Grey County County Council Meeting Transcript — July 24, 2025
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Grey County · County Council · July 24, 2025
Summary
County Council convened on July 24, 2025, to receive reports from subordinate committees regarding closed sessions and to consider bylaws covering land disposition, traffic regulation, and council proceedings. The body moved quickly through its agenda before carrying a motion to adjourn the session with no recorded discussion.
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- Council Considers Long Term Care Committee Minutes and Related Reports: A councillor recommended that the Long Term Care Committee minutes dated July 3, 2025 be adopted as presented and that resolutions regarding a director update, an operational report, and a financial update be received for information. The chair invited Director Cornell to speak on the matter before asking for a vote.
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1 Call to Order
A speaker called to order the County Council meeting of July 24, 2025.
00:06:01 Speaker 01: now like to call to order
00:06:02 Speaker 01: this County Council meeting of July
00:06:04 Speaker 02: twenty fourth, twenty twenty five. At
00:06:06 Speaker 02: this point in time, as you
00:06:07 Speaker 02: are able, please join us in
2 O Canada
Council members sang the national anthem O Canada.
00:06:09 Speaker 02: the standing and singing of O
00:06:10 Speaker 03: Canada. Our home and oh Canada,
00:06:25 Speaker 04: our home and native land. True
00:06:30 Speaker 04: patriot love in all of us
00:06:35 Speaker 04: command. With glowing hearts we. Owing
00:06:41 Speaker 05: hearts, we see thee rise, the
00:06:44 Speaker 05: true North, strong and free, from
00:06:49 Speaker 05: far and wide, O Canada, we
00:06:53 Speaker 05: stand on guard for thee. God
00:07:01 Speaker 05: keep our land, glorious and free,
00:07:08 Speaker 05: O Canada, we. stand on guard
00:07:15 Speaker 05: for thee. Oh, Canada, we stand
00:07:21 Speaker 05: on guard for thee. Thank you,
3 Roll Call
A speaker requested a roll call to determine attendance. The clerk confirmed that all members were present except Councillors Eccles and McQueen.
00:07:32 Speaker 05: Madam Clerk. Could you please conduct
00:07:37 Speaker 05: our roll call, Counselor Mackenzie?
00:07:40 Speaker 05: Councillor Mackie, Councillor McKay,
00:07:42 Speaker 05: Councillor Carleton, Councillor Pringle, Councillor McQueen
00:07:44 Speaker 05: is absent at this time.
00:07:48 Speaker 05: Councillor Nielsen, Councillor Patterson, Councillor
00:07:51 Speaker 05: Dickert, Councillor Kentner, Councillor Kieveny,
00:07:56 Speaker 05: Councillor Body, Councillor Gregg, Councillor
00:08:00 Speaker 05: Milne, Councillor Dobreen, Warden
00:08:05 Speaker 05: Matrosovs, Councillor Bourignon, Councillor. Eccles, I
00:08:07 Speaker 06: believe, is joining us shortly, and
00:08:11 Speaker 06: Councillor Hutchinson. Thank you. We have
00:08:12 Speaker 06: all members in attendance, with the
00:08:13 Speaker 06: exception of Councillors Eccles and McQueen.
00:08:18 Speaker 07: Thank you, Madam Clerk. Let us
4 Land Acknowledgement
A speaker began by acknowledging that the gathering occurs on the traditional territory of the Niitsauk Nation, the people of the Three Fires, known as the Ojibwe, Odawa, and Potawatomi Nations. The speaker further gave thanks to the Chippewas of Sogeeen and the Chippewas of Nawash, collectively known as the Sogeeen Ojibwe Nation, who are the traditional keepers of these lands and waters since time immemorial. Additionally, the speaker noted that south of the county lies the traditional territories of the Six Nations of the Grand River Haudenosaunee. The body expressed dedication to honouring Indigenous history and culture while committing to moving forward in the spirit of truth, reconciliation, and friendship with all First Nations, Métis, and Inuit people.
00:08:21 Speaker 07: begin by respectfully acknowledging that we
00:08:23 Speaker 07: are gathering on the traditional territory
00:08:25 Speaker 07: of the Niitsauk Nation, the people
00:08:27 Speaker 07: of the Three Fires, known as
00:08:29 Speaker 07: the Ojibwe, the Odawa, and the
00:08:32 Speaker 07: Potawatomi Nations, and further, we give
00:08:34 Speaker 07: thanks to the. Chippewas of Sogeeen
00:08:36 Speaker 07: and the Chippewas of Nawash, known
00:08:39 Speaker 07: collectively as Sogeeen Ojibwe Nation, the
00:08:42 Speaker 07: traditional keepers of these lands and
00:08:45 Speaker 07: waters since time immemorial. In our
00:08:47 Speaker 07: south of our county lies the
00:08:48 Speaker 07: traditional territories of the Six Nations
00:08:50 Speaker 07: of the Grand River Haudenosaunee. We
00:08:54 Speaker 07: are dedicated to honouring Indigenous history
00:08:57 Speaker 07: and culture, and committed to moving
00:08:58 Speaker 07: forward in the spirit of truth,
00:09:02 Speaker 08: reconciliation, and friendship with all First.
00:09:04 Speaker 09: Nations, Métis, and Inuit people. At
5 Declaration of Interest
Council adopted minutes with no declared interests.
00:09:09 Speaker 09: this point in time, I'd like
00:09:09 Speaker 09: to put a call out if
00:09:10 Speaker 09: there are any declarations of interest
00:09:13 Speaker 10: for this council agenda. And I
00:09:15 Speaker 10: am seeing no hands on, hands
00:09:17 Speaker 02: up, so we'll proceed. Item six
00:09:20 Speaker 02: is the adoption of the minutes.
00:09:22 Speaker 02: It's recommended that the minutes of
00:09:23 Speaker 02: County Council meeting and committee, the
00:09:25 Speaker 02: whole meeting dated July tenth, twenty
00:09:27 Speaker 02: twenty five, and the resolutions contained
00:09:29 Speaker 02: therein be adopted as presented. May
00:09:30 Speaker 02: I ask for a mover? May
00:09:32 Speaker 02: ask for a mover. Moved by
00:09:35 Speaker 02: the deputy warden and seconded by
00:09:38 Speaker 02: Councillor Hutchinson. Any discussion? All those
00:09:40 Speaker 02: in favour? And that motion is
00:09:42 Speaker 02: carried. Next, it's recommended that the
6.b Closed Committee of the Whole meeting minutes dated July 10, 2025
Council adopted the closed session committee of the whole minutes dated July 10, 2025.
00:09:44 Speaker 02: closed session committee of the whole
00:09:46 Speaker 02: meet committee of the whole meeting
00:09:49 Speaker 02: minutes, dated July 10, 2025, be
00:09:51 Speaker 02: adopted as provided. May ask for
00:09:54 Speaker 02: a mover. Moved by Councillor Nielsen.
00:09:57 Speaker 02: Seconded by Councillor Kieveny. Any discussion?
00:10:01 Speaker 02: All those in favour? And that
6.c Long-Term Care Committee of Management meeting minutes July 3, 2025
The agenda item listed Long-Term Care Committee of Management meeting minutes from July 3, 2025.
00:10:03 Speaker 02: motion is carried. Item six C,
6.d Long-Term Care Committee of Management closed meeting minutes dated July 3, 2025
A councillor recommended that the Long Term Care Committee closed session minutes dated July 3, 2025 be adopted along with resolutions for a director update, operational report, and financial update received for information. Council carried a motion to adopt those closed session minutes and passed three bylaws regarding land disposition, traffic regulation, and council proceedings.
00:10:05 Speaker 02: with regards to our long term
00:10:07 Speaker 02: care committee, it's recommended that the
00:10:09 Speaker 02: long term care committee of the
00:10:12 Speaker 02: committee of management meeting minutes dated
00:10:15 Speaker 02: July third, twenty twenty five, be
00:10:17 Speaker 02: adopted as presented, and that the
00:10:21 Speaker 02: following resolutions contained therein be endorsed.
00:10:24 Speaker 02: Number one, that report LTCRCM ten
00:10:27 Speaker 02: twenty five regarding a long term
00:10:30 Speaker 02: care director update be received for
00:10:35 Speaker 02: information. Number two, that report LTCRCM
00:10:37 Speaker 02: eleven twenty five regarding a long
00:10:39 Speaker 02: term care operational report dated April
00:10:41 Speaker 02: fifteenth to June fourteenth, twenty twenty
00:10:43 Speaker 02: five, be received for information, and
00:10:47 Speaker 02: that the title the report titled
00:10:50 Speaker 02: LTCRCM twelve twenty five long term
00:10:51 Speaker 02: care financial update as as of
00:10:54 Speaker 02: April thirtieth be received for information.
00:10:55 Speaker 02: May ask for a mover
00:10:57 Speaker 02: and a seconder to move by
00:10:58 Speaker 02: Councillor Patterson, seconded by Councillor. Mackie,
00:11:00 Speaker 02: and with that, I'd like to
00:11:01 Speaker 02: invite Director Cornell to come to
00:11:07 Speaker 11: the lectern to speak to it.
00:11:11 Speaker 11: Thank you, Warden Matrosovs, and through
00:11:13 Speaker 11: you, good morning, County Council. I'll
00:11:14 Speaker 11: just provide a summary of the
00:11:16 Speaker 12: meeting, and I'm just going to
00:11:19 Speaker 12: highlight items that we haven't discussed
00:11:21 Speaker 12: before. So we started the meeting
00:11:22 Speaker 13: in a really great way, and
00:11:26 Speaker 13: we had a tour of the
00:11:30 Speaker 13: new Rockwood redevelopment, and. it was,
00:11:35 Speaker 13: it was really exciting. The the
00:11:36 Speaker 13: crew was actively craning structural pieces
00:11:38 Speaker 13: onto the building, and things are
00:11:41 Speaker 13: moving right along. So it's really
00:11:44 Speaker 13: exciting. In terms of an update
00:11:46 Speaker 13: from the meeting, some highlights of
00:11:50 Speaker 13: the director's update: there were some
00:11:51 Speaker 13: ministry updates, further information about items
00:11:53 Speaker 13: that we've already talked about in
00:11:56 Speaker 13: terms of legislation, and and it
00:11:59 Speaker 13: moving. through the process, we held
00:12:02 Speaker 13: our quarterly family virtual call. So
00:12:05 Speaker 13: we host these quarterly an opportunity
00:12:08 Speaker 13: to give an update to residents,
00:12:10 Speaker 13: families, caregivers, and there's an opportunity
00:12:12 Speaker 13: for a question and answer. So
00:12:14 Speaker 13: we hosted that. We had invited
00:12:17 Speaker 13: guests to that virtual meeting, Silver
00:12:19 Speaker 13: Fox Pharmacy, which is the the
00:12:21 Speaker 13: new pharmacy, and there was some
00:12:23 Speaker 13: really good engagement with family members
00:12:27 Speaker 13: on the call with some questions.
00:12:28 Speaker 13: Family members on the call, some
00:12:32 Speaker 13: questions about that change. We, I
00:12:33 Speaker 13: just want to highlight that we
00:12:35 Speaker 13: welcome back a number of students
00:12:38 Speaker 13: to that that provide support and
00:12:43 Speaker 13: work during the summer as team
00:12:46 Speaker 13: members. Many of them are actively
00:12:49 Speaker 13: in school taking their RN or
00:12:50 Speaker 13: RPN designations. We also partnered with
00:12:53 Speaker 13: Ontario Centres for Learning Research and
00:12:57 Speaker 13: Innovations, so CLRI, and Grey County
00:13:00 Speaker 13: to renew the. Gray County to
00:13:02 Speaker 13: renew the personal support worker education
00:13:04 Speaker 13: fund that offered a series of
00:13:06 Speaker 13: six education sessions to PSWs across
00:13:08 Speaker 13: the the Gray and Bruce regions.
00:13:10 Speaker 13: So we helped coordinate it, and
00:13:12 Speaker 13: it wasn't just limited to attendees
00:13:16 Speaker 13: from the Gray County or Bruce
00:13:18 Speaker 13: County homes, but it was to
00:13:20 Speaker 13: PSWs in all of the sixteen,
00:13:21 Speaker 13: seventeen long term care homes in
00:13:23 Speaker 13: Gray Bruce. I also wanted to
00:13:26 Speaker 13: highlight that Karen Kraus is the
00:13:28 Speaker 13: current. executive director at Rockwood Terrace.
00:13:33 Speaker 13: Has accepted a new role as
00:13:36 Speaker 14: project lead for operational readiness for
00:13:38 Speaker 14: the Rockwood Terrace redevelopment, where she
00:13:40 Speaker 14: will help the county and residents
00:13:42 Speaker 14: in the transition to the new
00:13:44 Speaker 14: location. And operational readiness—it doesn't even
00:13:46 Speaker 14: sound easy when you say it
00:13:48 Speaker 13: fast. There's a lot of work
00:13:51 Speaker 13: to be done to be ready
00:13:53 Speaker 13: to move into a new long-term
00:13:55 Speaker 13: care home to meet all of
00:13:58 Speaker 13: the the standards, to pass ministry
00:14:00 Speaker 13: inspections, etc., and so she will
00:14:02 Speaker 13: be taking on the lead for
00:14:05 Speaker 13: that work. And the report says
00:14:07 Speaker 13: that we were actively recruiting to
00:14:09 Speaker 13: backfill her position, but we were
00:14:11 Speaker 13: able to announce yesterday that Terry
00:14:14 Speaker 13: Fisher, who is the current resident
00:14:17 Speaker 13: family services manager at Rockwood Terrace,
00:14:18 Speaker 13: will be stepping into the role
00:14:20 Speaker 13: of executive director in September, and
00:14:24 Speaker 13: she'll be working in partnership with.
00:14:26 Speaker 13: Karen to get ready for the
00:14:28 Speaker 13: move, and then we'll be leading
00:14:29 Speaker 13: the home as the executive director
00:14:31 Speaker 13: going forward. So that was an
00:14:34 Speaker 13: exciting announcement to be able to
00:14:35 Speaker 13: share from the operational report. A
00:14:39 Speaker 13: couple of highlights: we had some
00:14:41 Speaker 13: really good discussion. Dana Leach, our
00:14:42 Speaker 13: clinical specialist, talked about end of
00:14:47 Speaker 13: life and palliative care practices. This
00:14:51 Speaker 13: is important because it's important to
00:14:52 Speaker 13: people's lives, and it's important because
00:14:55 Speaker 13: there's a legislative. Of encouragement and
00:14:58 Speaker 13: requirement to be implementing palliative care
00:15:00 Speaker 13: models within our long-term care homes,
00:15:02 Speaker 13: and so there was an update
00:15:05 Speaker 13: on the work happening in that
00:15:07 Speaker 13: area. Karen gave an update across
00:15:10 Speaker 13: the three homes regarding ministry inspections,
00:15:13 Speaker 13: and all three homes had visits
00:15:16 Speaker 13: from inspectors during the reporting period.
00:15:18 Speaker 13: And in addition to that, Rockwood
00:15:20 Speaker 13: Terrace had a proactive compliance inspection,
00:15:23 Speaker 13: and it used. to be called
00:15:25 Speaker 13: an RQI, a required quality inspection,
00:15:27 Speaker 13: but the name has has been
00:15:33 Speaker 13: updated to proactive compliance inspection, where
00:15:37 Speaker 13: two inspectors were on site for
00:15:39 Speaker 13: 12 days, just to give you
00:15:41 Speaker 13: a sense of how in depth
00:15:43 Speaker 13: those inspections are. Shannon gave an
00:15:47 Speaker 13: update around two emergency situations that
00:15:48 Speaker 13: happened during the reporting period, so
00:15:49 Speaker 13: both Gray Gables and Rock. So
00:15:52 Speaker 13: both Gray Gables and Rockwood Terrace
00:15:57 Speaker 13: experienced some an emergency. Gray Gables
00:15:59 Speaker 13: had an electrical fire, which resulted
00:16:01 Speaker 13: in the use of a of
00:16:03 Speaker 13: a fire extinguisher. All residents and
00:16:06 Speaker 13: staff were removed safely. Everything was
00:16:09 Speaker 13: contained. And Rockwood Terrace had the
00:16:11 Speaker 13: smell of an electrical smell, but
00:16:12 Speaker 13: the incident did not trip the
00:16:14 Speaker 13: fire alarm. and And staff followed
00:16:16 Speaker 13: the the evacuation process, and everyone
00:16:18 Speaker 13: was safe, and and everything was.
00:16:22 Speaker 13: managed and taken care of, and
00:16:23 Speaker 13: I want to just highlight that
00:16:26 Speaker 13: the training and practicing that we
00:16:28 Speaker 13: do every month, as required under
00:16:30 Speaker 13: a number of sets of legislation,
00:16:31 Speaker 13: came in handy and proved to
00:16:35 Speaker 13: be really effective. And the teams
00:16:37 Speaker 13: at both homes responded quickly, appropriately,
00:16:39 Speaker 13: and did all the right things.
00:16:41 Speaker 13: So I just wanted to do
00:16:45 Speaker 13: a well done to the team
00:16:48 Speaker 13: under very stressful situation. And finally,
00:16:50 Speaker 13: Tawlene Parkin, the executive director at
00:16:52 Speaker 13: Lee Manor. shared a colour at
00:16:55 Speaker 13: story, which we always highlight in
00:16:56 Speaker 13: our meetings. And this, this story
00:16:59 Speaker 13: that she shared was the above
00:17:02 Speaker 13: and beyond efforts that team members
00:17:05 Speaker 13: made to support a resident who
00:17:08 Speaker 13: had moved in where English they
00:17:09 Speaker 13: had lost their English skills and
00:17:11 Speaker 13: and were speaking in their native
00:17:12 Speaker 13: language. And team members stepped up.
00:17:18 Speaker 13: They used technology to learn words
00:17:21 Speaker 13: and phrases. and they even found
00:17:23 Speaker 13: a team member who was familiar
00:17:27 Speaker 13: with the language to be able
00:17:29 Speaker 13: to support that resident in a
00:17:31 Speaker 13: really difficult transition. Marcus Hanco, the
00:17:34 Speaker 13: the long term care financial manager,
00:17:37 Speaker 13: provided an up a financial update
00:17:39 Speaker 13: as of April 30th. It's it's
00:17:41 Speaker 13: important to note that April is
00:17:43 Speaker 13: still quite early to be able
00:17:46 Speaker 13: to give a really solid projection
00:17:48 Speaker 13: of where things are going. it's
00:17:51 Speaker 13: before the summer season, where people
00:17:54 Speaker 13: are on vacation, where we may
00:17:58 Speaker 13: have some staffing challenges, that kind
00:18:00 Speaker 13: of thing in terms of staffing.
00:18:03 Speaker 13: But just to highlight, at that
00:18:06 Speaker 13: time, Gray Gables was presenting to
00:18:08 Speaker 13: be over budget by 122,000. That's
00:18:10 Speaker 13: related to directly to snow removal.
00:18:12 Speaker 13: Last winter was a quite a
00:18:14 Speaker 13: harsh winter. Lee Manor is currently
00:18:16 Speaker 13: under budget. of eighty six thousand,
00:18:19 Speaker 13: and Rockwood Terrace is under budget
00:18:20 Speaker 13: around one hundred and eighty five
00:18:22 Speaker 13: thousand. But again, it's a little
00:18:24 Speaker 13: early to make those projections. Just
00:18:25 Speaker 15: enough to be able to say,
00:18:30 Speaker 15: track. It's it's looking good, and
00:18:32 Speaker 15: and we're on top of it.
00:18:33 Speaker 16: We had closed meeting matters, and
00:18:38 Speaker 16: then the meeting was adjourned. So
00:18:39 Speaker 16: thank you, and if there's any
00:18:40 Speaker 16: questions, happy to take those. Thank
00:18:41 Speaker 16: you very much. So with that,
00:18:43 Speaker 16: I'll put it out to council
00:18:44 Speaker 16: members if they have any questions.
00:18:46 Speaker 16: And a number of us were
00:18:48 Speaker 17: able to be on that tour,
00:18:51 Speaker 17: so thank you very much for
00:18:52 Speaker 17: that opportunity. It was wonderful to
00:18:54 Speaker 17: be able to actually see it
00:18:55 Speaker 18: coming to fruition after looking at
00:18:58 Speaker 19: it in many reports and many
00:19:02 Speaker 19: maps and diagrams. So with that,
00:19:04 Speaker 02: I don't see any further questions.
00:19:06 Speaker 02: Then, so thank you, Director Canal.
00:19:08 Speaker 02: I'll call the question. All those
00:19:11 Speaker 02: in favour? And that motion is
00:19:13 Speaker 02: carried. Thank you. We do have
00:19:15 Speaker 02: one more long-term care committee item.
00:19:17 Speaker 02: We it is recommended that the
00:19:20 Speaker 02: closed session of the long-term care
00:19:23 Speaker 02: committee management meeting minutes dated July
00:19:25 Speaker 02: 3rd, 2025, be adopted as provided.
00:19:26 Speaker 02: May I ask for a mover?
00:19:28 Speaker 02: Moved by Councillor Mackie, seconded by
00:19:30 Speaker 02: Councillor Dobrin. Any discussion? All those
00:19:33 Speaker 02: in favour? And that motion is
00:19:35 Speaker 02: carried. We do not have any
00:19:36 Speaker 02: closed matters to attend to this
00:19:39 Speaker 02: morning, nor reports. So we'll move
00:19:41 Speaker 02: on to the bylaws. It's recommended
00:19:43 Speaker 02: that bylaw fifty two forty three
00:19:44 Speaker 02: twenty five and fifty two forty
00:19:46 Speaker 02: four twenty five and fifty two
00:19:48 Speaker 02: forty five twenty five be introduced
00:19:50 Speaker 02: and and be taken as read
00:19:52 Speaker 02: a first second and third time
00:19:54 Speaker 02: finally passed. It's signed by the
00:19:55 Speaker 02: warden and the clerk, sealed with
00:19:58 Speaker 02: the seal of the corporation, and
00:20:01 Speaker 02: engrossed to the bylaw book. Number
00:20:04 Speaker 02: one fifty two forty three twenty
00:20:06 Speaker 02: five a bylaw to authorise the
00:20:10 Speaker 02: disposition of certain lands in the
00:20:11 Speaker 02: city of Owen Sound as described
00:20:14 Speaker 02: in Schedule A. number two, fifty-two
00:20:16 Speaker 02: forty-four twenty-five, a bylaw to amend
00:20:19 Speaker 02: Schedules D, G, H, O, and
00:20:20 Speaker 02: U of Bylaw four seven eight
00:20:22 Speaker 02: eight thirteen, being a bylaw to
00:20:23 Speaker 02: regulate traffic and parking on highways
00:20:26 Speaker 02: within Gray County, the Gray County
00:20:29 Speaker 02: Road System, and number three, fifty-two
00:20:31 Speaker 20: forty-five twenty-five, a bylaw to confirm
00:20:34 Speaker 20: all the actions and proceedings of
00:20:36 Speaker 20: the Council. May I ask for
00:20:37 Speaker 02: a mover? Moved by Councillor Dicker,
00:20:40 Speaker 02: seconded by Councillor. Hutchinson. Any discussion?
00:20:41 Speaker 02: All those in favour? And that
00:20:43 Speaker 02: motion is carried. All right. Well,
00:20:44 Speaker 02: we've already heard some excellent news
00:20:45 Speaker 02: from Director Cornell, and we don't
00:20:47 Speaker 02: have any other special staff announcements
00:20:49 Speaker 02: this morning because I think we've
00:20:53 Speaker 02: had so many good news stories
00:20:54 Speaker 21: in the last few council meetings.
00:21:00 Speaker 22: We're we're going to take a
00:21:04 Speaker 23: pause and open it out to
00:21:07 Speaker 24: our council members to share news
00:21:10 Speaker 25: and celebrations from our municipalities. Who
00:21:13 Speaker 26: would like to go first? We'll
00:21:16 Speaker 26: start with Councillor Councillor. Start with
00:21:18 Speaker 27: council, council body. Well, this one,
00:21:21 Speaker 28: Ron. Okay, I don't know what
00:21:23 Speaker 28: that other button is. Exciting to
00:21:24 Speaker 28: share some some pretty good good
00:21:26 Speaker 29: news. On Sound Northstar's girls field
00:21:28 Speaker 29: lacrosse team, under fifteen U fifteen
00:21:29 Speaker 30: team, won the gold medal in
00:21:34 Speaker 30: the B division of the provincial
00:21:36 Speaker 30: championship. And 100 years ago, I
00:21:38 Speaker 30: bunched coached a bunch. Go a
00:21:39 Speaker 30: bunch coached a bunch of kids
00:21:43 Speaker 30: and we got to I think
00:21:49 Speaker 30: the top four and it's really
00:21:52 Speaker 30: difficult to win the provincials so
00:21:55 Speaker 30: that's pretty impressive. Also, the U19
00:21:56 Speaker 30: girls field lacrosse team won the
00:22:00 Speaker 31: bronze in the B division. So
00:22:04 Speaker 31: congratulations to both those teams. That's
00:22:07 Speaker 31: it's really impressive. Coming up is
00:22:08 Speaker 31: the On Sound Emancipation Picnic or
00:22:10 Speaker 31: Festival, 163rd year. So it's the
00:22:11 Speaker 30: longest. and continuously running emancipation event
00:22:14 Speaker 32: in North America. Probably one of
00:22:18 Speaker 33: the longest running events. That's Saturday
00:22:21 Speaker 34: of the long weekend. It's going
00:22:24 Speaker 34: to be August second at Harrison
00:22:25 Speaker 34: Park. It's a really neat event.
00:22:26 Speaker 34: It's great music, and all the
00:22:29 Speaker 34: families come back from all over.
00:22:31 Speaker 34: And it's it's pretty interesting to
00:22:34 Speaker 34: be there. Thanks. Thank you, and
00:22:36 Speaker 34: we'll go to Councillor Kibany. Thank
00:22:38 Speaker 34: you, Warden Matrousovs, and good morning,
00:22:40 Speaker 34: everyone. Just want to share a
00:22:43 Speaker 34: couple of events that are happening
00:22:45 Speaker 34: in Meaford this Saturday, the 26th,
00:22:47 Speaker 34: is the Pet Expo, and this
00:22:49 Speaker 34: is a huge pet-friendly event with
00:22:51 Speaker 34: over 100 vendors at our community
00:22:53 Speaker 34: centre, and there will be lots
00:22:54 Speaker 34: of food and games and a
00:22:57 Speaker 34: full family event there. And the
00:22:58 Speaker 34: following weekend, from August the 1st
00:23:00 Speaker 34: to the 3rd, is our fourth
00:23:02 Speaker 34: annual Summerfest, and that is the
00:23:03 Speaker 34: Poutine. Fest, where a number of
00:23:05 Speaker 34: our restaurants are participating. Everybody makes
00:23:06 Speaker 34: a different type of poutine, so
00:23:08 Speaker 34: you'll want to try those out.
00:23:10 Speaker 34: Friday is Movie Under the Stars.
00:23:11 Speaker 35: It's going to be The Goonies,
00:23:16 Speaker 35: so family friendly and lots of
00:23:18 Speaker 36: fun. And there will be vendors
00:23:22 Speaker 36: in the Market Square. Over seventy
00:23:24 Speaker 36: vendors will be in the Market
00:23:32 Speaker 36: Square with live music all day
00:23:33 Speaker 36: Saturday and Sunday. So, as I
00:23:35 Speaker 36: always say, Meerschaum is a place
00:23:35 Speaker 36: to be. Thank you. Thank you.
00:23:37 Speaker 36: And around the council table, looking
00:23:40 Speaker 37: for. any others. Okay, not seeing
00:23:44 Speaker 37: any further hands up, so we'll
11 Adjournment
Council carried a motion to adjourn, with no discussion recorded.
00:23:45 Speaker 37: move on to adjournment. And that
00:23:46 Speaker 38: important. Okay, so with that, then
00:23:56 Speaker 38: we'll just do a motion to
00:23:57 Speaker 38: adjourn. May I ask for a
00:23:59 Speaker 38: mover? Moved by Councillor McQueen, seconded
00:24:01 Speaker 38: by Councillor McKay. Any discussion? All
00:24:03 Speaker 38: those in favour? And that motion
00:24:04 Speaker 39: is carried. Okay, we'll just give
00:24:07 Speaker 39: a few moments to switch over.
00:24:09 Speaker 39: to the Committee of the Whole.
00:24:12 Speaker 39: Thank you. So I'll now proceed
00:24:13 Speaker 39: with the Committee of the Whole
00:24:15 Speaker 39: of July twenty fourth, twenty twenty
00:24:17 Speaker 39: five. I'll call to order this
00:24:19 Speaker 39: business and ask if there are
00:24:21 Speaker 39: any declarations of interest. See no
00:24:23 Speaker 03: hands go up. We can proceed.
00:24:36 Speaker 03: We do not have any business
00:24:38 Speaker 03: arising for minutes, and with that,
00:24:39 Speaker 40: we have one delegation. So this.
00:24:42 Speaker 41: morning, I'm going to first invite
00:24:45 Speaker 41: Ms. Buckton, as our senior policy
00:24:47 Speaker 41: planner, to come up and make
00:24:49 Speaker 42: introductions before we get into the
00:24:51 Speaker 42: archaeological management plan deputation. Wonderful, thank
00:24:53 Speaker 42: you very much. I'm really excited
00:24:56 Speaker 42: to be here today and to
00:24:58 Speaker 43: have some staff from Team HC
00:25:01 Speaker 44: Consulting joining us for presentation. so
00:25:03 Speaker 44: I'll just do a very brief
00:25:05 Speaker 44: introduction before we turn that
00:25:07 Speaker 42: over. This morning we will have
00:25:09 Speaker 42: two representatives from TMC Inc. joining
00:25:11 Speaker 42: us to present regarding the archaeological
00:25:12 Speaker 45: potential model that they've prepared for
00:25:15 Speaker 45: us in relation to the archaeological
00:25:17 Speaker 42: management plan. Joining us today is
00:25:21 Speaker 42: Dr. Holly Martell. Holly is a
00:25:24 Speaker 42: principal with TMC, a skilled archaeologist,
00:25:26 Speaker 42: project manager, and relationship builder, and
00:25:28 Speaker 42: we've been so very fortunate to
00:25:31 Speaker 42: have her as project. lead for
00:25:34 Speaker 42: the model preparation component of the
00:25:36 Speaker 42: app project. Holly is joined today
00:25:39 Speaker 42: by Dr. John Moody, Team HC's
00:25:41 Speaker 42: digital applications manager and the GIS
00:25:44 Speaker 42: lead for the project. John has
00:25:46 Speaker 42: over fifteen years of experience working
00:25:48 Speaker 42: on various facets of archaeology projects
00:25:49 Speaker 42: and is an innovator in his
00:25:50 Speaker 42: field relating to data collection, management,
00:25:53 Speaker 42: and presentation through technology. And certainly,
00:25:55 Speaker 42: we benefited from John's expertise. as
00:25:57 Speaker 42: well in preparation of the JS-based
00:25:59 Speaker 42: model as they'll present to you
00:26:00 Speaker 42: today. So I think the intention
00:26:01 Speaker 42: is this one being related to
00:26:03 Speaker 46: the project will be a little
00:26:06 Speaker 46: bit longer than our usual delegation.
00:26:06 Speaker 46: So they've got lots of information
00:26:08 Speaker 47: to share with us today. We'll
00:26:11 Speaker 47: have an opportunity for some questions,
00:26:14 Speaker 02: and then we'll also be presenting
00:26:16 Speaker 02: the staff report just a little
00:26:18 Speaker 02: bit later. So there'll be some
00:26:20 Speaker 02: further discussion opportunity then. But I
00:26:22 Speaker 02: won't take up any more time.
00:26:23 Speaker 02: I'll just pass that along to
00:26:24 Speaker 02: NHC. To Team HC, thank you
00:26:26 Speaker 02: so much. Okay, thank you. So,
00:26:28 Speaker 02: welcome, Ms. Martell and Mr. Moody,
00:26:37 Speaker 02: for for your presentation this morning.
00:26:39 Speaker 02: And Council will listen, and then
00:26:41 Speaker 02: we'll ask questions of clarification to
00:26:44 Speaker 02: you while you're here. And then,
00:26:46 Speaker 02: of course, we'll have a
00:26:48 Speaker 48: further discussion when the actual report
00:26:53 Speaker 48: comes forward later in the agenda.
00:26:54 Speaker 48: So, with that, welcome, and the
00:26:55 Speaker 48: floor is yours. Thank you. so
00:26:57 Speaker 48: much, Warden and Council, and Liz
00:26:58 Speaker 49: for inviting us to come and
00:27:00 Speaker 49: present to you today on the
00:27:02 Speaker 49: progress and findings of the preparation
00:27:04 Speaker 50: of the archaeological management plan for
00:27:07 Speaker 50: Gray County. Just to give you
00:27:10 Speaker 50: a little bit of an overview
00:27:11 Speaker 50: of what we're going to talk
00:27:13 Speaker 50: about today, we wanted to give
00:27:16 Speaker 50: sort of a high level summary
00:27:17 Speaker 50: of archaeology in Gray County. Talk
00:27:19 Speaker 50: a little bit about the goals
00:27:21 Speaker 51: of the archaeological management plan. discuss
00:27:27 Speaker 51: how we've developed the archaeological potential
00:27:31 Speaker 51: model or that planning layer that's
00:27:33 Speaker 51: used in a planning context. What
00:27:35 Speaker 51: the methodology was for data collection,
00:27:36 Speaker 50: how we've compiled that layer, how
00:27:39 Speaker 50: it will be used in the
00:27:41 Speaker 50: planning context going forward, and current
00:27:43 Speaker 50: status of the project, and
00:27:46 Speaker 50: discuss some next steps. Yeah, archaeology
00:27:48 Speaker 50: in Gray County is something that
00:27:50 Speaker 50: is a lot of community
00:27:53 Speaker 50: members are very passionate about. There
00:27:56 Speaker 50: is a high level of archaeological
00:27:58 Speaker 50: significance throughout various areas in Grey
00:28:01 Speaker 50: County, and the county actually contains
00:28:03 Speaker 50: some of the oldest and most
00:28:07 Speaker 50: significant known archaeological sites in Ontario,
00:28:10 Speaker 50: dating back over ten thousand years
00:28:11 Speaker 50: old. To date, one hundred ninety-nine
00:28:13 Speaker 50: registered archaeological exists in the archaeological
00:28:17 Speaker 50: sites exist in the county, and
00:28:20 Speaker 50: those include both Indigenous and historic
00:28:23 Speaker 50: settler sites. Ninety-one of those
00:28:26 Speaker 50: are Indigenous. villages, camps, and burial
00:28:28 Speaker 50: sites, which all together offer evidence
00:28:31 Speaker 50: of continuous indigenous presence in the
00:28:37 Speaker 50: county from at least the end
00:28:40 Speaker 50: of the last ice age
00:28:43 Speaker 50: to the present day. Early efforts
00:28:46 Speaker 50: at archaeological conservation in Gregg County
00:28:50 Speaker 50: really came at the hands of
00:28:51 Speaker 50: really passionate individuals, researchers like Peter
00:28:54 Speaker 50: Stork, for example, and Dr. William
00:28:57 Speaker 50: Fitzgerald, who are very interested. in
00:28:59 Speaker 50: understanding past Indigenous life in the
00:29:01 Speaker 50: county, and we're undertaking research
00:29:04 Speaker 50: alongside avocationalists and concerned citizens
00:29:06 Speaker 50: who were watching out for very
00:29:09 Speaker 50: precious archaeological resources and trying to
00:29:10 Speaker 50: take efforts to make sure they
00:29:13 Speaker 50: were documented and protected in threat
00:29:16 Speaker 50: of ensuing development. A lot of
00:29:18 Speaker 50: early efforts were concentrated in the
00:29:20 Speaker 50: nineteen. were concentrated in the 1980s
00:29:22 Speaker 50: under the umbrella of a provincial
00:29:24 Speaker 50: ministry responsible for archaeology. There was
00:29:28 Speaker 50: an archaeological conservation programme, and folks
00:29:31 Speaker 50: like Charlie and Ella Garrard, you
00:29:33 Speaker 50: might be familiar with, with their
00:29:36 Speaker 50: names, and Mike and Christine Kirby,
00:29:38 Speaker 50: worked tirelessly on on weekends and
00:29:41 Speaker 50: and evenings to go out and
00:29:43 Speaker 50: document sites and make sure they're
00:29:45 Speaker 50: identified and protected. And at that
00:29:47 Speaker 50: time, there was no municipal or
00:29:49 Speaker 50: planning framework to to really address.
00:29:52 Speaker 50: the conservation of archaeological resources, and
00:29:53 Speaker 50: no legislation to support that, or
00:29:55 Speaker 50: a requirement for archaeological assessments to
00:29:57 Speaker 50: be undertaken at that time, so
00:30:00 Speaker 50: their efforts were really important. Today,
00:30:02 Speaker 50: what we know about archaeology in
00:30:04 Speaker 50: Gray County really stems back to
00:30:09 Speaker 50: their work. A lot of those
00:30:11 Speaker 50: register sites we know about are
00:30:13 Speaker 50: comprised of the bulk of registered
00:30:14 Speaker 50: sites still unknown about in Gray
00:30:17 Speaker 50: County. But when we look at
00:30:19 Speaker 50: the number of sites in the
00:30:21 Speaker 50: county in relation to the land
00:30:24 Speaker 50: mass. Gray counties, you know, got
00:30:25 Speaker 50: this Van Lats land mass of
00:30:27 Speaker 50: 4,500 square kilometres. The 199 sites
00:30:30 Speaker 50: is really, really a very small
00:30:32 Speaker 50: number, and is not representative in
00:30:34 Speaker 50: any way of the number of
00:30:37 Speaker 50: sites that are actually out there.
00:30:41 Speaker 50: When we look in comparison
00:30:43 Speaker 50: to, say, a smaller municipality like
00:30:48 Speaker 50: the city of London, for example,
00:30:49 Speaker 50: which is a tenth of the
00:30:51 Speaker 50: size. of Gray County. There are
00:30:54 Speaker 50: over 500 registered sites known there
00:30:55 Speaker 50: now, and a lot of that
00:30:57 Speaker 50: dates back to the early development
00:30:59 Speaker 50: of an archaeological management plan in
00:31:01 Speaker 50: the mid 90s and sort of
00:31:04 Speaker 50: rigorous implementation of archaeological conservation within
00:31:06 Speaker 50: the planning context. When we look
00:31:08 Speaker 50: also at the registered sites, here's
00:31:11 Speaker 50: a map on the right that
00:31:12 Speaker 50: shows where they're distributed across. the
00:31:15 Speaker 50: county, you can see that there's
00:31:18 Speaker 50: quite a bit of difference. Many
00:31:20 Speaker 50: of the sites we know about
00:31:23 Speaker 50: are concentrated in the areas where
00:31:26 Speaker 50: those researchers have looked in
00:31:29 Speaker 50: the historic territories of the Payton,
00:31:32 Speaker 50: for example, in the Beaver Valley,
00:31:34 Speaker 50: or they're concentrated in municipalities and
00:31:36 Speaker 50: those areas that have witnessed a
00:31:39 Speaker 50: lot of land development. For example,
00:31:43 Speaker 50: along Highway 26 and those lakeside
00:31:45 Speaker 50: areas where the county has witnessed
00:31:47 Speaker 50: a lot of residential. and commercial
00:31:50 Speaker 50: development, a lot of roadworks to
00:31:53 Speaker 52: improve transportation and infrastructure networks. We
00:31:55 Speaker 52: also have sites documented in areas
00:31:57 Speaker 50: that have been subject to survey
00:32:00 Speaker 50: for some of those aggregate pits
00:32:02 Speaker 50: that, you know, delving into the
00:32:05 Speaker 50: the rich aggregate resources in the
00:32:07 Speaker 50: county. But for the most part,
00:32:09 Speaker 50: the the sites are are being
00:32:12 Speaker 50: found where we've been looking, but
00:32:14 Speaker 50: we're not necessarily. identifying potential in
00:32:16 Speaker 50: all areas of the county. If
00:32:17 Speaker 50: you can see on the map
00:32:20 Speaker 50: too that many of the lower
00:32:23 Speaker 50: tier municipalities, some of the historic
00:32:24 Speaker 50: township, have no or very few
00:32:27 Speaker 50: archaeological sites recorded so far, and
00:32:33 Speaker 50: that is often a reflection of
00:32:34 Speaker 50: a lack of survey and assessment
00:32:39 Speaker 50: that's been done. Some related to
00:32:42 Speaker 50: the fact that those areas
00:32:46 Speaker 50: just don't see much in the
00:32:50 Speaker 50: way of land development, but
00:32:51 Speaker 50: in other cases. it's a product
00:32:53 Speaker 50: of the planning context and some
00:32:56 Speaker 50: uncertainty around how and when
00:32:59 Speaker 50: an archaeological assessment should be undertaken.
00:33:03 Speaker 50: Today, there is legislation, and since
00:33:05 Speaker 50: the 1990s, there is a
00:33:08 Speaker 50: legislation and policy and regulatory framework
00:33:11 Speaker 50: that makes municipalities in Ontario
00:33:16 Speaker 50: responsible for archaeological conservation. The provincial
00:33:19 Speaker 50: planning statement, in particular. requires that
00:33:21 Speaker 50: planning authorities shall not permit development
00:33:24 Speaker 50: and site alteration on lands
00:33:26 Speaker 50: containing archaeological resources or areas of
00:33:28 Speaker 50: archaeological potential unless the significant archaeological
00:33:31 Speaker 50: resources have been conserved. The Planning
00:33:33 Speaker 50: Act calls for recognition of archaeological
00:33:36 Speaker 50: resources, and the Ontario Heritage Act
00:33:38 Speaker 50: offers protection for registered archaeological sites
00:33:41 Speaker 50: in the province. Municipalities across Ontario,
00:33:43 Speaker 50: Grey County being one of them,
00:33:45 Speaker 50: have often been challenged to manage
00:33:48 Speaker 50: archaeology and these archaeological interests and
00:33:51 Speaker 50: meet those provincial requirements. And there's
00:33:54 Speaker 50: a number of reasons for that.
00:33:55 Speaker 50: Identifying those areas of concern or
00:33:57 Speaker 50: interest where archaeological sites might be,
00:34:00 Speaker 50: where there is archaeological potential, is
00:34:02 Speaker 50: not an easy thing to do.
00:34:05 Speaker 50: The information to make those evaluations
00:34:09 Speaker 50: is very hard to access. It's
00:34:12 Speaker 50: not consistently updated or not consolidated
00:34:16 Speaker 50: in one place. There's often uncertainty
00:34:18 Speaker 50: about when and where to require
00:34:21 Speaker 50: archaeological assessment, and it can
00:34:24 Speaker 50: be approached differently by different planners
00:34:27 Speaker 50: at various tiers, lower and upper,
00:34:29 Speaker 50: and it can vary based on
00:34:31 Speaker 50: the type of application being put
00:34:36 Speaker 50: forth in a planning context or
00:34:39 Speaker 50: the legislative requirements. But noting that
00:34:41 Speaker 50: the consequences for not identifying archaeological
00:34:44 Speaker 50: interests, as we all know, with
00:34:46 Speaker 50: recent press findings across Ontario can
00:34:48 Speaker 50: be very difficult to navigate. Particularly
00:34:51 Speaker 50: as Indigenous communities are expecting more
00:34:53 Speaker 50: and asserting their treaty and
00:34:56 Speaker 53: territorial rights and interests with respect
00:34:58 Speaker 53: to their archaeological heritage. So the
00:35:01 Speaker 53: goals of the archaeological management plan,
00:35:02 Speaker 53: or AMP, for short, is
00:35:05 Speaker 50: to help. a municipality, or in
00:35:08 Speaker 50: this case, help Grey County, meet
00:35:12 Speaker 50: their responsibilities under the Planning Act
00:35:14 Speaker 50: and provincial policy statement. And it
00:35:17 Speaker 50: can an AMP can help develop
00:35:19 Speaker 50: a good understanding of where archaeological
00:35:21 Speaker 50: resources are, or are currently known
00:35:24 Speaker 50: within the county, or might be
00:35:26 Speaker 50: located. Can create a clear process
00:35:31 Speaker 50: for addressing archaeological interests in the
00:35:33 Speaker 50: planning context. Can help establish a
00:35:36 Speaker 50: consistent and transparent. Distant and transparent
00:35:38 Speaker 50: process for requiring archaeological assessments as
00:35:41 Speaker 50: part of the Planning Act and
00:35:44 Speaker 50: other municipal projects and approvals, and
00:35:47 Speaker 50: define a better process for
00:35:49 Speaker 50: engaging Indigenous communities when and
00:35:53 Speaker 50: where their heritage is affected by
00:35:59 Speaker 50: land use changes approved by the
00:36:01 Speaker 50: county. It's also acknowledged that an
00:36:04 Speaker 50: AMP can help address Indigenous interests
00:36:07 Speaker 50: in archaeology, and and again going
00:36:09 Speaker 50: back to the provincial planning
00:36:13 Speaker 50: statement. it suggests or or requires
00:36:16 Speaker 50: planning authorities shall engage early with
00:36:19 Speaker 50: indigenous communities and ensure their interests
00:36:22 Speaker 50: are considered when identifying, protecting and
00:36:28 Speaker 50: managing archaeological resources, built heritage resources
00:36:31 Speaker 50: and cultural heritage landscapes. So what
00:36:32 Speaker 50: is an archaeological management plan? It's
00:36:34 Speaker 50: essentially a planning tool for municipalities
00:36:38 Speaker 50: to use to manage, in other.
00:36:41 Speaker 50: words, to identify, to conserve, and
00:36:45 Speaker 50: protect archaeological resources within their jurisdiction.
00:36:48 Speaker 50: It really helps establish a
00:36:50 Speaker 50: clear planning framework to plan for
00:36:53 Speaker 50: the the better conservation of archaeological
00:36:57 Speaker 50: resources. An AMP is essentially a
00:36:59 Speaker 50: very collabourative process. We don't do
00:37:01 Speaker 50: this on our own. We take
00:37:04 Speaker 50: into account the information, the expertise,
00:37:08 Speaker 50: the. experience, that a variety of
00:37:11 Speaker 50: planners, both at the county level
00:37:13 Speaker 50: and private private planners, developers, individuals
00:37:15 Speaker 50: who interact with archaeology and archaeological
00:37:18 Speaker 50: assessment requirements on a daily basis,
00:37:20 Speaker 50: the city is or the
00:37:24 Speaker 50: county has developed a technical advisory
00:37:27 Speaker 50: committee, which has helped us along
00:37:29 Speaker 50: the way within this process.
00:37:31 Speaker 50: We've engaged with indigenous and descendant
00:37:34 Speaker 50: communities. including Saugeen Ojibway Nation, who
00:37:37 Speaker 50: have had a leading role, historic
00:37:40 Speaker 50: Saugeen Métis Six Nations, many of
00:37:44 Speaker 50: those communities that were identified in
00:37:47 Speaker 50: your land acknowledgement today. We've been
00:37:50 Speaker 50: working with the local Black heritage
00:37:53 Speaker 50: communities as well, stakeholders, museums throughout
00:37:55 Speaker 50: the county or beyond the county
00:37:57 Speaker 50: that may have information about archaeological
00:37:59 Speaker 50: resources and collections from Grey County.
00:38:02 Speaker 50: Gray County, local historical and archaeological
00:38:03 Speaker 50: organisations, community groups, and of course
00:38:06 Speaker 50: local archaeologists with expertise in this
00:38:09 Speaker 50: area. There are two components
00:38:12 Speaker 50: essentially of the archaeological management plan.
00:38:15 Speaker 50: One is the archaeological potential model,
00:38:18 Speaker 50: which is essentially a GIS-based map
00:38:20 Speaker 50: or planning layer or planning layers
00:38:23 Speaker 50: and data that informs those layers.
00:38:28 Speaker 50: In the compilation of that, has
00:38:29 Speaker 50: been the responsibility of T. Responsibility
00:38:32 Speaker 50: of TMHC, and that's what we're
00:38:34 Speaker 50: going to talk most about today.
00:38:38 Speaker 50: Alongside that, the Gray County Planning
00:38:41 Speaker 50: Department is preparing policy, planning, and
00:38:42 Speaker 50: implementation framework, which will develop the
00:38:44 Speaker 50: procedures and approach for utilising that
00:38:46 Speaker 50: GIS map or planning layer, that
00:38:47 Speaker 50: archaeological potential model, addressing how that
00:38:50 Speaker 50: will be used within making planning
00:38:52 Speaker 50: decisions. So today, as I said,
00:38:55 Speaker 50: we're going to speak to the
00:38:57 Speaker 50: archaeological potential model and our methodology
00:39:00 Speaker 50: for establishing that model and planning
00:39:02 Speaker 50: tool. Building the model, we have
00:39:04 Speaker 50: used a series of steps. They're
00:39:06 Speaker 50: kind of a logical set of
00:39:10 Speaker 50: steps that we've taken to create
00:39:12 Speaker 50: a number of layers that we
00:39:15 Speaker 50: can then compile into an overall
00:39:18 Speaker 50: planning tool or a composite layer
00:39:20 Speaker 50: to be used by planning staff.
00:39:22 Speaker 50: The first step is to map
00:39:24 Speaker 50: the archaeological sets. sites in the
00:39:27 Speaker 50: county, so we wanted to
00:39:29 Speaker 50: gather all that data on the
00:39:31 Speaker 50: registered archaeological sites that are known
00:39:33 Speaker 50: within the county. Registered sites
00:39:37 Speaker 50: are kept in an inventory that
00:39:40 Speaker 50: is maintained by the Ministry of
00:39:43 Speaker 50: Citizenship and Multiculturalism within a provincial
00:39:45 Speaker 50: registry or database. So we've collected
00:39:48 Speaker 50: that information, but we also wanted
00:39:50 Speaker 50: to supplement that, knowing that there
00:39:52 Speaker 50: has been sort of, you know,
00:39:56 Speaker 50: relatively. little archaeological assessment done, particularly
00:39:57 Speaker 50: in certain parts of Gray County.
00:40:00 Speaker 50: So we wanted to supplement those
00:40:02 Speaker 50: registered sites' information with information that
00:40:05 Speaker 50: suggests that archaeological sites have been
00:40:08 Speaker 50: found, potentially not registered, or may
00:40:10 Speaker 50: exist in other areas but have
00:40:12 Speaker 54: not been confirmed by an archaeologist.
00:40:16 Speaker 54: So the map of archaeological sites,
00:40:18 Speaker 54: then our whole data set of
00:40:20 Speaker 50: of known archaeological findings, comes from.
00:40:23 Speaker 50: sites that have been confirmed and
00:40:24 Speaker 50: identified by archaeologists, but others that
00:40:27 Speaker 50: have just been reported with in
00:40:30 Speaker 50: historical documents, whether those be maps,
00:40:32 Speaker 50: newspapers, accounts, some oral histories, or
00:40:34 Speaker 50: other information, museum collections that suggest
00:40:37 Speaker 50: that sites could be present on
00:40:41 Speaker 50: lands within the county. To give
00:40:43 Speaker 50: you a summary, the map on
00:40:46 Speaker 50: the right shows the locations of
00:40:48 Speaker 50: the archaeological sites that we've included
00:40:51 Speaker 50: in our model that. we are
00:40:52 Speaker 50: aware of, as I said, 199
00:40:55 Speaker 50: of those are registered. We've we've
00:40:58 Speaker 50: got sites that came directly from
00:41:01 Speaker 50: the database and the ministry source
00:41:03 Speaker 50: directly. We've done through further investigation
00:41:05 Speaker 50: found an additional 40 registered sites
00:41:06 Speaker 50: there, bringing the total to 199.
00:41:08 Speaker 50: As I said earlier, about half,
00:41:14 Speaker 50: almost half of those have an
00:41:16 Speaker 50: indigenous component to them, and the
00:41:19 Speaker 50: other half relating to sort of
00:41:20 Speaker 50: historic settler sites, the sites that
00:41:24 Speaker 50: we've supplemented, those sites that are
00:41:27 Speaker 50: unregistered in the present provincial database,
00:41:29 Speaker 50: and those may be fine spots
00:41:31 Speaker 50: of single artifacts that archaeologists have
00:41:33 Speaker 50: found over the years, but might
00:41:37 Speaker 50: have not have met the threshold
00:41:40 Speaker 50: for provincial registration. Fine spots, including
00:41:42 Speaker 50: historical references or site leads, areas
00:41:45 Speaker 50: where sites may be known to
00:41:46 Speaker 50: have existed but have not yet
00:41:48 Speaker 50: been confirmed. by an archaeologist. We
00:41:52 Speaker 50: also, as part of this compilation
00:41:55 Speaker 50: of this map, verified the site
00:41:57 Speaker 50: locations through comparison with reports and
00:42:00 Speaker 50: make sure that the data was
00:42:04 Speaker 50: highly accurate. The second step
00:42:07 Speaker 50: of building the archaeological model
00:42:10 Speaker 50: was then to map areas of
00:42:13 Speaker 50: archaeological potential. So, where are those
00:42:15 Speaker 50: areas where sites that maybe have
00:42:18 Speaker 50: not yet been found,
00:42:21 Speaker 50: but there is potential for sites
00:42:24 Speaker 50: to exist? that process is
00:42:27 Speaker 50: very much guided by standards and
00:42:31 Speaker 50: guidelines that are established by the
00:42:34 Speaker 50: Ministry of Citizenship and Multiculturalism, who
00:42:36 Speaker 50: provide some baseline criteria for predicting
00:42:38 Speaker 50: where archaeological sites might exist and
00:42:40 Speaker 50: evaluating, evaluating or identifying archaeological potential.
00:42:42 Speaker 50: Some of the example criteria that
00:42:44 Speaker 50: are used to signal archaeological potential
00:42:47 Speaker 50: include the presence of watercourses, wetlands,
00:42:50 Speaker 50: glacial shorelines, historic settlement features like
00:42:53 Speaker 50: churches or mapped buildings, transportation routes
00:42:54 Speaker 50: like early roadways or trails, portages,
00:42:56 Speaker 50: and resource areas. And we know
00:43:00 Speaker 50: for we know that Grey County
00:43:02 Speaker 50: has one of the primary sources
00:43:03 Speaker 50: for Indigenous toolstone in all of
00:43:06 Speaker 50: the province, used throughout the Great
00:43:08 Speaker 50: Lakes, and it's a very important
00:43:10 Speaker 50: part of that Indigenous. history in
00:43:16 Speaker 50: Gray County. So to prepare a
00:43:18 Speaker 50: map of archaeological potential, basically we
00:43:21 Speaker 50: and John have spent a lot
00:43:23 Speaker 50: of time doing this, identifying the
00:43:25 Speaker 50: various physical features, historic features from
00:43:27 Speaker 50: historic maps and so on, put
00:43:30 Speaker 50: those in a into a GIS
00:43:33 Speaker 50: map and a database, and from
00:43:35 Speaker 50: those features we establish a distance
00:43:39 Speaker 50: buffer around those features
00:43:43 Speaker 50: and create an area of archaeological
00:43:46 Speaker 50: potential. Within the model, we've created
00:43:49 Speaker 50: two key layers of archaeological potential.
00:43:52 Speaker 50: One of those is an indigenous
00:43:56 Speaker 50: archaeological potential layer. The other is
00:43:59 Speaker 50: a historic or a municipal settlement
00:44:02 Speaker 50: period or settlement area map of
00:44:06 Speaker 50: potential. We map these separately because
00:44:09 Speaker 50: they are very much tied to
00:44:11 Speaker 50: traditional land uses, different systems of
00:44:13 Speaker 50: land management, resource resource utilization, where
00:44:16 Speaker 50: indigenous. archaeological potential is very much
00:44:18 Speaker 50: tied to traditional knowledge and land
00:44:20 Speaker 50: use, oriented around seasonal cycles, hunting,
00:44:24 Speaker 50: fishing, the gathering of traditional resources
00:44:26 Speaker 50: like medicines and edible plants, very
00:44:28 Speaker 50: much heavily heavily centreed on water.
00:44:31 Speaker 50: Water is life, of course, to
00:44:37 Speaker 50: indigenous communities. The historic or municipal
00:44:41 Speaker 50: settlement era potential is really much
00:44:44 Speaker 50: geared to or or based on
00:44:47 Speaker 50: a colonial land-based management system, so
00:44:48 Speaker 50: we look at settlement lots and
00:44:51 Speaker 50: early buildings and industries. It's heavily
00:44:53 Speaker 50: centreed on transportation routes because those
00:44:55 Speaker 50: are are what encouraged settlement to
00:44:58 Speaker 50: occur in the first place. And
00:45:00 Speaker 50: of course, we look at the
00:45:03 Speaker 50: registered sites relating to both indigenous
00:45:05 Speaker 50: and historic settlement when we develop
00:45:07 Speaker 50: those mapping layers. The third step
00:45:10 Speaker 50: of building the archaeological potential map
00:45:12 Speaker 50: is to also map all of
00:45:15 Speaker 50: those areas that's been previously studied.
00:45:17 Speaker 50: One of the challenges to know
00:45:20 Speaker 50: where and when an archaeological assessment
00:45:21 Speaker 50: has been taken place has taken
00:45:24 Speaker 50: place in the past, and also
00:45:27 Speaker 50: what its status is. So, archaeological
00:45:29 Speaker 50: assessments are done in various stages,
00:45:32 Speaker 50: and sometimes there's only a background
00:45:36 Speaker 50: study that's done. Sometimes there's an
00:45:39 Speaker 50: intensive survey. Sometimes lands are cleared
00:45:41 Speaker 50: of archaeological concern, and sometimes there's
00:45:43 Speaker 50: still some lingering interest. Maybe some
00:45:47 Speaker 50: sites have been registered and not
00:45:48 Speaker 50: yet fully mitigated. So, for a
00:45:51 Speaker 50: planner to evaluate and know the
00:45:52 Speaker 50: status of archaeological interests on a
00:45:56 Speaker 50: particular property is critical, and that
00:46:00 Speaker 50: information is hard to collect in
00:46:04 Speaker 50: the current system without sort of
00:46:07 Speaker 50: comprehensive mapping of these areas of
00:46:08 Speaker 50: previous assessment. and backup data that
00:46:10 Speaker 50: indicate what the particular status of
00:46:13 Speaker 50: archaeological interests on a specific land
00:46:14 Speaker 50: parcel are. So, in terms of
00:46:17 Speaker 50: that, we've created a map of
00:46:20 Speaker 50: all the archaeological assessments and studies
00:46:21 Speaker 50: that we were able to identify.
00:46:24 Speaker 50: We did identify 567 in Gray
00:46:26 Speaker 50: County. We were able to obtain
00:46:29 Speaker 50: 551 of those reports. We could
00:46:33 Speaker 50: not. obtain sixteen. Most of those
00:46:35 Speaker 50: are very old, and nobody seems
00:46:38 Speaker 50: to be able to find
00:46:41 Speaker 50: them anymore. The reports, many of
00:46:44 Speaker 50: them, are stored in a provincial
00:46:46 Speaker 50: database managed by that ministry. Again,
00:46:49 Speaker 50: but they can often get lost.
00:46:52 Speaker 50: Some of the old records are
00:46:54 Speaker 50: particularly hard to find. Tracking the
00:46:57 Speaker 50: status can also be challenging with
00:47:00 Speaker 50: changes in the ministry administration as
00:47:02 Speaker 50: well. We note that close to
00:47:04 Speaker 50: half of those. Almost a half
00:47:06 Speaker 50: of those reports were completed prior
00:47:09 Speaker 50: to the contemporary standards and guidelines
00:47:12 Speaker 50: for consultant archaeologists, which were passed
00:47:13 Speaker 50: in 2011. And those are both
00:47:19 Speaker 50: the best practice and regulatory standards
00:47:22 Speaker 50: that that are required to be
00:47:25 Speaker 50: met for archaeological interests to be
00:47:26 Speaker 50: considered in the province. So
00:47:28 Speaker 50: we have tagged all of those
00:47:30 Speaker 50: reports, noting that some of those
00:47:32 Speaker 50: older reports done prior to the
00:47:34 Speaker 50: contemporary Courts done prior to the
00:47:39 Speaker 50: contemporary standards may need a second
00:47:41 Speaker 50: look. May need some engagement with
00:47:42 Speaker 50: indigenous communities. May need some further
00:47:46 Speaker 50: clarification before it can be determined
00:47:50 Speaker 50: that lands are clear of archaeological
00:47:55 Speaker 50: concern. Finally, the last step, kind
00:47:57 Speaker 50: of in in, are building the
00:47:58 Speaker 50: archaeological map, is to map and
00:48:00 Speaker 50: remove areas where there is no
00:48:03 Speaker 50: further archaeological interest, either because they've
00:48:06 Speaker 50: been cleared by previous studies or
00:48:07 Speaker 50: where. there's deep land impacts that
00:48:09 Speaker 50: have removed the possibility of archaeological
00:48:12 Speaker 50: resources to be present, and the
00:48:15 Speaker 50: map on the right again shows
00:48:18 Speaker 50: areas that we have mapped that
00:48:22 Speaker 50: no longer have integrity or no
00:48:24 Speaker 50: longer have archaeological interest because they
00:48:27 Speaker 50: have been falsely studied. So when
00:48:30 Speaker 50: we developed this layer, again
00:48:32 Speaker 50: we looked at those all of
00:48:35 Speaker 50: those previous studies. All of those
00:48:37 Speaker 50: previous assessments, and we've been able
00:48:41 Speaker 50: to tag where archaeological concerns have
00:48:43 Speaker 50: been fully addressed. That would mean
00:48:46 Speaker 50: that those areas could then be
00:48:48 Speaker 50: removed from the archaeological potential layer
00:48:50 Speaker 50: and that planning tool to not
00:48:53 Speaker 50: require an archaeological assessment again. We've
00:48:55 Speaker 50: also done an evaluation, a high-level
00:48:56 Speaker 50: evaluation of integrity that's been focused
00:48:59 Speaker 50: on some key areas in the
00:49:00 Speaker 50: county to evaluate or identify. areas
00:49:03 Speaker 50: where there is no longer potential
00:49:07 Speaker 50: for finding archaeological resources intact. So
00:49:09 Speaker 50: those areas that have been very
00:49:12 Speaker 50: deeply and very extensively disturbed. Providing
00:49:15 Speaker 50: a bit of an example here
00:49:17 Speaker 50: and more discussion about how we've
00:49:23 Speaker 50: evaluated integrity. It's not an easy
00:49:26 Speaker 50: process to do based on a
00:49:30 Speaker 50: desk a desktop review only,
00:49:33 Speaker 50: without going out to a site
00:49:35 Speaker 50: and spending a lot of time
00:49:38 Speaker 50: researching the prior land. use on
00:49:39 Speaker 50: a property, but we are still
00:49:42 Speaker 50: able to do, I think, a
00:49:43 Speaker 50: good high-level evaluation in various areas
00:49:47 Speaker 50: through careful analysis of aerial imagery.
00:49:49 Speaker 50: We look at contemporary conditions. We
00:49:53 Speaker 50: look at historical aerial imagery that
00:49:56 Speaker 50: demonstrates and can demonstrate the degree
00:49:57 Speaker 50: of prior extensive disturbance. We targeted
00:49:59 Speaker 50: in this case some obvious areas.
00:50:01 Speaker 50: where, for example, aggregate extraction has
00:50:04 Speaker 50: happened, some major subdivision developments that
00:50:06 Speaker 50: have involved, you know, extents of
00:50:09 Speaker 50: land clearing and disturbance. We've looked
00:50:10 Speaker 50: at a lot of the urban
00:50:12 Speaker 50: lands outside of the historic settlement
00:50:15 Speaker 50: areas where there there might be
00:50:16 Speaker 50: some interest in historic archaeological resources.
00:50:18 Speaker 50: So we were able to remove
00:50:20 Speaker 50: a significant number of of land
00:50:26 Speaker 50: parcels from the archaeological potential model
00:50:28 Speaker 50: in that way. The map on
00:50:30 Speaker 50: the left there is just an
00:50:32 Speaker 50: example of areas that have been
00:50:34 Speaker 50: removed of archaeological potential. Those areas
00:50:37 Speaker 50: in orange there have been removed
00:50:38 Speaker 50: because they were previously assessed and
00:50:40 Speaker 50: all the archaeological concerns have been
00:50:42 Speaker 50: addressed in those parcels. The area
00:50:44 Speaker 50: that's in the green has been
00:50:46 Speaker 50: removed because we were able to
00:50:49 Speaker 50: determine through the aerial imagery that
00:50:52 Speaker 50: those areas have been very
00:50:55 Speaker 50: extensively disturbed and there's no further
00:50:58 Speaker 50: archaeological. concern there. So, with all
00:51:00 Speaker 50: those steps taken and those mapping
00:51:02 Speaker 50: layers developed, we are then able
00:51:05 Speaker 50: to kind of compile them
00:51:07 Speaker 50: together to create that composite
00:51:09 Speaker 50: archaeological potential model or map that
00:51:12 Speaker 50: can be used in a planning
00:51:13 Speaker 50: context. So, this slide is just
00:51:16 Speaker 50: giving a general summary of what
00:51:18 Speaker 50: those layers are and how we've
00:51:21 Speaker 50: combined them. So, we create a
00:51:23 Speaker 55: map of indigenous archaeological potential, as
00:51:26 Speaker 55: I said. combine that with
00:51:29 Speaker 55: a layer denoting the historic archaeological
00:51:31 Speaker 55: potential. Both of those layers add
00:51:32 Speaker 55: potential to the mapping layer, and
00:51:34 Speaker 50: then we remove from those the
00:51:36 Speaker 50: integrity—the places where there's no longer
00:51:38 Speaker 50: integrity, where archaeological assessments have
00:51:40 Speaker 50: been undertaken and removed archaeological concern—and
00:51:46 Speaker 50: then we've also then removed areas
00:51:47 Speaker 50: that are outside of the county
00:51:49 Speaker 50: jurisdiction. So that would be all
00:51:50 Speaker 50: of those federal lands and provincial
00:51:52 Speaker 50: lands. for which the county does
00:51:53 Speaker 50: not make any planning decisions for.
00:51:56 Speaker 50: The final outcome would be that
00:52:00 Speaker 50: composite archaeological potential layer, and that's
00:52:03 Speaker 50: the layer that would be used
00:52:06 Speaker 50: by planning staff when determining
00:52:08 Speaker 50: whether or not an archaeological assessment
00:52:11 Speaker 50: will be required as part of
00:52:14 Speaker 50: the approval of a planning application
00:52:18 Speaker 50: or doing during municipal infrastructure and
00:52:21 Speaker 50: development projects. So, I want to
00:52:23 Speaker 50: talk a little bit more. to
00:52:26 Speaker 50: about that planning tool, give you
00:52:29 Speaker 50: an idea of what it looks
00:52:31 Speaker 50: like a little bit more close
00:52:32 Speaker 50: up, and kind of give some
00:52:38 Speaker 50: kind of analysis and explanation about
00:52:41 Speaker 50: its effectiveness and what we've arrived
00:52:43 Speaker 50: at. So the composite map, as
00:52:47 Speaker 50: you see here in high level,
00:52:49 Speaker 50: indicates where archaeological assessment should happen
00:52:52 Speaker 50: to fulfil provincial those provincial requirements
00:52:56 Speaker 50: to manage, identify, conserve archaeological resources.
00:52:59 Speaker 50: Serve archaeological resources. We have tested
00:53:01 Speaker 50: the effectiveness of that model, and
00:53:02 Speaker 50: we've done that by comparison comparing
00:53:05 Speaker 50: the areas of archaeological potential mapped
00:53:08 Speaker 50: in this model to the registered
00:53:11 Speaker 50: and known archaeological sites that sample
00:53:14 Speaker 50: we talked about earlier in the
00:53:17 Speaker 50: presentation. When we do that, this
00:53:20 Speaker 50: particular model that we've developed it
00:53:25 Speaker 50: captures ninety two of the ninety
00:53:26 Speaker 50: six indigenous. archaeological sites and find
00:53:30 Speaker 50: spots that we've identified. So it
00:53:32 Speaker 50: captures ninety-six percent of those. That's
00:53:33 Speaker 50: an excellent capture for this type
00:53:35 Speaker 50: of modelling. For the historic era
00:53:37 Speaker 50: sites, it captures ninety percent of
00:53:40 Speaker 50: those sites, which again is a
00:53:41 Speaker 50: very high capture. And when combined,
00:53:43 Speaker 50: the model captures ninety-three percent of
00:53:46 Speaker 50: the total archaeological sites in our
00:53:47 Speaker 50: sample that is available to. us.
00:53:50 Speaker 50: In total, the composite archaeological map
00:53:52 Speaker 50: captures seventy-two percent of the county
00:53:54 Speaker 50: landmass, which, again, in comparison to
00:53:57 Speaker 50: other AMPs, is a is a
00:53:58 Speaker 50: pretty reasonable target. Wanting to also
00:54:01 Speaker 50: qualify, I mean, it can often
00:54:04 Speaker 50: seem like this is a very
00:54:05 Speaker 50: dense map, and there's a lot,
00:54:07 Speaker 50: high percentage of of area of
00:54:10 Speaker 50: archaeological potential in the county. But
00:54:12 Speaker 50: wanted to speak to how it
00:54:15 Speaker 50: actually. kind of gets triggered
00:54:18 Speaker 50: and used in a planning
00:54:21 Speaker 50: context. So, a large percentage of
00:54:23 Speaker 50: lands with archaeological potential, as shown
00:54:25 Speaker 50: on this map, will likely never
00:54:28 Speaker 50: see development. That that is, they
00:54:29 Speaker 50: are rural farmlands and natural or
00:54:31 Speaker 50: conservation lands that are well away
00:54:33 Speaker 50: from settlement areas. You know, there
00:54:35 Speaker 50: there's very limited likelihood that they
00:54:37 Speaker 50: would ever be developed in a
00:54:40 Speaker 50: way that would require the county
00:54:42 Speaker 50: to trigger an archaeological assessment or
00:54:45 Speaker 50: that a planning. application
00:54:47 Speaker 50: would be submitted. The map is
00:54:50 Speaker 50: really specifically applicable to those circumstances
00:54:51 Speaker 50: and applications where, within a planning
00:54:53 Speaker 50: context, archaeological assessments are triggered. So,
00:54:56 Speaker 50: to give some example on that,
00:55:00 Speaker 50: it would never. These areas of
00:55:02 Speaker 50: archaeological potential would never, for example,
00:55:05 Speaker 50: be zoned on to private lands
00:55:08 Speaker 50: or be applicable to, say, a
00:55:13 Speaker 50: farmer who wants to do some
00:55:14 Speaker 50: landscaping. It would never apply there.
00:55:16 Speaker 50: If that farmer wanted to. build
00:55:18 Speaker 50: a barn and a building
00:55:20 Speaker 50: permit was required, for example, unless
00:55:21 Speaker 50: the Gray County planning context requires
00:55:25 Speaker 50: archaeological assessments for building permits, it
00:55:27 Speaker 50: would it would not trigger an
00:55:29 Speaker 50: archaeological assessment. But in on that
00:55:31 Speaker 50: same land parcel, if a farmer
00:55:34 Speaker 50: wanted to several multiple lots build
00:55:36 Speaker 50: houses or redevelop their property entirely
00:55:38 Speaker 50: as a residential subdivision, then an
00:55:40 Speaker 50: archaeological assessment would be triggered. through
00:55:42 Speaker 50: the use of this planning tool.
00:55:44 Speaker 50: Some more detail just about what
00:55:46 Speaker 50: the planning tool might look like,
00:55:48 Speaker 50: and I—it's hard to show kind
00:55:50 Speaker 50: of the different representations of information
00:55:51 Speaker 50: here. But this is kind of
00:55:54 Speaker 56: a two-dimensional representation of what the
00:55:56 Speaker 56: planning layer would look like. Noting
00:55:58 Speaker 56: that behind this, for any planner,
00:55:59 Speaker 50: would be more details about what
00:56:03 Speaker 50: the features of archaeological potential are.
00:56:05 Speaker 50: If there's, say, a registered site,
00:56:07 Speaker 50: what that site is. There's a
00:56:10 Speaker 50: lot of information that would be
00:56:14 Speaker 50: in the in the data layer
00:56:17 Speaker 50: that would allow a planner to
00:56:20 Speaker 50: have much more information than just
00:56:24 Speaker 50: see this map. So the model
00:56:26 Speaker 50: itself is not just a map;
00:56:29 Speaker 50: it is also the data that
00:56:32 Speaker 50: goes with it that informs it.
00:56:34 Speaker 50: So the planning tool itself is
00:56:35 Speaker 50: both the map and data layers
00:56:38 Speaker 50: that are consulted when a planning
00:56:40 Speaker 50: application is received or municipal project
00:56:43 Speaker 50: is planned. If the proposal includes
00:56:46 Speaker 50: an area of archaeological potential, an
00:56:48 Speaker 50: archaeological assessment should be planned or
00:56:50 Speaker 50: triggered. The underlying data also alerts
00:56:53 Speaker 50: planners to the presence of archaeological
00:56:55 Speaker 50: sites immediately, to pass along to
00:56:59 Speaker 50: the proponent or to whoever is
00:57:01 Speaker 50: is coordinating a project to assist
00:57:03 Speaker 50: in planning. So it really allows
00:57:05 Speaker 50: very early planning in terms of
00:57:08 Speaker 50: you know. what is going to
00:57:10 Speaker 50: happen on a property and
00:57:12 Speaker 50: gives a little bit additional planning
00:57:18 Speaker 50: guidance even at a pre consultation
00:57:20 Speaker 50: stage to a proponent or planning
00:57:23 Speaker 50: for a municipal project for example.
00:57:25 Speaker 50: So the layer, as you can
00:57:31 Speaker 50: see in the image on the
00:57:33 Speaker 50: right, shows some features of archaeological
00:57:34 Speaker 50: potential. There, there's some historic buildings
00:57:36 Speaker 50: and roadways, water courses, a registered
00:57:39 Speaker 50: archaeological site. All of that green
00:57:43 Speaker 50: is buffering a. Green is buffering
00:57:46 Speaker 50: around those features of archaeological potential.
00:57:51 Speaker 50: Any project that would or planning
00:57:52 Speaker 50: application that would occur within or
00:57:55 Speaker 50: or just you know clip any
00:57:57 Speaker 50: portion of archaeological potential would require
00:58:00 Speaker 50: an archaeological assessment, as also informed
00:58:02 Speaker 50: by the planning and implementation process.
00:58:04 Speaker 50: And any area that fell outside
00:58:06 Speaker 50: of that green space would not
00:58:08 Speaker 50: require an archaeological assessment. So, in
00:58:11 Speaker 50: terms of our next steps from
00:58:12 Speaker 50: the potential model, so where we
00:58:14 Speaker 50: are at, we have developed this.
00:58:17 Speaker 50: We are pretty close to finalizing
00:58:20 Speaker 50: it. The model and its data
00:58:22 Speaker 50: layers are currently being reviewed by
00:58:26 Speaker 50: indigenous communities and stakeholders, and we
00:58:27 Speaker 50: are just kind of wrapping up,
00:58:30 Speaker 50: receiving feedback on that, and we'll
00:58:33 Speaker 50: be kind of completing that phase
00:58:35 Speaker 50: of. the project very shortly. We
00:58:38 Speaker 57: will also TMHC will be making
00:58:43 Speaker 50: recommendations for a process and a
00:58:47 Speaker 50: time period for updating the data
00:58:49 Speaker 50: that's within the model and for
00:58:51 Speaker 50: keeping the information current. And it's
00:58:53 Speaker 50: really important that the model and
00:58:56 Speaker 50: the mapping layer is considered to
00:58:58 Speaker 50: be a dynamic tool. There are
00:59:00 Speaker 50: archaeological sites registered every day. There
00:59:02 Speaker 50: are archaeological assessments and new planning
00:59:04 Speaker 50: applications coming in constantly, and the
00:59:06 Speaker 50: data is the. really critical piece
00:59:09 Speaker 50: here in in managing the
00:59:13 Speaker 50: county's risk. So it's really
00:59:15 Speaker 50: important that that we kind of
00:59:19 Speaker 50: position the model and the
00:59:21 Speaker 50: AMP in that very dynamic way.
00:59:24 Speaker 50: Aligned with the completion of the
00:59:26 Speaker 50: archaeological potential layer, that planning layer,
00:59:27 Speaker 50: the potential model is the development
00:59:29 Speaker 50: of the policy planning and implementation
00:59:31 Speaker 50: framework that is currently under the
00:59:33 Speaker 50: county's. Under the county scope, that
00:59:36 Speaker 50: framework will establish a process for
00:59:38 Speaker 50: how that map is going to
00:59:40 Speaker 50: be used within the planning context.
00:59:43 Speaker 50: What types of projects and planning
00:59:45 Speaker 50: application it is used for? For
00:59:48 Speaker 50: example, just for plans of subdivision,
00:59:49 Speaker 50: rezoning, severances, other applications. When indigenous
00:59:52 Speaker 50: and descendant community engagement is required,
00:59:56 Speaker 50: what and how requirements for archaeological
00:59:58 Speaker 50: assessment are communicated back to proponents.
01:00:01 Speaker 50: It will also set out
01:00:04 Speaker 50: a plan for training
01:00:06 Speaker 50: staff on the use of
01:00:09 Speaker 50: the model and understanding the data
01:00:11 Speaker 50: layers and what's behind that. It
01:00:13 Speaker 50: will also help establish a process
01:00:15 Speaker 50: for addressing inadvertent discoveries. We we
01:00:19 Speaker 50: hear about these in the news
01:00:21 Speaker 50: all the time, and and helping
01:00:22 Speaker 50: the county manage those and and
01:00:27 Speaker 50: helping components manage those as well.
01:00:29 Speaker 50: We'll also establish a process for
01:00:32 Speaker 50: maintaining the database of sites and
01:00:34 Speaker 50: reports, as I mentioned, for incorporating
01:00:35 Speaker 50: new finds. and new information, some
01:00:37 Speaker 50: of the benefits to having an
01:00:41 Speaker 50: A.m.P. really is to increase the
01:00:42 Speaker 50: efficiency, consistency, and predictability of the
01:00:44 Speaker 50: archaeological process, or identifying archaeological concerns
01:00:48 Speaker 50: within the planning process. The current
01:00:50 Speaker 50: process right now can be
01:00:52 Speaker 50: very subjective. It's very
01:00:55 Speaker 50: ad hoc. There's a lot of
01:00:57 Speaker 58: uncertainty in the in the in
01:01:01 Speaker 50: the process about decision making. when,
01:01:04 Speaker 50: why, and how. Who should we
01:01:05 Speaker 50: contact? The process will be established
01:01:08 Speaker 50: to keep information current and inaccurate,
01:01:10 Speaker 50: which I said is very important.
01:01:11 Speaker 50: Ultimately, though, the biggest benefit is
01:01:13 Speaker 50: that it will help reduce risks
01:01:15 Speaker 50: to the county. It will ensure
01:01:18 Speaker 50: the requirements and responsibilities are met,
01:01:19 Speaker 50: as they may not have been
01:01:22 Speaker 50: met in the most
01:01:24 Speaker 50: fulsome way in the past. It
01:01:26 Speaker 50: will. It's important to acknowledge. that
01:01:28 Speaker 50: these requirements for addressing archaeological interests
01:01:30 Speaker 50: and conserving archaeological resources exist, whether
01:01:32 Speaker 50: or not an AMP is in
01:01:34 Speaker 50: place. The AMP can certainly help
01:01:36 Speaker 50: reduce delays and uncertainty to, on
01:01:38 Speaker 50: behalf of the proponents, but also
01:01:41 Speaker 50: for municipal projects. If, if the
01:01:44 Speaker 50: expectations are set out and they
01:01:48 Speaker 50: are very clear from the beginning,
01:01:49 Speaker 50: I think it will help all
01:01:51 Speaker 50: parties move forward in a good
01:01:55 Speaker 50: way. An AMP can also reduce
01:01:59 Speaker 50: the number and likelihood of unanticipated
01:02:00 Speaker 50: finds and work stoppages where archaeological
01:02:03 Speaker 50: assessment or Indigenous engagement was not
01:02:09 Speaker 50: done in advance. And there are
01:02:10 Speaker 50: several examples within Gray County where
01:02:12 Speaker 50: we're witnessing both on the archaeological
01:02:13 Speaker 50: side and county side where there
01:02:15 Speaker 50: have been situations where not everyone
01:02:16 Speaker 59: was on the same page, and
01:02:20 Speaker 59: it's resulted in significant sites being
01:02:22 Speaker 60: found and a lot of additional
01:02:25 Speaker 60: costs and delay in that respect.
01:02:27 Speaker 60: So that's the end of kind
01:02:30 Speaker 60: of our formal presentation today, and
01:02:31 Speaker 60: we would gladly take questions with
01:02:34 Speaker 60: respect to our piece of the
01:02:35 Speaker 60: archaeological management plan. And I know
01:02:36 Speaker 60: Liz is also present there; can
01:02:38 Speaker 60: can address anything directed to the
01:02:40 Speaker 60: county side as well. Okay, thank
01:02:42 Speaker 60: you very much for those details.
01:02:44 Speaker 60: So with that, then we'll put
01:02:47 Speaker 60: it out to council members if
01:02:48 Speaker 60: they committee. Council members, if the
01:02:50 Speaker 60: committee, the whole members, if they
01:02:53 Speaker 60: have questions, we'll begin with Councillor
01:02:54 Speaker 60: Nielsen. Thank you very much, Gordon.
01:02:56 Speaker 60: Just a quick question regarding you.
01:02:59 Speaker 60: You've mentioned that the mapping itself
01:03:03 Speaker 60: is dynamic, and as information is
01:03:05 Speaker 60: gathered, the map is going to
01:03:06 Speaker 60: be updated, and you'd be clearing
01:03:08 Speaker 50: more lands. I guess would be
01:03:11 Speaker 50: the best way to put it.
01:03:13 Speaker 50: When it comes to the our
01:03:15 Speaker 50: archaeological studies need to be
01:03:18 Speaker 50: done, the scope of those is
01:03:21 Speaker 50: it on like a like very.
01:03:22 Speaker 50: minute and specific to the work
01:03:25 Speaker 50: that's being done within the land,
01:03:27 Speaker 50: or is it more broad to
01:03:30 Speaker 50: the size of the project of
01:03:35 Speaker 50: the lot itself? So I'm just
01:03:37 Speaker 50: wondering, in terms of when archaeological
01:03:40 Speaker 50: studies are done, how much potential
01:03:41 Speaker 50: I'll I'll use the word clearing
01:03:43 Speaker 50: of the um compositor archaeological potential
01:03:46 Speaker 50: mapping gets done. Just wondering, like
01:03:48 Speaker 50: the size of the scope of
01:03:51 Speaker 50: each study. Sure, it's dependent on
01:03:55 Speaker 50: the particular application. So if a
01:03:56 Speaker 50: planning application comes in and it's
01:03:59 Speaker 50: for a you know a twenty-acre
01:04:02 Speaker 50: residential development, it would typically cover
01:04:03 Speaker 50: and that all of that land
01:04:06 Speaker 50: is going to be impacted by
01:04:08 Speaker 50: the development. Then the standard is
01:04:10 Speaker 50: usually that that entire parcel is
01:04:12 Speaker 50: subject to archaeological excavation or investigation.
01:04:14 Speaker 50: Now, I would qualify that in
01:04:16 Speaker 50: saying you have other types of
01:04:19 Speaker 50: projects, like say municipal parks. projects
01:04:21 Speaker 50: where you might just be doing
01:04:23 Speaker 50: a trail, and in that case,
01:04:26 Speaker 50: the archaeological assessment is often scoped
01:04:29 Speaker 50: or focused specifically on the impacts
01:04:31 Speaker 50: from that project, as opposed to
01:04:35 Speaker 50: the complete legal land parcel. And
01:04:37 Speaker 50: I would also note that there
01:04:42 Speaker 50: are instances where the county can
01:04:45 Speaker 50: make those decisions to scope down
01:04:48 Speaker 50: assessments. So there are a lot
01:04:49 Speaker 50: of examples of, say, cottage developments
01:04:53 Speaker 50: where you might have, you know,
01:04:56 Speaker 61: a. small impact from a footprint
01:05:01 Speaker 61: of a new cottage and the
01:05:03 Speaker 62: driveway and any infrastructure going there,
01:05:05 Speaker 62: but you might have another, you
01:05:07 Speaker 63: know, twenty acres of woodland or
01:05:11 Speaker 63: natural areas in behind that are
01:05:12 Speaker 63: not being touched. But the planning,
01:05:14 Speaker 64: you know, application permits certain land
01:05:16 Speaker 65: uses to take place. So there's
01:05:19 Speaker 65: ways that that can be scoped
01:05:20 Speaker 65: down by the municipality, and but
01:05:22 Speaker 65: just ensuring that there's other kinds
01:05:24 Speaker 65: of covenants or language and review
01:05:26 Speaker 65: of any additional impacts on those
01:05:28 Speaker 65: areas that are not examined archaeologically.
01:05:29 Speaker 65: So there's there's a lot of
01:05:32 Speaker 65: power within the the county to
01:05:33 Speaker 65: establish those rules and scope of
01:05:37 Speaker 65: those assessments for sure. Okay, thank
01:05:38 Speaker 65: you. I'll look around the room
01:05:41 Speaker 65: and we'll go to Councillor McQueen.
01:05:43 Speaker 65: Thank you. Mr. Ward or Madam
01:05:45 Speaker 65: Warden, and to the presenter. I'm
01:05:47 Speaker 65: not sure where this is going
01:05:48 Speaker 65: to end up because I look
01:05:49 Speaker 65: at the one map that's a
01:05:54 Speaker 65: lot of blue and gray county.
01:05:55 Speaker 65: I know with other layers that
01:05:58 Speaker 65: we have seen in the past,
01:05:59 Speaker 65: we a lot of times we
01:06:00 Speaker 65: have checklists that sometimes identify if
01:06:01 Speaker 65: an area needs further scope or
01:06:03 Speaker 65: not. Concerns me if every zoning
01:06:04 Speaker 65: or every severance or every building
01:06:08 Speaker 65: a permit or every barn built
01:06:10 Speaker 65: has to have an arc. Built
01:06:12 Speaker 65: has to have an archaeological study.
01:06:16 Speaker 65: I think we're going to hear
01:06:17 Speaker 65: from that as a county counselor
01:06:18 Speaker 65: as well. Certainly, the potential I
01:06:19 Speaker 65: can see the mapping, and if
01:06:21 Speaker 65: there's areas that show a potential,
01:06:23 Speaker 65: you know, my father when he
01:06:24 Speaker 65: was a kid found an arrowhead.
01:06:26 Speaker 65: You could have arrowheads anywhere across
01:06:28 Speaker 65: this county. I couldn't find one,
01:06:30 Speaker 65: so I had to buy one.
01:06:32 Speaker 65: They're they're there. There's lots of
01:06:34 Speaker 65: them around. So my point is,
01:06:35 Speaker 65: is to what scope are we
01:06:37 Speaker 65: going to zero this down to
01:06:40 Speaker 65: in the sense of, and I
01:06:43 Speaker 65: think on the more on the
01:06:44 Speaker 65: proactive side, is if people find
01:06:48 Speaker 65: stuff, then you know they they
01:06:50 Speaker 65: may not identify it because they're
01:06:51 Speaker 65: they're worried about the overlayering what
01:06:52 Speaker 65: that could do to their property
01:06:53 Speaker 65: as well. So I think there
01:06:55 Speaker 65: has to be some kind of
01:06:56 Speaker 65: a a balance approach to where
01:06:58 Speaker 65: you move forward on you know
01:06:59 Speaker 65: I know for an example, scenic
01:07:01 Speaker 65: caves and Blue Mountains is a
01:07:02 Speaker 65: very historical site of knowledge knowing
01:07:03 Speaker 66: that said that was a a
01:07:09 Speaker 67: village certain. A village, certainly those
01:07:11 Speaker 67: areas, but it does concern me
01:07:13 Speaker 67: that you know to what level,
01:07:14 Speaker 67: to how far down you're you're
01:07:16 Speaker 67: going to drive this. I understand
01:07:17 Speaker 67: aggregate operators or whole development subdivisions,
01:07:19 Speaker 67: but if Mr. Smith is going
01:07:21 Speaker 67: to build a barn, you know
01:07:22 Speaker 67: I think that has a different
01:07:24 Speaker 67: potential on where this ends up
01:07:30 Speaker 68: going. And then I, you know,
01:07:33 Speaker 68: I always look at a checklist.
01:07:38 Speaker 69: Is something that you know is
01:07:40 Speaker 69: it does it could be
01:07:43 Speaker 69: scoped? Could it be you know
01:07:45 Speaker 69: doesn't meet that requirement? Or if
01:07:48 Speaker 50: it's in an area. Environment, or
01:07:51 Speaker 50: in an area where it has
01:07:52 Speaker 50: been highly identified, I just think
01:07:54 Speaker 50: we have to find there has
01:07:57 Speaker 50: to be a balance as well.
01:08:00 Speaker 50: Understood. Okay. Sorry, I'm. I'm just
01:08:03 Speaker 50: gonna just ask if you just
01:08:06 Speaker 50: want to respond to anything that
01:08:08 Speaker 50: that you can offer as a
01:08:12 Speaker 50: consultant. However, the discussion for this
01:08:14 Speaker 50: item will come when the report
01:08:17 Speaker 50: comes forward. So, just if if
01:08:18 Speaker 50: there's anything that you'd like to
01:08:20 Speaker 50: respond to that will assist in
01:08:22 Speaker 50: the information that Councillor McQueen was
01:08:24 Speaker 50: asking. Sure, I can just say
01:08:26 Speaker 50: that that those those questions are
01:08:28 Speaker 50: are are going to be addressed
01:08:30 Speaker 50: within the the the county's planning
01:08:33 Speaker 50: and implement implementation framework about which
01:08:35 Speaker 50: of those applications actually require an
01:08:38 Speaker 50: archaeological assessment and which do not,
01:08:40 Speaker 50: and those are important decisions because
01:08:42 Speaker 50: again, yes, we do not want
01:08:45 Speaker 50: to impinge on you know private
01:08:48 Speaker 50: landowners. you know, use of their
01:08:51 Speaker 50: land, and so yeah, we do
01:08:53 Speaker 50: identify that. There are lots of
01:08:55 Speaker 50: opportunities to work with identifying, you
01:08:58 Speaker 50: know, where there are also very
01:09:00 Speaker 50: high areas of archaeological sensitivity, where
01:09:01 Speaker 50: there might be an op opportunity
01:09:03 Speaker 50: to, you know, look more closely
01:09:04 Speaker 50: at some of those areas for
01:09:06 Speaker 50: some of those smaller applications, but
01:09:10 Speaker 50: not then require that to be
01:09:14 Speaker 50: the case throughout the entire county.
01:09:17 Speaker 50: So there's lots. of opportunities within
01:09:20 Speaker 50: that planning context. I would also
01:09:22 Speaker 50: note that there is an existing
01:09:24 Speaker 50: checklist that is developed by the
01:09:26 Speaker 50: ministry that many county staff have
01:09:29 Speaker 50: been using already, which is problematic
01:09:31 Speaker 50: for a number of reasons. It
01:09:33 Speaker 50: requires, in order to complete that
01:09:38 Speaker 50: checklist, it does it require evaluation
01:09:40 Speaker 70: of disturbance. The Ministry of Citizenship
01:09:42 Speaker 21: and Multiculturalism is very clear that
01:09:47 Speaker 21: only an archaeological someone with an
01:09:49 Speaker 21: archaeological licence can make that evaluation
01:09:50 Speaker 71: of disturbance. So that's often a
01:09:53 Speaker 71: place where a planner can make
01:09:56 Speaker 71: that decision, and then you find
01:09:58 Speaker 71: something in the field, and then
01:10:02 Speaker 71: it causes a work stoppage and
01:10:05 Speaker 71: has created a situation in the
01:10:07 Speaker 72: past. That checklist also requires engagement
01:10:10 Speaker 73: with Aboriginal—the language in the checklist
01:10:13 Speaker 73: is Aboriginal or Indigenous peoples—and to
01:10:16 Speaker 73: verify that and speak to
01:10:18 Speaker 73: their traditional land use as well.
01:10:20 Speaker 73: So. how does a planner use
01:10:23 Speaker 73: that or make that determination can
01:10:28 Speaker 73: be very challenging from the county
01:10:31 Speaker 73: perspective. So, the AMP is a
01:10:32 Speaker 73: way to help have those conversations
01:10:34 Speaker 73: and make that determination together. Okay,
01:10:36 Speaker 73: thank you very much. And
01:10:39 Speaker 73: I'll look around the room, and
01:10:41 Speaker 73: we'll go to Councillor Greg. Thank
01:10:43 Speaker 73: you, Orden, and through you, a
01:10:46 Speaker 73: question. Your second last slide, Holly,
01:10:47 Speaker 73: and. thanks for the presentation today.
01:10:53 Speaker 73: States reduce risk to the county.
01:10:56 Speaker 73: It's very easy just to always
01:10:58 Speaker 73: insert risk into into the the
01:10:59 Speaker 73: document. Can you please expand and
01:11:00 Speaker 73: define exactly what you are referring
01:11:02 Speaker 73: to in using the word risk?
01:11:05 Speaker 73: Sure. There's a number of of
01:11:06 Speaker 73: case studies where you know planners,
01:11:09 Speaker 73: for example, and other municipalities have
01:11:11 Speaker 73: made determinations based on that checklist
01:11:15 Speaker 73: we talked about, and and made
01:11:16 Speaker 73: those decisions, and then archaeological resources
01:11:19 Speaker 73: or burial sites in particular have
01:11:22 Speaker 73: been identified. A proponent is then
01:11:25 Speaker 73: saying, "Well, why?" And they've
01:11:27 Speaker 73: been identified in areas that have
01:11:30 Speaker 73: been deemed of no archaeological interest,
01:11:34 Speaker 73: and archaeological assessment has not
01:11:37 Speaker 73: been required within that municipal planning
01:11:39 Speaker 73: context. And then the proponent is
01:11:43 Speaker 73: left with you know work stoppage
01:11:45 Speaker 73: in millions of dollars. Work stoppage
01:11:48 Speaker 73: and millions of dollars of costs
01:11:50 Speaker 73: in reparation work in not able
01:11:53 Speaker 73: to necessarily proceed with their development.
01:11:55 Speaker 73: Their schedule is off, and they're
01:11:58 Speaker 74: looking back to the county for
01:12:00 Speaker 74: why? Why didn't you trigger an
01:12:01 Speaker 75: archaeological assessment when it clearly, very
01:12:06 Speaker 76: clearly needed one? So the decision
01:12:10 Speaker 76: making is not easy from a
01:12:11 Speaker 76: planning context. Archaeological interests are very
01:12:13 Speaker 77: hard to identify within a planning
01:12:18 Speaker 77: context, especially with new planners who
01:12:21 Speaker 77: are unfamiliar. with the process, we've
01:12:25 Speaker 77: seen cases where municipalities have been
01:12:28 Speaker 77: required to pay the costs of
01:12:32 Speaker 77: reparation work and archaeological assessment midway
01:12:34 Speaker 77: through construction projects. It causes a
01:12:38 Speaker 77: lot of shutdowns and expense and
01:12:41 Speaker 77: hardship and damages relationships with indigenous
01:12:45 Speaker 77: communities and with proponents as well.
01:12:48 Speaker 77: So that's happening and has happened
01:12:52 Speaker 77: throughout a lot of municipalities. so
01:12:54 Speaker 77: AMPS can can help define that
01:12:55 Speaker 77: process more clearly. Make sure that
01:12:56 Speaker 77: archaeological concerns are addressed early on.
01:12:58 Speaker 77: People aren't finding out about these
01:13:02 Speaker 77: partway through developments. There's not work
01:13:04 Speaker 77: stoppages, and making things these things
01:13:07 Speaker 77: move forward in a in a
01:13:10 Speaker 77: very transparent way. Okay, thank you,
01:13:11 Speaker 77: and we'll go to Councillor Dobrin.
01:13:13 Speaker 78: Thank you, and through you, Warden.
01:13:16 Speaker 79: Good morning, everyone, and thank you
01:13:20 Speaker 79: for. your presentation. The from a
01:13:23 Speaker 79: planning perspective, we already circulate to
01:13:24 Speaker 79: Indigenous agencies with regard to their
01:13:26 Speaker 79: interest. Recently, we have experienced a
01:13:27 Speaker 79: requirement for Phase One archaeological studies
01:13:29 Speaker 79: when an existing development and an
01:13:30 Speaker 79: existing farm is looking to sever
01:13:32 Speaker 79: or surplus farm severance, where development
01:13:33 Speaker 79: and farming. has occurred for decades,
01:13:34 Speaker 80: years, for however long. That phase
01:13:37 Speaker 80: one study will produce a certain
01:13:39 Speaker 80: level. Either decide whether or not
01:13:41 Speaker 81: it has to go to a
01:13:44 Speaker 81: phase two or phase three, or
01:13:46 Speaker 82: it can stop right there. At
01:13:50 Speaker 82: what point will our local planners
01:13:52 Speaker 82: then receive those phase one studies?
01:13:53 Speaker 82: Should they be forwarding them to
01:13:55 Speaker 82: be incorporated into this plan, and
01:13:56 Speaker 82: maybe? it's a question for when
01:13:58 Speaker 82: we get to the staff report.
01:13:59 Speaker 82: I see a nod over there,
01:14:00 Speaker 82: so I wasn't sure the involvement
01:14:02 Speaker 83: and at what level. So thank
01:14:07 Speaker 83: you. Okay, so Ms. Martell, if
01:14:09 Speaker 83: there's anything that you'd like to
01:14:10 Speaker 83: add, just because you won't be
01:14:11 Speaker 83: part of that discussion when we
01:14:12 Speaker 84: get to the county report, but
01:14:15 Speaker 84: the staff will will hold on
01:14:17 Speaker 84: to that discussion when we get
01:14:18 Speaker 84: to the report. Is there anything
01:14:19 Speaker 84: that you wanted to add to
01:14:20 Speaker 84: that? Okay, all right. Thank you.
01:14:22 Speaker 84: So, Councillor Dobrin, hold that thought,
01:14:23 Speaker 84: and we'll we'll bring up County
01:14:25 Speaker 84: Staff later. Okay, and looking around
01:14:28 Speaker 84: the room for any other hands.
01:14:29 Speaker 84: Okay, all right. See no further
01:14:32 Speaker 84: hands. Thank you very much, Ms.
01:14:35 Speaker 84: Martell and Mr. Moody, for attending
01:14:36 Speaker 84: today, and thank you for the
01:14:38 Speaker 84: details that you provided and presented
01:14:41 Speaker 84: to us. And we will go
01:14:43 Speaker 84: into a full some discussion when
01:14:45 Speaker 84: we come to the the staff
01:14:47 Speaker 84: report that comes later in the
01:14:48 Speaker 84: agenda. Thank you. Okay. so with
01:14:51 Speaker 84: that, then, what I'd like to
01:14:53 Speaker 84: do at this point in time,
01:14:55 Speaker 84: looking at the time, is I'd
01:14:56 Speaker 84: like to call out for determination
01:14:58 Speaker 84: of any items requiring separate discussion
01:15:02 Speaker 85: from the consent agenda, and then
01:15:05 Speaker 85: when we get to that point,
01:15:08 Speaker 85: we'll do a break before we
01:15:09 Speaker 85: go into the items that are
01:15:11 Speaker 85: for discussion. So with that, I'll
01:15:13 Speaker 85: put out a call for anything
01:15:15 Speaker 03: that's listed in six. We have
01:16:00 Speaker 01: seven different items that committee, the
01:25:40 Speaker 01: whole member, would like to have
01:25:42 Speaker 01: a separate discussion on. Anything there?
01:25:43 Speaker 03: Not seeing hands to my left.
01:26:02 Speaker 03: or my right or on the
01:26:03 Speaker 86: screen. So with that, then I'll
01:26:07 Speaker 86: just ask that it's recommended that
01:26:09 Speaker 86: the following consent agenda items be
01:26:10 Speaker 86: received, and that staff be authorised
01:26:13 Speaker 86: to take actions necessary to give
01:26:15 Speaker 86: effect to the recommendations in the
01:26:17 Speaker 86: staff reports, and that the
01:26:20 Speaker 86: correspondence be supported or received for
01:26:22 Speaker 86: information as recommended in the consent
01:26:24 Speaker 86: agenda. May I ask for a
01:26:26 Speaker 86: mover? Moved by Councillor Dobrin, seconded
01:26:28 Speaker 86: by Councillor Nielsen. Any discussion? All
01:26:30 Speaker 86: those in favour? and that motion
01:26:31 Speaker 86: is carried. Thank you. So at
01:26:34 Speaker 86: this point in time, we'll call
01:26:36 Speaker 03: a break. If we can come
01:26:49 Speaker 03: back by eleven twenty, we will
01:26:51 Speaker 03: continue with the items on the
01:26:52 Speaker 03: agenda. Thank you. Okay. If I
01:27:12 Speaker 03: could please invite all of our
01:27:13 Speaker 03: committee, the whole members, back to
01:27:15 Speaker 03: the table. Okay, so we are
01:27:17 Speaker 87: going to move on with Section
01:27:19 Speaker 87: Seven of our. See, yep, Section
01:27:20 Speaker 87: Seven of our agenda. These are
01:27:23 Speaker 87: the items that we have flagged
01:27:25 Speaker 87: for discussion. The first one is
01:27:27 Speaker 87: Item Seven A. It's recommended that
01:27:28 Speaker 87: Report PDR CW Forty Eight Twenty
01:27:32 Speaker 87: Five regarding the Archaeological Management Plan
01:27:35 Speaker 87: Status Update be received for information.
01:27:36 Speaker 87: May I ask for a mover
01:27:37 Speaker 87: and a seconder? Moved by Councillor
01:27:38 Speaker 87: Kentner, and seconded by. Councillor Carleton.
01:27:40 Speaker 87: So it's now on the floor
01:27:41 Speaker 87: for discussion. So I will invite
01:27:44 Speaker 87: Ms. Buckton to come up and
01:27:45 Speaker 87: begin the conversation regarding the report.
01:27:47 Speaker 87: Thank you. We just got a
01:27:51 Speaker 87: very brief slide deck. We're just
01:27:53 Speaker 87: getting that that loaded up. Thank
01:27:56 Speaker 87: you very much. Okay, so I
01:27:58 Speaker 87: think I thank you very much.
01:28:00 Speaker 87: I'm really excited to talk to
01:28:02 Speaker 87: County Council today about this project.
01:28:04 Speaker 87: It has been what I've been
01:28:07 Speaker 87: living and breathing for the last
01:28:09 Speaker 87: year, climbing an incredibly steep learning
01:28:11 Speaker 87: curve, and I feel. so much
01:28:14 Speaker 87: better for having done so. Hoping
01:28:17 Speaker 87: to share some of that today,
01:28:18 Speaker 87: we've certainly had an informative presentation
01:28:19 Speaker 87: by Team HCT staff. I think
01:28:23 Speaker 87: they're going to be hanging around
01:28:28 Speaker 87: on the line in case we
01:28:29 Speaker 87: do run into some questions at
01:28:32 Speaker 87: this phase as well, and that
01:28:34 Speaker 87: they might be better suited to
01:28:35 Speaker 87: answer. But I think we'll try
01:28:37 Speaker 87: to kind of parlay from the
01:28:39 Speaker 87: model into where we're headed with
01:28:41 Speaker 87: this project. So, in the report
01:28:43 Speaker 87: that's been provided for you. We've
01:28:44 Speaker 87: we've broken down or articulated this
01:28:47 Speaker 87: project as being comprised of three
01:28:48 Speaker 87: phases. So the first is the
01:28:50 Speaker 87: preparation of the archaeological potential model,
01:28:51 Speaker 87: as teammate she has presented on
01:28:53 Speaker 87: today. The next component of that
01:28:55 Speaker 87: is the archaeological management plan, and
01:28:57 Speaker 87: so that's a report format document
01:28:59 Speaker 87: that will outline the processes and
01:29:01 Speaker 87: procedures. And Holly did speak to
01:29:03 Speaker 87: this a little bit in her
01:29:06 Speaker 87: presentation as well, just outlining the
01:29:09 Speaker 87: types of I guess, triggers that
01:29:11 Speaker 87: would be articulated through the planning
01:29:13 Speaker 88: process, right? So, knowing that we
01:29:17 Speaker 88: have that model, we're identifying those
01:29:18 Speaker 88: areas of potential. What do we
01:29:20 Speaker 42: want to do with that information?
01:29:22 Speaker 42: So, obviously, there's some assessment requirements,
01:29:24 Speaker 42: but what type of applications? To
01:29:26 Speaker 42: what scope? To what scale? And
01:29:27 Speaker 42: what other tools do we want
01:29:28 Speaker 42: to establish to kind of support
01:29:31 Speaker 42: that framework and and the way
01:29:34 Speaker 42: that we deal with that framework
01:29:37 Speaker 42: in our process? So, all of
01:29:39 Speaker 42: that detail. will be established in
01:29:41 Speaker 42: that plan, and then we'll move
01:29:43 Speaker 42: into project implementation. And so through
01:29:45 Speaker 42: the implementation phase, as we would
01:29:49 Speaker 42: envision that we would be actively
01:29:50 Speaker 42: using the potential model, we would
01:29:52 Speaker 42: have our processes established together with
01:29:53 Speaker 42: the lower tiers, and would be,
01:29:55 Speaker 42: I guess, really implementing that that
01:29:57 Speaker 42: work into our processes, and that
01:29:59 Speaker 42: will come with training as well.
01:30:00 Speaker 42: So I think I really just
01:30:03 Speaker 42: wanted to focus in and highlight
01:30:05 Speaker 42: on. this next step that we're
01:30:07 Speaker 42: moving into, so this has already
01:30:09 Speaker 42: started to some degree. I have
01:30:12 Speaker 42: worked with Team HC to identify
01:30:13 Speaker 42: a bit of a table of
01:30:15 Speaker 42: contents or an inclusions list for
01:30:16 Speaker 42: that amp document, and so that
01:30:19 Speaker 42: inclusions list covers off the processes
01:30:21 Speaker 42: and procedures. It also will address
01:30:25 Speaker 42: some of the policy, which would
01:30:27 Speaker 42: be embedded into our official plan,
01:30:29 Speaker 42: as well as some of those
01:30:31 Speaker 42: unanticipated fines procedures and protocols. So.
01:30:33 Speaker 42: now it says AML. That's actually
01:30:36 Speaker 42: meant to be AMP. So the
01:30:38 Speaker 42: AMP is to be drafted and
01:30:39 Speaker 42: housed by county staff, and so
01:30:40 Speaker 42: that's summer and fall of 2025.
01:30:42 Speaker 42: Like I say, that work is
01:30:44 Speaker 42: is underway. That will be informed
01:30:46 Speaker 42: by our better practices in archaeology,
01:30:49 Speaker 42: land use planning, and as well
01:30:50 Speaker 42: the local consultation and engagement efforts.
01:30:53 Speaker 42: We just had a kickoff meeting
01:30:55 Speaker 42: yesterday with Saugeen Ojibway Nation to
01:30:56 Speaker 42: start to talk about that, and
01:30:58 Speaker 42: we'll be establishing a standing meeting
01:31:00 Speaker 42: with them so that we have
01:31:02 Speaker 42: an ongoing touch. point in relation
01:31:04 Speaker 42: to getting the procedures into place,
01:31:06 Speaker 42: but then also for the future
01:31:08 Speaker 42: implementation processes. That inclusions list is
01:31:10 Speaker 42: prepared, and I have been working
01:31:12 Speaker 42: to populate procedural elements of the
01:31:13 Speaker 42: plan. Team HC provided us with
01:31:15 Speaker 42: a copy of many many AMPS
01:31:17 Speaker 42: from across the province, so we've
01:31:19 Speaker 42: got some good examples that we
01:31:21 Speaker 42: can pull from and look at
01:31:23 Speaker 42: the different ways that different places
01:31:25 Speaker 42: have addressed some of these procedures
01:31:26 Speaker 42: and policies in their plans. so
01:31:28 Speaker 42: we'll pull from that to some
01:31:30 Speaker 42: degree. That policy rating will follow
01:31:31 Speaker 42: after we've got the procedures sorted
01:31:34 Speaker 42: out. That that would come forward
01:31:36 Speaker 42: and eventually look to be embedded
01:31:39 Speaker 42: in our official plans. So that
01:31:40 Speaker 42: would really describe those processes and
01:31:41 Speaker 42: how that applies in the planning
01:31:43 Speaker 42: context. And then we anticipate that
01:31:45 Speaker 42: as we get that draft completed,
01:31:47 Speaker 42: there would be a phase of
01:31:50 Speaker 42: consultation with respect to those policies
01:31:53 Speaker 42: and procedures. They will be developed
01:31:54 Speaker 42: collabouratively, so we will be back
01:31:56 Speaker 42: and forth with. the other parties
01:31:57 Speaker 42: that will be using those policies
01:31:59 Speaker 42: as we develop them. But we
01:32:00 Speaker 42: will have a formal consultation. Not
01:32:02 Speaker 42: all of the First Nations that
01:32:04 Speaker 42: we reached out to have taken
01:32:07 Speaker 42: an incredibly active role in the
01:32:09 Speaker 42: process thus far. So I think
01:32:10 Speaker 42: there are a number of communities
01:32:12 Speaker 89: that would just like to have
01:32:15 Speaker 89: a chance to see those policies
01:32:17 Speaker 89: before we complete. That will also
01:32:19 Speaker 89: include that correspondence with the
01:32:22 Speaker 89: member municipalities and as well some
01:32:23 Speaker 89: of the other agencies. So the
01:32:24 Speaker 89: Niagara Scarp Commission, for example. Nigerus
01:32:28 Speaker 89: gardening mission, for example, this will
01:32:29 Speaker 89: be a resource that would intersect
01:32:31 Speaker 89: with the planning, the planning with
01:32:32 Speaker 42: the day administrator as well. And
01:32:35 Speaker 42: then ongoing consideration, as we are
01:32:37 Speaker 42: drafting this, will be made to
01:32:38 Speaker 42: those implementation needs. So I'd love
01:32:40 Speaker 42: to be able to stand up
01:32:42 Speaker 42: here and say, by X date,
01:32:44 Speaker 42: we'll have that plan in front
01:32:46 Speaker 42: of you, and it'll be completely
01:32:48 Speaker 90: vetted and and ready to go,
01:32:50 Speaker 90: and we'll get that policy adoption
01:32:52 Speaker 90: advanced. But realistically, it's a lot
01:32:53 Speaker 90: of moving parts, and so we're
01:32:54 Speaker 90: just going to. have to work
01:32:56 Speaker 90: through as we go, and and
01:32:58 Speaker 86: I think our intention is to
01:33:00 Speaker 86: bring that policy back for adoption
01:33:02 Speaker 86: only once we've got that implementation
01:33:04 Speaker 86: framework sufficiently advanced, so that we
01:33:06 Speaker 86: can hit the ground running once
01:33:08 Speaker 86: that's in place. So I I
01:33:11 Speaker 86: think that's what I've prepared in
01:33:13 Speaker 86: terms of the slides for today.
01:33:14 Speaker 86: I did want to open it
01:33:16 Speaker 86: up for any conversation or questions
01:33:17 Speaker 86: around kind of that next step.
01:33:18 Speaker 86: Our intention is to be communicating
01:33:20 Speaker 86: with you and through the committee
01:33:22 Speaker 86: structures as well as as we're
01:33:24 Speaker 86: working through that, but happy to
01:33:25 Speaker 86: to do my best to to
01:33:28 Speaker 86: answer any questions that may arise
01:33:29 Speaker 91: today. So I'll just leave it
01:33:32 Speaker 91: there. Thank you very much. Okay,
01:33:34 Speaker 91: thank you. So it's good to
01:33:38 Speaker 91: know that you're there as well
01:33:40 Speaker 91: as the consultants are there
01:33:44 Speaker 91: still available online in case there
01:33:46 Speaker 91: are any specific questions that they
01:33:48 Speaker 91: might be able to help in
01:33:49 Speaker 92: answering. And it is has been
01:33:53 Speaker 92: moved and seconded to receive for
01:33:55 Speaker 92: information. And one of the key
01:33:56 Speaker 92: aspects I'm hearing from you. is
01:33:57 Speaker 93: seeking just input for the next
01:34:02 Speaker 94: steps. That this is we're we're
01:34:04 Speaker 94: not locking this in today. This
01:34:06 Speaker 94: is this is how are we
01:34:08 Speaker 42: feeling about this? What questions do
01:34:11 Speaker 42: we have, and what kind of
01:34:13 Speaker 42: input would we like to be
01:34:15 Speaker 42: considered along the way as you
01:34:17 Speaker 42: provide us with that step by
01:34:21 Speaker 42: step process? Okay, all right. So
01:34:24 Speaker 42: with that, then we'll begin committee.
01:34:26 Speaker 42: The whole questions we'll begin with
01:34:27 Speaker 42: the deputy warden. Thank you, Madam
01:34:29 Speaker 42: Warden, and through you, Liz. Thank
01:34:31 Speaker 95: you very much. Just wondering. is
01:34:33 Speaker 95: there a role here for the
01:34:35 Speaker 95: provincial and federal ministries, however they
01:34:37 Speaker 95: describe themselves nowadays? I can't remember
01:34:39 Speaker 95: the titles, but is there a
01:34:41 Speaker 95: role for them to be involved
01:34:43 Speaker 87: in? Do they necessarily need to
01:34:46 Speaker 87: approve our policy or not approve,
01:34:48 Speaker 87: so to speak? Could you maybe
01:34:49 Speaker 87: speak on that a little bit,
01:34:50 Speaker 87: please? Thank you. Wonderful, and Andrew
01:34:52 Speaker 87: Urdan, happy happy to speak to
01:34:54 Speaker 87: that. so the EMP itself, there
01:34:56 Speaker 87: there isn't an approval process for
01:34:59 Speaker 87: it. It is a management plan
01:35:00 Speaker 87: for resources in our geography. That
01:35:02 Speaker 87: said, there is quite a large
01:35:04 Speaker 87: legislative framework that goes around how
01:35:05 Speaker 87: that work happens, and so certainly
01:35:07 Speaker 87: the principles of those standards and
01:35:08 Speaker 87: guidelines have been regarded, I guess,
01:35:11 Speaker 87: in preparation of the model and
01:35:12 Speaker 87: the way that we've treated that
01:35:14 Speaker 87: data, and so we are, I
01:35:15 Speaker 87: guess, obligated to continue to maintain.
01:35:17 Speaker 87: those standards and guidelines through the
01:35:18 Speaker 87: the work that we're doing, but
01:35:21 Speaker 87: there there is not an approval
01:35:23 Speaker 87: authority role for the province in
01:35:25 Speaker 87: that. That said, I do think
01:35:28 Speaker 87: we will have some conversation with
01:35:29 Speaker 87: the ministry around data sharing. Right
01:35:31 Speaker 87: now, we've got everybody in on
01:35:33 Speaker 87: it, just on a temporary review
01:35:35 Speaker 87: basis to look at the model
01:35:37 Speaker 87: and to help us truth some
01:35:38 Speaker 87: of the site data. But I
01:35:41 Speaker 87: think the First Nations have expressed
01:35:43 Speaker 87: interest in ongoing access to some
01:35:46 Speaker 87: of that site data as we
01:35:50 Speaker 87: compile it. As we've compiled, because
01:35:52 Speaker 87: it's not available in other ways,
01:35:55 Speaker 87: and so we'd like to try
01:35:56 Speaker 87: and facilitate that. I think that
01:35:59 Speaker 96: will smooth the process if we're
01:36:02 Speaker 96: both looking at similar information, but
01:36:04 Speaker 96: we'll just need to work through
01:36:06 Speaker 96: jurisdictional problems of what agreements and
01:36:09 Speaker 96: that type of thing that we
01:36:10 Speaker 96: need to put in place. So,
01:36:12 Speaker 96: from that perspective, I think there'll
01:36:13 Speaker 97: be some intersection. I guess I
01:36:18 Speaker 97: would just additionally say that so
01:36:20 Speaker 97: Team H C prepared the potential
01:36:22 Speaker 97: model also for Bruce County, and
01:36:23 Speaker 79: so I think there there are
01:36:27 Speaker 79: some ongoing. discussions that Bruce is
01:36:29 Speaker 79: having regarding those data access pieces
01:36:31 Speaker 79: as well. So, as much as
01:36:36 Speaker 79: possible, we will be cross-pollinating to
01:36:40 Speaker 79: try and make sure that we've
01:36:42 Speaker 79: got a consistent approach right across
01:36:47 Speaker 79: the region, given that our models
01:36:49 Speaker 79: build from the same methodology as
01:36:51 Speaker 79: well. We're on on the way
01:36:56 Speaker 98: to that. Okay, thank you. Looking
01:37:01 Speaker 99: around the room, we'll go to
01:37:04 Speaker 79: Councillor McQueen. Thank you, Madam Warden.
01:37:07 Speaker 79: But were you going to address?
01:37:12 Speaker 79: Councillor De Brine's question at this
01:37:14 Speaker 79: point? I'm really curious about that
01:37:17 Speaker 79: question on surplus farm buildings, but
01:37:20 Speaker 79: I do have a comment and
01:37:23 Speaker 100: question to make. Okay, so I'm
01:37:28 Speaker 101: I'm waiting for hands to be
01:37:31 Speaker 101: raised. But Councillor De Brine, would
01:37:33 Speaker 102: you like to reintroduce your question?
01:37:36 Speaker 102: Thank you. Certainly. Thank you for
01:37:37 Speaker 102: the reminder. the The question that
01:37:38 Speaker 87: I posed, Liz, and thank you
01:37:41 Speaker 87: very much for the conversation at
01:37:43 Speaker 87: break, was in the process of
01:37:44 Speaker 87: being required through our. Let me
01:37:46 Speaker 87: start again. Through our indigenous circulation,
01:37:48 Speaker 87: when a archaeological study of any
01:37:50 Speaker 87: degree is requested, and and
01:37:52 Speaker 87: that is at the proponent's expense,
01:37:55 Speaker 87: would it would it be a
01:37:56 Speaker 87: requirement for that study to be
01:37:58 Speaker 87: shared with the county to be
01:37:59 Speaker 87: uploaded into this database? Okay, do
01:38:01 Speaker 87: you want it back? So I'm
01:38:03 Speaker 87: sorry. And and to that point,
01:38:04 Speaker 87: recently we've had where a community
01:38:06 Speaker 87: school is being proposed to be
01:38:07 Speaker 87: severed from a farm parcel, or
01:38:11 Speaker 87: in any case, a surplus farm
01:38:13 Speaker 87: severance, where it might trigger a
01:38:14 Speaker 87: phase one or more archaeological study.
01:38:16 Speaker 87: Great, thanks so much for that.
01:38:18 Speaker 87: And and to you, Madam Wardam.
01:38:20 Speaker 87: So I so I think so.
01:38:23 Speaker 87: You something just jumped out at
01:38:25 Speaker 87: me in the way that you
01:38:27 Speaker 87: phrased that. So you said, "As
01:38:29 Speaker 87: we circulate the applications to the
01:38:32 Speaker 87: Indigenous communities." So I'll just start
01:38:34 Speaker 87: there. So I think one of
01:38:37 Speaker 87: the opportunities that the AMP process
01:38:38 Speaker 87: presents us with is how do
01:38:40 Speaker 87: we actually do that engagement and
01:38:43 Speaker 87: identify those requirements. earlier in the
01:38:45 Speaker 87: process, so not at the point
01:38:46 Speaker 87: that we're sending out that notice
01:38:48 Speaker 87: of the application that it's been
01:38:50 Speaker 87: received, that we're moving to a
01:38:51 Speaker 87: public meeting, but prior to, so
01:38:54 Speaker 87: at a pre-consultation stage, so that
01:38:56 Speaker 87: will be one of one of
01:38:58 Speaker 87: the elements. There is we'll be
01:39:00 Speaker 87: able to to flag those sooner
01:39:02 Speaker 87: for proponents, but I think in
01:39:03 Speaker 87: terms of those requirements to share
01:39:06 Speaker 87: back with us, it's a great
01:39:08 Speaker 87: suggestion, and I do think that
01:39:10 Speaker 87: through the the drafting of the
01:39:13 Speaker 87: amp, we will include some standard.
01:39:15 Speaker 87: condition wording associated with that. So
01:39:17 Speaker 87: one of the ideas that is
01:39:18 Speaker 87: discussed in the report is whether
01:39:21 Speaker 87: or not we should or may
01:39:22 Speaker 87: decide to develop a bit of
01:39:24 Speaker 103: a repository for holding those assessment
01:39:27 Speaker 103: reports ourselves. So right now
01:39:29 Speaker 103: the process is that those reports
01:39:31 Speaker 103: are lodged with the ministry into
01:39:33 Speaker 104: their formal repository, but there is
01:39:37 Speaker 104: no spatial mapping with that. And
01:39:39 Speaker 105: as we've learned, it's sometimes difficult
01:39:43 Speaker 105: to get that information back out
01:39:45 Speaker 105: in in the timeframe that you
01:39:47 Speaker 105: need it, and so the city
01:39:50 Speaker 105: of Kingston, for example, has set
01:39:54 Speaker 105: that up. They've got a lodging
01:39:56 Speaker 105: supply line place that does require
01:39:59 Speaker 105: that those be submitted to the
01:40:02 Speaker 105: city as well as the ministry,
01:40:04 Speaker 106: so that they maintain their own
01:40:09 Speaker 107: database of all those reports. And
01:40:12 Speaker 107: I think that could facilitate a
01:40:14 Speaker 87: future where you open the model
01:40:16 Speaker 87: under protected access and click
01:40:18 Speaker 87: on a prior site
01:40:20 Speaker 87: and pull up the report, right?
01:40:22 Speaker 87: So that we have that. Right,
01:40:24 Speaker 87: so that we'd have that information
01:40:26 Speaker 87: at a later date, and so
01:40:29 Speaker 87: that really would support that type
01:40:30 Speaker 87: of framework if we are receiving
01:40:31 Speaker 87: those reports back directly. So I
01:40:34 Speaker 87: think that's great foreshadowing. I suspect
01:40:35 Speaker 87: those standards commissions may include something
01:40:37 Speaker 87: along those lines that where that's
01:40:39 Speaker 108: required, we'd ask for those back.
01:40:42 Speaker 108: Follow up. Yes, just one follow
01:40:43 Speaker 108: up then. So it comes down
01:40:45 Speaker 108: to who paid for the
01:40:48 Speaker 108: study, and if it's a not
01:40:49 Speaker 109: a subdivision or developer, and it's
01:40:51 Speaker 109: a private landowner, are they? Can
01:40:53 Speaker 109: we obligate them to share the
01:40:55 Speaker 109: the results of the study beyond
01:40:57 Speaker 110: such that the indigenous agency is
01:40:59 Speaker 110: satisfied and we can proceed? I've
01:41:02 Speaker 110: met the condition. Okay, and through
01:41:04 Speaker 110: you, Madam Wanda. So I I
01:41:07 Speaker 110: think so. My understanding is that
01:41:09 Speaker 110: in completing that assessment. in in
01:41:12 Speaker 110: consideration to the standards and guidelines
01:41:14 Speaker 110: under that archaeological framework, that that
01:41:19 Speaker 110: archaeologist would be required to submit
01:41:21 Speaker 110: that to the province, so it
01:41:23 Speaker 110: wouldn't be just a necessarily private
01:41:25 Speaker 110: study for their own reference. But
01:41:28 Speaker 110: but you're right, we could be
01:41:31 Speaker 110: asking to also obtain a copy
01:41:33 Speaker 110: of those. And I see Holly's
01:41:36 Speaker 110: on there as well, so that
01:41:38 Speaker 110: might be one where I would
01:41:42 Speaker 111: take Holly in as well, Madam
01:41:45 Speaker 111: Morbin, if that's okay. Okay, Miss
01:41:47 Speaker 112: Myrtle, if you're there, if you.
01:41:50 Speaker 112: would like to add, I can
01:41:52 Speaker 112: just clarify that process. So, archaeological
01:41:53 Speaker 113: assessments have to be done by
01:41:57 Speaker 114: a licenced archaeologist. So, archaeologists are
01:41:59 Speaker 115: licenced to undertake the work. As
01:42:02 Speaker 115: part of their licensing requirements, they
01:42:04 Speaker 115: must file a report with the
01:42:05 Speaker 116: Ministry of Citizenship and Multiculturalism. It
01:42:08 Speaker 116: goes into a provincial register of
01:42:09 Speaker 116: archaeological reports, which is a public
01:42:11 Speaker 116: register of reports. Certain sections of
01:42:13 Speaker 116: the reports may are not publicly
01:42:14 Speaker 116: available, but those are always subject.
01:42:16 Speaker 116: and can be acquired under FO
01:42:18 Speaker 116: requests. So there, there is a
01:42:20 Speaker 116: public, a public repository. It just
01:42:21 Speaker 116: can be challenging to get the
01:42:22 Speaker 117: information out of that. In terms
01:42:25 Speaker 118: of can you obligate someone to
01:42:28 Speaker 118: submit directly to Grey County? I'm
01:42:30 Speaker 118: not sure that you can. The
01:42:31 Speaker 118: information can be accessible. Well, but
01:42:32 Speaker 118: noting that it is accessible at
01:42:34 Speaker 118: the at the provincial level, regardless.
01:42:36 Speaker 65: So. okay, thank you. So now
01:42:40 Speaker 65: I'll go back over to Councillor
01:42:42 Speaker 65: McLean. Thank you, Madam Warden. So
01:42:44 Speaker 65: I think one thing I think
01:42:45 Speaker 65: will have to be explained is
01:42:47 Speaker 65: what is a stage one archaeological
01:42:48 Speaker 65: study and what does that include?
01:42:50 Speaker 65: Because what I understand is, from
01:42:51 Speaker 65: my little experience with regards to
01:42:55 Speaker 65: aggregate, that you have to plow
01:42:56 Speaker 119: the field. That's stage one. So
01:42:58 Speaker 119: if you're doing a certain So
01:43:01 Speaker 119: if you're doing a, is that
01:43:02 Speaker 119: not? I don't know because but
01:43:04 Speaker 120: then I thought from stage two,
01:43:07 Speaker 121: then it's a further in depth
01:43:10 Speaker 121: if they find something. But from
01:43:12 Speaker 122: my experience, for stage one is
01:43:14 Speaker 122: plow the field, disk it, and
01:43:16 Speaker 122: then they wait for a rainstorm,
01:43:17 Speaker 122: a rain, and then it shows
01:43:20 Speaker 122: up. So if you're going to
01:43:21 Speaker 122: surface farm drilling or creating a
01:43:23 Speaker 122: severance, that means you're going to
01:43:24 Speaker 122: have to plow the whole person's
01:43:25 Speaker 122: lawn, the surface of the house
01:43:27 Speaker 122: off from the farm. So then,
01:43:28 Speaker 122: if it's about severance or about
01:43:30 Speaker 122: zoning. then, then, then from the
01:43:31 Speaker 122: agricultural side, does that mean every
01:43:32 Speaker 123: building that's being required is going
01:43:35 Speaker 123: to have to do one? Because
01:43:37 Speaker 123: what's the difference between a severance
01:43:38 Speaker 123: is to build a new house
01:43:39 Speaker 123: or a surplus farm dwelling house
01:43:40 Speaker 124: is already there, but if it's
01:43:43 Speaker 124: requiring a cattle barn, there. So
01:43:44 Speaker 65: I think in the sense of
01:43:48 Speaker 65: this goes back to green and
01:43:51 Speaker 65: gray and the corridors across across
01:43:54 Speaker 65: Gray County, a lot of input
01:43:55 Speaker 65: was supplied from the agricultural side
01:43:56 Speaker 65: on what's happening and how it's.
01:43:57 Speaker 65: affecting the land, especially the agricultural
01:43:58 Speaker 65: sites. So there's a lot of
01:43:59 Speaker 65: stuff here, and the require if
01:44:01 Speaker 65: if if it's required across, then
01:44:03 Speaker 65: I think we need to communicate
01:44:04 Speaker 65: that to our residents and the
01:44:06 Speaker 65: agricultural sites especially. But nothing to
01:44:07 Speaker 65: do with if it's if it's
01:44:09 Speaker 65: regards to the severance. Well, the
01:44:11 Speaker 125: part of the severance is because
01:44:15 Speaker 125: somebody's going to build a house.
01:44:17 Speaker 125: So, but if you're building a
01:44:18 Speaker 125: cattle barn, you're not doing a
01:44:20 Speaker 125: severance. You're still disturbing. So I
01:44:22 Speaker 125: mean, you could have 100 acres
01:44:23 Speaker 126: of corn that's get disturbed every
01:44:25 Speaker 126: year. Store every year. I mean,
01:44:27 Speaker 126: there's a lot of stuff here,
01:44:28 Speaker 126: and I think it's confusing to
01:44:30 Speaker 126: a lot of people. That's the
01:44:32 Speaker 126: requirement that you're going to make.
01:44:33 Speaker 126: And then I think my other
01:44:34 Speaker 126: comment, going back to Councillor Craig,
01:44:36 Speaker 126: is about liability. Well, if it's
01:44:38 Speaker 127: not being required, can we not,
01:44:42 Speaker 127: as a county, say, okay, you
01:44:43 Speaker 87: have to developer A, you have
01:44:47 Speaker 87: to sign this to say it's
01:44:49 Speaker 87: up to you if you want
01:44:52 Speaker 87: to do one, but if you
01:44:54 Speaker 87: don't want to do it, the
01:44:56 Speaker 87: county's not liable. There's ways of
01:44:58 Speaker 87: doing that as well. So. you
01:45:00 Speaker 87: know, so I think there's a
01:45:02 Speaker 87: lot of stuff here, and for
01:45:04 Speaker 87: the report, but I think we
01:45:07 Speaker 87: better start communicating with a lot
01:45:10 Speaker 87: of different people on before this
01:45:13 Speaker 87: gets too far down the road.
01:45:16 Speaker 87: Okay, so Miss Buxton, did you
01:45:17 Speaker 87: want to talk about the communications
01:45:19 Speaker 87: you've been having and the input
01:45:20 Speaker 87: that you've been gathering, and and
01:45:23 Speaker 87: we'll see who else would like
01:45:25 Speaker 87: to add something. Thank you very
01:45:26 Speaker 87: much. I appreciate that. You're right;
01:45:30 Speaker 87: it's very complicated. There's a lot
01:45:33 Speaker 87: of pieces that are tied up
01:45:37 Speaker 87: to together there, so. I I
01:45:38 Speaker 87: do think maybe make a few
01:45:40 Speaker 87: remarks, and I think it might
01:45:43 Speaker 87: be advantageous just to have Dr.
01:45:46 Speaker 87: Martel give a brief overview of
01:45:48 Speaker 87: the stages of assessment. So I
01:45:51 Speaker 87: I think I guess I I
01:45:52 Speaker 87: wouldn't necessarily get too caught up
01:45:53 Speaker 87: by the surplus farm dwelling severance
01:45:55 Speaker 87: context in that example. Firstly, it's
01:45:58 Speaker 87: a historic schoolhouse. There there could
01:45:59 Speaker 87: be some interest in relation just
01:46:02 Speaker 87: to that fact that that the
01:46:05 Speaker 87: building itself and the site itself
01:46:06 Speaker 87: has some history. so I think
01:46:08 Speaker 87: maybe setting aside that particular example.
01:46:10 Speaker 87: What I would say is that
01:46:11 Speaker 87: you know the planning act applications
01:46:14 Speaker 87: are often acting as the trigger.
01:46:16 Speaker 87: So we have our our obligation
01:46:18 Speaker 87: as the county to administer that
01:46:21 Speaker 87: framework to ensure that we're meeting
01:46:23 Speaker 87: those policy obligations that are set
01:46:25 Speaker 87: out for us in the PPS,
01:46:28 Speaker 87: so that we're ensuring that early
01:46:30 Speaker 87: engagement, that we're making sure that
01:46:32 Speaker 87: we're not allowing for site alteration
01:46:33 Speaker 87: until disturbance. sorry, until those artifacts
01:46:35 Speaker 87: or resources have been protected, but
01:46:37 Speaker 87: I think we don't necessarily have
01:46:39 Speaker 87: a trigger at a building permit
01:46:40 Speaker 87: stage. So, looking at that situation
01:46:43 Speaker 87: where you know we've got an
01:46:44 Speaker 87: existing property, it's a farm. They've
01:46:46 Speaker 87: got rural zoning on it that
01:46:47 Speaker 87: would facilitate a barn construction. I
01:46:49 Speaker 87: would suggest to you that the
01:46:51 Speaker 87: trigger is not at building permits,
01:46:54 Speaker 87: so they would definitely not be
01:46:56 Speaker 87: subject to an assessment. requirement just
01:46:58 Speaker 87: by virtue of the building permit
01:47:00 Speaker 87: application itself. If they are entering
01:47:02 Speaker 87: into the planning act application, that's
01:47:05 Speaker 87: where our policy obligations are triggered,
01:47:06 Speaker 87: and that's where that becomes then
01:47:10 Speaker 87: a requirement of the process for
01:47:12 Speaker 87: us to address any resources that
01:47:14 Speaker 87: are identified there. So there's some
01:47:16 Speaker 87: nuance in terms of what triggers
01:47:18 Speaker 87: the assessment and what the requirements
01:47:19 Speaker 87: then are. So certainly we can
01:47:21 Speaker 87: talk more about that, but I
01:47:22 Speaker 128: think just on that communications. piece
01:47:27 Speaker 128: as well. Yes, absolutely. I think
01:47:29 Speaker 128: there there will be the requirement
01:47:30 Speaker 129: for lots of communication. I think
01:47:33 Speaker 129: firstly we need to get the
01:47:36 Speaker 129: procedures sorted so that we really
01:47:37 Speaker 129: have an understanding of of
01:47:39 Speaker 129: what we need to be
01:47:41 Speaker 110: communicating. So what applications do we
01:47:45 Speaker 110: expect will trigger those assessments? What
01:47:47 Speaker 110: tools do we have to scope
01:47:51 Speaker 110: them or leave them
01:47:53 Speaker 110: or defer them, put them as
01:47:55 Speaker 110: conditions? Those kind of things. So
01:47:58 Speaker 110: all of that detail will work
01:47:59 Speaker 110: out through the the policy and
01:48:00 Speaker 110: procedure process. like say, we'll be
01:48:03 Speaker 110: back and forth with with everyone
01:48:05 Speaker 110: around this table and with the
01:48:07 Speaker 110: member municipal staff as well. So
01:48:09 Speaker 110: we really, really hope that that
01:48:10 Speaker 110: will be a very clear process,
01:48:12 Speaker 110: very clear about when the assessments
01:48:13 Speaker 110: are required, what's triggering them, and
01:48:16 Speaker 110: and the stage to which that
01:48:18 Speaker 110: level of assessment needs to happen.
01:48:19 Speaker 110: But if if that's okay with
01:48:22 Speaker 110: you, Madam Warden, I'd I'd love
01:48:23 Speaker 110: to ask Dr. Mantell just to
01:48:25 Speaker 110: speak a little bit about that
01:48:27 Speaker 110: stage, the stages of assessment, if
01:48:30 Speaker 110: she would mind. Assessment, if she
01:48:31 Speaker 110: wouldn't mind. Okay, we're going to
01:48:33 Speaker 110: hear from the consultants first, and
01:48:35 Speaker 110: then we'll go to your follow-up,
01:48:36 Speaker 110: Councillor McQueen. Go ahead. Sure,
01:48:39 Speaker 110: I'll just give a very brief
01:48:42 Speaker 110: overview. So, there are four stages
01:48:43 Speaker 110: to archaeological assessment. The stage one
01:48:45 Speaker 110: archaeological assessment is evaluation of archaeological
01:48:47 Speaker 110: potential. It's usually a desktop study,
01:48:49 Speaker 110: where you gather the information from
01:48:51 Speaker 110: maps, historic material, look at registration.
01:48:54 Speaker 110: Look at registered archaeological sites, previous
01:48:56 Speaker 110: archaeological assessments, and then you evaluate
01:48:58 Speaker 110: if there's archaeological potential retained on
01:49:00 Speaker 110: the property, or if there's any
01:49:02 Speaker 110: registered sites and things like that.
01:49:05 Speaker 110: Are there any archaeological concerns? If
01:49:07 Speaker 110: a property has archaeological potential, then
01:49:09 Speaker 110: a stage two is required. The
01:49:12 Speaker 110: stage two is a property survey.
01:49:14 Speaker 110: So we would go out, and
01:49:15 Speaker 110: in the case of an agricultural
01:49:19 Speaker 110: field, it would have to be
01:49:22 Speaker 110: plowed and surveyed, look for archaeological
01:49:24 Speaker 130: sites. If it's a non-plowable area,
01:49:28 Speaker 130: it would be test pitted, shovel.
01:49:29 Speaker 130: It would be test pitting, shovel
01:49:31 Speaker 130: test pitting, excavation of small holes,
01:49:32 Speaker 131: and we screen the soil and
01:49:35 Speaker 131: look for artifacts. If a site
01:49:37 Speaker 131: is found, then a stage three
01:49:39 Speaker 131: archaeological assessment is triggered for any
01:49:39 Speaker 131: findings that are of cultural heritage
01:49:41 Speaker 131: value or interest. Out of stage
01:49:43 Speaker 131: two, the stage three is further
01:49:45 Speaker 131: testing of the site that might
01:49:47 Speaker 131: involve some additional background research, some
01:49:49 Speaker 65: targeted excavation to kind of collect
01:49:55 Speaker 65: a sample of material from the
01:49:57 Speaker 132: site, determine what it is, what
01:50:01 Speaker 65: it represents, what its age is,
01:50:04 Speaker 65: whether it What its age is,
01:50:06 Speaker 65: whether it's in intact and has
01:50:09 Speaker 65: integrity or not, and based on
01:50:10 Speaker 65: provincial criteria, we would either say
01:50:14 Speaker 65: the site is sufficiently documented, has
01:50:15 Speaker 133: no further cultural heritage value or
01:50:18 Speaker 133: interest, and no assessment would be
01:50:20 Speaker 133: required, or if it meets kind
01:50:21 Speaker 133: of the threshold and criteria that
01:50:23 Speaker 133: the ministry establishes and is significant,
01:50:25 Speaker 133: then it requires a stage four
01:50:28 Speaker 134: mitigation, which can occur through either
01:50:31 Speaker 134: avoidance and protection over the long
01:50:32 Speaker 134: term, just ways to protect archaeological
01:50:34 Speaker 134: sites within green spaces, or it
01:50:36 Speaker 134: would be a full excavation and
01:50:37 Speaker 134: mitigation of impacts to those through
01:50:40 Speaker 135: full documentation. Okay, thank you. So
01:50:42 Speaker 135: we'll go to the follow up
01:50:43 Speaker 135: to Councillor McQueen, and I believe
01:50:46 Speaker 135: Councillor Nielsen has his hand
01:50:49 Speaker 135: up. After that, thank you,
01:50:51 Speaker 135: Madam Warden. Thank you very, very
01:50:53 Speaker 135: much for explaining those stages. I
01:50:55 Speaker 135: think that helps a little bit
01:50:57 Speaker 136: in the sense of to the
01:50:59 Speaker 65: severity of what we're talking about,
01:51:01 Speaker 65: or to the stages of that.
01:51:02 Speaker 65: but if it's a planning act
01:51:05 Speaker 65: or a planning act or or
01:51:08 Speaker 65: a planning application that triggers that,
01:51:11 Speaker 65: um, you know, for severance or
01:51:12 Speaker 65: for surplus or said a church.
01:51:15 Speaker 65: I guess the point is, so
01:51:16 Speaker 65: we, it's about the building part.
01:51:18 Speaker 65: Is it about the excavation of
01:51:19 Speaker 65: the soil and determining the new
01:51:23 Speaker 137: use? Where, again. if it was
01:51:27 Speaker 137: a farm that was proposed, or
01:51:28 Speaker 137: a rural property that was proposed
01:51:30 Speaker 137: to be severed, you can build
01:51:33 Speaker 137: barns all over the place, hypothetically
01:51:35 Speaker 137: saying. But if once you make
01:51:36 Speaker 137: an application for a severance, or
01:51:38 Speaker 137: say it's a commercial shop, that's
01:51:39 Speaker 137: the trigger. But you can also
01:51:41 Speaker 138: have ADUs on land that you
01:51:43 Speaker 138: don't need trigger. So there's not
01:51:45 Speaker 138: consistency here. Like, I mean, what
01:51:48 Speaker 138: are you trying? What? What? I
01:51:51 Speaker 138: understand what you're trying to trying
01:51:53 Speaker 138: to achieve. here, but I think
01:51:56 Speaker 138: that you have to find the
01:51:58 Speaker 138: balance. Like certainly from a full-fledged
01:51:59 Speaker 139: subdivision and aggregate operation, because you're
01:52:02 Speaker 139: completely removing everything from agriculture or
01:52:05 Speaker 139: from an aggregate, and certainly from
01:52:07 Speaker 138: a subdivision plan, everything's going to
01:52:10 Speaker 138: get moved and replaced, and and
01:52:11 Speaker 138: it's sure you disturb.ing I can
01:52:14 Speaker 138: understand that part, but I think
01:52:17 Speaker 138: on the other side is if
01:52:19 Speaker 138: you're trying to preserve things, then
01:52:21 Speaker 138: instead of penalizing or making people
01:52:23 Speaker 138: punitive. People are punitive. Have it
01:52:25 Speaker 138: on the other side. If people
01:52:28 Speaker 138: find something, it's support it instead
01:52:30 Speaker 138: of saying, "Well, you have to
01:52:33 Speaker 138: do this." So I'll I'll leave
01:52:35 Speaker 138: my comments to come back to
01:52:37 Speaker 138: the report. But I think sometimes
01:52:39 Speaker 138: it's easier without any mistake. But
01:52:41 Speaker 138: anyway. Okay. Thank you. Just before
01:52:42 Speaker 138: we move on to other council
01:52:45 Speaker 138: members, we're going to go to
01:52:47 Speaker 138: the CAO. Thank you, Warden. And
01:52:48 Speaker 138: those are those are all great
01:52:50 Speaker 138: comments and questions, Councillor Queen. And
01:52:53 Speaker 138: I think that's going to be.
01:52:56 Speaker 138: a key part of the next
01:53:00 Speaker 138: steps. Is to what does that
01:53:01 Speaker 138: policy and process look like? What
01:53:03 Speaker 138: are those those triggers? If something
01:53:06 Speaker 138: is triggered, what's the is there
01:53:08 Speaker 138: a scoped exercise as as as
01:53:11 Speaker 138: it relates to whatever development that's
01:53:12 Speaker 138: being proposed? Back to Dr. Martell,
01:53:15 Speaker 138: you know, indicating if it's a
01:53:20 Speaker 138: plan of subdivision, it might be
01:53:21 Speaker 138: one one level of scope. If
01:53:24 Speaker 138: it's something that's a consent or
01:53:25 Speaker 138: another thing, is that a trigger?
01:53:28 Speaker 138: The thing is, that a trigger
01:53:29 Speaker 138: point is if it is, what
01:53:31 Speaker 138: does that look like in terms
01:53:32 Speaker 138: of process and and trying to
01:53:34 Speaker 138: find that that balance of of
01:53:36 Speaker 138: respecting that we want to continue
01:53:38 Speaker 138: to provide for those opportunities, but
01:53:40 Speaker 138: also make sure that that we're
01:53:43 Speaker 138: working with our indigenous communities and
01:53:46 Speaker 138: protecting any potential resources that might
01:53:47 Speaker 138: exist. Right now, also, you know,
01:53:54 Speaker 138: there are triggers that are by
01:53:55 Speaker 138: default happening today on a hundred
01:54:03 Speaker 140: percent of the lands. On 100%
01:54:06 Speaker 141: of the lands, essentially, because we
01:54:08 Speaker 141: don't have any mapping that's in
01:54:10 Speaker 141: place. So, for example, for a
01:54:12 Speaker 141: plan of subdivision, right now it's
01:54:14 Speaker 65: automatic that, because we don't have
01:54:16 Speaker 65: these mapping and policies and procedures
01:54:18 Speaker 65: in place, if you're proposing a
01:54:19 Speaker 65: plan of subdivision, automatically do an
01:54:20 Speaker 65: archaeological assessment, like to do a
01:54:21 Speaker 142: minimum stage one, stage two, and
01:54:24 Speaker 142: and so in in right now
01:54:25 Speaker 142: without the information that we are
01:54:29 Speaker 142: going to have as part of
01:54:30 Speaker 142: this process, which will provide more
01:54:32 Speaker 142: information for everyone that's involved in
01:54:34 Speaker 142: this process, and will provide clear,
01:54:36 Speaker 142: consistent policies and framework for us
01:54:38 Speaker 142: to all help navigate through and
01:54:40 Speaker 142: work with both the developers, proponents,
01:54:42 Speaker 142: landowners, as well as our indigenous
01:54:43 Speaker 143: communities to navigate through this. Because
01:54:46 Speaker 143: as as Dr. Martell has indicated,
01:54:47 Speaker 143: as Liz has indicated, it's complex,
01:54:52 Speaker 144: and so taking some of that
01:54:57 Speaker 110: complexity out and being clear and
01:55:01 Speaker 110: concise in terms of what that
01:55:02 Speaker 110: policy and process framework looks. like
01:55:04 Speaker 110: is exactly what the next step
01:55:06 Speaker 110: process will be, and as was
01:55:08 Speaker 110: indicated, we'll be bringing that that
01:55:12 Speaker 110: framework back to council for the
01:55:14 Speaker 110: discussion and having further engagement with
01:55:16 Speaker 110: with folks in terms of that
01:55:20 Speaker 110: what that process and policy might
01:55:21 Speaker 145: look like. Councillor McQueen, I I
01:55:24 Speaker 145: have two people who are now
01:55:25 Speaker 145: waiting in the queue, so so.
01:55:27 Speaker 145: I support that. I think identifying
01:55:29 Speaker 145: where the areas that are interest
01:55:31 Speaker 110: makes sense instead of just you
01:55:34 Speaker 110: got everybody's got to do it.
01:55:37 Speaker 110: So I I support that idea
01:55:41 Speaker 110: if it's identified that around water
01:55:43 Speaker 110: courses certain areas where that that
01:55:44 Speaker 110: makes a lot of sense. You
01:55:51 Speaker 110: don't know it until you map
01:55:53 Speaker 146: it. So that makes sense. Okay,
01:55:58 Speaker 146: we're going to go to Councillor
01:55:59 Speaker 146: Nielsen and then Councillor Mackey will
01:56:01 Speaker 146: be after Councillor Nielsen. Thank you
01:56:03 Speaker 146: very much, Warden. Just a quick
01:56:05 Speaker 146: follow-up question to Dr. Martel's comments
01:56:06 Speaker 147: on the four stages. Does this
01:56:08 Speaker 147: map represent stage one? So, what
01:56:11 Speaker 147: I understood to your like your
01:56:13 Speaker 147: desktop review of the maps, previous
01:56:15 Speaker 147: studies, and everything is that what
01:56:17 Speaker 147: this study is doing? And then
01:56:20 Speaker 148: theoretically, then any archaeological study we
01:56:22 Speaker 148: request of anybody would be a
01:56:25 Speaker 148: stage two or further. Ms. Martel,
01:56:26 Speaker 148: the exercise is very similar. but
01:56:28 Speaker 149: the the AMP mapping is really
01:56:31 Speaker 149: just a planning tool to help
01:56:33 Speaker 149: trigger the archaeological assessments. What a
01:56:34 Speaker 149: stage one, it'll say do a
01:56:37 Speaker 149: stage one archaeological assessment for sure,
01:56:38 Speaker 149: and usually followed by a stage
01:56:40 Speaker 149: two assessment. The stage one archaeological
01:56:41 Speaker 149: sense assessment is much more comprehensive
01:56:43 Speaker 149: to a specific land parcel. An
01:56:44 Speaker 149: AMP, we can only look at
01:56:46 Speaker 149: you know the the broad mapping
01:56:47 Speaker 147: layers. We can't kind of go
01:56:49 Speaker 147: detail into the land use history
01:56:52 Speaker 150: of a particular farm or a
01:56:57 Speaker 150: particular urban property or a particular
01:56:58 Speaker 150: sort of hydro corridor or something
01:57:00 Speaker 150: like that at an AMP level.
01:57:02 Speaker 150: So it it those those subsequent
01:57:04 Speaker 150: studies that will be called for
01:57:05 Speaker 150: will look at that more closely
01:57:07 Speaker 150: for any particular property. Okay, thank
01:57:08 Speaker 150: you. So with that, then we'll
01:57:10 Speaker 150: go to Councillor Mackey. Thank you,
01:57:12 Speaker 150: Warden. Good morning, County Council. If
01:57:14 Speaker 150: I'm reading the room properly, I
01:57:16 Speaker 150: think probably a lot of us
01:57:23 Speaker 151: are pretty hesitant about where this
01:57:26 Speaker 151: may go and the can of
01:57:27 Speaker 151: worms that we may open up
01:57:29 Speaker 151: with this. We've all got experiences.
01:57:32 Speaker 151: We've all had situations that just
01:57:33 Speaker 151: makes us shake our head. I
01:57:34 Speaker 21: can think about a minor variance
01:57:40 Speaker 152: on an applicant that wanted to
01:57:43 Speaker 152: raise his his total height of
01:57:45 Speaker 152: his growth. Height of the garage
01:57:48 Speaker 152: that was already existing had been
01:57:51 Speaker 152: built on a previous gravel pit,
01:57:54 Speaker 152: and there was a request for
01:57:55 Speaker 152: an archaeological study. Now we didn't
01:57:57 Speaker 152: follow through with it, but was
01:57:58 Speaker 152: in the condition of of the
01:57:59 Speaker 152: minor variance. But if there had
01:58:02 Speaker 152: been pushback, I'm not sure where
01:58:04 Speaker 152: that would have went. So that's
01:58:06 Speaker 152: why I'm weary. The only thing
01:58:07 Speaker 152: I've heard this morning that gives
01:58:11 Speaker 152: me a little bit of confidence,
01:58:12 Speaker 152: and just a minor bit, is
01:58:14 Speaker 152: our comments from the CAO that
01:58:16 Speaker 152: there may be exemptions that may
01:58:18 Speaker 152: help with the exemptions. but this
01:58:18 Speaker 152: is you know in the province
01:58:20 Speaker 152: we're trying to reduce red tape.
01:58:21 Speaker 152: I'm not sure that this is
01:58:23 Speaker 152: going in that direction. The you
01:58:25 Speaker 152: know the average assessment is going
01:58:27 Speaker 152: to cost someone just severing off
01:58:28 Speaker 152: a lot is going to cost
01:58:30 Speaker 152: them five to ten thousand dollars
01:58:32 Speaker 152: if we require that assessment. So
01:58:34 Speaker 152: I really hope there's lots of
01:58:35 Speaker 152: exemptions in our final version, or
01:58:37 Speaker 153: it's going to be difficult to
01:58:41 Speaker 153: support. Thank you. Okay, so that's
01:58:42 Speaker 154: extra commentary. As we said, all
01:58:44 Speaker 154: of this commentary is being duly
01:58:46 Speaker 154: noted by staff as we move
01:58:47 Speaker 154: through next steps. So I'll just
01:58:49 Speaker 154: look then to see if there
01:58:52 Speaker 154: are any others. We'll go to
01:58:56 Speaker 154: Councillor Pringle next. Yeah, thank you,
01:58:59 Speaker 154: Gordon. Again, I want to echo
01:59:01 Speaker 154: on Councillor Mackie and also on
01:59:05 Speaker 154: the CAO's information there too. there's
01:59:06 Speaker 154: a lot here, and us in
01:59:08 Speaker 154: Georgia and Blacks aren't blessed with
01:59:09 Speaker 154: acres and acres of land to
01:59:11 Speaker 154: develop. And we could run into
01:59:12 Speaker 154: a real issue if we're going
01:59:14 Speaker 154: to add another layer of complications
01:59:16 Speaker 154: to get something accomplished. I'm by
01:59:17 Speaker 154: far not ever against working with
01:59:19 Speaker 154: our partners. That's what it's all
01:59:20 Speaker 154: about, and we certainly look towards
01:59:22 Speaker 154: doing that. This report is for
01:59:24 Speaker 154: information. I'm going to take it
01:59:27 Speaker 154: as for information. The CAO gave
01:59:28 Speaker 154: me some good feedback there. There's
01:59:30 Speaker 155: a lot of stuff. we go
01:59:33 Speaker 155: through here. Yet we're a long
01:59:35 Speaker 155: way from being near the end.
01:59:35 Speaker 155: Ever on this is going to
01:59:38 Speaker 156: be a while yet. But yeah,
01:59:44 Speaker 156: as the councillor Mackey mentioned, there
01:59:45 Speaker 157: we don't need to add another
01:59:47 Speaker 157: layer of red tape to getting
01:59:49 Speaker 157: something accomplished in in what we
01:59:51 Speaker 158: got going on out there. And
01:59:56 Speaker 158: and it is offered for information,
01:59:59 Speaker 158: and it's a great report. There's
02:00:01 Speaker 158: a lot of information there. I
02:00:03 Speaker 158: just had a comment, Miss Buxton.
02:00:05 Speaker 158: Thank you, and I appreciate the
02:00:07 Speaker 158: opportunity just to to comment there
02:00:08 Speaker 158: as well. I guess what I
02:00:11 Speaker 158: would just highlight. and Holly did
02:00:13 Speaker 158: mention it in her presentation as
02:00:16 Speaker 158: well, is that the obligations and
02:00:19 Speaker 158: responsibilities around these assessments already exist.
02:00:21 Speaker 158: So, so that obligation currently exists.
02:00:23 Speaker 158: That is our our requirement
02:00:24 Speaker 158: to to administer and protect those
02:00:28 Speaker 158: resources. So, I think it's a
02:00:31 Speaker 158: very complex process, and we're trying
02:00:33 Speaker 158: to bring that into a
02:00:36 Speaker 158: more streamlined view so that it
02:00:38 Speaker 158: will be more nimble. We can
02:00:41 Speaker 158: support those stage ones with the
02:00:44 Speaker 158: good information that's been collected to
02:00:45 Speaker 158: make. that a smoother process. Trying
02:00:48 Speaker 158: to get this earlier in the
02:00:49 Speaker 158: process as well, so that we're
02:00:51 Speaker 158: not into the middle of a
02:00:53 Speaker 158: project when when we're dealing with
02:00:56 Speaker 158: these matters. But but I think
02:00:58 Speaker 158: that that point is probably the
02:00:59 Speaker 158: one that I would would lead
02:01:01 Speaker 158: at this juncture. Is just that
02:01:04 Speaker 158: we we are already responsible in
02:01:06 Speaker 158: this regard, and I'll just highlight.
02:01:08 Speaker 158: I see Scott there as well
02:01:09 Speaker 158: as perhaps he has some further
02:01:11 Speaker 158: comments there too. Director Taylor. I
02:01:13 Speaker 158: heard some stomachs rumbling, so thank
02:01:14 Speaker 158: you through you, Madam Warden. Yeah,
02:01:17 Speaker 158: just to build on on
02:01:19 Speaker 158: what Liz shared and and Dr.
02:01:22 Speaker 158: Martella shared, and the Cao, we're
02:01:23 Speaker 158: very very cognizant of of this
02:01:25 Speaker 158: provincial government and past provincial government's
02:01:28 Speaker 158: efforts to streamline the planning process.
02:01:30 Speaker 158: And Liz and and Dr. Martella
02:01:33 Speaker 158: both mentioned the provincial or the
02:01:36 Speaker 158: obligations already in this regard. The
02:01:37 Speaker 158: one further thing I'll note that
02:01:39 Speaker 158: Dr. Martella also shared is is
02:01:41 Speaker 158: that this actually is a recommendation.
02:01:43 Speaker 158: from the Provincial Planning Statement passed
02:01:45 Speaker 159: by the Conservative government that counties
02:01:51 Speaker 159: and municipalities undertake these management plans.
02:01:52 Speaker 160: The hope is through these management
02:01:56 Speaker 160: plans it will further streamline the
02:01:58 Speaker 161: planning and archaeological processes, and and
02:02:00 Speaker 161: if you like, demystify some of
02:02:03 Speaker 161: of the current challenges. No doubt,
02:02:10 Speaker 161: will there be requirements for archaeological
02:02:11 Speaker 162: assessments that that landowners don't love?
02:02:14 Speaker 163: Yes, but I think similar to
02:02:18 Speaker 163: the CAO's comments. with more information
02:02:19 Speaker 163: than staff can make more informed
02:02:21 Speaker 39: recommendations, and at the end of
02:02:24 Speaker 39: the day, help inform council. and
02:02:26 Speaker 39: And there are going to be
02:02:28 Speaker 39: those ones where maybe based on
02:02:31 Speaker 39: paper, yes, an archaeological assessment is
02:02:34 Speaker 39: is recommended, but based on practical
02:02:36 Speaker 39: application, if the site is already
02:02:37 Speaker 39: heavily disturbed or if they're not
02:02:40 Speaker 39: changing anything, maybe there will be
02:02:42 Speaker 39: those those opportunities for other exemption
02:02:43 Speaker 39: or saying, well, listen, we understand
02:02:45 Speaker 39: what the requirements say, but here's
02:02:47 Speaker 39: why it. may or may not
02:02:49 Speaker 39: be feasible in this regard. I
02:02:50 Speaker 39: will say, as part of this
02:02:53 Speaker 39: process, the other real benefit to
02:02:54 Speaker 39: county planning staff has been the
02:02:56 Speaker 39: the increased relationship building with our
02:02:58 Speaker 39: Indigenous communities and the Sauganashibway Nation.
02:03:00 Speaker 39: Just as they did for Bruce
02:03:01 Speaker 39: County's archaeological management plan, has been
02:03:03 Speaker 39: with us from day one, supporting
02:03:04 Speaker 39: us, offering in kind services to
02:03:05 Speaker 39: try to advance the the knowledge
02:03:07 Speaker 39: across the territory on this. So,
02:03:10 Speaker 39: if nothing else, you know. I
02:03:11 Speaker 39: think we forged a stronger bond
02:03:14 Speaker 39: with with some of our indigenous
02:03:15 Speaker 39: communities, and also Liz mentioned the
02:03:16 Speaker 164: the Black descendant communities. So there's
02:03:21 Speaker 164: been lots of positive takeaways there
02:03:22 Speaker 164: as well. Okay, thank you. We'll
02:03:23 Speaker 164: go to Councillor Dobrin. Thank you.
02:03:25 Speaker 39: And through you, is it possible
02:03:28 Speaker 39: to call it anything other than
02:03:30 Speaker 39: AMP? We already have an asset
02:03:34 Speaker 39: management plan. Now we're talking about
02:50:54 Speaker 39: AMP. I don't know. Do you
02:50:55 Speaker 39: have a comment on that, Ms.
02:50:56 Speaker 39: Martin? Okay, that's right. And I
02:50:57 Speaker 39: think spell check probably got you
02:50:59 Speaker 39: and converted it to AMO as
02:51:01 Speaker 39: well. That's right. Just because we
02:51:03 Speaker 39: use that terminology for the Association
02:51:06 Speaker 39: of Municipalities of Ontario. For those
02:51:08 Speaker 39: who are following along, okay. Any
02:51:10 Speaker 39: other further comments to receive this
02:51:12 Speaker 39: for information? Okay. I'm not seeing
02:51:15 Speaker 39: any further hands up, so I'll
02:51:18 Speaker 39: call the question. Then, all those
02:51:20 Speaker 39: in favour, and that motion is
02:51:22 Speaker 39: carried. Okay. Thank you, Ms. Buxton.
02:51:27 Speaker 39: Thank you to our consultants who
02:51:29 Speaker 39: have been with us online all
02:51:31 Speaker 39: this morning. We appreciate all of
02:51:34 Speaker 39: the efforts and the information you've
02:51:36 Speaker 39: been able to share. Thank you
02:51:38 Speaker 39: very much. Okay. So we do
02:51:41 Speaker 39: have more items for discussion. So,
02:51:45 Speaker 39: and lunch has arrived, but what?
02:51:47 Speaker 39: So, and we have there. It's
02:51:49 Speaker 39: too much of a gamble with
02:51:51 Speaker 39: the number of items that still
02:51:53 Speaker 39: requires some. Items that still require
02:51:56 Speaker 39: some discussion. So, what we will
02:51:58 Speaker 39: do at this point in time
02:51:59 Speaker 39: is we will call a break.
02:52:00 Speaker 39: We're going to request the presence
02:52:02 Speaker 39: of the committee, the whole members
02:52:04 Speaker 39: down in the stairwell for the
02:52:19 Speaker 39: arranged photo. We will have our
02:52:21 Speaker 39: lunch, and then, Madam Clerk, what
02:52:22 Speaker 39: time can we expect to be
02:52:24 Speaker 165: back? Okay. So, the request would
02:52:27 Speaker 165: be is that we're back at
02:52:30 Speaker 165: twelve forty-five to deal with the
02:52:31 Speaker 165: remaining items for discussion. So, with
02:52:34 Speaker 165: that, we'll turn off our
02:52:36 Speaker 165: mics, and everybody will see everyone
02:52:39 Speaker 165: downstairs. We'll see everyone downstairs. That's
02:52:41 Speaker 165: right. Yes. Yeah. Photo first before
02:52:45 Speaker 165: you spill. Thank you very much.
02:52:47 Speaker 165: So we have now concluded
02:52:50 Speaker 165: our break, and we are
02:52:52 Speaker 165: going to continue with our agenda.
02:52:54 Speaker 165: And we are on agenda seven
02:52:56 Speaker 165: B, item seven B. Item 7B.
02:52:57 Speaker 165: It's recommended that the report PDR
02:53:01 Speaker 165: CW 4925 be received, and that
02:53:02 Speaker 165: all written and oral submissions on
02:53:05 Speaker 165: official plan amendment number 21 were
02:53:09 Speaker 165: considered and helped to make an
02:53:11 Speaker 165: informed recommendation and decision. And that
02:53:13 Speaker 165: proposed county official plan amendment number
02:53:19 Speaker 165: 21 on lands legally described as
02:53:21 Speaker 165: part of lot 75 concession B,
02:53:23 Speaker 165: being part one reference plan 17R531,
02:53:24 Speaker 165: geographic township of Norman B. Norman
02:53:27 Speaker 165: B. Now in the municipality of
02:53:30 Speaker 165: West Grey, be approved to redesignate
02:53:31 Speaker 165: the lands from rural with exceptions
02:53:33 Speaker 165: and hazard lands to space extensive
02:53:35 Speaker 165: industrial and commercial with site specific
02:53:40 Speaker 165: exceptions, rural and hazard lands, and
02:53:41 Speaker 165: that a bylaw to adopt the
02:53:46 Speaker 165: official the county official plan amendment
02:53:48 Speaker 165: be prepared for consideration by county
02:53:51 Speaker 165: council. May I ask for a
02:53:52 Speaker 165: mover? It's moved by Councillor Dickert,
02:53:54 Speaker 165: and seconded by Councillor Kevany. So.
02:53:58 Speaker 165: Mr. Kevany, so it's now on
02:54:01 Speaker 165: the floor for discussions. So, with
02:54:03 Speaker 165: that, I would like to look
02:54:06 Speaker 165: to our planner, Mr. McMurty, who
02:54:07 Speaker 165: is going to come forward with
02:54:09 Speaker 165: the presentation. Good afternoon, everyone. My
02:54:14 Speaker 165: name is Dave McMurty, and I'm
02:54:17 Speaker 165: the county planner assigned to this
02:54:19 Speaker 165: file, OP Twenty One, Martin. Um.
02:54:21 Speaker 165: So the proposed county official plan
02:54:23 Speaker 165: amendment would redesignate the lands from
02:54:25 Speaker 165: rural with exceptions, rural and
02:54:26 Speaker 165: hazard lands, to space extensive industrial
02:54:29 Speaker 165: and commercial with exceptions, rural and
02:54:31 Speaker 165: hazard lands, and this would permit
02:54:35 Speaker 165: an expanded outdoor storage area of
02:54:39 Speaker 165: 2,283 square metres for the existing
02:54:41 Speaker 165: feed storage manufacturing business on the
02:54:43 Speaker 165: property. Pre-submission consultation between the consultant,
02:54:46 Speaker 165: the municipality, and the county identified
02:54:47 Speaker 165: the submission requirements. and the required
02:54:50 Speaker 165: reports were submitted in support of
02:54:52 Speaker 165: the application. A zoning bylaw amendment
02:54:56 Speaker 165: was also required by the municipality
02:54:57 Speaker 165: of West Grey, and has since
02:54:58 Speaker 165: been approved, subject to OP-21 being
02:55:03 Speaker 165: approved. A joint public meeting was
02:55:05 Speaker 165: held to discuss both the OPA
02:55:10 Speaker 165: and the ZBA on February 18,
02:55:12 Speaker 165: 2025. The subject property is located
02:55:15 Speaker 165: on Highway 89, just west of
02:55:16 Speaker 165: the intersection of. Gray Road Six
02:55:19 Speaker 165: and Highway 89, and is about
02:55:22 Speaker 165: two kilometres west of Mount Forest.
02:55:23 Speaker 165: The subject property is located within
02:55:27 Speaker 165: the rural designation and contains an
02:55:29 Speaker 165: existing on-farm diversified use, which predates
02:55:31 Speaker 165: the county's current on-farm diversified use
02:55:33 Speaker 165: policies. the The on-farm diversified use
02:55:34 Speaker 165: was permitted through OPA 138. The
02:55:39 Speaker 165: subject property is approximately 12.2 hectares
02:55:41 Speaker 165: in size and contains a single
02:55:44 Speaker 165: residential dwelling and on-farm diversified. Residential
02:55:46 Speaker 165: dwelling and on for the specified
02:55:51 Speaker 165: use and a barn, and is
02:55:52 Speaker 165: primarily used for farming purposes. The
02:55:54 Speaker 165: subject property is surrounded by low-density
02:55:56 Speaker 165: rural residential lands and active farmland
02:55:57 Speaker 165: to the south and east, low-density
02:56:00 Speaker 165: rural residential and forest lands to
02:56:04 Speaker 165: the west, and active farmland to
02:56:06 Speaker 165: the south, or to the north
02:56:07 Speaker 165: side. OPA 21 will amend Section
02:56:09 Speaker 165: 5.74 of the county's official plan
02:56:11 Speaker 165: with a site-specific amendment and redesignate
02:56:13 Speaker 165: a. portion of the lands from
02:56:14 Speaker 165: rural with exceptions, rural and hazard
02:56:15 Speaker 165: lands to space extensive industrial and
02:56:21 Speaker 165: commercial with exceptions, rural and hazard
02:56:22 Speaker 165: lands to permit an outdoor storage
02:56:24 Speaker 165: area that would otherwise exceed the
02:56:27 Speaker 165: county's official plan on-farm arid use
02:56:29 Speaker 165: size policies. As mentioned previously, in
02:56:31 Speaker 165: 2017, OPA 148 was approved and
02:56:34 Speaker 165: permitted a metal fabrication shop. This
02:56:36 Speaker 165: was done prior to the county's
02:56:38 Speaker 165: current on-farm arid use policies. I
02:56:41 Speaker 165: would also note that OPA 21
02:56:43 Speaker 165: would remove and replace OPA 138.
02:56:45 Speaker 165: The proposed OPA would not change
02:56:47 Speaker 165: the use of the lands or
02:56:50 Speaker 165: expand the existing 557.4 square metre
02:56:51 Speaker 165: shop. The outdoor storage space will
02:56:52 Speaker 165: increase however from 442.6 square metres
02:56:59 Speaker 165: to 2,283 square metres. This larger
02:57:01 Speaker 165: storage space will expand or extend
02:57:02 Speaker 165: towards the rear of the commercial
02:57:06 Speaker 165: area, away from the highway and
02:57:09 Speaker 165: neighbouring properties. The remaining 11.63 hectares
02:57:11 Speaker 165: of the property would continue to
02:57:13 Speaker 165: be used for agricultural purposes. The
02:57:16 Speaker 165: applicant is also proposing to alter
02:57:18 Speaker 165: a farm drainage channel to redesignate
02:57:20 Speaker 165: a portion of the hazard lands
02:57:23 Speaker 165: on the property, to which positive
02:57:29 Speaker 165: comments have been received by SBCA.
02:57:30 Speaker 165: The zoning bylaw amendment would rezone
02:57:33 Speaker 165: the business lands from rural, rural
02:57:34 Speaker 165: with exception, and natural environment to
02:57:36 Speaker 165: rural industrial. with exceptions. Here is
02:57:37 Speaker 165: a map of the portion of
02:57:39 Speaker 165: the property to be redesignated. I
02:57:41 Speaker 165: would note that the schedule included
02:57:43 Speaker 165: in the draft bylaw and in
02:57:45 Speaker 165: this presentation will be corrected before
02:57:48 Speaker 165: the bylaw appears before council. The
02:57:50 Speaker 165: portions of the hazard land that
02:57:52 Speaker 165: would be redesignated are inverse of
02:57:54 Speaker 165: what is shown on the schedule,
02:57:57 Speaker 165: as the hazard lands not within
02:57:59 Speaker 165: the red outline would be redesignated
02:58:03 Speaker 165: to rural, and the lands or
02:58:05 Speaker 165: the hazard lands within the red
02:58:07 Speaker 165: outline would remain as hazard lands.
02:58:11 Speaker 165: The municipality of West Grey, county
02:58:12 Speaker 165: of Wellington, and the historic Sogee
02:58:14 Speaker 165: Mati provided comments indicating no concerns.
02:58:16 Speaker 166: The Sogee Njibway Nation had required
02:58:19 Speaker 165: an archaeological assessment be completed, to
02:58:21 Speaker 165: which a stage one and a
02:58:23 Speaker 165: stage two assessment was completed
02:58:25 Speaker 165: to the satisfaction of Sogee
02:58:29 Speaker 165: Njibway Nation and found no archaeological
02:58:31 Speaker 165: resources on the property. The Ministry
02:58:34 Speaker 165: of Transportation provided comments focusing on.
02:58:36 Speaker 165: the permits required to modify the
02:58:38 Speaker 165: entrance and other requirements such as
02:58:40 Speaker 165: setbacks from the highway, and no
02:58:43 Speaker 165: comments were received from members of
02:58:45 Speaker 165: the public or during the public
02:58:46 Speaker 165: meeting. The 2024 PPS provides direction
02:58:48 Speaker 165: on land uses and economic growth
02:58:50 Speaker 165: within rural areas and rural land
02:58:52 Speaker 165: within municipalities. The PPS does permit
02:58:54 Speaker 165: a variety of OFDs within rural
02:58:55 Speaker 167: areas, however, the OFDs must be
02:58:59 Speaker 167: limited. However, the OFDUs must be
02:59:01 Speaker 167: limited in scale to the size
02:59:03 Speaker 167: requirements set out by the municipality.
02:59:04 Speaker 167: As said previously, the existing OFDU
02:59:06 Speaker 167: exceeds these size requirements as permitted
02:59:08 Speaker 165: before the county's official, Boyer County's
02:59:11 Speaker 165: OFDU size policies existed. While portions
02:59:13 Speaker 165: of the land would be redesignated
02:59:14 Speaker 165: as space extensive, industrial and commercial,
02:59:16 Speaker 165: the use of the property would
02:59:18 Speaker 165: not change, nor would the size
02:59:22 Speaker 165: of the shop building on the
02:59:24 Speaker 165: site. The intensity of the use
02:59:26 Speaker 165: would generally remain consistent. with the
02:59:28 Speaker 165: requirements of the OFT use, except
02:59:29 Speaker 165: that a large area outdoor storage
02:59:30 Speaker 165: area is required. As for the
02:59:33 Speaker 165: county official plan, the subject lands
02:59:35 Speaker 165: are designated as rural, rural with
02:59:37 Speaker 165: exceptions, and hazard land on Schedule
02:59:40 Speaker 165: A. Schedule B indicates that the
02:59:42 Speaker 165: subject lands contain aggregate resource area.
02:59:45 Speaker 165: As the proposal will only extend
02:59:47 Speaker 165: an outdoor storage area, and no
02:59:50 Speaker 165: new permanent structures or sensitive receptors
02:59:53 Speaker 165: will be created. County staff don't
02:59:57 Speaker 165: don't anticipate that any future extraction
02:59:58 Speaker 165: of aggregate material on the Cedar
02:59:59 Speaker 165: Flats or surrounding lands would be
03:00:03 Speaker 165: significantly impacted by the proposed use.
03:00:06 Speaker 165: From an ecological perspective, the property
03:00:08 Speaker 165: contains or is adjacent to a
03:00:11 Speaker 165: stream, river, significant woodland, significant valley
03:00:12 Speaker 165: land, significant wildlife habitat, potential habitat
03:00:15 Speaker 165: for threatened and endangered species, and
03:00:16 Speaker 165: fish habitat. County planning ecology staff
03:00:17 Speaker 165: determined that an environmental impact study
03:00:19 Speaker 165: would not be required. That study
03:00:21 Speaker 165: would not be required, as the
03:00:22 Speaker 165: proposed development would be located on
03:00:26 Speaker 165: previously disturbed and cleared lands. Lastly,
03:00:27 Speaker 165: the subject lands are not covered
03:00:29 Speaker 165: by the West Grey Fisher Plan,
03:00:30 Speaker 165: which only covers Durham and Newstead.
03:00:36 Speaker 165: Based on all of this, the
03:00:37 Speaker 165: proposed development is generally consistent with
03:00:39 Speaker 165: the PPS and generally conforms to
03:00:43 Speaker 165: the goals and objectives of the
03:00:45 Speaker 165: County Fisher Plan. As stated previously,
03:00:47 Speaker 165: County Planning Staff believe that proposed
03:00:50 Speaker 165: development is better is better suited
03:00:51 Speaker 165: as a space extensive use rather
03:00:53 Speaker 165: than a site. Use rather than
03:00:54 Speaker 165: a site-specific on-farm diverse bed use
03:00:56 Speaker 165: for a variety of context-specific reasons.
03:00:58 Speaker 165: To start, the OFDU is is
03:01:01 Speaker 165: existing, and if it were to
03:01:02 Speaker 165: be proposed today, it would not
03:01:04 Speaker 165: be permitted as it would not
03:01:06 Speaker 165: meet the county's OFD size requirements.
03:01:08 Speaker 165: If the proposed development is approved,
03:01:10 Speaker 165: it would occupy approximately four point
03:01:12 Speaker 165: nine percent of the subject property.
03:01:14 Speaker 165: This would be more than double
03:01:16 Speaker 165: the permitted size of a new
03:01:18 Speaker 165: OFD on the property. The last
03:01:20 Speaker 165: reason is that the proposed development
03:01:21 Speaker 168: meets the criteria listed in the
03:01:25 Speaker 168: county official plan for establishing new
03:01:26 Speaker 168: spaces of uses. The criteria includes
03:01:27 Speaker 168: that uses require an accessible site,
03:01:28 Speaker 168: service demand from highway traffic, requires
03:01:32 Speaker 168: a large outdoor storage area, parking
03:01:33 Speaker 168: area, or a large single volume,
03:01:36 Speaker 60: a volume single purpose building, and
03:01:39 Speaker 60: do to the storage area or
03:01:40 Speaker 60: building volume requirements would not be
03:01:42 Speaker 60: feasible within a settlement area. The
03:01:45 Speaker 60: proposed use of The proposed use
03:01:48 Speaker 60: would be locum Highway 89, which
03:01:50 Speaker 60: would provide easy access to the
03:01:51 Speaker 60: site, easily serve highway traffic, and
03:01:52 Speaker 60: provide a direct truck route. It
03:01:54 Speaker 60: would also require a larger outdoor
03:01:56 Speaker 60: storage area, and that if it
03:01:58 Speaker 60: were to be located in a
03:01:59 Speaker 60: settlement area, it would occupy a
03:02:01 Speaker 60: large portion of that settlement area
03:02:03 Speaker 60: that may be better suited for
03:02:05 Speaker 60: other forms of development. It is
03:02:06 Speaker 60: also noted that the entire use
03:02:09 Speaker 60: would be dry in nature and
03:02:11 Speaker 60: would not require access to municipal
03:02:15 Speaker 60: water and sewer services. So staff
03:02:17 Speaker 169: are recommending that the report PDR
03:02:22 Speaker 169: CW forty nine twenty five be
03:02:24 Speaker 165: received, that all written and oral
03:02:29 Speaker 165: submissions on official plan amendment number
03:02:32 Speaker 165: twenty one were considered and helped
03:02:33 Speaker 165: make an informed recommendation and decision,
03:02:36 Speaker 165: and that proposed county official plan
03:02:40 Speaker 165: amendment number twenty one on land
03:02:44 Speaker 165: legally described as part of lot
03:02:47 Speaker 165: seventy five concession B being part
03:02:49 Speaker 165: one reference plan one seven R
03:02:52 Speaker 165: five three. one, the geographic township
03:02:58 Speaker 165: of Norman be now in the
03:02:59 Speaker 165: municipality of Westray be approved to
03:03:01 Speaker 165: redesignate the lands from rural with
03:03:02 Speaker 165: exceptions, and hazard lands to space
03:03:05 Speaker 165: extensive industrial and commercial with site
03:03:08 Speaker 165: specific exceptions rural and hazard
03:03:12 Speaker 165: lands, and a bylaw to adopt
03:03:15 Speaker 165: the county official plan amendment be
03:03:17 Speaker 170: prepared for consideration by county council,
03:03:23 Speaker 171: that includes my presentation and thank
03:03:26 Speaker 171: you. I'm glad to take any
03:03:28 Speaker 60: questions if there are. Okay, thank
03:03:32 Speaker 60: you very much for those details.
03:03:34 Speaker 60: So we'll put it out to
03:03:34 Speaker 60: committee the whole member. To committee
03:03:36 Speaker 60: the whole members for questions. We'll
03:03:37 Speaker 60: begin with Councillor Nielsen. Thank you
03:03:39 Speaker 60: very much, Warden. One question popped
03:03:41 Speaker 60: in my head after our previous
03:03:42 Speaker 60: conversation today. The official plan amendment
03:03:43 Speaker 60: goes in. The official plan states
03:03:45 Speaker 60: specific exemptions, but then the property
03:03:47 Speaker 60: gets zoned. Zoning allows for you
03:03:48 Speaker 60: can go for building permits provided
03:03:50 Speaker 172: it meets the zoning, and you
03:03:53 Speaker 172: don't have to go for plan
03:03:55 Speaker 172: amendment or anything like that. Does
03:03:58 Speaker 172: the zone change? The change in
03:04:01 Speaker 172: the zone allow for more? than
03:04:03 Speaker 172: what they're applying for today. In
03:04:05 Speaker 173: other words, in the future, could
03:04:10 Speaker 173: they apply for an expansion
03:04:12 Speaker 173: on the shop because the zoning
03:04:14 Speaker 173: has changed to allow for that
03:04:17 Speaker 173: without the need to go back
03:04:20 Speaker 173: through the planning files? Just kind
03:04:24 Speaker 173: of wondering the further implications. My
03:04:28 Speaker 173: apologies of this type of zone
03:04:30 Speaker 173: on the property because once it's
03:04:32 Speaker 173: zoned, it's zoned forever. That's a
03:04:33 Speaker 173: good question for you to share.
03:04:36 Speaker 173: or warden, I'd have to look
03:04:41 Speaker 173: into that more. I'm not completely
03:04:44 Speaker 173: familiar with the requirements set out
03:04:46 Speaker 173: in the zoning bylaw, but in
03:04:52 Speaker 174: terms of the redesignated as space
03:04:54 Speaker 173: extensive use, those site specific exceptions
03:04:57 Speaker 173: for it would limit the permitted
03:05:01 Speaker 173: uses to ones that are generally
03:05:04 Speaker 173: permitted as on front diversified uses,
03:05:07 Speaker 173: and like I said, I'd have
03:05:15 Speaker 173: to look through the zoning bylaw
03:05:16 Speaker 175: that was approved and see if
03:05:21 Speaker 175: there's an exact size requirement listed
03:05:22 Speaker 175: in there. But as I said,
03:05:24 Speaker 175: it also would exceed the currently
03:05:26 Speaker 176: permitted building size requirements, and so
03:05:30 Speaker 177: unless it's specifically stated in that
03:05:33 Speaker 177: zoning bylaw, they would then have
03:05:36 Speaker 177: to follow up. Thank you, Warden,
03:05:39 Speaker 177: and my apologies, everybody. I'm thinking,
03:05:41 Speaker 177: like, if they were to do
03:05:45 Speaker 177: a storage facility, so right now
03:05:47 Speaker 177: it's open storage, but they want
03:05:49 Speaker 177: to build a storage facility, and
03:05:51 Speaker 177: then that ends up getting converted
03:05:53 Speaker 177: and changed. I'm just wondering that
03:05:55 Speaker 177: implication. So, I appreciate the the
03:05:58 Speaker 177: fact that this is a question
03:06:01 Speaker 177: that was sprung on you because
03:06:02 Speaker 177: I didn't think about it until
03:06:05 Speaker 177: earlier conversation about how zoning and
03:06:08 Speaker 177: building permits and such may affect
03:06:09 Speaker 177: other documents that are needed. But
03:06:11 Speaker 177: thank you very much for the
03:06:14 Speaker 177: response. Okay, I'm looking around the
03:06:16 Speaker 177: chamber then to see if there
03:06:19 Speaker 177: are other questions, and we'll go
03:06:21 Speaker 177: to Councillor Dobrin. Thank you, Warden,
03:06:23 Speaker 177: and through you, thank you for
03:06:25 Speaker 177: the very thorough report. Not very
03:06:27 Speaker 177: clear on special space extensive industrial
03:06:29 Speaker 177: and commercial designations. It's the first
03:06:32 Speaker 177: time I've heard of it, but
03:06:34 Speaker 177: I'm always eager to learn. four
03:06:37 Speaker 177: point nine percent being significantly greater
03:06:38 Speaker 177: than the two percent allowed, and
03:06:41 Speaker 177: another, you know, is this a
03:06:44 Speaker 177: get around the provincial policy statement
03:06:46 Speaker 177: that allows up to two percent
03:06:48 Speaker 177: for on farm diversified uses? And
03:06:52 Speaker 177: what we're seeing is requests for
03:06:53 Speaker 177: you know expansion beyond that, you
03:06:55 Speaker 177: know, called you know expansion
03:06:58 Speaker 177: creep. I'm I have concerns. To
03:07:00 Speaker 177: Councillor Nielsen's point, is what does
03:07:01 Speaker 177: this open up down the road
03:07:04 Speaker 177: for it or other on farm
03:07:05 Speaker 177: diversified uses? I'm not supportive of
03:07:07 Speaker 177: it on as on its merits
03:07:09 Speaker 177: right now because it's so significant.
03:07:11 Speaker 177: Okay, it looks like Director Taylor
03:07:13 Speaker 177: is going. to respond. Yeah, thank
03:07:15 Speaker 177: you for your question, Councillor Bruni.
03:07:18 Speaker 177: Through you, Madam Warden, and Derek,
03:07:20 Speaker 178: feel free to tag in at
03:07:22 Speaker 178: the end here. Generally speaking, the
03:07:24 Speaker 177: the on-farm diversified use policies in
03:07:27 Speaker 177: in the provincial planning statement refer
03:07:29 Speaker 177: specifically or pertain specifically to prime
03:07:30 Speaker 177: agricultural areas, and and the intent
03:07:33 Speaker 177: there is to to limit the
03:07:35 Speaker 177: amount of sort of non-farm development
03:07:37 Speaker 177: on. those prime agricultural lands. In
03:07:39 Speaker 177: this case, the county has has
03:07:41 Speaker 177: chosen to also apply those same
03:07:41 Speaker 177: policies to our our rural designated
03:07:42 Speaker 179: lands. So these lands are designated
03:07:47 Speaker 86: rural. Currently, they're not. They're not
03:07:50 Speaker 86: prime ag. In in the hopes
03:07:51 Speaker 86: of allowing for sort of a
03:07:55 Speaker 86: more diversified rural economy. That said,
03:07:56 Speaker 86: the provincial planning statement gives broader
03:07:57 Speaker 86: permissions for rural lands to go
03:07:59 Speaker 86: above and beyond those strict requirements
03:08:01 Speaker 86: of the on-farm diversified uses that
03:08:02 Speaker 86: are. permitted in the prime agricultural
03:08:05 Speaker 180: areas. So in this case, county
03:08:09 Speaker 86: staff chatted about it, and we
03:08:12 Speaker 86: chatted with municipal staff and and
03:08:19 Speaker 86: the proponent as well to look
03:08:21 Speaker 86: at what the best fit here.
03:08:23 Speaker 86: We could we could look at
03:08:25 Speaker 86: a on farm diversified use with
03:08:26 Speaker 86: exceptions type designation and zoning, or
03:08:28 Speaker 86: we could look at a space
03:08:30 Speaker 86: extensive. And space extensive is a
03:08:33 Speaker 86: is a designation that's been used
03:08:35 Speaker 86: across the county, particularly where we.
03:08:53 Speaker 86: had uses across the countryside that
03:08:55 Speaker 181: were dry in nature, as Derek
03:08:57 Speaker 181: had said, and do require larger
03:08:59 Speaker 181: areas, often for for outdoor storage.
03:09:01 Speaker 181: So, you know, a great example
03:09:02 Speaker 181: would be a business that's that's
03:09:03 Speaker 182: dealing in landscaping supplies, flagstones, everything
03:09:09 Speaker 182: else like that. They need a
03:09:11 Speaker 182: ton of space just to store
03:09:14 Speaker 183: all those materials, but they're not
03:09:16 Speaker 183: necessarily a use that needs to
03:09:19 Speaker 183: be on water and sewer, and
03:09:21 Speaker 183: and and not necessarily a use
03:09:25 Speaker 183: that needs to be in a
03:09:27 Speaker 183: traditional business park, if you if
03:09:29 Speaker 183: you like, and so this this
03:09:30 Speaker 183: isn't certainly quite as space extensive
03:09:32 Speaker 183: as that. But in staff's opinion,
03:09:35 Speaker 183: we saw this as as befitting
03:09:37 Speaker 183: a space extensive designation, probably more
03:09:39 Speaker 183: so than the on farm diversified
03:09:41 Speaker 183: use, based on the the
03:09:44 Speaker 184: need for the outdoor storage. But
03:09:49 Speaker 184: we're also cognizant of the fact
03:09:51 Speaker 183: that that this official plan amendment
03:09:53 Speaker 183: and zoning, if approved, weren't going
03:09:57 Speaker 183: to take any further land out
03:09:59 Speaker 183: of out of production. from an
03:10:02 Speaker 183: agricultural perspective. So I don't know,
03:10:03 Speaker 183: Derek, if you have anything further
03:10:06 Speaker 183: to add, but that's just a
03:10:10 Speaker 183: little bit of context. Okay. Anything
03:10:11 Speaker 183: further? No. Okay. So with that,
03:10:15 Speaker 183: I'll look around for any other
03:10:17 Speaker 183: hands. Not seeing any. Okay. So
03:10:19 Speaker 183: I think we've asked all of
03:10:20 Speaker 183: the questions. Thank you very much
03:10:22 Speaker 183: for that information in the presentation
03:10:23 Speaker 183: as well as your explanations. And
03:10:25 Speaker 183: with that, I'll call the question.
03:10:26 Speaker 183: All those in favour? And that
03:10:28 Speaker 183: motion is carried. Thank you. Okay,
03:10:31 Speaker 183: so moving to item seven C,
03:10:33 Speaker 183: it's recommended that report CAOR CW
03:10:34 Speaker 183: twenty two twenty five the climate
03:10:37 Speaker 183: change initiatives update be received for
03:10:40 Speaker 183: information. May ask for a mover
03:10:41 Speaker 183: and a seconder. We've got it
03:10:43 Speaker 183: moved by Councillor McKay, seconded by
03:10:46 Speaker 185: Councillor Pringle. It's now on the
03:10:50 Speaker 185: floor for discussion. Welcome, Miss Swanson.
03:10:52 Speaker 185: She is going to come and
03:10:54 Speaker 185: introduce it along. with the presentation.
03:10:55 Speaker 185: Thank you, and good afternoon, members
03:10:57 Speaker 185: of council. So, it's my pleasure
03:10:59 Speaker 183: today to provide you with an
03:11:01 Speaker 183: update on the work that has
03:11:04 Speaker 183: happened in the last year
03:11:07 Speaker 183: or so on our going green
03:11:08 Speaker 183: and gray climate. Action Plan. Going
03:11:13 Speaker 183: Green and Gray is the plan
03:11:14 Speaker 183: that was approved in 2022, which
03:11:16 Speaker 183: lays out 21 community actions and
03:11:18 Speaker 183: 13 corporate actions to set Gray
03:11:20 Speaker 183: County on the path for net
03:11:23 Speaker 183: zero by 2050, while realizing community
03:11:25 Speaker 183: benefits to our economy, social well-being,
03:11:27 Speaker 183: and our natural environment. I want
03:11:29 Speaker 183: to stress that the report in
03:11:31 Speaker 183: front of you today is not
03:11:33 Speaker 183: a department. Is not a departmental
03:11:34 Speaker 183: annual report. It's not even a
03:11:36 Speaker 183: great county report. It's really a
03:11:37 Speaker 183: picture of the progress that's being
03:11:41 Speaker 183: achieved across our community through collabouration,
03:11:42 Speaker 183: and really working together towards these
03:11:50 Speaker 183: goals. In front of you are
03:11:53 Speaker 183: two documents. One is the staff
03:11:54 Speaker 183: report, and one is a sort
03:11:57 Speaker 183: of visual snapshot. Both try to
03:11:58 Speaker 183: provide a comprehensive update on implementation
03:12:00 Speaker 183: progress. Both the activities that have
03:12:03 Speaker 183: been undertaken by Gray County as
03:12:06 Speaker 183: an organisation, our member municipalities, and
03:12:08 Speaker 183: our community partners. Within the staff
03:12:10 Speaker 183: report, there is a detailed action
03:12:17 Speaker 183: level implementation table. And for our
03:12:19 Speaker 183: public reporting this year, we took
03:12:21 Speaker 03: a digital first strategy. So you
03:12:31 Speaker 03: may remember last year there was
03:12:32 Speaker 03: a slightly longer document that came
03:12:33 Speaker 03: to you that outlined what we
03:12:34 Speaker 03: had achieved. What we've done this
03:12:35 Speaker 03: year is produced the pamphlet in
03:12:37 Speaker 183: front of you, which is really
03:12:40 Speaker 183: intended to. invite our our residents
03:12:43 Speaker 183: and stakeholders to visit our web
03:12:46 Speaker 183: page, which I will show you
03:12:47 Speaker 183: briefly in a moment. One of
03:12:49 Speaker 183: the advantages of this is that
03:12:50 Speaker 183: it's a shorter printed document and
03:12:52 Speaker 183: allows us to provide more detailed,
03:12:54 Speaker 183: layered information on the web page.
03:12:56 Speaker 183: So we wanted to really, at
03:12:57 Speaker 183: this point, a few years into
03:13:00 Speaker 183: implementing the plan, take stock of
03:13:02 Speaker 183: what we've managed to achieve. So
03:13:03 Speaker 183: in the staff report, you do
03:13:05 Speaker 183: see. an action by action progress
03:13:08 Speaker 183: update. So across all 21 community
03:13:09 Speaker 183: actions and all 13 corporate actions,
03:13:11 Speaker 183: identifying partners that we're working with
03:13:13 Speaker 183: and progress that has been accomplished.
03:13:16 Speaker 183: In the snapshot that each of
03:13:19 Speaker 183: you have in front of you,
03:13:21 Speaker 183: as I mentioned, we went for
03:13:22 Speaker 183: this digital first strategy for a
03:13:25 Speaker 183: number of reasons. By producing a
03:13:28 Speaker 183: shorter PDF document, which is also
03:13:30 Speaker 183: available on our website, and instead
03:13:31 Speaker 183: providing Site and instead providing the
03:13:33 Speaker 183: majority of the information on the
03:13:35 Speaker 183: web page. It's a more searchable
03:13:39 Speaker 183: format. It's also more accessible, and
03:13:41 Speaker 183: it also allows us to keep
03:13:43 Speaker 183: that information evergreen. So as additional
03:13:45 Speaker 183: work happens, we can add it
03:13:47 Speaker 183: to the website in a layered
03:13:49 Speaker 183: fashion. I'm going to test my
03:13:52 Speaker 183: technological prowess here. So within the
03:13:55 Speaker 183: web page, you have a link
03:13:57 Speaker 183: to the same PDF document that
03:13:58 Speaker 183: you have print copies of. and
03:14:01 Speaker 183: then, for example, here where we're
03:14:02 Speaker 183: talking about our corporate actions, you
03:14:04 Speaker 183: have hyperlinks to more information about
03:14:07 Speaker 183: the work that we're doing, and
03:14:09 Speaker 186: then across the themes of the
03:14:13 Speaker 186: Going Green and Plan Gray plan,
03:14:14 Speaker 183: there are drop-down accordions, again providing
03:14:18 Speaker 183: links and photos beyond what we
03:14:20 Speaker 183: would be able to capture in
03:14:22 Speaker 183: a printed or PDF document. So
03:14:23 Speaker 183: now that I've told you a
03:14:26 Speaker 183: little bit about how we're telling
03:14:27 Speaker 183: the story, I'll tell you a
03:14:29 Speaker 183: little bit about some of the
03:14:32 Speaker 183: great work that we've been able
03:14:34 Speaker 183: to accomplish again, community and corporate
03:14:36 Speaker 183: wide. So one is funding success.
03:14:38 Speaker 183: So collectively across Gray County organisation,
03:14:40 Speaker 183: we have been able to secure
03:14:42 Speaker 183: twelve point nine million dollars in
03:14:44 Speaker 183: external funding. I need to be
03:14:46 Speaker 183: very clear that the vast majority
03:14:48 Speaker 183: of that. nine point five million
03:14:49 Speaker 183: is for a regional transit network
03:14:51 Speaker 183: that is not directly the work
03:14:53 Speaker 183: of the climate action team, but
03:14:56 Speaker 183: certainly having low carbon mobility options
03:14:57 Speaker 183: for our residents is an important
03:14:58 Speaker 183: part of the going green and
03:15:01 Speaker 183: gray plan. More directly within the
03:15:03 Speaker 183: purview of the climate initiatives team,
03:15:05 Speaker 183: we are, as a regional
03:15:12 Speaker 183: partnership, able to secure two point
03:15:15 Speaker 183: five million dollars in funding for
03:15:16 Speaker 183: public electric vehicle chargers, nearly forty
03:15:18 Speaker 183: four hundred and fifty thousand dollars
03:15:20 Speaker 183: in support. of the Future Ready
03:15:22 Speaker 183: Green Development Programme, one hundred and
03:15:24 Speaker 183: thirty thousand to support climate adaptation,
03:15:27 Speaker 183: ninety thousand to make Gray County
03:15:29 Speaker 183: buildings more efficient. Those are just
03:15:32 Speaker 183: a few of the highlights, and
03:15:35 Speaker 183: there is a detailed list of
03:15:37 Speaker 183: the funding within the staff report.
03:15:41 Speaker 183: As I mentioned, this really is
03:15:45 Speaker 183: a community plan. We work with
03:15:47 Speaker 183: over forty community partners in terms
03:15:50 Speaker 183: of advancing these objectives. They range
03:15:52 Speaker 183: from conservation authorities to nonprofits to
03:15:54 Speaker 183: high. To nonprofits, to higher education,
03:15:56 Speaker 183: to the health sector, to indigenous
03:15:59 Speaker 183: organisations. So we really are trying,
03:16:01 Speaker 183: as a county, to act as
03:16:03 Speaker 183: a catalyst and an enabler
03:16:05 Speaker 183: as much as an action taker.
03:16:08 Speaker 183: And of course, our most important
03:16:10 Speaker 183: partners are our local and regional
03:16:13 Speaker 183: municipalities, all of whom are profiled
03:16:15 Speaker 183: in these documents and essential elements
03:16:17 Speaker 183: of advancing this work. In terms
03:16:20 Speaker 183: of leading by example, so activities
03:16:22 Speaker 183: Gray County is undertaking ourselves, we.
03:16:24 Speaker 183: Selves, we are striving for any
03:16:27 Speaker 183: new construction to build to a
03:16:28 Speaker 183: net zero ready standard. So that
03:16:32 Speaker 183: includes our Rockwood Terrace long term
03:16:35 Speaker 183: care home redevelopment project, as well
03:16:38 Speaker 183: as a number of our paramedic
03:16:40 Speaker 183: bases. We've received federal funding to
03:16:42 Speaker 183: install twenty EV fleet chargers for
03:16:45 Speaker 183: our own vehicles, and we'll be
03:16:48 Speaker 183: piloting two light duty electric vehicles
03:16:50 Speaker 183: this year. We were able to
03:16:51 Speaker 183: engage ten departments internally in our
03:16:52 Speaker 183: first ever workplace sustainability challenge, and
03:16:57 Speaker 183: have also, as is illustrated in
03:16:59 Speaker 183: the the picture. As illustrated in
03:17:02 Speaker 183: the picture on the slide, in
03:17:05 Speaker 183: the last year, had four work
03:17:07 Speaker 183: bees with over forty volunteers to
03:17:10 Speaker 183: continue the naturalization of the property
03:17:12 Speaker 183: that we're meeting on today. We
03:17:15 Speaker 183: also continue, as I said, in
03:17:17 Speaker 183: an effort to be an enabler
03:17:19 Speaker 183: to meet regularly with our nine
03:17:22 Speaker 183: member municipalities and ten public sector
03:17:24 Speaker 183: organisations through our community of practice
03:17:27 Speaker 183: model, which enables information sharing and
03:17:28 Speaker 187: collabouration. Nature-based solutions in agriculture. One.
03:17:32 Speaker 188: of the things that really sets
03:17:35 Speaker 188: the Going Green and Green Plan
03:17:38 Speaker 188: apart is its grounding in our
03:17:39 Speaker 188: local and regional landscape. We really
03:17:41 Speaker 189: centre the importance of nature-based and
03:17:43 Speaker 189: agricultural solutions to climate action, and
03:17:45 Speaker 189: as part of that, have funded
03:17:47 Speaker 189: 13 local farms across 2024 and
03:17:49 Speaker 189: 2025, covering in the last couple
03:17:50 Speaker 189: of years. Well, currently in the
03:17:52 Speaker 183: 2025 year, 265 acres of agricultural
03:17:55 Speaker 183: land to pilot. different sustainable approaches.
03:17:57 Speaker 183: We're promoting local producers through
03:17:59 Speaker 183: the Gather Initiative, cross corporately, as
03:18:01 Speaker 183: well as cross corporately promoting the
03:18:02 Speaker 183: Living Snow Fence Programme, which supports
03:18:05 Speaker 183: the planting of trees to reduce
03:18:08 Speaker 183: blowing snow in the winter. And
03:18:11 Speaker 183: we're also updating and developing a
03:18:13 Speaker 183: number of our planning policies, including
03:18:15 Speaker 183: the Ecological Replacement and Enhancement Policy
03:18:16 Speaker 183: and the Forest Management Bylaw, all
03:18:18 Speaker 183: in an effort to advance nature-based
03:18:20 Speaker 183: climate solutions. Waste management is clearly
03:18:24 Speaker 183: the purview of our member municipalities.
03:18:27 Speaker 183: We do convene a waste management
03:18:30 Speaker 183: community of practice where regularly staff
03:18:31 Speaker 183: share best practices, and across grey
03:18:33 Speaker 183: we see major advances in this
03:18:35 Speaker 183: area. With four municipalities having organics
03:18:37 Speaker 183: and green bin collection, including Owen
03:18:41 Speaker 183: Sound, recently launching theirs. Four hundred
03:18:44 Speaker 183: food cyclers, so countertop composting units,
03:18:46 Speaker 183: having being distributed in two municipalities.
03:18:50 Speaker 183: Six municipalities having reused. Municipalities having
03:18:52 Speaker 183: reuse centres or similar types of
03:18:54 Speaker 183: initiatives, and four community repair cafes.
03:18:55 Speaker 183: So you'll see residents sharing their
03:18:57 Speaker 183: expertise on how to fix a
03:18:59 Speaker 183: broken toaster or what you might
03:19:00 Speaker 183: be able to do to keep
03:19:02 Speaker 183: a small appliance operational. In terms
03:19:04 Speaker 183: of EVs, transit, and active transportation,
03:19:07 Speaker 183: in addition to the 9.5 million
03:19:09 Speaker 183: in transit funding, the breakdown of
03:19:10 Speaker 183: that 2.5 million for a regional
03:19:11 Speaker 183: fast charging network includes 600 that.
03:19:16 Speaker 183: Includes six hundred thousand directly
03:19:19 Speaker 183: flowing into Gray County for
03:19:21 Speaker 183: three electric vehicle, fast electric vehicle
03:19:23 Speaker 183: chargers. Already, six local municipalities
03:19:25 Speaker 183: have one or more electric or
03:19:27 Speaker 183: hybrid vehicles within their fleets, and
03:19:29 Speaker 183: we see the updating of the
03:19:31 Speaker 183: county's paved shoulder policy to support
03:19:35 Speaker 183: active transportation and recreation, as well
03:19:37 Speaker 183: as a share the road. I'm
03:19:40 Speaker 183: just going to keep going. A
03:19:42 Speaker 183: share the road signage and update
03:19:45 Speaker 183: to a. An update to a
03:19:46 Speaker 183: cycling map and media campaign to
03:19:49 Speaker 183: try and encourage all road users
03:19:51 Speaker 183: to share the roads together. In
03:19:53 Speaker 183: terms of building and development, the
03:19:56 Speaker 183: Future Ready programme is well underway.
03:19:58 Speaker 183: We'll be giving you a more
03:20:00 Speaker 183: fulsome update at the August council
03:20:03 Speaker 183: meeting, but we continue to collabourate
03:20:05 Speaker 183: with different and Wellington counties to
03:20:08 Speaker 183: really advance an effort to support
03:20:09 Speaker 183: our regional development and construction industries
03:20:10 Speaker 183: in building for the future, being
03:20:13 Speaker 183: prepared for future building requirements from
03:20:16 Speaker 183: the federal government, and providing our
03:20:20 Speaker 183: residents with. residential construction that is
03:20:21 Speaker 183: efficient and meets the future needs.
03:20:22 Speaker 183: There are a number of retrofit
03:20:25 Speaker 183: programmemes being offered at this time
03:20:26 Speaker 183: by the provincial government and utilities,
03:20:29 Speaker 183: and so we continue to promote
03:20:30 Speaker 183: those out to our residents to
03:20:32 Speaker 183: support them in accessing them. Climate
03:20:33 Speaker 183: adaptation—you've heard about quite recently. We've
03:20:35 Speaker 183: completed our resilient gray engagement process.
03:20:37 Speaker 183: This was quite innovative. We ran
03:20:40 Speaker 183: some of Gray County's first Spotify
03:20:41 Speaker 183: ads to invite people to. complete
03:20:43 Speaker 183: a survey. We engaged with over
03:20:44 Speaker 183: we had 585 engagements where we
03:20:46 Speaker 183: touched various community events, as well
03:20:49 Speaker 183: as inviting residents to host their
03:20:51 Speaker 183: own conversations. There is an advisory
03:20:52 Speaker 183: group who, again, is multi-sectoral. So
03:20:55 Speaker 183: I want to sort of
03:20:59 Speaker 183: I guess stress in the climate
03:21:00 Speaker 183: adaptation space. There's both light touch
03:21:02 Speaker 183: engagements where maybe a resident
03:21:05 Speaker 183: talks to us for five minutes
03:21:08 Speaker 183: and learns something, and then we're
03:21:10 Speaker 183: actually able to mobilize the commitment.
03:21:12 Speaker 183: of community stakeholders like the conservation
03:21:13 Speaker 183: authorities, United Way, the utilities, who
03:21:15 Speaker 183: are actually giving us days of
03:21:17 Speaker 183: their time to support us in
03:21:19 Speaker 183: coming up with a resilient gray
03:21:20 Speaker 190: plan. We are updating technical guidance
03:21:24 Speaker 190: within the planning department around stormwater
03:21:25 Speaker 190: management and erosion control. We also
03:21:26 Speaker 191: continue to collabourate with municipalities and
03:21:30 Speaker 191: conservation authorities to align hazard mapping
03:21:31 Speaker 191: and municipal mapping. So all trying
03:21:33 Speaker 191: to help us be a resilient.
03:21:34 Speaker 191: gray community. The final theme I'll
03:21:35 Speaker 86: speak to is outreach and engagement.
03:21:38 Speaker 86: We do continue on a one-on-one
03:21:40 Speaker 86: resident basis to try and help
03:21:42 Speaker 86: build capacity. We've attended over thirty-eight
03:21:43 Speaker 86: events within the last year. We
03:21:47 Speaker 192: have a sort of monthly-ish e-newsletter
03:21:51 Speaker 193: that goes out. There's been a
03:21:54 Speaker 193: fifty-eight percent growth in subscribers to
03:21:56 Speaker 193: over five hundred. We've been deeply
03:21:59 Speaker 193: involved in various youth climate action
03:22:01 Speaker 193: efforts, including the third and Including
03:22:03 Speaker 193: the third annual Youth Climate Action
03:22:07 Speaker 193: Conference back in November, where 130
03:22:09 Speaker 193: students attended from 27 regional schools,
03:22:11 Speaker 193: we're also supporting the work of
03:22:12 Speaker 193: the Town of the Blue Mountains
03:22:14 Speaker 193: and their Youth Climate Action Fund
03:22:17 Speaker 193: that's distributed over $117,000 in micro
03:22:21 Speaker 193: grants to 20 youth-led projects. And
03:22:22 Speaker 193: that's not everything, but I hope
03:22:25 Speaker 193: those are some of the highlights,
03:22:27 Speaker 193: some of the things that we're
03:22:30 Speaker 193: most excited about. This is a
03:22:32 Speaker 193: screenshot of one of the panels
03:22:37 Speaker 193: in the print. document. So I
03:22:40 Speaker 193: spoke mostly about things that Gray
03:22:44 Speaker 193: County is doing, but I do
03:22:47 Speaker 193: really want to emphasize that this
03:22:49 Speaker 193: is about catalyzing and working
03:22:50 Speaker 193: with our member municipalities as well.
03:22:53 Speaker 193: So through our municipal community of
03:22:55 Speaker 193: practice, we reached out to the
03:22:57 Speaker 193: CAs and sort of asked them
03:23:01 Speaker 193: to flag some of the things
03:23:04 Speaker 193: happening locally that they thought it
03:23:06 Speaker 193: would be good to profile. In
03:23:08 Speaker 194: terms of next steps, we are
03:23:12 Speaker 194: going to continue to identify opportunities
03:23:14 Speaker 194: to support investments in long-term sustainability.
03:23:16 Speaker 195: and particularly external funding that we
03:23:18 Speaker 195: may be able to leverage to
03:23:20 Speaker 195: advance council's goals, while building strategic
03:23:23 Speaker 195: partnerships and capacity internally for this
03:23:25 Speaker 195: kind of work. So, a huge
03:23:27 Speaker 195: thank you to everyone around this
03:23:30 Speaker 195: table, as well as our community
03:23:34 Speaker 195: and the work that we've been
03:23:38 Speaker 195: able to accomplish, and also, of
03:23:40 Speaker 195: course, to the Climate Initiatives team
03:23:42 Speaker 195: who did a lot of the
03:23:44 Speaker 195: legwork in pulling this report together,
03:23:47 Speaker 195: including Megan. Yes. So, thank you
03:23:50 Speaker 195: very much for your time, and
03:23:53 Speaker 195: happy to answer any questions. Okay,
03:23:55 Speaker 195: thank you, and it is lovely
03:23:58 Speaker 195: to see that document as well.
03:23:59 Speaker 195: That will be good for us
03:24:01 Speaker 195: to be able to share the
03:24:03 Speaker 195: news in our municipalities. So, with
03:24:05 Speaker 195: that, then I will just take
03:24:08 Speaker 195: a moment here. We'll get the
03:24:11 Speaker 195: screen back. I'll look around the
03:24:13 Speaker 195: room for any questions, and we'll
03:24:16 Speaker 195: go to Councillor Dobrin. Thank you,
03:24:19 Speaker 195: and through you, thank you very
03:24:21 Speaker 196: much. Beautifully done. and it leads
03:24:24 Speaker 196: you if you have the capability
03:24:26 Speaker 196: and the interest to go to
03:24:27 Speaker 196: the website. Then it it encourages
03:24:28 Speaker 196: you to do so. Excuse me.
03:24:30 Speaker 196: I guess my my question is
03:24:31 Speaker 196: threefold. You you mentioned on one
03:24:34 Speaker 196: of your pages, one of your
03:24:40 Speaker 196: slides, the waste diversion, and you
03:24:41 Speaker 86: talked about the number of municipalities
03:24:46 Speaker 86: that have organics reuse centres, EV
03:24:48 Speaker 86: charging. Are is there a potential
03:24:51 Speaker 86: for that to be mapped, so
03:24:55 Speaker 86: that people can have a visual?
03:24:57 Speaker 86: I didn't notice it, but and
03:24:59 Speaker 86: I admit I haven't been to
03:25:01 Speaker 16: the website yet. And in our
03:25:07 Speaker 16: climate, given our most recent climate
03:25:08 Speaker 16: winter, I can see the benefit
03:25:10 Speaker 16: of hybrid vehicles. I'm curious as
03:25:11 Speaker 16: to with all of the charging
03:25:13 Speaker 197: stations or the charging infrastructure that
03:25:16 Speaker 198: we've gotten funding. for, are we
03:25:18 Speaker 198: tracking how they're being used? Like
03:25:20 Speaker 198: the frequency, I see, you know,
03:25:23 Speaker 198: banks of charging stations in other
03:25:25 Speaker 198: municipalities empty, you know, more times
03:25:26 Speaker 199: than they have even one vehicle.
03:25:31 Speaker 199: I just wondered if that is
03:25:32 Speaker 199: being tracked. Thank you. Thank you
03:25:34 Speaker 82: through the question for the question
03:25:36 Speaker 82: and through you, Madam Warden. I
03:25:38 Speaker 200: think we could map some of
03:25:41 Speaker 200: those assets. Are maybe all. Those
03:25:43 Speaker 201: assets are maybe already being mapped
03:25:47 Speaker 201: elsewhere. There is a sustainability assets
03:25:49 Speaker 201: map that Gray County hosts, and
03:25:52 Speaker 201: we can certainly look at including
03:25:55 Speaker 201: things like which municipalities have different
03:25:57 Speaker 201: diversions, diversion programmemes available for EVs
03:25:59 Speaker 201: specifically. Because so many, because I'm
03:26:02 Speaker 201: not an EV owner, but from
03:26:05 Speaker 201: talking to EV owners, I you
03:26:07 Speaker 201: really want a comprehensive map of
03:26:10 Speaker 201: all charging opportunities, not maps
03:26:13 Speaker 201: of specific networks of charging opportunities,
03:26:16 Speaker 202: so we tend to rely on
03:26:18 Speaker 151: third-party mappers of EVs because they
03:26:20 Speaker 151: are able to keep them current.
03:26:21 Speaker 151: In terms of the funding that
03:26:23 Speaker 151: Gray County has received, we haven't.
03:26:25 Speaker 151: We're in the process of installing
03:26:26 Speaker 151: those chargers. So certainly, once they
03:26:28 Speaker 151: are installed, we will be tracking
03:26:30 Speaker 151: usage. And yeah, I think it's
03:26:34 Speaker 203: it's something we know other municipalities
03:26:36 Speaker 203: certainly are keeping that information for
03:26:37 Speaker 203: their chargers. So we'll be. doing
03:26:38 Speaker 203: the same. Okay, thank you. Looking
03:26:40 Speaker 203: around the room, okay, I'm not
03:26:41 Speaker 203: seeing any further hands up. So
03:26:43 Speaker 203: in that case, then thank you
03:26:44 Speaker 203: very much for providing us that
03:26:46 Speaker 203: update and for the document that
03:26:47 Speaker 204: we can share. And I'll call
03:26:52 Speaker 204: the question. All those in favour?
03:26:54 Speaker 204: And that motion is
03:26:56 Speaker 204: carried. Thank you. And we have
03:26:58 Speaker 204: one more then that needs discussion:
03:26:59 Speaker 204: 7D, and. this is we are
03:27:00 Speaker 204: revisiting this this information with
03:27:02 Speaker 204: extra information included. So the recommendation
03:27:06 Speaker 204: is that report EDC. Okay, so
03:27:08 Speaker 204: Madam Clerk, I just want to
03:27:09 Speaker 204: check with you too because we
03:27:11 Speaker 204: did have an originally moved motion.
03:27:13 Speaker 204: So do you want to speak?
03:27:14 Speaker 204: So we did have a motion
03:27:16 Speaker 204: that was deferred from a prior
03:27:18 Speaker 204: meeting to be brought forward to
03:27:20 Speaker 204: a future meeting. So it was
03:27:21 Speaker 205: originally moved. by Councillors Carlson, Carleton,
03:27:24 Speaker 205: and Patterson. But to get it
03:27:26 Speaker 205: back on the floor, if Council
03:27:27 Speaker 204: could put forward, move and second
03:27:31 Speaker 204: it again, and put the original
03:27:33 Speaker 204: motion back on the floor, and
03:27:34 Speaker 204: then we can proceed from there.
03:27:34 Speaker 204: Okay, so you would like me
03:27:36 Speaker 204: to read out the recommended motion,
03:27:38 Speaker 204: and then see if Councillor Carleton
03:27:39 Speaker 204: and Councillor Patterson are still moving
03:27:41 Speaker 204: that motion. Okay, all right, so.
03:27:44 Speaker 204: with that, it's recommended that report
03:27:46 Speaker 204: EDTC CW zero six twenty five
03:27:47 Speaker 204: regarding Gray Roots Village unanticipated capital
03:27:48 Speaker 204: capital projects twenty twenty five be
03:27:49 Speaker 204: received, and that the schoolhouse portion
03:27:50 Speaker 204: of the twenty twenty seven Cedar
03:27:52 Speaker 204: Shingle capital project be advanced to
03:27:54 Speaker 204: twenty twenty five due to failed
03:27:56 Speaker 204: inspection. That the schoolhouse roof replacement
03:27:58 Speaker 204: be funded from a combination of
03:28:01 Speaker 204: year end surplus and Gray Roots
03:28:02 Speaker 204: Marston Village. Building Improvements Reserved. So,
03:28:04 Speaker 204: Councillor Carlton, that is continues to
03:28:07 Speaker 204: be what you would move, okay?
03:28:08 Speaker 204: And Councillor Patterson, okay. So, I'm
03:28:09 Speaker 204: seeing a nod of head from
03:28:11 Speaker 204: both the mover and the second,
03:28:12 Speaker 204: Madam Clerk. So, we have that
03:28:13 Speaker 204: now on the floor to pick
03:28:19 Speaker 204: up the conversation. Now, so welcome,
03:28:20 Speaker 204: Director Myers, if you would like
03:28:23 Speaker 204: to present the updated information. Thank
03:28:25 Speaker 204: you. Good afternoon, County Council. So,
03:28:27 Speaker 204: thank you to Tara for taking
03:28:28 Speaker 204: us through that because that was
03:28:31 Speaker 204: the first. part of my notes.
03:28:32 Speaker 204: Here was just to say that
03:28:35 Speaker 204: this is based on the deferral
03:28:37 Speaker 204: from the last meeting that we
03:28:39 Speaker 204: had. We went back and gathered
03:28:41 Speaker 204: more information as you had requested
03:28:43 Speaker 204: about different roofing material options. We
03:28:45 Speaker 204: did this in mind, thinking about
03:28:48 Speaker 204: the building's historic character, longevity, maintenance
03:28:50 Speaker 204: requirements, all of those pieces. A
03:28:52 Speaker 206: lot of similarities. What we talked
03:28:56 Speaker 206: about yesterday during Budget and Finance
03:28:57 Speaker 206: Committee and the maintenance requirements within
03:28:59 Speaker 204: our department, as you'll see in
03:29:01 Speaker 204: here. it is still the same
03:29:03 Speaker 204: recommendation from before because this is
03:29:04 Speaker 204: a deferral. But in going back
03:29:06 Speaker 204: to do further research about what
03:29:08 Speaker 204: other options may have been available,
03:29:10 Speaker 204: you will see that in the
03:29:11 Speaker 204: report where asphalt shingles, sheet metal
03:29:13 Speaker 204: shingles, and slate shingles were also
03:29:14 Speaker 204: options in addition to the cedar
03:29:15 Speaker 204: roofs. You see a chart on
03:29:17 Speaker 204: page two of the report that
03:29:20 Speaker 204: talks about what we know as
03:29:21 Speaker 204: a preliminary estimate. I say it's
03:29:23 Speaker 204: a preliminary estimate because no matter
03:29:25 Speaker 204: what, we still have to go
03:29:27 Speaker 204: and do an RFQ process. I
03:29:29 Speaker 204: still need to go out formally
03:29:31 Speaker 204: through purchasing to do the quote
03:29:32 Speaker 204: because everything's over twenty thousand dollars.
03:29:34 Speaker 204: So this is our best estimate
03:29:36 Speaker 204: right now, having not gone through
03:29:39 Speaker 204: that process. So we also provided
03:29:40 Speaker 204: some comments so that you would
03:29:42 Speaker 204: know what was available during that
03:29:43 Speaker 204: period, what was not, what was
03:29:44 Speaker 204: likely to have been used, as
03:29:47 Speaker 204: well as the pricing that we
03:29:48 Speaker 207: know to date and life expectancy.
03:29:53 Speaker 207: And the life expectancy is something
03:29:55 Speaker 207: that to us is really important.
03:29:57 Speaker 207: The maintenance requirements is really important.
03:29:58 Speaker 207: As again, we discussed yesterday during
03:29:59 Speaker 207: budget and finance. In budget and
03:30:00 Speaker 207: finance, we are really spending a
03:30:04 Speaker 207: lot of time on maintenance, a
03:30:06 Speaker 208: lot of money on maintenance, and
03:30:09 Speaker 208: that is what drives our capital
03:30:11 Speaker 208: budget. So we're trying to find
03:30:12 Speaker 209: a solution that will give us
03:30:16 Speaker 209: the most life expectancy, but still
03:30:17 Speaker 209: dollar figure, so that we are
03:30:18 Speaker 210: investing wisely as we go. So
03:30:21 Speaker 210: knowing that, what we would like
03:30:23 Speaker 211: to recommend as an alternative suggestion,
03:30:25 Speaker 212: if the cedar shingles are still
03:30:29 Speaker 212: not preferred, is the Euro Shield.
03:30:31 Speaker 212: So what we have found is
03:30:33 Speaker 213: it's a highly durable recycled rubber
03:30:37 Speaker 213: shingle roofing material. It provides a
03:30:38 Speaker 213: modern alternative with at least a
03:30:39 Speaker 213: fifty-year estimated lifespan on it. So
03:30:40 Speaker 213: it is a composite material, but
03:30:44 Speaker 213: it looks very similar to red
03:30:45 Speaker 213: cedar shakes. Given that life expectancy,
03:30:47 Speaker 213: it equates to approximately a thousand
03:30:49 Speaker 213: and thirty-six dollars over every single
03:30:51 Speaker 213: year in terms of an investment.
03:30:54 Speaker 213: The other thing that we wanted
03:30:56 Speaker 213: to note, thinking about our maintenance
03:31:01 Speaker 213: and how our buildings age, is.
03:31:04 Speaker 213: that none of our buildings are
03:31:07 Speaker 213: heated and cooled throughout the year.
03:31:11 Speaker 213: They're not lived in, so they
03:31:13 Speaker 92: do tend to deteriorate faster because
03:31:15 Speaker 92: they're historic buildings. So we just
03:31:17 Speaker 92: wanted to make that note as
03:31:19 Speaker 92: well. So all of these figures
03:31:22 Speaker 92: that you see throughout here are
03:31:24 Speaker 92: based on kind of the worst
03:31:27 Speaker 92: case scenario of the lowest life
03:31:29 Speaker 92: expectancy possible. So asphalt being 15
03:31:30 Speaker 92: years, where we would have to
03:31:31 Speaker 92: replace it twice over the course
03:31:33 Speaker 92: of the time limits of others.
03:31:34 Speaker 92: Our red cedar would last at
03:31:37 Speaker 92: least 30 years, could be 50,
03:31:38 Speaker 92: but we're estimating. Be fifty, but
03:31:39 Speaker 92: we're estimating these numbers based on
03:31:42 Speaker 92: thirty years, and all of the
03:31:43 Speaker 92: rest of the options are fifty-year
03:31:45 Speaker 92: assumptions based on what we know
03:31:46 Speaker 92: to date. So, we are looking
03:31:47 Speaker 92: for council's direction in terms of
03:31:49 Speaker 214: where you are willing to go
03:31:52 Speaker 214: and where you want staff to
03:31:54 Speaker 215: go with the roof of the
03:31:59 Speaker 215: schoolhouse. With this information now in
03:32:00 Speaker 215: hand, so I'm happy to answer
03:32:02 Speaker 151: any questions that you have. Okay,
03:32:06 Speaker 216: thank you for that further information
03:32:10 Speaker 217: and comparison of the options. So
03:32:13 Speaker 217: we're going to go into discussions.
03:32:14 Speaker 217: We're going to go into discussion.
03:32:16 Speaker 217: So, did I see a hand
03:32:18 Speaker 92: from Councillor Mackie, and then we'll
03:32:22 Speaker 218: go to the Deputy Warden. Thank
03:32:24 Speaker 218: you, Warden. Thank you, Savannah, for
03:32:26 Speaker 219: bringing that forward. I have some
03:32:29 Speaker 219: personal knowledge of the Yarrow Shield,
03:32:31 Speaker 219: and it's been installed in my
03:32:32 Speaker 39: mother's log house for about 15
03:32:35 Speaker 39: years, and it looks the same
03:32:36 Speaker 39: today as it did the day
03:32:39 Speaker 39: it was installed. So, I'm glad
03:32:40 Speaker 39: that that's the recommendation, and I
03:32:42 Speaker 39: would certainly support that. Thank you.
03:32:45 Speaker 39: very much. We'll go over to
03:32:47 Speaker 39: the deputy warden. Thank you, Madam
03:32:48 Speaker 39: Warden. Thank you, Savannah, for indulging
03:32:53 Speaker 39: Council's request to go back and
03:32:54 Speaker 39: have another look at that. It
03:32:57 Speaker 39: looks like you've done a tremendous
03:32:59 Speaker 39: amount of work, and I appreciate
03:33:01 Speaker 39: that. And I too, I don't
03:33:03 Speaker 39: have any experience, personal experience with
03:33:04 Speaker 39: the Euro Shield, but I, I
03:33:06 Speaker 39: think it checks off a number
03:33:09 Speaker 39: of the boxes, and especially after
03:33:10 Speaker 39: yesterday's budget and finance meeting, where
03:33:13 Speaker 39: we. talked about maintenance and operational
03:33:17 Speaker 39: expenses killing our budgets. Something that
03:33:19 Speaker 39: is recycled, something that is long-lasting,
03:33:22 Speaker 39: and something that looks good. Boy,
03:33:24 Speaker 39: that that really hits the spot.
03:33:27 Speaker 39: So thank you so
03:33:29 Speaker 220: much for that. I I couldn't
03:33:32 Speaker 220: help but think, and I talked
03:33:35 Speaker 220: to Savannah during lunch a little
03:33:37 Speaker 221: bit about it. Back in the
03:33:39 Speaker 221: 1920s, when trustees really did. the
03:33:42 Speaker 105: work of a trustee. They probably
03:33:47 Speaker 105: were wondering, what are we going
03:33:48 Speaker 105: to put on the roof? This
03:33:56 Speaker 222: old school or this schoolhouse? It
03:34:02 Speaker 222: wouldn't be old in those days,
03:34:03 Speaker 222: but they'd be looking at a
03:34:04 Speaker 222: barn sheet steel. They wouldn't be
03:34:06 Speaker 222: concerned about does it look like
03:34:08 Speaker 222: a barn roof? Well, yeah, it
03:34:10 Speaker 222: does, but it's it's going to
03:34:11 Speaker 222: last for. Well, the steel's been
03:34:12 Speaker 223: on my barn for an excess
03:34:15 Speaker 223: of 100 years, and yeah, you
03:34:16 Speaker 223: need to paint it once in
03:34:18 Speaker 223: a while, but it lasts a
03:34:20 Speaker 223: long time. But the Euro Shield,
03:34:21 Speaker 223: I think that that. that does
03:34:22 Speaker 223: the work. So thank you, Savannah.
03:34:24 Speaker 223: Okay, thank you. And just yes,
03:34:26 Speaker 223: it is one of the recommendations.
03:34:27 Speaker 223: It's noted as the secondary recommendation,
03:34:28 Speaker 223: the Euro Shield. So with that,
03:34:30 Speaker 223: we'll continue. So oh yes, just
03:34:33 Speaker 223: a point of order. Do we
03:34:35 Speaker 223: need an amendment to change the
03:34:39 Speaker 223: recommendation? Yes. So I will move
03:34:40 Speaker 223: that we amend the resolution or
03:34:42 Speaker 223: the motion to. install the Euroshield
03:34:43 Speaker 223: is that kind of what you're
03:34:44 Speaker 85: looking for, Madam Clerk, Madam Warden?
03:34:50 Speaker 85: Yeah, good. Thank you. Yes, because
03:34:51 Speaker 85: the current one that's on the
03:34:53 Speaker 85: floor for discussion refers to the
03:34:55 Speaker 85: cedar shingle. So, okay, so that's
03:34:56 Speaker 85: been moved by the Deputy Warden
03:34:58 Speaker 85: as an amendment to the main
03:35:00 Speaker 224: motion. Is that being seconded by?
03:35:04 Speaker 225: That's being seconded by Councillor Dobrin.
03:35:06 Speaker 225: So we're now on the discussion.
03:35:08 Speaker 226: We've heard prior discussions. So we're
03:35:12 Speaker 151: now on the discussion of. can
03:35:14 Speaker 151: you just make sure that everybody
03:35:17 Speaker 151: can see it as well up
03:35:21 Speaker 151: on that screen? Okay, so we
03:35:22 Speaker 151: are now considering that it's been
03:35:25 Speaker 227: moved by Councillor Millen, seconded by
03:35:28 Speaker 227: Councillor Dobreen, that the motion be
03:35:30 Speaker 227: amended to strike out cedar shingle
03:35:31 Speaker 227: and insert euro shield in the
03:35:33 Speaker 227: second clause. So that is all
03:35:34 Speaker 03: that we're discussing at this point.
03:35:50 Speaker 84: So open for discussion. Yes, Councillor
03:35:54 Speaker 84: Dobreen. Thank you. and through
03:35:56 Speaker 84: you, I am happy to
03:35:59 Speaker 84: second the motion. My question about
03:36:01 Speaker 84: next steps is that this would
03:36:04 Speaker 84: still go to an RFQ. We're
03:36:12 Speaker 228: specifically targeting Euroshield, confident that it's
03:36:16 Speaker 151: going to be less than red
03:36:18 Speaker 151: cedar shingles. I'm I'm guessing if
03:36:19 Speaker 151: it comes in significantly more than
03:36:22 Speaker 151: the original estimate, then it'll come
03:36:24 Speaker 151: back. But is is this non-specific
03:36:26 Speaker 151: enough through? perhaps through the warden
03:36:27 Speaker 151: to the clerk, cases get your
03:36:29 Speaker 151: job easier. Okay, director, you want
03:36:31 Speaker 151: to address that? Thank you, through
03:36:33 Speaker 151: your warden. That is a
03:36:35 Speaker 151: great question. I am hopeful that
03:36:37 Speaker 151: it doesn't come back as more
03:36:39 Speaker 151: than the shingles. I think, given
03:36:42 Speaker 151: our purchasing policy, there are certain
03:36:44 Speaker 151: certain thresholds. That if it comes
03:36:46 Speaker 229: back, I think it's twenty percent
03:36:52 Speaker 229: more than what you're approving. we
03:36:53 Speaker 229: need to come back to you
03:36:55 Speaker 229: regardless. If you wanted to leave
03:36:57 Speaker 229: it where we could do an
03:36:58 Speaker 230: actual process, I would have to
03:37:01 Speaker 230: check with Mary Lou and Mike
03:37:06 Speaker 86: where it is Red Cedar or
03:37:11 Speaker 86: Euro Shield, and have them quote
03:37:13 Speaker 86: on both to see what comes.
03:37:15 Speaker 86: I don't know if that's an
03:37:17 Speaker 86: option. Um, probably a messier option,
03:37:18 Speaker 86: but I mean we're we're comfortable
03:37:22 Speaker 86: with the Euro Shield if Council's
03:37:24 Speaker 86: comfortable with the Euro Shield. Okay.
03:37:26 Speaker 86: Well, the amendment we have is
03:37:30 Speaker 86: only specifically to the Euro Shield,
03:37:33 Speaker 86: so that'll have to stay. Euroshield,
03:37:35 Speaker 86: so that'll have to stay that
03:37:37 Speaker 86: way, and unless we hear differently
03:37:40 Speaker 86: from council members. So, okay, all
03:37:42 Speaker 86: right. So I don't see any
03:37:43 Speaker 86: further discussion on the amendment. So
03:37:45 Speaker 86: we, and I will call the
03:37:48 Speaker 86: vote. Then that the motion be
03:37:51 Speaker 86: amended to strike out cedar shingle
03:37:52 Speaker 86: and insert Euroshield in the second
03:37:55 Speaker 86: clause.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: All those in favour.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Okay, that motion is carried.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: So we will now just update our main motion with changing cedar shingle.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: to Enviro Shield, and I'm sorry, Director Myers, the number of suppliers of that particular brand name, you don't know.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: So, and could be anywhere in Ontario, could be bidding on it.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Okay.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Okay.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: All right.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: So we're back to the main motion.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Is there any further discussion on the main motion?
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Oh, can we just have it updated on the screen, please?
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Okay.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: So now reads that report EDTC CW zero six twenty five regarding Grayroots Village unanticipated capital project projects twenty twenty five be received and that the schoolhouse portion of the twenty twenty seven Euroshield capital project be advanced.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Sorry, I'm just.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Yeah, okay.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Be advanced, yes.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Due to failed inspection, but there is another part too as well, right?
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Okay, and that the school, yeah, and that the school.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: There it is.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Further, just making sure it's on the screen for everybody to see, and that the schoolhouse roof replacement be funded from a combination of year-end surplus and Gray Roots, Morriston Village Building Improvements Reserve.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Evidence reserve.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: So all three sections are there for your review on the screen.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Okay, I am seeing no further questions.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Then no further comments.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: So I'll call.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Oh yes.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Oh sorry, Deputy Warden.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Just real quick, I will note that this is a Canadian product.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: It's manufactured in Calgary.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: I don't know if that was in the report or not, but it is.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: So elbows up, right on.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Thank you.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Excellent additional detail for sure.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Okay, all right.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Therefore, I'll call the question.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: All those in favour?
03:37:55 Speaker 86: All right, the motion's carried.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: How could we say no after the deputy warden's additional comment?
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Okay, thank you.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: So that takes care of that item.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: We do not have any closed meeting matters.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Other business?
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Seeing no hands raised.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: We'll then go to notices and.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: go to notices of motion.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Are there any notices of motion to serve?
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Looking around the room, not hearing or seeing any hands go up.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Then we'll call for a motion to adjourn.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: We recommend that this committee, the whole, does now adjourn at one thirty-one p.m.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Move by Councillor Eccles and seconded by Councillor Patterson.
03:37:55 Speaker 86: Any discussion?
03:37:55 Speaker 86: All those in favour?
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