows and trusts. Tourism will
00:32:33 Speaker 27: not be bolstered as attendees will
00:32:37 Speaker 27: come to site, make noise and
00:32:39 Speaker 27: pollution, and leave to go to
00:32:42 Speaker 27: their homes outside of the area.
00:32:43 Speaker 27: Increased tourism. should not be considered
00:32:46 Speaker 27: in major residential areas. It should
00:32:48 Speaker 27: be directed towards city centres. There
00:32:51 Speaker 27: are two destination wedding venues within
00:32:53 Speaker 27: the immediate area, and additional ten
00:32:56 Speaker 27: within a twenty-kilometre drive of those
00:32:58 Speaker 27: seeking a natural-inspired event venue. There
00:33:00 Speaker 27: are also many Airbnb's as well
00:33:04 Speaker 27: as the Gandhi glamping across the
00:33:05 Speaker 27: street for those who are looking
00:33:08 Speaker 27: for a quiet retreat. Limiting size
00:33:12 Speaker 27: and scale is. smoke and
00:33:15 Speaker 27: mirrors. Fifty people can make just
00:33:17 Speaker 27: as much noise as ninety-five, and
00:33:19 Speaker 27: twelve occasions per year with ninety-five
00:33:21 Speaker 27: people is every weekend in the
00:33:25 Speaker 27: summer, when this would be most
00:33:27 Speaker 27: desirable. The additional trails that guests
00:33:29 Speaker 27: would be permitted to access is
00:33:31 Speaker 27: very concerning, as there's high potential
00:33:34 Speaker 27: for ecological damage under little supervision.
00:33:36 Speaker 27: Trespassing to neighbour properties, despite signage,
00:33:41 Speaker 27: will be inevitable. noting there is
00:33:45 Speaker 27: hunting in this area, and guests
00:33:48 Speaker 27: would likely be unaware of those
00:33:50 Speaker 27: rules and regulations. On-site porta potties,
00:33:53 Speaker 27: being considered for three years, should
00:33:56 Speaker 27: not be an option, and it
00:33:59 Speaker 27: is a red flag given the
00:34:02 Speaker 27: owner's history of non-compliance and unwillingness
00:34:05 Speaker 27: to consider the temporary use bylaw.
00:34:08 Speaker 27: As noted, the subject application falls
00:34:11 Speaker 27: outside of OPA twenty-three. Paul. Twenty-three
00:34:14 Speaker 27: policy. Sorry, the OPA twenty-three policy,
00:34:20 Speaker 27: and should not be considered on
00:34:22 Speaker 27: that basis. Given the amplified noise
00:34:25 Speaker 27: to be endured for extended hours,
00:34:29 Speaker 27: exceeding the maximum area, even when
00:34:32 Speaker 27: including trails, the number of guests
00:34:35 Speaker 27: allowed all year all year long,
00:34:38 Speaker 27: in a very residential area, the
00:34:42 Speaker 27: subject application is not small or
00:34:44 Speaker 27: recreational, and is no comparison. to
00:34:48 Speaker 27: OPA 23. Regarding OPA 22, the
00:34:50 Speaker 27: application states there will be 95
00:34:52 Speaker 27: people per event on a 40.76
00:34:57 Speaker 27: hectare property. This is misleading, as
00:35:00 Speaker 27: only 1.05 hectares are actually proposed
00:35:03 Speaker 27: for use. The remainder consists of
00:35:06 Speaker 27: significant woodland and wetland that will
00:35:09 Speaker 27: remain largely unused. This results in
00:35:12 Speaker 27: the actual density of over nine
00:35:15 Speaker 27: thousand and forty people per kilometre
00:35:17 Speaker 27: squared, which far exceeds the rural
00:35:19 Speaker 27: density standard of four hundred people
00:35:22 Speaker 27: per kilometre squared. Such density contradicts
00:35:24 Speaker 27: the definition of resource-based recreational use,
00:35:25 Speaker 27: and effectively reclassifies this operation as
00:35:28 Speaker 27: a commercial property. Finally, I'd like
00:35:29 Speaker 27: to reiterate: this is a rural
00:35:32 Speaker 27: residential area with many. surrounding residents
00:35:34 Speaker 27: that consists of young families, retired
00:35:37 Speaker 27: couples, and vacation homes. It is
00:35:38 Speaker 27: not the appropriate place for a
00:35:42 Speaker 27: commercial venue of this size. I'd
00:35:45 Speaker 27: like to take just another moment
00:35:46 Speaker 27: of your time to show you
00:35:50 Speaker 27: how close in proximity this proposed
00:35:54 Speaker 27: development is to my home as
00:35:56 Speaker 27: well as my neighbours. I'm currently
00:35:58 Speaker 27: standing on my neighbour's property and
00:36:00 Speaker 27: have been given permission from the
00:36:02 Speaker 27: vanrees, and I'm with well within
00:36:13 Speaker 27: their. property line, just behind this
00:36:18 Speaker 27: fence, just behind this fence behind
00:36:21 Speaker 27: me, is one of the proposed
00:36:22 Speaker 27: parking lots, cabin, tent, and cabin
00:36:24 Speaker 27: and tent camping areas. It is
00:36:26 Speaker 27: in very close proximity to my
00:36:30 Speaker 27: neighbour's front door, into our house,
00:36:35 Speaker 27: and our bedroom window, which is
00:36:41 Speaker 27: within 200 feet to the west
00:36:44 Speaker 27: behind the Van Rie residence. So
00:36:47 Speaker 27: this site currently has some yurts
00:36:49 Speaker 27: and a bathhouse that are already
00:36:51 Speaker 27: constructed. I'd like to just mention
00:36:54 Speaker 27: once more that I am within
00:36:55 Speaker 27: the property line, and I am
00:36:58 Speaker 27: not trespassing. There is a yurt
00:37:00 Speaker 27: just right here, another bathhouse here,
00:37:04 Speaker 27: and a yurt. platform just here.
00:37:06 Speaker 27: This is my neighbour's front door,
00:37:07 Speaker 27: and just beyond that, as I
00:37:09 Speaker 27: mentioned, to the west is my
00:37:12 Speaker 27: home, my husband's home, and my
00:37:14 Speaker 27: two-year-old son's home. Our bedroom window
00:37:20 Speaker 27: also faces to the east towards
00:37:22 Speaker 27: the proposed development, which is quite
00:37:24 Speaker 27: concerning to us in regards to
00:37:25 Speaker 27: the noise bylaw extension that's being
00:37:26 Speaker 28: requested. I'd like to thank you
00:37:31 Speaker 28: all for taking the time to
00:37:32 Speaker 28: listen to the concerns of this
00:37:33 Speaker 28: quiet rural residential neighbourhood, and I
00:37:36 Speaker 28: ask you to vote against this
00:37:38 Speaker 28: proposed development. Okay, thank you very
00:37:39 Speaker 28: much, Miss Cassidy. I'll just give
00:37:43 Speaker 28: you a moment to find your
00:37:48 Speaker 28: spot, and I'll look around the
00:37:50 Speaker 28: room to see if there are
00:37:53 Speaker 28: any questions. And I am not
00:37:55 Speaker 28: seeing any online or here in
00:37:56 Speaker 28: the chamber. So, thank you again
00:37:57 Speaker 28: for presenting your material for us
00:37:59 Speaker 28: this morning for our consideration. Thank
00:38:01 Speaker 28: you. Thank you so much for
00:38:04 Speaker 28: listening. Have a great day. Okay.
00:38:06 Speaker 28: Thank you. And we will now.
00:38:08 Speaker 28: Okay. So next up, we we
00:38:10 Speaker 28: do have Ms. Yanson Grieve, but
00:38:11 Speaker 28: we don't see her yet logged
00:38:12 Speaker 28: on. So what we can do
00:38:13 Speaker 28: is we can move on to
00:38:14 Speaker 28: Ms. Loft, who is presenting on
00:38:15 Speaker 28: behalf of Bcom Incorporated, and we'll.
00:38:17 Speaker 28: keep an eye out for participation
00:38:19 Speaker 28: from our third deputation. So, good
00:38:20 Speaker 28: morning, Ms. Loft. We have everybody
00:38:22 Speaker 28: here in the chamber and virtual.
00:38:25 Speaker 28: So, again, if you you will
00:38:28 Speaker 24: have ten minutes, and then at
00:38:39 Speaker 24: the end of that, I will
00:38:42 Speaker 24: take a moment to look around
00:38:44 Speaker 24: the room to see if there
00:38:46 Speaker 24: are any questions for you. You
00:38:47 Speaker 24: have the floor. Good morning. Thank
00:38:50 Speaker 24: you. So, I do have a
00:38:52 Speaker 24: PowerPoint, and I understand from staff
00:38:55 Speaker 24: that I am to present. So,
00:38:57 Speaker 24: I'll just share my screen if
00:38:59 Speaker 24: that's okay. Yes, please do. Thank
00:38:59 Speaker 24: you. Good morning to Warden Matrosovs,
00:39:01 Speaker 24: to County Council, as well as
00:39:02 Speaker 24: staff. My name is Christine Loft
00:39:06 Speaker 24: of Loft Planning Inc., and I
00:39:08 Speaker 24: am representing the landowner, Beacom Inc.
00:39:10 Speaker 24: The owners are online as well
00:39:11 Speaker 24: as in the audience today, and
00:39:13 Speaker 24: this delegation is related to official
00:39:15 Speaker 24: plan amendment twenty. Two. I am
00:39:17 Speaker 24: going to run through the slides
00:39:19 Speaker 24: fairly quickly, just because I have
00:39:21 Speaker 24: quite a few slides in ten
00:39:24 Speaker 24: minutes. So we are delegating today
00:39:27 Speaker 24: in order to provide County Council
00:39:30 Speaker 24: an overview of the proposal and
00:39:33 Speaker 24: to provide the updates that have
00:39:35 Speaker 24: been made from the original proposal
00:39:38 Speaker 24: in response to the comments received
00:39:40 Speaker 29: at the statutory public meeting, and
00:39:43 Speaker 29: ultimately to request that County Council
00:39:44 Speaker 29: approve the official plan amendment and
00:39:46 Speaker 29: and allow the daily details of
00:39:49 Speaker 29: the operations to be dealt with.
00:39:51 Speaker 29: through the implementing zoning bylaw amendment
00:39:52 Speaker 29: before the municipality of Grey Highlands.
00:39:54 Speaker 29: The property is known as four
00:39:56 Speaker 29: six six six one five twelfth
00:39:59 Speaker 29: concession B within the municipality of
00:40:01 Speaker 29: Grey Highlands. The lands are rectangularly
00:40:04 Speaker 29: shaped and located on the north
00:40:07 Speaker 29: side of the twelfth concession B.
00:40:10 Speaker 29: The lands are forty point seven
00:40:12 Speaker 29: six hectares, seven six hectares in
00:40:15 Speaker 29: lot area, with a lot frontage
00:40:17 Speaker 29: of three hundred and forty three
00:40:20 Speaker 29: metres. There are existing structures on.
00:40:22 Speaker 29: the property, including a dwelling, accessory
00:40:25 Speaker 29: and accessory structures. The lands are
00:40:26 Speaker 29: surrounded to the north by woodlands
00:40:28 Speaker 29: and agricultural lands. To the east,
00:40:30 Speaker 29: with woodlands, rural lands, and rural
00:40:36 Speaker 29: residents, rural residences. To the south
00:40:37 Speaker 29: are the are residences associated with
00:40:39 Speaker 29: Lake Eugenia, as well as extensive
00:40:42 Speaker 29: woodlands. And to the west are
00:40:45 Speaker 29: woodlands, rural lands, and a number
00:40:48 Speaker 29: of rural residences. The lands are
00:40:51 Speaker 29: reg. The lands are regulated by
00:40:54 Speaker 29: the Great Southern Conservation Authority, and
00:40:56 Speaker 29: specifically, the area at the front
00:40:57 Speaker 29: of the property, which we're proposing
00:40:59 Speaker 29: to redesignate, are regulated. With respect
00:41:01 Speaker 29: to the proposed venue use and
00:41:03 Speaker 29: accommodation use, there would be a
00:41:05 Speaker 29: proposed maximum of ninety-five guests permitted
00:41:07 Speaker 29: on site at any event. The
00:41:10 Speaker 29: proposed zoned and designated area is
00:41:13 Speaker 29: limited in area, and the proposed
00:41:15 Speaker 29: zoning would build upon. existing zoning
00:41:17 Speaker 29: by way of Exception Zero Four
00:41:19 Speaker 29: Three, which I'll speak about, and
00:41:21 Speaker 29: I know staff spoke about in
00:41:23 Speaker 29: their staff report as well. And
00:41:26 Speaker 29: so there are existing permissions on
00:41:27 Speaker 29: site for a health spa and
00:41:30 Speaker 29: for four trailer campsites as well
00:41:31 Speaker 29: as the dwelling. The lands are
00:41:34 Speaker 29: designated rural, wetland, and hazard. And
00:41:36 Speaker 29: the purpose of the official plan
00:41:38 Speaker 29: amendment is to amend Schedule A
00:41:43 Speaker 29: and to change the designation of
00:41:45 Speaker 29: the subject lands from. on a
00:41:47 Speaker 29: portion of the property from
00:41:50 Speaker 29: rural to the rural site specific
00:41:52 Speaker 29: designation, and as you will hear
00:41:54 Speaker 29: within the county staff report, the
00:41:58 Speaker 29: specific policy area will be limited
00:42:02 Speaker 29: to one point zero five hectares,
00:42:03 Speaker 29: and the site specific policy will
00:42:06 Speaker 29: permit an additional permitted
00:42:08 Speaker 29: use being an event venue. The
00:42:12 Speaker 29: county official plan provides that the
00:42:13 Speaker 29: rural areas will permit will permit
00:42:15 Speaker 29: the consideration of resource based recreational.
00:42:17 Speaker 29: Resource-based recreational uses and other appropriate
00:42:19 Speaker 29: rural land uses, so long as
00:42:21 Speaker 29: they do not impact agriculture, forestry,
00:42:23 Speaker 29: aggregate extraction, or the natural environment.
00:42:25 Speaker 29: And the official plan also provides
00:42:27 Speaker 29: that the rural land use type
00:42:30 Speaker 29: offers flexibility for law creation, economic
00:42:33 Speaker 29: development, tourism, residential, and recreation. And
00:42:36 Speaker 29: it also provides that while there
00:42:39 Speaker 29: is greater flexibility in the rural
00:42:42 Speaker 29: land use type, farming and resource
00:42:44 Speaker 29: uses are still to. be given
00:42:47 Speaker 29: priority for protection, and I would
00:42:49 Speaker 29: just provide that I've provided a
00:42:50 Speaker 29: planning report as well as an
00:42:51 Speaker 29: addendum, and certainly all of the
00:42:54 Speaker 29: policies within the rural designation have
00:42:55 Speaker 29: been provided in those reports and
00:42:57 Speaker 29: provide opinions with respect to the
00:42:58 Speaker 29: site plan. So this is a
00:43:00 Speaker 29: conceptual conceptual overview, and I've zoomed
00:43:01 Speaker 29: in just on the area that,
00:43:03 Speaker 29: in part, is proposed to be
00:43:07 Speaker 29: redesigned. Is proposed to be redesignated.
00:43:08 Speaker 29: So starting at the front lot
00:43:10 Speaker 29: line, and I guess because I'm
00:43:12 Speaker 29: presenting, I can sort of point.
00:43:13 Speaker 29: But the end at the at
00:43:15 Speaker 29: the front of the lot, of
00:43:17 Speaker 29: course, is the main entrance. And
00:43:20 Speaker 29: from the main entrance in is
00:43:22 Speaker 29: the existing residence, which is in
00:43:23 Speaker 29: on the left hand side and
00:43:27 Speaker 29: is in red. Moving down is
00:43:30 Speaker 29: a small parking area in yellow
00:43:32 Speaker 29: and labelled as parking. There is
00:43:34 Speaker 29: the hall, which is the proposed
00:43:38 Speaker 29: area as the event venue, and
00:43:41 Speaker 29: I'll show you photos in a
00:43:44 Speaker 29: minute. There is an existing pool
00:43:45 Speaker 29: on site. This purple area is
00:43:47 Speaker 29: the proposed septic system, and while
00:43:49 Speaker 29: this is conceptual, we have had
00:43:52 Speaker 29: Capes Engineering size it, so we
00:43:58 Speaker 29: expect that that shape and size
00:43:59 Speaker 29: is accurate. And then a parking
00:44:02 Speaker 29: area. There is the cabin tent
00:44:06 Speaker 29: area, and we've sort of shown
00:44:07 Speaker 29: in green the proposed tent sites,
00:44:10 Speaker 29: and as well as some additional
00:44:12 Speaker 29: parking to. Towards a little closer
00:44:14 Speaker 29: to the back of the property
00:44:15 Speaker 29: and a back of this designated
00:44:18 Speaker 29: area, and I would just note
00:44:21 Speaker 29: that this dark blue hashed line
00:44:24 Speaker 29: is actually the thirty-metre setback from
00:44:25 Speaker 29: the wetland and the hazard lands
00:44:28 Speaker 29: as identified within the environmental impact
00:44:32 Speaker 29: study. I have a few quick
00:44:34 Speaker 29: slides to show. So this is
00:44:37 Speaker 29: just a photo from the entrance,
00:44:39 Speaker 29: looking into the site and. you
00:44:41 Speaker 29: can see the existing house on
00:44:44 Speaker 29: the left. You can see the
00:44:47 Speaker 29: hall in the foreground, and then
00:44:49 Speaker 29: the pool is actually just beside
00:44:52 Speaker 29: the hall area. Two photos of,
00:44:53 Speaker 29: and you just saw them on
00:44:57 Speaker 29: the previous delegation. But there are
00:44:58 Speaker 29: existing platforms and yurts on site
00:45:01 Speaker 29: as part of the existing approvals
00:45:02 Speaker 29: of the site. This is actually
00:45:05 Speaker 29: a photo of the hall on
00:45:06 Speaker 29: the. left, a visual, and then
00:45:09 Speaker 29: an interior shot on the right-hand
00:45:11 Speaker 29: side. And then on the left,
00:45:15 Speaker 29: just a small area showing where
00:45:17 Speaker 29: wedding vows would be held, and
00:45:19 Speaker 29: on the right, just a photo
00:45:22 Speaker 29: of the pond area. This is
00:45:24 Speaker 29: the existing dwelling, and there are
00:45:26 Speaker 29: existing permissions in the zoning for
00:45:27 Speaker 29: a health spa as well as
00:45:29 Speaker 29: accommodation within that existing dwelling, and
00:45:32 Speaker 29: then a fire pit which exists
00:45:34 Speaker 29: today and just located. just in
00:45:37 Speaker 29: close proximity to the existing house.
00:45:41 Speaker 29: What is before County Council today
00:45:43 Speaker 29: is the official plan amendment. However,
00:45:45 Speaker 29: we are asking Council to approve
00:45:47 Speaker 29: the official plan amendment based on
00:45:48 Speaker 29: the details being provided within
00:45:51 Speaker 29: the implementing zoning bylaw. So, I
00:45:54 Speaker 29: just wanted to provide an overview
00:45:58 Speaker 29: of those details. So, the zoning
00:46:01 Speaker 29: bylaw does include a specific special
00:46:02 Speaker 29: events definition. Pardon me, as the
00:46:06 Speaker 29: zoning bylaw currently does not include.
00:46:08 Speaker 29: a definition. So the definition before
00:46:10 Speaker 29: before municipal council will be special
00:46:12 Speaker 29: events shall include the holding of
00:46:14 Speaker 29: an assembly of assembly of persons
00:46:17 Speaker 29: for the purpose of health and
00:46:19 Speaker 29: wellness retreats, educational events, corporate or
00:46:22 Speaker 29: business retreats, weddings, and other similar
00:46:24 Speaker 29: gatherings. And in terms of general
00:46:28 Speaker 29: provisions, total maximum number of guests
00:46:30 Speaker 29: on site at any given time:
00:46:32 Speaker 29: ninety-five persons per event. for twelve
00:46:34 Speaker 29: events a year, and a total
00:46:36 Speaker 29: maximum number of guests on site
00:46:37 Speaker 29: at any given time being for
00:46:40 Speaker 29: fifty persons, which would be unlimited
00:46:42 Speaker 29: number of events per year. Um,
00:46:46 Speaker 29: events could be held then January
00:46:50 Speaker 29: one through December thirty first, so
00:46:52 Speaker 29: all year annually, and then operations,
00:46:54 Speaker 29: um, Friday to Sunday events ending
00:46:56 Speaker 29: at eleven thirty p.m. and weekday
00:46:59 Speaker 29: hours of operations Monday through Thursday
00:47:01 Speaker 29: ending at eleven p.m. Ending at
00:47:02 Speaker 29: 11 p.m. So I have highlighted
00:47:05 Speaker 29: these in red because these have
00:47:08 Speaker 29: been changes that have been made
00:47:11 Speaker 29: since the initial submission in response
00:47:14 Speaker 29: to comments received at the public
00:47:16 Speaker 29: meeting. And with respect to on-site
00:47:18 Speaker 29: accommodation, there's a maximum of five
00:47:21 Speaker 29: guest cabins and a maximum of
00:47:24 Speaker 29: seven guest tents proposed, which just
00:47:27 Speaker 29: in terms of persons would be
00:47:28 Speaker 29: 34 guests. And then guest accommodation
00:47:30 Speaker 29: is 16 guests, and that is
00:47:32 Speaker 29: within the existing. house, and there
00:47:34 Speaker 29: are existing approvals for guests within
00:47:37 Speaker 29: that existing house. A number of
00:47:39 Speaker 29: technical reports have been completed, planning
00:47:41 Speaker 29: report as well as the draft
00:47:42 Speaker 29: amendments provided, and we provided addendum
00:47:45 Speaker 29: reports, a servicing report, an environmental
00:47:47 Speaker 29: impact study, a noise assessment has
00:47:49 Speaker 29: also been completed and has been
00:47:53 Speaker 29: peer reviewed. And while I won't
00:47:57 Speaker 29: go through the details of the
00:47:59 Speaker 29: technical studies, I did. just want
00:48:02 Speaker 29: to provide that again. The lands
00:48:04 Speaker 29: are regulated by the Conservation Authority.
00:48:05 Speaker 29: The Conservation Authority did review the
00:48:08 Speaker 29: environmental impact study and did provide
00:48:10 Speaker 29: comments on May twenty one, two
00:48:12 Speaker 29: thousand and twenty four. That the
00:48:15 Speaker 29: Conservation Authority has no objections to
00:48:17 Speaker 29: the proposal for the described zoning
00:48:20 Speaker 29: bylaw amendment application or the associated
00:48:23 Speaker 29: development. A noise assessment was completed,
00:48:26 Speaker 29: and the county actually had the
00:48:29 Speaker 29: noise assessment. peer reviewed on and
00:48:31 Speaker 29: on October twenty second two thousand
00:48:34 Speaker 29: and twenty four the peer review
00:48:36 Speaker 29: was completed and concluded that the
00:48:38 Speaker 29: proposed venue can be compatible. They
00:48:40 Speaker 29: did provide recommendations and we would
00:48:43 Speaker 29: agree that these recommendations are included
00:48:45 Speaker 29: within a site plan agreement, which
00:48:48 Speaker 29: of course would be typical. And
00:48:51 Speaker 29: it is proposed that and and
00:48:54 Speaker 29: the noise assessment did include this
00:48:57 Speaker 29: that an administration policy and management
00:49:00 Speaker 29: plan be. implemented by the land
00:49:04 Speaker 29: owner, and we actually have provided
00:49:06 Speaker 29: staff with a draft of what
00:49:08 Speaker 29: that policy would look like. A
00:49:10 Speaker 29: number of other considerations, of course,
00:49:13 Speaker 29: were made: traffic and traffic movements.
00:49:16 Speaker 29: There, a traffic impact study was
00:49:18 Speaker 29: not required as an as the
00:49:22 Speaker 29: anticipated traffic volumes are reasonable and
00:49:25 Speaker 29: serviceable by the existing road network.
00:49:26 Speaker 29: Refuse will be stored appropriately, covered
00:49:28 Speaker 29: on site. and within designated areas,
00:49:30 Speaker 29: an operational agreement would be provided
00:49:32 Speaker 29: to each organiser of events and
00:49:34 Speaker 29: would be mutually signed so they're
00:49:37 Speaker 29: aware of the rules and the
00:49:39 Speaker 29: limitations on site. And there will
00:49:42 Speaker 29: be on-site staffing at all times
00:49:44 Speaker 29: during event, representing the landowner and
00:49:46 Speaker 29: ensuring that the rules and regulations
00:49:48 Speaker 29: are met. Those are those are
00:49:51 Speaker 29: my those are my points. Those
00:49:54 Speaker 29: are my those are my comments,
00:49:57 Speaker 29: and on behalf of the owners
00:49:59 Speaker 29: of B Com Inc., we would
00:50:01 Speaker 29: ask the County Council approve the
00:50:02 Speaker 29: proposed official plan amendment before you.
00:50:05 Speaker 29: B Com wishes to establish and
00:50:08 Speaker 29: operate a successful and meaningful business
00:50:10 Speaker 29: that benefits both the municipality and
00:50:13 Speaker 29: the county. We have appreciated all
00:50:17 Speaker 29: of the work that municipal staff
00:50:19 Speaker 29: and county staff have put into
00:50:21 Speaker 29: this, and a lot of hours
00:50:26 Speaker 29: and time have been spent listening
00:50:28 Speaker 29: to the consideration. that we did
00:50:31 Speaker 30: here at the public meeting and
00:50:36 Speaker 30: following the public meeting, additional ratepayer
00:50:38 Speaker 30: comments. So we do feel that
00:50:40 Speaker 30: we we have listened to the
00:50:41 Speaker 30: comments. We've made significant changes to
00:50:43 Speaker 30: the proposal and feel that all
00:50:46 Speaker 30: of the recommendations provided within the
00:50:47 Speaker 30: technical reports can certainly be implemented
00:50:49 Speaker 10: through the zoning bylaw amendment through
00:50:51 Speaker 10: a site plan agreement. We are
00:50:53 Speaker 10: proposing a holding provision on the
00:50:54 Speaker 10: zoning. before municipal council, with regard
00:50:55 Speaker 10: to entering into a site plan
00:50:58 Speaker 10: agreement, and those are my comments.
00:51:06 Speaker 29: Okay, thank you very much, Miss
00:51:10 Speaker 29: Lovd. At this point in time,
00:51:12 Speaker 29: I will look around the chamber
00:51:14 Speaker 29: to see if there are any
00:51:16 Speaker 29: questions from council members. I'm going
00:51:19 Speaker 29: to go to Councillor Nielsen. Thank
00:51:23 Speaker 29: you very much, Warden. Just one
00:51:25 Speaker 29: question for clarity regarding the number
00:51:26 Speaker 29: of people's on site. Of persons
00:51:30 Speaker 29: on site, the 95 is the
00:51:33 Speaker 29: guests, and I'm just assuming that
00:51:35 Speaker 29: that does not include the number
00:51:37 Speaker 29: of staff that will require the
00:51:39 Speaker 29: band itself, event coordinators, and organisations.
00:51:40 Speaker 29: Thank you through you through you
00:51:41 Speaker 29: to the counselors. So the 95
00:51:44 Speaker 29: persons it includes guests, so that
00:51:45 Speaker 29: would include anyone staying anyone at
00:51:47 Speaker 29: the event and anyone staying overnight.
00:51:50 Speaker 29: It's it's a it's a total
00:51:57 Speaker 29: number of persons on site as
00:52:01 Speaker 31: part of the event. You are
00:52:03 Speaker 31: correct; it obviously does not include
00:52:04 Speaker 31: a person that's there overseeing the
00:52:09 Speaker 31: event or band members, which I
00:52:13 Speaker 31: would expect to be fairly minimal.
00:52:15 Speaker 31: But I think it's a good
00:52:17 Speaker 29: question, and it was—I know it
00:52:20 Speaker 29: was raised at municipal council, and
00:52:24 Speaker 29: I didn't have a chance to
00:52:26 Speaker 29: answer that day. But it is
00:52:28 Speaker 29: the total number of people that
00:52:32 Speaker 29: would be on site at the
00:52:35 Speaker 29: event. including those staying overnight. Thank
00:52:38 Speaker 29: you. Okay, it will go over
00:52:40 Speaker 29: to Councillor McKay. Yes, thank you.
00:52:42 Speaker 29: Through you, Warden. Sounds to me
00:52:44 Speaker 29: like was there a business there
00:52:47 Speaker 29: at one time. That's my only
00:52:49 Speaker 29: question. Ms. Loft, thank you. Through
00:52:54 Speaker 29: you to the councillor. So there
00:52:56 Speaker 32: are there are. existing zoning permissions
00:53:01 Speaker 32: on site that include a wellness
00:53:03 Speaker 32: facility within the existing house. It
00:53:06 Speaker 32: also did allow for overnight accommodation
00:53:08 Speaker 21: within the house, and it also
00:53:12 Speaker 21: included limited tent and trailer permissions
00:53:13 Speaker 21: on site. I'm not actually sure
00:53:14 Speaker 21: the extent of those operations, but
00:53:19 Speaker 21: certainly those are the permissions that
00:53:22 Speaker 21: are on site. I have been
00:53:23 Speaker 21: on site, and certainly those. portions
00:53:27 Speaker 21: exist, and and the house internally
00:53:31 Speaker 21: was certainly set up for a
00:53:33 Speaker 21: wellness centre. Thank you. Okay, I'll
00:53:34 Speaker 21: look around the room, and I'll
00:53:39 Speaker 21: go to Councillor Eccles. Thank you,
00:53:41 Speaker 29: and thank you for the presentation,
00:53:44 Speaker 29: Miss Loff. A couple of questions.
00:53:46 Speaker 29: One of them is on the
00:53:47 Speaker 29: 30 metre wetland setback. I can't
00:53:50 Speaker 29: tell you what page that's on.
00:53:53 Speaker 29: but it had the parking, the
00:53:54 Speaker 29: hall, the pool, the coloured one,
00:53:56 Speaker 29: and it's the blue line. It's
00:53:58 Speaker 29: a 30-metre setback, but it goes
00:53:59 Speaker 29: right through the pond area.
00:54:02 Speaker 29: I'm, I'm slightly confused on. We've
00:54:06 Speaker 29: got a setback from the, but
00:54:14 Speaker 29: it's right in the middle of
00:54:15 Speaker 29: the pond. Any explanation on that?
00:54:16 Speaker 29: Ms. Loft. Thank you. Thank you.
00:54:20 Speaker 29: Through the. chair to County Councillor
00:54:23 Speaker 29: Eccles. So the third, so first
00:54:24 Speaker 29: of all, we are meeting all
00:54:29 Speaker 33: of the setbacks to the wetland
00:54:32 Speaker 33: designation, and so if the
00:54:36 Speaker 33: wetland designate the wetland designation, I'd
00:54:39 Speaker 33: have to pull up the mapping,
00:54:41 Speaker 33: but it doesn't necessarily include the
00:54:46 Speaker 33: pond area. The pond area is
00:54:47 Speaker 33: likely within the conservation authority designate
00:54:50 Speaker 33: zones considered hazard. So we are
00:54:52 Speaker 33: meeting the requirements of the wetland
00:54:56 Speaker 33: designation. Okay, and I'll look around
00:54:58 Speaker 33: to see if there are any
00:55:02 Speaker 29: other questions. Oh, the follow-up from
00:55:05 Speaker 29: Councillor Eccles. Thank you. Yeah, I
00:55:08 Speaker 29: guess maybe the pond is not
00:55:12 Speaker 29: considered the wetland; it's just considered
00:55:14 Speaker 29: wet. My second question was somewhat
00:55:17 Speaker 29: similar to Councillor Nielsen's: ninety-five people
00:55:20 Speaker 29: or ninety-five guests on site for.
00:55:22 Speaker 29: twelve times a year, fifty people
00:55:26 Speaker 29: on site at any time, three
00:55:28 Speaker 29: hundred and sixty-five. I guess we
00:55:29 Speaker 29: could have that. So those twelve
00:55:32 Speaker 29: times of the year are those
00:55:33 Speaker 29: ninety-five in addition to the fifty,
00:55:35 Speaker 29: making it one forty-five for twelve
00:55:36 Speaker 29: times a year. Miss Lott, thank
00:55:38 Speaker 29: you, thank you. Through the chair
00:55:39 Speaker 29: to Councillor Eccles. So we. are
00:55:42 Speaker 29: proposing. So originally, the proposal was
00:55:45 Speaker 29: for 95 persons per event. But
00:55:46 Speaker 29: in listening to the comments received,
00:55:51 Speaker 29: it was decided by the landowners
00:55:54 Speaker 29: that really 12 events per year
00:55:56 Speaker 29: at the 95 persons was was
00:55:58 Speaker 29: reasonable in terms of the operations.
00:56:00 Speaker 29: They they certainly do not expect
00:56:01 Speaker 29: to have multiple events of that
00:56:04 Speaker 29: size a week, and that if
00:56:05 Speaker 29: you were holding an event of
00:56:08 Speaker 29: that size, then people. would want
00:56:11 Speaker 29: to be there the day before
00:56:14 Speaker 29: to set up and the day
00:56:19 Speaker 29: after to tear down, and and
00:56:22 Speaker 29: so it's certainly reasonable that there
00:56:25 Speaker 29: only be twelve events a year
00:56:28 Speaker 29: at the ninety-five persons, and with
00:56:30 Speaker 29: respect to the fifty persons, that
00:56:32 Speaker 29: would so it it the intent
00:56:35 Speaker 29: would be that those fifty persons
00:56:36 Speaker 29: would be it's obviously a much
00:56:38 Speaker 29: smaller event that it would be
00:56:42 Speaker 29: held in the hall, and that
00:56:45 Speaker 29: those may be through. Those may
00:56:47 Speaker 29: be throughout the year, so they
00:56:49 Speaker 29: could be within inclement weather, because
00:56:54 Speaker 29: the the event would be held
00:56:55 Speaker 34: within the hall only and limited
00:56:58 Speaker 34: to fifty persons per event. So,
00:56:59 Speaker 34: if like basically only twelve events
00:57:01 Speaker 34: a year can be at the
00:57:03 Speaker 34: ninety-five persons on site at any
00:57:06 Speaker 22: given time, should the owner wish
00:57:09 Speaker 22: to have within the same week
00:57:11 Speaker 22: a fifty event, a fifty persons
00:57:14 Speaker 22: event. They could do that, say
00:57:16 Speaker 29: on a Tuesday or Wednesday, a
00:57:19 Speaker 29: corporate retreat, a birthday party, a
00:57:26 Speaker 29: wedding shower. So, so there could
00:57:28 Speaker 28: be multiple events a year. However,
00:57:31 Speaker 28: the ninety-five persons per event would
00:57:34 Speaker 28: be limited to twelve. Okay, thank
00:57:37 Speaker 28: you. I have a question from
00:57:39 Speaker 28: the deputy warden. Thank you, Madam
00:57:43 Speaker 28: Warden, and thank you, Miss Law,
00:57:44 Speaker 28: for the presentation. How did you,
00:57:45 Speaker 28: or how did the proponent, come
00:57:46 Speaker 28: to the number of ninety-five? Like,
00:57:48 Speaker 28: not ninety-four, not ninety-six, ninety-five. How
00:57:51 Speaker 28: did you come to that one?
00:57:52 Speaker 28: Please. Thank you, Miss Lott. Thank
00:57:55 Speaker 28: you. Through the chair
00:57:57 Speaker 28: to the county councillor. It is
00:57:59 Speaker 28: the occupancy of the hall. Okay.
00:58:01 Speaker 28: Thank you. I'll look around for
00:58:03 Speaker 28: any further questions. Not seeing any
00:58:05 Speaker 28: here. We'll go to that's Madam
00:58:12 Speaker 28: Clerk. That's not Councillor Bourdonal's hand,
00:58:18 Speaker 12: right? That's just the cursor. Yeah.
00:58:21 Speaker 12: Okay. All right. Okay. So it
00:58:22 Speaker 24: looks like we've come to the
00:58:38 Speaker 35: conclusion of the questions for you,
00:58:44 Speaker 35: Ms. Loff. Thank you very much
00:58:46 Speaker 35: for presenting and for sharing your
00:58:47 Speaker 35: materials. Thank you for your time.
00:58:50 Speaker 35: Okay. Thank you. So with that,
00:58:51 Speaker 35: then we will move on to
5 Determination of Items Requiring Separate Discussion
A speaker requested a five-minute break to coordinate process questions regarding items six D and E before returning to determine which of the five listed items require separate discussion from the consent agenda.
00:58:52 Speaker 35: items to determine requiring separate discussion,
01:05:20 Speaker 35: listed in section. six. We have
01:05:22 Speaker 35: five different items. Are there any
01:05:24 Speaker 35: items there that any county council
01:08:16 Speaker 35: members wish to pull? We'll go
01:08:17 Speaker 35: to councillor body. I'd like to
01:08:20 Speaker 35: discuss six D and E separately.
01:08:22 Speaker 35: We'll be passing and supporting, but
01:08:23 Speaker 35: just think they need to be
01:08:26 Speaker 35: highlighted. Thanks. Sorry, I'm just
01:08:28 Speaker 35: getting some messages there. Sorry, could
01:08:32 Speaker 35: we just take a five-minute break,
01:08:34 Speaker 35: please? We just need a chance
01:08:35 Speaker 35: to coordinate some some process questions
01:08:37 Speaker 35: that are coming across the table
01:08:39 Speaker 35: here. So we'll just take a
01:08:41 Speaker 35: brief five-minute break, please. If I
01:08:43 Speaker 35: can invite all the county members,
01:08:45 Speaker 35: county committee, the whole members back
01:08:46 Speaker 35: to their table, thank you. Okay,
01:08:48 Speaker 35: thank you very much, Committee. The
01:08:51 Speaker 35: whole members, we sorted our our
01:08:53 Speaker 35: questions here at the table out,
01:08:54 Speaker 35: and I'd like to be be
01:08:57 Speaker 35: able to begin again then with.
01:08:59 Speaker 35: item number five, determination of items
01:09:01 Speaker 35: requiring separate discussions. So, Councillor Body.
01:09:02 Speaker 35: Yeah, the questions that I had
01:09:04 Speaker 35: actually are pretty simple, and I
01:09:06 Speaker 35: got they got answered just in
01:09:09 Speaker 35: the break there. So I don't
01:09:11 Speaker 35: need to have those pulled from
01:09:12 Speaker 35: the consent. Thank you. Okay, thank
01:09:13 Speaker 35: you. Are there any other items
01:09:15 Speaker 35: through A through E that wish
01:09:18 Speaker 35: to be pulled that the committee,
01:09:21 Speaker 35: the whole members wish to pull?
01:09:25 Speaker 35: Okay, so seeing none then, and
01:09:27 Speaker 35: then I will then put out.
6 Consent Agenda
A motion was moved to receive consent agenda items, authorise staff actions, and support correspondence for information as recommended. The motion was seconded and carried by the body.
01:09:30 Speaker 35: the recommendation is that the following
01:09:35 Speaker 35: consent agenda consent agenda items be
01:09:37 Speaker 35: received, and that staff be authorised
01:09:38 Speaker 35: to take actions necessary to give
01:09:40 Speaker 35: effect to the recommendations in the
01:09:41 Speaker 35: staff reports, and that course that
01:09:43 Speaker 35: the correspondence be supported or received
01:09:44 Speaker 35: for information as recommended in the
01:09:47 Speaker 35: consent agenda. So with that, I'll
01:09:50 Speaker 35: look for a mover and a
01:09:51 Speaker 35: seconder, moved by Councillor Carleton, seconded
01:09:54 Speaker 35: by Councillor Dobrin. Any discussion? All
01:09:56 Speaker 35: those in favour? And that motion
01:10:01 Speaker 35: is carried. Thank you. Okay, so
01:10:04 Speaker 35: that allows us to move on
01:10:07 Speaker 35: to items for separate discussion, and
01:10:09 Speaker 35: we have we have six seven.
01:10:12 Speaker 35: We have a number of different
01:10:16 Speaker 35: items here, so we are going
7.a 42-08-180-OPA-22 Beacalm Inc. (Highland Estate) PDR-CW-52-25
County Council considered an Official Plan Amendment for Bcom Inc.'s Highland Estate proposal to create a special events venue with guest accommodations. Staff recommended approval subject to mitigations including noise controls and a temporary deferral of septic system installation, though concerns regarding First Nations engagement and zoning exceptions were raised. A motion supporting the amendment failed on a vote, leading Council to pass a procedural motion formally directing the refusal of the Official Plan Amendment.
01:10:20 Speaker 35: to begin with item seven A,
01:10:22 Speaker 35: just to get it onto the
01:10:24 Speaker 35: floor. Then I will look for
01:10:26 Speaker 35: if there's a mover and a
01:10:28 Speaker 35: seconder for the recommended motion that
01:10:30 Speaker 35: report PDRCW fifty two twenty five
01:10:35 Speaker 35: regarding OPA twenty two B. OPA
01:10:38 Speaker 35: 22 Bcom Inc Highland Estate be
01:10:39 Speaker 35: received, and that the official plan
01:10:40 Speaker 35: amendment 4208180 OPA 22 OPA 22
01:10:42 Speaker 35: Bcom Inc, also known as Highland
01:10:45 Speaker 35: Estate, which proposes a site-specific exception
01:10:52 Speaker 35: to the rural designation to permit
01:10:55 Speaker 36: a special events venue on approximately
01:10:59 Speaker 36: 105 acre at 1.05 acres, legally
01:11:02 Speaker 36: described as part lot 33 concession.
01:11:05 Speaker 36: thirteen in the geographic township of
01:11:08 Speaker 36: Artemisia, now in the municipality of
01:11:11 Speaker 36: Grey Highlands, be supported, and that
01:11:13 Speaker 36: staff be directed to prepare a
01:11:17 Speaker 36: bylaw for approval by county council.
01:11:22 Speaker 36: Is there a mover? Moved by
01:11:24 Speaker 36: Councillor Hutchinson, seconded. Seconded by Councillor
01:11:26 Speaker 36: Carleton. It's now on the floor
01:11:28 Speaker 36: for discussion. And with that, then
01:11:30 Speaker 36: I would like to invite Miss
01:11:32 Speaker 36: Hillier to come to the lectern
01:11:35 Speaker 36: to present, make her presentation. Good
01:11:36 Speaker 36: morning. Good morning, County Council. Before
01:11:39 Speaker 36: I get started today, I just
01:11:41 Speaker 36: wanted to acknowledge all of those
01:11:44 Speaker 36: individuals who provided input into this
01:11:47 Speaker 36: file that we're reviewing here today.
01:11:49 Speaker 36: Over the past year, we've had
01:11:51 Speaker 36: numerous public comments come in with
01:11:53 Speaker 36: regards to this development. I have.
01:11:54 Speaker 36: reviewed all of them. In particular,
01:11:56 Speaker 36: just before our, sorry, between the
01:11:59 Speaker 36: time of having written the staff
01:12:01 Speaker 36: report and and presenting here today,
01:12:02 Speaker 36: we did receive a number of
01:12:05 Speaker 36: new comments that have come in
01:12:08 Speaker 36: to myself and to our our
01:12:11 Speaker 36: clerk staff. To my knowledge, all
01:12:13 Speaker 36: or most of those have been
01:12:22 Speaker 36: circulated to our council members. I
01:12:23 Speaker 36: have personally reviewed all of those,
01:12:24 Speaker 36: and the ones that we see.
01:12:27 Speaker 36: on our consent agenda today were
01:12:29 Speaker 36: those individuals who had specifically requested
01:12:30 Speaker 36: that their comments be read or
01:12:32 Speaker 36: presented out to council today. So
01:12:35 Speaker 36: that was the reason that those
01:12:37 Speaker 36: comments were listed on the consent
01:12:40 Speaker 36: agenda, whereas others were not on
01:12:42 Speaker 36: the agenda. But I did just
01:12:45 Speaker 36: want to reassure everyone that those
01:12:48 Speaker 36: comments have been reviewed and acknowledged
01:12:50 Speaker 36: and certainly considered as part of
01:12:52 Speaker 36: this recommendation for the development as
01:12:54 Speaker 36: a whole. So with that. I
01:12:56 Speaker 36: can launch into things here. So
01:12:58 Speaker 36: Miss Loff did a great job
01:12:59 Speaker 36: presenting a bit of an overview
01:13:02 Speaker 36: of of this file, which was
01:13:04 Speaker 36: excellent. I am going to take
01:13:06 Speaker 36: a little bit more time with
01:13:08 Speaker 36: this one today, just acknowledging, you
01:13:11 Speaker 36: know, some of the discussions and
01:13:14 Speaker 36: and challenges with this file. You
01:13:16 Speaker 36: know, the the recommendation that we're
01:13:18 Speaker 36: presenting here today is is certainly
01:13:20 Speaker 36: not something. that I've I've taken
01:13:22 Speaker 36: lightly. There have been just numerous
01:13:24 Speaker 36: discussions between myself and Gray Highlands
01:13:26 Speaker 36: Planning staff with the applicant with
01:13:29 Speaker 36: members of the public. So this
01:13:30 Speaker 36: this really has been quite a
01:13:32 Speaker 36: complex process and certainly one of
01:13:36 Speaker 36: the more challenging files I've worked
01:13:38 Speaker 36: on during my time with the
01:13:41 Speaker 36: county. So as Miss Loft noted,
01:13:44 Speaker 36: we've got a County Official Plan
01:13:46 Speaker 36: Amendment OPA twenty two to establish
01:13:51 Speaker 36: a special events venue for hosting
01:13:53 Speaker 36: events weddings. retreats, other types of
01:13:56 Speaker 36: smaller functions, potentially family reunions, small
01:13:59 Speaker 36: classes, those types of things. The
01:14:01 Speaker 36: property is around forty point five
01:14:04 Speaker 36: hectares in size, just over a
01:14:07 Speaker 36: hundred acres or so. Currently features
01:14:08 Speaker 36: a single residential dwelling and accessory
01:14:09 Speaker 36: structures. Some of those accessory structures
01:14:11 Speaker 36: include a historic hangar on the
01:14:13 Speaker 36: property, as well as a building
01:14:15 Speaker 36: that would be converted to that
01:14:18 Speaker 36: hall function for accommodating events. The
01:14:20 Speaker 36: lands have frontage on twelve. Have
01:14:22 Speaker 36: frontage on Twelfth Concession B in
01:14:24 Speaker 36: Grey Highlands, and the surrounding land
01:14:28 Speaker 36: uses largely include forest, wetlands, and
01:14:29 Speaker 36: other smaller residential parcels to the
01:14:31 Speaker 36: south. As one of the commenters
01:14:33 Speaker 36: today had noted, the municipality of
01:14:34 Speaker 36: Grey Highlands has also recently approved
01:14:37 Speaker 36: a ten-unit blamping facility on a
01:14:39 Speaker 36: property just south. So this is
01:14:41 Speaker 36: the subject property here. This little
01:14:42 Speaker 36: cleared area. towards the bottom is.
01:14:43 Speaker 36: Sorry, I'm not sure you can't
01:14:45 Speaker 36: actually see. My first, the cleared
01:14:48 Speaker 36: area towards the bottom of the
01:14:49 Speaker 36: site is is where the event
01:14:51 Speaker 36: function would be held, and then
01:14:53 Speaker 36: the property just to kind of
01:14:55 Speaker 36: kitty corner there. The larger one
01:14:58 Speaker 36: south of of Twelve Concession B
01:14:59 Speaker 36: is where that glamping facility has
01:15:00 Speaker 36: has been approved. So just to
01:15:03 Speaker 36: zoom in a little bit closer
01:15:04 Speaker 36: here, you can see towards the
01:15:07 Speaker 36: road we've got the dwelling that
01:15:09 Speaker 36: exists that would be used for
01:15:10 Speaker 36: that short-term accommodation. purposes for guests,
01:15:13 Speaker 36: we've got that central parking area.
01:15:14 Speaker 36: Towards the back, you can see
01:15:17 Speaker 36: a little structure right at the
01:15:19 Speaker 36: top of the screen. There, that's
01:15:21 Speaker 36: the historic hangar. One of the
01:15:24 Speaker 36: changes that has been proposed or
01:15:26 Speaker 36: has come about as a result
01:15:28 Speaker 36: of some of the comments from
01:15:29 Speaker 36: the public and and some of
01:15:31 Speaker 36: those studies that we reviewed is
01:15:33 Speaker 36: initially events were going to be
01:15:34 Speaker 36: held, or there was an option
01:15:35 Speaker 36: of the for events to be
01:15:36 Speaker 36: held within that hangar structure. Is
01:15:39 Speaker 36: is kind of a live music.
01:15:43 Speaker 36: Is this kind of a live
01:15:45 Speaker 36: music type of venue? The noise
01:15:47 Speaker 36: studies we personally felt were were
01:15:49 Speaker 36: going to be too impactful for
01:15:51 Speaker 36: the for the natural environment, and
01:15:53 Speaker 36: so we did request with the
01:15:56 Speaker 36: applicant that that be removed from
01:15:57 Speaker 36: the event portion. So that is
01:15:59 Speaker 36: no longer contemplated within the OPA,
01:16:01 Speaker 36: and that structure has been removed.
01:16:05 Speaker 36: So all of the amplified noise
01:16:07 Speaker 36: would be held within the hall
01:16:10 Speaker 36: structure, was which is sort of
01:16:12 Speaker 36: in the central portion of that
01:16:15 Speaker 36: treat area. There, these are older
01:16:16 Speaker 36: photos. so you can't see the
01:16:17 Speaker 36: building at this point. And then,
01:16:20 Speaker 36: sort of to the left of
01:16:22 Speaker 36: that treat area would be where
01:16:23 Speaker 36: the short-term accommodation uses would be.
01:16:25 Speaker 36: So, just as some additional background
01:16:28 Speaker 36: here, the lands are designated as
01:16:30 Speaker 36: rural hazard lands and provincially significant
01:16:33 Speaker 36: wet wetlands and Schedule A
01:16:35 Speaker 36: of the county's official plan. It's
01:16:38 Speaker 36: also designated as a core area.
01:16:40 Speaker 36: So, for those who aren't aware,
01:16:41 Speaker 36: our core area is our areas
01:16:43 Speaker 36: within the county that we see
01:16:44 Speaker 36: as being See it being the
01:16:47 Speaker 36: most ecologically significant because they often
01:16:49 Speaker 36: overlap with our significant wetlands and
01:16:50 Speaker 36: our significant woodlands, and they provide
01:16:52 Speaker 36: a very contiguous area of species
01:16:55 Speaker 36: habitat. And so, from that perspective,
01:16:56 Speaker 36: from the beginning, you know, one
01:16:59 Speaker 36: of the public interests here is
01:17:02 Speaker 36: really that protection of the natural
01:17:05 Speaker 36: environment. And so, we did request
01:17:09 Speaker 36: from the beginning that an environmental
01:17:12 Speaker 36: impact study be conducted at the
01:17:14 Speaker 36: site, which has been done and
01:17:15 Speaker 36: reviewed by our planning ecology staff.
01:17:18 Speaker 36: in house, the event buildings are
01:17:20 Speaker 36: predominantly located within existing cleared areas
01:17:23 Speaker 36: of the property. As noted, just
01:17:26 Speaker 36: if we scroll back one, that
01:17:27 Speaker 36: kind of pocket of trees right
01:17:30 Speaker 36: in the middle. A portion of
01:17:32 Speaker 36: that is proposed to be cleared
01:17:34 Speaker 36: for a future septic system, which
01:17:36 Speaker 36: would connect the event hall as
01:17:38 Speaker 36: well as all of the accommodation
01:17:41 Speaker 36: uses. So everything would be run
01:17:44 Speaker 36: on a central septic system, which
01:17:45 Speaker 36: would you know have the impact
01:17:48 Speaker 36: of the kind of consolidating. Of
01:17:50 Speaker 36: kind of consolidating the septic and
01:17:53 Speaker 36: you know kind of preventing potential
01:17:54 Speaker 36: future impacts with the surrounding wetland
01:17:57 Speaker 36: feature, for example. So, along with
01:18:00 Speaker 36: the county official plan amendment, as
01:18:01 Speaker 36: Ms. Loth noted, a zoning bylaw
01:18:03 Speaker 36: amendment has been submitted to Gray
01:18:06 Speaker 36: Highlands. These have been both of
01:18:09 Speaker 36: these applications have been reviewed concurrently
01:18:11 Speaker 36: by county and municipal staff. The
01:18:13 Speaker 36: zoning proposal in front of Gray
01:18:15 Speaker 36: Highlands. at the moment would permit
01:18:16 Speaker 36: the proposed special event use as
01:18:18 Speaker 36: well as overnight guest accommodations. So
01:18:21 Speaker 36: that includes a maximum of five
01:18:22 Speaker 36: guest cabins, seven tent sites, accommodation
01:18:24 Speaker 36: for up to 14 guests in
01:18:26 Speaker 36: existing structures, and a total of
01:18:29 Speaker 36: 41 parking spaces. As Ms. Loft
01:18:32 Speaker 36: noted, there is already zoning permissions
01:18:35 Speaker 36: in effect for the health spa
01:18:38 Speaker 36: use on this property. Just looking
01:18:41 Speaker 36: at the Highland zoning bylaw, it
01:18:43 Speaker 36: doesn't seem that that's a particular
01:18:44 Speaker 36: It doesn't seem that that's a
01:18:46 Speaker 36: particularly well defined term within their
01:18:49 Speaker 36: zoning bylaw, but just noting, you
01:18:51 Speaker 36: know, it does have that existing
01:18:54 Speaker 36: kind of commercial permissions already in
01:18:56 Speaker 36: effect. The rationale for the OPA
01:18:57 Speaker 36: here, when we were looking at
01:18:59 Speaker 36: this file initially, we didn't have
01:19:01 Speaker 36: any policies in effect within our
01:19:04 Speaker 36: official plan to kind of give
01:19:06 Speaker 36: an easy response to whether or
01:19:10 Speaker 36: not this should be permitted or
01:19:11 Speaker 36: not, and we kind of had
01:19:13 Speaker 36: chatted internally about whether or not
01:19:16 Speaker 36: we could. squeak this under the
01:19:19 Speaker 36: definition of a resource-based recreational use,
01:19:21 Speaker 36: noting you know the the kind
01:19:22 Speaker 36: of rationale for connecting the event
01:19:25 Speaker 36: with the surrounding natural environment. Ultimately,
01:19:26 Speaker 36: county staff felt that this didn't
01:19:27 Speaker 36: quite meet the definition of a
01:19:29 Speaker 36: resource-based recreational use. We didn't feel
01:19:34 Speaker 36: that events, by their very nature,
01:19:37 Speaker 36: relied on access to the natural
01:19:39 Speaker 36: environment, and so we did request
01:19:41 Speaker 36: that a county official plan amendment
01:19:42 Speaker 36: just to. add an additional level
01:19:44 Speaker 36: of review to file. I would
01:19:47 Speaker 36: also note that that's a slightly
01:19:48 Speaker 36: different planning opinion than Great Highlands
01:19:49 Speaker 36: staff had the during the initial
01:19:51 Speaker 36: phases. So they did not request
01:19:55 Speaker 36: an official plan amendment to the
01:19:58 Speaker 36: Great Highlands official plan. So with
01:19:59 Speaker 36: some of the feedback that's come
01:20:00 Speaker 36: out of the public process, one
01:20:02 Speaker 36: of the main concerns were okay
01:20:05 Speaker 36: if you permit this event use
01:20:07 Speaker 36: now, you know. To use now,
01:20:09 Speaker 36: you know what are the chances
01:20:11 Speaker 36: that this is going to scale
01:20:12 Speaker 36: up in future, and so on
01:20:16 Speaker 36: the left side of the screen
01:20:18 Speaker 36: here is the original schedule A,
01:20:20 Speaker 36: and so you can see that
01:20:22 Speaker 36: that that a hatched red area
01:20:25 Speaker 36: towards the southern portion of the
01:20:27 Speaker 36: property there. So it was originally
01:20:31 Speaker 36: about two hectares in extent that
01:20:33 Speaker 36: we had kind of said, yeah,
01:20:36 Speaker 36: the the event venue space can
01:20:40 Speaker 36: can go in this general area,
01:20:42 Speaker 36: but as we really started honing
01:20:44 Speaker 36: in on some of those. public
01:20:46 Speaker 36: comments and really tightening up the
01:20:48 Speaker 36: definition of what actually falls within
01:20:51 Speaker 36: that category of a special event,
01:20:56 Speaker 36: we really wanted to hone in
01:20:58 Speaker 36: on you know what are the
01:21:00 Speaker 36: areas of the property where that
01:21:02 Speaker 36: event venue could could function and
01:21:05 Speaker 36: and would be covered with the
01:21:07 Speaker 36: OPA, and so we've scaled that
01:21:08 Speaker 36: back to one point zero five
01:21:10 Speaker 36: hectares, which is about half of
01:21:11 Speaker 36: of that original proposal that that
01:21:13 Speaker 36: had initially been circulated out to
01:21:15 Speaker 36: the public. The hangar area has
01:21:17 Speaker 36: also been excluded within that designation
01:21:19 Speaker 36: area, so all of that amplified
01:21:20 Speaker 36: sound would again be located within
01:21:22 Speaker 36: that enclosed hall structure. Just so
01:21:23 Speaker 36: we're on the same page, the
01:21:25 Speaker 36: wording for the special event venue
01:21:28 Speaker 36: within the current draft OPA is:
01:21:29 Speaker 36: so for the purposes of this
01:21:30 Speaker 36: use, a special event venue shall
01:21:34 Speaker 36: be limited to an event hall
01:21:36 Speaker 36: servicing area. Servicing areas, so including
01:21:38 Speaker 36: the septic system, toilet facilities, the
01:21:40 Speaker 36: parking area, swimming pool, and outdoor
01:21:44 Speaker 36: ceremony area. In terms of the
01:21:46 Speaker 36: development process and timeline, so this
01:21:49 Speaker 36: is again come up, understandably, by
01:21:51 Speaker 36: members of the public is is
01:21:52 Speaker 36: to say, you know, we, you
01:21:55 Speaker 36: know, Great Highlands is is approving
01:21:56 Speaker 36: something and county is approving something,
01:21:58 Speaker 36: but we don't understand really who's
01:21:59 Speaker 36: doing what and who's kind of
01:22:02 Speaker 36: responsible for what. So I just
01:22:05 Speaker 36: wanted to to to, you know,
01:22:08 Speaker 36: understandably, there's some complexity with the
01:22:10 Speaker 36: planning process, and I just wanted
01:22:13 Speaker 36: to take a moment to kind
01:22:15 Speaker 36: of talk through kind of what
01:22:16 Speaker 36: the process has been so far
01:22:18 Speaker 36: and what the remaining steps are
01:22:21 Speaker 36: in in this process. So probably,
01:22:22 Speaker 36: you know, more than two years
01:22:24 Speaker 36: ago, we started out with the
01:22:26 Speaker 36: pre consultation process, and I will
01:22:28 Speaker 36: acknowledge that there were some bylaw
01:22:30 Speaker 36: concerns with this property. I understand
01:22:32 Speaker 36: that the applicants, during the course
01:22:34 Speaker 36: of COVID, had had started operationalizing.
01:22:37 Speaker 36: the event venue without the proper
01:22:39 Speaker 36: permissions in place, and bylaw did
01:22:41 Speaker 36: get involved within Grey Highlands, and
01:22:43 Speaker 36: I don't sort of know the
01:22:44 Speaker 36: full specifics of that, but that
01:22:47 Speaker 36: was kind of when Miss Loft
01:22:49 Speaker 36: was involved, and and really we
01:22:52 Speaker 36: started to kind of hone in
01:22:54 Speaker 36: on a path of, okay, can
01:22:57 Speaker 36: we can we provide a route
01:22:59 Speaker 36: forward to to begin legalizing this
01:23:02 Speaker 36: use, and so in that respect,
01:23:04 Speaker 36: we're we are considering this as
01:23:07 Speaker 36: a new. use, you know, even
01:23:10 Speaker 36: though they've they've they may or
01:23:11 Speaker 36: may not have been running for
01:23:12 Speaker 36: a certain period of time, we're
01:23:13 Speaker 36: we're we don't kind of give
01:23:15 Speaker 36: credit to that. This is kind
01:23:17 Speaker 36: of we're we're talking about from
01:23:21 Speaker 36: the ground up here. We're considering
01:23:23 Speaker 36: this as as really a new
01:23:26 Speaker 36: use. So following the pre consultation
01:23:28 Speaker 36: process, which I identified that the
01:23:30 Speaker 36: types of studies that would be
01:23:34 Speaker 36: required, the applicant submitted a zoning
01:23:35 Speaker 36: bylaw to Gray Highlands, and county
01:23:39 Speaker 36: staff advised them that the official.
01:23:40 Speaker 36: plan amendment would be required as
01:23:42 Speaker 36: well, so they did submit an
01:23:44 Speaker 36: OPA to the county. The applications
01:23:47 Speaker 36: were deemed complete by both Gray
01:23:49 Speaker 36: County and the municipal. Sorry, Gray
01:23:52 Speaker 36: County and the municipality, and were
01:23:55 Speaker 36: circulated to all neighbours. The Planning
01:23:57 Speaker 36: Act stipulates that all neighbours within
01:24:00 Speaker 36: 120 metres of the property should
01:24:03 Speaker 36: be notified. We actually took it
01:24:05 Speaker 36: upon ourselves to increase that circulation
01:24:08 Speaker 36: to to double that to 240
01:24:11 Speaker 36: metres. To two hundred and forty
01:24:13 Speaker 36: metres. Just noting that this is
01:24:15 Speaker 36: something that you know neighbours are
01:24:17 Speaker 36: are going to want to have
01:24:20 Speaker 36: a say on, and and I
01:24:22 Speaker 36: felt that that was important to
01:24:25 Speaker 36: make it known that this application
01:24:27 Speaker 36: was occurring. We had lots of
01:24:32 Speaker 36: comments that were received during that
01:24:34 Speaker 36: commenting period. We did have a
01:24:38 Speaker 36: public meeting, and since that public
01:24:39 Speaker 36: meeting, the applicants have been working
01:24:40 Speaker 36: to redefine that application and the
01:24:44 Speaker 36: proposal of of what's being put
01:24:46 Speaker 36: forward here today. We're here today.
01:24:48 Speaker 36: Eventually, we got to a point
01:24:50 Speaker 36: where we had felt, you know,
01:24:52 Speaker 36: to the best of the applicant's
01:24:53 Speaker 36: capacity and our capacity, we have
01:24:56 Speaker 36: reasonably addressed those most of those
01:24:58 Speaker 36: public comments and concerns. A staff
01:25:02 Speaker 36: report was prepared by the Gray
01:25:04 Speaker 36: Highlands planner. It was brought to
01:25:06 Speaker 36: Gray Highlands Council for a recommendation
01:25:08 Speaker 36: on whether to support the county
01:25:10 Speaker 36: official plan amendment. That was ultimately
01:25:12 Speaker 36: a lost vote by. Gray Highlands.
01:25:14 Speaker 36: No further resolution was provided to
01:25:16 Speaker 36: County Council or staff at that
01:25:20 Speaker 36: stage. But just noting that it
01:25:23 Speaker 36: would appear that Gray Highlands did
01:25:25 Speaker 36: not support the OPA at that
01:25:27 Speaker 36: stage. So here we are today
01:25:29 Speaker 36: in front of County Council. We
01:25:32 Speaker 36: are looking for how to move
01:25:36 Speaker 36: forward with this application. Following any
01:25:37 Speaker 36: decision today, it would come forward
01:25:39 Speaker 36: for a future. decision on the
01:25:41 Speaker 36: OPA bylaw, and it would still
01:25:43 Speaker 36: need to go back to Grey
01:25:46 Speaker 36: Highlands for a decision on the
01:25:47 Speaker 36: zoning bylaw amendment. Following all the
01:25:50 Speaker 36: appeal periods, the applicant would then
01:25:51 Speaker 36: have to go through a site
01:25:54 Speaker 36: plan approval process, where we would
01:25:57 Speaker 36: come up with conditions that would
01:26:01 Speaker 36: need to be put in place
01:26:03 Speaker 36: for, with regards to the site
01:26:06 Speaker 36: design and operationalization, and only after
01:26:09 Speaker 36: that has been. signed and sealed
01:26:11 Speaker 36: and put in place, that the
01:26:12 Speaker 36: applicants would then have the opportunity
01:26:16 Speaker 36: to apply for building permits. And
01:26:18 Speaker 36: from my understanding, that includes any
01:26:19 Speaker 36: retroactive building permits that would be
01:26:23 Speaker 36: required to permit some of these
01:26:25 Speaker 36: structures that were built without a
01:26:26 Speaker 36: building permit. So, in terms of
01:26:29 Speaker 36: supporting work, we have received a
01:26:31 Speaker 36: planning justification report, a servicing study,
01:26:33 Speaker 36: a noise study, which, as Christine
01:26:35 Speaker 36: noted, included a peer review process.
01:26:38 Speaker 36: as well as an environmental impact
01:26:39 Speaker 36: study. Christine also took you through
01:26:40 Speaker 36: a few photos of the property,
01:26:43 Speaker 36: but just to reiterate, here are
01:26:45 Speaker 36: a few. So we've got the
01:26:47 Speaker 36: single detached dwelling in the top
01:26:52 Speaker 36: top photo on the right. We've
01:26:54 Speaker 36: got some of those tent platforms
01:26:58 Speaker 36: that existed during the time of
01:26:59 Speaker 36: a site visit. In the bottom
01:27:01 Speaker 36: left is kind of one of
01:27:02 Speaker 36: those glamping cabin slash tent facilities.
01:27:06 Speaker 36: so everything is is mostly movable
01:27:09 Speaker 36: and and kind of temporary in
01:27:10 Speaker 36: nature. I do understand that some
01:27:11 Speaker 36: of these structures may have been
01:27:14 Speaker 36: built within that required setback in
01:27:16 Speaker 36: terms of zoning, and so these
01:27:18 Speaker 36: would be relocated should this move
01:27:20 Speaker 36: forward and as as a requirement
01:27:21 Speaker 36: of the site plan process and
01:27:24 Speaker 36: the zoning process. So the
01:27:25 Speaker 36: bottom left is a picture of
01:27:28 Speaker 36: the inside of the hall structure.
01:27:30 Speaker 36: So it is. fully enclosed, but
01:27:34 Speaker 36: there are sliding doors that go
01:27:35 Speaker 36: up and down to offer guests
01:27:38 Speaker 36: the opportunity to access the outside
01:27:40 Speaker 36: space. Those would be closed at
01:27:40 Speaker 36: a certain time in the evening
01:27:42 Speaker 36: to make sure that all noise
01:27:45 Speaker 36: is contained within the structure. On
01:27:46 Speaker 36: the left side, there they they
01:27:50 Speaker 36: are proposing a a small outdoor
01:27:52 Speaker 36: ceremony area within the forested area,
01:27:55 Speaker 36: and there's just some pictures of
01:27:58 Speaker 36: the parking area. So, if we
01:27:59 Speaker 36: go back to basics of under
01:28:01 Speaker 36: the Planning Act, you know, of
01:28:05 Speaker 36: course we look at all of
01:28:07 Speaker 36: these areas of public interest or
01:28:08 Speaker 36: provincial interest, I should say. But
01:28:10 Speaker 36: I've highlighted a few that I
01:28:12 Speaker 36: think are most important to speak
01:28:13 Speaker 36: to today. So, the protection of
01:28:15 Speaker 36: ecological systems, including natural areas, features,
01:28:16 Speaker 36: and functions, as noted, there's a
01:28:19 Speaker 36: lot of natural heritage on and
01:28:20 Speaker 36: around this property, and so this
01:28:23 Speaker 36: was a core concern for
01:28:25 Speaker 36: us. We did request that environment.
01:28:27 Speaker 36: We did request that environmental impact
01:28:29 Speaker 36: study from the beginning. Part of
01:28:31 Speaker 36: the review for that was was
01:28:34 Speaker 36: making sure noise impacts were were
01:28:37 Speaker 36: reviewed as as part of that
01:28:38 Speaker 36: study as well, and potential impacts
01:28:39 Speaker 36: on on on on wildlife habitat
01:28:42 Speaker 36: as well. So we you know
01:28:44 Speaker 36: we've got our human neighbours, but
01:28:46 Speaker 36: we've also got our our our
01:28:48 Speaker 36: animal neighbours, and and that's that's
01:28:50 Speaker 36: part of something we need to
01:28:52 Speaker 36: consider as planners. H point one
01:28:55 Speaker 36: I was the adequate provision and
01:28:56 Speaker 36: distribution of educational health. social, cultural,
01:28:58 Speaker 36: cultural, and recreational facilities. So I
01:29:00 Speaker 36: think you know the Planning Act
01:29:02 Speaker 36: really recognizes we we do need
01:29:04 Speaker 36: these spaces for our cultural celebrations
01:29:05 Speaker 36: and and you know that's important.
01:29:07 Speaker 36: And I'm sure there's a moment
01:29:09 Speaker 36: in everyone's lives where you've wanted
01:29:11 Speaker 36: or or needed to go to
01:29:12 Speaker 36: a facility of this type of
01:29:14 Speaker 36: nature. And so there's always a
01:29:16 Speaker 36: question of where do we put
01:29:18 Speaker 36: these and what's the best opportunity
01:29:19 Speaker 36: for them. K is the adequate
01:29:22 Speaker 36: provision of employment opportunities and. you
01:29:23 Speaker 36: know, it's not like we're creating
01:29:26 Speaker 36: twenty full-time opportunities for work here,
01:29:29 Speaker 36: but there are a lot of
01:29:32 Speaker 36: knock-on opportunities for small-scale entrepreneurs involved
01:29:34 Speaker 36: in the event industry, whether it's
01:29:35 Speaker 36: caterers or musicians or event planners.
01:29:37 Speaker 36: Those are all part of our
01:29:39 Speaker 36: rural economy and needs to be
01:29:41 Speaker 36: considered here as well. And finally,
01:29:44 Speaker 36: just the appropriate location of growth
01:29:45 Speaker 36: and development. I think this is
01:29:47 Speaker 36: the core consideration here: is is
01:29:49 Speaker 36: is this a good
01:29:52 Speaker 36: place for this type of development?
01:29:55 Speaker 36: and you know, I rack my
01:29:57 Speaker 36: mind, asking myself, where is the
01:29:58 Speaker 36: best location for this type of
01:30:01 Speaker 36: development? You know, if we put
01:30:03 Speaker 36: it in our settlement area, we're
01:30:06 Speaker 36: going to get lots of neighbours
01:30:08 Speaker 36: that are upset about that. If
01:30:10 Speaker 36: we put it in our agricultural
01:30:14 Speaker 36: areas, it's taking away from our
01:30:17 Speaker 36: agricultural land. If we put in
01:30:19 Speaker 36: our rural areas, you know, it's
01:30:22 Speaker 36: it's not great from a natural
01:30:24 Speaker 36: heritage perspective. If we put in
01:30:26 Speaker 36: our industrial areas, no one really
01:30:29 Speaker 36: wants to celebrate there. So you
01:30:32 Speaker 36: know, there's not all. So you
01:30:33 Speaker 36: know, there's not always a great
01:30:35 Speaker 36: a great answer to this, and
01:30:37 Speaker 36: it's something that we we really
01:30:38 Speaker 36: worked through on this file.
01:30:40 Speaker 36: So under the provincial planning statement,
01:30:43 Speaker 36: the PPS supports resource-based recreational uses
01:30:45 Speaker 36: in rural areas. Again, staff felt
01:30:48 Speaker 36: that this wasn't quite a good
01:30:50 Speaker 36: fit for this particular land use,
01:30:53 Speaker 36: and so we looked more at
01:30:56 Speaker 36: other rural land uses as a
01:30:58 Speaker 36: category that we were investigating. So
01:31:00 Speaker 36: you know, as part of under
01:31:01 Speaker 36: the PPS, we are required to
01:31:03 Speaker 36: evaluate the impacts. on agricultural operations,
01:31:05 Speaker 36: natural heritage, servicing considerations, traffic impacts,
01:31:08 Speaker 36: and you know this is not
01:31:11 Speaker 36: an agricultural area. There's really no
01:31:13 Speaker 36: prime ag lands around here. There's
01:31:15 Speaker 36: there's there's few or no agricultural
01:31:16 Speaker 36: operations because it really is more
01:31:20 Speaker 36: of a a rural forested area.
01:31:22 Speaker 36: And you know those those other
01:31:24 Speaker 36: aspects have have certainly been investigated
01:31:26 Speaker 36: throughout this process as well. And
01:31:28 Speaker 36: under the Gray County Official Plan.
01:31:30 Speaker 36: So at the time OPA 22
01:31:34 Speaker 36: was submitted, again there weren't a
01:31:35 Speaker 36: lot of policies kind of in
01:31:39 Speaker 36: place that that had a natural
01:31:41 Speaker 36: way of of framing this event
01:31:43 Speaker 36: use or under the county's official
01:31:47 Speaker 36: plan. Again, we didn't feel it
01:31:49 Speaker 36: was a great fit under the
01:31:50 Speaker 36: resource-based recreational use policies. So we
01:31:52 Speaker 36: largely did rely on a lot
01:31:55 Speaker 36: of those overarching policies from the
01:31:58 Speaker 36: provincial planning statement to to kind
01:32:00 Speaker 36: of frame how or why this.
01:32:02 Speaker 36: should be used here. I did.
01:32:06 Speaker 36: I will note that in May
01:32:08 Speaker 36: 2025, County Council did approve OPA
01:32:10 Speaker 36: 23, which would permit a small-scale
01:32:15 Speaker 36: special event venue up to 0.8
01:32:18 Speaker 36: hectares on a property of this
01:32:20 Speaker 36: size without the need for a
01:32:22 Speaker 36: county OPA. The zoning bylaw amendment
01:32:24 Speaker 36: and probably site plan application would
01:32:27 Speaker 36: still be required. The current proposal
01:32:29 Speaker 36: is slightly larger, being 1.05 hectares,
01:32:31 Speaker 36: and must be justified based on
01:32:33 Speaker 36: the county. official plan policies in
01:32:37 Speaker 36: effect at the time of submission,
01:32:39 Speaker 36: which was in 2024, so we're
01:32:40 Speaker 36: not judging this application based on
01:32:44 Speaker 36: our current policies. But I do
01:32:46 Speaker 36: think it's worth noting, you know,
01:32:47 Speaker 36: that we have made a collective
01:32:50 Speaker 36: decision that we're in favour of
01:32:52 Speaker 36: locating smaller event venues somewhere, and
01:32:54 Speaker 36: so I just wanted to point
01:32:56 Speaker 36: that out for for council's reference.
01:32:59 Speaker 36: So in terms of comments received,
01:33:01 Speaker 36: so I had. I went through
01:33:02 Speaker 36: everything again yesterday and tried to
01:33:06 Speaker 36: figure out just the whole chain
01:33:08 Speaker 36: of events in terms of comments
01:33:10 Speaker 36: that have received so so far
01:33:11 Speaker 36: we've received about 21 comments from
01:33:13 Speaker 36: or sorry comments from 21 households
01:33:16 Speaker 36: that oppose or raise concerns about
01:33:17 Speaker 36: the proposed development most of these
01:33:19 Speaker 36: are neighbours on surrounding lands occasionally
01:33:21 Speaker 36: you know two members from one
01:33:24 Speaker 36: household will have provided comments through
01:33:26 Speaker 36: separate comment letters. We've also received
01:33:28 Speaker 36: twelve comments in support of the
01:33:32 Speaker 36: proposed development. Seven of those being
01:33:34 Speaker 36: from local businesses, four from friends
01:33:37 Speaker 36: or supporters of the applicant, and
01:33:39 Speaker 36: one from a community organisation. We
01:33:41 Speaker 36: did have one more neutral comment
01:33:43 Speaker 36: asking questions only, as well as
01:33:44 Speaker 36: two agency comments being Ray Sable
01:33:47 Speaker 36: and Bridge Gas. The key concern
01:33:49 Speaker 36: that we've heard over and over
01:33:51 Speaker 36: in virtual Heard over and over
01:33:52 Speaker 36: in virtually all the comments we
01:33:55 Speaker 36: received were with regard to noise.
01:33:57 Speaker 36: People were concerned about the impact
01:34:00 Speaker 36: of noise on their quality of
01:34:02 Speaker 36: life, impact of noise on wildlife
01:34:03 Speaker 36: habitat. They had questions and concerns
01:34:06 Speaker 36: about exemptions to the noise bylaw,
01:34:08 Speaker 36: which is being considered under the
01:34:10 Speaker 36: zoning bylaw for Great Highlands. The
01:34:12 Speaker 36: late hours and frequency of noisy
01:34:15 Speaker 36: events, and concerns just about who
01:34:18 Speaker 36: will be monitoring the noise and
01:34:20 Speaker 36: how. Staff certainly recognize. these are
01:34:22 Speaker 36: very valid questions and concerns, and
01:34:24 Speaker 36: certainly, if I were a neighbour
01:34:25 Speaker 36: living beside this event venue, I
01:34:28 Speaker 36: would have these same questions and
01:34:29 Speaker 36: concerns. So, in response to that,
01:34:34 Speaker 36: of course, we did request that
01:34:35 Speaker 36: noise assessment be done from the
01:34:37 Speaker 36: very beginning. We did also undertake
01:34:39 Speaker 36: a third-party peer review process of
01:34:40 Speaker 36: that noise assessment. The peer review
01:34:41 Speaker 36: process did make some recommendations, which
01:34:43 Speaker 36: have been implemented by the applicants
01:34:45 Speaker 36: through a revised submission. but some
01:34:47 Speaker 36: of the mitigation member measures that
01:34:50 Speaker 36: will be taken include limiting larger
01:34:52 Speaker 36: events up to twelve times per
01:34:55 Speaker 36: year, which again is would be
01:34:59 Speaker 36: within the zoning bylaw, maintaining all
01:35:03 Speaker 36: amplified noise within the hall structure,
01:35:04 Speaker 36: which you know is a permanent
01:35:07 Speaker 36: structure. We're not talking a tent
01:35:09 Speaker 36: or anything like that. Noise levels
01:35:11 Speaker 36: would be actively monitored at all
01:35:15 Speaker 36: times using a decibel monitor on
01:35:17 Speaker 36: site. The owners or their delegates
01:35:20 Speaker 36: would be on site during all
01:35:21 Speaker 36: events, making sure that noise is
01:35:23 Speaker 36: monitored. The special the special event
01:35:26 Speaker 36: area is located in a central
01:35:29 Speaker 36: portion of the property, away from
01:35:30 Speaker 36: neighbouring residences to the west. The
01:35:31 Speaker 36: EIS again, through an addendum, evaluated
01:35:34 Speaker 36: noise impacts on wildlife, and there
01:35:37 Speaker 36: is still the opportunity to look
01:35:40 Speaker 36: at additional buffering that could be
01:35:41 Speaker 36: explored through a future site plan
01:35:45 Speaker 36: application, if that's something that we
01:35:48 Speaker 36: could consider in relation to those
01:35:49 Speaker 36: neighbours to the west. Another concern
01:35:51 Speaker 36: was just about kind of the
01:35:52 Speaker 36: concept of the event use itself.
01:35:54 Speaker 36: So again, whether or not this
01:35:57 Speaker 36: is a good space for an
01:35:59 Speaker 36: event venue, whether it meets the
01:36:02 Speaker 36: character of the area and the
01:36:04 Speaker 36: criteria for a resource-based recreational use,
01:36:08 Speaker 36: there were concerns about scaling up
01:36:11 Speaker 36: in future. So you know, staff
01:36:13 Speaker 36: in general, where we get requests
01:36:16 Speaker 36: a lot for event venue types
01:36:19 Speaker 36: of facilities or or glamping types
01:36:21 Speaker 36: of venues, people like to. experience
01:36:22 Speaker 36: our natural environment, and in Gray
01:36:25 Speaker 36: County, we're very lucky to have
01:36:27 Speaker 36: the natural environment at our fingertips,
01:36:29 Speaker 36: which not everyone has. And so,
01:36:32 Speaker 36: this is a destination area. Again,
01:36:34 Speaker 36: noting this property does already have
01:36:37 Speaker 36: zoning permissions in place for
01:36:41 Speaker 36: a health spa. There is a
01:36:43 Speaker 36: need, of course, to balance the
01:36:46 Speaker 36: financial viability of a potential business,
01:36:48 Speaker 36: you know, versus impacts to neighbours.
01:36:50 Speaker 36: So, you know, we need to
01:36:53 Speaker 36: think. if we are limiting the
01:36:55 Speaker 36: number of events per year, what
01:36:57 Speaker 36: is that number that triggers that
01:37:00 Speaker 36: you know viability of the business
01:37:02 Speaker 36: versus this is not a number
01:37:03 Speaker 36: that the business is actually sustainable
01:37:06 Speaker 36: at. The existing hall, dwelling, and
01:37:09 Speaker 36: structures would all be located back
01:37:12 Speaker 36: from the road, so they did
01:37:14 Speaker 36: not visually detract from the rural
01:37:16 Speaker 36: nature of the area, kind of
01:37:17 Speaker 36: from an aesthetics perspective. And again,
01:37:22 Speaker 36: the OPA Schedule A has really
01:37:24 Speaker 36: been limited. PA Schedule A has
01:37:26 Speaker 36: really been limited in scale and
01:37:28 Speaker 36: scope to to situate that event
01:37:29 Speaker 36: venue area in the middle portion
01:37:32 Speaker 36: of the property only. With regards
01:37:35 Speaker 36: to site layout, there were concerns
01:37:37 Speaker 36: about the potential for trespassing of
01:37:39 Speaker 36: guests using the trail systems, concerns
01:37:41 Speaker 36: about existing structures built too close
01:37:43 Speaker 36: to property boundaries, and concerns that
01:37:46 Speaker 36: the camping area would be located
01:37:46 Speaker 36: too close to neighbouring properties. So
01:37:49 Speaker 36: again, a site plan application would
01:37:51 Speaker 36: follow approval of the OPA and
01:37:53 Speaker 36: ZBA, and many of these concerns,
01:37:56 Speaker 36: particularly around where guests can and
01:37:59 Speaker 36: cannot go, can can be likely
01:38:01 Speaker 36: addressed through signage, setbacks, buffering, fencing.
01:38:02 Speaker 36: So I think you know there
01:38:04 Speaker 36: are things that that we can
01:38:07 Speaker 36: do to to sign to regulate
01:38:10 Speaker 36: some of that guest behaviour. The
01:38:13 Speaker 36: applicants have not requested at this
01:38:17 Speaker 36: stage any sort of departure from
01:38:20 Speaker 36: the. established zoning setbacks. So I
01:38:23 Speaker 36: believe the established zoning setback is
01:38:25 Speaker 36: 15 metres. So any structures would
01:38:27 Speaker 36: need to be located at least
01:38:31 Speaker 36: 15 metres from that neighbouring property
01:38:33 Speaker 36: line. If there are any existing
01:38:34 Speaker 36: tent structures that are located closer
01:38:37 Speaker 36: to that that were constructed without
01:38:39 Speaker 36: permits, those would need to be
01:38:41 Speaker 36: removed. And and they, my understanding
01:38:43 Speaker 36: is they will be removed. With
01:38:47 Speaker 36: regards to site servicing, so. there
01:38:48 Speaker 36: were questions, concerns about the existing
01:38:51 Speaker 36: capacity of the septic system on
01:38:54 Speaker 36: site. They were quite old, from
01:38:56 Speaker 36: the 60s or 70s. There was
01:38:58 Speaker 36: concerns about impact to Lake Lake
01:39:00 Speaker 36: Eugenia waters. There were concerns about
01:39:03 Speaker 36: the portable toilets being used for
01:39:04 Speaker 36: three years. Questions of waste collection,
01:39:06 Speaker 36: and and just the combined servicing
01:39:08 Speaker 36: impact of the glamping site across
01:39:13 Speaker 36: the road. So again, I think
01:39:15 Speaker 36: these are all very valid concerns,
01:39:17 Speaker 36: and staff raised some of the
01:39:21 Speaker 36: same questions. The servicing study does.
01:39:23 Speaker 36: confirm that all existing septic systems
01:39:26 Speaker 36: on site are over capacity at
01:39:27 Speaker 36: the moment, and that this a
01:39:30 Speaker 36: centralized septic system should really be
01:39:33 Speaker 36: used and put in place. And
01:39:35 Speaker 36: that's what the servicing study has
01:39:38 Speaker 36: recommended. The applicants, acknowledging you know
01:39:40 Speaker 36: the expense expenses of putting together
01:39:42 Speaker 36: a business of this nature, have
01:39:45 Speaker 36: requested a deferral of the requirement
01:39:46 Speaker 36: for establishing that larger septic. system
01:39:48 Speaker 36: for a period of three years,
01:39:49 Speaker 36: and during that interim period, they
01:39:53 Speaker 36: would use portable toilet facilities. Staff
01:39:55 Speaker 36: have had a lot of conversations
01:39:57 Speaker 36: about this and whether or not
01:40:00 Speaker 36: this is the correct approach or
01:40:02 Speaker 36: not. The applicants have suggested
01:40:05 Speaker 36: that they would enter into a
01:40:08 Speaker 36: servicing agreement through a site plan
01:40:11 Speaker 36: agreement approach. They would also offer
01:40:13 Speaker 36: securities to the municipality to ensure,
01:40:15 Speaker 36: after a period of three years,
01:40:17 Speaker 36: that Sure, after a period of
01:40:19 Speaker 36: three years, that this this septic
01:40:22 Speaker 36: system could be constructed, and so
01:40:24 Speaker 36: ultimately, although it's not kind of
01:40:27 Speaker 36: the run of the mill servicing
01:40:30 Speaker 36: solution, staff do feel that we
01:40:32 Speaker 36: could support this approach, provided that
01:40:33 Speaker 36: the framing within that site plan
01:40:36 Speaker 36: agreement is in place to ensure
01:40:39 Speaker 36: that septic system is built within
01:40:41 Speaker 36: that three year time. Again, with
01:40:45 Speaker 36: regards to traffic, individuals had a
01:40:49 Speaker 36: number of questions and concerns around
01:40:51 Speaker 36: traffic on. concession B. It is
01:40:53 Speaker 36: a paved municipal road. It has
01:40:55 Speaker 36: good sightlines. Grey Highlands staff did
01:40:58 Speaker 36: not see the need for a
01:41:00 Speaker 36: traffic impact study here, given the
01:41:02 Speaker 36: volume of of cars. Again, there
01:41:06 Speaker 36: are only forty one parking spaces
01:41:08 Speaker 36: on the site, so we don't
01:41:10 Speaker 36: perceive this as being a generation,
01:41:12 Speaker 36: direct generating a large volume of
01:41:13 Speaker 36: traffic. As noted, there are some
01:41:17 Speaker 36: nearby accommodations where guests may be
01:41:20 Speaker 36: able to use. just to minimize
01:41:22 Speaker 36: the amount of traffic that would
01:41:24 Speaker 36: be coming to the site. With
01:41:26 Speaker 36: regards to impact to nature, again,
01:41:29 Speaker 36: I did talk quite a bit
01:41:30 Speaker 36: about this already, but guests or
01:41:34 Speaker 36: individuals were concerned about impact to
01:41:36 Speaker 36: our wooded areas, wetlands, wildlife habitat,
01:41:39 Speaker 36: water contamination, guest behaviour related to
01:41:40 Speaker 36: the natural environment, the potential for
01:41:41 Speaker 36: accidental fires. So again, the EIS
01:41:43 Speaker 36: has been undertaken a whole. Undertaken,
01:41:45 Speaker 36: holding provision does remain in effect
01:41:48 Speaker 36: for most of the property, so
01:41:50 Speaker 36: that no further development would be
01:41:52 Speaker 36: permitted without further amendments to that
01:41:54 Speaker 36: environmental impact study. The EIS has
01:41:57 Speaker 36: been reviewed by our ecology staff.
01:41:59 Speaker 36: Fires will only be permitted within
01:42:01 Speaker 36: designated areas, and the owners have
01:42:02 Speaker 36: developed an event policy manual outlining
01:42:05 Speaker 36: rules and expectations for guests. Which
01:42:08 Speaker 36: again, some of those elements can
01:42:10 Speaker 36: be implemented through a site plan
01:42:11 Speaker 36: agreement. and some just general comments.
01:42:14 Speaker 36: Again, mostly related to kind of
01:42:16 Speaker 36: previous bylaw infractions on the site
01:42:19 Speaker 36: and whether these individuals should be
01:42:22 Speaker 36: given another chance. So, as noted
01:42:26 Speaker 36: at the beginning, staff are really
01:42:29 Speaker 36: treating this as a new application.
01:42:30 Speaker 36: Any structures that were built prior
01:42:32 Speaker 36: to approval without a building permit
01:42:34 Speaker 36: will be required to get retroactive
01:42:36 Speaker 36: building permits. Some of those structures
01:42:37 Speaker 36: are likely going to need to
01:42:39 Speaker 36: be relocated to conform to zoning
01:42:43 Speaker 36: bylaw requirements. So again, you know,
01:42:46 Speaker 36: I think certainly the applicants have
01:42:49 Speaker 36: have had a change of course
01:42:52 Speaker 36: throughout the the process of of
01:42:53 Speaker 36: putting together this application. But there
01:42:54 Speaker 36: is the expectation that all of
01:42:57 Speaker 36: those things would need to conform
01:43:00 Speaker 36: and and and and yes. So
01:43:03 Speaker 36: that's that's sort of how we've
01:43:05 Speaker 36: been dealing with that. Okay. And
01:43:08 Speaker 36: so we did get some supportive.
01:43:12 Speaker 36: comments as well, and I'll go
01:43:14 Speaker 36: through these quite quickly. But from
01:43:15 Speaker 36: an economic development perspective, we did
01:43:18 Speaker 36: hear from from local businesses looking
01:43:20 Speaker 36: for partnership opportunities with the event
01:43:23 Speaker 36: venue, suggesting you know there is
01:43:26 Speaker 36: a demand for eco retreats within
01:43:30 Speaker 36: the area, especially event venues
01:43:32 Speaker 36: that offer that offer both the
01:43:34 Speaker 36: guest accommodation and the event function
01:43:36 Speaker 36: space as well. So there was
01:43:39 Speaker 36: some general support there. From the
01:43:41 Speaker 36: natural environment, people felt it was
01:43:43 Speaker 36: a balanced approach. to kind of
01:43:45 Speaker 36: having the event venue within a
01:43:48 Speaker 36: limited area and and allowing guests
01:43:50 Speaker 36: to to use existing pathways throughout
01:43:53 Speaker 36: the forested areas to to be
01:43:55 Speaker 36: able to immerse themselves in nature
01:43:56 Speaker 36: as well. Just some general comments.
01:43:59 Speaker 36: One of the applicant, you know,
01:44:01 Speaker 36: does have some chronic health issues
01:44:04 Speaker 36: that she's been dealing with herself.
01:44:05 Speaker 36: So there was some suggestions from
01:44:06 Speaker 36: the app or from members of
01:44:09 Speaker 36: the public that she would be
01:44:12 Speaker 36: a good representative. here and would
01:44:14 Speaker 36: be able to to do to
01:44:16 Speaker 36: to make people feel comfortable in
01:44:18 Speaker 36: this type of environment. With regards
01:44:20 Speaker 36: to agency comments, no significant
01:44:23 Speaker 36: concerns from Gray Sauble, noting nothing
01:44:26 Speaker 36: should be located within the hazard
01:44:28 Speaker 36: lands, and permits will be required
01:44:30 Speaker 36: within the regulated area. And Bridge
01:44:32 Speaker 36: Gas had no concerns. As noted,
01:44:34 Speaker 36: the municipality of Gray Highlands planner
01:44:36 Speaker 36: recommended support for the county OPA.
01:44:37 Speaker 36: Report for the County OPA, but
01:44:39 Speaker 36: during their June 18, 2025, Council
01:44:41 Speaker 36: meeting, the motion to support the
01:44:44 Speaker 36: OPA 22 based on the staff
01:44:47 Speaker 36: recommendation resulted in a lost vote
01:44:49 Speaker 36: by Council. There, no further resolution
01:44:54 Speaker 36: or motion was passed at that
01:44:57 Speaker 36: stage. So, just in summary, what
01:44:59 Speaker 36: we heard and the impact to
01:45:04 Speaker 36: the application. So, overall, during our
01:45:06 Speaker 36: pre-consultation discussions, as Christine noted, they
01:45:09 Speaker 36: had originally wanted. to have 150
01:45:10 Speaker 37: guests at any time. This has
01:45:13 Speaker 37: changed to 95 guests up to
01:45:17 Speaker 37: 12 times per year, or 50
01:45:19 Speaker 37: at any time. Again, the hours
01:45:20 Speaker 37: of operation were originally any time
01:45:22 Speaker 37: until midnight. This has been reduced
01:45:23 Speaker 37: to 11:30 on weekends and 11:00
01:45:25 Speaker 37: p.m. on weekdays. The OPA area
01:45:26 Speaker 37: has been adjusted from over two
01:45:28 Speaker 37: hectares to 1.05 hectares to prevent
01:45:29 Speaker 37: scaling up in the future without
01:45:32 Speaker 37: a further county official plan amendment.
01:45:34 Speaker 37: The historic hangar will not be
01:45:36 Speaker 37: used for events and has been
01:45:38 Speaker 37: excluded from the special event venue
01:45:40 Speaker 37: area. Meaning, all amplified noise will
01:45:42 Speaker 38: be located within the hall structure.
01:45:45 Speaker 38: The applicants will undertake a servicing
01:45:48 Speaker 38: agreement and an operational agreement, which
01:45:49 Speaker 38: will include noise monitoring through a
01:45:53 Speaker 38: future site plan approval process. All
01:45:55 Speaker 38: non-complying structures will be removed or
01:45:57 Speaker 38: relocated. All existing and new structures
01:46:01 Speaker 38: shall conform to the zoning bylaw
01:46:04 Speaker 38: setbacks and Ontario Building Code. and
01:46:07 Speaker 38: again, noise monitoring will occur at
01:46:10 Speaker 38: all events. The owners or their
01:46:12 Speaker 38: constituents will be on site at
01:46:16 Speaker 38: all times, and have created an
01:46:20 Speaker 38: event rules document to be enforced
01:46:22 Speaker 38: for all guests under contract through
01:46:25 Speaker 38: the guests. So, with that in
01:46:26 Speaker 36: mind, we do recommend that this
01:46:29 Speaker 36: report be received, and that council
01:46:31 Speaker 36: support the staff recommendation and direct
01:46:34 Speaker 36: staff to prepare a bylaw for
01:46:35 Speaker 36: approval by County Council. Thank you.
01:46:37 Speaker 36: Okay, thank you very much, Miss
01:46:39 Speaker 36: Hillier. So that allows us to
01:46:41 Speaker 36: put it out to committee, the
01:46:44 Speaker 36: whole members for questions and comments.
01:46:45 Speaker 36: And I guess, I, I guess
01:46:48 Speaker 36: perhaps, Madam Clerk, if we clear
01:46:49 Speaker 36: the screen so we can see
01:46:51 Speaker 36: who's virtual as well. But perhaps
01:46:52 Speaker 36: if there is a specific item
01:46:54 Speaker 36: that somebody has a question to,
01:46:58 Speaker 36: we might need to call your
01:46:59 Speaker 36: presentation material back up again. Okay.
01:47:00 Speaker 36: so with that, I'm going to
01:47:02 Speaker 36: look. I'm going to begin with
01:47:03 Speaker 36: Councillor Greg. Thank you, and I'd
01:47:05 Speaker 36: like to ask two questions before
01:47:08 Speaker 36: speaking to the item again in
01:47:10 Speaker 36: the future. But two specific questions,
01:47:12 Speaker 36: if I could have answered, please.
01:47:13 Speaker 36: One of the deputations spoke to
01:47:15 Speaker 39: the noise study being simulated rather
01:47:18 Speaker 39: than technical. I'm wondering if if
01:47:20 Speaker 39: staff can address this that comment
01:47:22 Speaker 39: from a presenter as well. What
01:47:24 Speaker 39: is the penalty within the zone?
01:47:25 Speaker 39: Penalty within the zoning bylaw on
01:47:27 Speaker 39: violations. What is the the fine
01:47:29 Speaker 39: process, the amount, and how is
01:47:32 Speaker 39: it applied? And through which municipality
01:47:34 Speaker 39: does enforcement? I presume Grey Highlands,
01:47:37 Speaker 39: but the matter is before us
01:47:39 Speaker 39: in this report. Okay, so I'll
01:47:40 Speaker 40: put that question to staff. Yeah,
01:47:44 Speaker 40: thank you for those questions. With
01:47:45 Speaker 40: regards to the noise study, that's
01:47:49 Speaker 40: that. The noise study—that's that's a
01:47:55 Speaker 40: good question. So, I'm not—I'm not
01:47:59 Speaker 40: actually sure about that. I'm—I—I'm not
01:48:01 Speaker 40: a noise study expert, and which
01:48:03 Speaker 40: was the reason why we had
01:48:04 Speaker 36: it peer reviewed. To be honest,
01:48:07 Speaker 36: it was one of the cleaner
01:48:09 Speaker 36: peer reviews that I've ever seen.
01:48:12 Speaker 36: You know, it did recommend a
01:48:13 Speaker 36: few small changes or additions to
01:48:14 Speaker 36: some of the work that was
01:48:17 Speaker 36: done. But yeah, I—I'm not sure,
01:48:19 Speaker 36: and that it's a good question,
01:48:22 Speaker 36: but I would have to double
01:48:25 Speaker 36: check on that. Okay, and I
01:48:26 Speaker 36: do see. Director Taylor has raised
01:48:28 Speaker 36: his hand. Sorry, through you, Madam
01:48:30 Speaker 36: Warden, just to build on what
01:48:32 Speaker 36: Becky said. Most noise studies that
01:48:34 Speaker 36: we deal with, particularly for any
01:48:36 Speaker 36: kind of concert or event venue
01:48:39 Speaker 36: use, are almost always simulated, simply
01:48:40 Speaker 36: because they don't have permission to
01:48:42 Speaker 36: be operating the events just yet.
01:48:44 Speaker 36: When we're dealing with an industrial
01:48:46 Speaker 36: noise study where we know, you
01:48:47 Speaker 36: know, a widget making machine operates
01:48:50 Speaker 36: in thirty other facilities and generates
01:48:52 Speaker 36: X number of decibels, then they
01:48:54 Speaker 36: can deal. with exactly what that
01:48:56 Speaker 36: noise is. But when we're dealing
01:48:59 Speaker 36: with event facilities or concert venues
01:49:00 Speaker 36: of that nature, then it's almost
01:49:03 Speaker 36: always a simulated. But as Becky
01:49:04 Speaker 36: has noted, if approved, there's requirements
01:49:05 Speaker 36: for monitoring to ensure that what
01:49:07 Speaker 36: is actually occurring on site is
01:49:09 Speaker 36: is as per what the simulation
01:49:14 Speaker 36: was, so to speak. Okay. So,
01:49:16 Speaker 36: Councillor Gray, was there a follow
01:49:18 Speaker 36: up to that then, or afterward?
01:49:20 Speaker 36: Second question is good enough. Is
01:49:22 Speaker 36: good now, regarding the penalties. Okay,
01:49:23 Speaker 36: Cecilia. Yeah, thanks for that. So,
01:49:25 Speaker 36: yeah, I I don't want to
01:49:28 Speaker 36: speak on behalf of of Grey
01:49:29 Speaker 36: Highlands Noise Bylaw. So it is
01:49:32 Speaker 36: a Grey Highlands bylaw, and I'm
01:49:34 Speaker 36: assuming it would be their bylaw
01:49:36 Speaker 36: enforcement officers who would be enforcing
01:49:38 Speaker 36: that. I did have a look
01:49:41 Speaker 36: at it. I know that they
01:49:43 Speaker 36: do have a process for exemptions
01:49:44 Speaker 36: through the bylaw. Law, I believe
01:49:47 Speaker 36: it is kind of by event
01:49:49 Speaker 36: that that is formulated. So, because
01:49:51 Speaker 36: this is a event venue, I
01:49:53 Speaker 36: imagine that would be a fairly
01:49:54 Speaker 36: labourious process for every time there's
01:49:56 Speaker 36: an event to seek that exemption.
01:49:58 Speaker 36: Which I believe is why the
01:50:01 Speaker 36: applicants are looking to do that
01:50:02 Speaker 36: through a zoning bylaw approach. It
01:50:04 Speaker 36: is an unusual approach. It certainly
01:50:08 Speaker 36: was something that was discussed at
01:50:09 Speaker 36: Grey Highlands as whether that is
01:50:10 Speaker 36: an appropriate approach to do that,
01:50:11 Speaker 36: or whether that is again something
01:50:14 Speaker 36: that could be dealt with. more
01:50:16 Speaker 36: concretely through a site plan agreement,
01:50:16 Speaker 36: for example, that that spelled out
01:50:18 Speaker 36: those hours of operation. With regards
01:50:20 Speaker 36: to the fine, I believe there
01:50:21 Speaker 36: were some fines within the bylaw.
01:50:23 Speaker 36: I don't remember what they were
01:50:26 Speaker 36: offhand. I don't know if there's
01:50:30 Speaker 36: Grey Highlands staff who may be
01:50:32 Speaker 10: more familiar with that bylaw who
01:50:34 Speaker 10: want to speak to that. But
01:50:36 Speaker 10: yeah, that that is certainly something
01:50:37 Speaker 10: that would be a something for
01:50:38 Speaker 10: Grey Highlands to look at. as
01:50:40 Speaker 10: a next step through the zoning
01:50:40 Speaker 10: approval process of, you know, is
01:50:42 Speaker 10: does it make the most sense
01:50:45 Speaker 10: to have that within the zoning
01:50:47 Speaker 10: bylaw, or is there another means
01:50:49 Speaker 10: of of spelling that out? And,
01:50:50 Speaker 10: you know, I think for the
01:50:52 Speaker 10: applicant's benefit, putting the hours of
01:50:53 Speaker 10: operation, putting the exemption within the
01:50:55 Speaker 10: the zoning bylaw, I think it
01:50:56 Speaker 10: was a good approach for the
01:50:58 Speaker 10: purposes of of a transparent public
01:51:00 Speaker 10: discussion, because having that kind of
01:51:02 Speaker 10: within the zoning bylaw really sets
01:51:03 Speaker 10: the framework. for expectations for the
01:51:07 Speaker 10: public of what to expect. There,
01:51:08 Speaker 10: there is no public process for
01:51:10 Speaker 10: site plan agreements, for example. So,
01:51:13 Speaker 10: I think having that as part
01:51:15 Speaker 10: of the public record is helpful.
01:51:16 Speaker 10: But whether that is permanently situated
01:51:18 Speaker 10: within that zoning bylaw forevermore or
01:51:21 Speaker 10: not, I think is something that
01:51:22 Speaker 10: Grey Highlands will need to have
01:51:24 Speaker 10: a look at as the next
01:51:27 Speaker 10: step. Okay, we'll go on to
01:51:29 Speaker 10: other questions. We'll go to Councillor
01:51:31 Speaker 10: Nielsen, and then we'll go to
01:51:34 Speaker 10: Councillor Mackey after that. thank you
01:51:37 Speaker 10: very much, Gordon. I do have
01:51:38 Speaker 10: a couple of questions and a
01:51:41 Speaker 10: couple of comments. Um, for clarity,
01:51:43 Speaker 10: for County Council, the lost vote
01:51:45 Speaker 10: at Gray Highlands was a seven
01:51:49 Speaker 10: to zero vote in support of
01:51:51 Speaker 10: moving forward with the County OP.
01:51:53 Speaker 10: Um, a comment around the comments
01:51:55 Speaker 10: from Becky on the profitability of
01:51:56 Speaker 10: the of a proposal. I don't
01:51:57 Speaker 10: feel that it's like our place
01:51:59 Speaker 10: to make a decision based upon
01:52:01 Speaker 10: whether or not a business is
01:52:02 Speaker 10: profitable. It's really up to the
01:52:04 Speaker 36: business owner to decide on how
01:52:06 Speaker 36: to make their business profitable. and
01:52:08 Speaker 36: so making changes to a a
01:52:11 Speaker 36: property specifically so that they could
01:52:13 Speaker 36: be profitable, either be increasing the
01:52:17 Speaker 36: number of guests that can come
01:52:19 Speaker 36: or increasing number of events, really
01:52:22 Speaker 36: isn't something that should be considered
01:52:24 Speaker 36: with when we're talking about planning.
01:52:27 Speaker 36: Which, as I've been repeatedly bashed
01:52:29 Speaker 36: over the head, is land use
01:52:31 Speaker 36: only and not necessarily what the
01:52:33 Speaker 36: profitability of that land use. I
01:52:36 Speaker 36: do have a couple of questions.
01:52:37 Speaker 36: My first question is regarding OP
01:52:39 Speaker 36: amendment today. So today there were
01:52:40 Speaker 36: questions for county staff to approve.
01:52:47 Speaker 36: I'm sorry, county. Have to approve,
01:52:49 Speaker 36: or sorry, county council to approve,
01:52:50 Speaker 36: but the zoning bylaw that has
01:52:51 Speaker 36: the restrictions, that has the requirements,
01:52:53 Speaker 10: that has the temporary use on
01:52:56 Speaker 10: the on the septic. Once the
01:52:57 Speaker 10: OP is passed, that is a
01:52:59 Speaker 10: land use that's of nowability on
01:53:00 Speaker 10: that land and property and site
01:53:02 Speaker 10: specific. How does that process work?
01:53:03 Speaker 10: If Gray Highlands denies the zoning,
01:53:06 Speaker 10: but now the county has already
01:53:08 Speaker 10: officially plan changed the abilities of
01:53:12 Speaker 10: this property. How is there protections
01:53:13 Speaker 10: for the county? to rescind that
01:53:15 Speaker 10: official plan change if the zoning
01:53:16 Speaker 10: doesn't go through, or what is
01:53:17 Speaker 10: that process? Please, I have two
01:53:19 Speaker 10: other questions too. Yeah, thanks, thanks
01:53:20 Speaker 10: for that question. And yeah, that's
01:53:21 Speaker 10: certainly something that we've we've been
01:53:23 Speaker 10: asking ourselves as well. Of kind
01:53:25 Speaker 10: of what are the all the
01:53:27 Speaker 10: what ifs of based on a
01:53:29 Speaker 10: decision on this file of if
01:53:30 Speaker 10: the county were to approve and
01:53:31 Speaker 10: Great Highlands were to refuse? Sort
01:53:33 Speaker 10: of what are the potential implications
01:53:35 Speaker 10: of that? You know, of course
01:53:37 Speaker 10: there are appeal. rights for Gray
01:53:38 Speaker 10: Highlands for the applicants on whatever
01:53:39 Speaker 10: decision is made by either council.
01:53:41 Speaker 10: You know, certainly it would be
01:53:43 Speaker 10: the prerogative of Gray Highlands, even
01:53:44 Speaker 10: if County Council decides to approve
01:53:46 Speaker 10: the OPA, Gray Highlands could still
01:53:47 Speaker 10: choose to refuse the ZBA. It
01:53:50 Speaker 10: does kind of raise the question
01:53:53 Speaker 10: of, you know, from from a
01:53:55 Speaker 10: next step for the applicants, kind
01:53:56 Speaker 10: of what does that mean? Yeah.
01:53:57 Speaker 10: it certainly could get into appeal
01:53:59 Speaker 10: territory, but yeah, I don't want
01:54:01 Speaker 10: to speculate on that at this
01:54:02 Speaker 10: stage. Well, yeah, I'll maybe ask
01:54:03 Speaker 10: my next two questions quickly, so
01:54:05 Speaker 10: that way they could both be
01:54:07 Speaker 10: at the same time. Regarding the
01:54:08 Speaker 10: noise study, the hall event
01:54:09 Speaker 10: space itself has a retractable wall,
01:54:11 Speaker 10: right? Like the whole wall can
01:54:13 Speaker 10: open up. Was the noise study
01:54:14 Speaker 10: done with the wall closed, under
01:54:16 Speaker 10: the guidings that that's going to
01:54:19 Speaker 10: be how it operates, or with
01:54:20 Speaker 10: the wall open? to showcase the
01:54:21 Speaker 10: noise level coming out, the report
01:54:24 Speaker 10: itself and their own changes or
01:54:30 Speaker 10: comments speak to the idea
01:54:33 Speaker 10: that the wall will be open
01:54:35 Speaker 10: until such time as the noise
01:54:37 Speaker 10: bylaw kicks in at, like I
01:54:39 Speaker 10: think, 10 p.m. and when they're
01:54:41 Speaker 10: going to close the wall. So
01:54:44 Speaker 10: if we're looking at the impact
01:54:53 Speaker 10: to the environment and to nature
01:54:56 Speaker 10: and to the residents, you're saying
01:54:59 Speaker 10: that there's no wall there. Number
01:55:01 Speaker 36: two comment in terms of that
01:55:04 Speaker 36: is when we look at an
01:55:07 Speaker 36: event space in the middle of
01:55:09 Speaker 36: a city or an event space
01:55:11 Speaker 36: anywhere. else, the structure is pretty
01:55:13 Speaker 36: solid and built and constructed for
01:55:14 Speaker 36: to retain all the noise within
01:55:17 Speaker 36: that structure. If you go to
01:55:19 Speaker 36: an arena space in downtown Toronto,
01:55:20 Speaker 36: you stand outside, you're not hearing
01:55:21 Speaker 36: any of the noise from inside
01:55:24 Speaker 36: their building because the entire building
01:55:25 Speaker 36: is solid and sealed. This one
01:55:27 Speaker 36: has a retractable wall, and I
01:55:28 Speaker 36: just am curious as to the
01:55:30 Speaker 36: viability of that to actually retain
01:55:31 Speaker 36: the sounds. That's kind of why
01:55:33 Speaker 36: I'm looking at the health study
01:55:35 Speaker 36: there. And then the other question
01:55:37 Speaker 36: you've mentioned it, and I do
01:55:40 Speaker 36: appreciate the detail. to which you
01:55:43 Speaker 36: went into the report and your
01:55:44 Speaker 36: explanation to Ken and Council today,
01:55:46 Speaker 36: but when we look at like
01:55:48 Speaker 36: the it says in the report
01:55:50 Speaker 36: that the conservation authority doesn't have
01:55:52 Speaker 36: any questions or comment or any
01:55:54 Speaker 36: proposals against the proposal other than
01:55:57 Speaker 36: the idea of please move the
01:56:01 Speaker 36: things you've already built within the
01:56:03 Speaker 36: hazard lands. Like there's challenges to
01:56:04 Speaker 36: what's been done, and I realize
01:56:06 Speaker 36: we're looking at this as a
01:56:07 Speaker 36: new structure, but at what point
01:56:10 Speaker 36: do we consider the likelihood? of
01:56:13 Speaker 36: falling through with restrictions or implementations
01:56:16 Speaker 36: that get put in versus history
01:56:18 Speaker 36: of a proposal. So I guess
01:56:23 Speaker 36: my question is on the noise
01:56:24 Speaker 36: study itself: wall down or open,
01:56:30 Speaker 36: and then trying to understand new
01:56:32 Speaker 36: file versus history. Yeah. So if
01:56:34 Speaker 36: I recollect properly with the noise
01:56:38 Speaker 36: study, I believe. that they did
01:56:40 Speaker 36: look at both a closed and
01:56:41 Speaker 36: open scenario for those retractable doors,
01:56:45 Speaker 41: and yes, so they did. I
01:56:48 Speaker 41: think they're recommending that 10 p.m.
01:56:52 Speaker 41: is when all of the doors
01:56:56 Speaker 41: would be fully closed, which would
01:57:00 Speaker 41: then, of course, insulate the noise
01:57:03 Speaker 41: more fully. Again, you know that
01:57:05 Speaker 41: 10 p.m. is not part of
01:57:07 Speaker 41: the zoning at this stage. I
01:57:09 Speaker 41: think that's a number that we
01:57:12 Speaker 41: can still work with, if you
01:57:14 Speaker 41: know if we're looking for an
01:57:16 Speaker 41: earlier time for. example, you know,
01:57:19 Speaker 41: I think that's still a discussion
01:57:21 Speaker 41: that can be explored as an
01:57:23 Speaker 41: next step with the applicants, either
01:57:31 Speaker 41: through that zoning or or through
01:57:32 Speaker 41: that site plan application process. That's
01:57:34 Speaker 41: just the number that's been presented
01:57:36 Speaker 36: at this stage. With regards to
01:57:39 Speaker 36: that history, again, yeah, I think
01:57:40 Speaker 36: to your to your point about
01:57:43 Speaker 36: the conservation authority's comments, and just
01:57:44 Speaker 36: for everyone's benefit, I think that
01:57:46 Speaker 36: there was maybe one tent platform
01:57:48 Speaker 36: that the conservation authority had flagged
01:57:50 Speaker 36: was located within the hazard lands.
01:57:52 Speaker 36: and again, so any non-complying structures
01:57:55 Speaker 36: would be would be required to
01:57:56 Speaker 36: comply. So they would all need
01:57:59 Speaker 36: to be situated, of course, outside
01:58:00 Speaker 36: of the hazard lands, and and
01:58:02 Speaker 36: would have to conform to all
01:58:05 Speaker 36: the required setbacks and boundaries. And
01:58:06 Speaker 36: you know, luckily, a lot of
01:58:08 Speaker 36: what they have constructed are mostly
01:58:09 Speaker 36: just platforms at this stage, so
01:58:10 Speaker 36: they are fairly movable. Okay, thank
01:58:12 Speaker 36: you. We're going to go to
01:58:14 Speaker 36: Councillor Mackey next. Thank you, Warden.
01:58:16 Speaker 36: My questions, after all those questions
01:58:16 Speaker 36: from Councillor Nielsen, have been answered.
01:58:20 Speaker 36: Thank you. Okay, thank you. Are
01:58:23 Speaker 36: there any further questions then from
01:58:26 Speaker 36: any other members? I will go
01:58:30 Speaker 36: to Councillor Kenner. Thank you, and
01:58:32 Speaker 36: through you, Warden Matrasovsa. Two concerns
01:58:34 Speaker 36: here, and the first one has
01:58:37 Speaker 36: to do. with relief against the
01:58:38 Speaker 36: noise situation. It seems unusual that
01:58:40 Speaker 36: it is extended well past you
01:58:41 Speaker 36: know bedtime for a lot of
01:58:44 Speaker 36: people, and the other one has
01:58:45 Speaker 36: to do with an extension of
01:58:47 Speaker 36: relief from the the need for
01:58:49 Speaker 36: a septic system. And I just
01:58:51 Speaker 36: are we setting precedents here with
01:58:55 Speaker 36: these two situations, or are we
01:58:57 Speaker 36: are there other examples where we
01:59:01 Speaker 36: have provided this kind of relief
01:59:02 Speaker 36: to other other operators. Thank you.
01:59:03 Speaker 36: Yeah, so that again, that relief
01:59:07 Speaker 36: against the noise bylaw that that
01:59:09 Speaker 36: is personally a new one for
01:59:13 Speaker 36: me. Um, seeing that within a
01:59:15 Speaker 36: zoning bylaw. Um, and again, I
01:59:17 Speaker 36: you know I think it was
01:59:18 Speaker 36: um a good decision um by
01:59:21 Speaker 36: the applicant to include that in
01:59:23 Speaker 36: there because it's become part of
01:59:26 Speaker 36: that public discussion, and I I
01:59:27 Speaker 36: think that's. Discussion and I think
01:59:29 Speaker 36: that's important to have. Again, whether
01:59:32 Speaker 36: or not that lies within that
01:59:34 Speaker 36: zoning bylaw amendment or not, again,
01:59:37 Speaker 36: is I think the discretion of
01:59:38 Speaker 36: of Gray Highlands and and sort
01:59:40 Speaker 36: of how they're interpreting that that
01:59:42 Speaker 36: noise bylaw and and how those
01:59:43 Speaker 36: exemption processes can work internally for
01:59:45 Speaker 36: them. And so, yeah, I don't
01:59:53 Speaker 36: I don't necessarily want to speculate
01:59:55 Speaker 36: too much about that, not knowing
01:59:57 Speaker 36: kind of the full history of
02:00:02 Speaker 36: how that's been implemented in the
02:00:03 Speaker 36: past. There, with regards to septic
02:00:07 Speaker 12: system, and yes, I fully agree.
02:00:11 Speaker 12: It is a bit of an
02:00:12 Speaker 12: unusual system. A bit of an
02:00:12 Speaker 12: unusual situation. I know recently in
02:00:14 Speaker 12: Gray Highlands there was another accommodation
02:00:17 Speaker 12: facility right on Lake Eugenia that
02:00:19 Speaker 12: was proposing portable toilets, sort of
02:00:20 Speaker 12: indefinitely into the future as a
02:00:22 Speaker 12: sort of the the form of
02:00:23 Speaker 12: servicing for that proposal. And you
02:00:24 Speaker 12: know, I I I didn't love
02:00:27 Speaker 12: that approach. I didn't really feel
02:00:29 Speaker 12: that that met kind of the
02:00:33 Speaker 12: requirements of the PPS or the
02:00:35 Speaker 12: OP in terms of you know
02:00:37 Speaker 12: the types of services. You know
02:00:40 Speaker 12: the the types of servicing that
02:00:42 Speaker 12: would be permitted into the long
02:00:45 Speaker 12: term. For this one in particular,
02:00:47 Speaker 12: I think, provided that the frameworks
02:00:51 Speaker 12: are in place to ensure that
02:00:57 Speaker 12: they can get to that future
02:01:01 Speaker 12: system that is going to be
02:01:02 Speaker 12: viable and will be the best
02:01:05 Speaker 12: case scenario, it's something that I
02:01:07 Speaker 12: I I can support and and
02:01:09 Speaker 12: get behind. And especially acknowledging the
02:01:11 Speaker 12: servicing report has confirmed already, even
02:01:13 Speaker 12: with the existing. zoning in place
02:01:17 Speaker 12: for the health spa and the
02:01:20 Speaker 12: trailers on site, those existing septic
02:01:21 Speaker 12: systems are already above capacity. So,
02:01:25 Speaker 12: kind of knowing all of those
02:01:26 Speaker 12: things, you know, the servicing study
02:01:28 Speaker 12: really did stress, you know, we
02:01:31 Speaker 12: need to actually convert to the
02:01:32 Speaker 12: portable systems. These shouldn't really be
02:01:34 Speaker 12: used anymore. And so, just to
02:01:35 Speaker 12: give them time to to do
02:01:36 Speaker 14: that, because I do understand it
02:01:38 Speaker 14: is quite a big expense installing
02:01:39 Speaker 14: that. We did feel it was
02:01:42 Speaker 14: fair to allow. them three years
02:01:46 Speaker 14: to to be able to do
02:01:48 Speaker 14: that. Okay, so I see that
02:01:49 Speaker 14: concludes with Councillor Katner. I see
02:01:51 Speaker 14: Councillor Body and then Councillor McQueen.
02:01:53 Speaker 14: Councillor Body first. Um, thank you,
02:01:55 Speaker 14: Warden. First of all, want to
02:01:57 Speaker 14: thank Planning. Very detailed report, Becky.
02:01:59 Speaker 14: Thank you. Obviously, there has been
02:02:00 Speaker 14: a lot of hard work. and
02:02:02 Speaker 14: I wouldn't want to count the
02:02:04 Speaker 14: number of hours that have gone
02:02:06 Speaker 14: into this. And the easiest answer
02:02:08 Speaker 14: for planning is to say no.
02:02:09 Speaker 14: And you've clearly done everything you
02:02:10 Speaker 14: can to try and chip off
02:02:13 Speaker 14: the corners of a square block
02:02:14 Speaker 14: to try and get into a
02:02:16 Speaker 14: round hall. I think I'm probably
02:02:18 Speaker 14: consistent that I'm always complaining about
02:02:20 Speaker 14: urban development on rural services and
02:02:21 Speaker 14: that they need to be on
02:02:23 Speaker 14: urban services. This is much the
02:02:24 Speaker 14: same. The septic system, even when
02:02:25 Speaker 14: it's put in to have up
02:02:27 Speaker 14: to ninety-five people plus plus staff,
02:02:29 Speaker 14: is going to be one heck
02:02:31 Speaker 14: of a system. That's that's a
02:02:32 Speaker 14: rural septic system. Becky's indicated that
02:02:34 Speaker 14: you know we policy-wise probably be
02:02:35 Speaker 14: okay with that. From my point
02:02:38 Speaker 14: of view, to be consistent, I'm
02:02:39 Speaker 14: I'm not okay with that. That
02:02:41 Speaker 14: type of service and and Service
02:02:43 Speaker 14: in in a rural area, but
02:02:45 Speaker 14: thanks to staff, are really working
02:02:46 Speaker 14: hard to try and make this
02:02:49 Speaker 14: work. Okay, so next we go
02:02:51 Speaker 14: over to Councillor McQueen. Thank you,
02:02:54 Speaker 14: Madam Warden, and good words from
02:02:55 Speaker 14: Councillor Body. That staff has been
02:02:56 Speaker 14: a lot of work here for
02:02:58 Speaker 14: sure. A couple things, and I
02:02:59 Speaker 14: apologize for my street Google or
02:03:02 Speaker 14: whatever went off because I thought
02:03:04 Speaker 14: you turned on volume off and
02:03:08 Speaker 14: it doesn't work. But I was
02:03:09 Speaker 14: trying to figure out some kilometres
02:03:11 Speaker 14: and. part of that. I wanted
02:03:13 Speaker 14: to talk about the noise exemption
02:03:14 Speaker 14: first. Generally, at Green Highlands, we
02:03:15 Speaker 14: will we request for noise if
02:03:17 Speaker 14: it's a one-off event. A lot
02:03:18 Speaker 14: of times, if somebody's having an
02:03:20 Speaker 14: event at their property, or we
02:03:21 Speaker 14: just had one for the Markdale
02:03:22 Speaker 14: Agricultural Society for their fair. You
02:03:25 Speaker 14: know, a lot of those are
02:03:27 Speaker 14: sort of one-offs type of things
02:03:28 Speaker 14: that you know that we would
02:03:30 Speaker 14: consider. So, you know, I mean,
02:03:31 Speaker 14: I'm sure that's in a lot
02:03:32 Speaker 14: of people's playlists. but I think
02:03:34 Speaker 14: I you know, and I want
02:03:36 Speaker 14: to say also I you know
02:03:39 Speaker 14: I don't think we're a can't
02:03:41 Speaker 14: economic development you know a place
02:03:42 Speaker 14: for people to really to have
02:03:45 Speaker 14: a business to to make things
02:03:49 Speaker 14: happen to to have a venue
02:03:51 Speaker 14: to have accommodations because I know
02:03:53 Speaker 14: a big part and we're all
02:03:54 Speaker 14: part of of Gray County is
02:03:56 Speaker 14: word of people's state we don't
02:03:58 Speaker 14: have hotels we don't have a
02:04:00 Speaker 14: lot of stuff there's other venues
02:04:01 Speaker 14: for that and hey you know
02:04:03 Speaker 14: what getting married out in in
02:04:05 Speaker 14: the you know like I think
02:04:06 Speaker 14: Becky you you raised a good
02:04:07 Speaker 14: point. You raise a good point.
02:04:10 Speaker 14: You know, where's a good place
02:04:11 Speaker 14: to have an officiation of of
02:04:14 Speaker 14: your wedding? You know, people like
02:04:15 Speaker 14: that natural setting and that type
02:04:16 Speaker 14: of thing for sure. And and
02:04:18 Speaker 14: and that, but I think it
02:04:22 Speaker 42: comes back. It's about the bigger
02:04:28 Speaker 42: part, along with other. It's the
02:04:30 Speaker 42: noise, noise concerns is is what's
02:04:32 Speaker 42: been coming back more and more.
02:04:34 Speaker 42: You know, and I think we
02:04:37 Speaker 22: got to appreciate. I think it
02:04:41 Speaker 22: was made in the from the
02:04:44 Speaker 22: first lady that spoke about eight
02:04:45 Speaker 22: homes in in in the close
02:04:51 Speaker 22: proximity, which we know are in
02:04:52 Speaker 22: that area. and you know, you
02:04:54 Speaker 22: know, as I think Mr. Kentner
02:04:56 Speaker 22: said that you know we certain
02:04:58 Speaker 22: times at night we sort of
02:04:59 Speaker 22: want to shut things down and
02:05:01 Speaker 22: we don't want noise that long.
02:05:06 Speaker 22: So I was doing a little
02:05:07 Speaker 22: bit of a calculation, and I
02:05:08 Speaker 22: think it was mentioned that there
02:05:11 Speaker 22: are two wedding barns within the
02:05:18 Speaker 22: area, and wedding barns are probably
02:05:19 Speaker 22: on an agricultural area where there's
02:05:21 Speaker 36: bigger spaces. I mean, no doubt,
02:05:24 Speaker 36: and reason, good reason for that.
02:05:27 Speaker 36: And they they weren't a walk
02:05:30 Speaker 36: in a park either, both wedding
02:05:32 Speaker 36: barns. There was a lot of
02:05:34 Speaker 36: black. There was a lot of
02:05:37 Speaker 36: back and forth, but not a
02:05:38 Speaker 36: lot of time spent. But I
02:05:41 Speaker 36: was doing a calculation to the
02:05:42 Speaker 36: closest community centre, is the Osprey
02:05:44 Speaker 36: Community Centre, which is 14
02:05:46 Speaker 36: kilometres away. You know, and and
02:05:50 Speaker 36: I've said this before. You know,
02:05:54 Speaker 36: have the wedding, have your your
02:05:56 Speaker 36: your evening dinner, and then throughout,
02:06:02 Speaker 36: we all have in our municipalities,
02:06:05 Speaker 43: we have community centres to host
02:06:09 Speaker 43: those events and those fun times.
02:06:10 Speaker 43: Like we, a wedding is a
02:06:14 Speaker 43: celebration of life. It's a it's
02:06:16 Speaker 43: a fun thing. People. The fun
02:06:19 Speaker 43: thing, people, you know, you want
02:06:21 Speaker 43: to celebrate. Noise happens, and I
02:06:23 Speaker 43: don't think I don't think anybody
02:06:26 Speaker 43: here would argue against that, you
02:06:28 Speaker 43: know. And then, you know, if
02:06:32 Speaker 43: there's some alcohol involved, maybe the
02:06:34 Speaker 43: tunage gets a little higher too.
02:06:36 Speaker 43: So, I think it goes back
02:06:38 Speaker 16: to the extension, you know. I
02:06:42 Speaker 16: see it, and a lot of
02:06:45 Speaker 16: the biggest comments it goes into
02:06:47 Speaker 16: the extension into the evening. That
02:06:51 Speaker 16: is key issue here. Okay, thank
02:06:52 Speaker 16: you. And now we're. over to
02:06:55 Speaker 16: the deputy warden. Thank you, Madam
02:06:58 Speaker 16: Warden, and thank you, Becky, for
02:07:01 Speaker 16: the as Councillor Body mentioned a
02:07:05 Speaker 16: really good report. My question is
02:07:07 Speaker 16: related to what response, if any,
02:07:11 Speaker 16: did we get to the First
02:07:16 Speaker 16: Nations that we circulated this file
02:07:19 Speaker 16: to? Thank you. Yeah, thanks for
02:07:24 Speaker 16: that. We did certainly circulate to
02:07:26 Speaker 16: them. We also advise the applicant
02:07:29 Speaker 16: to reach out to them during
02:07:32 Speaker 16: the. pre-circulation stage, and to date,
02:07:35 Speaker 16: we haven't had any comments from
02:07:38 Speaker 16: from any of our First Nations
02:07:40 Speaker 16: partners on this one. Follow up.
02:07:43 Speaker 16: Just a quick follow up. Do
02:07:46 Speaker 16: we know whether the proponents actually
02:07:51 Speaker 16: engaged with the First Nations or
02:07:55 Speaker 16: or not? Please. Yeah, it's a
02:07:58 Speaker 16: good question. I'm actually not sure
02:08:01 Speaker 16: about that, and certainly since the
02:08:05 Speaker 16: time of of the pre-consultation for
02:08:07 Speaker 16: this one and. Consultation for this
02:08:09 Speaker 16: one, and even since the time
02:08:12 Speaker 16: it has been submitted, our ways
02:08:14 Speaker 16: of engaging and communicating with our
02:08:16 Speaker 16: First Nations partners has certainly evolved
02:08:19 Speaker 16: during during the past year and
02:08:22 Speaker 16: a half or so. So I'm
02:08:25 Speaker 16: not, I don't believe that they,
02:08:28 Speaker 16: or I'm actually not sure if
02:08:30 Speaker 16: they did engage with our First
02:08:35 Speaker 16: Nations partners during the pre-consultation stage.
02:08:37 Speaker 16: Certainly, they were circulated through the
02:09:30 Speaker 16: circulations, but no. I don't believe
02:09:32 Speaker 16: we had heard from them on
02:09:34 Speaker 16: this application. Final follow up, Deputy
02:09:36 Speaker 16: Warden. Thank you, Madam Warden. Just
02:09:38 Speaker 16: real quickly, I guess I would
02:09:42 Speaker 16: suggest that we should be making
02:09:43 Speaker 16: sure that the proponents do make
02:09:47 Speaker 16: contact with the First Nations. Just
02:09:52 Speaker 16: to assume they're going to leaves
02:09:54 Speaker 36: a little bit of room for
02:09:56 Speaker 36: a wiggle, so. Bit of room
02:09:59 Speaker 36: for wiggle. So anyway, thank you.
02:10:02 Speaker 36: Okay, we're going to go to
02:10:03 Speaker 36: Councillor Dobrin next, and then to
02:10:05 Speaker 36: Councillor Keaveny. Thank you, and through
02:10:07 Speaker 36: you, thank you, Becky. I too
02:10:10 Speaker 36: is going to ask about the
02:10:11 Speaker 36: First Nations because we had experience
02:10:12 Speaker 36: where we circulated, but it wasn't
02:10:14 Speaker 36: reaching anyone. So the lack of
02:10:16 Speaker 36: response or acknowledgement of an email,
02:10:18 Speaker 36: we shouldn't assume that. they received
02:10:19 Speaker 36: it and have no comment, because
02:10:22 Speaker 36: that has come back to be
02:10:24 Speaker 36: a problem. And certainly, archaeological studies
02:10:28 Speaker 36: are being asked for for severances.
02:10:31 Speaker 36: So this this might be another.
02:10:32 Speaker 36: But on the subject of my
02:10:35 Speaker 36: questions, Madam Warden, the temporary use,
02:10:37 Speaker 36: or sorry, the the deferral of
02:10:41 Speaker 36: the the septic for three years.
02:10:43 Speaker 36: would it be reasonable then to
02:10:45 Speaker 36: allow for a temporary use to
02:10:50 Speaker 36: monitor how what the impact on
02:10:54 Speaker 16: the community would be if this
02:10:59 Speaker 16: was approved? That is my first
02:11:03 Speaker 16: kind of concept. And are the
02:11:06 Speaker 16: portable toilets commercial toilets that would
02:11:08 Speaker 16: be you know circulated? I have
02:11:11 Speaker 16: personal experience of a quiet family
02:11:13 Speaker 16: trailer park. turned rural farm for
02:11:26 Speaker 16: hire, where groups and weddings come
02:11:27 Speaker 16: up to hootenoller and noise travels
02:11:28 Speaker 16: in rural Ontario. So, to the
02:11:29 Speaker 16: point of the more urban halls,
02:11:31 Speaker 16: they're more soundproofed. I have a
02:11:33 Speaker 16: con—I had a concern about the
02:11:35 Speaker 44: existing hall that was built without
02:11:38 Speaker 44: a permit. That it appears to
02:11:39 Speaker 44: be about three quarters glass. with
02:11:41 Speaker 44: a removable door to have music
02:11:44 Speaker 44: going all afternoon and evening, even
02:11:45 Speaker 44: up until ten, is fine if
02:11:47 Speaker 44: you like the music. But you
02:11:50 Speaker 44: know, music is not to everyone's
02:11:53 Speaker 44: taste, and again, the enforcement aspect
02:11:55 Speaker 44: of it. And I again, personal
02:11:57 Speaker 44: experience to people who don't understand.
02:12:00 Speaker 44: Round that is going to be,
02:12:02 Speaker 44: you know, a significant expense, and
02:12:04 Speaker 44: I and I understand that. But
02:12:06 Speaker 44: perhaps if they want to defer
02:12:07 Speaker 44: the requirement for septic, then perhaps.
02:12:09 Speaker 44: we could we could provide a
02:12:10 Speaker 44: temporary use to monitor the impact
02:12:12 Speaker 44: on the neighbours. Thank you so
02:12:14 Speaker 44: much for that question, Councillor Dobrin.
02:12:15 Speaker 44: And this was very much something
02:12:17 Speaker 44: that staff, county staff, and Grey
02:12:19 Speaker 44: Highlands staff had discussed, and which
02:12:21 Speaker 44: we also felt would be a
02:12:23 Speaker 44: really good route forward for this
02:12:25 Speaker 44: one is is looking at that
02:12:28 Speaker 44: temporary use bylaw for everyone's reference.
02:12:30 Speaker 44: Temporary. use bylaws can be put
02:12:31 Speaker 44: in place for a period of
02:12:33 Speaker 44: up to three years, which coincidentally
02:12:34 Speaker 44: is the time we're looking for
02:12:37 Speaker 44: to install that septic system. And
02:12:38 Speaker 44: and sort of given some of
02:12:40 Speaker 44: the concerns with previous bylaw infractions,
02:12:41 Speaker 44: we did feel that could be
02:12:43 Speaker 44: a fair route forward. The Grey
02:12:45 Speaker 44: Highlands planner actually within their recent
02:12:46 Speaker 44: staff report to Grey Highlands Council
02:12:48 Speaker 44: for June 18th had put forward
02:12:50 Speaker 44: that recommendation, which we had discussed
02:12:52 Speaker 44: beforehand. Miss Loft and her client
02:12:54 Speaker 44: were not in favour of that
02:12:56 Speaker 44: approach, and so that was not
02:12:57 Speaker 44: further discussed or voted upon by
02:12:59 Speaker 44: council at that stage. Follow up.
02:13:00 Speaker 44: Thank you. And because the septic
02:13:01 Speaker 44: for this size of use would
02:13:03 Speaker 44: be a significant expense, the three
02:13:04 Speaker 44: years would also. provide the proponent
02:13:05 Speaker 44: to monitor whether or not this
02:13:08 Speaker 44: is even a viable business model.
02:13:09 Speaker 44: Thank you, Director Taylor. Yeah, thank
02:13:11 Speaker 44: you for the comments and questions.
02:13:13 Speaker 44: I just want to respond to
02:13:15 Speaker 44: a few things that that we've
02:13:18 Speaker 44: heard here. I will get get
02:13:21 Speaker 44: to your question, Councillor Devereen, through
02:13:22 Speaker 44: you, Madam Warden, with respect to
02:13:24 Speaker 44: the. First Nations consultation, Becky alluded
02:13:26 Speaker 44: to it in some of her
02:13:28 Speaker 44: comments. As we heard at the
02:13:29 Speaker 44: the previous council meeting, we've we've
02:13:30 Speaker 44: been working quite closely with a
02:13:34 Speaker 44: number of our local First Nations
02:13:35 Speaker 44: through the archaeological management plan process,
02:13:37 Speaker 44: and we've looked to to step
02:13:38 Speaker 44: up our our communications and and
02:13:41 Speaker 44: and our relationship building in that
02:13:43 Speaker 44: regard. Just recently, on a staff
02:13:45 Speaker 44: to staff staff to staff level,
02:13:46 Speaker 44: we've set up regular monthly meetings
02:13:48 Speaker 44: with Saugeen Ojibway Nation Environment Office.
02:13:49 Speaker 44: Njibbey Nation Environment Office staff, just
02:13:52 Speaker 44: to make sure that nothing is
02:13:53 Speaker 44: slipping through the cracks there, and
02:13:57 Speaker 44: and certainly I don't want to
02:13:59 Speaker 44: speak on behalf of any First
02:14:00 Speaker 44: Nation or Mét organisation, but the
02:14:02 Speaker 44: one thing consistently that a number
02:14:04 Speaker 44: of them have told us is
02:14:05 Speaker 44: because their territories are so large,
02:14:06 Speaker 44: and because the scope of development
02:14:08 Speaker 44: interest in their territories are so
02:14:12 Speaker 44: large, they simply can't get to
02:14:12 Speaker 44: everything. And I'm I'm not speaking
02:14:14 Speaker 44: specifically to this Beacon proposal, but
02:14:18 Speaker 44: what they've noted to to staff
02:14:21 Speaker 44: in some of these discussions is
02:14:23 Speaker 44: that we need to work together.
02:14:24 Speaker 44: to understand what are the truly
02:14:26 Speaker 44: important ones to to their interests
02:14:28 Speaker 44: and and what ones that they
02:14:30 Speaker 44: may have less interest in. But
02:14:33 Speaker 44: so I mentioned the the
02:14:35 Speaker 44: one on one meetings with the
02:14:37 Speaker 44: Selk'nam Injibway Nation staff. We've also
02:14:39 Speaker 44: recently had a staff to staff
02:14:41 Speaker 44: meeting with staff from the Six
02:14:42 Speaker 44: Nations of the Grand River. Again,
02:14:45 Speaker 44: we've similar to Councillor Millen's comments
02:14:47 Speaker 44: or Deputy Warden Millen's comments. We've
02:14:49 Speaker 44: we've ensured that that we are
02:14:51 Speaker 44: talking to the right people and
02:14:55 Speaker 44: it's not going to a dead
02:14:57 Speaker 44: inbox in that regard. Certainly, if
02:14:59 Speaker 44: it was Councillor's will, we could
02:15:00 Speaker 44: reach back out to. the First
02:15:02 Speaker 44: Nations or Mét organisations in this
02:15:05 Speaker 44: regard, but I did just want
02:15:07 Speaker 44: to give an update there with
02:15:12 Speaker 44: respect to to our practices. With
02:15:15 Speaker 44: respect to some of the comments
02:15:17 Speaker 44: about the temporary uses and and
02:15:19 Speaker 44: the septic system and the like,
02:15:22 Speaker 44: I do just want to be
02:15:24 Speaker 44: cautious that that we are focusing
02:15:26 Speaker 44: our discussions on the county official
02:15:28 Speaker 44: plan amendment. Certainly, Grey Highlands has
02:15:30 Speaker 44: lots of tools at their disposal
02:15:31 Speaker 44: with respect to a zoning bylaw
02:15:37 Speaker 44: amendment. They could include a holding
02:15:37 Speaker 44: system. They could, as Misselier has
02:15:42 Speaker 45: noted. As Miss Hillier has noted,
02:15:44 Speaker 45: go through the site plan control
02:15:46 Speaker 45: process, but we have limited tools
02:15:48 Speaker 45: at our disposal with respect to
02:15:50 Speaker 45: the official plan amendment. So, if
02:15:52 Speaker 45: Council were to see fit to
02:15:53 Speaker 45: pass an official plan amendment, that
02:15:56 Speaker 45: amendment is permanent. We don't have
02:15:58 Speaker 45: the ability to do a temporary
02:16:00 Speaker 45: official plan amendment or a three-year
02:16:02 Speaker 45: official plan amendment. In regard, as
02:16:06 Speaker 45: Miss Hillier has noted, that is
02:16:08 Speaker 45: fully within the realm of of
02:16:09 Speaker 45: of a municipality with respect to
02:16:10 Speaker 45: zoning by amendment. She stated that
02:16:11 Speaker 45: the proponent and and their their
02:16:16 Speaker 45: H. And their agent, Ms. Loft,
02:16:17 Speaker 45: were not in favour of that
02:16:19 Speaker 45: approach. But there are those tools
02:16:21 Speaker 45: with respect to the site plan
02:16:23 Speaker 45: and agreements in that regard. The
02:16:26 Speaker 45: only other thing I'd say with
02:16:28 Speaker 45: respect to the septic system and
02:16:30 Speaker 45: event facilities across the county is
02:16:31 Speaker 45: we do have a number of
02:16:34 Speaker 46: event facilities across the county that
02:16:37 Speaker 46: are already operating that use portable
02:16:39 Speaker 46: toilets as their primary means. Certainly,
02:16:42 Speaker 46: we think to those facilities that
02:16:46 Speaker 46: might only have one or two
02:16:48 Speaker 46: events a year and have large
02:16:51 Speaker 46: numbers of crowds. We heard, you
02:16:53 Speaker 46: know, lots of comments today. Other
02:16:55 Speaker 46: things. Typically, when we're looking at
02:16:59 Speaker 46: relatively few events, definitely portable toilets
02:17:01 Speaker 46: are usually the way to go.
02:17:07 Speaker 46: Short of being situated at a
02:17:09 Speaker 46: local arena or community centre, they
02:17:10 Speaker 46: simply don't have the demand or
02:17:14 Speaker 46: the capacity available available to facilitate
02:17:15 Speaker 46: those. When we think about some
02:17:17 Speaker 46: of our our more rural celebrations,
02:17:21 Speaker 46: you know, maple syrup festivals or
02:17:24 Speaker 46: harvest festivals, again, those those portable
02:17:27 Speaker 47: toilets are are very much the
02:17:29 Speaker 47: way to go, as Becky has
02:17:31 Speaker 47: noted. Particularly on this one, when
02:17:35 Speaker 47: they're looking at multiple events a
02:17:36 Speaker 47: year, when we're looking at operating
02:17:38 Speaker 47: year-round, staff have pushed the proponent
02:17:39 Speaker 47: here for a more permanent solution.
02:17:43 Speaker 47: But if if Gray Highlands, through
02:17:46 Speaker 47: future applications, were to deem it
02:17:48 Speaker 47: appropriate to consider sort of a
02:17:49 Speaker 47: phase-in period where those temporary facilities
02:17:51 Speaker 47: could still be used in advance
02:17:54 Speaker 48: of the the formal septic. system
02:17:58 Speaker 48: and washrooms, I would say that's
02:18:00 Speaker 48: not completely inconsistent with how a
02:18:02 Speaker 48: number of other event facilities have
02:18:05 Speaker 48: been treated across the county in
02:18:07 Speaker 48: the past. Okay, thank you. We're
02:18:09 Speaker 48: going to go to Councillor Keaveny
02:18:12 Speaker 48: next. Thank you, Warden Matrasovs, and
02:18:14 Speaker 48: Director Taylor has predominantly just answered
02:18:17 Speaker 48: my question. I was going to
02:18:19 Speaker 49: ask about the enforcement capabilities if
02:18:22 Speaker 49: the proponent, after three years, determined
02:18:24 Speaker 49: that they couldn't go. forward for
02:18:30 Speaker 36: whatever reason with the septic system,
02:18:32 Speaker 36: you know what was our ability
02:18:34 Speaker 36: or Grey Highlands' ability to enforce,
02:18:38 Speaker 36: or could they ask for an
02:18:39 Speaker 36: extension? So I think that's predominantly
02:18:41 Speaker 36: been covered. Thank you. Okay, thank
02:18:43 Speaker 36: you. And okay, I saw two
02:18:51 Speaker 36: hands go up. Once we're going
02:18:53 Speaker 36: to go to Councillor Carlton, and
02:18:54 Speaker 36: then over to Councillor Mackie. Thank
02:19:00 Speaker 36: you, Warden. Just to go back
02:19:05 Speaker 36: to the question about the noise
02:19:06 Speaker 36: study that was done, I did
02:19:09 Speaker 36: a quick search. and it was
02:19:10 Speaker 36: done with the doors open, but
02:19:12 Speaker 36: it was completed using a pink
02:19:14 Speaker 36: noise file. And when I did
02:19:16 Speaker 36: a search online to find out
02:19:17 Speaker 36: what that type of file would
02:19:19 Speaker 36: be, it identifies that white noise
02:19:20 Speaker 36: is all frequencies coming through at
02:19:22 Speaker 36: the same intensity, and it's high
02:19:23 Speaker 50: pitched, so ears don't like it.
02:19:26 Speaker 50: A pink noise file subdues that,
02:19:30 Speaker 50: makes sure the sounds are gentler.
02:19:32 Speaker 50: and less likely to overwhelm people,
02:19:34 Speaker 50: so I think doing a noise
02:19:36 Speaker 50: study using a pink noise audio
02:19:37 Speaker 50: file kind of defeated the purpose
02:19:40 Speaker 50: of doing the noise study. It's
02:19:43 Speaker 50: a little misleading. Okay, thank you.
02:19:46 Speaker 50: And is there any staff comment
02:19:49 Speaker 50: to that before I go to
02:19:54 Speaker 50: Councillor Mackey? Yeah. So thank you
02:19:57 Speaker 50: for that. No. And yeah, your
02:20:01 Speaker 50: your due diligence on there is
02:20:03 Speaker 50: is. is appreciated. Yeah, with regards
02:20:05 Speaker 50: to that, again, I I can't
02:20:06 Speaker 50: attest to being a audio expert
02:20:08 Speaker 50: or noise acoustic expert, which again
02:20:10 Speaker 50: is is why we did have
02:20:13 Speaker 50: that peer reviewed for that expertise.
02:20:16 Speaker 50: So yeah, I would just defer
02:20:18 Speaker 50: to the to the peer review
02:20:20 Speaker 50: on that, and can certainly share
02:20:22 Speaker 50: those comments if interested. Okay, thank
02:20:25 Speaker 50: you. We'll go over to Councillor
02:20:28 Speaker 50: Mackie. Thank you. Warden, and thank
02:20:30 Speaker 50: you, Becky. I know this has
02:20:32 Speaker 50: been a difficult file for you,
02:20:34 Speaker 50: and you've done a really good
02:20:36 Speaker 50: job. But just a follow-up
02:20:38 Speaker 50: from Councillor Debrine's question: When you
02:20:40 Speaker 50: talked about the number of structures
02:20:42 Speaker 50: that have been erected without a
02:20:44 Speaker 50: building permit, does that include the
02:20:47 Speaker 50: hall? That the picture of the
02:20:48 Speaker 50: large hall, so it was erected
02:20:51 Speaker 50: without a building permit. Is it
02:20:53 Speaker 50: being utilised right now without? a
02:20:56 Speaker 50: building permit, and are other structures
02:20:58 Speaker 50: that have been erected without building
02:21:01 Speaker 50: permits being utilised or in the
02:21:03 Speaker 50: last period of time. Thank you.
02:21:06 Speaker 50: So, my understanding is that since
02:21:08 Speaker 50: Bylaw has gotten involved on the
02:21:10 Speaker 50: property, they have ceased all business
02:21:12 Speaker 50: operations. So, to my knowledge, the
02:21:15 Speaker 50: the event hall and and none
02:21:17 Speaker 50: of the other structures are are
02:21:20 Speaker 50: currently being used for any sort
02:21:22 Speaker 50: of event function. Are you able
02:21:25 Speaker 50: to verify the the large hall
02:21:28 Speaker 50: that we were showing a picture
02:21:30 Speaker 50: of was it erected without a
02:21:33 Speaker 50: building permit? I believe that is
02:21:35 Speaker 51: the case. Yes. Okay. Thank you.
02:21:38 Speaker 18: We'll go to Councillor Greg next.
02:21:44 Speaker 18: Thank you. And through your warden,
02:21:50 Speaker 18: I appreciate the opportunity to speak
02:21:55 Speaker 18: to the motion. that's on the
02:22:01 Speaker 18: floor. I am concerned that 12
02:22:03 Speaker 18: events per year on the surface
02:22:05 Speaker 18: looks like they could easily be
02:22:07 Speaker 18: spread out through the year, but
02:22:09 Speaker 36: I think that's quite unlikely. I
02:22:13 Speaker 36: am concerned for the neighbours that
02:22:15 Speaker 36: it could be an intensification over
02:22:16 Speaker 36: the May to September preferred months,
02:22:22 Speaker 52: the nicer climate. This weekend will
02:22:25 Speaker 24: be the Summerfolk Festival in Owen
02:22:33 Speaker 21: Sound, and I live greater than
02:22:37 Speaker 21: two kilometres away from the bandshell,
02:22:43 Speaker 21: and now it is open air.
02:22:44 Speaker 21: But I. will enjoy the the
02:22:45 Speaker 21: sounds of music wafting into my
02:22:47 Speaker 21: open windows, dependent upon wind direction,
02:22:52 Speaker 21: air pressure, moisture levels. So two
02:22:55 Speaker 21: kilometres of travel is is not
02:22:57 Speaker 21: to be. I mean that that's
02:22:58 Speaker 21: that's considerable. Your standard mile and
02:22:59 Speaker 21: a quarter in the in the
02:23:03 Speaker 21: rural country can travel literally a
02:23:06 Speaker 21: block under the right conditions, and
02:23:08 Speaker 21: I think it is fair to.
02:23:14 Speaker 21: think that that door could be
02:23:16 Speaker 21: open and probably would be, given
02:23:20 Speaker 21: the climatic conditions outside and warm
02:23:23 Speaker 21: versus cold, whatever. So I am
02:23:28 Speaker 21: concerned for the neighbours. I'm concerned
02:23:31 Speaker 21: about the introduction of significant potential
02:23:32 Speaker 21: conflict to the community. I couldn't
02:23:35 Speaker 21: agree any more with Councillor Nielsen
02:23:37 Speaker 21: about your comments about the county
02:23:40 Speaker 21: waiting into the profitability and the
02:23:42 Speaker 21: business case. I don't think that's
02:23:46 Speaker 21: something that should be part of
02:23:50 Speaker 21: our consideration. Part of our considerations
02:23:53 Speaker 21: that is something that is dependent
02:23:56 Speaker 21: upon the developer, the proponent, the
02:23:58 Speaker 21: applicant. When you purchase a property,
02:24:03 Speaker 53: you've already studied those septic systems
02:24:10 Speaker 47: that are on site. You are
02:24:14 Speaker 47: well, or should be well aware
02:24:15 Speaker 47: of the the challenges or the
02:24:19 Speaker 47: opportunities that were are before you.
02:24:22 Speaker 47: And I don't think I don't
02:24:27 Speaker 47: do not agree with a three
02:24:28 Speaker 47: year allowance to come into compliance
02:24:32 Speaker 47: to have an adequately sized
02:24:35 Speaker 47: septic loading. on the site, so
02:24:38 Speaker 47: I don't think it's appropriate that
02:24:39 Speaker 47: that council would support that. And
02:24:41 Speaker 47: in this instance, I would be
02:24:44 Speaker 47: glad to support the decision making,
02:24:46 Speaker 47: which was made at the local
02:24:49 Speaker 47: level by the elected officials closest
02:24:51 Speaker 47: to their residents, and that was
02:24:53 Speaker 47: to echo the results of the
02:24:57 Speaker 47: vote from the municipality of Greyhound.
02:25:00 Speaker 47: So those are my comments. Thanks.
02:25:04 Speaker 47: Okay, thank you very much. I'm
02:25:07 Speaker 47: just. looking around the table. I
02:25:11 Speaker 47: think we have now captured all.
02:25:13 Speaker 47: Oh, Councillor Eccles. You are so
02:25:16 Speaker 47: close, that close. Is Lake Eugenia
02:25:18 Speaker 47: in a hamlet settlement, or considered
02:25:19 Speaker 47: a hamlet settlement? Portions of Lake
02:25:21 Speaker 47: Eugenia fall with. Portions of Lake
02:25:26 Speaker 47: Eugenia fall within what we call
02:25:30 Speaker 47: the secondary settlement area, and then
02:25:35 Speaker 47: portions of Lake Eugenia fall within
02:25:37 Speaker 47: the Inland Lakes and Shorelines Designation
02:25:39 Speaker 47: Area. So this particular property is
02:25:42 Speaker 47: just north of a portion of
02:25:44 Speaker 47: the Inland Lakes and Shorelines Designation
02:25:48 Speaker 47: Area. Okay, thank you. Any? Oh,
02:25:50 Speaker 47: is there a follow up? Of
02:25:53 Speaker 47: course. Under the current policies, it's
02:25:55 Speaker 47: 0.85. Did I understand that correctly?
02:25:59 Speaker 47: That would connect this. So the
02:26:00 Speaker 47: reason that they're here is because
02:26:04 Speaker 47: they want it to be bigger.
02:26:05 Speaker 47: So this will be somewhat. They're
02:26:08 Speaker 47: going for 1.05 hectares to be
02:26:10 Speaker 47: covered in this. So this is
02:26:11 Speaker 47: kind of precedent setting. We're going
02:26:14 Speaker 47: to set a precedent that we're
02:26:16 Speaker 47: going to deviate from. policy. See
02:26:18 Speaker 47: how that goes, because there's other
02:26:23 Speaker 47: things that we certainly couldn't deviate
02:26:26 Speaker 54: for policy because it would be
02:26:29 Speaker 54: a precedent-setting thing. With that said,
02:26:32 Speaker 54: and it goes back to the
02:26:34 Speaker 54: comment, we have a number of
02:26:36 Speaker 54: other of these types of facilities
02:26:38 Speaker 54: throughout the. county, and certainly a
02:26:42 Speaker 54: couple of them, even within the
02:26:44 Speaker 54: municipality of Gray Highlands. And it
02:26:46 Speaker 54: was indicated by one of the
02:26:48 Speaker 54: presenters this morning that that was
02:26:50 Speaker 54: enough because they operate very. There
02:26:51 Speaker 54: is no problem with them. So,
02:26:54 Speaker 54: what's the difference from the noise,
02:26:56 Speaker 54: from the septic, from everything else,
02:27:00 Speaker 54: from the ones that are operating
02:27:03 Speaker 54: that don't seem to. be a
02:27:05 Speaker 54: problem to this one. Any comments
02:27:09 Speaker 54: or questions? Thank you for those
02:27:10 Speaker 54: questions. So just to confirm, with
02:27:12 Speaker 54: regards to your comment on the
02:27:14 Speaker 54: zero point eight, so this file
02:27:17 Speaker 54: was submitted in, I believe, August
02:27:18 Speaker 54: of twenty twenty four. And so,
02:27:28 Speaker 54: under our official plan, which is
02:27:29 Speaker 54: slightly different than the provincial planning
02:27:31 Speaker 54: statement, we make decisions and planning
02:27:32 Speaker 54: recommendations based on the official planning
02:27:33 Speaker 54: policies that were in effect at
02:27:36 Speaker 54: the time of application submission. So,
02:27:37 Speaker 54: at the time of application submission,
02:27:40 Speaker 54: we did not, at that point,
02:27:44 Speaker 54: have policies in place, any policies
02:27:46 Speaker 54: in place to kind of provide
02:27:49 Speaker 54: policy guidance or frameworks around special
02:27:52 Speaker 14: event. venue types of uses, in
02:27:57 Speaker 14: May 2025, so this year, County
02:27:58 Speaker 14: Council did approve OPA 23, which
02:28:00 Speaker 14: was a amendment to our official
02:28:02 Speaker 14: plan that looked at altering numerous
02:28:04 Speaker 14: land use land uses within the
02:28:07 Speaker 14: rural designation and and kind of
02:28:10 Speaker 14: enhancing and refining some of the
02:28:11 Speaker 14: policies around those and what would
02:28:13 Speaker 14: be permitted there. And one of
02:28:15 Speaker 14: those policies that was was approved
02:28:17 Speaker 14: through OPA 23 was consideration for
02:28:19 Speaker 14: small scale rural event special event
02:28:22 Speaker 14: venues, and they would essentially follow
02:28:23 Speaker 14: the same sizing criteria as our
02:28:24 Speaker 14: on farm diversified use policies. And
02:28:26 Speaker 14: so, based on those policies, for
02:28:28 Speaker 14: a 40 hectare property without an
02:28:30 Speaker 14: official plan amendment, if submitted today
02:28:31 Speaker 14: or any time after May. Today
02:28:33 Speaker 55: or anytime after May 2025, an
02:28:47 Speaker 55: applicant could potentially have a up
02:28:49 Speaker 55: to 0.8 hectare event venue, and
02:28:51 Speaker 55: that includes all the parking, the
02:28:55 Speaker 55: buildings, the servicing, everything within that
02:28:57 Speaker 55: 0.8 hectares, without the need for
02:28:58 Speaker 55: a county official plan amendment. However,
02:29:01 Speaker 55: you know, as the decision that
02:29:04 Speaker 55: we need to make today is
02:29:06 Speaker 55: based on our previous policies in
02:29:07 Speaker 55: effect, it's really just provided for
02:29:09 Speaker 55: informational purposes at at this stage,
02:29:11 Speaker 55: and for for yeah for for
02:29:13 Speaker 55: council's information, and we'll just go
02:29:15 Speaker 55: over to the CAO. And just
02:29:16 Speaker 56: further to to Becky's comments, in
02:29:20 Speaker 56: terms of you know even with
02:29:23 Speaker 56: the provisions as as noted by
02:29:24 Speaker 56: Becky that are in existence today,
02:29:26 Speaker 56: as relates to OPA twenty three,
02:29:29 Speaker 56: doesn't prevent an applicant coming forward
02:29:32 Speaker 57: to ask for any considerations beyond
02:29:37 Speaker 57: that. It is then through an
02:29:38 Speaker 44: official plan amendment process. There will
02:29:40 Speaker 44: be would be studies required, similar
02:29:42 Speaker 44: to studies that have been done
02:29:45 Speaker 44: with respect to this current application.
02:29:47 Speaker 44: Those those studies, as as Becky
02:29:49 Speaker 44: indicated, have been reviewed, and and
02:29:51 Speaker 44: based on based on that review,
02:29:53 Speaker 44: staff felt comfortable to be able
02:29:56 Speaker 44: to recommend approval and support, recognizing
02:29:57 Speaker 44: as Scott indicated that there are
02:29:59 Speaker 44: other tools and mechanisms in order
02:30:01 Speaker 44: to deal with some those other
02:30:05 Speaker 44: concerns that have been expressed through.
02:30:07 Speaker 44: both the zoning bylaw as well
02:30:08 Speaker 44: as the site plan process. Okay.
02:30:10 Speaker 18: Did there is an error? Oh,
02:30:13 Speaker 18: there we go, Councillor McQueen. Thank
02:30:18 Speaker 18: you, Madam Warden. I'm just sort
02:30:20 Speaker 18: of following up on a point
02:30:22 Speaker 18: that was made by Councillor Eccles,
02:30:26 Speaker 18: in the sense of I think
02:30:27 Speaker 18: it was mentioned from the first
02:30:30 Speaker 18: presenter today that there was an
02:30:32 Speaker 18: accommodation site and. Site ten camping,
02:30:35 Speaker 18: I think, that was approved. Maybe
02:30:38 Speaker 18: a year and a half ago,
02:30:42 Speaker 18: was on a forty hectare, hundred
02:30:44 Speaker 18: acre parcel. There was there was
02:30:46 Speaker 18: some concerns around it. It was
02:30:48 Speaker 58: approved, but it's not an event.
02:30:50 Speaker 58: It's it's it was approved with
02:30:52 Speaker 58: it was a I think limited
02:30:53 Speaker 58: parking, limited space. It was accommodation
02:30:54 Speaker 58: for people to come and enjoy
02:31:04 Speaker 58: it, but not to be at
02:31:05 Speaker 58: an event or. or an event
02:31:06 Speaker 58: being hosted, I don't know if
02:31:22 Speaker 58: that adds clarity to what Council
02:31:23 Speaker 58: Eccles was mentioning, but it's sort
02:31:24 Speaker 58: of, yeah, there was it's not
02:31:25 Speaker 58: being generating noise. There was noise
02:31:32 Speaker 58: concerns when it was brought to
02:31:36 Speaker 58: to Council at that time, but
02:31:38 Speaker 59: it's on a larger piece of
02:31:43 Speaker 59: land. And anyway, at the time,
02:31:45 Speaker 59: Council did support that, but it's
02:31:49 Speaker 59: only for accommodation, not an event.
02:31:50 Speaker 59: Okay. Any other comments? Okay, I'm
02:31:53 Speaker 59: not seeing further hands. Madam Clerk,
02:31:56 Speaker 59: you wanted to address some wording
02:31:59 Speaker 59: in the motion. Yes, thank you,
02:32:01 Speaker 59: Madam Warden. Through you, just in
02:32:03 Speaker 59: a quick discussion with the Director
02:32:08 Speaker 59: of Planning, I'm just wondering about
02:32:10 Speaker 60: Council's indulgence to put forward an
02:32:12 Speaker 60: amendment to remove the wording and
02:32:13 Speaker 60: that staff be directed to prepare
02:32:20 Speaker 60: a bylaw for approval by County
02:32:24 Speaker 60: Council from the second. clause of
02:32:39 Speaker 60: the motion, just because, given my
02:32:40 Speaker 60: understanding in those discussions, that there
02:32:42 Speaker 60: will be a bylaw come forward
02:32:45 Speaker 60: regardless of how County Council votes
02:32:46 Speaker 60: on this matter, and then as
02:32:48 Speaker 60: that is the official mechanism to
02:32:49 Speaker 60: change the OPA. But I may
02:32:51 Speaker 60: look to to Director Taylor to
02:32:55 Speaker 60: correct any incorrect information I've conveyed
02:32:57 Speaker 60: there. Director Taylor. Thank you, Madam
02:32:59 Speaker 60: Warden. Through you, the clerk is
02:33:00 Speaker 60: 100 right. That's sort of standard
02:33:02 Speaker 60: wording in our official plan amendment
02:33:04 Speaker 60: recommendations. But regardless of whether or
02:33:05 Speaker 60: not council is supportive or not
02:33:07 Speaker 60: supportive, the bylaw still needs to
02:33:08 Speaker 60: come forward for that decision to
02:33:10 Speaker 60: be made. So we'll have presumably
02:33:12 Speaker 60: the vote here today. But then
02:33:14 Speaker 60: the bylaw would come forward to
02:33:15 Speaker 60: county council, and that's when it
02:33:17 Speaker 60: would officially be approved or refused
02:33:20 Speaker 61: or further deferred at that time.
03:37:15 Speaker 61: Okay. So with that clarification. then
03:37:16 Speaker 61: there is a request for an
03:37:18 Speaker 61: amendment to the main motion. Is
03:37:19 Speaker 61: there a mover for that, Councillor
03:37:21 Speaker 58: Hutchinson? Seconder, Councillor Dobrin. Okay, so
03:37:23 Speaker 58: it's moved and seconded as an
03:37:26 Speaker 58: amendment to the main motion, and
03:37:27 Speaker 58: it's there up on the screen.
03:37:30 Speaker 58: And that the motion be amended
03:37:31 Speaker 58: to remove the wording, and that
03:37:33 Speaker 58: staff be directed to prepare a
03:37:36 Speaker 58: bylaw to for approval by County
03:37:38 Speaker 58: Council. from the second clause. Okay.
03:37:40 Speaker 58: Any discussion on that amendment? All
03:37:42 Speaker 58: those in favour of the amendment,
03:37:45 Speaker 58: and that is carried. Okay. Thank
03:37:46 Speaker 58: you. So we'll give the clerk
03:37:47 Speaker 58: a chance to update the wording
03:37:50 Speaker 58: of the main motion, and if
03:37:51 Speaker 57: I don't see any further hands
03:37:56 Speaker 57: up in a moment, I will
03:37:57 Speaker 57: call that vote. And Madam. Clerk,
03:38:00 Speaker 57: if you can just make sure
03:38:02 Speaker 57: that that's right up on the
03:38:03 Speaker 57: screen, the whole motion. Okay. So,
03:38:04 Speaker 44: Madam Clerk, could you please read
03:38:08 Speaker 44: that out for us, just so
03:38:09 Speaker 44: we all know what we're voting
03:38:12 Speaker 44: on. So that report, PDRCW fifty
03:38:13 Speaker 44: two. For PDR CW 52-25 regarding
03:38:15 Speaker 44: OPA 22 Bcom Inc. be received
03:38:17 Speaker 44: and that official plan amendment 4208180
03:38:20 Speaker 44: OPA 22 Bcom Inc. also known
03:38:21 Speaker 44: as Highland Estate State, which proposes
03:38:24 Speaker 44: a site-specific exception to the rural
03:38:26 Speaker 44: designation to permit a special events
03:38:28 Speaker 44: venue on approximately 1.05 hectares of
03:38:32 Speaker 44: land, legally described as Part Lot
03:38:33 Speaker 44: 33 Concession 13 in the geographic
03:38:35 Speaker 44: township of Partemisia. Township of Artemisia,
03:38:37 Speaker 44: now in the municipality of Grey
03:38:39 Speaker 44: Highlands, be supported. Okay, thank you.
03:38:41 Speaker 44: So it's been discussed, it's been
03:38:42 Speaker 44: moved, it's been seconded. I'm going
03:38:44 Speaker 44: to call the vote now. All
03:38:45 Speaker 44: those in favour? Okay, Madam Clerk.
03:38:46 Speaker 44: Those opposed? Okay, and I can
03:38:48 Speaker 44: declare that this motion has failed.
03:38:51 Speaker 44: Okay, thank you very much, Miss
03:38:52 Speaker 44: Hillier, and also to Director Taylor
03:38:54 Speaker 44: for the extra information. And as
03:38:56 Speaker 44: as I will echo, as the
03:38:58 Speaker 44: comments have been, we have very
03:39:00 Speaker 44: much appreciated all the detail that
03:39:02 Speaker 44: has gone into this report. Thank
03:39:03 Speaker 44: you. Okay, so with that, now
03:39:05 Speaker 44: we are approaching twelve thirty, and
03:39:06 Speaker 44: we do have a heavy agenda.
03:39:09 Speaker 44: I am going to, and just
03:39:11 Speaker 58: in conjunction with lunch and some
03:39:16 Speaker 58: other obligations that will happen, what
03:39:19 Speaker 58: we will do is we will
03:39:21 Speaker 58: now break until 1:30, and then
03:39:24 Speaker 58: we will pick up the agenda
03:39:26 Speaker 58: and move on from there. So
03:39:28 Speaker 58: we will take a break, lunch,
03:39:31 Speaker 58: and anything else, and then we
03:39:33 Speaker 58: will be back here in the
03:39:36 Speaker 58: chamber at 1:30 to continue with
03:39:37 Speaker 58: the open portion of the agenda.
03:39:39 Speaker 58: Thank you. Okay, welcome back, Committee.
03:39:42 Speaker 58: The whole members, we are here
03:39:45 Speaker 58: picking up on our agenda items,
03:39:51 Speaker 58: and we had finished with. We
03:39:52 Speaker 21: had just before lunch, we had
03:39:56 Speaker 21: stopped after a motion for item
03:39:57 Speaker 21: seven a, but to clean up
03:40:01 Speaker 21: the business and be able to
03:40:10 Speaker 21: provide the direction, there is Madam
03:40:12 Speaker 25: Clerk. Do you want to? Have
03:40:15 Speaker 25: you got that up on? There
03:40:17 Speaker 25: you go. Okay. the clerk has
03:40:20 Speaker 25: advised in terms of process, and
03:40:21 Speaker 25: I'll look to Director Taylor just
03:40:24 Speaker 25: to to give some background to
03:40:26 Speaker 25: this. We do have a recommended
03:40:28 Speaker 25: motion that we should do in
03:40:32 Speaker 25: order to be able to tie
03:40:33 Speaker 25: up what what it was that
03:40:34 Speaker 25: we discussed, and so I'll go
03:40:36 Speaker 25: over to Director Taylor. Thank you,
03:40:38 Speaker 25: Madam Warden, and and through you,
03:40:39 Speaker 25: I'll try to keep this brief.
03:40:41 Speaker 25: We we've done some discussions and
03:40:43 Speaker 25: some research over the lunch hour.
03:40:44 Speaker 25: We don't. luckily, at the county,
03:40:45 Speaker 25: deal with many refusals of official
03:40:46 Speaker 25: plan amendments. And and the question
03:40:49 Speaker 25: was put to us, raised by
03:40:52 Speaker 25: the CAO, does the bylaw at
03:40:56 Speaker 25: council need to be refused, or
03:40:58 Speaker 62: can we simply pass, or can
03:41:04 Speaker 62: council simply pass a motion here
03:41:04 Speaker 62: today, stating council's intent to refuse?
03:41:06 Speaker 62: And when those minutes get ratified
03:41:07 Speaker 44: by county council on September the
03:41:10 Speaker 44: 11th, that's when that refusal would
03:41:11 Speaker 44: happen, if that's council's wish. The
03:41:13 Speaker 44: challenge with with the way we
03:41:14 Speaker 44: left it after lunch is we
03:41:16 Speaker 44: simply have a a lost motion
03:41:17 Speaker 44: for support. And I think as
03:41:18 Speaker 44: staff, you know, we we can
03:41:20 Speaker 44: read the room and and we
03:41:21 Speaker 44: understand. I think where council's direction
03:41:22 Speaker 44: is, but formally in the minutes.
03:41:24 Speaker 44: And if this were to get
03:41:25 Speaker 44: appealed or a non decision were
03:41:27 Speaker 44: to be appealed, I don't think
03:41:30 Speaker 44: that's crystal clear. So with council's
03:41:32 Speaker 44: indulgence and and thanks to the
03:41:33 Speaker 44: the speedy work of the clerks,
03:41:35 Speaker 44: they put together a further motion,
03:41:38 Speaker 44: just noting that the official plan
03:41:41 Speaker 44: amendment would be would be refused.
03:41:43 Speaker 44: We wouldn't bring. the bylaw forward
03:41:45 Speaker 44: to council, and then simply if
03:41:47 Speaker 44: council passes the minutes on September
03:41:49 Speaker 44: 11th, and that's when the notice
03:41:54 Speaker 44: of decision would go out. Okay,
03:41:59 Speaker 44: thank you for that background. So
03:42:00 Speaker 21: it's recommended that official plan amendment
03:42:03 Speaker 21: 4208180 OPA 22 OPA 22 ViaCom
03:42:04 Speaker 21: Inc., also known as Highland Estate,
03:42:06 Speaker 21: which proposes a site-specific exception to
03:42:11 Speaker 21: the rural designation to permit a
03:42:13 Speaker 21: special events venue on the on
03:42:16 Speaker 21: approximately 1. On approximately 1.05 hectares
03:42:20 Speaker 21: of lands legally described as Part
03:42:27 Speaker 21: Lot 33, Concession 13, in the
03:42:28 Speaker 44: geographic township of Artemisia, now in
03:42:31 Speaker 44: the municipality of Grey Highlands, be
03:42:32 Speaker 44: refused. May I ask for a
03:42:34 Speaker 44: mover? Moved by Councillor Nielsen, seconded
03:42:36 Speaker 44: by Councillor Gregg. Any discussion? Yes,
03:42:37 Speaker 44: Councillor Eccles. So, how is this
03:42:39 Speaker 44: different from the motion that we
03:42:40 Speaker 44: just turned down? And if that's
03:42:41 Speaker 44: the case. and partly in procedure,
03:42:46 Speaker 44: should we not bring that last
03:42:48 Speaker 44: one back? So the last one,
03:42:50 Speaker 44: we didn't actually execute an action;
03:42:52 Speaker 44: we just simply voted down an
03:42:54 Speaker 44: action. So the recommended motion was
03:42:57 Speaker 44: to support; we voted that down.
03:42:59 Speaker 44: So in order to be able
03:43:00 Speaker 44: to affirm an action that goes
03:43:02 Speaker 44: with that. The this one is
03:43:05 Speaker 44: the same except it now says
03:43:06 Speaker 44: be refused. And as Director Taylor
03:43:09 Speaker 44: said, that would put it into
03:43:12 Speaker 44: the minutes, thus, so that when
03:43:15 Speaker 44: we get to council two weeks
03:43:17 Speaker 44: from or at our next council
03:43:18 Speaker 44: meeting, there would be no bylaw,
03:43:20 Speaker 44: and this would be in. But
03:43:22 Speaker 44: if this were to pass, if
03:43:24 Speaker 44: this were to be moved, seconded,
03:43:27 Speaker 44: and passed, well, it's already moved
03:43:29 Speaker 44: and seconded. If this were to
03:43:31 Speaker 44: pass, then that would provide clear
03:43:32 Speaker 44: direction, as opposed to non decision.
03:43:34 Speaker 44: does, and I'll look to staff
03:43:35 Speaker 44: if if they can provide any
03:43:37 Speaker 44: further clarification, Director Taylor. Thank you,
03:43:38 Speaker 44: Madam Warden. I think you've done
03:43:39 Speaker 44: a great job explaining it. The
03:43:41 Speaker 44: one sort of further nuance here,
03:43:44 Speaker 44: just for council's consideration, when we
03:43:47 Speaker 63: talk about appeal rights to the
03:43:49 Speaker 63: Ontario Land Tribunal, basically there's three
03:43:52 Speaker 63: types of appeals: there's the appeal
03:43:53 Speaker 63: of an approval, the appeal of
03:43:57 Speaker 63: a refusal, or the appeal of
03:43:59 Speaker 63: a non decision. So in theory,
03:44:03 Speaker 63: and I certainly don't want to
03:44:04 Speaker 63: speculate too far or wish to
03:44:08 Speaker 63: speak on behalf of the applicant.
03:44:11 Speaker 63: Wish to speak on behalf the
03:44:14 Speaker 63: applicant. After today, if they wished,
03:44:16 Speaker 63: if they didn't want to wait
03:44:18 Speaker 63: for this matter to come forward
03:44:20 Speaker 63: on September 11th, they may consider
03:44:23 Speaker 63: appealing a non decision of County
03:44:26 Speaker 63: Council on the County Official Plan
03:44:28 Speaker 63: Amendment. And so, if that were
03:44:32 Speaker 63: to happen, this motion makes it
03:44:38 Speaker 63: clear on what County Council's direction
03:44:43 Speaker 63: was, even if they hadn't formally
03:44:45 Speaker 63: executed that yet, because it's County
03:44:47 Speaker 63: Council that's the approval body or
03:44:48 Speaker 63: refusal body for official plan amendments
03:44:49 Speaker 63: in that regard. any follow-up council
03:44:51 Speaker 63: circles? So we amended the first
03:44:53 Speaker 63: motion to take out the bylaw
03:44:55 Speaker 21: because that, at that point in
03:44:59 Speaker 21: time, when the understanding was, it
03:45:03 Speaker 21: absolutely had to come back as
03:45:06 Speaker 64: a bylaw for September the 11th.
03:45:10 Speaker 64: Now we're putting this motion through
03:45:14 Speaker 64: to say we're refusing it, so
03:45:15 Speaker 64: that the bylaw. Doesn't have to
03:45:16 Speaker 64: come here, Director Taylor. Yeah, through
03:45:19 Speaker 64: you, Madam Warden. That's on me,
03:45:23 Speaker 64: Councillor Eccles. I was messaging back
03:45:24 Speaker 64: and forth with the clerk. My
03:45:26 Speaker 64: my initial read of it was
03:45:27 Speaker 64: that that the bylaw did need
03:45:29 Speaker 64: to come back to County Council
03:45:31 Speaker 05: for a formal decision. In doing
03:45:34 Speaker 05: some further research over the lunch
03:45:36 Speaker 24: hour and looking at some other
03:45:50 Speaker 24: municipal approaches, there it appears another
03:45:51 Speaker 24: option is that the the motion
03:45:52 Speaker 24: be passed for refusal, and then
03:45:53 Speaker 24: that motion be be passed with
03:45:55 Speaker 65: the minutes, rather than having to
03:45:57 Speaker 65: have that formal bylaw come forward.
03:45:59 Speaker 65: So I believe both are options.
03:46:02 Speaker 65: Council could vote down the bylaw
03:46:04 Speaker 65: on September the 11th, or we
03:46:06 Speaker 65: could have this motion here today.
03:46:07 Speaker 65: Staff just felt in in discussion
03:46:08 Speaker 65: with the CEO and the clerk
03:46:10 Speaker 65: that this provided clear direction, sort
03:46:12 Speaker 65: of in that interim period up
03:46:15 Speaker 65: until September 11th. The other thing
03:46:17 Speaker 66: that that staff noted. The other
03:46:20 Speaker 66: thing that staff noted is normally
03:46:21 Speaker 66: when we're dealing with the county
03:46:27 Speaker 66: council session at the beginning of
03:46:29 Speaker 66: our day, there can be bylaws
03:46:32 Speaker 66: grouped together. And so, if we
03:46:34 Speaker 66: were looking at refusal, then council
03:46:35 Speaker 66: might need to separate, say, the
03:46:39 Speaker 66: confirming bylaw from this bylaw or
03:46:41 Speaker 66: any other bylaws that stem out
03:46:43 Speaker 66: of today's meeting. So we just
03:46:45 Speaker 66: felt that this was perhaps a
03:46:47 Speaker 66: cleaner option, but certainly at the
03:46:49 Speaker 66: disposal of council as to how
03:46:52 Speaker 66: they wish to deal with this
03:46:54 Speaker 66: one. We'll go to the CAO
03:46:57 Speaker 66: and just further discuss comments and.
03:47:00 Speaker 66: I think he noted earlier we
03:47:02 Speaker 66: don't often deal with refusals of
03:47:05 Speaker 66: OPA. So, just based on further
03:47:08 Speaker 66: research, we think this is the
03:47:09 Speaker 66: cleanest approach in terms of formalizing
03:47:13 Speaker 66: direction from the committee. The whole
03:47:15 Speaker 66: in terms of whether or not
03:47:18 Speaker 66: this committee whole wants to
03:47:21 Speaker 66: refuse this OPA. Again, we can
03:47:26 Speaker 66: we can assume that the the
03:47:29 Speaker 66: not supporting the the last. motion
03:47:32 Speaker 66: is is is similar to that
03:47:35 Speaker 66: direction, but this is clarifies that
03:47:37 Speaker 66: absolute direction, and it relates back
03:47:39 Speaker 66: to what Director Taylor indicated with
03:47:42 Speaker 66: respect to the options available to
03:47:43 Speaker 66: committee and eventually council when they
03:47:46 Speaker 66: when they ratify this to to
03:47:47 Speaker 66: either refuse, approve, or approve with
03:47:49 Speaker 66: modifications. Okay, thank you. That's good.
03:47:52 Speaker 66: Kill circles. I wish I would
03:47:54 Speaker 66: have had this option beforehand. I'll
03:47:56 Speaker 66: just put it in. It would
03:47:58 Speaker 66: certainly change how I voted on
03:48:00 Speaker 66: the last one because I was
03:48:04 Speaker 66: looking forward to seeing that bylaw
03:48:06 Speaker 66: come forward, and that was the
03:48:09 Speaker 66: position that we would make our
03:48:10 Speaker 66: final and direct comments on and
03:48:12 Speaker 66: vote on. Now we're here with
03:48:13 Speaker 66: this, so yep. Let's go forward.
03:48:15 Speaker 66: Okay. Thank you. Are there any
03:48:18 Speaker 66: other? comments? Okay, it's been moved
03:48:19 Speaker 66: and seconded and read out. Then
03:48:22 Speaker 66: I'll call the vote. All those
03:48:23 Speaker 66: in favour, and that motion is
03:48:25 Speaker 66: carried. Thank you. Okay, so that
03:48:29 Speaker 66: allows us to move on
7.b PDR-CW-44-25 Paid Parking Options for the Rail Trail and County Forests Report
Ms. Johnson presented a report on paid parking options for county-owned lots along rail trails and forest properties. Staff recommended receiving the report but advised against implementing a paid parking system at this time due to insufficient amenities and tourism traffic. The motion to receive the report and not implement the system was moved by the deputy warden, seconded by Councillor Eccles, and carried.
03:48:31 Speaker 66: to item seven B, and for
03:48:33 Speaker 66: that, do we have Ms. Johnson?
03:48:36 Speaker 66: Yes, we do. Here she comes.
03:48:41 Speaker 66: Welcome, Ms. Johnson, as our trails
03:48:42 Speaker 66: and forestry coordinator, to speak about
03:48:45 Speaker 66: the parking, pay parking options for
03:48:47 Speaker 66: rail trails. Welcome. Sorry, just before
03:48:48 Speaker 66: you begin, let me just get
03:48:49 Speaker 66: a motion on the floor for
03:48:51 Speaker 66: you while you get yourself set
03:48:53 Speaker 66: up there. So it is recommended
03:48:54 Speaker 66: that Report PDR CW forty four
03:48:56 Speaker 66: twenty five be received, and that
03:48:58 Speaker 66: no paid parking system for county-owned
03:49:00 Speaker 66: parking lots along the rail trail
03:49:04 Speaker 66: and county forest be implemented at
03:49:05 Speaker 66: this time. Is there a mover
03:49:08 Speaker 66: for that? Moved by the deputy
03:49:11 Speaker 66: warden, seconded by Councillor Eccles. It's
03:49:13 Speaker 66: now on the floor for discussion.
03:49:14 Speaker 66: Welcome. The floor is yours. Thank
03:49:16 Speaker 66: you, Warden. Good afternoon, Council. So
03:49:18 Speaker 66: I have the opportunity this afternoon
03:49:21 Speaker 66: to talk to you about paid
03:49:22 Speaker 66: parking options. Very riveting conversation. Just
03:49:25 Speaker 66: for a little bit of background,
03:49:26 Speaker 66: as Council will remember, in March
03:49:32 Speaker 66: earlier this year, staff were directed
03:49:34 Speaker 66: to bring back a report containing.
03:49:36 Speaker 66: options for parking revenue options along
03:49:37 Speaker 66: Gray County rail trail systems. So
03:49:41 Speaker 66: Gray County has forty-five forest properties
03:49:43 Speaker 66: as well as seventy-seven kilometres of
03:49:47 Speaker 66: trail that are spread across almost
03:49:50 Speaker 66: all of the municipalities, saving except
03:49:51 Speaker 66: for Hanover. And relative to the
03:49:53 Speaker 66: volume of these recreational problem or
03:49:56 Speaker 66: properties, there are not many county-owned
03:49:58 Speaker 66: parking areas that serve them. As
03:50:01 Speaker 66: we noted in the winter months
03:50:03 Speaker 66: this past season. the cost to
03:50:05 Speaker 66: maintain these parking areas is particularly
03:50:07 Speaker 66: high, and it can range anywhere
03:50:10 Speaker 66: from twenty to twenty-five thousand dollars
03:50:12 Speaker 66: in in any given year. So,
03:50:14 Speaker 66: we were asked to look at
03:50:16 Speaker 66: options regarding increased revenue, including paid
03:50:18 Speaker 66: parking. So, for the purposes of
03:50:20 Speaker 66: this staff report, we evaluated only
03:50:22 Speaker 66: properties that had what were established
03:50:28 Speaker 66: parking areas. and the qualifiers for
03:50:29 Speaker 66: what as what what an established
03:50:31 Speaker 66: parking area was that it wasn't
03:50:33 Speaker 66: simply roadside parking, it wasn't simply
03:50:34 Speaker 66: an entrance where you could pull
03:50:37 Speaker 66: in, and it wasn't the space
03:50:39 Speaker 66: had to accommodate more than two
03:50:40 Speaker 66: vehicles and that the property was
03:50:41 Speaker 66: owned and maintained by the county.
03:50:43 Speaker 66: So, out of all of the
03:50:45 Speaker 66: forest properties, there were four that
03:50:47 Speaker 66: were identified as meeting that criteria,
03:50:49 Speaker 66: and then along the rail trail,
03:50:51 Speaker 66: there was also. two. So within
03:50:52 Speaker 66: our Gray County forest properties, that
03:50:54 Speaker 66: included Harkway, Lily Oak, Camp Oliver,
03:50:56 Speaker 66: and Calapoor, and then along the
03:50:58 Speaker 66: rail trail, there was the newly
03:51:00 Speaker 66: established lot that was built in
03:51:05 Speaker 66: 2023 at Gray Road 18 in
03:51:06 Speaker 66: Rockford, and then the Markdale lot,
03:51:08 Speaker 66: which is right off Gray Road
03:51:11 Speaker 66: 12 or Main Street. I also
03:51:12 Speaker 66: want to acknowledge that there are
03:51:15 Speaker 66: a number of non-county-owned properties that
03:51:17 Speaker 66: help facilitate park. Or sorry, non-county.
03:51:20 Speaker 66: Sorry, non-county-owned properties that also help
03:51:24 Speaker 66: facilitate parking in some of these
03:51:26 Speaker 66: areas, as well as municipal lots
03:51:29 Speaker 66: and and organisations that participate. But
03:51:32 Speaker 66: for the purposes of this report,
03:51:33 Speaker 66: we were only going to be
03:51:36 Speaker 66: dealing with these six here. Now,
03:51:40 Speaker 66: in light of the fact that
03:51:42 Speaker 66: we've got a really big agenda
03:51:44 Speaker 66: today and we've already had a
03:51:45 Speaker 66: long morning, I'm not going to
03:51:47 Speaker 66: and that I wrote a really
03:51:51 Speaker 66: epic report for you. I'm not
03:51:53 Speaker 66: going to go into any great
03:51:54 Speaker 66: detail in. reviewing each of these
03:51:56 Speaker 66: parking lots one by one, but
03:51:58 Speaker 66: I do simply want to highlight
03:51:59 Speaker 66: the fact that the analysis of
03:52:02 Speaker 66: those these lots in particular established
03:52:04 Speaker 66: that if we were to move
03:52:06 Speaker 66: forward with a paid parking system,
03:52:07 Speaker 66: only really three of them should
03:52:10 Speaker 66: be considered, and those would be
03:52:14 Speaker 66: Calipor, Rockford, and Markdale. And this
03:52:17 Speaker 66: was for the rationale that they
03:52:20 Speaker 66: had a certain level of maintenance
03:52:21 Speaker 66: and they were known to have
03:52:23 Speaker 66: a higher. use, Markdale, Markdale, and
03:52:26 Speaker 66: Calipor in particular are have been
03:52:30 Speaker 66: maintained in the past in winter
03:52:31 Speaker 66: months, and then again, Rockford was
03:52:33 Speaker 66: just recently constructed in 2023, but
03:52:35 Speaker 66: it has not to date been
03:52:37 Speaker 66: maintained in the winter months. So,
03:52:40 Speaker 66: jumping ahead in my report, I
03:52:43 Speaker 66: we wanted to look at comparators
03:52:44 Speaker 66: that were in within our area.
03:52:48 Speaker 66: Staff reached out to neighbouring. counties,
03:52:51 Speaker 66: our lower tiers, and the CAs
03:52:53 Speaker 66: that have properties within our boundaries.
03:52:54 Speaker 66: None of our neighbouring counties, and
03:52:57 Speaker 66: that included Bruce Simco and Dufferin,
03:53:01 Speaker 66: had paid parking programmemes for
03:53:04 Speaker 66: any of their recreational properties. Of
03:53:05 Speaker 66: the lower tiers within Gray, Blue
03:53:07 Speaker 66: Mountains, Meaford, and On Sound, all
03:53:09 Speaker 66: had some sort of payment parking
03:53:12 Speaker 66: related to recreational areas. And then
03:53:14 Speaker 66: all three of the CAs that
03:53:16 Speaker 66: have properties within Gray County had
03:53:17 Speaker 66: some sort of payment programme in
03:53:21 Speaker 66: place. So I just want to
03:53:22 Speaker 66: have a little caveat here. I
03:53:25 Speaker 66: do highlight a number of different
03:53:28 Speaker 66: apps that these organisations in the
03:53:29 Speaker 66: next couple of slides use for
03:53:31 Speaker 66: payment. I'm by no means an
03:53:34 Speaker 66: expert on any of these, but
03:53:35 Speaker 66: simply that they are the vessel
03:53:37 Speaker 66: that they they use to collect
03:53:39 Speaker 66: payment and issue receipts. Within my
03:53:41 Speaker 66: report, there is some values that
03:53:43 Speaker 66: have been provided regarding certain apps,
03:53:48 Speaker 66: but for this analysis, I'm not
03:53:51 Speaker 66: going to go into any great
03:53:53 Speaker 66: level of detail. just simply what
03:53:54 Speaker 66: app they use. So for the
03:53:56 Speaker 66: town of the Blue Mountains, they
03:53:57 Speaker 66: have a parking programme in place
03:54:03 Speaker 66: for non-residents. It is it is
03:54:06 Speaker 66: not for all lots, and not
03:54:07 Speaker 66: all lots are the same rate.
03:54:09 Speaker 66: For example, I believe their waterfront
03:54:10 Speaker 66: lot or properties or that are
03:54:13 Speaker 66: used for access to waterfront properties
03:54:15 Speaker 66: are more than what an in-town
03:54:18 Speaker 66: lot may cost. They use what's
03:54:20 Speaker 66: called the Honk mobile app. and
03:54:21 Speaker 66: yeah, I think that's all for
03:54:25 Speaker 66: Blue Mountains. The municipality of Meaford
03:54:27 Speaker 66: also uses Honk, and it's used
03:54:29 Speaker 67: at Memorial Park only, and it
03:54:35 Speaker 67: is for non-residents as well. It
03:54:36 Speaker 66: is in effect from May first
03:54:38 Speaker 66: to October thirty first. The city
03:54:40 Speaker 66: of Owen Sound a little bit
03:54:42 Speaker 66: different, but they have camping at
03:54:44 Speaker 66: both Harrison Park and Castle Beach
03:54:47 Speaker 66: Park at certain times of the
03:54:49 Speaker 66: year. They require bookings, and
03:54:54 Speaker 66: those bookings would allow for the
03:54:56 Speaker 66: camping as well as parking associated
03:54:59 Speaker 66: with that. And then they also
03:55:00 Speaker 66: have free parking spots for visitors
03:55:02 Speaker 66: and day users at those
03:55:04 Speaker 66: properties as well. Also, we've learned
03:55:06 Speaker 66: that in twenty twenty five there
03:55:09 Speaker 66: will be a paid parking pass
03:55:10 Speaker 66: for the fishing derby, so it'll
03:55:13 Speaker 66: be interesting to hear how that
03:55:15 Speaker 66: turns out this year. For the
03:55:17 Speaker 66: conservation authorities, they seem to have
03:55:19 Speaker 66: had a. lot, or this programmemes
03:55:22 Speaker 66: in effect for a little bit
03:55:26 Speaker 66: longer. For example, Grace Sauble has
03:55:28 Speaker 66: had some sort of paid programme,
03:55:31 Speaker 66: parking programme in place since 2012.
03:55:33 Speaker 66: Each of the three municipalities that
03:55:35 Speaker 66: we spoke with all started with
03:55:38 Speaker 66: a company called McKay Pay, and
03:55:41 Speaker 66: then once that company closed, they
03:55:43 Speaker 66: have all adopted slightly different models.
03:55:44 Speaker 66: Grace Sauble has had paid parking
03:55:46 Speaker 66: at has paid parking at many
03:55:48 Speaker 66: of its properties. some of
03:55:50 Speaker 66: which have staff members at peak
03:55:52 Speaker 66: times. They have gates and booths,
03:55:55 Speaker 66: and some are not manned at
03:55:57 Speaker 66: all, and they just use QR
03:56:00 Speaker 66: codes. They use Square, and then
03:56:02 Speaker 66: we also additionally asked each conservation
03:56:05 Speaker 66: authority if they did any winter
03:56:06 Speaker 66: maintenance at these lots. And so,
03:56:08 Speaker 66: Gray Sable indicated that they do
03:56:10 Speaker 66: winter maintenance at their administration building
03:56:13 Speaker 66: as well as Ingles Falls, and
03:56:17 Speaker 66: then they have. partnerships with clubs
03:56:20 Speaker 66: and organisations for a few of
03:56:22 Speaker 66: their other properties. Zogean Valley doesn't
03:56:24 Speaker 66: have a paid parking programme, but
03:56:25 Speaker 66: they have started a programme called
03:56:30 Speaker 66: like a membership programme. I believe
03:56:31 Speaker 66: this was so that there wasn't
03:56:32 Speaker 66: an expectation of a level of
03:56:33 Speaker 68: service that for parking areas. They
03:56:39 Speaker 68: do not use an app; they
03:56:41 Speaker 68: simply have QR codes that would
03:56:42 Speaker 68: then direct an individual right directly
03:56:58 Speaker 52: to their website to pay. And
03:57:01 Speaker 52: in the winter months, they maintain.
03:57:02 Speaker 52: three of their parking areas. NVCA
03:57:04 Speaker 52: charges for parking at their conservation
03:57:07 Speaker 52: parking lots. They use the Hot
03:57:08 Speaker 52: Spot app, and in the winter
03:57:10 Speaker 52: months, maintain two of their parking
03:57:12 Speaker 52: lots and have one plowed by
03:57:16 Speaker 52: a contractor. So, in addition to
03:57:17 Speaker 52: the comparators, staff also reached out
03:57:21 Speaker 52: to the health unit regarding the
03:57:23 Speaker 52: impacts of introducing a paid parking
03:57:26 Speaker 52: programme as it relates to equity
03:57:29 Speaker 52: and health. They did provide comments
03:57:32 Speaker 52: that it would it could introduce
03:57:34 Speaker 52: a barrier for some some users.
03:57:36 Speaker 52: And in addition to this, they
03:57:38 Speaker 52: provided a comment indicating that there
03:57:40 Speaker 52: was supporting evidence that allowing equal
03:57:43 Speaker 52: access, i.e., not paid parking, to
03:57:45 Speaker 52: green spaces can be a cost
03:57:48 Speaker 52: saving to the overall healthcare system.
03:57:50 Speaker 52: So, based on what we know
03:57:52 Speaker 52: about the comparators, which is kind
03:57:54 Speaker 52: of difficult to call them comparators
03:57:56 Speaker 52: because they aren't direct comparators with
03:57:58 Speaker 52: the county, knowing that we offer
03:58:00 Speaker 52: very different things. Most of the
03:58:03 Speaker 52: comparators that we have, I've noted
03:58:06 Speaker 52: here, have considerably different amenities available
03:58:10 Speaker 52: as well as features. Staff are
03:58:12 Speaker 52: of the also, as I noted,
03:58:16 Speaker 52: are of the opinion that there
03:58:17 Speaker 52: are only certain lots; those three
03:58:20 Speaker 52: highlighted before: Calapoor, Markdale, and Rockford,
03:58:22 Speaker 52: that should be considered as part
03:58:24 Speaker 52: of a paid parking programme. Should
03:58:28 Speaker 09: have thought about that before I
03:58:32 Speaker 09: started. It's the tongue twister. So
03:58:34 Speaker 09: what we need to consider is
03:58:37 Speaker 09: staff would also need direction on
03:58:39 Speaker 09: whether or not the programme would
03:58:42 Speaker 09: be for visitors or all users.
03:58:45 Speaker 09: So residents versus non-residents. Would parking
03:58:48 Speaker 09: programmemes be for the entire year
03:58:51 Speaker 09: or only certain months? What would
03:58:54 Speaker 09: the impact to staff be to
03:58:58 Speaker 09: implement, monitor, and enforce a programme
03:59:00 Speaker 09: like this? and would the programme
03:59:03 Speaker 09: sustain itself or provide meaningful revenue
03:59:05 Speaker 09: at this time? Staff are of
03:59:06 Speaker 09: the opinion that, based on the
03:59:09 Speaker 09: research provided in the in this
03:59:11 Speaker 09: report, that there are not sufficient
03:59:14 Speaker 09: amenities, natural features, and estimate an
03:59:15 Speaker 09: estimated tourism traffic to justify implementation
03:59:17 Speaker 09: of a paid parking programme at
03:59:20 Speaker 09: this time. Within the report, there
03:59:23 Speaker 09: was also discussion regarding other options
03:59:26 Speaker 09: for parking revenue, which included a
03:59:28 Speaker 09: membership programme like SVCA or a
03:59:29 Speaker 09: voluntary. pay what you can programme,
03:59:32 Speaker 09: however, for similar reasons related to
03:59:35 Speaker 09: the research completed for paid parking,
03:59:37 Speaker 09: staff are not recommending these alternative
03:59:39 Speaker 09: options either. So, in conclusion, the
03:59:42 Speaker 09: recommendation is that this report be
03:59:46 Speaker 09: received and that no paid parking
03:59:49 Speaker 09: system be implemented at this time.
03:59:50 Speaker 09: And I'm happy to take any
03:59:52 Speaker 09: questions. Okay, thank you very much.
03:59:54 Speaker 09: And so, for that, I will
03:59:58 Speaker 09: put it out to committee. The
04:00:00 Speaker 09: whole members for questions. regarding the
04:00:03 Speaker 09: report. Not seeing any hands go
04:00:04 Speaker 09: up. And Madam Clerk, can I
04:00:06 Speaker 09: just confirm no hands up virtually
04:00:10 Speaker 09: as well? Okay, no hands virtually
04:00:14 Speaker 09: as well. So with that, then
04:00:17 Speaker 09: because of all the. the epic
04:00:18 Speaker 09: details that you put in your
04:00:19 Speaker 09: report, looks like we're ready to
04:00:20 Speaker 09: call the question. So I'll ask
04:00:23 Speaker 09: all those in favour, and that
04:00:24 Speaker 09: motion is carried. Thank you very
04:00:25 Speaker 09: much. Okay, so we'll now move
04:00:26 Speaker 09: on to Director Shaw, who will
7.c CSR-CW-12-25 Affordable Housing Funds for Lutheran Social Service Building
A motion was moved and seconded regarding affordable housing funding for a nonprofit provider in Owen Sound. The proposal included capital funds for construction and subsequent operating support contingent on occupancy. A speaker recommended that the agreements be prepared and signed prior to council approval. The body voted on the matter and the motion was carried.
04:00:28 Speaker 09: be introducing item seven C. I'll
04:00:31 Speaker 09: look for a recommendation that report
04:00:32 Speaker 05: CSR CW twelve twenty five regarding
04:00:35 Speaker 05: affordable housing funding for Lutheran Social
04:00:37 Speaker 05: Services affordable. housing to be a
04:00:39 Speaker 05: build be received and that Gray
04:00:42 Speaker 05: County enter into an agreement with
04:00:44 Speaker 05: Luther Lutheran Social Services Owensound Inc
04:00:47 Speaker 05: for one point six million dollars
04:00:49 Speaker 05: in affordable housing funds for forty
04:00:51 Speaker 05: units of affordable and market housing
04:00:53 Speaker 05: and that upon occupancy Gray County
04:00:55 Speaker 05: enter into an agreement for the
04:00:58 Speaker 05: operating funds a total of one
04:01:00 Speaker 05: point four million to be dispersed
04:01:03 Speaker 05: quarterly from the county for the
04:01:05 Speaker 05: next twenty years and that the
04:01:07 Speaker 05: funding letter. be signed prior to
04:01:09 Speaker 05: county council approval in accordance with
04:01:12 Speaker 05: subsection 26.6B of the procedural bylaw
04:01:14 Speaker 05: 513422, and a bylaw be prepared
04:01:16 Speaker 05: authorising the agreements. But the agreements
04:01:20 Speaker 05: for council's consideration. May I ask
04:01:22 Speaker 05: for a mover? Okay, moved by
04:01:26 Speaker 05: Councillor Body, and seconded by Councillor
04:01:27 Speaker 05: Hutchinson. It's now on the floor
04:01:29 Speaker 05: for discussion. Welcome, Director Shaw. Thank
04:01:30 Speaker 05: you. Through you. Gordon. So good
04:01:33 Speaker 05: news. Lutheran Social Services of Owen
04:01:36 Speaker 05: Sound—they're a nonprofit housing provider in
04:01:39 Speaker 05: Owen Sound. They've been providing affordable
04:01:40 Speaker 05: housing for over 30 years, and
04:01:41 Speaker 05: their their board of directors put
04:01:43 Speaker 05: forth a proposal back in February
04:01:45 Speaker 05: of 2023 to develop 40 affordable
04:01:47 Speaker 05: and market units for seniors'
04:01:49 Speaker 05: housing in Owen Sound. They have
04:01:52 Speaker 05: been successful in obtaining. funding through
04:01:53 Speaker 05: the Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corporation
04:01:55 Speaker 05: Affordable Housing Programme, so now they
04:01:57 Speaker 05: are looking to us for the
04:01:59 Speaker 05: funding that we proposed to give
04:02:01 Speaker 05: to them back in in 2023.
04:02:03 Speaker 05: That's 1.6 million dollars in capital
04:02:06 Speaker 05: funding, and then upon occupancy, we
04:02:07 Speaker 05: would look at entering into an
04:02:09 Speaker 05: agreement with them for some operating
04:02:11 Speaker 05: funds to ensure that the project
04:02:13 Speaker 05: maintains its affordability. They are looking
04:02:15 Speaker 05: at 35 one bedrooms. and five
04:02:16 Speaker 05: two bedrooms, and 30 of the
04:02:18 Speaker 05: 40 units are going to be
04:02:21 Speaker 05: accessible, physically accessible, which is great
04:02:24 Speaker 05: for for the clientele. So I'm
04:02:26 Speaker 05: looking for permission to go ahead
04:02:28 Speaker 05: and enter into the agreement of
04:02:29 Speaker 05: 1.6 million. The Canadian Mortgage and
04:02:31 Speaker 05: Housing Corporation requires our agreement in
04:02:32 Speaker 05: order to finalize their funding. We
04:02:35 Speaker 05: will put into our agreement that
04:02:36 Speaker 05: we won't be forwarding any of
04:02:38 Speaker 05: the funds, the actual funds, until.
04:02:40 Speaker 69: they've received official notice of their
04:02:43 Speaker 69: funding from CMHC, and I'm happy
04:02:46 Speaker 69: to answer any questions. Okay, thank
04:02:48 Speaker 69: you. So with that, I'll put
04:02:50 Speaker 69: it out for questions from committee.
04:02:51 Speaker 69: The call numbers. Looking around the
04:02:54 Speaker 69: room, not seeing any hands nor
04:02:56 Speaker 69: online. Well, it appears another EFIC
04:02:58 Speaker 69: report has provided us with the
04:03:00 Speaker 69: details. So it looks like we're
04:03:02 Speaker 69: ready to call the question. Then,
04:03:04 Speaker 69: all those in favour? that motion
04:03:06 Speaker 69: is carried. Thank you very much,
04:03:08 Speaker 69: Director Shaw. And I guess you
04:03:09 Speaker 69: won't be going far. You'll be
04:03:11 Speaker 69: coming back up for another one
04:03:13 Speaker 69: shortly. Okay. So that allows us
04:03:15 Speaker 69: to move on to item seven
04:03:17 Speaker 69: D, and this is CSRCW twenty
04:03:19 Speaker 69: six twenty five. So it's recommended
04:03:20 Speaker 69: that report CSRCW twenty six twenty
04:03:22 Speaker 69: five regarding transitions to permanent housing
04:03:24 Speaker 69: pilot project be received, and that
04:03:25 Speaker 69: the warden and clerk clerk signing,
04:03:28 Speaker 69: and that the warden and clerk
04:03:30 Speaker 69: signing the funding agreement. for three
04:03:31 Speaker 69: hundred sixty-two thousand four hundred twenty
04:03:33 Speaker 69: between the Canadian Alliance to End
04:03:34 Speaker 69: Homelessness Homelessness Reduction Innovation Fund and
04:03:36 Speaker 69: the Corporation of the County of
04:03:37 Speaker 69: Grey in the form substantially provided
04:03:39 Speaker 69: in this report, and that the
04:03:40 Speaker 69: funding of three hundred sixty-two thousand
04:03:42 Speaker 69: four hundred twenty be approved for
04:03:44 Speaker 69: use in twenty twenty-five twenty-six, and
04:03:46 Speaker 69: that the agreement be signed prior
04:03:47 Speaker 69: to County Council approval in accordance
04:03:49 Speaker 69: with with Section twenty-six point. 26.6b
04:03:50 Speaker 69: of the procedural bylaw, according to
04:03:53 Speaker 30: the procedural bylaw 5134-22. May I
04:03:57 Speaker 30: ask for a mover and a
04:04:00 Speaker 30: second? Moved by Councillor Mackie, seconded
04:04:03 Speaker 30: by the Deputy Warden. It's now
04:04:05 Speaker 30: on the floor for discussion. Welcome,
04:04:06 Speaker 30: Mr. Gibson. Thank you, Warden, and
04:04:09 Speaker 30: members of Grey County Council. So
04:04:11 Speaker 48: today, I bring to you what
04:04:15 Speaker 48: I hope you'll join me in
04:04:17 Speaker 48: accepting as a good news story.
04:04:19 Speaker 48: Recently, we received an opportunity to
04:04:25 Speaker 48: apply for some project funding through
04:04:28 Speaker 48: the Canadian. Alliance Ten Homelessness. Their
04:04:30 Speaker 48: specific programme was you had to
04:04:32 Speaker 69: apply for one of two things.
04:04:36 Speaker 69: They were looking at decreasing inflow
04:04:38 Speaker 69: to the homelessness system, or they
04:04:40 Speaker 69: were looking at increasing the number
04:04:42 Speaker 69: of moveouts from the homelessness system
04:04:44 Speaker 69: locally. We qualified to apply for
04:04:46 Speaker 69: these funds because Gray County has
04:04:47 Speaker 69: a quality by names list, and
04:04:49 Speaker 69: we're connected with the Canadian Alliance
04:04:50 Speaker 69: Ten Homelessness through Built for Zero.
04:04:52 Speaker 69: So we worked with our Built
04:04:55 Speaker 69: for Zero coach on the application,
04:04:57 Speaker 69: and we decided that. based on
04:04:59 Speaker 69: the statistics we see locally, we
04:05:02 Speaker 69: were going to pursue the inflow
04:05:04 Speaker 69: decrease. And what we've specifically decided
04:05:06 Speaker 69: to tackle is the returns to
04:05:08 Speaker 69: homelessness. So a lot of times,
04:05:13 Speaker 18: when we're supporting people in moving
04:05:16 Speaker 18: from our by names list, around
04:05:19 Speaker 18: thirty percent of the time they're
04:05:20 Speaker 18: actually returning to the homelessness system
04:05:22 Speaker 18: because of a lack of supports.
04:05:23 Speaker 18: Dealing with those local landlords, getting
04:05:24 Speaker 18: them set up with appropriate referral
04:05:26 Speaker 18: services once they've been housed. So
04:05:27 Speaker 18: this pilot project is. for two
04:05:28 Speaker 18: positions to work with a total
04:05:30 Speaker 18: of 48 households off of our
04:05:31 Speaker 18: buy names list over the 12
04:05:34 Speaker 18: month period, and what they'll be
04:05:35 Speaker 18: doing is touching base with households
04:05:38 Speaker 18: three times a week at minimum.
04:05:40 Speaker 18: They'll be helping to liaise with
04:05:42 Speaker 12: the landlords to intervene in any
04:05:45 Speaker 12: issues that come up early in
04:05:47 Speaker 12: the tenancies. They'll be helping them
04:05:49 Speaker 12: connect to services like things as
04:05:50 Speaker 12: simple as making sure they have
04:05:52 Speaker 12: a phone for the entryway system,
04:05:53 Speaker 12: like things that many of us
04:05:54 Speaker 12: would. would take for granted that
04:05:56 Speaker 12: would be easy. Some people need
04:05:58 Speaker 12: support, and we're going to provide
04:06:00 Speaker 12: that support to ensure that they
04:06:03 Speaker 12: can retain their housing. So we
04:06:05 Speaker 12: think that this is going to
04:06:07 Speaker 12: provide just a really great opportunity
04:06:11 Speaker 37: to reduce those return to homelessness.
04:06:15 Speaker 50: And we've also the Canadian Alliance
04:06:18 Speaker 50: on Homelessness has been wonderful to
04:06:20 Speaker 50: work with. They encourage us to
04:06:23 Speaker 50: ask for more funding. They encourage
04:06:26 Speaker 50: us to ask for rent supplements.
04:06:29 Speaker 50: So it's going to help us
04:06:31 Speaker 50: to subsidize some of those rents.
04:06:33 Speaker 50: While they're working with staff as
04:06:34 Speaker 50: an incentive, and they also encourage
04:06:36 Speaker 50: us to ask for funding around
04:06:39 Speaker 50: some of the accessories needed to
04:06:43 Speaker 69: run a programme like this. So
04:06:46 Speaker 69: we have furnishing costs and and
04:06:48 Speaker 69: things that are really going to
04:06:49 Speaker 69: help propel this programme. Happy to
04:06:50 Speaker 69: take any questions. Okay, thank you.
04:06:52 Speaker 69: I'll look around the room, and
04:06:53 Speaker 69: we'll begin with Councillor Mackey. Thank
04:07:00 Speaker 69: you, Warden. Thanks, Josh, for the
04:07:02 Speaker 69: report. I think this is a
04:07:04 Speaker 69: great opportunity. And my only question
04:07:06 Speaker 37: is the two hundred and fifty.
04:07:08 Speaker 37: dollar engagement incentive is that really
04:07:12 Speaker 37: needed? Should it not be incentive
04:07:15 Speaker 37: enough to want to be homed
04:07:17 Speaker 37: or housed? That's my question. Thanks.
04:07:20 Speaker 37: Thanks, Councillor Mackie and through you,
04:07:22 Speaker 37: Warden. Yes, the incentive of receiving
04:07:25 Speaker 37: those supports and being housed. It
04:07:27 Speaker 37: also allows us to ease households
04:07:29 Speaker 37: into that rental situation in the
04:07:31 Speaker 37: private market. some of these rental
04:07:35 Speaker 37: costs are very high compared to
04:07:38 Speaker 37: somebody's monthly budget. So, having the
04:07:39 Speaker 37: 250 through this programme that the
04:07:41 Speaker 37: county doesn't have to bear the
04:07:44 Speaker 37: cost of is going to allow
04:07:49 Speaker 37: us that six months that we're
04:07:51 Speaker 37: working with the person to connect
04:07:55 Speaker 37: them to probably a different subsidy
04:07:57 Speaker 37: programme. We also receive funding through
04:07:59 Speaker 37: the Canada Ontario Housing Benefit
04:08:01 Speaker 37: for portable housing benefit. We will
04:08:02 Speaker 37: likely transition these households once they've
04:08:05 Speaker 37: been successful in working with staff
04:08:07 Speaker 70: to receive that benefit more. long
04:08:10 Speaker 70: term to ensure that they're sustainable
04:08:13 Speaker 70: moving forward. Any further questions? We'll
04:08:16 Speaker 70: go to Councillor Body. Just a
04:08:18 Speaker 09: comment. Here's one more programme that
04:08:21 Speaker 09: we're adding to the list of
04:08:23 Speaker 09: programmemes that Grey County leads on.
04:08:25 Speaker 09: You know, we go to AIMO
04:08:26 Speaker 09: and we hear from other experts
04:08:29 Speaker 09: that tell us what we need
04:08:31 Speaker 09: to do or what they want
04:08:35 Speaker 09: to do in their municipality, and
04:08:37 Speaker 09: we're doing all of them already.
04:08:39 Speaker 09: And this is just one more
04:08:43 Speaker 09: that has got to help. And
04:08:45 Speaker 09: I hope our public. in our
04:08:48 Speaker 09: community of Gray County, realizes that
04:08:51 Speaker 09: that we're doing these types of
04:08:53 Speaker 09: things, and frankly, leading so many
04:08:56 Speaker 09: other municipalities. And I think you
04:08:58 Speaker 09: can always find somebody homelessness. I'm
04:09:00 Speaker 09: not saying that they're not in
04:09:01 Speaker 09: the street. I'm not saying that
04:09:04 Speaker 09: we'd love to help each and
04:09:07 Speaker 09: every one of them. But I
04:09:08 Speaker 09: think we're doing better. And you
04:09:11 Speaker 09: go to other communities, as we
04:09:13 Speaker 09: will see this weekend in Ottawa
04:09:15 Speaker 09: and other places, that we're
04:09:18 Speaker 09: really doing well. And it
04:09:21 Speaker 09: would be much worse without these
04:09:22 Speaker 09: programmemes. So this is good to
04:09:25 Speaker 09: see. Thanks. Thank you. Any other
04:09:28 Speaker 09: comments, Councillor Gray? My only question
04:09:29 Speaker 09: is, funding. This would appear to
04:09:31 Speaker 09: be a flow through through a
04:09:32 Speaker 09: federal programme through the Canadian Alliance
04:09:36 Speaker 09: to End Homelessness. Are we certainly
04:09:38 Speaker 09: comfortable that they've got multi years
04:09:39 Speaker 68: commitments from the federal government that
04:09:42 Speaker 68: there's nothing that's There's nothing that
04:09:47 Speaker 68: could leave us potentially on the
04:09:50 Speaker 68: hook here. That funding envelope was
04:09:54 Speaker 68: to be discontinued by higher level
04:09:57 Speaker 68: government. Thank you, Councillor, and through
04:09:58 Speaker 68: you, Warden. The pilot is only
04:10:00 Speaker 68: a 12 month pilot, so we're
04:10:01 Speaker 68: we're very confident they have the
04:10:03 Speaker 71: funds for that portion of it.
04:10:07 Speaker 71: And whether or not it becomes
04:10:10 Speaker 71: recurring is something that we'll have
04:10:12 Speaker 71: to have to see. Okay. Thank
04:10:14 Speaker 71: you. Not seeing any further hands.
04:10:17 Speaker 71: then it's been moved and seconded,
04:10:20 Speaker 71: and we've heard the discussion. All
04:10:22 Speaker 71: those in favour? That motion is
04:10:25 Speaker 71: carried. Thank you. And we'll call
7.e CSR-CW-14-25 Architectural Services for EarlyON Redevelopment
Council carried a motion to receive a report on architectural services for the Early On Centre East redevelopment in Hanover. The committee recommended awarding JPM Architecture Inc. the project for $119,750 excluding HST, funded from the Early On reserve fund. The award is to proceed prior to County Council approval under procedural bylaw 5134.22.
04:10:27 Speaker 71: upon Director Shaw again for Item
04:10:30 Speaker 71: Seven E. It's recommended that Report
04:10:37 Speaker 71: CSR CW fourteen twenty five regarding
04:10:39 Speaker 71: Architectural Services for Early On Redevelopment
04:10:39 Speaker 71: be received, and that JPM Architecture
04:10:41 Speaker 71: Inc be awarded the Architectural Services
04:10:42 Speaker 71: Project for the Redevelopment of the
04:10:44 Speaker 71: Early On Centre East. Of the
04:10:46 Speaker 71: early on centre in Hanover, in
04:10:48 Speaker 71: the amount of 119,750, excluses of
04:10:49 Speaker 71: HST, and that the architectural fees
04:10:51 Speaker 71: be funded from the early on
04:10:53 Speaker 71: reserve fund, and that the the
04:10:55 Speaker 09: services be awarded prior to county
04:10:58 Speaker 09: council approval in accordance with section
04:11:00 Speaker 09: 26.6B of the procedural bylaw, according
04:11:03 Speaker 09: to the procedural bylaw 5134.22. So
04:11:05 Speaker 09: with that, may I ask for
04:11:06 Speaker 09: a mover? Moved by Councillor Dicker,
04:11:08 Speaker 68: seconded by Councillor Carleton. It's now
04:11:15 Speaker 68: on the floor for discussion, and
04:11:17 Speaker 68: more good news and progress for
04:11:19 Speaker 68: Early On. Director Shaw, over to
04:11:20 Speaker 68: you. Thank you, and through you,
04:11:25 Speaker 68: Warden. So we're back again, May
04:11:26 Speaker 68: the eighth. Council approved the acquisition
04:11:28 Speaker 68: of the land located in Hanover
04:11:29 Speaker 68: on Seventeenth Street Crescent for the
04:11:31 Speaker 20: redevelopment of our Early On Centre.
04:11:33 Speaker 20: The one that we have in
04:11:36 Speaker 20: Hanover right now is not. meeting
04:11:39 Speaker 20: our needs. We it is our
04:11:41 Speaker 20: largest and most attended. Early on,
04:11:43 Speaker 20: the land was acquired on June
04:11:46 Speaker 20: 16th, and we issued a
04:11:52 Speaker 20: request for proposal on June 16th
04:11:56 Speaker 20: for architectural services. We received six
04:11:58 Speaker 20: bids on the project, and the
04:12:00 Speaker 20: selected bid was JPM Architecture at
04:12:02 Speaker 20: one hundred and nineteen thousand seven
04:12:05 Speaker 20: hundred and fifty dollars, excluding
04:12:07 Speaker 20: HST. JPM JST, JPM Architecture
04:12:10 Speaker 20: is formally Allen Davis Architects. They're
04:12:13 Speaker 20: a local firm out of Godrich.
04:12:15 Speaker 20: We've worked with them before. They
04:12:17 Speaker 20: have experience in early on in
04:12:20 Speaker 20: childcare projects, and we're very happy
04:12:22 Speaker 20: and pleased to be happy
04:12:25 Speaker 20: to be working with them
04:12:27 Speaker 20: again. The project will progress through
04:12:30 Speaker 20: following a few phases, such as
04:12:32 Speaker 20: the schematic design and design development,
04:12:34 Speaker 20: construction documents, the tendering services, construction
04:12:36 Speaker 20: contract administration, and of course the
04:12:38 Speaker 20: construction closeout. We are asking that
04:12:41 Speaker 20: we move ahead before the September
04:12:43 Speaker 20: 11th because we'd like to get
04:12:45 Speaker 20: going, and we want to be
04:12:47 Speaker 20: able to start this build in
04:12:49 Speaker 20: the spring as soon as possible.
04:12:51 Speaker 20: Okay, thank you. I'll look around
04:12:54 Speaker 20: the room to see if there
04:12:56 Speaker 20: are questions and comments for
04:12:58 Speaker 20: you. Okay, not seeing. Oh, yes,
04:13:01 Speaker 20: Councillor Eccles. Thank you, and through
04:13:03 Speaker 20: to you, Miss Shaw. Are we
04:13:05 Speaker 20: going to be doing any more
04:13:08 Speaker 20: of the early on? How many
04:13:10 Speaker 20: buildings do we have other than
04:13:13 Speaker 20: this one? We do have a
04:13:16 Speaker 20: few. I guess where I'm going
04:13:18 Speaker 20: with the question is through the
04:13:19 Speaker 20: paramedic services and our and our
04:13:23 Speaker 20: ambulance. We've basically come up with
04:13:26 Speaker 20: a here's a cutter box. We're
04:13:28 Speaker 20: building one right now, and in
04:13:29 Speaker 20: West Grey, one proposed coming up
04:13:31 Speaker 20: in Grey Highlands, and there's. Great
04:13:33 Speaker 72: Highlands, and it's pretty much bang
04:13:40 Speaker 72: bang. Here it is, architect engineering.
04:13:42 Speaker 72: This is what we have. Just
04:13:45 Speaker 72: wondering whether that process could be
04:13:48 Speaker 72: emulated going forward for early on
04:13:50 Speaker 72: buildings. So the county has
04:13:53 Speaker 72: only one. This is the
04:13:55 Speaker 72: only one that we own, but
04:13:56 Speaker 72: we do run them in other
04:13:58 Speaker 72: areas. But we have other social
04:14:00 Speaker 72: services or children services that
04:14:03 Speaker 56: run them. Certainly, when we're looking
04:14:06 Speaker 56: at developing this, we could make
04:14:10 Speaker 56: sure that we build. something that
04:14:11 Speaker 56: would be appropriate for other early
04:14:13 Speaker 56: ons. This one will be two
04:14:15 Speaker 56: classrooms and some offices and play
04:14:17 Speaker 56: area and whatnot. So certainly could
04:14:21 Speaker 56: be replicated. At this point, we
04:14:24 Speaker 56: don't have any future ideas of
04:14:27 Speaker 56: building another early on, just replacing
04:14:29 Speaker 56: the one that we have. We're
04:14:31 Speaker 56: only required to have the one.
04:14:33 Speaker 56: Okay. Any other questions? Not seeing
04:14:36 Speaker 56: anything further, so I'll call
04:14:40 Speaker 56: the question. All those.
04:14:44 Speaker 56: in favour, and that motion is
04:14:45 Speaker 56: carried. Thank you very much, Director
04:14:47 Speaker 56: Shaw. Okay. So this next one,
04:14:49 Speaker 56: I'll give the clerk a moment
04:14:52 Speaker 56: to go to the lectern while
04:14:53 Speaker 56: I look for a mover and
7.f Grey County Joint Accessibility Advisory Committee minutes dated July 17, 2025
A motion was moved to receive the Gray County Joint Accessibility Advisory Committee minutes dated July 17, 2025, for information, and endorse contained resolutions regarding policy amendments and project reviews. The report described updates to the accessible customer service policy, including grade transit route considerations and training requirements, alongside discussions on playground replacements at Owen Heights and Comeret Park which will feature accessible and sensory play features. Additional topics included the Flesherton Connecting Link reconstruction project where accessible parking was exempted due to space constraints, a sidewalk addition in Markdale incorporating tactile plates, and reviews of multi-year accessibility plans for Blue Mountains and Tallahatchie Mountains.
04:14:58 Speaker 56: a seconder. Item seven F.
04:15:01 Speaker 56: It's recommended that the Gray County
04:15:03 Speaker 56: Joint Accessibility Advisory Committee meeting
04:15:05 Speaker 56: minutes, dated July seventeenth, twenty twenty-five,
04:15:07 Speaker 56: be adopted as presented, and the
04:15:10 Speaker 56: following resolutions contained therein be endorsed.
04:15:12 Speaker 56: Number one, that that report. CCRJAAC0725
04:15:15 Speaker 56: regarding the updated accessible customer service
04:15:18 Speaker 56: policy be received, and that number
04:15:21 Speaker 56: two policy five dash one the
04:15:24 Speaker 56: accessible customer service policy be amended
04:15:26 Speaker 56: as outlined in this report by
04:15:29 Speaker 56: amending the policy statement including grade
04:15:32 Speaker 56: transit route considerations, incorporating assistive devices
04:15:35 Speaker 56: and noting expanded training requirements, and
04:15:37 Speaker 56: number three that in consideration of
04:15:41 Speaker 56: staff report. CS twenty five zero
04:15:43 Speaker 56: seven eight respecting playground replacement at
04:15:46 Speaker 56: Owen at Owen Heights and Comeret
04:15:48 Speaker 56: Park, the Gray County Joint Accessibility
04:15:50 Speaker 56: Advisory Committee review the proposed playground
04:15:52 Speaker 56: replacements and provide advice to the
04:15:55 Speaker 56: City of Owensound in respect to
04:15:56 Speaker 56: accessibility of the proposed layout and
04:15:59 Speaker 56: design of the two new playgrounds.
04:16:00 Speaker 56: And number four, that the report
04:16:03 Speaker 56: Flesherton Connecting Link be presented to
04:16:04 Speaker 56: the Gray County Joint Accessibility Advisory.
04:16:07 Speaker 56: Committee for review and comment, and
04:16:09 Speaker 56: provide input on the need for
04:16:12 Speaker 56: and design and replacement of
04:16:15 Speaker 56: rest areas, and number five that
04:16:20 Speaker 56: the report, Lawrence Street sidewalk addition,
04:16:23 Speaker 56: be received, and number six that
04:16:25 Speaker 56: the Gray County Joint Accessibility Advisory
04:16:27 Speaker 56: Committee provides input on the need
04:16:30 Speaker 56: for and design and placement of
04:16:33 Speaker 56: rest areas for the installation of
04:16:34 Speaker 56: the new concrete sidewalk, and number
04:16:35 Speaker 56: seven that the Tallahatchie Mountains Multi-Year
04:16:41 Speaker 56: Accessibility Plan, twenty twenty-five twenty. Plan
04:16:43 Speaker 56: 2025-26 be presented to the Gray
04:16:45 Speaker 56: County Joint Accessibility Advisory Committee for
04:16:46 Speaker 56: review and comment, and number eight
04:16:48 Speaker 56: that the City of Owensound staff
04:16:51 Speaker 56: report DA 25005 be received for
04:17:01 Speaker 73: information. May I ask for a
04:17:06 Speaker 73: mover and a seconder? Thank you.
04:17:07 Speaker 73: Moved by Councillor Greg, seconded
04:17:10 Speaker 71: by Councillor Keaveny. It's on the
04:17:13 Speaker 71: floor for discussion. Madam Clerk, over
04:17:21 Speaker 71: to you. Thank you, Madam Warden.
04:17:25 Speaker 71: Through you, the Gray County
04:17:27 Speaker 56: Joint Accessibility Advisory Committee met on
04:17:30 Speaker 56: July 17th. The first item up
04:17:33 Speaker 56: for business was amendments to the
04:17:35 Speaker 56: accessible accessible customer service policy. Those
04:17:38 Speaker 56: reflected some housekeeping updates required to
04:17:41 Speaker 56: the policy as part of the
04:17:44 Speaker 56: regular five-year review cycle. The updates
04:17:45 Speaker 56: did include adding GTR considerations and
04:17:46 Speaker 56: elabourating on training requirements, and including
04:17:48 Speaker 56: the assistive devices available for use.
04:17:51 Speaker 56: There was discussion on the new
04:17:56 Speaker 56: playground design at Comrade Park and
04:17:58 Speaker 56: Owen Heights Park in Owen Sound.
04:18:04 Speaker 56: The new playgrounds will include accessible
04:18:07 Speaker 74: and sensory play features, and access
04:18:10 Speaker 74: and access pathway, picnic and seating
04:18:13 Speaker 74: areas. It will include engineered wood
04:18:15 Speaker 74: fiber surface on the ground of
04:18:18 Speaker 74: the playground, and there were questions
04:18:20 Speaker 74: and comments regarding the location of
04:18:24 Speaker 74: accessible swings within the city and
04:18:26 Speaker 74: the accessibility of the wood fiber.
04:18:28 Speaker 74: material, the accessibleplaygroundsontario.ca website was a
04:18:31 Speaker 74: resource that was cited, I believe,
04:18:33 Speaker 74: from Councillor Greg. That's a it's
04:18:35 Speaker 74: a really great resource for anyone
04:18:37 Speaker 74: looking for accessible playgrounds across the
04:18:39 Speaker 74: province. There's a lot of really
04:18:42 Speaker 74: good information on that website. The
04:18:46 Speaker 75: Fleischerton Connecting Link project was discussed.
04:18:54 Speaker 75: This was in Grey Highlands, and
04:18:56 Speaker 75: the reconstruction project included intersection. improvements
04:18:59 Speaker 75: at Grey Road Four and Toronto
04:19:02 Speaker 56: Street, and the reconstruction of 600
04:19:06 Speaker 56: metres of Toronto Road and Sydney
04:19:07 Speaker 56: Street in Flusherton. Due to this
04:19:10 Speaker 56: constraint in space in that vicinity,
04:19:15 Speaker 56: there were no accessible parking on
04:19:20 Speaker 56: street parking spaces able to be
04:19:22 Speaker 56: incorporated into that design. But there
04:19:25 Speaker 56: is an exemption in the legislation
04:19:28 Speaker 56: that speaks to small spaces where
04:19:30 Speaker 56: those accessible parking spaces can't be
04:19:33 Speaker 56: accommodated, so that was relied upon
04:19:36 Speaker 56: in this case. The Lawrence Street
04:19:43 Speaker 76: Sidewalk Addition in Markdale included installation
04:19:47 Speaker 76: of a sidewalk on Lawrence Street
04:19:48 Speaker 76: between McDuff and Wellington. There were
04:19:51 Speaker 76: no comments heard regarding the placement
04:19:55 Speaker 76: or need for rest areas along
04:19:56 Speaker 20: the stretch of sidewalk. There will
04:20:01 Speaker 20: also be tactile plates incorporated into
04:20:03 Speaker 20: the sidewalk as well. The Town
04:20:04 Speaker 20: of Blue Mountains Multi-Year Accessibility Plan
04:20:06 Speaker 20: came forward for review. and there
04:20:09 Speaker 20: was information shared on the Enhancing
04:20:10 Speaker 20: Access to Spaces for Everyone
04:20:12 Speaker 20: Grant, which provides up to sixty
04:20:15 Speaker 20: thousand dollars for projects that improve
04:20:18 Speaker 20: accessibility and lifestyle, active lifestyles supports
04:20:20 Speaker 20: for people with disabilities. That is
04:20:22 Speaker 20: available to municipalities for sure. I
04:20:25 Speaker 20: think only one one application per
04:20:27 Speaker 20: municipality is able to be submitted.
04:20:33 Speaker 20: There was also a report on.
04:20:35 Speaker 20: the site plan application at twenty
04:20:38 Speaker 20: two sixty one Ninth Ave East
04:20:42 Speaker 20: in North Sound that came forward
04:20:45 Speaker 20: for information as well. Okay, thank
04:20:46 Speaker 20: you very much for that explanation.
04:20:48 Speaker 20: So with that, we'll put it
04:20:50 Speaker 20: out in case there are any
04:20:53 Speaker 20: questions from committee of the whole.
04:20:56 Speaker 20: Seeing any? Oh yes, sorry, Councillor
04:20:58 Speaker 20: Arakels. Thank you, Madam Morgan. Through
04:21:01 Speaker 20: you to the committee itself, and
04:21:02 Speaker 20: it's more on the committee structure.
04:21:09 Speaker 20: Are all municipalities represented on this
04:21:12 Speaker 20: committee, or is it a requirement?
04:21:14 Speaker 20: Thank you. So, in Gray County,
04:21:15 Speaker 20: there are all municipalities are represented,
04:21:17 Speaker 77: with the exception of. Chatsworth and
04:21:20 Speaker 77: Meaford, I believe. Meaford has its
04:21:21 Speaker 77: own committee, and Chatsworth isn't large
04:21:23 Speaker 77: enough to require one under the
04:21:25 Speaker 77: legislation. The others have the option
04:21:28 Speaker 77: of having their own or making
04:21:29 Speaker 77: a joint committee. So that is
04:21:32 Speaker 77: the case for the rest of
04:21:35 Speaker 77: them. As plies have decided, with
04:21:37 Speaker 77: the newest member being Owensound to
04:21:39 Speaker 77: join the joint committee and fulfil
04:21:42 Speaker 77: that requirement. And just one little
04:21:44 Speaker 77: further question, because there's some
04:21:47 Speaker 77: committees have been on lately have
04:21:48 Speaker 77: been challenged on governance abilities and
04:21:50 Speaker 77: and some of the minutes that
04:21:52 Speaker 77: they have. It's just on the
04:21:55 Speaker 77: way this committee was adjourned. At
04:21:57 Speaker 77: the bottom, it was on a
04:21:59 Speaker 77: motion from the chair. I just
04:22:01 Speaker 77: kind of strange. I've never seen
04:22:03 Speaker 77: that. done in any of our
04:22:05 Speaker 77: other committees. It's always been, as
04:22:06 Speaker 77: county council, a motion from some
04:22:08 Speaker 77: of the committee members. But this
04:22:10 Speaker 77: one is just—it's not that the
04:22:13 Speaker 77: chair declared it. By the way,
04:22:15 Speaker 77: this is—it's just—it's on a motion
04:22:16 Speaker 77: by the chair. Any comment on
04:22:18 Speaker 77: that? Should be that somebody else
04:22:21 Speaker 77: seconded it. I would have to
04:22:22 Speaker 77: actually go back to see what
04:22:25 Speaker 77: this may be, either a template
04:22:27 Speaker 77: concern or a meeting with mechanic
04:22:30 Speaker 77: concern. I have to go back
04:22:32 Speaker 77: and look at the video. I
04:22:35 Speaker 77: think either the chair would have
04:22:38 Speaker 77: declared it, and then absent any
04:22:40 Speaker 77: opposition from members, under unanimous consent,
04:22:42 Speaker 77: it would. have been considered adjourned.
04:22:45 Speaker 77: But I would agree with you
04:22:46 Speaker 77: that that the terminology there on
04:22:48 Speaker 77: motion of Chair Schultz, we we
04:22:50 Speaker 77: could adjust that to reflect the
04:22:52 Speaker 77: likelihood of unanimous consent adjourning meeting.
04:22:54 Speaker 77: Okay. Thank you. Any other questions?
04:22:56 Speaker 77: Okay. It has been moved and
04:22:58 Speaker 77: seconded. Then I'll call the question.
04:23:00 Speaker 77: All those in favour? and that
04:23:02 Speaker 77: is carried. Thank you. Okay, so
7.g Budget and Finance Committee meeting minutes dated July 23, 2025
The Committee of the Whole reviewed capital and financial updates for housing, economic development, and healthcare, noting increased winter costs and a variance in court security expenses. The committee then prioritized staffing, waste management, and physician recruitment within a shared services report before passing a motion directing staff to report back to the Joint Missile Services Committee by September 26. Finally, the committee considered a report on waste management collaboration within Grey County and approved a motion to investigate shared service opportunities.
04:23:04 Speaker 77: next we move on to 7G,
04:23:06 Speaker 77: and with this, Director Spicer will
04:23:10 Speaker 77: do an introduction. It's recommended that
04:23:11 Speaker 77: the County of Gray Budget and
04:23:13 Speaker 77: Finance Committee meeting minutes, dated July
04:23:15 Speaker 77: twenty third, twenty twenty twenty five,
04:23:16 Speaker 77: be adopted as presented, and the
04:23:17 Speaker 77: following resolutions contained therein be endorsed.
04:23:20 Speaker 77: Number one, that report FRBFC twenty
04:23:22 Speaker 77: five fifteen twenty five regarding the
04:23:24 Speaker 77: twenty twenty five Regarding the 2025
04:23:26 Speaker 77: Capital Project Status Update Report as
04:23:28 Speaker 77: of April 30, 2025, be received
04:23:31 Speaker 77: for information, and that number two,
04:23:33 Speaker 77: the report FRBFC 1425 regarding the
04:23:36 Speaker 77: corporate financial update as of April
04:23:38 Speaker 77: 30 be received for information, and
04:23:41 Speaker 77: number three, that the report FRBFC
04:23:43 Speaker 77: 1325 Healthcare Funding Request 2026 Budget
04:23:45 Speaker 77: be received, and that staff be
04:23:47 Speaker 77: directed to maintain the budgeted two.
04:23:50 Speaker 77: hundred thousand transfer to the healthcare
04:23:51 Speaker 77: initiatives reserve for the twenty twenty
04:23:53 Speaker 77: six budget and twenty twenty seven
04:23:56 Speaker 77: projected budget. With that, I'll ask
04:23:58 Speaker 77: for a mover. Moved by Councillor
04:24:03 Speaker 77: Mackie, seconded by Councillor Dobrine. It's
04:24:05 Speaker 77: on the floor for discussion. Welcome,
04:24:07 Speaker 77: Director Spicer. Thank you, Madam Warden.
04:24:08 Speaker 77: So our meeting on July twenty
04:24:10 Speaker 77: third began with Director Shaw presenting
04:24:12 Speaker 77: an overview of how the housing
04:24:14 Speaker 77: capital budget is developed, part of
04:24:16 Speaker 77: the discussion involved the number of
04:24:19 Speaker 77: units. It was noted over 500
04:24:20 Speaker 77: no one sound, and the addition
04:24:22 Speaker 77: of transitional housing in a former
04:24:23 Speaker 77: motel. Not including the recent additions,
04:24:25 Speaker 77: the value of all assets was
04:24:27 Speaker 77: approximately 236 million dollars. Also discussed
04:24:31 Speaker 77: were the tools used, such as
04:24:33 Speaker 77: the building condition assessments, as well
04:24:35 Speaker 77: as inspections by staff and consultants.
04:24:37 Speaker 77: Staff look at energy efficiency options
04:24:40 Speaker 77: to reduce. operating budgets, cutting projects
04:24:42 Speaker 77: were discussed, and it was noted
04:24:45 Speaker 77: that the operating budget includes the
04:24:48 Speaker 77: cost of making ready units after
04:24:53 Speaker 77: tenant turnovers. There were questions asked
04:24:56 Speaker 77: about a recent project that installed
04:24:58 Speaker 77: heat pumps at a building in
04:25:00 Speaker 77: Miford, and whether energy savings had
04:25:02 Speaker 77: been seen. It was noted for
04:25:05 Speaker 77: this particular property, Gray County only
04:25:08 Speaker 77: pays the cost for the vacant
04:25:12 Speaker 77: units, so we will get some
04:25:13 Speaker 77: data on that. Just we don't
04:25:16 Speaker 77: have the full expense in our
04:25:21 Speaker 68: budgets. Also asked for questions on
04:25:26 Speaker 68: funding and the waitlist, and it
04:25:28 Speaker 68: was noted the waitlist is approximately
04:25:30 Speaker 28: two hundred, sorry, twenty three hundred
04:25:33 Speaker 28: people, and approximately seventy percent of
04:25:34 Speaker 28: those are from Gray County. Director
04:25:36 Speaker 28: Myers presented on economic development, tourism,
04:25:38 Speaker 28: and culture assets. So the buildings
04:25:40 Speaker 28: are the Gray Roots, Morrison Village,
04:25:41 Speaker 28: Sidneyham Campus, as well as two
04:25:44 Speaker 28: vehicles. And Savannah shared that the
04:25:46 Speaker 28: EDTC master plan and the
04:25:48 Speaker 28: building condition assessments are used to
04:25:50 Speaker 28: determine. the timing of capital projects,
04:25:52 Speaker 28: and lifespan is extended if possible.
04:25:53 Speaker 28: So we use the example of
04:25:58 Speaker 28: the tourism vehicle, and some projects
04:26:00 Speaker 28: move ahead based on need. And
04:26:01 Speaker 28: we've had a recent example with
04:26:03 Speaker 28: the schoolhouse roof and the exterior
04:26:06 Speaker 28: doors at Sidney Ham Campus. There
04:26:12 Speaker 28: were questions on the capital contributions
04:26:14 Speaker 28: required for gray roofs, and just
04:26:16 Speaker 28: as a note, that building opened
04:26:20 Speaker 28: in two thousand four, so it's
04:26:22 Speaker 28: twenty one years old. Three reports
04:26:23 Speaker 28: were presented. The first was the
04:26:26 Speaker 28: capital project status report, and that's
04:26:30 Speaker 28: based on actuals to the end
04:26:33 Speaker 28: of April. And it was noted
04:26:36 Speaker 28: there's two hundred and fifty nine
04:26:38 Speaker 28: projects on the report. Next was
04:26:41 Speaker 28: a financial update with the same
04:26:42 Speaker 28: time frame. That noted there was
04:26:44 Speaker 28: a heavier winter than normal, and
04:26:47 Speaker 28: that impacted the transportation, housing, long
04:26:48 Speaker 28: term care, and paramedic services budgets.
04:26:49 Speaker 28: It resulted in increased staff and
04:26:51 Speaker 28: for transportation, higher usage costs for
04:26:55 Speaker 28: materials, higher than expected snow removal
04:26:56 Speaker 28: costs at many. buildings and some
04:27:00 Speaker 28: building repairs for housing. And staff
04:27:01 Speaker 28: noted that the final impact won't
04:27:03 Speaker 28: be known until year end. Also
04:27:04 Speaker 78: depends on how early winter starts
04:27:07 Speaker 78: this fall, and that departments are
04:27:10 Speaker 78: looking for savings in other areas
04:27:12 Speaker 78: to mitigate costs. Actuals to April
04:27:14 Speaker 78: 30th in most cases are too
04:27:16 Speaker 78: early to predict or trend any
04:27:17 Speaker 78: any outcomes. With, for example, a
04:27:19 Speaker 78: lot of costs such as association
04:27:20 Speaker 78: fees are incurred. earlier in the
04:27:22 Speaker 78: year, and then you have no
04:27:23 Speaker 78: expense for the rest of the
04:27:25 Speaker 78: year. We did notice the note
04:27:27 Speaker 78: that the variance for court security
04:27:29 Speaker 78: provided Owen Sound. It's now known
04:27:31 Speaker 78: to exceed budget by just under
04:27:34 Speaker 78: one hundred twenty thousand dollars. That
04:27:36 Speaker 78: will require funding at the end
04:27:37 Speaker 78: of the year, and that the
04:27:40 Speaker 78: amount included in the budget was
04:27:41 Speaker 78: based on best estimates provided mid
04:27:42 Speaker 78: twenty twenty four. The final report
04:27:45 Speaker 78: was healthcare funding requests, which at
04:27:46 Speaker 78: that point there were no requests.
04:27:49 Speaker 78: The only commitment we had for
04:27:52 Speaker 78: 2026 was for Bright Shores, and
04:27:54 Speaker 78: the last year of that $200,000
04:27:56 Speaker 78: annual commitment is 2027. The report
04:27:59 Speaker 78: recommended maintaining the 2025 transfer reserve
04:28:01 Speaker 78: of $209,500, and as you'd see
04:28:02 Speaker 78: in the minutes, that amount was
04:28:04 Speaker 78: amended to $200,000. The meeting wrapped
04:28:07 Speaker 78: up with a discussion on what
04:28:10 Speaker 78: is scheduled for the September meeting,
04:28:12 Speaker 78: and. that'll include reports on budget
04:28:14 Speaker 78: timelines, full-time employee requests for 2026
04:28:15 Speaker 78: and 2027, and information from the
04:28:18 Speaker 78: director of human resources on COLA
04:28:19 Speaker 78: adjustments and collective agreements. Okay, thank
04:28:21 Speaker 78: you. I'll put it out for
04:28:23 Speaker 78: questions. Okay, not seen any. Then
04:28:24 Speaker 78: I'll call the question. All those
04:28:27 Speaker 78: in favour? That motion is carried.
04:28:29 Speaker 78: Thank you. And at this
04:28:32 Speaker 78: point in time, the CAO
04:28:33 Speaker 78: will do the introduction for
04:28:35 Speaker 78: the final item that is here
04:28:39 Speaker 78: on the open agenda. And it's
04:28:41 Speaker 78: recommended that the minutes of the
04:28:45 Speaker 78: Joint Municipal Services Committee meeting, dated
04:28:47 Speaker 78: July 29, 2025, be adopted as
04:28:48 Speaker 78: presented, and the following resolutions contained
04:28:51 Speaker 78: therein be endorsed: Number one, that
04:28:55 Speaker 78: Councillor Body be elected as the
04:28:56 Speaker 78: chair of the Joint Municipal Services
04:28:59 Speaker 78: Committee through to September 2026.
04:29:01 Speaker 78: Number two, that Councillor Dicker be
04:29:03 Speaker 78: elected as the vice chair. of
04:29:06 Speaker 78: the Joint Municipal Services Committee through
04:29:09 Speaker 78: September 2026. Number three, that the
04:29:11 Speaker 78: report CAORJMS 1025, ongoing work and
04:29:13 Speaker 78: background in respect to joint municipal
04:29:17 Speaker 78: service work, be received for information,
04:29:19 Speaker 78: and that report CAORJMS 1125 be
04:29:21 Speaker 78: received, and that members of the
04:29:23 Speaker 78: community of practice be encouraged to
04:29:27 Speaker 78: provide an update to respective member
04:29:29 Speaker 78: municipal councils, and that number six.
04:29:30 Speaker 78: that based on council feedback from
04:29:33 Speaker 78: the community of practice, identify priorities
04:29:34 Speaker 78: for collabourative and/or shared services in
04:29:37 Speaker 78: respect to waste collection, and
04:29:39 Speaker 78: number seven, that staff be
04:29:42 Speaker 78: directed to provide a report back
04:29:43 Speaker 78: to the joint municipal services committee
04:29:45 Speaker 78: on identified services to the next
04:29:48 Speaker 78: meeting. May I ask for
04:29:49 Speaker 78: a mover and a seconder? It's
04:29:52 Speaker 78: moved by Councillor McKay and
04:29:55 Speaker 78: seconded by Councillor Hutchinson. It's now
04:29:57 Speaker 78: on the floor for discussion.
04:29:59 Speaker 78: Over to you, CEO. Over to
04:30:00 Speaker 78: you. See you. Great, thank you
04:30:03 Speaker 78: very much, Ward Matrasos. So, the
04:30:05 Speaker 78: recently created Joint Missile Service Committee
04:30:07 Speaker 78: met for the first time on
04:30:10 Speaker 78: July 29th this year, last month.
04:30:13 Speaker 78: As Ward Matrasos indicated, Council
04:30:16 Speaker 78: Body was elected as chair. Council
04:30:19 Speaker 78: Dicker was elected as vice
04:30:21 Speaker 78: chair. An overview of the terms
04:30:24 Speaker 78: of reference for this committee was
04:30:27 Speaker 78: reviewed with the committee, and just
04:30:29 Speaker 78: as a bit of a recap
04:30:31 Speaker 78: for council, the purpose of this
04:30:34 Speaker 78: committee is to look for opportunities
04:30:36 Speaker 78: for shared services and then to
04:30:38 Speaker 78: develop a recommendation. to council on
04:30:41 Speaker 78: services that have the potential to
04:30:43 Speaker 78: be shared among two or more
04:30:46 Speaker 78: municipalities within Gray County. The focus
04:30:47 Speaker 78: is on services that would improve
04:30:49 Speaker 78: the financial condition of at least
04:30:53 Speaker 78: two municipalities, as well as shared
04:30:54 Speaker 78: services that have the potential to
04:30:56 Speaker 78: improve the level of service for
04:30:59 Speaker 78: residents. The intent is that the
04:31:03 Speaker 78: committee would develop a plan on
04:31:05 Speaker 78: what shared servicing ranges should be
04:31:07 Speaker 78: explored further, and that prioritizing some
04:31:10 Speaker 78: of those those potential services, and
04:31:12 Speaker 78: then bring that back to. council
04:31:14 Speaker 78: for further direction and information. One
04:31:17 Speaker 78: of the actions, as I noted,
04:31:18 Speaker 78: for the committee is to develop
04:31:21 Speaker 78: that priority list of potential shared
04:31:24 Speaker 78: services to be considered for
04:31:27 Speaker 78: council's consideration and direction. As
04:31:30 Speaker 78: the warden indicated through the motion,
04:31:33 Speaker 78: there was a report that was
04:31:36 Speaker 78: presented on ongoing work and background.
04:31:40 Speaker 78: And in order to provide some
04:31:42 Speaker 78: context and background information to the
04:31:46 Speaker 78: committee, staff presented a report on
04:31:48 Speaker 78: the ongoing work that county and
04:31:49 Speaker 78: member municipalities are already doing. when
04:31:51 Speaker 78: it comes to shared services. Guided
04:31:53 Speaker 78: by the strategic plan, the county
04:31:56 Speaker 78: and its member municipalities routinely work
04:31:59 Speaker 78: together and explore opportunities for collabouration
04:32:03 Speaker 78: to find efficiencies and opportunities to
04:32:05 Speaker 78: improve services. An overview was provided,
04:32:07 Speaker 78: excuse me, of the of the
04:32:09 Speaker 78: collabouration framework that was created
04:32:10 Speaker 78: in 2013 and was endorsed by
04:32:13 Speaker 78: council. And this framework was used
04:32:14 Speaker 78: back in that time period to
04:32:16 Speaker 78: explore library services back into. Library
04:32:19 Speaker 78: services. Back in 2014, the principles
04:32:21 Speaker 78: of intent in this framework have
04:32:23 Speaker 78: been used to explore subsequent discussions
04:32:26 Speaker 78: on potential service partnerships, including recent
04:32:28 Speaker 78: discussions in areas such as centralized
04:32:30 Speaker 78: planning services as well as waste
04:32:34 Speaker 78: collection services. The report provides information
04:32:36 Speaker 78: on collabouration and shared services that
04:32:38 Speaker 79: have been created and and discussed
04:32:41 Speaker 79: over the past decade, as examples
04:32:43 Speaker 79: of areas where potential may be
04:32:47 Speaker 79: may exist for greater alignment to
04:32:49 Speaker 79: help inform the discussion of this
04:32:50 Speaker 79: committee. Waste management report. So, staff
04:32:52 Speaker 80: also presented a report highlighting the
04:32:57 Speaker 80: work of the what's called the
04:32:58 Speaker 80: waste management community practice, and it's
04:33:00 Speaker 80: a group consisting of local municipal
04:33:02 Speaker 80: waste managers who share best
04:33:06 Speaker 63: practices and also identify potential collabouration
04:33:10 Speaker 63: opportunities. The waste management community practice
04:33:12 Speaker 63: is supported by both the county
04:33:15 Speaker 63: strategic plan as well as Going
04:33:17 Speaker 63: Green and Gray. Like other service
04:33:20 Speaker 63: areas, municipalities. are already collabourating on
04:33:23 Speaker 63: waste management, including some municipalities sharing
04:33:24 Speaker 63: landfill space, sharing leaf yard waste
04:33:27 Speaker 63: sites, as well as municipalities collabourating
04:33:29 Speaker 63: on household hazardous waste days, just
04:33:30 Speaker 63: to name a few. The report
04:33:32 Speaker 63: also identifies some further collabouration opportunities
04:33:36 Speaker 63: when it comes to waste management,
04:33:39 Speaker 63: things like partnering on recycling and
04:33:41 Speaker 63: diversion services, joint educational campaigns, joint
04:33:44 Speaker 63: procurement of waste collection services, developing
04:33:46 Speaker 63: regional composting facilities to support local
04:33:47 Speaker 63: organic waste composting, collabourating and partnering
04:33:49 Speaker 63: regionally on household hazardous waste programmemes
04:33:51 Speaker 63: and drop-off sites, potential opportunities for
04:33:53 Speaker 63: landfill sharing and access, as well
04:33:55 Speaker 63: as exploring the potential local for
04:33:57 Speaker 63: waste-to-energy partnerships. So many of these
04:33:59 Speaker 63: areas for collabouration could be further
04:34:01 Speaker 63: explored through the development of a
04:34:02 Speaker 63: combined waste management master plan, and
04:34:05 Speaker 63: this could identify priorities for joint
04:34:08 Speaker 63: services. Committee received that report and
04:34:10 Speaker 63: recommend. the members of the community
04:34:12 Speaker 63: practice be encouraged to provide updates
04:34:14 Speaker 63: to their municipal member councils, and
04:34:16 Speaker 63: that based on council feedback, the
04:34:18 Speaker 63: community practice also identify priorities for
04:34:21 Speaker 63: collabourative and shared services with respect
04:34:22 Speaker 63: to waste collection. With respect to
04:34:24 Speaker 63: the list, so the committee then
04:34:26 Speaker 63: did a brainstorming activity where members
04:34:28 Speaker 63: identified some potential shared services that
04:34:30 Speaker 63: could be explored further, and they
04:34:33 Speaker 63: went through an exercise to start
04:34:34 Speaker 63: to prioritize. Ties to start to
04:34:40 Speaker 76: prioritize some of those opportunities. So
04:34:44 Speaker 76: some of the opportunities that were
04:34:47 Speaker 76: identified by the committee: waste management,
04:34:48 Speaker 76: staffing, including areas of air retention
04:34:51 Speaker 76: and skills development, procurement services, policies
04:34:52 Speaker 76: and standards, physician recruitment, services such
04:34:54 Speaker 76: as wastewater and water, equipment sharing
04:34:55 Speaker 76: and leasing of a fleet, building
04:34:59 Speaker 76: inspection services, centralized tax collection, as
04:35:01 Speaker 76: well as information systems. the committee
04:35:04 Speaker 48: discussed and participated in exercise to
04:35:06 Speaker 48: determine which of the above categories
04:35:08 Speaker 48: the committee would like to see
04:35:10 Speaker 48: further information on, and and so
04:35:12 Speaker 48: they went through a prioritization exercise
04:35:13 Speaker 48: and they determined the top three
04:35:15 Speaker 48: as staffing, waste management, and physician
04:35:18 Speaker 48: recruitment as as potential areas to
04:35:23 Speaker 48: focus on. Committee then passed a
04:35:25 Speaker 48: motion directing staff to provide a
04:35:27 Speaker 48: report back to the Joint Missile
04:35:29 Speaker 48: Services Committee, providing some initial information
04:35:31 Speaker 63: on. those identified services at the
04:35:33 Speaker 63: next meeting, and the next meeting
04:35:35 Speaker 63: has been scheduled for September 26.
04:35:37 Speaker 63: The committee was interested in hearing
04:35:40 Speaker 63: any initial feedback that council may
04:35:42 Speaker 63: have with respect to that
04:35:44 Speaker 63: shared service list, as well as
04:35:46 Speaker 63: the top three priority areas that
04:35:48 Speaker 63: were identified by the committee. Happy
04:35:50 Speaker 63: to take any questions. Okay, I'll
04:35:52 Speaker 63: put it out there. Let's begin
04:35:54 Speaker 63: with the deputy warden. Thank you,
04:35:55 Speaker 63: Madam Warden. Randy. it mentions in
04:35:56 Speaker 63: the report that the committee discussed
04:35:58 Speaker 63: increased usage of incinerators in Ontario.
04:36:01 Speaker 63: Where's that happening? To my knowledge,
04:36:04 Speaker 63: there hasn't been an incinerator built
04:36:07 Speaker 63: in Ontario in decades. But I'm
04:36:08 Speaker 63: just curious to know. Please. Through
04:36:10 Speaker 63: you, Madam Warden, I was in
04:36:12 Speaker 63: that. It might have been a
04:36:13 Speaker 63: typo or miscommunication in terms of
04:36:16 Speaker 63: incinerators. The incinerator discussion is is
04:36:18 Speaker 63: definitely. Becoming more prevalent just based
04:36:21 Speaker 63: on overall landfill capacity throughout the
04:36:24 Speaker 63: province. What was identified at a
04:36:26 Speaker 63: recent conference that staff were able
04:36:28 Speaker 63: to attend was noting that collectively,
04:36:30 Speaker 63: overall landfill capacity across the province
04:36:32 Speaker 63: is less than ten years of
04:36:35 Speaker 63: landfill capacity. And as we all
04:36:39 Speaker 63: know, that the to in order
04:36:43 Speaker 63: to get to an approval of
04:36:46 Speaker 63: a new landfill site, it takes
04:36:47 Speaker 63: many many years. So in terms
04:36:52 Speaker 63: of the words that where
04:36:54 Speaker 63: I expressed at that conference, in
04:36:56 Speaker 63: terms of waste management becoming a
04:37:00 Speaker 63: potential crisis, that was definitely expressed
04:37:02 Speaker 63: as part of that conference. Just
04:37:04 Speaker 63: based on overall landfill capacity, through
04:37:05 Speaker 63: that there was discussions about looking
04:37:07 Speaker 63: at other opportunities in order to
04:37:08 Speaker 63: how how we deal with this
04:37:10 Speaker 63: waste beyond diversion, which should be
04:37:11 Speaker 63: our number one. Is we still
04:37:12 Speaker 63: have some waste that we need
04:37:15 Speaker 55: to potentially get rid of, and
04:37:23 Speaker 55: there was concerns at that time
04:37:25 Speaker 55: too that if the the border
04:37:26 Speaker 55: was closed off to be able
04:37:28 Speaker 55: to ship any waste south into
04:37:29 Speaker 55: the states, what does that look
04:37:34 Speaker 55: like in terms of then that
04:37:35 Speaker 55: crisis now becoming even more of
04:37:36 Speaker 55: a crisis? And so, looking for
04:37:38 Speaker 55: those other alternative measures in order
04:37:39 Speaker 55: to how we manage our overall
04:37:41 Speaker 55: waste. So, although there's not incinerators
04:37:43 Speaker 58: that I'm aware of at this
04:37:45 Speaker 58: stage, there are others that are
04:37:47 Speaker 58: looking at potential incineration as an
04:37:50 Speaker 58: option if if and when
04:37:52 Speaker 58: we might get. to some of
04:37:55 Speaker 58: those situations I just described.
04:37:57 Speaker 58: Okay. Other questions? Okay. Not.
04:37:59 Speaker 58: Oh, there we go. Councillor Mackey.
04:38:01 Speaker 58: Thanks, Warden. Thanks, Randy, for the
04:38:03 Speaker 58: update. I'm just wondering the the
04:38:06 Speaker 58: waste. I think it was a
04:38:07 Speaker 58: couple years ago that County Council
04:38:08 Speaker 58: asked to look at you know
04:38:13 Speaker 58: the joint waste situation. Really, not
04:38:16 Speaker 58: heard anything in the last two
04:38:17 Speaker 58: years until today. So. is the
04:38:18 Speaker 58: group making much progress, and why
04:38:19 Speaker 58: aren't we hearing anything at a lower tier level?
04:38:19 Speaker 58: We're having to make decisions around waste management on a regular basis, and it would be nice to have that input and to know where that direction possibly might be leading.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: Thank you.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: To you, Warren Majorsovs, and so this was actually our first update to be able to provide, and we provided through the Joint Missile Service Committee because we.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: Services Committee, because we've identified it as based through that community practice an area of potential collabouration and sharing of services.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: So that was that report that was presented to the Joint Missiles Services Committee captured basically all the information that's been generated and collected over the past couple years with respect to that that committee and that group.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: We started initially with just doing a kind of a state of the nation in terms of what what does our existing waste management processes and systems look like across Great.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: Systems look like across Gray County, so we've captured all that information into into a report, as well as identifying what are those potential areas of collabouration.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: So that that report that was presented to the Joint Municipal Services Committee is a summary of all that work.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: If for those that haven't reviewed that report, I encourage encourage members to review that, and we're happy to if council is interested in hearing an overall presentation of about that report, we're happy.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: to share the the presentation that was provided to the Joint Municipal Service Committee.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: It's as noted.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: There's already collabouration happening in in your own municipality in Chatsworth.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: Councillor Councillor Mackie is sharing landfill space with with your neighbours to the south and Grey Highlands.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: Municipalities are sharing leaf and yard waste.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: Municipalities are already sharing household hazardous waste days.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: So there's already collabouration.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: happening, and the waste management community practice has identified some further opportunities for collabouration.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: And I think this is where the Joint Missile Service community said, "Let's look into this a little bit further." So that's why it became one of their top three in terms of digging into some of those some of those opportunities further.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: That makes sense.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: Okay.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: Thank you.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: Okay.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: Not seeing any further hands.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: In that case, then.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: I'll call the question.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: All those in favour?
04:38:20 Speaker 58: And that motion is carried.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: Thank you.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: Thank you very much, Cao.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: Okay.
8 Closed Meeting Matters
The meeting proceeded to item eight, which addressed closed meeting matters.
04:38:20 Speaker 58: So at this point in time, then we are now at item eight, which is closed meeting matters.
04:38:21 Speaker 58: It's recommended that the committee, the whole, does now go into closed session pursuant to section two thirty nine two of the Municipal Act two thousand and one as amended, to discuss number one, labour relations or employee negotiations regarding QP fifteen thirty, and number two.
04:38:21 Speaker 58: 1530 and number two, advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege, including communications necessary for that purpose regarding board of health membership, and this was added to the agenda on August 13th, 2025.
04:38:21 Speaker 58: So with that, I will ask for a mover.
04:38:21 Speaker 58: It's moved by Councillor Patterson, seconded by Councillor Pringle, and all those in favour.
04:38:21 Speaker 58: Okay, so we thank you.
04:38:21 Speaker 58: That motion is carried.
04:38:21 Speaker 58: We will now do the switch over with the people in the room and the technology.
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