Grey County County Council Meeting Transcript — July 24, 2025

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Grey County · County Council · July 24, 2025

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County Council convened on July 24, 2025, to receive reports from subordinate committees regarding closed sessions and to consider bylaws covering land disposition, traffic regulation, and council proceedings. The body moved quickly through its agenda before carrying a motion to adjourn the session with no recorded discussion.

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1 Call to Order

A speaker called to order the County Council meeting of July 24, 2025.

00:06:01 Speaker 01: now like to call to order

00:06:02 Speaker 01: this County Council meeting of July

00:06:04 Speaker 02: twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. At

00:06:06 Speaker 02: this point in time, as you

00:06:07 Speaker 02: are able, please join us in

2 O Canada

Council members sang the national anthem O Canada.

00:06:09 Speaker 02: the standing and singing of O

00:06:10 Speaker 03: Canada. Our home and oh Canada,

00:06:25 Speaker 04: our home and native land. True

00:06:30 Speaker 04: patriot love in all of us

00:06:35 Speaker 04: command. With glowing hearts we. Owing

00:06:41 Speaker 05: hearts, we see thee rise, the

00:06:44 Speaker 05: true North, strong and free, from

00:06:49 Speaker 05: far and wide, O Canada, we

00:06:53 Speaker 05: stand on guard for thee. God

00:07:01 Speaker 05: keep our land, glorious and free,

00:07:08 Speaker 05: O Canada, we. stand on guard

00:07:15 Speaker 05: for thee. Oh, Canada, we stand

00:07:21 Speaker 05: on guard for thee. Thank you,

3 Roll Call

A speaker requested a roll call to determine attendance. The clerk confirmed that all members were present except Councillors Eccles and McQueen.

00:07:32 Speaker 05: Madam Clerk. Could you please conduct

00:07:37 Speaker 05: our roll call, Counselor Mackenzie?

00:07:40 Speaker 05: Councillor Mackie, Councillor McKay,

00:07:42 Speaker 05: Councillor Carleton, Councillor Pringle, Councillor McQueen

00:07:44 Speaker 05: is absent at this time.

00:07:48 Speaker 05: Councillor Nielsen, Councillor Patterson, Councillor

00:07:51 Speaker 05: Dickert, Councillor Kentner, Councillor Kieveny,

00:07:56 Speaker 05: Councillor Body, Councillor Gregg, Councillor

00:08:00 Speaker 05: Milne, Councillor Dobreen, Warden

00:08:05 Speaker 05: Matrosovs, Councillor Bourignon, Councillor. Eccles, I

00:08:07 Speaker 06: believe, is joining us shortly, and

00:08:11 Speaker 06: Councillor Hutchinson. Thank you. We have

00:08:12 Speaker 06: all members in attendance, with the

00:08:13 Speaker 06: exception of Councillors Eccles and McQueen.

00:08:18 Speaker 07: Thank you, Madam Clerk. Let us

4 Land Acknowledgement

A speaker began by acknowledging that the gathering occurs on the traditional territory of the Niitsauk Nation, the people of the Three Fires, known as the Ojibwe, Odawa, and Potawatomi Nations. The speaker further gave thanks to the Chippewas of Sogeeen and the Chippewas of Nawash, collectively known as the Sogeeen Ojibwe Nation, who are the traditional keepers of these lands and waters since time immemorial. Additionally, the speaker noted that south of the county lies the traditional territories of the Six Nations of the Grand River Haudenosaunee. The body expressed dedication to honouring Indigenous history and culture while committing to moving forward in the spirit of truth, reconciliation, and friendship with all First Nations, Métis, and Inuit people.

00:08:21 Speaker 07: begin by respectfully acknowledging that we

00:08:23 Speaker 07: are gathering on the traditional territory

00:08:25 Speaker 07: of the Niitsauk Nation, the people

00:08:27 Speaker 07: of the Three Fires, known as

00:08:29 Speaker 07: the Ojibwe, the Odawa, and the

00:08:32 Speaker 07: Potawatomi Nations, and further, we give

00:08:34 Speaker 07: thanks to the. Chippewas of Sogeeen

00:08:36 Speaker 07: and the Chippewas of Nawash, known

00:08:39 Speaker 07: collectively as Sogeeen Ojibwe Nation, the

00:08:42 Speaker 07: traditional keepers of these lands and

00:08:45 Speaker 07: waters since time immemorial. In our

00:08:47 Speaker 07: south of our county lies the

00:08:48 Speaker 07: traditional territories of the Six Nations

00:08:50 Speaker 07: of the Grand River Haudenosaunee. We

00:08:54 Speaker 07: are dedicated to honouring Indigenous history

00:08:57 Speaker 07: and culture, and committed to moving

00:08:58 Speaker 07: forward in the spirit of truth,

00:09:02 Speaker 08: reconciliation, and friendship with all First.

00:09:04 Speaker 09: Nations, Métis, and Inuit people. At

5 Declaration of Interest

Council adopted minutes with no declared interests.

00:09:09 Speaker 09: this point in time, I'd like

00:09:09 Speaker 09: to put a call out if

00:09:10 Speaker 09: there are any declarations of interest

00:09:13 Speaker 10: for this council agenda. And I

00:09:15 Speaker 10: am seeing no hands on, hands

00:09:17 Speaker 02: up, so we'll proceed. Item six

00:09:20 Speaker 02: is the adoption of the minutes.

00:09:22 Speaker 02: It's recommended that the minutes of

00:09:23 Speaker 02: County Council meeting and committee, the

00:09:25 Speaker 02: whole meeting dated July tenth, twenty

00:09:27 Speaker 02: twenty five, and the resolutions contained

00:09:29 Speaker 02: therein be adopted as presented. May

00:09:30 Speaker 02: I ask for a mover? May

00:09:32 Speaker 02: ask for a mover. Moved by

00:09:35 Speaker 02: the deputy warden and seconded by

00:09:38 Speaker 02: Councillor Hutchinson. Any discussion? All those

00:09:40 Speaker 02: in favour? And that motion is

00:09:42 Speaker 02: carried. Next, it's recommended that the

6.b Closed Committee of the Whole meeting minutes dated July 10, 2025

Council adopted the closed session committee of the whole minutes dated July 10, 2025.

00:09:44 Speaker 02: closed session committee of the whole

00:09:46 Speaker 02: meet committee of the whole meeting

00:09:49 Speaker 02: minutes, dated July 10, 2025, be

00:09:51 Speaker 02: adopted as provided. May ask for

00:09:54 Speaker 02: a mover. Moved by Councillor Nielsen.

00:09:57 Speaker 02: Seconded by Councillor Kieveny. Any discussion?

00:10:01 Speaker 02: All those in favour? And that

6.c Long-Term Care Committee of Management meeting minutes July 3, 2025

The agenda item listed Long-Term Care Committee of Management meeting minutes from July 3, 2025.

00:10:03 Speaker 02: motion is carried. Item six C,

6.d Long-Term Care Committee of Management closed meeting minutes dated July 3, 2025

A councillor recommended that the Long Term Care Committee closed session minutes dated July 3, 2025 be adopted along with resolutions for a director update, operational report, and financial update received for information. Council carried a motion to adopt those closed session minutes and passed three bylaws regarding land disposition, traffic regulation, and council proceedings.

00:10:05 Speaker 02: with regards to our long term

00:10:07 Speaker 02: care committee, it's recommended that the

00:10:09 Speaker 02: long term care committee of the

00:10:12 Speaker 02: committee of management meeting minutes dated

00:10:15 Speaker 02: July third, twenty twenty five, be

00:10:17 Speaker 02: adopted as presented, and that the

00:10:21 Speaker 02: following resolutions contained therein be endorsed.

00:10:24 Speaker 02: Number one, that report LTCRCM ten

00:10:27 Speaker 02: twenty five regarding a long term

00:10:30 Speaker 02: care director update be received for

00:10:35 Speaker 02: information. Number two, that report LTCRCM

00:10:37 Speaker 02: eleven twenty five regarding a long

00:10:39 Speaker 02: term care operational report dated April

00:10:41 Speaker 02: fifteenth to June fourteenth, twenty twenty

00:10:43 Speaker 02: five, be received for information, and

00:10:47 Speaker 02: that the title the report titled

00:10:50 Speaker 02: LTCRCM twelve twenty five long term

00:10:51 Speaker 02: care financial update as as of

00:10:54 Speaker 02: April thirtieth be received for information.

00:10:55 Speaker 02: May ask for a mover

00:10:57 Speaker 02: and a seconder to move by

00:10:58 Speaker 02: Councillor Patterson, seconded by Councillor. Mackie,

00:11:00 Speaker 02: and with that, I'd like to

00:11:01 Speaker 02: invite Director Cornell to come to

00:11:07 Speaker 11: the lectern to speak to it.

00:11:11 Speaker 11: Thank you, Warden Matrosovs, and through

00:11:13 Speaker 11: you, good morning, County Council. I'll

00:11:14 Speaker 11: just provide a summary of the

00:11:16 Speaker 12: meeting, and I'm just going to

00:11:19 Speaker 12: highlight items that we haven't discussed

00:11:21 Speaker 12: before. So we started the meeting

00:11:22 Speaker 13: in a really great way, and

00:11:26 Speaker 13: we had a tour of the

00:11:30 Speaker 13: new Rockwood redevelopment, and. it was,

00:11:35 Speaker 13: it was really exciting. The the

00:11:36 Speaker 13: crew was actively craning structural pieces

00:11:38 Speaker 13: onto the building, and things are

00:11:41 Speaker 13: moving right along. So it's really

00:11:44 Speaker 13: exciting. In terms of an update

00:11:46 Speaker 13: from the meeting, some highlights of

00:11:50 Speaker 13: the director's update: there were some

00:11:51 Speaker 13: ministry updates, further information about items

00:11:53 Speaker 13: that we've already talked about in

00:11:56 Speaker 13: terms of legislation, and and it

00:11:59 Speaker 13: moving. through the process, we held

00:12:02 Speaker 13: our quarterly family virtual call. So

00:12:05 Speaker 13: we host these quarterly an opportunity

00:12:08 Speaker 13: to give an update to residents,

00:12:10 Speaker 13: families, caregivers, and there's an opportunity

00:12:12 Speaker 13: for a question and answer. So

00:12:14 Speaker 13: we hosted that. We had invited

00:12:17 Speaker 13: guests to that virtual meeting, Silver

00:12:19 Speaker 13: Fox Pharmacy, which is the the

00:12:21 Speaker 13: new pharmacy, and there was some

00:12:23 Speaker 13: really good engagement with family members

00:12:27 Speaker 13: on the call with some questions.

00:12:28 Speaker 13: Family members on the call, some

00:12:32 Speaker 13: questions about that change. We, I

00:12:33 Speaker 13: just want to highlight that we

00:12:35 Speaker 13: welcome back a number of students

00:12:38 Speaker 13: to that that provide support and

00:12:43 Speaker 13: work during the summer as team

00:12:46 Speaker 13: members. Many of them are actively

00:12:49 Speaker 13: in school taking their RN or

00:12:50 Speaker 13: RPN designations. We also partnered with

00:12:53 Speaker 13: Ontario Centres for Learning Research and

00:12:57 Speaker 13: Innovations, so CLRI, and Grey County

00:13:00 Speaker 13: to renew the. Gray County to

00:13:02 Speaker 13: renew the personal support worker education

00:13:04 Speaker 13: fund that offered a series of

00:13:06 Speaker 13: six education sessions to PSWs across

00:13:08 Speaker 13: the the Gray and Bruce regions.

00:13:10 Speaker 13: So we helped coordinate it, and

00:13:12 Speaker 13: it wasn't just limited to attendees

00:13:16 Speaker 13: from the Gray County or Bruce

00:13:18 Speaker 13: County homes, but it was to

00:13:20 Speaker 13: PSWs in all of the sixteen,

00:13:21 Speaker 13: seventeen long term care homes in

00:13:23 Speaker 13: Gray Bruce. I also wanted to

00:13:26 Speaker 13: highlight that Karen Kraus is the

00:13:28 Speaker 13: current. executive director at Rockwood Terrace.

00:13:33 Speaker 13: Has accepted a new role as

00:13:36 Speaker 14: project lead for operational readiness for

00:13:38 Speaker 14: the Rockwood Terrace redevelopment, where she

00:13:40 Speaker 14: will help the county and residents

00:13:42 Speaker 14: in the transition to the new

00:13:44 Speaker 14: location. And operational readiness—it doesn't even

00:13:46 Speaker 14: sound easy when you say it

00:13:48 Speaker 13: fast. There's a lot of work

00:13:51 Speaker 13: to be done to be ready

00:13:53 Speaker 13: to move into a new long-term

00:13:55 Speaker 13: care home to meet all of

00:13:58 Speaker 13: the the standards, to pass ministry

00:14:00 Speaker 13: inspections, etc., and so she will

00:14:02 Speaker 13: be taking on the lead for

00:14:05 Speaker 13: that work. And the report says

00:14:07 Speaker 13: that we were actively recruiting to

00:14:09 Speaker 13: backfill her position, but we were

00:14:11 Speaker 13: able to announce yesterday that Terry

00:14:14 Speaker 13: Fisher, who is the current resident

00:14:17 Speaker 13: family services manager at Rockwood Terrace,

00:14:18 Speaker 13: will be stepping into the role

00:14:20 Speaker 13: of executive director in September, and

00:14:24 Speaker 13: she'll be working in partnership with.

00:14:26 Speaker 13: Karen to get ready for the

00:14:28 Speaker 13: move, and then we'll be leading

00:14:29 Speaker 13: the home as the executive director

00:14:31 Speaker 13: going forward. So that was an

00:14:34 Speaker 13: exciting announcement to be able to

00:14:35 Speaker 13: share from the operational report. A

00:14:39 Speaker 13: couple of highlights: we had some

00:14:41 Speaker 13: really good discussion. Dana Leach, our

00:14:42 Speaker 13: clinical specialist, talked about end of

00:14:47 Speaker 13: life and palliative care practices. This

00:14:51 Speaker 13: is important because it's important to

00:14:52 Speaker 13: people's lives, and it's important because

00:14:55 Speaker 13: there's a legislative. Of encouragement and

00:14:58 Speaker 13: requirement to be implementing palliative care

00:15:00 Speaker 13: models within our long-term care homes,

00:15:02 Speaker 13: and so there was an update

00:15:05 Speaker 13: on the work happening in that

00:15:07 Speaker 13: area. Karen gave an update across

00:15:10 Speaker 13: the three homes regarding ministry inspections,

00:15:13 Speaker 13: and all three homes had visits

00:15:16 Speaker 13: from inspectors during the reporting period.

00:15:18 Speaker 13: And in addition to that, Rockwood

00:15:20 Speaker 13: Terrace had a proactive compliance inspection,

00:15:23 Speaker 13: and it used. to be called

00:15:25 Speaker 13: an RQI, a required quality inspection,

00:15:27 Speaker 13: but the name has has been

00:15:33 Speaker 13: updated to proactive compliance inspection, where

00:15:37 Speaker 13: two inspectors were on site for

00:15:39 Speaker 13: 12 days, just to give you

00:15:41 Speaker 13: a sense of how in depth

00:15:43 Speaker 13: those inspections are. Shannon gave an

00:15:47 Speaker 13: update around two emergency situations that

00:15:48 Speaker 13: happened during the reporting period, so

00:15:49 Speaker 13: both Gray Gables and Rock. So

00:15:52 Speaker 13: both Gray Gables and Rockwood Terrace

00:15:57 Speaker 13: experienced some an emergency. Gray Gables

00:15:59 Speaker 13: had an electrical fire, which resulted

00:16:01 Speaker 13: in the use of a of

00:16:03 Speaker 13: a fire extinguisher. All residents and

00:16:06 Speaker 13: staff were removed safely. Everything was

00:16:09 Speaker 13: contained. And Rockwood Terrace had the

00:16:11 Speaker 13: smell of an electrical smell, but

00:16:12 Speaker 13: the incident did not trip the

00:16:14 Speaker 13: fire alarm. and And staff followed

00:16:16 Speaker 13: the the evacuation process, and everyone

00:16:18 Speaker 13: was safe, and and everything was.

00:16:22 Speaker 13: managed and taken care of, and

00:16:23 Speaker 13: I want to just highlight that

00:16:26 Speaker 13: the training and practicing that we

00:16:28 Speaker 13: do every month, as required under

00:16:30 Speaker 13: a number of sets of legislation,

00:16:31 Speaker 13: came in handy and proved to

00:16:35 Speaker 13: be really effective. And the teams

00:16:37 Speaker 13: at both homes responded quickly, appropriately,

00:16:39 Speaker 13: and did all the right things.

00:16:41 Speaker 13: So I just wanted to do

00:16:45 Speaker 13: a well done to the team

00:16:48 Speaker 13: under very stressful situation. And finally,

00:16:50 Speaker 13: Tawlene Parkin, the executive director at

00:16:52 Speaker 13: Lee Manor. shared a colour at

00:16:55 Speaker 13: story, which we always highlight in

00:16:56 Speaker 13: our meetings. And this, this story

00:16:59 Speaker 13: that she shared was the above

00:17:02 Speaker 13: and beyond efforts that team members

00:17:05 Speaker 13: made to support a resident who

00:17:08 Speaker 13: had moved in where English they

00:17:09 Speaker 13: had lost their English skills and

00:17:11 Speaker 13: and were speaking in their native

00:17:12 Speaker 13: language. And team members stepped up.

00:17:18 Speaker 13: They used technology to learn words

00:17:21 Speaker 13: and phrases. and they even found

00:17:23 Speaker 13: a team member who was familiar

00:17:27 Speaker 13: with the language to be able

00:17:29 Speaker 13: to support that resident in a

00:17:31 Speaker 13: really difficult transition. Marcus Hanco, the

00:17:34 Speaker 13: the long term care financial manager,

00:17:37 Speaker 13: provided an up a financial update

00:17:39 Speaker 13: as of April 30th. It's it's

00:17:41 Speaker 13: important to note that April is

00:17:43 Speaker 13: still quite early to be able

00:17:46 Speaker 13: to give a really solid projection

00:17:48 Speaker 13: of where things are going. it's

00:17:51 Speaker 13: before the summer season, where people

00:17:54 Speaker 13: are on vacation, where we may

00:17:58 Speaker 13: have some staffing challenges, that kind

00:18:00 Speaker 13: of thing in terms of staffing.

00:18:03 Speaker 13: But just to highlight, at that

00:18:06 Speaker 13: time, Gray Gables was presenting to

00:18:08 Speaker 13: be over budget by 122,000. That's

00:18:10 Speaker 13: related to directly to snow removal.

00:18:12 Speaker 13: Last winter was a quite a

00:18:14 Speaker 13: harsh winter. Lee Manor is currently

00:18:16 Speaker 13: under budget. of eighty six thousand,

00:18:19 Speaker 13: and Rockwood Terrace is under budget

00:18:20 Speaker 13: around one hundred and eighty five

00:18:22 Speaker 13: thousand. But again, it's a little

00:18:24 Speaker 13: early to make those projections. Just

00:18:25 Speaker 15: enough to be able to say,

00:18:30 Speaker 15: track. It's it's looking good, and

00:18:32 Speaker 15: and we're on top of it.

00:18:33 Speaker 16: We had closed meeting matters, and

00:18:38 Speaker 16: then the meeting was adjourned. So

00:18:39 Speaker 16: thank you, and if there's any

00:18:40 Speaker 16: questions, happy to take those. Thank

00:18:41 Speaker 16: you very much. So with that,

00:18:43 Speaker 16: I'll put it out to council

00:18:44 Speaker 16: members if they have any questions.

00:18:46 Speaker 16: And a number of us were

00:18:48 Speaker 17: able to be on that tour,

00:18:51 Speaker 17: so thank you very much for

00:18:52 Speaker 17: that opportunity. It was wonderful to

00:18:54 Speaker 17: be able to actually see it

00:18:55 Speaker 18: coming to fruition after looking at

00:18:58 Speaker 19: it in many reports and many

00:19:02 Speaker 19: maps and diagrams. So with that,

00:19:04 Speaker 02: I don't see any further questions.

00:19:06 Speaker 02: Then, so thank you, Director Canal.

00:19:08 Speaker 02: I'll call the question. All those

00:19:11 Speaker 02: in favour? And that motion is

00:19:13 Speaker 02: carried. Thank you. We do have

00:19:15 Speaker 02: one more long-term care committee item.

00:19:17 Speaker 02: We it is recommended that the

00:19:20 Speaker 02: closed session of the long-term care

00:19:23 Speaker 02: committee management meeting minutes dated July

00:19:25 Speaker 02: 3rd, 2025, be adopted as provided.

00:19:26 Speaker 02: May I ask for a mover?

00:19:28 Speaker 02: Moved by Councillor Mackie, seconded by

00:19:30 Speaker 02: Councillor Dobrin. Any discussion? All those

00:19:33 Speaker 02: in favour? And that motion is

00:19:35 Speaker 02: carried. We do not have any

00:19:36 Speaker 02: closed matters to attend to this

00:19:39 Speaker 02: morning, nor reports. So we'll move

00:19:41 Speaker 02: on to the bylaws. It's recommended

00:19:43 Speaker 02: that bylaw fifty two forty three

00:19:44 Speaker 02: twenty five and fifty two forty

00:19:46 Speaker 02: four twenty five and fifty two

00:19:48 Speaker 02: forty five twenty five be introduced

00:19:50 Speaker 02: and and be taken as read

00:19:52 Speaker 02: a first second and third time

00:19:54 Speaker 02: finally passed. It's signed by the

00:19:55 Speaker 02: warden and the clerk, sealed with

00:19:58 Speaker 02: the seal of the corporation, and

00:20:01 Speaker 02: engrossed to the bylaw book. Number

00:20:04 Speaker 02: one fifty two forty three twenty

00:20:06 Speaker 02: five a bylaw to authorise the

00:20:10 Speaker 02: disposition of certain lands in the

00:20:11 Speaker 02: city of Owen Sound as described

00:20:14 Speaker 02: in Schedule A. number two, fifty-two

00:20:16 Speaker 02: forty-four twenty-five, a bylaw to amend

00:20:19 Speaker 02: Schedules D, G, H, O, and

00:20:20 Speaker 02: U of Bylaw four seven eight

00:20:22 Speaker 02: eight thirteen, being a bylaw to

00:20:23 Speaker 02: regulate traffic and parking on highways

00:20:26 Speaker 02: within Gray County, the Gray County

00:20:29 Speaker 02: Road System, and number three, fifty-two

00:20:31 Speaker 20: forty-five twenty-five, a bylaw to confirm

00:20:34 Speaker 20: all the actions and proceedings of

00:20:36 Speaker 20: the Council. May I ask for

00:20:37 Speaker 02: a mover? Moved by Councillor Dicker,

00:20:40 Speaker 02: seconded by Councillor. Hutchinson. Any discussion?

00:20:41 Speaker 02: All those in favour? And that

00:20:43 Speaker 02: motion is carried. All right. Well,

00:20:44 Speaker 02: we've already heard some excellent news

00:20:45 Speaker 02: from Director Cornell, and we don't

00:20:47 Speaker 02: have any other special staff announcements

00:20:49 Speaker 02: this morning because I think we've

00:20:53 Speaker 02: had so many good news stories

00:20:54 Speaker 21: in the last few council meetings.

00:21:00 Speaker 22: We're we're going to take a

00:21:04 Speaker 23: pause and open it out to

00:21:07 Speaker 24: our council members to share news

00:21:10 Speaker 25: and celebrations from our municipalities. Who

00:21:13 Speaker 26: would like to go first? We'll

00:21:16 Speaker 26: start with Councillor Councillor. Start with

00:21:18 Speaker 27: council, council body. Well, this one,

00:21:21 Speaker 28: Ron. Okay, I don't know what

00:21:23 Speaker 28: that other button is. Exciting to

00:21:24 Speaker 28: share some some pretty good good

00:21:26 Speaker 29: news. On Sound Northstar's girls field

00:21:28 Speaker 29: lacrosse team, under fifteen U fifteen

00:21:29 Speaker 30: team, won the gold medal in

00:21:34 Speaker 30: the B division of the provincial

00:21:36 Speaker 30: championship. And 100 years ago, I

00:21:38 Speaker 30: bunched coached a bunch. Go a

00:21:39 Speaker 30: bunch coached a bunch of kids

00:21:43 Speaker 30: and we got to I think

00:21:49 Speaker 30: the top four and it's really

00:21:52 Speaker 30: difficult to win the provincials so

00:21:55 Speaker 30: that's pretty impressive. Also, the U19

00:21:56 Speaker 30: girls field lacrosse team won the

00:22:00 Speaker 31: bronze in the B division. So

00:22:04 Speaker 31: congratulations to both those teams. That's

00:22:07 Speaker 31: it's really impressive. Coming up is

00:22:08 Speaker 31: the On Sound Emancipation Picnic or

00:22:10 Speaker 31: Festival, 163rd year. So it's the

00:22:11 Speaker 30: longest. and continuously running emancipation event

00:22:14 Speaker 32: in North America. Probably one of

00:22:18 Speaker 33: the longest running events. That's Saturday

00:22:21 Speaker 34: of the long weekend. It's going

00:22:24 Speaker 34: to be August second at Harrison

00:22:25 Speaker 34: Park. It's a really neat event.

00:22:26 Speaker 34: It's great music, and all the

00:22:29 Speaker 34: families come back from all over.

00:22:31 Speaker 34: And it's it's pretty interesting to

00:22:34 Speaker 34: be there. Thanks. Thank you, and

00:22:36 Speaker 34: we'll go to Councillor Kibany. Thank

00:22:38 Speaker 34: you, Warden Matrousovs, and good morning,

00:22:40 Speaker 34: everyone. Just want to share a

00:22:43 Speaker 34: couple of events that are happening

00:22:45 Speaker 34: in Meaford this Saturday, the 26th,

00:22:47 Speaker 34: is the Pet Expo, and this

00:22:49 Speaker 34: is a huge pet-friendly event with

00:22:51 Speaker 34: over 100 vendors at our community

00:22:53 Speaker 34: centre, and there will be lots

00:22:54 Speaker 34: of food and games and a

00:22:57 Speaker 34: full family event there. And the

00:22:58 Speaker 34: following weekend, from August the 1st

00:23:00 Speaker 34: to the 3rd, is our fourth

00:23:02 Speaker 34: annual Summerfest, and that is the

00:23:03 Speaker 34: Poutine. Fest, where a number of

00:23:05 Speaker 34: our restaurants are participating. Everybody makes

00:23:06 Speaker 34: a different type of poutine, so

00:23:08 Speaker 34: you'll want to try those out.

00:23:10 Speaker 34: Friday is Movie Under the Stars.

00:23:11 Speaker 35: It's going to be The Goonies,

00:23:16 Speaker 35: so family friendly and lots of

00:23:18 Speaker 36: fun. And there will be vendors

00:23:22 Speaker 36: in the Market Square. Over seventy

00:23:24 Speaker 36: vendors will be in the Market

00:23:32 Speaker 36: Square with live music all day

00:23:33 Speaker 36: Saturday and Sunday. So, as I

00:23:35 Speaker 36: always say, Meerschaum is a place

00:23:35 Speaker 36: to be. Thank you. Thank you.

00:23:37 Speaker 36: And around the council table, looking

00:23:40 Speaker 37: for. any others. Okay, not seeing

00:23:44 Speaker 37: any further hands up, so we'll

11 Adjournment

Council carried a motion to adjourn, with no discussion recorded.

00:23:45 Speaker 37: move on to adjournment. And that

00:23:46 Speaker 38: important. Okay, so with that, then

00:23:56 Speaker 38: we'll just do a motion to

00:23:57 Speaker 38: adjourn. May I ask for a

00:23:59 Speaker 38: mover? Moved by Councillor McQueen, seconded

00:24:01 Speaker 38: by Councillor McKay. Any discussion? All

00:24:03 Speaker 38: those in favour? And that motion

00:24:04 Speaker 39: is carried. Okay, we'll just give

00:24:07 Speaker 39: a few moments to switch over.

00:24:09 Speaker 39: to the Committee of the Whole.

00:24:12 Speaker 39: Thank you. So I'll now proceed

00:24:13 Speaker 39: with the Committee of the Whole

00:24:15 Speaker 39: of July twenty fourth, twenty twenty

00:24:17 Speaker 39: five. I'll call to order this

00:24:19 Speaker 39: business and ask if there are

00:24:21 Speaker 39: any declarations of interest. See no

00:24:23 Speaker 03: hands go up. We can proceed.

00:24:36 Speaker 03: We do not have any business

00:24:38 Speaker 03: arising for minutes, and with that,

00:24:39 Speaker 40: we have one delegation. So this.

00:24:42 Speaker 41: morning, I'm going to first invite

00:24:45 Speaker 41: Ms. Buckton, as our senior policy

00:24:47 Speaker 41: planner, to come up and make

00:24:49 Speaker 42: introductions before we get into the

00:24:51 Speaker 42: archaeological management plan deputation. Wonderful, thank

00:24:53 Speaker 42: you very much. I'm really excited

00:24:56 Speaker 42: to be here today and to

00:24:58 Speaker 43: have some staff from Team HC

00:25:01 Speaker 44: Consulting joining us for presentation. so

00:25:03 Speaker 44: I'll just do a very brief

00:25:05 Speaker 44: introduction before we turn that

00:25:07 Speaker 42: over. This morning we will have

00:25:09 Speaker 42: two representatives from TMC Inc. joining

00:25:11 Speaker 42: us to present regarding the archaeological

00:25:12 Speaker 45: potential model that they've prepared for

00:25:15 Speaker 45: us in relation to the archaeological

00:25:17 Speaker 42: management plan. Joining us today is

00:25:21 Speaker 42: Dr. Holly Martell. Holly is a

00:25:24 Speaker 42: principal with TMC, a skilled archaeologist,

00:25:26 Speaker 42: project manager, and relationship builder, and

00:25:28 Speaker 42: we've been so very fortunate to

00:25:31 Speaker 42: have her as project. lead for

00:25:34 Speaker 42: the model preparation component of the

00:25:36 Speaker 42: app project. Holly is joined today

00:25:39 Speaker 42: by Dr. John Moody, Team HC's

00:25:41 Speaker 42: digital applications manager and the GIS

00:25:44 Speaker 42: lead for the project. John has

00:25:46 Speaker 42: over fifteen years of experience working

00:25:48 Speaker 42: on various facets of archaeology projects

00:25:49 Speaker 42: and is an innovator in his

00:25:50 Speaker 42: field relating to data collection, management,

00:25:53 Speaker 42: and presentation through technology. And certainly,

00:25:55 Speaker 42: we benefited from John's expertise. as

00:25:57 Speaker 42: well in preparation of the JS-based

00:25:59 Speaker 42: model as they'll present to you

00:26:00 Speaker 42: today. So I think the intention

00:26:01 Speaker 42: is this one being related to

00:26:03 Speaker 46: the project will be a little

00:26:06 Speaker 46: bit longer than our usual delegation.

00:26:06 Speaker 46: So they've got lots of information

00:26:08 Speaker 47: to share with us today. We'll

00:26:11 Speaker 47: have an opportunity for some questions,

00:26:14 Speaker 02: and then we'll also be presenting

00:26:16 Speaker 02: the staff report just a little

00:26:18 Speaker 02: bit later. So there'll be some

00:26:20 Speaker 02: further discussion opportunity then. But I

00:26:22 Speaker 02: won't take up any more time.

00:26:23 Speaker 02: I'll just pass that along to

00:26:24 Speaker 02: NHC. To Team HC, thank you

00:26:26 Speaker 02: so much. Okay, thank you. So,

00:26:28 Speaker 02: welcome, Ms. Martell and Mr. Moody,

00:26:37 Speaker 02: for for your presentation this morning.

00:26:39 Speaker 02: And Council will listen, and then

00:26:41 Speaker 02: we'll ask questions of clarification to

00:26:44 Speaker 02: you while you're here. And then,

00:26:46 Speaker 02: of course, we'll have a

00:26:48 Speaker 48: further discussion when the actual report

00:26:53 Speaker 48: comes forward later in the agenda.

00:26:54 Speaker 48: So, with that, welcome, and the

00:26:55 Speaker 48: floor is yours. Thank you. so

00:26:57 Speaker 48: much, Warden and Council, and Liz

00:26:58 Speaker 49: for inviting us to come and

00:27:00 Speaker 49: present to you today on the

00:27:02 Speaker 49: progress and findings of the preparation

00:27:04 Speaker 50: of the archaeological management plan for

00:27:07 Speaker 50: Gray County. Just to give you

00:27:10 Speaker 50: a little bit of an overview

00:27:11 Speaker 50: of what we're going to talk

00:27:13 Speaker 50: about today, we wanted to give

00:27:16 Speaker 50: sort of a high level summary

00:27:17 Speaker 50: of archaeology in Gray County. Talk

00:27:19 Speaker 50: a little bit about the goals

00:27:21 Speaker 51: of the archaeological management plan. discuss

00:27:27 Speaker 51: how we've developed the archaeological potential

00:27:31 Speaker 51: model or that planning layer that's

00:27:33 Speaker 51: used in a planning context. What

00:27:35 Speaker 51: the methodology was for data collection,

00:27:36 Speaker 50: how we've compiled that layer, how

00:27:39 Speaker 50: it will be used in the

00:27:41 Speaker 50: planning context going forward, and current

00:27:43 Speaker 50: status of the project, and

00:27:46 Speaker 50: discuss some next steps. Yeah, archaeology

00:27:48 Speaker 50: in Gray County is something that

00:27:50 Speaker 50: is a lot of community

00:27:53 Speaker 50: members are very passionate about. There

00:27:56 Speaker 50: is a high level of archaeological

00:27:58 Speaker 50: significance throughout various areas in Grey

00:28:01 Speaker 50: County, and the county actually contains

00:28:03 Speaker 50: some of the oldest and most

00:28:07 Speaker 50: significant known archaeological sites in Ontario,

00:28:10 Speaker 50: dating back over ten thousand years

00:28:11 Speaker 50: old. To date, one hundred ninety-nine

00:28:13 Speaker 50: registered archaeological exists in the archaeological

00:28:17 Speaker 50: sites exist in the county, and

00:28:20 Speaker 50: those include both Indigenous and historic

00:28:23 Speaker 50: settler sites. Ninety-one of those

00:28:26 Speaker 50: are Indigenous. villages, camps, and burial

00:28:28 Speaker 50: sites, which all together offer evidence

00:28:31 Speaker 50: of continuous indigenous presence in the

00:28:37 Speaker 50: county from at least the end

00:28:40 Speaker 50: of the last ice age

00:28:43 Speaker 50: to the present day. Early efforts

00:28:46 Speaker 50: at archaeological conservation in Gregg County

00:28:50 Speaker 50: really came at the hands of

00:28:51 Speaker 50: really passionate individuals, researchers like Peter

00:28:54 Speaker 50: Stork, for example, and Dr. William

00:28:57 Speaker 50: Fitzgerald, who are very interested. in

00:28:59 Speaker 50: understanding past Indigenous life in the

00:29:01 Speaker 50: county, and we're undertaking research

00:29:04 Speaker 50: alongside avocationalists and concerned citizens

00:29:06 Speaker 50: who were watching out for very

00:29:09 Speaker 50: precious archaeological resources and trying to

00:29:10 Speaker 50: take efforts to make sure they

00:29:13 Speaker 50: were documented and protected in threat

00:29:16 Speaker 50: of ensuing development. A lot of

00:29:18 Speaker 50: early efforts were concentrated in the

00:29:20 Speaker 50: nineteen. were concentrated in the 1980s

00:29:22 Speaker 50: under the umbrella of a provincial

00:29:24 Speaker 50: ministry responsible for archaeology. There was

00:29:28 Speaker 50: an archaeological conservation programme, and folks

00:29:31 Speaker 50: like Charlie and Ella Garrard, you

00:29:33 Speaker 50: might be familiar with, with their

00:29:36 Speaker 50: names, and Mike and Christine Kirby,

00:29:38 Speaker 50: worked tirelessly on on weekends and

00:29:41 Speaker 50: and evenings to go out and

00:29:43 Speaker 50: document sites and make sure they're

00:29:45 Speaker 50: identified and protected. And at that

00:29:47 Speaker 50: time, there was no municipal or

00:29:49 Speaker 50: planning framework to to really address.

00:29:52 Speaker 50: the conservation of archaeological resources, and

00:29:53 Speaker 50: no legislation to support that, or

00:29:55 Speaker 50: a requirement for archaeological assessments to

00:29:57 Speaker 50: be undertaken at that time, so

00:30:00 Speaker 50: their efforts were really important. Today,

00:30:02 Speaker 50: what we know about archaeology in

00:30:04 Speaker 50: Gray County really stems back to

00:30:09 Speaker 50: their work. A lot of those

00:30:11 Speaker 50: register sites we know about are

00:30:13 Speaker 50: comprised of the bulk of registered

00:30:14 Speaker 50: sites still unknown about in Gray

00:30:17 Speaker 50: County. But when we look at

00:30:19 Speaker 50: the number of sites in the

00:30:21 Speaker 50: county in relation to the land

00:30:24 Speaker 50: mass. Gray counties, you know, got

00:30:25 Speaker 50: this Van Lats land mass of

00:30:27 Speaker 50: 4,500 square kilometres. The 199 sites

00:30:30 Speaker 50: is really, really a very small

00:30:32 Speaker 50: number, and is not representative in

00:30:34 Speaker 50: any way of the number of

00:30:37 Speaker 50: sites that are actually out there.

00:30:41 Speaker 50: When we look in comparison

00:30:43 Speaker 50: to, say, a smaller municipality like

00:30:48 Speaker 50: the city of London, for example,

00:30:49 Speaker 50: which is a tenth of the

00:30:51 Speaker 50: size. of Gray County. There are

00:30:54 Speaker 50: over 500 registered sites known there

00:30:55 Speaker 50: now, and a lot of that

00:30:57 Speaker 50: dates back to the early development

00:30:59 Speaker 50: of an archaeological management plan in

00:31:01 Speaker 50: the mid 90s and sort of

00:31:04 Speaker 50: rigorous implementation of archaeological conservation within

00:31:06 Speaker 50: the planning context. When we look

00:31:08 Speaker 50: also at the registered sites, here's

00:31:11 Speaker 50: a map on the right that

00:31:12 Speaker 50: shows where they're distributed across. the

00:31:15 Speaker 50: county, you can see that there's

00:31:18 Speaker 50: quite a bit of difference. Many

00:31:20 Speaker 50: of the sites we know about

00:31:23 Speaker 50: are concentrated in the areas where

00:31:26 Speaker 50: those researchers have looked in

00:31:29 Speaker 50: the historic territories of the Payton,

00:31:32 Speaker 50: for example, in the Beaver Valley,

00:31:34 Speaker 50: or they're concentrated in municipalities and

00:31:36 Speaker 50: those areas that have witnessed a

00:31:39 Speaker 50: lot of land development. For example,

00:31:43 Speaker 50: along Highway 26 and those lakeside

00:31:45 Speaker 50: areas where the county has witnessed

00:31:47 Speaker 50: a lot of residential. and commercial

00:31:50 Speaker 50: development, a lot of roadworks to

00:31:53 Speaker 52: improve transportation and infrastructure networks. We

00:31:55 Speaker 52: also have sites documented in areas

00:31:57 Speaker 50: that have been subject to survey

00:32:00 Speaker 50: for some of those aggregate pits

00:32:02 Speaker 50: that, you know, delving into the

00:32:05 Speaker 50: the rich aggregate resources in the

00:32:07 Speaker 50: county. But for the most part,

00:32:09 Speaker 50: the the sites are are being

00:32:12 Speaker 50: found where we've been looking, but

00:32:14 Speaker 50: we're not necessarily. identifying potential in

00:32:16 Speaker 50: all areas of the county. If

00:32:17 Speaker 50: you can see on the map

00:32:20 Speaker 50: too that many of the lower

00:32:23 Speaker 50: tier municipalities, some of the historic

00:32:24 Speaker 50: township, have no or very few

00:32:27 Speaker 50: archaeological sites recorded so far, and

00:32:33 Speaker 50: that is often a reflection of

00:32:34 Speaker 50: a lack of survey and assessment

00:32:39 Speaker 50: that's been done. Some related to

00:32:42 Speaker 50: the fact that those areas

00:32:46 Speaker 50: just don't see much in the

00:32:50 Speaker 50: way of land development, but

00:32:51 Speaker 50: in other cases. it's a product

00:32:53 Speaker 50: of the planning context and some

00:32:56 Speaker 50: uncertainty around how and when

00:32:59 Speaker 50: an archaeological assessment should be undertaken.

00:33:03 Speaker 50: Today, there is legislation, and since

00:33:05 Speaker 50: the 1990s, there is a

00:33:08 Speaker 50: legislation and policy and regulatory framework

00:33:11 Speaker 50: that makes municipalities in Ontario

00:33:16 Speaker 50: responsible for archaeological conservation. The provincial

00:33:19 Speaker 50: planning statement, in particular. requires that

00:33:21 Speaker 50: planning authorities shall not permit development

00:33:24 Speaker 50: and site alteration on lands

00:33:26 Speaker 50: containing archaeological resources or areas of

00:33:28 Speaker 50: archaeological potential unless the significant archaeological

00:33:31 Speaker 50: resources have been conserved. The Planning

00:33:33 Speaker 50: Act calls for recognition of archaeological

00:33:36 Speaker 50: resources, and the Ontario Heritage Act

00:33:38 Speaker 50: offers protection for registered archaeological sites

00:33:41 Speaker 50: in the province. Municipalities across Ontario,

00:33:43 Speaker 50: Grey County being one of them,

00:33:45 Speaker 50: have often been challenged to manage

00:33:48 Speaker 50: archaeology and these archaeological interests and

00:33:51 Speaker 50: meet those provincial requirements. And there's

00:33:54 Speaker 50: a number of reasons for that.

00:33:55 Speaker 50: Identifying those areas of concern or

00:33:57 Speaker 50: interest where archaeological sites might be,

00:34:00 Speaker 50: where there is archaeological potential, is

00:34:02 Speaker 50: not an easy thing to do.

00:34:05 Speaker 50: The information to make those evaluations

00:34:09 Speaker 50: is very hard to access. It's

00:34:12 Speaker 50: not consistently updated or not consolidated

00:34:16 Speaker 50: in one place. There's often uncertainty

00:34:18 Speaker 50: about when and where to require

00:34:21 Speaker 50: archaeological assessment, and it can

00:34:24 Speaker 50: be approached differently by different planners

00:34:27 Speaker 50: at various tiers, lower and upper,

00:34:29 Speaker 50: and it can vary based on

00:34:31 Speaker 50: the type of application being put

00:34:36 Speaker 50: forth in a planning context or

00:34:39 Speaker 50: the legislative requirements. But noting that

00:34:41 Speaker 50: the consequences for not identifying archaeological

00:34:44 Speaker 50: interests, as we all know, with

00:34:46 Speaker 50: recent press findings across Ontario can

00:34:48 Speaker 50: be very difficult to navigate. Particularly

00:34:51 Speaker 50: as Indigenous communities are expecting more

00:34:53 Speaker 50: and asserting their treaty and

00:34:56 Speaker 53: territorial rights and interests with respect

00:34:58 Speaker 53: to their archaeological heritage. So the

00:35:01 Speaker 53: goals of the archaeological management plan,

00:35:02 Speaker 53: or AMP, for short, is

00:35:05 Speaker 50: to help. a municipality, or in

00:35:08 Speaker 50: this case, help Grey County, meet

00:35:12 Speaker 50: their responsibilities under the Planning Act

00:35:14 Speaker 50: and provincial policy statement. And it

00:35:17 Speaker 50: can an AMP can help develop

00:35:19 Speaker 50: a good understanding of where archaeological

00:35:21 Speaker 50: resources are, or are currently known

00:35:24 Speaker 50: within the county, or might be

00:35:26 Speaker 50: located. Can create a clear process

00:35:31 Speaker 50: for addressing archaeological interests in the

00:35:33 Speaker 50: planning context. Can help establish a

00:35:36 Speaker 50: consistent and transparent. Distant and transparent

00:35:38 Speaker 50: process for requiring archaeological assessments as

00:35:41 Speaker 50: part of the Planning Act and

00:35:44 Speaker 50: other municipal projects and approvals, and

00:35:47 Speaker 50: define a better process for

00:35:49 Speaker 50: engaging Indigenous communities when and

00:35:53 Speaker 50: where their heritage is affected by

00:35:59 Speaker 50: land use changes approved by the

00:36:01 Speaker 50: county. It's also acknowledged that an

00:36:04 Speaker 50: AMP can help address Indigenous interests

00:36:07 Speaker 50: in archaeology, and and again going

00:36:09 Speaker 50: back to the provincial planning

00:36:13 Speaker 50: statement. it suggests or or requires

00:36:16 Speaker 50: planning authorities shall engage early with

00:36:19 Speaker 50: indigenous communities and ensure their interests

00:36:22 Speaker 50: are considered when identifying, protecting and

00:36:28 Speaker 50: managing archaeological resources, built heritage resources

00:36:31 Speaker 50: and cultural heritage landscapes. So what

00:36:32 Speaker 50: is an archaeological management plan? It's

00:36:34 Speaker 50: essentially a planning tool for municipalities

00:36:38 Speaker 50: to use to manage, in other.

00:36:41 Speaker 50: words, to identify, to conserve, and

00:36:45 Speaker 50: protect archaeological resources within their jurisdiction.

00:36:48 Speaker 50: It really helps establish a

00:36:50 Speaker 50: clear planning framework to plan for

00:36:53 Speaker 50: the the better conservation of archaeological

00:36:57 Speaker 50: resources. An AMP is essentially a

00:36:59 Speaker 50: very collabourative process. We don't do

00:37:01 Speaker 50: this on our own. We take

00:37:04 Speaker 50: into account the information, the expertise,

00:37:08 Speaker 50: the. experience, that a variety of

00:37:11 Speaker 50: planners, both at the county level

00:37:13 Speaker 50: and private private planners, developers, individuals

00:37:15 Speaker 50: who interact with archaeology and archaeological

00:37:18 Speaker 50: assessment requirements on a daily basis,

00:37:20 Speaker 50: the city is or the

00:37:24 Speaker 50: county has developed a technical advisory

00:37:27 Speaker 50: committee, which has helped us along

00:37:29 Speaker 50: the way within this process.

00:37:31 Speaker 50: We've engaged with indigenous and descendant

00:37:34 Speaker 50: communities. including Saugeen Ojibway Nation, who

00:37:37 Speaker 50: have had a leading role, historic

00:37:40 Speaker 50: Saugeen Métis Six Nations, many of

00:37:44 Speaker 50: those communities that were identified in

00:37:47 Speaker 50: your land acknowledgement today. We've been

00:37:50 Speaker 50: working with the local Black heritage

00:37:53 Speaker 50: communities as well, stakeholders, museums throughout

00:37:55 Speaker 50: the county or beyond the county

00:37:57 Speaker 50: that may have information about archaeological

00:37:59 Speaker 50: resources and collections from Grey County.

00:38:02 Speaker 50: Gray County, local historical and archaeological

00:38:03 Speaker 50: organisations, community groups, and of course

00:38:06 Speaker 50: local archaeologists with expertise in this

00:38:09 Speaker 50: area. There are two components

00:38:12 Speaker 50: essentially of the archaeological management plan.

00:38:15 Speaker 50: One is the archaeological potential model,

00:38:18 Speaker 50: which is essentially a GIS-based map

00:38:20 Speaker 50: or planning layer or planning layers

00:38:23 Speaker 50: and data that informs those layers.

00:38:28 Speaker 50: In the compilation of that, has

00:38:29 Speaker 50: been the responsibility of T. Responsibility

00:38:32 Speaker 50: of TMHC, and that's what we're

00:38:34 Speaker 50: going to talk most about today.

00:38:38 Speaker 50: Alongside that, the Gray County Planning

00:38:41 Speaker 50: Department is preparing policy, planning, and

00:38:42 Speaker 50: implementation framework, which will develop the

00:38:44 Speaker 50: procedures and approach for utilising that

00:38:46 Speaker 50: GIS map or planning layer, that

00:38:47 Speaker 50: archaeological potential model, addressing how that

00:38:50 Speaker 50: will be used within making planning

00:38:52 Speaker 50: decisions. So today, as I said,

00:38:55 Speaker 50: we're going to speak to the

00:38:57 Speaker 50: archaeological potential model and our methodology

00:39:00 Speaker 50: for establishing that model and planning

00:39:02 Speaker 50: tool. Building the model, we have

00:39:04 Speaker 50: used a series of steps. They're

00:39:06 Speaker 50: kind of a logical set of

00:39:10 Speaker 50: steps that we've taken to create

00:39:12 Speaker 50: a number of layers that we

00:39:15 Speaker 50: can then compile into an overall

00:39:18 Speaker 50: planning tool or a composite layer

00:39:20 Speaker 50: to be used by planning staff.

00:39:22 Speaker 50: The first step is to map

00:39:24 Speaker 50: the archaeological sets. sites in the

00:39:27 Speaker 50: county, so we wanted to

00:39:29 Speaker 50: gather all that data on the

00:39:31 Speaker 50: registered archaeological sites that are known

00:39:33 Speaker 50: within the county. Registered sites

00:39:37 Speaker 50: are kept in an inventory that

00:39:40 Speaker 50: is maintained by the Ministry of

00:39:43 Speaker 50: Citizenship and Multiculturalism within a provincial

00:39:45 Speaker 50: registry or database. So we've collected

00:39:48 Speaker 50: that information, but we also wanted

00:39:50 Speaker 50: to supplement that, knowing that there

00:39:52 Speaker 50: has been sort of, you know,

00:39:56 Speaker 50: relatively. little archaeological assessment done, particularly

00:39:57 Speaker 50: in certain parts of Gray County.

00:40:00 Speaker 50: So we wanted to supplement those

00:40:02 Speaker 50: registered sites' information with information that

00:40:05 Speaker 50: suggests that archaeological sites have been

00:40:08 Speaker 50: found, potentially not registered, or may

00:40:10 Speaker 50: exist in other areas but have

00:40:12 Speaker 54: not been confirmed by an archaeologist.

00:40:16 Speaker 54: So the map of archaeological sites,

00:40:18 Speaker 54: then our whole data set of

00:40:20 Speaker 50: of known archaeological findings, comes from.

00:40:23 Speaker 50: sites that have been confirmed and

00:40:24 Speaker 50: identified by archaeologists, but others that

00:40:27 Speaker 50: have just been reported with in

00:40:30 Speaker 50: historical documents, whether those be maps,

00:40:32 Speaker 50: newspapers, accounts, some oral histories, or

00:40:34 Speaker 50: other information, museum collections that suggest

00:40:37 Speaker 50: that sites could be present on

00:40:41 Speaker 50: lands within the county. To give

00:40:43 Speaker 50: you a summary, the map on

00:40:46 Speaker 50: the right shows the locations of

00:40:48 Speaker 50: the archaeological sites that we've included

00:40:51 Speaker 50: in our model that. we are

00:40:52 Speaker 50: aware of, as I said, 199

00:40:55 Speaker 50: of those are registered. We've we've

00:40:58 Speaker 50: got sites that came directly from

00:41:01 Speaker 50: the database and the ministry source

00:41:03 Speaker 50: directly. We've done through further investigation

00:41:05 Speaker 50: found an additional 40 registered sites

00:41:06 Speaker 50: there, bringing the total to 199.

00:41:08 Speaker 50: As I said earlier, about half,

00:41:14 Speaker 50: almost half of those have an

00:41:16 Speaker 50: indigenous component to them, and the

00:41:19 Speaker 50: other half relating to sort of

00:41:20 Speaker 50: historic settler sites, the sites that

00:41:24 Speaker 50: we've supplemented, those sites that are

00:41:27 Speaker 50: unregistered in the present provincial database,

00:41:29 Speaker 50: and those may be fine spots

00:41:31 Speaker 50: of single artifacts that archaeologists have

00:41:33 Speaker 50: found over the years, but might

00:41:37 Speaker 50: have not have met the threshold

00:41:40 Speaker 50: for provincial registration. Fine spots, including

00:41:42 Speaker 50: historical references or site leads, areas

00:41:45 Speaker 50: where sites may be known to

00:41:46 Speaker 50: have existed but have not yet

00:41:48 Speaker 50: been confirmed. by an archaeologist. We

00:41:52 Speaker 50: also, as part of this compilation

00:41:55 Speaker 50: of this map, verified the site

00:41:57 Speaker 50: locations through comparison with reports and

00:42:00 Speaker 50: make sure that the data was

00:42:04 Speaker 50: highly accurate. The second step

00:42:07 Speaker 50: of building the archaeological model

00:42:10 Speaker 50: was then to map areas of

00:42:13 Speaker 50: archaeological potential. So, where are those

00:42:15 Speaker 50: areas where sites that maybe have

00:42:18 Speaker 50: not yet been found,

00:42:21 Speaker 50: but there is potential for sites

00:42:24 Speaker 50: to exist? that process is

00:42:27 Speaker 50: very much guided by standards and

00:42:31 Speaker 50: guidelines that are established by the

00:42:34 Speaker 50: Ministry of Citizenship and Multiculturalism, who

00:42:36 Speaker 50: provide some baseline criteria for predicting

00:42:38 Speaker 50: where archaeological sites might exist and

00:42:40 Speaker 50: evaluating, evaluating or identifying archaeological potential.

00:42:42 Speaker 50: Some of the example criteria that

00:42:44 Speaker 50: are used to signal archaeological potential

00:42:47 Speaker 50: include the presence of watercourses, wetlands,

00:42:50 Speaker 50: glacial shorelines, historic settlement features like

00:42:53 Speaker 50: churches or mapped buildings, transportation routes

00:42:54 Speaker 50: like early roadways or trails, portages,

00:42:56 Speaker 50: and resource areas. And we know

00:43:00 Speaker 50: for we know that Grey County

00:43:02 Speaker 50: has one of the primary sources

00:43:03 Speaker 50: for Indigenous toolstone in all of

00:43:06 Speaker 50: the province, used throughout the Great

00:43:08 Speaker 50: Lakes, and it's a very important

00:43:10 Speaker 50: part of that Indigenous. history in

00:43:16 Speaker 50: Gray County. So to prepare a

00:43:18 Speaker 50: map of archaeological potential, basically we

00:43:21 Speaker 50: and John have spent a lot

00:43:23 Speaker 50: of time doing this, identifying the

00:43:25 Speaker 50: various physical features, historic features from

00:43:27 Speaker 50: historic maps and so on, put

00:43:30 Speaker 50: those in a into a GIS

00:43:33 Speaker 50: map and a database, and from

00:43:35 Speaker 50: those features we establish a distance

00:43:39 Speaker 50: buffer around those features

00:43:43 Speaker 50: and create an area of archaeological

00:43:46 Speaker 50: potential. Within the model, we've created

00:43:49 Speaker 50: two key layers of archaeological potential.

00:43:52 Speaker 50: One of those is an indigenous

00:43:56 Speaker 50: archaeological potential layer. The other is

00:43:59 Speaker 50: a historic or a municipal settlement

00:44:02 Speaker 50: period or settlement area map of

00:44:06 Speaker 50: potential. We map these separately because

00:44:09 Speaker 50: they are very much tied to

00:44:11 Speaker 50: traditional land uses, different systems of

00:44:13 Speaker 50: land management, resource resource utilization, where

00:44:16 Speaker 50: indigenous. archaeological potential is very much

00:44:18 Speaker 50: tied to traditional knowledge and land

00:44:20 Speaker 50: use, oriented around seasonal cycles, hunting,

00:44:24 Speaker 50: fishing, the gathering of traditional resources

00:44:26 Speaker 50: like medicines and edible plants, very

00:44:28 Speaker 50: much heavily heavily centreed on water.

00:44:31 Speaker 50: Water is life, of course, to

00:44:37 Speaker 50: indigenous communities. The historic or municipal

00:44:41 Speaker 50: settlement era potential is really much

00:44:44 Speaker 50: geared to or or based on

00:44:47 Speaker 50: a colonial land-based management system, so

00:44:48 Speaker 50: we look at settlement lots and

00:44:51 Speaker 50: early buildings and industries. It's heavily

00:44:53 Speaker 50: centreed on transportation routes because those

00:44:55 Speaker 50: are are what encouraged settlement to

00:44:58 Speaker 50: occur in the first place. And

00:45:00 Speaker 50: of course, we look at the

00:45:03 Speaker 50: registered sites relating to both indigenous

00:45:05 Speaker 50: and historic settlement when we develop

00:45:07 Speaker 50: those mapping layers. The third step

00:45:10 Speaker 50: of building the archaeological potential map

00:45:12 Speaker 50: is to also map all of

00:45:15 Speaker 50: those areas that's been previously studied.

00:45:17 Speaker 50: One of the challenges to know

00:45:20 Speaker 50: where and when an archaeological assessment

00:45:21 Speaker 50: has been taken place has taken

00:45:24 Speaker 50: place in the past, and also

00:45:27 Speaker 50: what its status is. So, archaeological

00:45:29 Speaker 50: assessments are done in various stages,

00:45:32 Speaker 50: and sometimes there's only a background

00:45:36 Speaker 50: study that's done. Sometimes there's an

00:45:39 Speaker 50: intensive survey. Sometimes lands are cleared

00:45:41 Speaker 50: of archaeological concern, and sometimes there's

00:45:43 Speaker 50: still some lingering interest. Maybe some

00:45:47 Speaker 50: sites have been registered and not

00:45:48 Speaker 50: yet fully mitigated. So, for a

00:45:51 Speaker 50: planner to evaluate and know the

00:45:52 Speaker 50: status of archaeological interests on a

00:45:56 Speaker 50: particular property is critical, and that

00:46:00 Speaker 50: information is hard to collect in

00:46:04 Speaker 50: the current system without sort of

00:46:07 Speaker 50: comprehensive mapping of these areas of

00:46:08 Speaker 50: previous assessment. and backup data that

00:46:10 Speaker 50: indicate what the particular status of

00:46:13 Speaker 50: archaeological interests on a specific land

00:46:14 Speaker 50: parcel are. So, in terms of

00:46:17 Speaker 50: that, we've created a map of

00:46:20 Speaker 50: all the archaeological assessments and studies

00:46:21 Speaker 50: that we were able to identify.

00:46:24 Speaker 50: We did identify 567 in Gray

00:46:26 Speaker 50: County. We were able to obtain

00:46:29 Speaker 50: 551 of those reports. We could

00:46:33 Speaker 50: not. obtain sixteen. Most of those

00:46:35 Speaker 50: are very old, and nobody seems

00:46:38 Speaker 50: to be able to find

00:46:41 Speaker 50: them anymore. The reports, many of

00:46:44 Speaker 50: them, are stored in a provincial

00:46:46 Speaker 50: database managed by that ministry. Again,

00:46:49 Speaker 50: but they can often get lost.

00:46:52 Speaker 50: Some of the old records are

00:46:54 Speaker 50: particularly hard to find. Tracking the

00:46:57 Speaker 50: status can also be challenging with

00:47:00 Speaker 50: changes in the ministry administration as

00:47:02 Speaker 50: well. We note that close to

00:47:04 Speaker 50: half of those. Almost a half

00:47:06 Speaker 50: of those reports were completed prior

00:47:09 Speaker 50: to the contemporary standards and guidelines

00:47:12 Speaker 50: for consultant archaeologists, which were passed

00:47:13 Speaker 50: in 2011. And those are both

00:47:19 Speaker 50: the best practice and regulatory standards

00:47:22 Speaker 50: that that are required to be

00:47:25 Speaker 50: met for archaeological interests to be

00:47:26 Speaker 50: considered in the province. So

00:47:28 Speaker 50: we have tagged all of those

00:47:30 Speaker 50: reports, noting that some of those

00:47:32 Speaker 50: older reports done prior to the

00:47:34 Speaker 50: contemporary Courts done prior to the

00:47:39 Speaker 50: contemporary standards may need a second

00:47:41 Speaker 50: look. May need some engagement with

00:47:42 Speaker 50: indigenous communities. May need some further

00:47:46 Speaker 50: clarification before it can be determined

00:47:50 Speaker 50: that lands are clear of archaeological

00:47:55 Speaker 50: concern. Finally, the last step, kind

00:47:57 Speaker 50: of in in, are building the

00:47:58 Speaker 50: archaeological map, is to map and

00:48:00 Speaker 50: remove areas where there is no

00:48:03 Speaker 50: further archaeological interest, either because they've

00:48:06 Speaker 50: been cleared by previous studies or

00:48:07 Speaker 50: where. there's deep land impacts that

00:48:09 Speaker 50: have removed the possibility of archaeological

00:48:12 Speaker 50: resources to be present, and the

00:48:15 Speaker 50: map on the right again shows

00:48:18 Speaker 50: areas that we have mapped that

00:48:22 Speaker 50: no longer have integrity or no

00:48:24 Speaker 50: longer have archaeological interest because they

00:48:27 Speaker 50: have been falsely studied. So when

00:48:30 Speaker 50: we developed this layer, again

00:48:32 Speaker 50: we looked at those all of

00:48:35 Speaker 50: those previous studies. All of those

00:48:37 Speaker 50: previous assessments, and we've been able

00:48:41 Speaker 50: to tag where archaeological concerns have

00:48:43 Speaker 50: been fully addressed. That would mean

00:48:46 Speaker 50: that those areas could then be

00:48:48 Speaker 50: removed from the archaeological potential layer

00:48:50 Speaker 50: and that planning tool to not

00:48:53 Speaker 50: require an archaeological assessment again. We've

00:48:55 Speaker 50: also done an evaluation, a high-level

00:48:56 Speaker 50: evaluation of integrity that's been focused

00:48:59 Speaker 50: on some key areas in the

00:49:00 Speaker 50: county to evaluate or identify. areas

00:49:03 Speaker 50: where there is no longer potential

00:49:07 Speaker 50: for finding archaeological resources intact. So

00:49:09 Speaker 50: those areas that have been very

00:49:12 Speaker 50: deeply and very extensively disturbed. Providing

00:49:15 Speaker 50: a bit of an example here

00:49:17 Speaker 50: and more discussion about how we've

00:49:23 Speaker 50: evaluated integrity. It's not an easy

00:49:26 Speaker 50: process to do based on a

00:49:30 Speaker 50: desk a desktop review only,

00:49:33 Speaker 50: without going out to a site

00:49:35 Speaker 50: and spending a lot of time

00:49:38 Speaker 50: researching the prior land. use on

00:49:39 Speaker 50: a property, but we are still

00:49:42 Speaker 50: able to do, I think, a

00:49:43 Speaker 50: good high-level evaluation in various areas

00:49:47 Speaker 50: through careful analysis of aerial imagery.

00:49:49 Speaker 50: We look at contemporary conditions. We

00:49:53 Speaker 50: look at historical aerial imagery that

00:49:56 Speaker 50: demonstrates and can demonstrate the degree

00:49:57 Speaker 50: of prior extensive disturbance. We targeted

00:49:59 Speaker 50: in this case some obvious areas.

00:50:01 Speaker 50: where, for example, aggregate extraction has

00:50:04 Speaker 50: happened, some major subdivision developments that

00:50:06 Speaker 50: have involved, you know, extents of

00:50:09 Speaker 50: land clearing and disturbance. We've looked

00:50:10 Speaker 50: at a lot of the urban

00:50:12 Speaker 50: lands outside of the historic settlement

00:50:15 Speaker 50: areas where there there might be

00:50:16 Speaker 50: some interest in historic archaeological resources.

00:50:18 Speaker 50: So we were able to remove

00:50:20 Speaker 50: a significant number of of land

00:50:26 Speaker 50: parcels from the archaeological potential model

00:50:28 Speaker 50: in that way. The map on

00:50:30 Speaker 50: the left there is just an

00:50:32 Speaker 50: example of areas that have been

00:50:34 Speaker 50: removed of archaeological potential. Those areas

00:50:37 Speaker 50: in orange there have been removed

00:50:38 Speaker 50: because they were previously assessed and

00:50:40 Speaker 50: all the archaeological concerns have been

00:50:42 Speaker 50: addressed in those parcels. The area

00:50:44 Speaker 50: that's in the green has been

00:50:46 Speaker 50: removed because we were able to

00:50:49 Speaker 50: determine through the aerial imagery that

00:50:52 Speaker 50: those areas have been very

00:50:55 Speaker 50: extensively disturbed and there's no further

00:50:58 Speaker 50: archaeological. concern there. So, with all

00:51:00 Speaker 50: those steps taken and those mapping

00:51:02 Speaker 50: layers developed, we are then able

00:51:05 Speaker 50: to kind of compile them

00:51:07 Speaker 50: together to create that composite

00:51:09 Speaker 50: archaeological potential model or map that

00:51:12 Speaker 50: can be used in a planning

00:51:13 Speaker 50: context. So, this slide is just

00:51:16 Speaker 50: giving a general summary of what

00:51:18 Speaker 50: those layers are and how we've

00:51:21 Speaker 50: combined them. So, we create a

00:51:23 Speaker 55: map of indigenous archaeological potential, as

00:51:26 Speaker 55: I said. combine that with

00:51:29 Speaker 55: a layer denoting the historic archaeological

00:51:31 Speaker 55: potential. Both of those layers add

00:51:32 Speaker 55: potential to the mapping layer, and

00:51:34 Speaker 50: then we remove from those the

00:51:36 Speaker 50: integrity—the places where there's no longer

00:51:38 Speaker 50: integrity, where archaeological assessments have

00:51:40 Speaker 50: been undertaken and removed archaeological concern—and

00:51:46 Speaker 50: then we've also then removed areas

00:51:47 Speaker 50: that are outside of the county

00:51:49 Speaker 50: jurisdiction. So that would be all

00:51:50 Speaker 50: of those federal lands and provincial

00:51:52 Speaker 50: lands. for which the county does

00:51:53 Speaker 50: not make any planning decisions for.

00:51:56 Speaker 50: The final outcome would be that

00:52:00 Speaker 50: composite archaeological potential layer, and that's

00:52:03 Speaker 50: the layer that would be used

00:52:06 Speaker 50: by planning staff when determining

00:52:08 Speaker 50: whether or not an archaeological assessment

00:52:11 Speaker 50: will be required as part of

00:52:14 Speaker 50: the approval of a planning application

00:52:18 Speaker 50: or doing during municipal infrastructure and

00:52:21 Speaker 50: development projects. So, I want to

00:52:23 Speaker 50: talk a little bit more. to

00:52:26 Speaker 50: about that planning tool, give you

00:52:29 Speaker 50: an idea of what it looks

00:52:31 Speaker 50: like a little bit more close

00:52:32 Speaker 50: up, and kind of give some

00:52:38 Speaker 50: kind of analysis and explanation about

00:52:41 Speaker 50: its effectiveness and what we've arrived

00:52:43 Speaker 50: at. So the composite map, as

00:52:47 Speaker 50: you see here in high level,

00:52:49 Speaker 50: indicates where archaeological assessment should happen

00:52:52 Speaker 50: to fulfil provincial those provincial requirements

00:52:56 Speaker 50: to manage, identify, conserve archaeological resources.

00:52:59 Speaker 50: Serve archaeological resources. We have tested

00:53:01 Speaker 50: the effectiveness of that model, and

00:53:02 Speaker 50: we've done that by comparison comparing

00:53:05 Speaker 50: the areas of archaeological potential mapped

00:53:08 Speaker 50: in this model to the registered

00:53:11 Speaker 50: and known archaeological sites that sample

00:53:14 Speaker 50: we talked about earlier in the

00:53:17 Speaker 50: presentation. When we do that, this

00:53:20 Speaker 50: particular model that we've developed it

00:53:25 Speaker 50: captures ninety two of the ninety

00:53:26 Speaker 50: six indigenous. archaeological sites and find

00:53:30 Speaker 50: spots that we've identified. So it

00:53:32 Speaker 50: captures ninety-six percent of those. That's

00:53:33 Speaker 50: an excellent capture for this type

00:53:35 Speaker 50: of modelling. For the historic era

00:53:37 Speaker 50: sites, it captures ninety percent of

00:53:40 Speaker 50: those sites, which again is a

00:53:41 Speaker 50: very high capture. And when combined,

00:53:43 Speaker 50: the model captures ninety-three percent of

00:53:46 Speaker 50: the total archaeological sites in our

00:53:47 Speaker 50: sample that is available to. us.

00:53:50 Speaker 50: In total, the composite archaeological map

00:53:52 Speaker 50: captures seventy-two percent of the county

00:53:54 Speaker 50: landmass, which, again, in comparison to

00:53:57 Speaker 50: other AMPs, is a is a

00:53:58 Speaker 50: pretty reasonable target. Wanting to also

00:54:01 Speaker 50: qualify, I mean, it can often

00:54:04 Speaker 50: seem like this is a very

00:54:05 Speaker 50: dense map, and there's a lot,

00:54:07 Speaker 50: high percentage of of area of

00:54:10 Speaker 50: archaeological potential in the county. But

00:54:12 Speaker 50: wanted to speak to how it

00:54:15 Speaker 50: actually. kind of gets triggered

00:54:18 Speaker 50: and used in a planning

00:54:21 Speaker 50: context. So, a large percentage of

00:54:23 Speaker 50: lands with archaeological potential, as shown

00:54:25 Speaker 50: on this map, will likely never

00:54:28 Speaker 50: see development. That that is, they

00:54:29 Speaker 50: are rural farmlands and natural or

00:54:31 Speaker 50: conservation lands that are well away

00:54:33 Speaker 50: from settlement areas. You know, there

00:54:35 Speaker 50: there's very limited likelihood that they

00:54:37 Speaker 50: would ever be developed in a

00:54:40 Speaker 50: way that would require the county

00:54:42 Speaker 50: to trigger an archaeological assessment or

00:54:45 Speaker 50: that a planning. application

00:54:47 Speaker 50: would be submitted. The map is

00:54:50 Speaker 50: really specifically applicable to those circumstances

00:54:51 Speaker 50: and applications where, within a planning

00:54:53 Speaker 50: context, archaeological assessments are triggered. So,

00:54:56 Speaker 50: to give some example on that,

00:55:00 Speaker 50: it would never. These areas of

00:55:02 Speaker 50: archaeological potential would never, for example,

00:55:05 Speaker 50: be zoned on to private lands

00:55:08 Speaker 50: or be applicable to, say, a

00:55:13 Speaker 50: farmer who wants to do some

00:55:14 Speaker 50: landscaping. It would never apply there.

00:55:16 Speaker 50: If that farmer wanted to. build

00:55:18 Speaker 50: a barn and a building

00:55:20 Speaker 50: permit was required, for example, unless

00:55:21 Speaker 50: the Gray County planning context requires

00:55:25 Speaker 50: archaeological assessments for building permits, it

00:55:27 Speaker 50: would it would not trigger an

00:55:29 Speaker 50: archaeological assessment. But in on that

00:55:31 Speaker 50: same land parcel, if a farmer

00:55:34 Speaker 50: wanted to several multiple lots build

00:55:36 Speaker 50: houses or redevelop their property entirely

00:55:38 Speaker 50: as a residential subdivision, then an

00:55:40 Speaker 50: archaeological assessment would be triggered. through

00:55:42 Speaker 50: the use of this planning tool.

00:55:44 Speaker 50: Some more detail just about what

00:55:46 Speaker 50: the planning tool might look like,

00:55:48 Speaker 50: and I—it's hard to show kind

00:55:50 Speaker 50: of the different representations of information

00:55:51 Speaker 50: here. But this is kind of

00:55:54 Speaker 56: a two-dimensional representation of what the

00:55:56 Speaker 56: planning layer would look like. Noting

00:55:58 Speaker 56: that behind this, for any planner,

00:55:59 Speaker 50: would be more details about what

00:56:03 Speaker 50: the features of archaeological potential are.

00:56:05 Speaker 50: If there's, say, a registered site,

00:56:07 Speaker 50: what that site is. There's a

00:56:10 Speaker 50: lot of information that would be

00:56:14 Speaker 50: in the in the data layer

00:56:17 Speaker 50: that would allow a planner to

00:56:20 Speaker 50: have much more information than just

00:56:24 Speaker 50: see this map. So the model

00:56:26 Speaker 50: itself is not just a map;

00:56:29 Speaker 50: it is also the data that

00:56:32 Speaker 50: goes with it that informs it.

00:56:34 Speaker 50: So the planning tool itself is

00:56:35 Speaker 50: both the map and data layers

00:56:38 Speaker 50: that are consulted when a planning

00:56:40 Speaker 50: application is received or municipal project

00:56:43 Speaker 50: is planned. If the proposal includes

00:56:46 Speaker 50: an area of archaeological potential, an

00:56:48 Speaker 50: archaeological assessment should be planned or

00:56:50 Speaker 50: triggered. The underlying data also alerts

00:56:53 Speaker 50: planners to the presence of archaeological

00:56:55 Speaker 50: sites immediately, to pass along to

00:56:59 Speaker 50: the proponent or to whoever is

00:57:01 Speaker 50: is coordinating a project to assist

00:57:03 Speaker 50: in planning. So it really allows

00:57:05 Speaker 50: very early planning in terms of

00:57:08 Speaker 50: you know. what is going to

00:57:10 Speaker 50: happen on a property and

00:57:12 Speaker 50: gives a little bit additional planning

00:57:18 Speaker 50: guidance even at a pre consultation

00:57:20 Speaker 50: stage to a proponent or planning

00:57:23 Speaker 50: for a municipal project for example.

00:57:25 Speaker 50: So the layer, as you can

00:57:31 Speaker 50: see in the image on the

00:57:33 Speaker 50: right, shows some features of archaeological

00:57:34 Speaker 50: potential. There, there's some historic buildings

00:57:36 Speaker 50: and roadways, water courses, a registered

00:57:39 Speaker 50: archaeological site. All of that green

00:57:43 Speaker 50: is buffering a. Green is buffering

00:57:46 Speaker 50: around those features of archaeological potential.

00:57:51 Speaker 50: Any project that would or planning

00:57:52 Speaker 50: application that would occur within or

00:57:55 Speaker 50: or just you know clip any

00:57:57 Speaker 50: portion of archaeological potential would require

00:58:00 Speaker 50: an archaeological assessment, as also informed

00:58:02 Speaker 50: by the planning and implementation process.

00:58:04 Speaker 50: And any area that fell outside

00:58:06 Speaker 50: of that green space would not

00:58:08 Speaker 50: require an archaeological assessment. So, in

00:58:11 Speaker 50: terms of our next steps from

00:58:12 Speaker 50: the potential model, so where we

00:58:14 Speaker 50: are at, we have developed this.

00:58:17 Speaker 50: We are pretty close to finalizing

00:58:20 Speaker 50: it. The model and its data

00:58:22 Speaker 50: layers are currently being reviewed by

00:58:26 Speaker 50: indigenous communities and stakeholders, and we

00:58:27 Speaker 50: are just kind of wrapping up,

00:58:30 Speaker 50: receiving feedback on that, and we'll

00:58:33 Speaker 50: be kind of completing that phase

00:58:35 Speaker 50: of. the project very shortly. We

00:58:38 Speaker 57: will also TMHC will be making

00:58:43 Speaker 50: recommendations for a process and a

00:58:47 Speaker 50: time period for updating the data

00:58:49 Speaker 50: that's within the model and for

00:58:51 Speaker 50: keeping the information current. And it's

00:58:53 Speaker 50: really important that the model and

00:58:56 Speaker 50: the mapping layer is considered to

00:58:58 Speaker 50: be a dynamic tool. There are

00:59:00 Speaker 50: archaeological sites registered every day. There

00:59:02 Speaker 50: are archaeological assessments and new planning

00:59:04 Speaker 50: applications coming in constantly, and the

00:59:06 Speaker 50: data is the. really critical piece

00:59:09 Speaker 50: here in in managing the

00:59:13 Speaker 50: county's risk. So it's really

00:59:15 Speaker 50: important that that we kind of

00:59:19 Speaker 50: position the model and the

00:59:21 Speaker 50: AMP in that very dynamic way.

00:59:24 Speaker 50: Aligned with the completion of the

00:59:26 Speaker 50: archaeological potential layer, that planning layer,

00:59:27 Speaker 50: the potential model is the development

00:59:29 Speaker 50: of the policy planning and implementation

00:59:31 Speaker 50: framework that is currently under the

00:59:33 Speaker 50: county's. Under the county scope, that

00:59:36 Speaker 50: framework will establish a process for

00:59:38 Speaker 50: how that map is going to

00:59:40 Speaker 50: be used within the planning context.

00:59:43 Speaker 50: What types of projects and planning

00:59:45 Speaker 50: application it is used for? For

00:59:48 Speaker 50: example, just for plans of subdivision,

00:59:49 Speaker 50: rezoning, severances, other applications. When indigenous

00:59:52 Speaker 50: and descendant community engagement is required,

00:59:56 Speaker 50: what and how requirements for archaeological

00:59:58 Speaker 50: assessment are communicated back to proponents.

01:00:01 Speaker 50: It will also set out

01:00:04 Speaker 50: a plan for training

01:00:06 Speaker 50: staff on the use of

01:00:09 Speaker 50: the model and understanding the data

01:00:11 Speaker 50: layers and what's behind that. It

01:00:13 Speaker 50: will also help establish a process

01:00:15 Speaker 50: for addressing inadvertent discoveries. We we

01:00:19 Speaker 50: hear about these in the news

01:00:21 Speaker 50: all the time, and and helping

01:00:22 Speaker 50: the county manage those and and

01:00:27 Speaker 50: helping components manage those as well.

01:00:29 Speaker 50: We'll also establish a process for

01:00:32 Speaker 50: maintaining the database of sites and

01:00:34 Speaker 50: reports, as I mentioned, for incorporating

01:00:35 Speaker 50: new finds. and new information, some

01:00:37 Speaker 50: of the benefits to having an

01:00:41 Speaker 50: A.m.P. really is to increase the

01:00:42 Speaker 50: efficiency, consistency, and predictability of the

01:00:44 Speaker 50: archaeological process, or identifying archaeological concerns

01:00:48 Speaker 50: within the planning process. The current

01:00:50 Speaker 50: process right now can be

01:00:52 Speaker 50: very subjective. It's very

01:00:55 Speaker 50: ad hoc. There's a lot of

01:00:57 Speaker 58: uncertainty in the in the in

01:01:01 Speaker 50: the process about decision making. when,

01:01:04 Speaker 50: why, and how. Who should we

01:01:05 Speaker 50: contact? The process will be established

01:01:08 Speaker 50: to keep information current and inaccurate,

01:01:10 Speaker 50: which I said is very important.

01:01:11 Speaker 50: Ultimately, though, the biggest benefit is

01:01:13 Speaker 50: that it will help reduce risks

01:01:15 Speaker 50: to the county. It will ensure

01:01:18 Speaker 50: the requirements and responsibilities are met,

01:01:19 Speaker 50: as they may not have been

01:01:22 Speaker 50: met in the most

01:01:24 Speaker 50: fulsome way in the past. It

01:01:26 Speaker 50: will. It's important to acknowledge. that

01:01:28 Speaker 50: these requirements for addressing archaeological interests

01:01:30 Speaker 50: and conserving archaeological resources exist, whether

01:01:32 Speaker 50: or not an AMP is in

01:01:34 Speaker 50: place. The AMP can certainly help

01:01:36 Speaker 50: reduce delays and uncertainty to, on

01:01:38 Speaker 50: behalf of the proponents, but also

01:01:41 Speaker 50: for municipal projects. If, if the

01:01:44 Speaker 50: expectations are set out and they

01:01:48 Speaker 50: are very clear from the beginning,

01:01:49 Speaker 50: I think it will help all

01:01:51 Speaker 50: parties move forward in a good

01:01:55 Speaker 50: way. An AMP can also reduce

01:01:59 Speaker 50: the number and likelihood of unanticipated

01:02:00 Speaker 50: finds and work stoppages where archaeological

01:02:03 Speaker 50: assessment or Indigenous engagement was not

01:02:09 Speaker 50: done in advance. And there are

01:02:10 Speaker 50: several examples within Gray County where

01:02:12 Speaker 50: we're witnessing both on the archaeological

01:02:13 Speaker 50: side and county side where there

01:02:15 Speaker 50: have been situations where not everyone

01:02:16 Speaker 59: was on the same page, and

01:02:20 Speaker 59: it's resulted in significant sites being

01:02:22 Speaker 60: found and a lot of additional

01:02:25 Speaker 60: costs and delay in that respect.

01:02:27 Speaker 60: So that's the end of kind

01:02:30 Speaker 60: of our formal presentation today, and

01:02:31 Speaker 60: we would gladly take questions with

01:02:34 Speaker 60: respect to our piece of the

01:02:35 Speaker 60: archaeological management plan. And I know

01:02:36 Speaker 60: Liz is also present there; can

01:02:38 Speaker 60: can address anything directed to the

01:02:40 Speaker 60: county side as well. Okay, thank

01:02:42 Speaker 60: you very much for those details.

01:02:44 Speaker 60: So with that, then we'll put

01:02:47 Speaker 60: it out to council members if

01:02:48 Speaker 60: they committee. Council members, if the

01:02:50 Speaker 60: committee, the whole members, if they

01:02:53 Speaker 60: have questions, we'll begin with Councillor

01:02:54 Speaker 60: Nielsen. Thank you very much, Gordon.

01:02:56 Speaker 60: Just a quick question regarding you.

01:02:59 Speaker 60: You've mentioned that the mapping itself

01:03:03 Speaker 60: is dynamic, and as information is

01:03:05 Speaker 60: gathered, the map is going to

01:03:06 Speaker 60: be updated, and you'd be clearing

01:03:08 Speaker 50: more lands. I guess would be

01:03:11 Speaker 50: the best way to put it.

01:03:13 Speaker 50: When it comes to the our

01:03:15 Speaker 50: archaeological studies need to be

01:03:18 Speaker 50: done, the scope of those is

01:03:21 Speaker 50: it on like a like very.

01:03:22 Speaker 50: minute and specific to the work

01:03:25 Speaker 50: that's being done within the land,

01:03:27 Speaker 50: or is it more broad to

01:03:30 Speaker 50: the size of the project of

01:03:35 Speaker 50: the lot itself? So I'm just

01:03:37 Speaker 50: wondering, in terms of when archaeological

01:03:40 Speaker 50: studies are done, how much potential

01:03:41 Speaker 50: I'll I'll use the word clearing

01:03:43 Speaker 50: of the um compositor archaeological potential

01:03:46 Speaker 50: mapping gets done. Just wondering, like

01:03:48 Speaker 50: the size of the scope of

01:03:51 Speaker 50: each study. Sure, it's dependent on

01:03:55 Speaker 50: the particular application. So if a

01:03:56 Speaker 50: planning application comes in and it's

01:03:59 Speaker 50: for a you know a twenty-acre

01:04:02 Speaker 50: residential development, it would typically cover

01:04:03 Speaker 50: and that all of that land

01:04:06 Speaker 50: is going to be impacted by

01:04:08 Speaker 50: the development. Then the standard is

01:04:10 Speaker 50: usually that that entire parcel is

01:04:12 Speaker 50: subject to archaeological excavation or investigation.

01:04:14 Speaker 50: Now, I would qualify that in

01:04:16 Speaker 50: saying you have other types of

01:04:19 Speaker 50: projects, like say municipal parks. projects

01:04:21 Speaker 50: where you might just be doing

01:04:23 Speaker 50: a trail, and in that case,

01:04:26 Speaker 50: the archaeological assessment is often scoped

01:04:29 Speaker 50: or focused specifically on the impacts

01:04:31 Speaker 50: from that project, as opposed to

01:04:35 Speaker 50: the complete legal land parcel. And

01:04:37 Speaker 50: I would also note that there

01:04:42 Speaker 50: are instances where the county can

01:04:45 Speaker 50: make those decisions to scope down

01:04:48 Speaker 50: assessments. So there are a lot

01:04:49 Speaker 50: of examples of, say, cottage developments

01:04:53 Speaker 50: where you might have, you know,

01:04:56 Speaker 61: a. small impact from a footprint

01:05:01 Speaker 61: of a new cottage and the

01:05:03 Speaker 62: driveway and any infrastructure going there,

01:05:05 Speaker 62: but you might have another, you

01:05:07 Speaker 63: know, twenty acres of woodland or

01:05:11 Speaker 63: natural areas in behind that are

01:05:12 Speaker 63: not being touched. But the planning,

01:05:14 Speaker 64: you know, application permits certain land

01:05:16 Speaker 65: uses to take place. So there's

01:05:19 Speaker 65: ways that that can be scoped

01:05:20 Speaker 65: down by the municipality, and but

01:05:22 Speaker 65: just ensuring that there's other kinds

01:05:24 Speaker 65: of covenants or language and review

01:05:26 Speaker 65: of any additional impacts on those

01:05:28 Speaker 65: areas that are not examined archaeologically.

01:05:29 Speaker 65: So there's there's a lot of

01:05:32 Speaker 65: power within the the county to

01:05:33 Speaker 65: establish those rules and scope of

01:05:37 Speaker 65: those assessments for sure. Okay, thank

01:05:38 Speaker 65: you. I'll look around the room

01:05:41 Speaker 65: and we'll go to Councillor McQueen.

01:05:43 Speaker 65: Thank you. Mr. Ward or Madam

01:05:45 Speaker 65: Warden, and to the presenter. I'm

01:05:47 Speaker 65: not sure where this is going

01:05:48 Speaker 65: to end up because I look

01:05:49 Speaker 65: at the one map that's a

01:05:54 Speaker 65: lot of blue and gray county.

01:05:55 Speaker 65: I know with other layers that

01:05:58 Speaker 65: we have seen in the past,

01:05:59 Speaker 65: we a lot of times we

01:06:00 Speaker 65: have checklists that sometimes identify if

01:06:01 Speaker 65: an area needs further scope or

01:06:03 Speaker 65: not. Concerns me if every zoning

01:06:04 Speaker 65: or every severance or every building

01:06:08 Speaker 65: a permit or every barn built

01:06:10 Speaker 65: has to have an arc. Built

01:06:12 Speaker 65: has to have an archaeological study.

01:06:16 Speaker 65: I think we're going to hear

01:06:17 Speaker 65: from that as a county counselor

01:06:18 Speaker 65: as well. Certainly, the potential I

01:06:19 Speaker 65: can see the mapping, and if

01:06:21 Speaker 65: there's areas that show a potential,

01:06:23 Speaker 65: you know, my father when he

01:06:24 Speaker 65: was a kid found an arrowhead.

01:06:26 Speaker 65: You could have arrowheads anywhere across

01:06:28 Speaker 65: this county. I couldn't find one,

01:06:30 Speaker 65: so I had to buy one.

01:06:32 Speaker 65: They're they're there. There's lots of

01:06:34 Speaker 65: them around. So my point is,

01:06:35 Speaker 65: is to what scope are we

01:06:37 Speaker 65: going to zero this down to

01:06:40 Speaker 65: in the sense of, and I

01:06:43 Speaker 65: think on the more on the

01:06:44 Speaker 65: proactive side, is if people find

01:06:48 Speaker 65: stuff, then you know they they

01:06:50 Speaker 65: may not identify it because they're

01:06:51 Speaker 65: they're worried about the overlayering what

01:06:52 Speaker 65: that could do to their property

01:06:53 Speaker 65: as well. So I think there

01:06:55 Speaker 65: has to be some kind of

01:06:56 Speaker 65: a a balance approach to where

01:06:58 Speaker 65: you move forward on you know

01:06:59 Speaker 65: I know for an example, scenic

01:07:01 Speaker 65: caves and Blue Mountains is a

01:07:02 Speaker 65: very historical site of knowledge knowing

01:07:03 Speaker 66: that said that was a a

01:07:09 Speaker 67: village certain. A village, certainly those

01:07:11 Speaker 67: areas, but it does concern me

01:07:13 Speaker 67: that you know to what level,

01:07:14 Speaker 67: to how far down you're you're

01:07:16 Speaker 67: going to drive this. I understand

01:07:17 Speaker 67: aggregate operators or whole development subdivisions,

01:07:19 Speaker 67: but if Mr. Smith is going

01:07:21 Speaker 67: to build a barn, you know

01:07:22 Speaker 67: I think that has a different

01:07:24 Speaker 67: potential on where this ends up

01:07:30 Speaker 68: going. And then I, you know,

01:07:33 Speaker 68: I always look at a checklist.

01:07:38 Speaker 69: Is something that you know is

01:07:40 Speaker 69: it does it could be

01:07:43 Speaker 69: scoped? Could it be you know

01:07:45 Speaker 69: doesn't meet that requirement? Or if

01:07:48 Speaker 50: it's in an area. Environment, or

01:07:51 Speaker 50: in an area where it has

01:07:52 Speaker 50: been highly identified, I just think

01:07:54 Speaker 50: we have to find there has

01:07:57 Speaker 50: to be a balance as well.

01:08:00 Speaker 50: Understood. Okay. Sorry, I'm. I'm just

01:08:03 Speaker 50: gonna just ask if you just

01:08:06 Speaker 50: want to respond to anything that

01:08:08 Speaker 50: that you can offer as a

01:08:12 Speaker 50: consultant. However, the discussion for this

01:08:14 Speaker 50: item will come when the report

01:08:17 Speaker 50: comes forward. So, just if if

01:08:18 Speaker 50: there's anything that you'd like to

01:08:20 Speaker 50: respond to that will assist in

01:08:22 Speaker 50: the information that Councillor McQueen was

01:08:24 Speaker 50: asking. Sure, I can just say

01:08:26 Speaker 50: that that those those questions are

01:08:28 Speaker 50: are are going to be addressed

01:08:30 Speaker 50: within the the the county's planning

01:08:33 Speaker 50: and implement implementation framework about which

01:08:35 Speaker 50: of those applications actually require an

01:08:38 Speaker 50: archaeological assessment and which do not,

01:08:40 Speaker 50: and those are important decisions because

01:08:42 Speaker 50: again, yes, we do not want

01:08:45 Speaker 50: to impinge on you know private

01:08:48 Speaker 50: landowners. you know, use of their

01:08:51 Speaker 50: land, and so yeah, we do

01:08:53 Speaker 50: identify that. There are lots of

01:08:55 Speaker 50: opportunities to work with identifying, you

01:08:58 Speaker 50: know, where there are also very

01:09:00 Speaker 50: high areas of archaeological sensitivity, where

01:09:01 Speaker 50: there might be an op opportunity

01:09:03 Speaker 50: to, you know, look more closely

01:09:04 Speaker 50: at some of those areas for

01:09:06 Speaker 50: some of those smaller applications, but

01:09:10 Speaker 50: not then require that to be

01:09:14 Speaker 50: the case throughout the entire county.

01:09:17 Speaker 50: So there's lots. of opportunities within

01:09:20 Speaker 50: that planning context. I would also

01:09:22 Speaker 50: note that there is an existing

01:09:24 Speaker 50: checklist that is developed by the

01:09:26 Speaker 50: ministry that many county staff have

01:09:29 Speaker 50: been using already, which is problematic

01:09:31 Speaker 50: for a number of reasons. It

01:09:33 Speaker 50: requires, in order to complete that

01:09:38 Speaker 50: checklist, it does it require evaluation

01:09:40 Speaker 70: of disturbance. The Ministry of Citizenship

01:09:42 Speaker 21: and Multiculturalism is very clear that

01:09:47 Speaker 21: only an archaeological someone with an

01:09:49 Speaker 21: archaeological licence can make that evaluation

01:09:50 Speaker 71: of disturbance. So that's often a

01:09:53 Speaker 71: place where a planner can make

01:09:56 Speaker 71: that decision, and then you find

01:09:58 Speaker 71: something in the field, and then

01:10:02 Speaker 71: it causes a work stoppage and

01:10:05 Speaker 71: has created a situation in the

01:10:07 Speaker 72: past. That checklist also requires engagement

01:10:10 Speaker 73: with Aboriginal—the language in the checklist

01:10:13 Speaker 73: is Aboriginal or Indigenous peoples—and to

01:10:16 Speaker 73: verify that and speak to

01:10:18 Speaker 73: their traditional land use as well.

01:10:20 Speaker 73: So. how does a planner use

01:10:23 Speaker 73: that or make that determination can

01:10:28 Speaker 73: be very challenging from the county

01:10:31 Speaker 73: perspective. So, the AMP is a

01:10:32 Speaker 73: way to help have those conversations

01:10:34 Speaker 73: and make that determination together. Okay,

01:10:36 Speaker 73: thank you very much. And

01:10:39 Speaker 73: I'll look around the room, and

01:10:41 Speaker 73: we'll go to Councillor Greg. Thank

01:10:43 Speaker 73: you, Orden, and through you, a

01:10:46 Speaker 73: question. Your second last slide, Holly,

01:10:47 Speaker 73: and. thanks for the presentation today.

01:10:53 Speaker 73: States reduce risk to the county.

01:10:56 Speaker 73: It's very easy just to always

01:10:58 Speaker 73: insert risk into into the the

01:10:59 Speaker 73: document. Can you please expand and

01:11:00 Speaker 73: define exactly what you are referring

01:11:02 Speaker 73: to in using the word risk?

01:11:05 Speaker 73: Sure. There's a number of of

01:11:06 Speaker 73: case studies where you know planners,

01:11:09 Speaker 73: for example, and other municipalities have

01:11:11 Speaker 73: made determinations based on that checklist

01:11:15 Speaker 73: we talked about, and and made

01:11:16 Speaker 73: those decisions, and then archaeological resources

01:11:19 Speaker 73: or burial sites in particular have

01:11:22 Speaker 73: been identified. A proponent is then

01:11:25 Speaker 73: saying, "Well, why?" And they've

01:11:27 Speaker 73: been identified in areas that have

01:11:30 Speaker 73: been deemed of no archaeological interest,

01:11:34 Speaker 73: and archaeological assessment has not

01:11:37 Speaker 73: been required within that municipal planning

01:11:39 Speaker 73: context. And then the proponent is

01:11:43 Speaker 73: left with you know work stoppage

01:11:45 Speaker 73: in millions of dollars. Work stoppage

01:11:48 Speaker 73: and millions of dollars of costs

01:11:50 Speaker 73: in reparation work in not able

01:11:53 Speaker 73: to necessarily proceed with their development.

01:11:55 Speaker 73: Their schedule is off, and they're

01:11:58 Speaker 74: looking back to the county for

01:12:00 Speaker 74: why? Why didn't you trigger an

01:12:01 Speaker 75: archaeological assessment when it clearly, very

01:12:06 Speaker 76: clearly needed one? So the decision

01:12:10 Speaker 76: making is not easy from a

01:12:11 Speaker 76: planning context. Archaeological interests are very

01:12:13 Speaker 77: hard to identify within a planning

01:12:18 Speaker 77: context, especially with new planners who

01:12:21 Speaker 77: are unfamiliar. with the process, we've

01:12:25 Speaker 77: seen cases where municipalities have been

01:12:28 Speaker 77: required to pay the costs of

01:12:32 Speaker 77: reparation work and archaeological assessment midway

01:12:34 Speaker 77: through construction projects. It causes a

01:12:38 Speaker 77: lot of shutdowns and expense and

01:12:41 Speaker 77: hardship and damages relationships with indigenous

01:12:45 Speaker 77: communities and with proponents as well.

01:12:48 Speaker 77: So that's happening and has happened

01:12:52 Speaker 77: throughout a lot of municipalities. so

01:12:54 Speaker 77: AMPS can can help define that

01:12:55 Speaker 77: process more clearly. Make sure that

01:12:56 Speaker 77: archaeological concerns are addressed early on.

01:12:58 Speaker 77: People aren't finding out about these

01:13:02 Speaker 77: partway through developments. There's not work

01:13:04 Speaker 77: stoppages, and making things these things

01:13:07 Speaker 77: move forward in a in a

01:13:10 Speaker 77: very transparent way. Okay, thank you,

01:13:11 Speaker 77: and we'll go to Councillor Dobrin.

01:13:13 Speaker 78: Thank you, and through you, Warden.

01:13:16 Speaker 79: Good morning, everyone, and thank you

01:13:20 Speaker 79: for. your presentation. The from a

01:13:23 Speaker 79: planning perspective, we already circulate to

01:13:24 Speaker 79: Indigenous agencies with regard to their

01:13:26 Speaker 79: interest. Recently, we have experienced a

01:13:27 Speaker 79: requirement for Phase One archaeological studies

01:13:29 Speaker 79: when an existing development and an

01:13:30 Speaker 79: existing farm is looking to sever

01:13:32 Speaker 79: or surplus farm severance, where development

01:13:33 Speaker 79: and farming. has occurred for decades,

01:13:34 Speaker 80: years, for however long. That phase

01:13:37 Speaker 80: one study will produce a certain

01:13:39 Speaker 80: level. Either decide whether or not

01:13:41 Speaker 81: it has to go to a

01:13:44 Speaker 81: phase two or phase three, or

01:13:46 Speaker 82: it can stop right there. At

01:13:50 Speaker 82: what point will our local planners

01:13:52 Speaker 82: then receive those phase one studies?

01:13:53 Speaker 82: Should they be forwarding them to

01:13:55 Speaker 82: be incorporated into this plan, and

01:13:56 Speaker 82: maybe? it's a question for when

01:13:58 Speaker 82: we get to the staff report.

01:13:59 Speaker 82: I see a nod over there,

01:14:00 Speaker 82: so I wasn't sure the involvement

01:14:02 Speaker 83: and at what level. So thank

01:14:07 Speaker 83: you. Okay, so Ms. Martell, if

01:14:09 Speaker 83: there's anything that you'd like to

01:14:10 Speaker 83: add, just because you won't be

01:14:11 Speaker 83: part of that discussion when we

01:14:12 Speaker 84: get to the county report, but

01:14:15 Speaker 84: the staff will will hold on

01:14:17 Speaker 84: to that discussion when we get

01:14:18 Speaker 84: to the report. Is there anything

01:14:19 Speaker 84: that you wanted to add to

01:14:20 Speaker 84: that? Okay, all right. Thank you.

01:14:22 Speaker 84: So, Councillor Dobrin, hold that thought,

01:14:23 Speaker 84: and we'll we'll bring up County

01:14:25 Speaker 84: Staff later. Okay, and looking around

01:14:28 Speaker 84: the room for any other hands.

01:14:29 Speaker 84: Okay, all right. See no further

01:14:32 Speaker 84: hands. Thank you very much, Ms.

01:14:35 Speaker 84: Martell and Mr. Moody, for attending

01:14:36 Speaker 84: today, and thank you for the

01:14:38 Speaker 84: details that you provided and presented

01:14:41 Speaker 84: to us. And we will go

01:14:43 Speaker 84: into a full some discussion when

01:14:45 Speaker 84: we come to the the staff

01:14:47 Speaker 84: report that comes later in the

01:14:48 Speaker 84: agenda. Thank you. Okay. so with

01:14:51 Speaker 84: that, then, what I'd like to

01:14:53 Speaker 84: do at this point in time,

01:14:55 Speaker 84: looking at the time, is I'd

01:14:56 Speaker 84: like to call out for determination

01:14:58 Speaker 84: of any items requiring separate discussion

01:15:02 Speaker 85: from the consent agenda, and then

01:15:05 Speaker 85: when we get to that point,

01:15:08 Speaker 85: we'll do a break before we

01:15:09 Speaker 85: go into the items that are

01:15:11 Speaker 85: for discussion. So with that, I'll

01:15:13 Speaker 85: put out a call for anything

01:15:15 Speaker 03: that's listed in six. We have

01:16:00 Speaker 01: seven different items that committee, the

01:25:40 Speaker 01: whole member, would like to have

01:25:42 Speaker 01: a separate discussion on. Anything there?

01:25:43 Speaker 03: Not seeing hands to my left.

01:26:02 Speaker 03: or my right or on the

01:26:03 Speaker 86: screen. So with that, then I'll

01:26:07 Speaker 86: just ask that it's recommended that

01:26:09 Speaker 86: the following consent agenda items be

01:26:10 Speaker 86: received, and that staff be authorised

01:26:13 Speaker 86: to take actions necessary to give

01:26:15 Speaker 86: effect to the recommendations in the

01:26:17 Speaker 86: staff reports, and that the

01:26:20 Speaker 86: correspondence be supported or received for

01:26:22 Speaker 86: information as recommended in the consent

01:26:24 Speaker 86: agenda. May I ask for a

01:26:26 Speaker 86: mover? Moved by Councillor Dobrin, seconded

01:26:28 Speaker 86: by Councillor Nielsen. Any discussion? All

01:26:30 Speaker 86: those in favour? and that motion

01:26:31 Speaker 86: is carried. Thank you. So at

01:26:34 Speaker 86: this point in time, we'll call

01:26:36 Speaker 03: a break. If we can come

01:26:49 Speaker 03: back by eleven twenty, we will

01:26:51 Speaker 03: continue with the items on the

01:26:52 Speaker 03: agenda. Thank you. Okay. If I

01:27:12 Speaker 03: could please invite all of our

01:27:13 Speaker 03: committee, the whole members, back to

01:27:15 Speaker 03: the table. Okay, so we are

01:27:17 Speaker 87: going to move on with Section

01:27:19 Speaker 87: Seven of our. See, yep, Section

01:27:20 Speaker 87: Seven of our agenda. These are

01:27:23 Speaker 87: the items that we have flagged

01:27:25 Speaker 87: for discussion. The first one is

01:27:27 Speaker 87: Item Seven A. It's recommended that

01:27:28 Speaker 87: Report PDR CW Forty Eight Twenty

01:27:32 Speaker 87: Five regarding the Archaeological Management Plan

01:27:35 Speaker 87: Status Update be received for information.

01:27:36 Speaker 87: May I ask for a mover

01:27:37 Speaker 87: and a seconder? Moved by Councillor

01:27:38 Speaker 87: Kentner, and seconded by. Councillor Carleton.

01:27:40 Speaker 87: So it's now on the floor

01:27:41 Speaker 87: for discussion. So I will invite

01:27:44 Speaker 87: Ms. Buckton to come up and

01:27:45 Speaker 87: begin the conversation regarding the report.

01:27:47 Speaker 87: Thank you. We just got a

01:27:51 Speaker 87: very brief slide deck. We're just

01:27:53 Speaker 87: getting that that loaded up. Thank

01:27:56 Speaker 87: you very much. Okay, so I

01:27:58 Speaker 87: think I thank you very much.

01:28:00 Speaker 87: I'm really excited to talk to

01:28:02 Speaker 87: County Council today about this project.

01:28:04 Speaker 87: It has been what I've been

01:28:07 Speaker 87: living and breathing for the last

01:28:09 Speaker 87: year, climbing an incredibly steep learning

01:28:11 Speaker 87: curve, and I feel. so much

01:28:14 Speaker 87: better for having done so. Hoping

01:28:17 Speaker 87: to share some of that today,

01:28:18 Speaker 87: we've certainly had an informative presentation

01:28:19 Speaker 87: by Team HCT staff. I think

01:28:23 Speaker 87: they're going to be hanging around

01:28:28 Speaker 87: on the line in case we

01:28:29 Speaker 87: do run into some questions at

01:28:32 Speaker 87: this phase as well, and that

01:28:34 Speaker 87: they might be better suited to

01:28:35 Speaker 87: answer. But I think we'll try

01:28:37 Speaker 87: to kind of parlay from the

01:28:39 Speaker 87: model into where we're headed with

01:28:41 Speaker 87: this project. So, in the report

01:28:43 Speaker 87: that's been provided for you. We've

01:28:44 Speaker 87: we've broken down or articulated this

01:28:47 Speaker 87: project as being comprised of three

01:28:48 Speaker 87: phases. So the first is the

01:28:50 Speaker 87: preparation of the archaeological potential model,

01:28:51 Speaker 87: as teammate she has presented on

01:28:53 Speaker 87: today. The next component of that

01:28:55 Speaker 87: is the archaeological management plan, and

01:28:57 Speaker 87: so that's a report format document

01:28:59 Speaker 87: that will outline the processes and

01:29:01 Speaker 87: procedures. And Holly did speak to

01:29:03 Speaker 87: this a little bit in her

01:29:06 Speaker 87: presentation as well, just outlining the

01:29:09 Speaker 87: types of I guess, triggers that

01:29:11 Speaker 87: would be articulated through the planning

01:29:13 Speaker 88: process, right? So, knowing that we

01:29:17 Speaker 88: have that model, we're identifying those

01:29:18 Speaker 88: areas of potential. What do we

01:29:20 Speaker 42: want to do with that information?

01:29:22 Speaker 42: So, obviously, there's some assessment requirements,

01:29:24 Speaker 42: but what type of applications? To

01:29:26 Speaker 42: what scope? To what scale? And

01:29:27 Speaker 42: what other tools do we want

01:29:28 Speaker 42: to establish to kind of support

01:29:31 Speaker 42: that framework and and the way

01:29:34 Speaker 42: that we deal with that framework

01:29:37 Speaker 42: in our process? So, all of

01:29:39 Speaker 42: that detail. will be established in

01:29:41 Speaker 42: that plan, and then we'll move

01:29:43 Speaker 42: into project implementation. And so through

01:29:45 Speaker 42: the implementation phase, as we would

01:29:49 Speaker 42: envision that we would be actively

01:29:50 Speaker 42: using the potential model, we would

01:29:52 Speaker 42: have our processes established together with

01:29:53 Speaker 42: the lower tiers, and would be,

01:29:55 Speaker 42: I guess, really implementing that that

01:29:57 Speaker 42: work into our processes, and that

01:29:59 Speaker 42: will come with training as well.

01:30:00 Speaker 42: So I think I really just

01:30:03 Speaker 42: wanted to focus in and highlight

01:30:05 Speaker 42: on. this next step that we're

01:30:07 Speaker 42: moving into, so this has already

01:30:09 Speaker 42: started to some degree. I have

01:30:12 Speaker 42: worked with Team HC to identify

01:30:13 Speaker 42: a bit of a table of

01:30:15 Speaker 42: contents or an inclusions list for

01:30:16 Speaker 42: that amp document, and so that

01:30:19 Speaker 42: inclusions list covers off the processes

01:30:21 Speaker 42: and procedures. It also will address

01:30:25 Speaker 42: some of the policy, which would

01:30:27 Speaker 42: be embedded into our official plan,

01:30:29 Speaker 42: as well as some of those

01:30:31 Speaker 42: unanticipated fines procedures and protocols. So.

01:30:33 Speaker 42: now it says AML. That's actually

01:30:36 Speaker 42: meant to be AMP. So the

01:30:38 Speaker 42: AMP is to be drafted and

01:30:39 Speaker 42: housed by county staff, and so

01:30:40 Speaker 42: that's summer and fall of 2025.

01:30:42 Speaker 42: Like I say, that work is

01:30:44 Speaker 42: is underway. That will be informed

01:30:46 Speaker 42: by our better practices in archaeology,

01:30:49 Speaker 42: land use planning, and as well

01:30:50 Speaker 42: the local consultation and engagement efforts.

01:30:53 Speaker 42: We just had a kickoff meeting

01:30:55 Speaker 42: yesterday with Saugeen Ojibway Nation to

01:30:56 Speaker 42: start to talk about that, and

01:30:58 Speaker 42: we'll be establishing a standing meeting

01:31:00 Speaker 42: with them so that we have

01:31:02 Speaker 42: an ongoing touch. point in relation

01:31:04 Speaker 42: to getting the procedures into place,

01:31:06 Speaker 42: but then also for the future

01:31:08 Speaker 42: implementation processes. That inclusions list is

01:31:10 Speaker 42: prepared, and I have been working

01:31:12 Speaker 42: to populate procedural elements of the

01:31:13 Speaker 42: plan. Team HC provided us with

01:31:15 Speaker 42: a copy of many many AMPS

01:31:17 Speaker 42: from across the province, so we've

01:31:19 Speaker 42: got some good examples that we

01:31:21 Speaker 42: can pull from and look at

01:31:23 Speaker 42: the different ways that different places

01:31:25 Speaker 42: have addressed some of these procedures

01:31:26 Speaker 42: and policies in their plans. so

01:31:28 Speaker 42: we'll pull from that to some

01:31:30 Speaker 42: degree. That policy rating will follow

01:31:31 Speaker 42: after we've got the procedures sorted

01:31:34 Speaker 42: out. That that would come forward

01:31:36 Speaker 42: and eventually look to be embedded

01:31:39 Speaker 42: in our official plans. So that

01:31:40 Speaker 42: would really describe those processes and

01:31:41 Speaker 42: how that applies in the planning

01:31:43 Speaker 42: context. And then we anticipate that

01:31:45 Speaker 42: as we get that draft completed,

01:31:47 Speaker 42: there would be a phase of

01:31:50 Speaker 42: consultation with respect to those policies

01:31:53 Speaker 42: and procedures. They will be developed

01:31:54 Speaker 42: collabouratively, so we will be back

01:31:56 Speaker 42: and forth with. the other parties

01:31:57 Speaker 42: that will be using those policies

01:31:59 Speaker 42: as we develop them. But we

01:32:00 Speaker 42: will have a formal consultation. Not

01:32:02 Speaker 42: all of the First Nations that

01:32:04 Speaker 42: we reached out to have taken

01:32:07 Speaker 42: an incredibly active role in the

01:32:09 Speaker 42: process thus far. So I think

01:32:10 Speaker 42: there are a number of communities

01:32:12 Speaker 89: that would just like to have

01:32:15 Speaker 89: a chance to see those policies

01:32:17 Speaker 89: before we complete. That will also

01:32:19 Speaker 89: include that correspondence with the

01:32:22 Speaker 89: member municipalities and as well some

01:32:23 Speaker 89: of the other agencies. So the

01:32:24 Speaker 89: Niagara Scarp Commission, for example. Nigerus

01:32:28 Speaker 89: gardening mission, for example, this will

01:32:29 Speaker 89: be a resource that would intersect

01:32:31 Speaker 89: with the planning, the planning with

01:32:32 Speaker 42: the day administrator as well. And

01:32:35 Speaker 42: then ongoing consideration, as we are

01:32:37 Speaker 42: drafting this, will be made to

01:32:38 Speaker 42: those implementation needs. So I'd love

01:32:40 Speaker 42: to be able to stand up

01:32:42 Speaker 42: here and say, by X date,

01:32:44 Speaker 42: we'll have that plan in front

01:32:46 Speaker 42: of you, and it'll be completely

01:32:48 Speaker 90: vetted and and ready to go,

01:32:50 Speaker 90: and we'll get that policy adoption

01:32:52 Speaker 90: advanced. But realistically, it's a lot

01:32:53 Speaker 90: of moving parts, and so we're

01:32:54 Speaker 90: just going to. have to work

01:32:56 Speaker 90: through as we go, and and

01:32:58 Speaker 86: I think our intention is to

01:33:00 Speaker 86: bring that policy back for adoption

01:33:02 Speaker 86: only once we've got that implementation

01:33:04 Speaker 86: framework sufficiently advanced, so that we

01:33:06 Speaker 86: can hit the ground running once

01:33:08 Speaker 86: that's in place. So I I

01:33:11 Speaker 86: think that's what I've prepared in

01:33:13 Speaker 86: terms of the slides for today.

01:33:14 Speaker 86: I did want to open it

01:33:16 Speaker 86: up for any conversation or questions

01:33:17 Speaker 86: around kind of that next step.

01:33:18 Speaker 86: Our intention is to be communicating

01:33:20 Speaker 86: with you and through the committee

01:33:22 Speaker 86: structures as well as as we're

01:33:24 Speaker 86: working through that, but happy to

01:33:25 Speaker 86: to do my best to to

01:33:28 Speaker 86: answer any questions that may arise

01:33:29 Speaker 91: today. So I'll just leave it

01:33:32 Speaker 91: there. Thank you very much. Okay,

01:33:34 Speaker 91: thank you. So it's good to

01:33:38 Speaker 91: know that you're there as well

01:33:40 Speaker 91: as the consultants are there

01:33:44 Speaker 91: still available online in case there

01:33:46 Speaker 91: are any specific questions that they

01:33:48 Speaker 91: might be able to help in

01:33:49 Speaker 92: answering. And it is has been

01:33:53 Speaker 92: moved and seconded to receive for

01:33:55 Speaker 92: information. And one of the key

01:33:56 Speaker 92: aspects I'm hearing from you. is

01:33:57 Speaker 93: seeking just input for the next

01:34:02 Speaker 94: steps. That this is we're we're

01:34:04 Speaker 94: not locking this in today. This

01:34:06 Speaker 94: is this is how are we

01:34:08 Speaker 42: feeling about this? What questions do

01:34:11 Speaker 42: we have, and what kind of

01:34:13 Speaker 42: input would we like to be

01:34:15 Speaker 42: considered along the way as you

01:34:17 Speaker 42: provide us with that step by

01:34:21 Speaker 42: step process? Okay, all right. So

01:34:24 Speaker 42: with that, then we'll begin committee.

01:34:26 Speaker 42: The whole questions we'll begin with

01:34:27 Speaker 42: the deputy warden. Thank you, Madam

01:34:29 Speaker 42: Warden, and through you, Liz. Thank

01:34:31 Speaker 95: you very much. Just wondering. is

01:34:33 Speaker 95: there a role here for the

01:34:35 Speaker 95: provincial and federal ministries, however they

01:34:37 Speaker 95: describe themselves nowadays? I can't remember

01:34:39 Speaker 95: the titles, but is there a

01:34:41 Speaker 95: role for them to be involved

01:34:43 Speaker 87: in? Do they necessarily need to

01:34:46 Speaker 87: approve our policy or not approve,

01:34:48 Speaker 87: so to speak? Could you maybe

01:34:49 Speaker 87: speak on that a little bit,

01:34:50 Speaker 87: please? Thank you. Wonderful, and Andrew

01:34:52 Speaker 87: Urdan, happy happy to speak to

01:34:54 Speaker 87: that. so the EMP itself, there

01:34:56 Speaker 87: there isn't an approval process for

01:34:59 Speaker 87: it. It is a management plan

01:35:00 Speaker 87: for resources in our geography. That

01:35:02 Speaker 87: said, there is quite a large

01:35:04 Speaker 87: legislative framework that goes around how

01:35:05 Speaker 87: that work happens, and so certainly

01:35:07 Speaker 87: the principles of those standards and

01:35:08 Speaker 87: guidelines have been regarded, I guess,

01:35:11 Speaker 87: in preparation of the model and

01:35:12 Speaker 87: the way that we've treated that

01:35:14 Speaker 87: data, and so we are, I

01:35:15 Speaker 87: guess, obligated to continue to maintain.

01:35:17 Speaker 87: those standards and guidelines through the

01:35:18 Speaker 87: the work that we're doing, but

01:35:21 Speaker 87: there there is not an approval

01:35:23 Speaker 87: authority role for the province in

01:35:25 Speaker 87: that. That said, I do think

01:35:28 Speaker 87: we will have some conversation with

01:35:29 Speaker 87: the ministry around data sharing. Right

01:35:31 Speaker 87: now, we've got everybody in on

01:35:33 Speaker 87: it, just on a temporary review

01:35:35 Speaker 87: basis to look at the model

01:35:37 Speaker 87: and to help us truth some

01:35:38 Speaker 87: of the site data. But I

01:35:41 Speaker 87: think the First Nations have expressed

01:35:43 Speaker 87: interest in ongoing access to some

01:35:46 Speaker 87: of that site data as we

01:35:50 Speaker 87: compile it. As we've compiled, because

01:35:52 Speaker 87: it's not available in other ways,

01:35:55 Speaker 87: and so we'd like to try

01:35:56 Speaker 87: and facilitate that. I think that

01:35:59 Speaker 96: will smooth the process if we're

01:36:02 Speaker 96: both looking at similar information, but

01:36:04 Speaker 96: we'll just need to work through

01:36:06 Speaker 96: jurisdictional problems of what agreements and

01:36:09 Speaker 96: that type of thing that we

01:36:10 Speaker 96: need to put in place. So,

01:36:12 Speaker 96: from that perspective, I think there'll

01:36:13 Speaker 97: be some intersection. I guess I

01:36:18 Speaker 97: would just additionally say that so

01:36:20 Speaker 97: Team H C prepared the potential

01:36:22 Speaker 97: model also for Bruce County, and

01:36:23 Speaker 79: so I think there there are

01:36:27 Speaker 79: some ongoing. discussions that Bruce is

01:36:29 Speaker 79: having regarding those data access pieces

01:36:31 Speaker 79: as well. So, as much as

01:36:36 Speaker 79: possible, we will be cross-pollinating to

01:36:40 Speaker 79: try and make sure that we've

01:36:42 Speaker 79: got a consistent approach right across

01:36:47 Speaker 79: the region, given that our models

01:36:49 Speaker 79: build from the same methodology as

01:36:51 Speaker 79: well. We're on on the way

01:36:56 Speaker 98: to that. Okay, thank you. Looking

01:37:01 Speaker 99: around the room, we'll go to

01:37:04 Speaker 79: Councillor McQueen. Thank you, Madam Warden.

01:37:07 Speaker 79: But were you going to address?

01:37:12 Speaker 79: Councillor De Brine's question at this

01:37:14 Speaker 79: point? I'm really curious about that

01:37:17 Speaker 79: question on surplus farm buildings, but

01:37:20 Speaker 79: I do have a comment and

01:37:23 Speaker 100: question to make. Okay, so I'm

01:37:28 Speaker 101: I'm waiting for hands to be

01:37:31 Speaker 101: raised. But Councillor De Brine, would

01:37:33 Speaker 102: you like to reintroduce your question?

01:37:36 Speaker 102: Thank you. Certainly. Thank you for

01:37:37 Speaker 102: the reminder. the The question that

01:37:38 Speaker 87: I posed, Liz, and thank you

01:37:41 Speaker 87: very much for the conversation at

01:37:43 Speaker 87: break, was in the process of

01:37:44 Speaker 87: being required through our. Let me

01:37:46 Speaker 87: start again. Through our indigenous circulation,

01:37:48 Speaker 87: when a archaeological study of any

01:37:50 Speaker 87: degree is requested, and and

01:37:52 Speaker 87: that is at the proponent's expense,

01:37:55 Speaker 87: would it would it be a

01:37:56 Speaker 87: requirement for that study to be

01:37:58 Speaker 87: shared with the county to be

01:37:59 Speaker 87: uploaded into this database? Okay, do

01:38:01 Speaker 87: you want it back? So I'm

01:38:03 Speaker 87: sorry. And and to that point,

01:38:04 Speaker 87: recently we've had where a community

01:38:06 Speaker 87: school is being proposed to be

01:38:07 Speaker 87: severed from a farm parcel, or

01:38:11 Speaker 87: in any case, a surplus farm

01:38:13 Speaker 87: severance, where it might trigger a

01:38:14 Speaker 87: phase one or more archaeological study.

01:38:16 Speaker 87: Great, thanks so much for that.

01:38:18 Speaker 87: And and to you, Madam Wardam.

01:38:20 Speaker 87: So I so I think so.

01:38:23 Speaker 87: You something just jumped out at

01:38:25 Speaker 87: me in the way that you

01:38:27 Speaker 87: phrased that. So you said, "As

01:38:29 Speaker 87: we circulate the applications to the

01:38:32 Speaker 87: Indigenous communities." So I'll just start

01:38:34 Speaker 87: there. So I think one of

01:38:37 Speaker 87: the opportunities that the AMP process

01:38:38 Speaker 87: presents us with is how do

01:38:40 Speaker 87: we actually do that engagement and

01:38:43 Speaker 87: identify those requirements. earlier in the

01:38:45 Speaker 87: process, so not at the point

01:38:46 Speaker 87: that we're sending out that notice

01:38:48 Speaker 87: of the application that it's been

01:38:50 Speaker 87: received, that we're moving to a

01:38:51 Speaker 87: public meeting, but prior to, so

01:38:54 Speaker 87: at a pre-consultation stage, so that

01:38:56 Speaker 87: will be one of one of

01:38:58 Speaker 87: the elements. There is we'll be

01:39:00 Speaker 87: able to to flag those sooner

01:39:02 Speaker 87: for proponents, but I think in

01:39:03 Speaker 87: terms of those requirements to share

01:39:06 Speaker 87: back with us, it's a great

01:39:08 Speaker 87: suggestion, and I do think that

01:39:10 Speaker 87: through the the drafting of the

01:39:13 Speaker 87: amp, we will include some standard.

01:39:15 Speaker 87: condition wording associated with that. So

01:39:17 Speaker 87: one of the ideas that is

01:39:18 Speaker 87: discussed in the report is whether

01:39:21 Speaker 87: or not we should or may

01:39:22 Speaker 87: decide to develop a bit of

01:39:24 Speaker 103: a repository for holding those assessment

01:39:27 Speaker 103: reports ourselves. So right now

01:39:29 Speaker 103: the process is that those reports

01:39:31 Speaker 103: are lodged with the ministry into

01:39:33 Speaker 104: their formal repository, but there is

01:39:37 Speaker 104: no spatial mapping with that. And

01:39:39 Speaker 105: as we've learned, it's sometimes difficult

01:39:43 Speaker 105: to get that information back out

01:39:45 Speaker 105: in in the timeframe that you

01:39:47 Speaker 105: need it, and so the city

01:39:50 Speaker 105: of Kingston, for example, has set

01:39:54 Speaker 105: that up. They've got a lodging

01:39:56 Speaker 105: supply line place that does require

01:39:59 Speaker 105: that those be submitted to the

01:40:02 Speaker 105: city as well as the ministry,

01:40:04 Speaker 106: so that they maintain their own

01:40:09 Speaker 107: database of all those reports. And

01:40:12 Speaker 107: I think that could facilitate a

01:40:14 Speaker 87: future where you open the model

01:40:16 Speaker 87: under protected access and click

01:40:18 Speaker 87: on a prior site

01:40:20 Speaker 87: and pull up the report, right?

01:40:22 Speaker 87: So that we have that. Right,

01:40:24 Speaker 87: so that we'd have that information

01:40:26 Speaker 87: at a later date, and so

01:40:29 Speaker 87: that really would support that type

01:40:30 Speaker 87: of framework if we are receiving

01:40:31 Speaker 87: those reports back directly. So I

01:40:34 Speaker 87: think that's great foreshadowing. I suspect

01:40:35 Speaker 87: those standards commissions may include something

01:40:37 Speaker 87: along those lines that where that's

01:40:39 Speaker 108: required, we'd ask for those back.

01:40:42 Speaker 108: Follow up. Yes, just one follow

01:40:43 Speaker 108: up then. So it comes down

01:40:45 Speaker 108: to who paid for the

01:40:48 Speaker 108: study, and if it's a not

01:40:49 Speaker 109: a subdivision or developer, and it's

01:40:51 Speaker 109: a private landowner, are they? Can

01:40:53 Speaker 109: we obligate them to share the

01:40:55 Speaker 109: the results of the study beyond

01:40:57 Speaker 110: such that the indigenous agency is

01:40:59 Speaker 110: satisfied and we can proceed? I've

01:41:02 Speaker 110: met the condition. Okay, and through

01:41:04 Speaker 110: you, Madam Wanda. So I I

01:41:07 Speaker 110: think so. My understanding is that

01:41:09 Speaker 110: in completing that assessment. in in

01:41:12 Speaker 110: consideration to the standards and guidelines

01:41:14 Speaker 110: under that archaeological framework, that that

01:41:19 Speaker 110: archaeologist would be required to submit

01:41:21 Speaker 110: that to the province, so it

01:41:23 Speaker 110: wouldn't be just a necessarily private

01:41:25 Speaker 110: study for their own reference. But

01:41:28 Speaker 110: but you're right, we could be

01:41:31 Speaker 110: asking to also obtain a copy

01:41:33 Speaker 110: of those. And I see Holly's

01:41:36 Speaker 110: on there as well, so that

01:41:38 Speaker 110: might be one where I would

01:41:42 Speaker 111: take Holly in as well, Madam

01:41:45 Speaker 111: Morbin, if that's okay. Okay, Miss

01:41:47 Speaker 112: Myrtle, if you're there, if you.

01:41:50 Speaker 112: would like to add, I can

01:41:52 Speaker 112: just clarify that process. So, archaeological

01:41:53 Speaker 113: assessments have to be done by

01:41:57 Speaker 114: a licenced archaeologist. So, archaeologists are

01:41:59 Speaker 115: licenced to undertake the work. As

01:42:02 Speaker 115: part of their licensing requirements, they

01:42:04 Speaker 115: must file a report with the

01:42:05 Speaker 116: Ministry of Citizenship and Multiculturalism. It

01:42:08 Speaker 116: goes into a provincial register of

01:42:09 Speaker 116: archaeological reports, which is a public

01:42:11 Speaker 116: register of reports. Certain sections of

01:42:13 Speaker 116: the reports may are not publicly

01:42:14 Speaker 116: available, but those are always subject.

01:42:16 Speaker 116: and can be acquired under FO

01:42:18 Speaker 116: requests. So there, there is a

01:42:20 Speaker 116: public, a public repository. It just

01:42:21 Speaker 116: can be challenging to get the

01:42:22 Speaker 117: information out of that. In terms

01:42:25 Speaker 118: of can you obligate someone to

01:42:28 Speaker 118: submit directly to Grey County? I'm

01:42:30 Speaker 118: not sure that you can. The

01:42:31 Speaker 118: information can be accessible. Well, but

01:42:32 Speaker 118: noting that it is accessible at

01:42:34 Speaker 118: the at the provincial level, regardless.

01:42:36 Speaker 65: So. okay, thank you. So now

01:42:40 Speaker 65: I'll go back over to Councillor

01:42:42 Speaker 65: McLean. Thank you, Madam Warden. So

01:42:44 Speaker 65: I think one thing I think

01:42:45 Speaker 65: will have to be explained is

01:42:47 Speaker 65: what is a stage one archaeological

01:42:48 Speaker 65: study and what does that include?

01:42:50 Speaker 65: Because what I understand is, from

01:42:51 Speaker 65: my little experience with regards to

01:42:55 Speaker 65: aggregate, that you have to plow

01:42:56 Speaker 119: the field. That's stage one. So

01:42:58 Speaker 119: if you're doing a certain So

01:43:01 Speaker 119: if you're doing a, is that

01:43:02 Speaker 119: not? I don't know because but

01:43:04 Speaker 120: then I thought from stage two,

01:43:07 Speaker 121: then it's a further in depth

01:43:10 Speaker 121: if they find something. But from

01:43:12 Speaker 122: my experience, for stage one is

01:43:14 Speaker 122: plow the field, disk it, and

01:43:16 Speaker 122: then they wait for a rainstorm,

01:43:17 Speaker 122: a rain, and then it shows

01:43:20 Speaker 122: up. So if you're going to

01:43:21 Speaker 122: surface farm drilling or creating a

01:43:23 Speaker 122: severance, that means you're going to

01:43:24 Speaker 122: have to plow the whole person's

01:43:25 Speaker 122: lawn, the surface of the house

01:43:27 Speaker 122: off from the farm. So then,

01:43:28 Speaker 122: if it's about severance or about

01:43:30 Speaker 122: zoning. then, then, then from the

01:43:31 Speaker 122: agricultural side, does that mean every

01:43:32 Speaker 123: building that's being required is going

01:43:35 Speaker 123: to have to do one? Because

01:43:37 Speaker 123: what's the difference between a severance

01:43:38 Speaker 123: is to build a new house

01:43:39 Speaker 123: or a surplus farm dwelling house

01:43:40 Speaker 124: is already there, but if it's

01:43:43 Speaker 124: requiring a cattle barn, there. So

01:43:44 Speaker 65: I think in the sense of

01:43:48 Speaker 65: this goes back to green and

01:43:51 Speaker 65: gray and the corridors across across

01:43:54 Speaker 65: Gray County, a lot of input

01:43:55 Speaker 65: was supplied from the agricultural side

01:43:56 Speaker 65: on what's happening and how it's.

01:43:57 Speaker 65: affecting the land, especially the agricultural

01:43:58 Speaker 65: sites. So there's a lot of

01:43:59 Speaker 65: stuff here, and the require if

01:44:01 Speaker 65: if if it's required across, then

01:44:03 Speaker 65: I think we need to communicate

01:44:04 Speaker 65: that to our residents and the

01:44:06 Speaker 65: agricultural sites especially. But nothing to

01:44:07 Speaker 65: do with if it's if it's

01:44:09 Speaker 65: regards to the severance. Well, the

01:44:11 Speaker 125: part of the severance is because

01:44:15 Speaker 125: somebody's going to build a house.

01:44:17 Speaker 125: So, but if you're building a

01:44:18 Speaker 125: cattle barn, you're not doing a

01:44:20 Speaker 125: severance. You're still disturbing. So I

01:44:22 Speaker 125: mean, you could have 100 acres

01:44:23 Speaker 126: of corn that's get disturbed every

01:44:25 Speaker 126: year. Store every year. I mean,

01:44:27 Speaker 126: there's a lot of stuff here,

01:44:28 Speaker 126: and I think it's confusing to

01:44:30 Speaker 126: a lot of people. That's the

01:44:32 Speaker 126: requirement that you're going to make.

01:44:33 Speaker 126: And then I think my other

01:44:34 Speaker 126: comment, going back to Councillor Craig,

01:44:36 Speaker 126: is about liability. Well, if it's

01:44:38 Speaker 127: not being required, can we not,

01:44:42 Speaker 127: as a county, say, okay, you

01:44:43 Speaker 87: have to developer A, you have

01:44:47 Speaker 87: to sign this to say it's

01:44:49 Speaker 87: up to you if you want

01:44:52 Speaker 87: to do one, but if you

01:44:54 Speaker 87: don't want to do it, the

01:44:56 Speaker 87: county's not liable. There's ways of

01:44:58 Speaker 87: doing that as well. So. you

01:45:00 Speaker 87: know, so I think there's a

01:45:02 Speaker 87: lot of stuff here, and for

01:45:04 Speaker 87: the report, but I think we

01:45:07 Speaker 87: better start communicating with a lot

01:45:10 Speaker 87: of different people on before this

01:45:13 Speaker 87: gets too far down the road.

01:45:16 Speaker 87: Okay, so Miss Buxton, did you

01:45:17 Speaker 87: want to talk about the communications

01:45:19 Speaker 87: you've been having and the input

01:45:20 Speaker 87: that you've been gathering, and and

01:45:23 Speaker 87: we'll see who else would like

01:45:25 Speaker 87: to add something. Thank you very

01:45:26 Speaker 87: much. I appreciate that. You're right;

01:45:30 Speaker 87: it's very complicated. There's a lot

01:45:33 Speaker 87: of pieces that are tied up

01:45:37 Speaker 87: to together there, so. I I

01:45:38 Speaker 87: do think maybe make a few

01:45:40 Speaker 87: remarks, and I think it might

01:45:43 Speaker 87: be advantageous just to have Dr.

01:45:46 Speaker 87: Martel give a brief overview of

01:45:48 Speaker 87: the stages of assessment. So I

01:45:51 Speaker 87: I think I guess I I

01:45:52 Speaker 87: wouldn't necessarily get too caught up

01:45:53 Speaker 87: by the surplus farm dwelling severance

01:45:55 Speaker 87: context in that example. Firstly, it's

01:45:58 Speaker 87: a historic schoolhouse. There there could

01:45:59 Speaker 87: be some interest in relation just

01:46:02 Speaker 87: to that fact that that the

01:46:05 Speaker 87: building itself and the site itself

01:46:06 Speaker 87: has some history. so I think

01:46:08 Speaker 87: maybe setting aside that particular example.

01:46:10 Speaker 87: What I would say is that

01:46:11 Speaker 87: you know the planning act applications

01:46:14 Speaker 87: are often acting as the trigger.

01:46:16 Speaker 87: So we have our our obligation

01:46:18 Speaker 87: as the county to administer that

01:46:21 Speaker 87: framework to ensure that we're meeting

01:46:23 Speaker 87: those policy obligations that are set

01:46:25 Speaker 87: out for us in the PPS,

01:46:28 Speaker 87: so that we're ensuring that early

01:46:30 Speaker 87: engagement, that we're making sure that

01:46:32 Speaker 87: we're not allowing for site alteration

01:46:33 Speaker 87: until disturbance. sorry, until those artifacts

01:46:35 Speaker 87: or resources have been protected, but

01:46:37 Speaker 87: I think we don't necessarily have

01:46:39 Speaker 87: a trigger at a building permit

01:46:40 Speaker 87: stage. So, looking at that situation

01:46:43 Speaker 87: where you know we've got an

01:46:44 Speaker 87: existing property, it's a farm. They've

01:46:46 Speaker 87: got rural zoning on it that

01:46:47 Speaker 87: would facilitate a barn construction. I

01:46:49 Speaker 87: would suggest to you that the

01:46:51 Speaker 87: trigger is not at building permits,

01:46:54 Speaker 87: so they would definitely not be

01:46:56 Speaker 87: subject to an assessment. requirement just

01:46:58 Speaker 87: by virtue of the building permit

01:47:00 Speaker 87: application itself. If they are entering

01:47:02 Speaker 87: into the planning act application, that's

01:47:05 Speaker 87: where our policy obligations are triggered,

01:47:06 Speaker 87: and that's where that becomes then

01:47:10 Speaker 87: a requirement of the process for

01:47:12 Speaker 87: us to address any resources that

01:47:14 Speaker 87: are identified there. So there's some

01:47:16 Speaker 87: nuance in terms of what triggers

01:47:18 Speaker 87: the assessment and what the requirements

01:47:19 Speaker 87: then are. So certainly we can

01:47:21 Speaker 87: talk more about that, but I

01:47:22 Speaker 128: think just on that communications. piece

01:47:27 Speaker 128: as well. Yes, absolutely. I think

01:47:29 Speaker 128: there there will be the requirement

01:47:30 Speaker 129: for lots of communication. I think

01:47:33 Speaker 129: firstly we need to get the

01:47:36 Speaker 129: procedures sorted so that we really

01:47:37 Speaker 129: have an understanding of of

01:47:39 Speaker 129: what we need to be

01:47:41 Speaker 110: communicating. So what applications do we

01:47:45 Speaker 110: expect will trigger those assessments? What

01:47:47 Speaker 110: tools do we have to scope

01:47:51 Speaker 110: them or leave them

01:47:53 Speaker 110: or defer them, put them as

01:47:55 Speaker 110: conditions? Those kind of things. So

01:47:58 Speaker 110: all of that detail will work

01:47:59 Speaker 110: out through the the policy and

01:48:00 Speaker 110: procedure process. like say, we'll be

01:48:03 Speaker 110: back and forth with with everyone

01:48:05 Speaker 110: around this table and with the

01:48:07 Speaker 110: member municipal staff as well. So

01:48:09 Speaker 110: we really, really hope that that

01:48:10 Speaker 110: will be a very clear process,

01:48:12 Speaker 110: very clear about when the assessments

01:48:13 Speaker 110: are required, what's triggering them, and

01:48:16 Speaker 110: and the stage to which that

01:48:18 Speaker 110: level of assessment needs to happen.

01:48:19 Speaker 110: But if if that's okay with

01:48:22 Speaker 110: you, Madam Warden, I'd I'd love

01:48:23 Speaker 110: to ask Dr. Mantell just to

01:48:25 Speaker 110: speak a little bit about that

01:48:27 Speaker 110: stage, the stages of assessment, if

01:48:30 Speaker 110: she would mind. Assessment, if she

01:48:31 Speaker 110: wouldn't mind. Okay, we're going to

01:48:33 Speaker 110: hear from the consultants first, and

01:48:35 Speaker 110: then we'll go to your follow-up,

01:48:36 Speaker 110: Councillor McQueen. Go ahead. Sure,

01:48:39 Speaker 110: I'll just give a very brief

01:48:42 Speaker 110: overview. So, there are four stages

01:48:43 Speaker 110: to archaeological assessment. The stage one

01:48:45 Speaker 110: archaeological assessment is evaluation of archaeological

01:48:47 Speaker 110: potential. It's usually a desktop study,

01:48:49 Speaker 110: where you gather the information from

01:48:51 Speaker 110: maps, historic material, look at registration.

01:48:54 Speaker 110: Look at registered archaeological sites, previous

01:48:56 Speaker 110: archaeological assessments, and then you evaluate

01:48:58 Speaker 110: if there's archaeological potential retained on

01:49:00 Speaker 110: the property, or if there's any

01:49:02 Speaker 110: registered sites and things like that.

01:49:05 Speaker 110: Are there any archaeological concerns? If

01:49:07 Speaker 110: a property has archaeological potential, then

01:49:09 Speaker 110: a stage two is required. The

01:49:12 Speaker 110: stage two is a property survey.

01:49:14 Speaker 110: So we would go out, and

01:49:15 Speaker 110: in the case of an agricultural

01:49:19 Speaker 110: field, it would have to be

01:49:22 Speaker 110: plowed and surveyed, look for archaeological

01:49:24 Speaker 130: sites. If it's a non-plowable area,

01:49:28 Speaker 130: it would be test pitted, shovel.

01:49:29 Speaker 130: It would be test pitting, shovel

01:49:31 Speaker 130: test pitting, excavation of small holes,

01:49:32 Speaker 131: and we screen the soil and

01:49:35 Speaker 131: look for artifacts. If a site

01:49:37 Speaker 131: is found, then a stage three

01:49:39 Speaker 131: archaeological assessment is triggered for any

01:49:39 Speaker 131: findings that are of cultural heritage

01:49:41 Speaker 131: value or interest. Out of stage

01:49:43 Speaker 131: two, the stage three is further

01:49:45 Speaker 131: testing of the site that might

01:49:47 Speaker 131: involve some additional background research, some

01:49:49 Speaker 65: targeted excavation to kind of collect

01:49:55 Speaker 65: a sample of material from the

01:49:57 Speaker 132: site, determine what it is, what

01:50:01 Speaker 65: it represents, what its age is,

01:50:04 Speaker 65: whether it What its age is,

01:50:06 Speaker 65: whether it's in intact and has

01:50:09 Speaker 65: integrity or not, and based on

01:50:10 Speaker 65: provincial criteria, we would either say

01:50:14 Speaker 65: the site is sufficiently documented, has

01:50:15 Speaker 133: no further cultural heritage value or

01:50:18 Speaker 133: interest, and no assessment would be

01:50:20 Speaker 133: required, or if it meets kind

01:50:21 Speaker 133: of the threshold and criteria that

01:50:23 Speaker 133: the ministry establishes and is significant,

01:50:25 Speaker 133: then it requires a stage four

01:50:28 Speaker 134: mitigation, which can occur through either

01:50:31 Speaker 134: avoidance and protection over the long

01:50:32 Speaker 134: term, just ways to protect archaeological

01:50:34 Speaker 134: sites within green spaces, or it

01:50:36 Speaker 134: would be a full excavation and

01:50:37 Speaker 134: mitigation of impacts to those through

01:50:40 Speaker 135: full documentation. Okay, thank you. So

01:50:42 Speaker 135: we'll go to the follow up

01:50:43 Speaker 135: to Councillor McQueen, and I believe

01:50:46 Speaker 135: Councillor Nielsen has his hand

01:50:49 Speaker 135: up. After that, thank you,

01:50:51 Speaker 135: Madam Warden. Thank you very, very

01:50:53 Speaker 135: much for explaining those stages. I

01:50:55 Speaker 135: think that helps a little bit

01:50:57 Speaker 136: in the sense of to the

01:50:59 Speaker 65: severity of what we're talking about,

01:51:01 Speaker 65: or to the stages of that.

01:51:02 Speaker 65: but if it's a planning act

01:51:05 Speaker 65: or a planning act or or

01:51:08 Speaker 65: a planning application that triggers that,

01:51:11 Speaker 65: um, you know, for severance or

01:51:12 Speaker 65: for surplus or said a church.

01:51:15 Speaker 65: I guess the point is, so

01:51:16 Speaker 65: we, it's about the building part.

01:51:18 Speaker 65: Is it about the excavation of

01:51:19 Speaker 65: the soil and determining the new

01:51:23 Speaker 137: use? Where, again. if it was

01:51:27 Speaker 137: a farm that was proposed, or

01:51:28 Speaker 137: a rural property that was proposed

01:51:30 Speaker 137: to be severed, you can build

01:51:33 Speaker 137: barns all over the place, hypothetically

01:51:35 Speaker 137: saying. But if once you make

01:51:36 Speaker 137: an application for a severance, or

01:51:38 Speaker 137: say it's a commercial shop, that's

01:51:39 Speaker 137: the trigger. But you can also

01:51:41 Speaker 138: have ADUs on land that you

01:51:43 Speaker 138: don't need trigger. So there's not

01:51:45 Speaker 138: consistency here. Like, I mean, what

01:51:48 Speaker 138: are you trying? What? What? I

01:51:51 Speaker 138: understand what you're trying to trying

01:51:53 Speaker 138: to achieve. here, but I think

01:51:56 Speaker 138: that you have to find the

01:51:58 Speaker 138: balance. Like certainly from a full-fledged

01:51:59 Speaker 139: subdivision and aggregate operation, because you're

01:52:02 Speaker 139: completely removing everything from agriculture or

01:52:05 Speaker 139: from an aggregate, and certainly from

01:52:07 Speaker 138: a subdivision plan, everything's going to

01:52:10 Speaker 138: get moved and replaced, and and

01:52:11 Speaker 138: it's sure you disturb.ing I can

01:52:14 Speaker 138: understand that part, but I think

01:52:17 Speaker 138: on the other side is if

01:52:19 Speaker 138: you're trying to preserve things, then

01:52:21 Speaker 138: instead of penalizing or making people

01:52:23 Speaker 138: punitive. People are punitive. Have it

01:52:25 Speaker 138: on the other side. If people

01:52:28 Speaker 138: find something, it's support it instead

01:52:30 Speaker 138: of saying, "Well, you have to

01:52:33 Speaker 138: do this." So I'll I'll leave

01:52:35 Speaker 138: my comments to come back to

01:52:37 Speaker 138: the report. But I think sometimes

01:52:39 Speaker 138: it's easier without any mistake. But

01:52:41 Speaker 138: anyway. Okay. Thank you. Just before

01:52:42 Speaker 138: we move on to other council

01:52:45 Speaker 138: members, we're going to go to

01:52:47 Speaker 138: the CAO. Thank you, Warden. And

01:52:48 Speaker 138: those are those are all great

01:52:50 Speaker 138: comments and questions, Councillor Queen. And

01:52:53 Speaker 138: I think that's going to be.

01:52:56 Speaker 138: a key part of the next

01:53:00 Speaker 138: steps. Is to what does that

01:53:01 Speaker 138: policy and process look like? What

01:53:03 Speaker 138: are those those triggers? If something

01:53:06 Speaker 138: is triggered, what's the is there

01:53:08 Speaker 138: a scoped exercise as as as

01:53:11 Speaker 138: it relates to whatever development that's

01:53:12 Speaker 138: being proposed? Back to Dr. Martell,

01:53:15 Speaker 138: you know, indicating if it's a

01:53:20 Speaker 138: plan of subdivision, it might be

01:53:21 Speaker 138: one one level of scope. If

01:53:24 Speaker 138: it's something that's a consent or

01:53:25 Speaker 138: another thing, is that a trigger?

01:53:28 Speaker 138: The thing is, that a trigger

01:53:29 Speaker 138: point is if it is, what

01:53:31 Speaker 138: does that look like in terms

01:53:32 Speaker 138: of process and and trying to

01:53:34 Speaker 138: find that that balance of of

01:53:36 Speaker 138: respecting that we want to continue

01:53:38 Speaker 138: to provide for those opportunities, but

01:53:40 Speaker 138: also make sure that that we're

01:53:43 Speaker 138: working with our indigenous communities and

01:53:46 Speaker 138: protecting any potential resources that might

01:53:47 Speaker 138: exist. Right now, also, you know,

01:53:54 Speaker 138: there are triggers that are by

01:53:55 Speaker 138: default happening today on a hundred

01:54:03 Speaker 140: percent of the lands. On 100%

01:54:06 Speaker 141: of the lands, essentially, because we

01:54:08 Speaker 141: don't have any mapping that's in

01:54:10 Speaker 141: place. So, for example, for a

01:54:12 Speaker 141: plan of subdivision, right now it's

01:54:14 Speaker 65: automatic that, because we don't have

01:54:16 Speaker 65: these mapping and policies and procedures

01:54:18 Speaker 65: in place, if you're proposing a

01:54:19 Speaker 65: plan of subdivision, automatically do an

01:54:20 Speaker 65: archaeological assessment, like to do a

01:54:21 Speaker 142: minimum stage one, stage two, and

01:54:24 Speaker 142: and so in in right now

01:54:25 Speaker 142: without the information that we are

01:54:29 Speaker 142: going to have as part of

01:54:30 Speaker 142: this process, which will provide more

01:54:32 Speaker 142: information for everyone that's involved in

01:54:34 Speaker 142: this process, and will provide clear,

01:54:36 Speaker 142: consistent policies and framework for us

01:54:38 Speaker 142: to all help navigate through and

01:54:40 Speaker 142: work with both the developers, proponents,

01:54:42 Speaker 142: landowners, as well as our indigenous

01:54:43 Speaker 143: communities to navigate through this. Because

01:54:46 Speaker 143: as as Dr. Martell has indicated,

01:54:47 Speaker 143: as Liz has indicated, it's complex,

01:54:52 Speaker 144: and so taking some of that

01:54:57 Speaker 110: complexity out and being clear and

01:55:01 Speaker 110: concise in terms of what that

01:55:02 Speaker 110: policy and process framework looks. like

01:55:04 Speaker 110: is exactly what the next step

01:55:06 Speaker 110: process will be, and as was

01:55:08 Speaker 110: indicated, we'll be bringing that that

01:55:12 Speaker 110: framework back to council for the

01:55:14 Speaker 110: discussion and having further engagement with

01:55:16 Speaker 110: with folks in terms of that

01:55:20 Speaker 110: what that process and policy might

01:55:21 Speaker 145: look like. Councillor McQueen, I I

01:55:24 Speaker 145: have two people who are now

01:55:25 Speaker 145: waiting in the queue, so so.

01:55:27 Speaker 145: I support that. I think identifying

01:55:29 Speaker 145: where the areas that are interest

01:55:31 Speaker 110: makes sense instead of just you

01:55:34 Speaker 110: got everybody's got to do it.

01:55:37 Speaker 110: So I I support that idea

01:55:41 Speaker 110: if it's identified that around water

01:55:43 Speaker 110: courses certain areas where that that

01:55:44 Speaker 110: makes a lot of sense. You

01:55:51 Speaker 110: don't know it until you map

01:55:53 Speaker 146: it. So that makes sense. Okay,

01:55:58 Speaker 146: we're going to go to Councillor

01:55:59 Speaker 146: Nielsen and then Councillor Mackey will

01:56:01 Speaker 146: be after Councillor Nielsen. Thank you

01:56:03 Speaker 146: very much, Warden. Just a quick

01:56:05 Speaker 146: follow-up question to Dr. Martel's comments

01:56:06 Speaker 147: on the four stages. Does this

01:56:08 Speaker 147: map represent stage one? So, what

01:56:11 Speaker 147: I understood to your like your

01:56:13 Speaker 147: desktop review of the maps, previous

01:56:15 Speaker 147: studies, and everything is that what

01:56:17 Speaker 147: this study is doing? And then

01:56:20 Speaker 148: theoretically, then any archaeological study we

01:56:22 Speaker 148: request of anybody would be a

01:56:25 Speaker 148: stage two or further. Ms. Martel,

01:56:26 Speaker 148: the exercise is very similar. but

01:56:28 Speaker 149: the the AMP mapping is really

01:56:31 Speaker 149: just a planning tool to help

01:56:33 Speaker 149: trigger the archaeological assessments. What a

01:56:34 Speaker 149: stage one, it'll say do a

01:56:37 Speaker 149: stage one archaeological assessment for sure,

01:56:38 Speaker 149: and usually followed by a stage

01:56:40 Speaker 149: two assessment. The stage one archaeological

01:56:41 Speaker 149: sense assessment is much more comprehensive

01:56:43 Speaker 149: to a specific land parcel. An

01:56:44 Speaker 149: AMP, we can only look at

01:56:46 Speaker 149: you know the the broad mapping

01:56:47 Speaker 147: layers. We can't kind of go

01:56:49 Speaker 147: detail into the land use history

01:56:52 Speaker 150: of a particular farm or a

01:56:57 Speaker 150: particular urban property or a particular

01:56:58 Speaker 150: sort of hydro corridor or something

01:57:00 Speaker 150: like that at an AMP level.

01:57:02 Speaker 150: So it it those those subsequent

01:57:04 Speaker 150: studies that will be called for

01:57:05 Speaker 150: will look at that more closely

01:57:07 Speaker 150: for any particular property. Okay, thank

01:57:08 Speaker 150: you. So with that, then we'll

01:57:10 Speaker 150: go to Councillor Mackey. Thank you,

01:57:12 Speaker 150: Warden. Good morning, County Council. If

01:57:14 Speaker 150: I'm reading the room properly, I

01:57:16 Speaker 150: think probably a lot of us

01:57:23 Speaker 151: are pretty hesitant about where this

01:57:26 Speaker 151: may go and the can of

01:57:27 Speaker 151: worms that we may open up

01:57:29 Speaker 151: with this. We've all got experiences.

01:57:32 Speaker 151: We've all had situations that just

01:57:33 Speaker 151: makes us shake our head. I

01:57:34 Speaker 21: can think about a minor variance

01:57:40 Speaker 152: on an applicant that wanted to

01:57:43 Speaker 152: raise his his total height of

01:57:45 Speaker 152: his growth. Height of the garage

01:57:48 Speaker 152: that was already existing had been

01:57:51 Speaker 152: built on a previous gravel pit,

01:57:54 Speaker 152: and there was a request for

01:57:55 Speaker 152: an archaeological study. Now we didn't

01:57:57 Speaker 152: follow through with it, but was

01:57:58 Speaker 152: in the condition of of the

01:57:59 Speaker 152: minor variance. But if there had

01:58:02 Speaker 152: been pushback, I'm not sure where

01:58:04 Speaker 152: that would have went. So that's

01:58:06 Speaker 152: why I'm weary. The only thing

01:58:07 Speaker 152: I've heard this morning that gives

01:58:11 Speaker 152: me a little bit of confidence,

01:58:12 Speaker 152: and just a minor bit, is

01:58:14 Speaker 152: our comments from the CAO that

01:58:16 Speaker 152: there may be exemptions that may

01:58:18 Speaker 152: help with the exemptions. but this

01:58:18 Speaker 152: is you know in the province

01:58:20 Speaker 152: we're trying to reduce red tape.

01:58:21 Speaker 152: I'm not sure that this is

01:58:23 Speaker 152: going in that direction. The you

01:58:25 Speaker 152: know the average assessment is going

01:58:27 Speaker 152: to cost someone just severing off

01:58:28 Speaker 152: a lot is going to cost

01:58:30 Speaker 152: them five to ten thousand dollars

01:58:32 Speaker 152: if we require that assessment. So

01:58:34 Speaker 152: I really hope there's lots of

01:58:35 Speaker 152: exemptions in our final version, or

01:58:37 Speaker 153: it's going to be difficult to

01:58:41 Speaker 153: support. Thank you. Okay, so that's

01:58:42 Speaker 154: extra commentary. As we said, all

01:58:44 Speaker 154: of this commentary is being duly

01:58:46 Speaker 154: noted by staff as we move

01:58:47 Speaker 154: through next steps. So I'll just

01:58:49 Speaker 154: look then to see if there

01:58:52 Speaker 154: are any others. We'll go to

01:58:56 Speaker 154: Councillor Pringle next. Yeah, thank you,

01:58:59 Speaker 154: Gordon. Again, I want to echo

01:59:01 Speaker 154: on Councillor Mackie and also on

01:59:05 Speaker 154: the CAO's information there too. there's

01:59:06 Speaker 154: a lot here, and us in

01:59:08 Speaker 154: Georgia and Blacks aren't blessed with

01:59:09 Speaker 154: acres and acres of land to

01:59:11 Speaker 154: develop. And we could run into

01:59:12 Speaker 154: a real issue if we're going

01:59:14 Speaker 154: to add another layer of complications

01:59:16 Speaker 154: to get something accomplished. I'm by

01:59:17 Speaker 154: far not ever against working with

01:59:19 Speaker 154: our partners. That's what it's all

01:59:20 Speaker 154: about, and we certainly look towards

01:59:22 Speaker 154: doing that. This report is for

01:59:24 Speaker 154: information. I'm going to take it

01:59:27 Speaker 154: as for information. The CAO gave

01:59:28 Speaker 154: me some good feedback there. There's

01:59:30 Speaker 155: a lot of stuff. we go

01:59:33 Speaker 155: through here. Yet we're a long

01:59:35 Speaker 155: way from being near the end.

01:59:35 Speaker 155: Ever on this is going to

01:59:38 Speaker 156: be a while yet. But yeah,

01:59:44 Speaker 156: as the councillor Mackey mentioned, there

01:59:45 Speaker 157: we don't need to add another

01:59:47 Speaker 157: layer of red tape to getting

01:59:49 Speaker 157: something accomplished in in what we

01:59:51 Speaker 158: got going on out there. And

01:59:56 Speaker 158: and it is offered for information,

01:59:59 Speaker 158: and it's a great report. There's

02:00:01 Speaker 158: a lot of information there. I

02:00:03 Speaker 158: just had a comment, Miss Buxton.

02:00:05 Speaker 158: Thank you, and I appreciate the

02:00:07 Speaker 158: opportunity just to to comment there

02:00:08 Speaker 158: as well. I guess what I

02:00:11 Speaker 158: would just highlight. and Holly did

02:00:13 Speaker 158: mention it in her presentation as

02:00:16 Speaker 158: well, is that the obligations and

02:00:19 Speaker 158: responsibilities around these assessments already exist.

02:00:21 Speaker 158: So, so that obligation currently exists.

02:00:23 Speaker 158: That is our our requirement

02:00:24 Speaker 158: to to administer and protect those

02:00:28 Speaker 158: resources. So, I think it's a

02:00:31 Speaker 158: very complex process, and we're trying

02:00:33 Speaker 158: to bring that into a

02:00:36 Speaker 158: more streamlined view so that it

02:00:38 Speaker 158: will be more nimble. We can

02:00:41 Speaker 158: support those stage ones with the

02:00:44 Speaker 158: good information that's been collected to

02:00:45 Speaker 158: make. that a smoother process. Trying

02:00:48 Speaker 158: to get this earlier in the

02:00:49 Speaker 158: process as well, so that we're

02:00:51 Speaker 158: not into the middle of a

02:00:53 Speaker 158: project when when we're dealing with

02:00:56 Speaker 158: these matters. But but I think

02:00:58 Speaker 158: that that point is probably the

02:00:59 Speaker 158: one that I would would lead

02:01:01 Speaker 158: at this juncture. Is just that

02:01:04 Speaker 158: we we are already responsible in

02:01:06 Speaker 158: this regard, and I'll just highlight.

02:01:08 Speaker 158: I see Scott there as well

02:01:09 Speaker 158: as perhaps he has some further

02:01:11 Speaker 158: comments there too. Director Taylor. I

02:01:13 Speaker 158: heard some stomachs rumbling, so thank

02:01:14 Speaker 158: you through you, Madam Warden. Yeah,

02:01:17 Speaker 158: just to build on on

02:01:19 Speaker 158: what Liz shared and and Dr.

02:01:22 Speaker 158: Martella shared, and the Cao, we're

02:01:23 Speaker 158: very very cognizant of of this

02:01:25 Speaker 158: provincial government and past provincial government's

02:01:28 Speaker 158: efforts to streamline the planning process.

02:01:30 Speaker 158: And Liz and and Dr. Martella

02:01:33 Speaker 158: both mentioned the provincial or the

02:01:36 Speaker 158: obligations already in this regard. The

02:01:37 Speaker 158: one further thing I'll note that

02:01:39 Speaker 158: Dr. Martella also shared is is

02:01:41 Speaker 158: that this actually is a recommendation.

02:01:43 Speaker 158: from the Provincial Planning Statement passed

02:01:45 Speaker 159: by the Conservative government that counties

02:01:51 Speaker 159: and municipalities undertake these management plans.

02:01:52 Speaker 160: The hope is through these management

02:01:56 Speaker 160: plans it will further streamline the

02:01:58 Speaker 161: planning and archaeological processes, and and

02:02:00 Speaker 161: if you like, demystify some of

02:02:03 Speaker 161: of the current challenges. No doubt,

02:02:10 Speaker 161: will there be requirements for archaeological

02:02:11 Speaker 162: assessments that that landowners don't love?

02:02:14 Speaker 163: Yes, but I think similar to

02:02:18 Speaker 163: the CAO's comments. with more information

02:02:19 Speaker 163: than staff can make more informed

02:02:21 Speaker 39: recommendations, and at the end of

02:02:24 Speaker 39: the day, help inform council. and

02:02:26 Speaker 39: And there are going to be

02:02:28 Speaker 39: those ones where maybe based on

02:02:31 Speaker 39: paper, yes, an archaeological assessment is

02:02:34 Speaker 39: is recommended, but based on practical

02:02:36 Speaker 39: application, if the site is already

02:02:37 Speaker 39: heavily disturbed or if they're not

02:02:40 Speaker 39: changing anything, maybe there will be

02:02:42 Speaker 39: those those opportunities for other exemption

02:02:43 Speaker 39: or saying, well, listen, we understand

02:02:45 Speaker 39: what the requirements say, but here's

02:02:47 Speaker 39: why it. may or may not

02:02:49 Speaker 39: be feasible in this regard. I

02:02:50 Speaker 39: will say, as part of this

02:02:53 Speaker 39: process, the other real benefit to

02:02:54 Speaker 39: county planning staff has been the

02:02:56 Speaker 39: the increased relationship building with our

02:02:58 Speaker 39: Indigenous communities and the Sauganashibway Nation.

02:03:00 Speaker 39: Just as they did for Bruce

02:03:01 Speaker 39: County's archaeological management plan, has been

02:03:03 Speaker 39: with us from day one, supporting

02:03:04 Speaker 39: us, offering in kind services to

02:03:05 Speaker 39: try to advance the the knowledge

02:03:07 Speaker 39: across the territory on this. So,

02:03:10 Speaker 39: if nothing else, you know. I

02:03:11 Speaker 39: think we forged a stronger bond

02:03:14 Speaker 39: with with some of our indigenous

02:03:15 Speaker 39: communities, and also Liz mentioned the

02:03:16 Speaker 164: the Black descendant communities. So there's

02:03:21 Speaker 164: been lots of positive takeaways there

02:03:22 Speaker 164: as well. Okay, thank you. We'll

02:03:23 Speaker 164: go to Councillor Dobrin. Thank you.

02:03:25 Speaker 39: And through you, is it possible

02:03:28 Speaker 39: to call it anything other than

02:03:30 Speaker 39: AMP? We already have an asset

02:03:34 Speaker 39: management plan. Now we're talking about

02:50:54 Speaker 39: AMP. I don't know. Do you

02:50:55 Speaker 39: have a comment on that, Ms.

02:50:56 Speaker 39: Martin? Okay, that's right. And I

02:50:57 Speaker 39: think spell check probably got you

02:50:59 Speaker 39: and converted it to AMO as

02:51:01 Speaker 39: well. That's right. Just because we

02:51:03 Speaker 39: use that terminology for the Association

02:51:06 Speaker 39: of Municipalities of Ontario. For those

02:51:08 Speaker 39: who are following along, okay. Any

02:51:10 Speaker 39: other further comments to receive this

02:51:12 Speaker 39: for information? Okay. I'm not seeing

02:51:15 Speaker 39: any further hands up, so I'll

02:51:18 Speaker 39: call the question. Then, all those

02:51:20 Speaker 39: in favour, and that motion is

02:51:22 Speaker 39: carried. Okay. Thank you, Ms. Buxton.

02:51:27 Speaker 39: Thank you to our consultants who

02:51:29 Speaker 39: have been with us online all

02:51:31 Speaker 39: this morning. We appreciate all of

02:51:34 Speaker 39: the efforts and the information you've

02:51:36 Speaker 39: been able to share. Thank you

02:51:38 Speaker 39: very much. Okay. So we do

02:51:41 Speaker 39: have more items for discussion. So,

02:51:45 Speaker 39: and lunch has arrived, but what?

02:51:47 Speaker 39: So, and we have there. It's

02:51:49 Speaker 39: too much of a gamble with

02:51:51 Speaker 39: the number of items that still

02:51:53 Speaker 39: requires some. Items that still require

02:51:56 Speaker 39: some discussion. So, what we will

02:51:58 Speaker 39: do at this point in time

02:51:59 Speaker 39: is we will call a break.

02:52:00 Speaker 39: We're going to request the presence

02:52:02 Speaker 39: of the committee, the whole members

02:52:04 Speaker 39: down in the stairwell for the

02:52:19 Speaker 39: arranged photo. We will have our

02:52:21 Speaker 39: lunch, and then, Madam Clerk, what

02:52:22 Speaker 39: time can we expect to be

02:52:24 Speaker 165: back? Okay. So, the request would

02:52:27 Speaker 165: be is that we're back at

02:52:30 Speaker 165: twelve forty-five to deal with the

02:52:31 Speaker 165: remaining items for discussion. So, with

02:52:34 Speaker 165: that, we'll turn off our

02:52:36 Speaker 165: mics, and everybody will see everyone

02:52:39 Speaker 165: downstairs. We'll see everyone downstairs. That's

02:52:41 Speaker 165: right. Yes. Yeah. Photo first before

02:52:45 Speaker 165: you spill. Thank you very much.

02:52:47 Speaker 165: So we have now concluded

02:52:50 Speaker 165: our break, and we are

02:52:52 Speaker 165: going to continue with our agenda.

02:52:54 Speaker 165: And we are on agenda seven

02:52:56 Speaker 165: B, item seven B. Item 7B.

02:52:57 Speaker 165: It's recommended that the report PDR

02:53:01 Speaker 165: CW 4925 be received, and that

02:53:02 Speaker 165: all written and oral submissions on

02:53:05 Speaker 165: official plan amendment number 21 were

02:53:09 Speaker 165: considered and helped to make an

02:53:11 Speaker 165: informed recommendation and decision. And that

02:53:13 Speaker 165: proposed county official plan amendment number

02:53:19 Speaker 165: 21 on lands legally described as

02:53:21 Speaker 165: part of lot 75 concession B,

02:53:23 Speaker 165: being part one reference plan 17R531,

02:53:24 Speaker 165: geographic township of Norman B. Norman

02:53:27 Speaker 165: B. Now in the municipality of

02:53:30 Speaker 165: West Grey, be approved to redesignate

02:53:31 Speaker 165: the lands from rural with exceptions

02:53:33 Speaker 165: and hazard lands to space extensive

02:53:35 Speaker 165: industrial and commercial with site specific

02:53:40 Speaker 165: exceptions, rural and hazard lands, and

02:53:41 Speaker 165: that a bylaw to adopt the

02:53:46 Speaker 165: official the county official plan amendment

02:53:48 Speaker 165: be prepared for consideration by county

02:53:51 Speaker 165: council. May I ask for a

02:53:52 Speaker 165: mover? It's moved by Councillor Dickert,

02:53:54 Speaker 165: and seconded by Councillor Kevany. So.

02:53:58 Speaker 165: Mr. Kevany, so it's now on

02:54:01 Speaker 165: the floor for discussions. So, with

02:54:03 Speaker 165: that, I would like to look

02:54:06 Speaker 165: to our planner, Mr. McMurty, who

02:54:07 Speaker 165: is going to come forward with

02:54:09 Speaker 165: the presentation. Good afternoon, everyone. My

02:54:14 Speaker 165: name is Dave McMurty, and I'm

02:54:17 Speaker 165: the county planner assigned to this

02:54:19 Speaker 165: file, OP Twenty One, Martin. Um.

02:54:21 Speaker 165: So the proposed county official plan

02:54:23 Speaker 165: amendment would redesignate the lands from

02:54:25 Speaker 165: rural with exceptions, rural and

02:54:26 Speaker 165: hazard lands, to space extensive industrial

02:54:29 Speaker 165: and commercial with exceptions, rural and

02:54:31 Speaker 165: hazard lands, and this would permit

02:54:35 Speaker 165: an expanded outdoor storage area of

02:54:39 Speaker 165: 2,283 square metres for the existing

02:54:41 Speaker 165: feed storage manufacturing business on the

02:54:43 Speaker 165: property. Pre-submission consultation between the consultant,

02:54:46 Speaker 165: the municipality, and the county identified

02:54:47 Speaker 165: the submission requirements. and the required

02:54:50 Speaker 165: reports were submitted in support of

02:54:52 Speaker 165: the application. A zoning bylaw amendment

02:54:56 Speaker 165: was also required by the municipality

02:54:57 Speaker 165: of West Grey, and has since

02:54:58 Speaker 165: been approved, subject to OP-21 being

02:55:03 Speaker 165: approved. A joint public meeting was

02:55:05 Speaker 165: held to discuss both the OPA

02:55:10 Speaker 165: and the ZBA on February 18,

02:55:12 Speaker 165: 2025. The subject property is located

02:55:15 Speaker 165: on Highway 89, just west of

02:55:16 Speaker 165: the intersection of. Gray Road Six

02:55:19 Speaker 165: and Highway 89, and is about

02:55:22 Speaker 165: two kilometres west of Mount Forest.

02:55:23 Speaker 165: The subject property is located within

02:55:27 Speaker 165: the rural designation and contains an

02:55:29 Speaker 165: existing on-farm diversified use, which predates

02:55:31 Speaker 165: the county's current on-farm diversified use

02:55:33 Speaker 165: policies. the The on-farm diversified use

02:55:34 Speaker 165: was permitted through OPA 138. The

02:55:39 Speaker 165: subject property is approximately 12.2 hectares

02:55:41 Speaker 165: in size and contains a single

02:55:44 Speaker 165: residential dwelling and on-farm diversified. Residential

02:55:46 Speaker 165: dwelling and on for the specified

02:55:51 Speaker 165: use and a barn, and is

02:55:52 Speaker 165: primarily used for farming purposes. The

02:55:54 Speaker 165: subject property is surrounded by low-density

02:55:56 Speaker 165: rural residential lands and active farmland

02:55:57 Speaker 165: to the south and east, low-density

02:56:00 Speaker 165: rural residential and forest lands to

02:56:04 Speaker 165: the west, and active farmland to

02:56:06 Speaker 165: the south, or to the north

02:56:07 Speaker 165: side. OPA 21 will amend Section

02:56:09 Speaker 165: 5.74 of the county's official plan

02:56:11 Speaker 165: with a site-specific amendment and redesignate

02:56:13 Speaker 165: a. portion of the lands from

02:56:14 Speaker 165: rural with exceptions, rural and hazard

02:56:15 Speaker 165: lands to space extensive industrial and

02:56:21 Speaker 165: commercial with exceptions, rural and hazard

02:56:22 Speaker 165: lands to permit an outdoor storage

02:56:24 Speaker 165: area that would otherwise exceed the

02:56:27 Speaker 165: county's official plan on-farm arid use

02:56:29 Speaker 165: size policies. As mentioned previously, in

02:56:31 Speaker 165: 2017, OPA 148 was approved and

02:56:34 Speaker 165: permitted a metal fabrication shop. This

02:56:36 Speaker 165: was done prior to the county's

02:56:38 Speaker 165: current on-farm arid use policies. I

02:56:41 Speaker 165: would also note that OPA 21

02:56:43 Speaker 165: would remove and replace OPA 138.

02:56:45 Speaker 165: The proposed OPA would not change

02:56:47 Speaker 165: the use of the lands or

02:56:50 Speaker 165: expand the existing 557.4 square metre

02:56:51 Speaker 165: shop. The outdoor storage space will

02:56:52 Speaker 165: increase however from 442.6 square metres

02:56:59 Speaker 165: to 2,283 square metres. This larger

02:57:01 Speaker 165: storage space will expand or extend

02:57:02 Speaker 165: towards the rear of the commercial

02:57:06 Speaker 165: area, away from the highway and

02:57:09 Speaker 165: neighbouring properties. The remaining 11.63 hectares

02:57:11 Speaker 165: of the property would continue to

02:57:13 Speaker 165: be used for agricultural purposes. The

02:57:16 Speaker 165: applicant is also proposing to alter

02:57:18 Speaker 165: a farm drainage channel to redesignate

02:57:20 Speaker 165: a portion of the hazard lands

02:57:23 Speaker 165: on the property, to which positive

02:57:29 Speaker 165: comments have been received by SBCA.

02:57:30 Speaker 165: The zoning bylaw amendment would rezone

02:57:33 Speaker 165: the business lands from rural, rural

02:57:34 Speaker 165: with exception, and natural environment to

02:57:36 Speaker 165: rural industrial. with exceptions. Here is

02:57:37 Speaker 165: a map of the portion of

02:57:39 Speaker 165: the property to be redesignated. I

02:57:41 Speaker 165: would note that the schedule included

02:57:43 Speaker 165: in the draft bylaw and in

02:57:45 Speaker 165: this presentation will be corrected before

02:57:48 Speaker 165: the bylaw appears before council. The

02:57:50 Speaker 165: portions of the hazard land that

02:57:52 Speaker 165: would be redesignated are inverse of

02:57:54 Speaker 165: what is shown on the schedule,

02:57:57 Speaker 165: as the hazard lands not within

02:57:59 Speaker 165: the red outline would be redesignated

02:58:03 Speaker 165: to rural, and the lands or

02:58:05 Speaker 165: the hazard lands within the red

02:58:07 Speaker 165: outline would remain as hazard lands.

02:58:11 Speaker 165: The municipality of West Grey, county

02:58:12 Speaker 165: of Wellington, and the historic Sogee

02:58:14 Speaker 165: Mati provided comments indicating no concerns.

02:58:16 Speaker 166: The Sogee Njibway Nation had required

02:58:19 Speaker 165: an archaeological assessment be completed, to

02:58:21 Speaker 165: which a stage one and a

02:58:23 Speaker 165: stage two assessment was completed

02:58:25 Speaker 165: to the satisfaction of Sogee

02:58:29 Speaker 165: Njibway Nation and found no archaeological

02:58:31 Speaker 165: resources on the property. The Ministry

02:58:34 Speaker 165: of Transportation provided comments focusing on.

02:58:36 Speaker 165: the permits required to modify the

02:58:38 Speaker 165: entrance and other requirements such as

02:58:40 Speaker 165: setbacks from the highway, and no

02:58:43 Speaker 165: comments were received from members of

02:58:45 Speaker 165: the public or during the public

02:58:46 Speaker 165: meeting. The 2024 PPS provides direction

02:58:48 Speaker 165: on land uses and economic growth

02:58:50 Speaker 165: within rural areas and rural land

02:58:52 Speaker 165: within municipalities. The PPS does permit

02:58:54 Speaker 165: a variety of OFDs within rural

02:58:55 Speaker 167: areas, however, the OFDs must be

02:58:59 Speaker 167: limited. However, the OFDUs must be

02:59:01 Speaker 167: limited in scale to the size

02:59:03 Speaker 167: requirements set out by the municipality.

02:59:04 Speaker 167: As said previously, the existing OFDU

02:59:06 Speaker 167: exceeds these size requirements as permitted

02:59:08 Speaker 165: before the county's official, Boyer County's

02:59:11 Speaker 165: OFDU size policies existed. While portions

02:59:13 Speaker 165: of the land would be redesignated

02:59:14 Speaker 165: as space extensive, industrial and commercial,

02:59:16 Speaker 165: the use of the property would

02:59:18 Speaker 165: not change, nor would the size

02:59:22 Speaker 165: of the shop building on the

02:59:24 Speaker 165: site. The intensity of the use

02:59:26 Speaker 165: would generally remain consistent. with the

02:59:28 Speaker 165: requirements of the OFT use, except

02:59:29 Speaker 165: that a large area outdoor storage

02:59:30 Speaker 165: area is required. As for the

02:59:33 Speaker 165: county official plan, the subject lands

02:59:35 Speaker 165: are designated as rural, rural with

02:59:37 Speaker 165: exceptions, and hazard land on Schedule

02:59:40 Speaker 165: A. Schedule B indicates that the

02:59:42 Speaker 165: subject lands contain aggregate resource area.

02:59:45 Speaker 165: As the proposal will only extend

02:59:47 Speaker 165: an outdoor storage area, and no

02:59:50 Speaker 165: new permanent structures or sensitive receptors

02:59:53 Speaker 165: will be created. County staff don't

02:59:57 Speaker 165: don't anticipate that any future extraction

02:59:58 Speaker 165: of aggregate material on the Cedar

02:59:59 Speaker 165: Flats or surrounding lands would be

03:00:03 Speaker 165: significantly impacted by the proposed use.

03:00:06 Speaker 165: From an ecological perspective, the property

03:00:08 Speaker 165: contains or is adjacent to a

03:00:11 Speaker 165: stream, river, significant woodland, significant valley

03:00:12 Speaker 165: land, significant wildlife habitat, potential habitat

03:00:15 Speaker 165: for threatened and endangered species, and

03:00:16 Speaker 165: fish habitat. County planning ecology staff

03:00:17 Speaker 165: determined that an environmental impact study

03:00:19 Speaker 165: would not be required. That study

03:00:21 Speaker 165: would not be required, as the

03:00:22 Speaker 165: proposed development would be located on

03:00:26 Speaker 165: previously disturbed and cleared lands. Lastly,

03:00:27 Speaker 165: the subject lands are not covered

03:00:29 Speaker 165: by the West Grey Fisher Plan,

03:00:30 Speaker 165: which only covers Durham and Newstead.

03:00:36 Speaker 165: Based on all of this, the

03:00:37 Speaker 165: proposed development is generally consistent with

03:00:39 Speaker 165: the PPS and generally conforms to

03:00:43 Speaker 165: the goals and objectives of the

03:00:45 Speaker 165: County Fisher Plan. As stated previously,

03:00:47 Speaker 165: County Planning Staff believe that proposed

03:00:50 Speaker 165: development is better is better suited

03:00:51 Speaker 165: as a space extensive use rather

03:00:53 Speaker 165: than a site. Use rather than

03:00:54 Speaker 165: a site-specific on-farm diverse bed use

03:00:56 Speaker 165: for a variety of context-specific reasons.

03:00:58 Speaker 165: To start, the OFDU is is

03:01:01 Speaker 165: existing, and if it were to

03:01:02 Speaker 165: be proposed today, it would not

03:01:04 Speaker 165: be permitted as it would not

03:01:06 Speaker 165: meet the county's OFD size requirements.

03:01:08 Speaker 165: If the proposed development is approved,

03:01:10 Speaker 165: it would occupy approximately four point

03:01:12 Speaker 165: nine percent of the subject property.

03:01:14 Speaker 165: This would be more than double

03:01:16 Speaker 165: the permitted size of a new

03:01:18 Speaker 165: OFD on the property. The last

03:01:20 Speaker 165: reason is that the proposed development

03:01:21 Speaker 168: meets the criteria listed in the

03:01:25 Speaker 168: county official plan for establishing new

03:01:26 Speaker 168: spaces of uses. The criteria includes

03:01:27 Speaker 168: that uses require an accessible site,

03:01:28 Speaker 168: service demand from highway traffic, requires

03:01:32 Speaker 168: a large outdoor storage area, parking

03:01:33 Speaker 168: area, or a large single volume,

03:01:36 Speaker 60: a volume single purpose building, and

03:01:39 Speaker 60: do to the storage area or

03:01:40 Speaker 60: building volume requirements would not be

03:01:42 Speaker 60: feasible within a settlement area. The

03:01:45 Speaker 60: proposed use of The proposed use

03:01:48 Speaker 60: would be locum Highway 89, which

03:01:50 Speaker 60: would provide easy access to the

03:01:51 Speaker 60: site, easily serve highway traffic, and

03:01:52 Speaker 60: provide a direct truck route. It

03:01:54 Speaker 60: would also require a larger outdoor

03:01:56 Speaker 60: storage area, and that if it

03:01:58 Speaker 60: were to be located in a

03:01:59 Speaker 60: settlement area, it would occupy a

03:02:01 Speaker 60: large portion of that settlement area

03:02:03 Speaker 60: that may be better suited for

03:02:05 Speaker 60: other forms of development. It is

03:02:06 Speaker 60: also noted that the entire use

03:02:09 Speaker 60: would be dry in nature and

03:02:11 Speaker 60: would not require access to municipal

03:02:15 Speaker 60: water and sewer services. So staff

03:02:17 Speaker 169: are recommending that the report PDR

03:02:22 Speaker 169: CW forty nine twenty five be

03:02:24 Speaker 165: received, that all written and oral

03:02:29 Speaker 165: submissions on official plan amendment number

03:02:32 Speaker 165: twenty one were considered and helped

03:02:33 Speaker 165: make an informed recommendation and decision,

03:02:36 Speaker 165: and that proposed county official plan

03:02:40 Speaker 165: amendment number twenty one on land

03:02:44 Speaker 165: legally described as part of lot

03:02:47 Speaker 165: seventy five concession B being part

03:02:49 Speaker 165: one reference plan one seven R

03:02:52 Speaker 165: five three. one, the geographic township

03:02:58 Speaker 165: of Norman be now in the

03:02:59 Speaker 165: municipality of Westray be approved to

03:03:01 Speaker 165: redesignate the lands from rural with

03:03:02 Speaker 165: exceptions, and hazard lands to space

03:03:05 Speaker 165: extensive industrial and commercial with site

03:03:08 Speaker 165: specific exceptions rural and hazard

03:03:12 Speaker 165: lands, and a bylaw to adopt

03:03:15 Speaker 165: the county official plan amendment be

03:03:17 Speaker 170: prepared for consideration by county council,

03:03:23 Speaker 171: that includes my presentation and thank

03:03:26 Speaker 171: you. I'm glad to take any

03:03:28 Speaker 60: questions if there are. Okay, thank

03:03:32 Speaker 60: you very much for those details.

03:03:34 Speaker 60: So we'll put it out to

03:03:34 Speaker 60: committee the whole member. To committee

03:03:36 Speaker 60: the whole members for questions. We'll

03:03:37 Speaker 60: begin with Councillor Nielsen. Thank you

03:03:39 Speaker 60: very much, Warden. One question popped

03:03:41 Speaker 60: in my head after our previous

03:03:42 Speaker 60: conversation today. The official plan amendment

03:03:43 Speaker 60: goes in. The official plan states

03:03:45 Speaker 60: specific exemptions, but then the property

03:03:47 Speaker 60: gets zoned. Zoning allows for you

03:03:48 Speaker 60: can go for building permits provided

03:03:50 Speaker 172: it meets the zoning, and you

03:03:53 Speaker 172: don't have to go for plan

03:03:55 Speaker 172: amendment or anything like that. Does

03:03:58 Speaker 172: the zone change? The change in

03:04:01 Speaker 172: the zone allow for more? than

03:04:03 Speaker 172: what they're applying for today. In

03:04:05 Speaker 173: other words, in the future, could

03:04:10 Speaker 173: they apply for an expansion

03:04:12 Speaker 173: on the shop because the zoning

03:04:14 Speaker 173: has changed to allow for that

03:04:17 Speaker 173: without the need to go back

03:04:20 Speaker 173: through the planning files? Just kind

03:04:24 Speaker 173: of wondering the further implications. My

03:04:28 Speaker 173: apologies of this type of zone

03:04:30 Speaker 173: on the property because once it's

03:04:32 Speaker 173: zoned, it's zoned forever. That's a

03:04:33 Speaker 173: good question for you to share.

03:04:36 Speaker 173: or warden, I'd have to look

03:04:41 Speaker 173: into that more. I'm not completely

03:04:44 Speaker 173: familiar with the requirements set out

03:04:46 Speaker 173: in the zoning bylaw, but in

03:04:52 Speaker 174: terms of the redesignated as space

03:04:54 Speaker 173: extensive use, those site specific exceptions

03:04:57 Speaker 173: for it would limit the permitted

03:05:01 Speaker 173: uses to ones that are generally

03:05:04 Speaker 173: permitted as on front diversified uses,

03:05:07 Speaker 173: and like I said, I'd have

03:05:15 Speaker 173: to look through the zoning bylaw

03:05:16 Speaker 175: that was approved and see if

03:05:21 Speaker 175: there's an exact size requirement listed

03:05:22 Speaker 175: in there. But as I said,

03:05:24 Speaker 175: it also would exceed the currently

03:05:26 Speaker 176: permitted building size requirements, and so

03:05:30 Speaker 177: unless it's specifically stated in that

03:05:33 Speaker 177: zoning bylaw, they would then have

03:05:36 Speaker 177: to follow up. Thank you, Warden,

03:05:39 Speaker 177: and my apologies, everybody. I'm thinking,

03:05:41 Speaker 177: like, if they were to do

03:05:45 Speaker 177: a storage facility, so right now

03:05:47 Speaker 177: it's open storage, but they want

03:05:49 Speaker 177: to build a storage facility, and

03:05:51 Speaker 177: then that ends up getting converted

03:05:53 Speaker 177: and changed. I'm just wondering that

03:05:55 Speaker 177: implication. So, I appreciate the the

03:05:58 Speaker 177: fact that this is a question

03:06:01 Speaker 177: that was sprung on you because

03:06:02 Speaker 177: I didn't think about it until

03:06:05 Speaker 177: earlier conversation about how zoning and

03:06:08 Speaker 177: building permits and such may affect

03:06:09 Speaker 177: other documents that are needed. But

03:06:11 Speaker 177: thank you very much for the

03:06:14 Speaker 177: response. Okay, I'm looking around the

03:06:16 Speaker 177: chamber then to see if there

03:06:19 Speaker 177: are other questions, and we'll go

03:06:21 Speaker 177: to Councillor Dobrin. Thank you, Warden,

03:06:23 Speaker 177: and through you, thank you for

03:06:25 Speaker 177: the very thorough report. Not very

03:06:27 Speaker 177: clear on special space extensive industrial

03:06:29 Speaker 177: and commercial designations. It's the first

03:06:32 Speaker 177: time I've heard of it, but

03:06:34 Speaker 177: I'm always eager to learn. four

03:06:37 Speaker 177: point nine percent being significantly greater

03:06:38 Speaker 177: than the two percent allowed, and

03:06:41 Speaker 177: another, you know, is this a

03:06:44 Speaker 177: get around the provincial policy statement

03:06:46 Speaker 177: that allows up to two percent

03:06:48 Speaker 177: for on farm diversified uses? And

03:06:52 Speaker 177: what we're seeing is requests for

03:06:53 Speaker 177: you know expansion beyond that, you

03:06:55 Speaker 177: know, called you know expansion

03:06:58 Speaker 177: creep. I'm I have concerns. To

03:07:00 Speaker 177: Councillor Nielsen's point, is what does

03:07:01 Speaker 177: this open up down the road

03:07:04 Speaker 177: for it or other on farm

03:07:05 Speaker 177: diversified uses? I'm not supportive of

03:07:07 Speaker 177: it on as on its merits

03:07:09 Speaker 177: right now because it's so significant.

03:07:11 Speaker 177: Okay, it looks like Director Taylor

03:07:13 Speaker 177: is going. to respond. Yeah, thank

03:07:15 Speaker 177: you for your question, Councillor Bruni.

03:07:18 Speaker 177: Through you, Madam Warden, and Derek,

03:07:20 Speaker 178: feel free to tag in at

03:07:22 Speaker 178: the end here. Generally speaking, the

03:07:24 Speaker 177: the on-farm diversified use policies in

03:07:27 Speaker 177: in the provincial planning statement refer

03:07:29 Speaker 177: specifically or pertain specifically to prime

03:07:30 Speaker 177: agricultural areas, and and the intent

03:07:33 Speaker 177: there is to to limit the

03:07:35 Speaker 177: amount of sort of non-farm development

03:07:37 Speaker 177: on. those prime agricultural lands. In

03:07:39 Speaker 177: this case, the county has has

03:07:41 Speaker 177: chosen to also apply those same

03:07:41 Speaker 177: policies to our our rural designated

03:07:42 Speaker 179: lands. So these lands are designated

03:07:47 Speaker 86: rural. Currently, they're not. They're not

03:07:50 Speaker 86: prime ag. In in the hopes

03:07:51 Speaker 86: of allowing for sort of a

03:07:55 Speaker 86: more diversified rural economy. That said,

03:07:56 Speaker 86: the provincial planning statement gives broader

03:07:57 Speaker 86: permissions for rural lands to go

03:07:59 Speaker 86: above and beyond those strict requirements

03:08:01 Speaker 86: of the on-farm diversified uses that

03:08:02 Speaker 86: are. permitted in the prime agricultural

03:08:05 Speaker 180: areas. So in this case, county

03:08:09 Speaker 86: staff chatted about it, and we

03:08:12 Speaker 86: chatted with municipal staff and and

03:08:19 Speaker 86: the proponent as well to look

03:08:21 Speaker 86: at what the best fit here.

03:08:23 Speaker 86: We could we could look at

03:08:25 Speaker 86: a on farm diversified use with

03:08:26 Speaker 86: exceptions type designation and zoning, or

03:08:28 Speaker 86: we could look at a space

03:08:30 Speaker 86: extensive. And space extensive is a

03:08:33 Speaker 86: is a designation that's been used

03:08:35 Speaker 86: across the county, particularly where we.

03:08:53 Speaker 86: had uses across the countryside that

03:08:55 Speaker 181: were dry in nature, as Derek

03:08:57 Speaker 181: had said, and do require larger

03:08:59 Speaker 181: areas, often for for outdoor storage.

03:09:01 Speaker 181: So, you know, a great example

03:09:02 Speaker 181: would be a business that's that's

03:09:03 Speaker 182: dealing in landscaping supplies, flagstones, everything

03:09:09 Speaker 182: else like that. They need a

03:09:11 Speaker 182: ton of space just to store

03:09:14 Speaker 183: all those materials, but they're not

03:09:16 Speaker 183: necessarily a use that needs to

03:09:19 Speaker 183: be on water and sewer, and

03:09:21 Speaker 183: and and not necessarily a use

03:09:25 Speaker 183: that needs to be in a

03:09:27 Speaker 183: traditional business park, if you if

03:09:29 Speaker 183: you like, and so this this

03:09:30 Speaker 183: isn't certainly quite as space extensive

03:09:32 Speaker 183: as that. But in staff's opinion,

03:09:35 Speaker 183: we saw this as as befitting

03:09:37 Speaker 183: a space extensive designation, probably more

03:09:39 Speaker 183: so than the on farm diversified

03:09:41 Speaker 183: use, based on the the

03:09:44 Speaker 184: need for the outdoor storage. But

03:09:49 Speaker 184: we're also cognizant of the fact

03:09:51 Speaker 183: that that this official plan amendment

03:09:53 Speaker 183: and zoning, if approved, weren't going

03:09:57 Speaker 183: to take any further land out

03:09:59 Speaker 183: of out of production. from an

03:10:02 Speaker 183: agricultural perspective. So I don't know,

03:10:03 Speaker 183: Derek, if you have anything further

03:10:06 Speaker 183: to add, but that's just a

03:10:10 Speaker 183: little bit of context. Okay. Anything

03:10:11 Speaker 183: further? No. Okay. So with that,

03:10:15 Speaker 183: I'll look around for any other

03:10:17 Speaker 183: hands. Not seeing any. Okay. So

03:10:19 Speaker 183: I think we've asked all of

03:10:20 Speaker 183: the questions. Thank you very much

03:10:22 Speaker 183: for that information in the presentation

03:10:23 Speaker 183: as well as your explanations. And

03:10:25 Speaker 183: with that, I'll call the question.

03:10:26 Speaker 183: All those in favour? And that

03:10:28 Speaker 183: motion is carried. Thank you. Okay,

03:10:31 Speaker 183: so moving to item seven C,

03:10:33 Speaker 183: it's recommended that report CAOR CW

03:10:34 Speaker 183: twenty two twenty five the climate

03:10:37 Speaker 183: change initiatives update be received for

03:10:40 Speaker 183: information. May ask for a mover

03:10:41 Speaker 183: and a seconder. We've got it

03:10:43 Speaker 183: moved by Councillor McKay, seconded by

03:10:46 Speaker 185: Councillor Pringle. It's now on the

03:10:50 Speaker 185: floor for discussion. Welcome, Miss Swanson.

03:10:52 Speaker 185: She is going to come and

03:10:54 Speaker 185: introduce it along. with the presentation.

03:10:55 Speaker 185: Thank you, and good afternoon, members

03:10:57 Speaker 185: of council. So, it's my pleasure

03:10:59 Speaker 183: today to provide you with an

03:11:01 Speaker 183: update on the work that has

03:11:04 Speaker 183: happened in the last year

03:11:07 Speaker 183: or so on our going green

03:11:08 Speaker 183: and gray climate. Action Plan. Going

03:11:13 Speaker 183: Green and Gray is the plan

03:11:14 Speaker 183: that was approved in 2022, which

03:11:16 Speaker 183: lays out 21 community actions and

03:11:18 Speaker 183: 13 corporate actions to set Gray

03:11:20 Speaker 183: County on the path for net

03:11:23 Speaker 183: zero by 2050, while realizing community

03:11:25 Speaker 183: benefits to our economy, social well-being,

03:11:27 Speaker 183: and our natural environment. I want

03:11:29 Speaker 183: to stress that the report in

03:11:31 Speaker 183: front of you today is not

03:11:33 Speaker 183: a department. Is not a departmental

03:11:34 Speaker 183: annual report. It's not even a

03:11:36 Speaker 183: great county report. It's really a

03:11:37 Speaker 183: picture of the progress that's being

03:11:41 Speaker 183: achieved across our community through collabouration,

03:11:42 Speaker 183: and really working together towards these

03:11:50 Speaker 183: goals. In front of you are

03:11:53 Speaker 183: two documents. One is the staff

03:11:54 Speaker 183: report, and one is a sort

03:11:57 Speaker 183: of visual snapshot. Both try to

03:11:58 Speaker 183: provide a comprehensive update on implementation

03:12:00 Speaker 183: progress. Both the activities that have

03:12:03 Speaker 183: been undertaken by Gray County as

03:12:06 Speaker 183: an organisation, our member municipalities, and

03:12:08 Speaker 183: our community partners. Within the staff

03:12:10 Speaker 183: report, there is a detailed action

03:12:17 Speaker 183: level implementation table. And for our

03:12:19 Speaker 183: public reporting this year, we took

03:12:21 Speaker 03: a digital first strategy. So you

03:12:31 Speaker 03: may remember last year there was

03:12:32 Speaker 03: a slightly longer document that came

03:12:33 Speaker 03: to you that outlined what we

03:12:34 Speaker 03: had achieved. What we've done this

03:12:35 Speaker 03: year is produced the pamphlet in

03:12:37 Speaker 183: front of you, which is really

03:12:40 Speaker 183: intended to. invite our our residents

03:12:43 Speaker 183: and stakeholders to visit our web

03:12:46 Speaker 183: page, which I will show you

03:12:47 Speaker 183: briefly in a moment. One of

03:12:49 Speaker 183: the advantages of this is that

03:12:50 Speaker 183: it's a shorter printed document and

03:12:52 Speaker 183: allows us to provide more detailed,

03:12:54 Speaker 183: layered information on the web page.

03:12:56 Speaker 183: So we wanted to really, at

03:12:57 Speaker 183: this point, a few years into

03:13:00 Speaker 183: implementing the plan, take stock of

03:13:02 Speaker 183: what we've managed to achieve. So

03:13:03 Speaker 183: in the staff report, you do

03:13:05 Speaker 183: see. an action by action progress

03:13:08 Speaker 183: update. So across all 21 community

03:13:09 Speaker 183: actions and all 13 corporate actions,

03:13:11 Speaker 183: identifying partners that we're working with

03:13:13 Speaker 183: and progress that has been accomplished.

03:13:16 Speaker 183: In the snapshot that each of

03:13:19 Speaker 183: you have in front of you,

03:13:21 Speaker 183: as I mentioned, we went for

03:13:22 Speaker 183: this digital first strategy for a

03:13:25 Speaker 183: number of reasons. By producing a

03:13:28 Speaker 183: shorter PDF document, which is also

03:13:30 Speaker 183: available on our website, and instead

03:13:31 Speaker 183: providing Site and instead providing the

03:13:33 Speaker 183: majority of the information on the

03:13:35 Speaker 183: web page. It's a more searchable

03:13:39 Speaker 183: format. It's also more accessible, and

03:13:41 Speaker 183: it also allows us to keep

03:13:43 Speaker 183: that information evergreen. So as additional

03:13:45 Speaker 183: work happens, we can add it

03:13:47 Speaker 183: to the website in a layered

03:13:49 Speaker 183: fashion. I'm going to test my

03:13:52 Speaker 183: technological prowess here. So within the

03:13:55 Speaker 183: web page, you have a link

03:13:57 Speaker 183: to the same PDF document that

03:13:58 Speaker 183: you have print copies of. and

03:14:01 Speaker 183: then, for example, here where we're

03:14:02 Speaker 183: talking about our corporate actions, you

03:14:04 Speaker 183: have hyperlinks to more information about

03:14:07 Speaker 183: the work that we're doing, and

03:14:09 Speaker 186: then across the themes of the

03:14:13 Speaker 186: Going Green and Plan Gray plan,

03:14:14 Speaker 183: there are drop-down accordions, again providing

03:14:18 Speaker 183: links and photos beyond what we

03:14:20 Speaker 183: would be able to capture in

03:14:22 Speaker 183: a printed or PDF document. So

03:14:23 Speaker 183: now that I've told you a

03:14:26 Speaker 183: little bit about how we're telling

03:14:27 Speaker 183: the story, I'll tell you a

03:14:29 Speaker 183: little bit about some of the

03:14:32 Speaker 183: great work that we've been able

03:14:34 Speaker 183: to accomplish again, community and corporate

03:14:36 Speaker 183: wide. So one is funding success.

03:14:38 Speaker 183: So collectively across Gray County organisation,

03:14:40 Speaker 183: we have been able to secure

03:14:42 Speaker 183: twelve point nine million dollars in

03:14:44 Speaker 183: external funding. I need to be

03:14:46 Speaker 183: very clear that the vast majority

03:14:48 Speaker 183: of that. nine point five million

03:14:49 Speaker 183: is for a regional transit network

03:14:51 Speaker 183: that is not directly the work

03:14:53 Speaker 183: of the climate action team, but

03:14:56 Speaker 183: certainly having low carbon mobility options

03:14:57 Speaker 183: for our residents is an important

03:14:58 Speaker 183: part of the going green and

03:15:01 Speaker 183: gray plan. More directly within the

03:15:03 Speaker 183: purview of the climate initiatives team,

03:15:05 Speaker 183: we are, as a regional

03:15:12 Speaker 183: partnership, able to secure two point

03:15:15 Speaker 183: five million dollars in funding for

03:15:16 Speaker 183: public electric vehicle chargers, nearly forty

03:15:18 Speaker 183: four hundred and fifty thousand dollars

03:15:20 Speaker 183: in support. of the Future Ready

03:15:22 Speaker 183: Green Development Programme, one hundred and

03:15:24 Speaker 183: thirty thousand to support climate adaptation,

03:15:27 Speaker 183: ninety thousand to make Gray County

03:15:29 Speaker 183: buildings more efficient. Those are just

03:15:32 Speaker 183: a few of the highlights, and

03:15:35 Speaker 183: there is a detailed list of

03:15:37 Speaker 183: the funding within the staff report.

03:15:41 Speaker 183: As I mentioned, this really is

03:15:45 Speaker 183: a community plan. We work with

03:15:47 Speaker 183: over forty community partners in terms

03:15:50 Speaker 183: of advancing these objectives. They range

03:15:52 Speaker 183: from conservation authorities to nonprofits to

03:15:54 Speaker 183: high. To nonprofits, to higher education,

03:15:56 Speaker 183: to the health sector, to indigenous

03:15:59 Speaker 183: organisations. So we really are trying,

03:16:01 Speaker 183: as a county, to act as

03:16:03 Speaker 183: a catalyst and an enabler

03:16:05 Speaker 183: as much as an action taker.

03:16:08 Speaker 183: And of course, our most important

03:16:10 Speaker 183: partners are our local and regional

03:16:13 Speaker 183: municipalities, all of whom are profiled

03:16:15 Speaker 183: in these documents and essential elements

03:16:17 Speaker 183: of advancing this work. In terms

03:16:20 Speaker 183: of leading by example, so activities

03:16:22 Speaker 183: Gray County is undertaking ourselves, we.

03:16:24 Speaker 183: Selves, we are striving for any

03:16:27 Speaker 183: new construction to build to a

03:16:28 Speaker 183: net zero ready standard. So that

03:16:32 Speaker 183: includes our Rockwood Terrace long term

03:16:35 Speaker 183: care home redevelopment project, as well

03:16:38 Speaker 183: as a number of our paramedic

03:16:40 Speaker 183: bases. We've received federal funding to

03:16:42 Speaker 183: install twenty EV fleet chargers for

03:16:45 Speaker 183: our own vehicles, and we'll be

03:16:48 Speaker 183: piloting two light duty electric vehicles

03:16:50 Speaker 183: this year. We were able to

03:16:51 Speaker 183: engage ten departments internally in our

03:16:52 Speaker 183: first ever workplace sustainability challenge, and

03:16:57 Speaker 183: have also, as is illustrated in

03:16:59 Speaker 183: the the picture. As illustrated in

03:17:02 Speaker 183: the picture on the slide, in

03:17:05 Speaker 183: the last year, had four work

03:17:07 Speaker 183: bees with over forty volunteers to

03:17:10 Speaker 183: continue the naturalization of the property

03:17:12 Speaker 183: that we're meeting on today. We

03:17:15 Speaker 183: also continue, as I said, in

03:17:17 Speaker 183: an effort to be an enabler

03:17:19 Speaker 183: to meet regularly with our nine

03:17:22 Speaker 183: member municipalities and ten public sector

03:17:24 Speaker 183: organisations through our community of practice

03:17:27 Speaker 183: model, which enables information sharing and

03:17:28 Speaker 187: collabouration. Nature-based solutions in agriculture. One.

03:17:32 Speaker 188: of the things that really sets

03:17:35 Speaker 188: the Going Green and Green Plan

03:17:38 Speaker 188: apart is its grounding in our

03:17:39 Speaker 188: local and regional landscape. We really

03:17:41 Speaker 189: centre the importance of nature-based and

03:17:43 Speaker 189: agricultural solutions to climate action, and

03:17:45 Speaker 189: as part of that, have funded

03:17:47 Speaker 189: 13 local farms across 2024 and

03:17:49 Speaker 189: 2025, covering in the last couple

03:17:50 Speaker 189: of years. Well, currently in the

03:17:52 Speaker 183: 2025 year, 265 acres of agricultural

03:17:55 Speaker 183: land to pilot. different sustainable approaches.

03:17:57 Speaker 183: We're promoting local producers through

03:17:59 Speaker 183: the Gather Initiative, cross corporately, as

03:18:01 Speaker 183: well as cross corporately promoting the

03:18:02 Speaker 183: Living Snow Fence Programme, which supports

03:18:05 Speaker 183: the planting of trees to reduce

03:18:08 Speaker 183: blowing snow in the winter. And

03:18:11 Speaker 183: we're also updating and developing a

03:18:13 Speaker 183: number of our planning policies, including

03:18:15 Speaker 183: the Ecological Replacement and Enhancement Policy

03:18:16 Speaker 183: and the Forest Management Bylaw, all

03:18:18 Speaker 183: in an effort to advance nature-based

03:18:20 Speaker 183: climate solutions. Waste management is clearly

03:18:24 Speaker 183: the purview of our member municipalities.

03:18:27 Speaker 183: We do convene a waste management

03:18:30 Speaker 183: community of practice where regularly staff

03:18:31 Speaker 183: share best practices, and across grey

03:18:33 Speaker 183: we see major advances in this

03:18:35 Speaker 183: area. With four municipalities having organics

03:18:37 Speaker 183: and green bin collection, including Owen

03:18:41 Speaker 183: Sound, recently launching theirs. Four hundred

03:18:44 Speaker 183: food cyclers, so countertop composting units,

03:18:46 Speaker 183: having being distributed in two municipalities.

03:18:50 Speaker 183: Six municipalities having reused. Municipalities having

03:18:52 Speaker 183: reuse centres or similar types of

03:18:54 Speaker 183: initiatives, and four community repair cafes.

03:18:55 Speaker 183: So you'll see residents sharing their

03:18:57 Speaker 183: expertise on how to fix a

03:18:59 Speaker 183: broken toaster or what you might

03:19:00 Speaker 183: be able to do to keep

03:19:02 Speaker 183: a small appliance operational. In terms

03:19:04 Speaker 183: of EVs, transit, and active transportation,

03:19:07 Speaker 183: in addition to the 9.5 million

03:19:09 Speaker 183: in transit funding, the breakdown of

03:19:10 Speaker 183: that 2.5 million for a regional

03:19:11 Speaker 183: fast charging network includes 600 that.

03:19:16 Speaker 183: Includes six hundred thousand directly

03:19:19 Speaker 183: flowing into Gray County for

03:19:21 Speaker 183: three electric vehicle, fast electric vehicle

03:19:23 Speaker 183: chargers. Already, six local municipalities

03:19:25 Speaker 183: have one or more electric or

03:19:27 Speaker 183: hybrid vehicles within their fleets, and

03:19:29 Speaker 183: we see the updating of the

03:19:31 Speaker 183: county's paved shoulder policy to support

03:19:35 Speaker 183: active transportation and recreation, as well

03:19:37 Speaker 183: as a share the road. I'm

03:19:40 Speaker 183: just going to keep going. A

03:19:42 Speaker 183: share the road signage and update

03:19:45 Speaker 183: to a. An update to a

03:19:46 Speaker 183: cycling map and media campaign to

03:19:49 Speaker 183: try and encourage all road users

03:19:51 Speaker 183: to share the roads together. In

03:19:53 Speaker 183: terms of building and development, the

03:19:56 Speaker 183: Future Ready programme is well underway.

03:19:58 Speaker 183: We'll be giving you a more

03:20:00 Speaker 183: fulsome update at the August council

03:20:03 Speaker 183: meeting, but we continue to collabourate

03:20:05 Speaker 183: with different and Wellington counties to

03:20:08 Speaker 183: really advance an effort to support

03:20:09 Speaker 183: our regional development and construction industries

03:20:10 Speaker 183: in building for the future, being

03:20:13 Speaker 183: prepared for future building requirements from

03:20:16 Speaker 183: the federal government, and providing our

03:20:20 Speaker 183: residents with. residential construction that is

03:20:21 Speaker 183: efficient and meets the future needs.

03:20:22 Speaker 183: There are a number of retrofit

03:20:25 Speaker 183: programmemes being offered at this time

03:20:26 Speaker 183: by the provincial government and utilities,

03:20:29 Speaker 183: and so we continue to promote

03:20:30 Speaker 183: those out to our residents to

03:20:32 Speaker 183: support them in accessing them. Climate

03:20:33 Speaker 183: adaptation—you've heard about quite recently. We've

03:20:35 Speaker 183: completed our resilient gray engagement process.

03:20:37 Speaker 183: This was quite innovative. We ran

03:20:40 Speaker 183: some of Gray County's first Spotify

03:20:41 Speaker 183: ads to invite people to. complete

03:20:43 Speaker 183: a survey. We engaged with over

03:20:44 Speaker 183: we had 585 engagements where we

03:20:46 Speaker 183: touched various community events, as well

03:20:49 Speaker 183: as inviting residents to host their

03:20:51 Speaker 183: own conversations. There is an advisory

03:20:52 Speaker 183: group who, again, is multi-sectoral. So

03:20:55 Speaker 183: I want to sort of

03:20:59 Speaker 183: I guess stress in the climate

03:21:00 Speaker 183: adaptation space. There's both light touch

03:21:02 Speaker 183: engagements where maybe a resident

03:21:05 Speaker 183: talks to us for five minutes

03:21:08 Speaker 183: and learns something, and then we're

03:21:10 Speaker 183: actually able to mobilize the commitment.

03:21:12 Speaker 183: of community stakeholders like the conservation

03:21:13 Speaker 183: authorities, United Way, the utilities, who

03:21:15 Speaker 183: are actually giving us days of

03:21:17 Speaker 183: their time to support us in

03:21:19 Speaker 183: coming up with a resilient gray

03:21:20 Speaker 190: plan. We are updating technical guidance

03:21:24 Speaker 190: within the planning department around stormwater

03:21:25 Speaker 190: management and erosion control. We also

03:21:26 Speaker 191: continue to collabourate with municipalities and

03:21:30 Speaker 191: conservation authorities to align hazard mapping

03:21:31 Speaker 191: and municipal mapping. So all trying

03:21:33 Speaker 191: to help us be a resilient.

03:21:34 Speaker 191: gray community. The final theme I'll

03:21:35 Speaker 86: speak to is outreach and engagement.

03:21:38 Speaker 86: We do continue on a one-on-one

03:21:40 Speaker 86: resident basis to try and help

03:21:42 Speaker 86: build capacity. We've attended over thirty-eight

03:21:43 Speaker 86: events within the last year. We

03:21:47 Speaker 192: have a sort of monthly-ish e-newsletter

03:21:51 Speaker 193: that goes out. There's been a

03:21:54 Speaker 193: fifty-eight percent growth in subscribers to

03:21:56 Speaker 193: over five hundred. We've been deeply

03:21:59 Speaker 193: involved in various youth climate action

03:22:01 Speaker 193: efforts, including the third and Including

03:22:03 Speaker 193: the third annual Youth Climate Action

03:22:07 Speaker 193: Conference back in November, where 130

03:22:09 Speaker 193: students attended from 27 regional schools,

03:22:11 Speaker 193: we're also supporting the work of

03:22:12 Speaker 193: the Town of the Blue Mountains

03:22:14 Speaker 193: and their Youth Climate Action Fund

03:22:17 Speaker 193: that's distributed over $117,000 in micro

03:22:21 Speaker 193: grants to 20 youth-led projects. And

03:22:22 Speaker 193: that's not everything, but I hope

03:22:25 Speaker 193: those are some of the highlights,

03:22:27 Speaker 193: some of the things that we're

03:22:30 Speaker 193: most excited about. This is a

03:22:32 Speaker 193: screenshot of one of the panels

03:22:37 Speaker 193: in the print. document. So I

03:22:40 Speaker 193: spoke mostly about things that Gray

03:22:44 Speaker 193: County is doing, but I do

03:22:47 Speaker 193: really want to emphasize that this

03:22:49 Speaker 193: is about catalyzing and working

03:22:50 Speaker 193: with our member municipalities as well.

03:22:53 Speaker 193: So through our municipal community of

03:22:55 Speaker 193: practice, we reached out to the

03:22:57 Speaker 193: CAs and sort of asked them

03:23:01 Speaker 193: to flag some of the things

03:23:04 Speaker 193: happening locally that they thought it

03:23:06 Speaker 193: would be good to profile. In

03:23:08 Speaker 194: terms of next steps, we are

03:23:12 Speaker 194: going to continue to identify opportunities

03:23:14 Speaker 194: to support investments in long-term sustainability.

03:23:16 Speaker 195: and particularly external funding that we

03:23:18 Speaker 195: may be able to leverage to

03:23:20 Speaker 195: advance council's goals, while building strategic

03:23:23 Speaker 195: partnerships and capacity internally for this

03:23:25 Speaker 195: kind of work. So, a huge

03:23:27 Speaker 195: thank you to everyone around this

03:23:30 Speaker 195: table, as well as our community

03:23:34 Speaker 195: and the work that we've been

03:23:38 Speaker 195: able to accomplish, and also, of

03:23:40 Speaker 195: course, to the Climate Initiatives team

03:23:42 Speaker 195: who did a lot of the

03:23:44 Speaker 195: legwork in pulling this report together,

03:23:47 Speaker 195: including Megan. Yes. So, thank you

03:23:50 Speaker 195: very much for your time, and

03:23:53 Speaker 195: happy to answer any questions. Okay,

03:23:55 Speaker 195: thank you, and it is lovely

03:23:58 Speaker 195: to see that document as well.

03:23:59 Speaker 195: That will be good for us

03:24:01 Speaker 195: to be able to share the

03:24:03 Speaker 195: news in our municipalities. So, with

03:24:05 Speaker 195: that, then I will just take

03:24:08 Speaker 195: a moment here. We'll get the

03:24:11 Speaker 195: screen back. I'll look around the

03:24:13 Speaker 195: room for any questions, and we'll

03:24:16 Speaker 195: go to Councillor Dobrin. Thank you,

03:24:19 Speaker 195: and through you, thank you very

03:24:21 Speaker 196: much. Beautifully done. and it leads

03:24:24 Speaker 196: you if you have the capability

03:24:26 Speaker 196: and the interest to go to

03:24:27 Speaker 196: the website. Then it it encourages

03:24:28 Speaker 196: you to do so. Excuse me.

03:24:30 Speaker 196: I guess my my question is

03:24:31 Speaker 196: threefold. You you mentioned on one

03:24:34 Speaker 196: of your pages, one of your

03:24:40 Speaker 196: slides, the waste diversion, and you

03:24:41 Speaker 86: talked about the number of municipalities

03:24:46 Speaker 86: that have organics reuse centres, EV

03:24:48 Speaker 86: charging. Are is there a potential

03:24:51 Speaker 86: for that to be mapped, so

03:24:55 Speaker 86: that people can have a visual?

03:24:57 Speaker 86: I didn't notice it, but and

03:24:59 Speaker 86: I admit I haven't been to

03:25:01 Speaker 16: the website yet. And in our

03:25:07 Speaker 16: climate, given our most recent climate

03:25:08 Speaker 16: winter, I can see the benefit

03:25:10 Speaker 16: of hybrid vehicles. I'm curious as

03:25:11 Speaker 16: to with all of the charging

03:25:13 Speaker 197: stations or the charging infrastructure that

03:25:16 Speaker 198: we've gotten funding. for, are we

03:25:18 Speaker 198: tracking how they're being used? Like

03:25:20 Speaker 198: the frequency, I see, you know,

03:25:23 Speaker 198: banks of charging stations in other

03:25:25 Speaker 198: municipalities empty, you know, more times

03:25:26 Speaker 199: than they have even one vehicle.

03:25:31 Speaker 199: I just wondered if that is

03:25:32 Speaker 199: being tracked. Thank you. Thank you

03:25:34 Speaker 82: through the question for the question

03:25:36 Speaker 82: and through you, Madam Warden. I

03:25:38 Speaker 200: think we could map some of

03:25:41 Speaker 200: those assets. Are maybe all. Those

03:25:43 Speaker 201: assets are maybe already being mapped

03:25:47 Speaker 201: elsewhere. There is a sustainability assets

03:25:49 Speaker 201: map that Gray County hosts, and

03:25:52 Speaker 201: we can certainly look at including

03:25:55 Speaker 201: things like which municipalities have different

03:25:57 Speaker 201: diversions, diversion programmemes available for EVs

03:25:59 Speaker 201: specifically. Because so many, because I'm

03:26:02 Speaker 201: not an EV owner, but from

03:26:05 Speaker 201: talking to EV owners, I you

03:26:07 Speaker 201: really want a comprehensive map of

03:26:10 Speaker 201: all charging opportunities, not maps

03:26:13 Speaker 201: of specific networks of charging opportunities,

03:26:16 Speaker 202: so we tend to rely on

03:26:18 Speaker 151: third-party mappers of EVs because they

03:26:20 Speaker 151: are able to keep them current.

03:26:21 Speaker 151: In terms of the funding that

03:26:23 Speaker 151: Gray County has received, we haven't.

03:26:25 Speaker 151: We're in the process of installing

03:26:26 Speaker 151: those chargers. So certainly, once they

03:26:28 Speaker 151: are installed, we will be tracking

03:26:30 Speaker 151: usage. And yeah, I think it's

03:26:34 Speaker 203: it's something we know other municipalities

03:26:36 Speaker 203: certainly are keeping that information for

03:26:37 Speaker 203: their chargers. So we'll be. doing

03:26:38 Speaker 203: the same. Okay, thank you. Looking

03:26:40 Speaker 203: around the room, okay, I'm not

03:26:41 Speaker 203: seeing any further hands up. So

03:26:43 Speaker 203: in that case, then thank you

03:26:44 Speaker 203: very much for providing us that

03:26:46 Speaker 203: update and for the document that

03:26:47 Speaker 204: we can share. And I'll call

03:26:52 Speaker 204: the question. All those in favour?

03:26:54 Speaker 204: And that motion is

03:26:56 Speaker 204: carried. Thank you. And we have

03:26:58 Speaker 204: one more then that needs discussion:

03:26:59 Speaker 204: 7D, and. this is we are

03:27:00 Speaker 204: revisiting this this information with

03:27:02 Speaker 204: extra information included. So the recommendation

03:27:06 Speaker 204: is that report EDC. Okay, so

03:27:08 Speaker 204: Madam Clerk, I just want to

03:27:09 Speaker 204: check with you too because we

03:27:11 Speaker 204: did have an originally moved motion.

03:27:13 Speaker 204: So do you want to speak?

03:27:14 Speaker 204: So we did have a motion

03:27:16 Speaker 204: that was deferred from a prior

03:27:18 Speaker 204: meeting to be brought forward to

03:27:20 Speaker 204: a future meeting. So it was

03:27:21 Speaker 205: originally moved. by Councillors Carlson, Carleton,

03:27:24 Speaker 205: and Patterson. But to get it

03:27:26 Speaker 205: back on the floor, if Council

03:27:27 Speaker 204: could put forward, move and second

03:27:31 Speaker 204: it again, and put the original

03:27:33 Speaker 204: motion back on the floor, and

03:27:34 Speaker 204: then we can proceed from there.

03:27:34 Speaker 204: Okay, so you would like me

03:27:36 Speaker 204: to read out the recommended motion,

03:27:38 Speaker 204: and then see if Councillor Carleton

03:27:39 Speaker 204: and Councillor Patterson are still moving

03:27:41 Speaker 204: that motion. Okay, all right, so.

03:27:44 Speaker 204: with that, it's recommended that report

03:27:46 Speaker 204: EDTC CW zero six twenty five

03:27:47 Speaker 204: regarding Gray Roots Village unanticipated capital

03:27:48 Speaker 204: capital projects twenty twenty five be

03:27:49 Speaker 204: received, and that the schoolhouse portion

03:27:50 Speaker 204: of the twenty twenty seven Cedar

03:27:52 Speaker 204: Shingle capital project be advanced to

03:27:54 Speaker 204: twenty twenty five due to failed

03:27:56 Speaker 204: inspection. That the schoolhouse roof replacement

03:27:58 Speaker 204: be funded from a combination of

03:28:01 Speaker 204: year end surplus and Gray Roots

03:28:02 Speaker 204: Marston Village. Building Improvements Reserved. So,

03:28:04 Speaker 204: Councillor Carlton, that is continues to

03:28:07 Speaker 204: be what you would move, okay?

03:28:08 Speaker 204: And Councillor Patterson, okay. So, I'm

03:28:09 Speaker 204: seeing a nod of head from

03:28:11 Speaker 204: both the mover and the second,

03:28:12 Speaker 204: Madam Clerk. So, we have that

03:28:13 Speaker 204: now on the floor to pick

03:28:19 Speaker 204: up the conversation. Now, so welcome,

03:28:20 Speaker 204: Director Myers, if you would like

03:28:23 Speaker 204: to present the updated information. Thank

03:28:25 Speaker 204: you. Good afternoon, County Council. So,

03:28:27 Speaker 204: thank you to Tara for taking

03:28:28 Speaker 204: us through that because that was

03:28:31 Speaker 204: the first. part of my notes.

03:28:32 Speaker 204: Here was just to say that

03:28:35 Speaker 204: this is based on the deferral

03:28:37 Speaker 204: from the last meeting that we

03:28:39 Speaker 204: had. We went back and gathered

03:28:41 Speaker 204: more information as you had requested

03:28:43 Speaker 204: about different roofing material options. We

03:28:45 Speaker 204: did this in mind, thinking about

03:28:48 Speaker 204: the building's historic character, longevity, maintenance

03:28:50 Speaker 204: requirements, all of those pieces. A

03:28:52 Speaker 206: lot of similarities. What we talked

03:28:56 Speaker 206: about yesterday during Budget and Finance

03:28:57 Speaker 206: Committee and the maintenance requirements within

03:28:59 Speaker 204: our department, as you'll see in

03:29:01 Speaker 204: here. it is still the same

03:29:03 Speaker 204: recommendation from before because this is

03:29:04 Speaker 204: a deferral. But in going back

03:29:06 Speaker 204: to do further research about what

03:29:08 Speaker 204: other options may have been available,

03:29:10 Speaker 204: you will see that in the

03:29:11 Speaker 204: report where asphalt shingles, sheet metal

03:29:13 Speaker 204: shingles, and slate shingles were also

03:29:14 Speaker 204: options in addition to the cedar

03:29:15 Speaker 204: roofs. You see a chart on

03:29:17 Speaker 204: page two of the report that

03:29:20 Speaker 204: talks about what we know as

03:29:21 Speaker 204: a preliminary estimate. I say it's

03:29:23 Speaker 204: a preliminary estimate because no matter

03:29:25 Speaker 204: what, we still have to go

03:29:27 Speaker 204: and do an RFQ process. I

03:29:29 Speaker 204: still need to go out formally

03:29:31 Speaker 204: through purchasing to do the quote

03:29:32 Speaker 204: because everything's over twenty thousand dollars.

03:29:34 Speaker 204: So this is our best estimate

03:29:36 Speaker 204: right now, having not gone through

03:29:39 Speaker 204: that process. So we also provided

03:29:40 Speaker 204: some comments so that you would

03:29:42 Speaker 204: know what was available during that

03:29:43 Speaker 204: period, what was not, what was

03:29:44 Speaker 204: likely to have been used, as

03:29:47 Speaker 204: well as the pricing that we

03:29:48 Speaker 207: know to date and life expectancy.

03:29:53 Speaker 207: And the life expectancy is something

03:29:55 Speaker 207: that to us is really important.

03:29:57 Speaker 207: The maintenance requirements is really important.

03:29:58 Speaker 207: As again, we discussed yesterday during

03:29:59 Speaker 207: budget and finance. In budget and

03:30:00 Speaker 207: finance, we are really spending a

03:30:04 Speaker 207: lot of time on maintenance, a

03:30:06 Speaker 208: lot of money on maintenance, and

03:30:09 Speaker 208: that is what drives our capital

03:30:11 Speaker 208: budget. So we're trying to find

03:30:12 Speaker 209: a solution that will give us

03:30:16 Speaker 209: the most life expectancy, but still

03:30:17 Speaker 209: dollar figure, so that we are

03:30:18 Speaker 210: investing wisely as we go. So

03:30:21 Speaker 210: knowing that, what we would like

03:30:23 Speaker 211: to recommend as an alternative suggestion,

03:30:25 Speaker 212: if the cedar shingles are still

03:30:29 Speaker 212: not preferred, is the Euro Shield.

03:30:31 Speaker 212: So what we have found is

03:30:33 Speaker 213: it's a highly durable recycled rubber

03:30:37 Speaker 213: shingle roofing material. It provides a

03:30:38 Speaker 213: modern alternative with at least a

03:30:39 Speaker 213: fifty-year estimated lifespan on it. So

03:30:40 Speaker 213: it is a composite material, but

03:30:44 Speaker 213: it looks very similar to red

03:30:45 Speaker 213: cedar shakes. Given that life expectancy,

03:30:47 Speaker 213: it equates to approximately a thousand

03:30:49 Speaker 213: and thirty-six dollars over every single

03:30:51 Speaker 213: year in terms of an investment.

03:30:54 Speaker 213: The other thing that we wanted

03:30:56 Speaker 213: to note, thinking about our maintenance

03:31:01 Speaker 213: and how our buildings age, is.

03:31:04 Speaker 213: that none of our buildings are

03:31:07 Speaker 213: heated and cooled throughout the year.

03:31:11 Speaker 213: They're not lived in, so they

03:31:13 Speaker 92: do tend to deteriorate faster because

03:31:15 Speaker 92: they're historic buildings. So we just

03:31:17 Speaker 92: wanted to make that note as

03:31:19 Speaker 92: well. So all of these figures

03:31:22 Speaker 92: that you see throughout here are

03:31:24 Speaker 92: based on kind of the worst

03:31:27 Speaker 92: case scenario of the lowest life

03:31:29 Speaker 92: expectancy possible. So asphalt being 15

03:31:30 Speaker 92: years, where we would have to

03:31:31 Speaker 92: replace it twice over the course

03:31:33 Speaker 92: of the time limits of others.

03:31:34 Speaker 92: Our red cedar would last at

03:31:37 Speaker 92: least 30 years, could be 50,

03:31:38 Speaker 92: but we're estimating. Be fifty, but

03:31:39 Speaker 92: we're estimating these numbers based on

03:31:42 Speaker 92: thirty years, and all of the

03:31:43 Speaker 92: rest of the options are fifty-year

03:31:45 Speaker 92: assumptions based on what we know

03:31:46 Speaker 92: to date. So, we are looking

03:31:47 Speaker 92: for council's direction in terms of

03:31:49 Speaker 214: where you are willing to go

03:31:52 Speaker 214: and where you want staff to

03:31:54 Speaker 215: go with the roof of the

03:31:59 Speaker 215: schoolhouse. With this information now in

03:32:00 Speaker 215: hand, so I'm happy to answer

03:32:02 Speaker 151: any questions that you have. Okay,

03:32:06 Speaker 216: thank you for that further information

03:32:10 Speaker 217: and comparison of the options. So

03:32:13 Speaker 217: we're going to go into discussions.

03:32:14 Speaker 217: We're going to go into discussion.

03:32:16 Speaker 217: So, did I see a hand

03:32:18 Speaker 92: from Councillor Mackie, and then we'll

03:32:22 Speaker 218: go to the Deputy Warden. Thank

03:32:24 Speaker 218: you, Warden. Thank you, Savannah, for

03:32:26 Speaker 219: bringing that forward. I have some

03:32:29 Speaker 219: personal knowledge of the Yarrow Shield,

03:32:31 Speaker 219: and it's been installed in my

03:32:32 Speaker 39: mother's log house for about 15

03:32:35 Speaker 39: years, and it looks the same

03:32:36 Speaker 39: today as it did the day

03:32:39 Speaker 39: it was installed. So, I'm glad

03:32:40 Speaker 39: that that's the recommendation, and I

03:32:42 Speaker 39: would certainly support that. Thank you.

03:32:45 Speaker 39: very much. We'll go over to

03:32:47 Speaker 39: the deputy warden. Thank you, Madam

03:32:48 Speaker 39: Warden. Thank you, Savannah, for indulging

03:32:53 Speaker 39: Council's request to go back and

03:32:54 Speaker 39: have another look at that. It

03:32:57 Speaker 39: looks like you've done a tremendous

03:32:59 Speaker 39: amount of work, and I appreciate

03:33:01 Speaker 39: that. And I too, I don't

03:33:03 Speaker 39: have any experience, personal experience with

03:33:04 Speaker 39: the Euro Shield, but I, I

03:33:06 Speaker 39: think it checks off a number

03:33:09 Speaker 39: of the boxes, and especially after

03:33:10 Speaker 39: yesterday's budget and finance meeting, where

03:33:13 Speaker 39: we. talked about maintenance and operational

03:33:17 Speaker 39: expenses killing our budgets. Something that

03:33:19 Speaker 39: is recycled, something that is long-lasting,

03:33:22 Speaker 39: and something that looks good. Boy,

03:33:24 Speaker 39: that that really hits the spot.

03:33:27 Speaker 39: So thank you so

03:33:29 Speaker 220: much for that. I I couldn't

03:33:32 Speaker 220: help but think, and I talked

03:33:35 Speaker 220: to Savannah during lunch a little

03:33:37 Speaker 221: bit about it. Back in the

03:33:39 Speaker 221: 1920s, when trustees really did. the

03:33:42 Speaker 105: work of a trustee. They probably

03:33:47 Speaker 105: were wondering, what are we going

03:33:48 Speaker 105: to put on the roof? This

03:33:56 Speaker 222: old school or this schoolhouse? It

03:34:02 Speaker 222: wouldn't be old in those days,

03:34:03 Speaker 222: but they'd be looking at a

03:34:04 Speaker 222: barn sheet steel. They wouldn't be

03:34:06 Speaker 222: concerned about does it look like

03:34:08 Speaker 222: a barn roof? Well, yeah, it

03:34:10 Speaker 222: does, but it's it's going to

03:34:11 Speaker 222: last for. Well, the steel's been

03:34:12 Speaker 223: on my barn for an excess

03:34:15 Speaker 223: of 100 years, and yeah, you

03:34:16 Speaker 223: need to paint it once in

03:34:18 Speaker 223: a while, but it lasts a

03:34:20 Speaker 223: long time. But the Euro Shield,

03:34:21 Speaker 223: I think that that. that does

03:34:22 Speaker 223: the work. So thank you, Savannah.

03:34:24 Speaker 223: Okay, thank you. And just yes,

03:34:26 Speaker 223: it is one of the recommendations.

03:34:27 Speaker 223: It's noted as the secondary recommendation,

03:34:28 Speaker 223: the Euro Shield. So with that,

03:34:30 Speaker 223: we'll continue. So oh yes, just

03:34:33 Speaker 223: a point of order. Do we

03:34:35 Speaker 223: need an amendment to change the

03:34:39 Speaker 223: recommendation? Yes. So I will move

03:34:40 Speaker 223: that we amend the resolution or

03:34:42 Speaker 223: the motion to. install the Euroshield

03:34:43 Speaker 223: is that kind of what you're

03:34:44 Speaker 85: looking for, Madam Clerk, Madam Warden?

03:34:50 Speaker 85: Yeah, good. Thank you. Yes, because

03:34:51 Speaker 85: the current one that's on the

03:34:53 Speaker 85: floor for discussion refers to the

03:34:55 Speaker 85: cedar shingle. So, okay, so that's

03:34:56 Speaker 85: been moved by the Deputy Warden

03:34:58 Speaker 85: as an amendment to the main

03:35:00 Speaker 224: motion. Is that being seconded by?

03:35:04 Speaker 225: That's being seconded by Councillor Dobrin.

03:35:06 Speaker 225: So we're now on the discussion.

03:35:08 Speaker 226: We've heard prior discussions. So we're

03:35:12 Speaker 151: now on the discussion of. can

03:35:14 Speaker 151: you just make sure that everybody

03:35:17 Speaker 151: can see it as well up

03:35:21 Speaker 151: on that screen? Okay, so we

03:35:22 Speaker 151: are now considering that it's been

03:35:25 Speaker 227: moved by Councillor Millen, seconded by

03:35:28 Speaker 227: Councillor Dobreen, that the motion be

03:35:30 Speaker 227: amended to strike out cedar shingle

03:35:31 Speaker 227: and insert euro shield in the

03:35:33 Speaker 227: second clause. So that is all

03:35:34 Speaker 03: that we're discussing at this point.

03:35:50 Speaker 84: So open for discussion. Yes, Councillor

03:35:54 Speaker 84: Dobreen. Thank you. and through

03:35:56 Speaker 84: you, I am happy to

03:35:59 Speaker 84: second the motion. My question about

03:36:01 Speaker 84: next steps is that this would

03:36:04 Speaker 84: still go to an RFQ. We're

03:36:12 Speaker 228: specifically targeting Euroshield, confident that it's

03:36:16 Speaker 151: going to be less than red

03:36:18 Speaker 151: cedar shingles. I'm I'm guessing if

03:36:19 Speaker 151: it comes in significantly more than

03:36:22 Speaker 151: the original estimate, then it'll come

03:36:24 Speaker 151: back. But is is this non-specific

03:36:26 Speaker 151: enough through? perhaps through the warden

03:36:27 Speaker 151: to the clerk, cases get your

03:36:29 Speaker 151: job easier. Okay, director, you want

03:36:31 Speaker 151: to address that? Thank you, through

03:36:33 Speaker 151: your warden. That is a

03:36:35 Speaker 151: great question. I am hopeful that

03:36:37 Speaker 151: it doesn't come back as more

03:36:39 Speaker 151: than the shingles. I think, given

03:36:42 Speaker 151: our purchasing policy, there are certain

03:36:44 Speaker 151: certain thresholds. That if it comes

03:36:46 Speaker 229: back, I think it's twenty percent

03:36:52 Speaker 229: more than what you're approving. we

03:36:53 Speaker 229: need to come back to you

03:36:55 Speaker 229: regardless. If you wanted to leave

03:36:57 Speaker 229: it where we could do an

03:36:58 Speaker 230: actual process, I would have to

03:37:01 Speaker 230: check with Mary Lou and Mike

03:37:06 Speaker 86: where it is Red Cedar or

03:37:11 Speaker 86: Euro Shield, and have them quote

03:37:13 Speaker 86: on both to see what comes.

03:37:15 Speaker 86: I don't know if that's an

03:37:17 Speaker 86: option. Um, probably a messier option,

03:37:18 Speaker 86: but I mean we're we're comfortable

03:37:22 Speaker 86: with the Euro Shield if Council's

03:37:24 Speaker 86: comfortable with the Euro Shield. Okay.

03:37:26 Speaker 86: Well, the amendment we have is

03:37:30 Speaker 86: only specifically to the Euro Shield,

03:37:33 Speaker 86: so that'll have to stay. Euroshield,

03:37:35 Speaker 86: so that'll have to stay that

03:37:37 Speaker 86: way, and unless we hear differently

03:37:40 Speaker 86: from council members. So, okay, all

03:37:42 Speaker 86: right. So I don't see any

03:37:43 Speaker 86: further discussion on the amendment. So

03:37:45 Speaker 86: we, and I will call the

03:37:48 Speaker 86: vote. Then that the motion be

03:37:51 Speaker 86: amended to strike out cedar shingle

03:37:52 Speaker 86: and insert Euroshield in the second

03:37:55 Speaker 86: clause.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: All those in favour.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Okay, that motion is carried.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: So we will now just update our main motion with changing cedar shingle.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: to Enviro Shield, and I'm sorry, Director Myers, the number of suppliers of that particular brand name, you don't know.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: So, and could be anywhere in Ontario, could be bidding on it.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Okay.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Okay.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: All right.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: So we're back to the main motion.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Is there any further discussion on the main motion?

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Oh, can we just have it updated on the screen, please?

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Okay.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: So now reads that report EDTC CW zero six twenty five regarding Grayroots Village unanticipated capital project projects twenty twenty five be received and that the schoolhouse portion of the twenty twenty seven Euroshield capital project be advanced.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Sorry, I'm just.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Yeah, okay.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Be advanced, yes.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Due to failed inspection, but there is another part too as well, right?

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Okay, and that the school, yeah, and that the school.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: There it is.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Further, just making sure it's on the screen for everybody to see, and that the schoolhouse roof replacement be funded from a combination of year-end surplus and Gray Roots, Morriston Village Building Improvements Reserve.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Evidence reserve.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: So all three sections are there for your review on the screen.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Okay, I am seeing no further questions.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Then no further comments.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: So I'll call.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Oh yes.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Oh sorry, Deputy Warden.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Just real quick, I will note that this is a Canadian product.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: It's manufactured in Calgary.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: I don't know if that was in the report or not, but it is.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: So elbows up, right on.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Thank you.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Excellent additional detail for sure.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Okay, all right.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Therefore, I'll call the question.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: All those in favour?

03:37:55 Speaker 86: All right, the motion's carried.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: How could we say no after the deputy warden's additional comment?

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Okay, thank you.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: So that takes care of that item.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: We do not have any closed meeting matters.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Other business?

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Seeing no hands raised.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: We'll then go to notices and.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: go to notices of motion.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Are there any notices of motion to serve?

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Looking around the room, not hearing or seeing any hands go up.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Then we'll call for a motion to adjourn.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: We recommend that this committee, the whole, does now adjourn at one thirty-one p.m.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Move by Councillor Eccles and seconded by Councillor Patterson.

03:37:55 Speaker 86: Any discussion?

03:37:55 Speaker 86: All those in favour?

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