Grey County County Council Meeting Transcript — August 14, 2025

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Grey County · County Council · August 14, 2025

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The County Council convened on August 14, 2025, to review local events including disruptions at the Markdale Arena and upcoming festivals in Holtville. The agenda focused on ceremonial proceedings before moving into general business items regarding community activities.

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1 Call to Order

A speaker called the County Council meeting to order on August 14, 2025.

00:06:26 Speaker 01: would like to now call to

00:06:28 Speaker 01: order this meeting of August Fourteenth,

00:06:29 Speaker 02: twenty twenty-five. At this point in

00:06:32 Speaker 02: time, as you are able, please

2 O Canada

A speaker invited attendees to stand and sing O Canada before requesting a roll call, which confirmed attendance of all members except Councillor Body who was joining later.

00:06:33 Speaker 02: join us in the standing and

00:06:34 Speaker 02: singing of O Canada. our home

00:06:36 Speaker 03: and native land, true patriot love

00:06:52 Speaker 04: in all of us command. With

00:06:59 Speaker 04: glowing hearts, we see thee rise,

00:07:04 Speaker 05: the. rise, the true North, strong

00:07:08 Speaker 05: and free, from far and wide,

00:07:12 Speaker 05: O Canada, we stand on guard

00:07:17 Speaker 05: for thee. God keep our land,

00:07:22 Speaker 05: glorious and free, O Canada, we

00:07:29 Speaker 05: stand on guard for. thee, O

00:07:36 Speaker 05: Canada! We stand on guard for

00:07:43 Speaker 05: thee. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Would

00:07:57 Speaker 05: you please conduct the roll call?

00:07:59 Speaker 06: Councillor Mackie. Councillor. McKay, Councillor Carleton,

00:08:05 Speaker 06: Councillor Pringle, Councillor McQueen, Councillor

00:08:08 Speaker 06: Nielsen, Councillor Patterson, Councillor Dickert,

00:08:11 Speaker 06: Councillor Kentner, Councillor Kevany, Councillor

00:08:15 Speaker 06: Body, I believe is joining

00:08:19 Speaker 06: us later this morning. Councillor Gregg,

00:08:20 Speaker 07: Councillor Milne, Councillor Dobrine, Gordon Matrasovs,

00:08:23 Speaker 07: Councillor Bourignon, Present, Councillor Eccles,

00:08:27 Speaker 07: Councillor Hutchinson, We. have all

00:08:31 Speaker 07: members in attendance with the exception

00:08:35 Speaker 07: of Councillor Body. Thank you very

4 Land Acknowledgement

Council recommended that bylaws 524625 and 524725 be introduced, taken as read three times, passed, signed, sealed, and engrossed. Bylaw 524625 adopts an amendment to the Grey County Official Plan affecting specific lands in West Grey, while Bylaw 524725 confirms all actions and proceedings of council. Council reported that a minor fire at Markdale Arena caused disruptions but will not stop the agricultural fair, which continues outdoors at King Edward Park. The Holtville Kite Festival is scheduled for two days in Holtville on consecutive dates, while lacrosse teams were hosted by West Grey and Meaford due to arena renovations. Council members reported on local events including a barn-raising at Soggy Valley Children's Safety Village and fundraising for agricultural education. Councillor Hutchinson announced a $1.2 million asset enhancement for a new X-ray suite at Durham Hospital via an ACDC tribute band concert. Council also promoted the Beaver Valley Fall Fair in Thornbury and noted the 165th recorded Durham Fall Fair.

00:08:36 Speaker 08: much, Madam Clerk, and that we

00:08:40 Speaker 08: will proceed to the land acknowledgement.

00:08:42 Speaker 09: Let us begin by respectfully acknowledging

00:08:46 Speaker 10: that we are gathering on the

00:08:49 Speaker 10: traditional territory of the Anishinaabek Nation,

00:08:50 Speaker 10: the three the people of the

00:08:53 Speaker 10: three fires known as the Ojibwe,

00:08:55 Speaker 10: Odawa, and Potawatomi Nations, and further

00:08:57 Speaker 10: we give thanks to the Chippewas

00:09:00 Speaker 10: of Saugeen and the Chippewas. Of

00:09:01 Speaker 10: Sogean and the Chippewas of Nawash,

00:09:03 Speaker 10: known collectively as the Sogean Ojibwe

00:09:06 Speaker 10: Nation, the traditional keepers of these

00:09:08 Speaker 10: lands and waters since time immemorial.

00:09:12 Speaker 10: In our south of the county

00:09:13 Speaker 10: lies the traditional territories of the

00:09:15 Speaker 10: six nations of the Grand River

00:09:17 Speaker 10: Haudenosaunee. We are dedicated to honouring

00:09:21 Speaker 10: Indigenous history and culture, and committed

00:09:23 Speaker 10: to moving forward in a spirit

00:09:25 Speaker 10: of truth, reconciliation, and friendship with

00:09:28 Speaker 10: all First Nations, Métis, and Inuit

00:09:31 Speaker 11: people. At this point in time,

00:09:34 Speaker 11: I would like to put out

00:09:35 Speaker 11: a call. If there are any

00:09:36 Speaker 12: declarations of interest, seeing and hearing

00:09:41 Speaker 13: none, we'll move on. It is

00:09:43 Speaker 14: recommended, item six. It's recommended that

00:09:46 Speaker 14: the minutes of the county council

00:09:47 Speaker 14: meeting and the committee, the whole

00:09:49 Speaker 14: meeting, dated July twenty fourth, twenty

00:09:51 Speaker 14: twenty five, and the resolutions contained

00:09:53 Speaker 14: therein be adopted as presented. May

00:09:55 Speaker 14: I ask for a mover? Moved

00:09:56 Speaker 14: by Councillor Greg, seconded by Councillor

00:09:58 Speaker 14: Dobrine. Any discussion? All those in

00:10:03 Speaker 15: favour, and that motion is carried.

00:10:05 Speaker 15: We do not have any closed

00:10:07 Speaker 10: session matters here on this agenda,

00:10:10 Speaker 10: nor reports, so we can move

00:10:11 Speaker 10: to the bylaws. It is recommended

00:10:14 Speaker 10: that bylaws 524625 and 524725 be

00:10:20 Speaker 10: introduced and be taken as read

00:10:21 Speaker 10: a first, second, and third time.

00:10:24 Speaker 10: Finally, passed, signed by the warden

00:10:26 Speaker 10: and the clerk, sealed with the

00:10:27 Speaker 10: seal of the corporation. and engrossed

00:10:29 Speaker 10: in the bylaw book, number one

00:10:31 Speaker 10: fifty two forty six twenty five

00:10:33 Speaker 10: is a bylaw to adopt amendment

00:10:35 Speaker 10: number twenty one of the Grey

00:10:37 Speaker 10: County of Grey Official Plan affecting

00:10:39 Speaker 10: lands described as part of Lot

00:10:41 Speaker 10: seventy five Concession B being Part

00:10:43 Speaker 10: One Reference Plan seventeen R five

00:10:46 Speaker 10: three one Geographic Township of Normanby

00:10:50 Speaker 10: and now in the Municipality of

00:10:51 Speaker 10: West Grey and number two is

00:10:53 Speaker 10: fifty two forty seven twenty five

00:10:55 Speaker 10: a bylaw to confirm all. the

00:10:57 Speaker 10: actions and proceedings of council. May

00:10:59 Speaker 10: I ask for mover? Moved by

00:11:00 Speaker 10: Councillor Dickert, seconded by Councillor Pringle.

00:11:03 Speaker 10: Any discussion? All those in favour?

00:11:06 Speaker 10: And that motion is carried. On

00:11:09 Speaker 10: to news and celebrations. The first

00:11:11 Speaker 16: one that we will highlight will

00:11:13 Speaker 16: be about the 75th anniversary of

00:11:15 Speaker 16: the Soggy Valley Conservation Authority. I

00:11:18 Speaker 16: would like to make a brief

00:11:19 Speaker 16: introduction and then pass the floor

00:11:21 Speaker 16: to Councillor Hutchinson to speak on

00:11:24 Speaker 16: behalf of the MV. On behalf

00:11:28 Speaker 16: of the MVCA, the Soging, sorry,

00:11:32 Speaker 16: the SVCA, too many acronyms in

00:11:36 Speaker 16: in this territory, Soging Valley Conservation

00:11:39 Speaker 16: Authority held a special celebration on

00:11:41 Speaker 16: Tuesday, July twenty ninth, to

00:11:44 Speaker 16: mark its seventy fifth anniversary. There

00:11:46 Speaker 16: were approximately a hundred guests in

00:11:47 Speaker 16: attendance who heard greetings and remarks

00:11:50 Speaker 16: from MP Lobb and MP P

00:11:52 Speaker 16: Thompson, and Mayor Mark Goetz and

00:11:55 Speaker 16: Mayor Milne and Conservation Ontario was

00:11:59 Speaker 16: also there with SVCA and GCA

00:12:02 Speaker 16: and Grey Sauble Conservation Authority. As

00:12:04 Speaker 16: part of the celebrations, there was

00:12:05 Speaker 16: a ribbon cutting and a grand

00:12:08 Speaker 16: opening of the new Formosa Conservation

00:12:13 Speaker 16: Area located beside the SVCA's administration

00:12:16 Speaker 16: office. The area is a 24-acre

00:12:18 Speaker 16: parcel where visitors can hike, snowshoe,

00:12:20 Speaker 16: and walk all year round, and

00:12:21 Speaker 16: will serve as a great

00:12:23 Speaker 16: addition to the conservation. authority. So,

00:12:27 Speaker 16: Councillor Hutchinson, that sounds very, very

00:12:28 Speaker 17: exciting indeed. And would you like

00:12:32 Speaker 18: to provide any further comments? Well,

00:12:34 Speaker 18: thank you very much, and good

00:12:36 Speaker 18: morning, Ward. I think you kind

00:12:37 Speaker 19: of took everything I was going

00:12:40 Speaker 19: to speak to. I'm going through

00:12:41 Speaker 20: and check, check, check. But, anyways,

00:12:44 Speaker 20: we do want to thank you

00:12:45 Speaker 20: for attending. A couple of people

00:12:49 Speaker 20: did have, I will say, representation

00:12:50 Speaker 20: from across the board, all the

00:12:53 Speaker 20: municipalities that are in the. All

00:12:56 Speaker 21: the ministers' deputies that are in

00:12:59 Speaker 20: the watershed. In addition to that,

00:13:01 Speaker 20: we did have MPP. We had

00:13:05 Speaker 20: MPP Lott there, yes, and MPP

00:13:08 Speaker 20: Lisa Thompson was there. We had

00:13:10 Speaker 20: some Vickers was not there, sir.

00:13:10 Speaker 20: No, no, sir. We had you

00:13:12 Speaker 20: know some past chairs were there,

00:13:14 Speaker 20: and it was a lot of

00:13:15 Speaker 20: good speeches. Again, a hundred guests.

00:13:18 Speaker 20: We did do that ribbon cut,

00:13:20 Speaker 20: which was nice to see. It

00:13:21 Speaker 20: just another another ribbon cut for

00:13:23 Speaker 20: another extended. Ribbon cut for another

00:13:24 Speaker 20: extension of conservation. I don't know

00:13:25 Speaker 20: what is that—a kilometre in there,

00:13:27 Speaker 22: the trail in there. Do you

00:13:30 Speaker 22: remember about about a kilometre of

00:13:31 Speaker 22: new trails opened up as well?

00:13:32 Speaker 22: I didn't walk them because it

00:13:34 Speaker 22: was subject to a little bit

00:13:36 Speaker 22: of an injury, so I don't

00:13:39 Speaker 22: know anybody else to took it

00:13:41 Speaker 22: on. But it was—it's pretty good

00:13:42 Speaker 22: to see that open as well.

00:13:45 Speaker 22: Other than that, yes. Dog walk.

00:13:46 Speaker 22: I think you covered everything though,

00:13:47 Speaker 22: and we do want to—we do

00:13:49 Speaker 23: appreciate you and your attendance. Thank

00:13:53 Speaker 23: you. I don't have anything else

00:13:54 Speaker 23: to say. I guess they're looking

00:13:56 Speaker 23: forward to a. To say, I

00:13:57 Speaker 23: guess they're looking forward to the

00:13:59 Speaker 01: next 75 years. Believe it or

00:14:09 Speaker 24: not. Thanks. Okay, thank you very

00:14:11 Speaker 24: much. And with that, we'll move

00:14:13 Speaker 24: on to a funding announcement. I'd

00:14:15 Speaker 24: like to call up Director Nab

00:14:16 Speaker 24: to come speak to that. Good

00:14:18 Speaker 25: morning, Warden and County Council. I'm

00:14:24 Speaker 25: pleased to report our community paramedic

00:14:26 Speaker 25: programme is now fully funded through

00:14:27 Speaker 25: the Ministry of Health and Ministry

00:14:29 Speaker 25: of Long Term. Care. The Ministry

00:14:31 Speaker 25: of Health funding has been old.

00:14:33 Speaker 25: The Ministry of Health funding has

00:14:35 Speaker 25: already been considered permanent, and we're

00:14:36 Speaker 25: pleased to share that the Ministry

00:14:37 Speaker 25: of Long Term Care has now

00:14:40 Speaker 25: confirmed its funding is permanent as

00:14:42 Speaker 25: well. In addition, annual funding

00:14:44 Speaker 25: from the Ministry of Long Term

00:14:46 Speaker 25: Care is increased from one million

00:14:48 Speaker 25: to one point five million. This

00:14:50 Speaker 25: combined support ensures the Grey County

00:14:52 Speaker 25: Community Paramedic Programme is one hundred

00:14:54 Speaker 25: percent provincially funded. allowing us to

00:14:55 Speaker 25: continue to deliver high quality care

00:14:56 Speaker 26: to older adults and the most

00:14:59 Speaker 26: vulnerable members of our community. Also,

00:15:01 Speaker 26: want to say say a special

00:15:02 Speaker 26: thank you from all of us

00:15:04 Speaker 26: to County Council for their strong

00:15:05 Speaker 26: support over the last ten years.

00:15:09 Speaker 26: Your commitment ensured that any shortfalls

00:15:11 Speaker 26: recovered, allowing the programme to continue

00:15:12 Speaker 26: and grow. So, thank you. And

00:15:14 Speaker 26: it's been a really great day

00:15:16 Speaker 26: to say that now it's one

00:15:17 Speaker 26: hundred percent funded.

00:15:26 Speaker 26: Excellent.

00:15:29 Speaker 26: Thank you

00:15:36 Speaker 27: very much for that. Great way

00:15:39 Speaker 27: to start the day. and with

00:15:41 Speaker 27: that, I would like to call

00:15:43 Speaker 27: up Director Shaw to come and

00:15:45 Speaker 27: make an announcement about early on.

00:15:47 Speaker 28: There we go. Good morning, Council.

00:15:50 Speaker 28: I just wanted to let everyone

00:15:52 Speaker 28: know that there are some new.

00:15:56 Speaker 28: childcare spaces and a new early

00:15:58 Speaker 28: on centre in Markdale. The Markdale

00:16:01 Speaker 28: Kids and Us operates the new

00:16:04 Speaker 28: Beavercrest Community School and now includes

00:16:06 Speaker 28: a four-hour after-school programme. The early

00:16:08 Speaker 28: on Markdale site is also located

00:16:10 Speaker 28: at this at this location too,

00:16:11 Speaker 28: so more convenience. The childcare centre

00:16:13 Speaker 28: provides inclusive programmemes for children aged

00:16:21 Speaker 28: 13 months to school age in

00:16:23 Speaker 28: a new inviting space. And there

00:16:24 Speaker 28: was a grand opening. that was

00:16:25 Speaker 28: held on August sixth. And thank

00:16:26 Speaker 28: you for those of you that

00:16:28 Speaker 28: attended. Very exciting for the Markdale

00:16:30 Speaker 28: community and beyond as well. It

00:16:31 Speaker 29: was wonderful to be there, and

00:16:34 Speaker 29: I must say it was wonderful

00:16:35 Speaker 29: to bring my granddaughter along too,

00:16:37 Speaker 29: just to test it out and

00:16:38 Speaker 30: sample it. Everything looks great. You're

00:16:42 Speaker 31: really going to enjoy that extra

00:16:45 Speaker 31: facility. And with that, I'll open

00:16:47 Speaker 31: it to the county floor. If

00:16:48 Speaker 31: there are other announcements, we'll begin

00:16:50 Speaker 31: with Councillor Nielsen. I'm going to

00:16:51 Speaker 31: take a step here from Deputy

00:16:53 Speaker 31: Ward Milne. Stand up. Many of

00:16:56 Speaker 31: you may know that a couple

00:16:57 Speaker 31: weeks ago we did have a

00:16:59 Speaker 31: minor fire at the Markdale Arena,

00:17:01 Speaker 31: so it has caused some disruptions.

00:17:03 Speaker 31: But we all know the Agricultural

00:17:04 Speaker 31: Society will never be put down

00:17:06 Speaker 31: by a fire, so the Markdale

00:17:08 Speaker 31: Fall Fair will continue to happen

00:17:10 Speaker 31: at the King Edward Park grounds.

00:17:11 Speaker 31: Everything will be held outside. We're

00:17:14 Speaker 31: going to be setting up tents,

00:17:16 Speaker 31: utilising the library space that's there.

00:17:17 Speaker 31: So Saturday, August twenty third, Friday

00:17:18 Speaker 32: night is the ambassador programme on

00:17:20 Speaker 32: the twenty second. Please, anybody can

00:17:23 Speaker 33: come out, celebrate with us because

00:17:27 Speaker 34: even though a fire happened, we're

00:17:30 Speaker 35: going to keep on going with

00:17:33 Speaker 36: the fall fair, the one hundred

00:17:36 Speaker 36: and sixty seventh Markdale Agricultural Fall

00:17:37 Speaker 36: Fair. Thanks very much. Excellent. Good

00:17:39 Speaker 36: to hear that. And we'll go

00:17:42 Speaker 36: to Deputy Warden Mill next. Thank

00:17:44 Speaker 36: you, Warden. In spite of that.

00:17:48 Speaker 36: event going on, there'll be some

00:17:51 Speaker 36: high flying in Holtville on the

00:17:54 Speaker 36: same weekend, August twenty third, twenty

00:17:55 Speaker 36: fourth, the Saturday and Sunday. The

00:17:56 Speaker 37: Holtville Kite Festival will be in

00:17:59 Speaker 38: in production. I'm not sure exactly,

00:18:02 Speaker 38: but it's in Holtville somewhere. If

00:18:03 Speaker 39: you get to Holtville, you'll see

00:18:05 Speaker 39: it. Just look on the horizon,

00:18:07 Speaker 40: you'll see the. South. Okay, south

00:18:11 Speaker 40: of Holtville. So anyway, you're all

00:18:12 Speaker 40: welcome to attend, and it's a

00:18:13 Speaker 41: really cool event. Ten and it's

00:18:16 Speaker 41: a really cool event. It's not

00:18:17 Speaker 42: just you know the traditional old

00:18:22 Speaker 43: triangle. They got huge, big kites.

00:18:27 Speaker 44: I don't know how they get

00:18:30 Speaker 44: them up in the air, but

00:18:31 Speaker 45: it's it's good. It's a really

00:18:34 Speaker 45: cool event. So you're all invited.

00:18:36 Speaker 45: Come on down. Okay, thank you,

00:18:37 Speaker 45: Councillor Body. Thank you very much.

00:18:39 Speaker 45: As everyone knows, Canada has two

00:18:41 Speaker 45: official sports. Its summer official sport

00:18:42 Speaker 45: is lacrosse and. hockey, and in

00:18:47 Speaker 45: the winter, we are so blessed

00:18:49 Speaker 45: to have a really long history

00:18:51 Speaker 45: of both sports in Owen Sound.

00:18:54 Speaker 45: But this year, the lacrosse teams

00:18:55 Speaker 45: got pushed out of the arena

00:18:58 Speaker 45: because of very successful so far

00:18:59 Speaker 45: remaking of the ice and replacing

00:19:02 Speaker 45: of the floor, which is going

00:19:05 Speaker 45: extremely well at the arena. So

00:19:07 Speaker 45: we want to thank West Grey

00:19:09 Speaker 45: for hosting our junior lacrosse team

00:19:12 Speaker 45: this summer. They played down in

00:19:14 Speaker 45: the arena in Durham. they made

00:19:16 Speaker 45: the playoffs, and thank Meaford for

00:19:19 Speaker 45: hosting our senior and major teams,

00:19:21 Speaker 45: both of which made the playoffs.

00:19:23 Speaker 45: Major is the best lacrosse in

00:19:26 Speaker 45: the world. It's like it's like

00:19:27 Speaker 45: summertime for NHL. The guys that

00:19:30 Speaker 45: are playing pro in the states

00:19:32 Speaker 45: in the winter are playing major

00:19:34 Speaker 45: lacrosse in the summer to win

00:19:37 Speaker 45: the Man Cup. On Sound had

00:19:38 Speaker 45: a very young major team that

00:19:41 Speaker 45: did extremely well, made the playoffs.

00:19:44 Speaker 45: and weren't expected to, and then

00:19:46 Speaker 45: competed very well with Six Nations,

00:19:47 Speaker 45: which is built and financed to

00:19:50 Speaker 46: win the Memorial Cup every year.

00:19:54 Speaker 46: Not Memorial, sorry, not Minto Man

00:19:57 Speaker 46: Cup. Thank you, Minto's Junior A.

00:19:59 Speaker 47: So, thanks to both West Grey

00:20:01 Speaker 47: and Beechford for hosting our teams

00:20:02 Speaker 48: and providing them a home in

00:20:05 Speaker 48: in Grey County. Thanks. Thank you,

00:20:06 Speaker 48: and we'll go to Councillor Kieveny.

00:20:10 Speaker 48: Good morning, Madam. Warden and County

00:20:12 Speaker 48: Council, and thank you, Councillor Body.

00:20:13 Speaker 48: It was our pleasure to host

00:20:15 Speaker 48: the eucross teams, but I just

00:20:16 Speaker 48: wanted to share that we're one

00:20:18 Speaker 48: up on Markdale. It's our 168th

00:20:20 Speaker 49: fall fair coming up on August

00:20:22 Speaker 49: the 30th. Can't believe that we're

00:20:24 Speaker 49: reaching the end of summer. The

00:20:25 Speaker 50: heart of the fair, of course,

00:20:27 Speaker 51: is the livestock shows, beef and

00:20:31 Speaker 51: dairy, and the sheep show is

00:20:33 Speaker 51: always a special one. Saddle horse

00:20:34 Speaker 51: shows and the junior calf

00:20:36 Speaker 51: club is always a big hit,

00:20:38 Speaker 51: and there's. the curling club will

00:20:40 Speaker 51: be full of home crafts and

00:20:42 Speaker 51: gardening, all the big carrots and

00:20:43 Speaker 51: zucchini and all that sort of

00:20:47 Speaker 51: thing. There'll be family-friendly activities and

00:20:49 Speaker 52: children's events, and antique cars will

00:20:54 Speaker 52: be on display. So that's all

00:20:55 Speaker 53: taking place at our curling club

00:20:58 Speaker 53: on August the 30th with a

00:21:01 Speaker 53: 9 a.m. start. Thank you. Okay.

00:21:04 Speaker 53: Thank you very much, and we'll

00:21:07 Speaker 53: go to Councillor Carleton. Thank you,

00:21:09 Speaker 53: Warden Matrisselson. Good morning. Thank you,

00:21:12 Speaker 53: Lord Mayor Trussell, and Good Morning,

00:21:16 Speaker 53: County Council. I was privileged to

00:21:18 Speaker 53: attend yesterday a Women's Institute rally

00:21:20 Speaker 54: hosted by the Campbell Women's Institute,

00:21:24 Speaker 54: with four different Women's Institutes in

00:21:28 Speaker 54: being there for the day. MP

00:21:29 Speaker 55: Alex Rep was there as well,

00:21:32 Speaker 55: and Campbell Women's Institute celebrates 128

00:21:33 Speaker 55: years this year. They are the

00:21:34 Speaker 56: longest surviving Women's Institute, so it

00:21:37 Speaker 57: was a pleasure to be there.

00:21:40 Speaker 57: Excellent, and we'll go to Councillor

00:21:43 Speaker 58: McQueen. Thank you, Madam Warden, and

00:21:46 Speaker 58: County Council. Maybe back to me

00:21:48 Speaker 58: for maybe they didn't count the

00:21:49 Speaker 58: first year for the bear, so

00:21:51 Speaker 59: maybe it'll equal. Moving on, and

00:21:54 Speaker 59: I just wanted to say that

00:21:56 Speaker 59: we, as Grey Highlands Ram Rodeo,

00:21:57 Speaker 59: has completed five years of the

00:22:00 Speaker 59: the event. In total, amount that

00:22:01 Speaker 59: was raised was one hundred ninety

00:22:03 Speaker 59: six thousand eight hundred dollars, and

00:22:04 Speaker 59: has gone into the Mark Dill

00:22:06 Speaker 59: Hospital Foundation, which is more so

00:22:08 Speaker 59: more than what we committed to

00:22:10 Speaker 59: was 180. So I want to

00:22:12 Speaker 59: thank the sponsors. I want to

00:22:15 Speaker 59: thank the volunteers. I want to

00:22:16 Speaker 60: thank even the people that you

00:22:21 Speaker 61: know who came out and our

00:22:28 Speaker 61: staff who made it an event

00:22:30 Speaker 62: that was successful. So again, a

00:22:35 Speaker 62: big thank you for that, and

00:22:37 Speaker 62: it helps support. And council also

00:22:40 Speaker 62: is committed to have it host

00:22:46 Speaker 62: a grand rodeo again for next

00:22:48 Speaker 62: year. Thank you, and to Councillor

00:22:52 Speaker 62: Dobrin. Thank you, Warden. Good morning,

00:22:56 Speaker 62: County Council guests. I wanted to

00:22:58 Speaker 62: just thank the Warden for coming

00:23:00 Speaker 62: to the Soggy Valley Children's Safety

00:23:02 Speaker 62: Village last weekend for its barn-raising

00:23:05 Speaker 62: ribbon-cutting. The Gray Federation and Bruce

00:23:08 Speaker 62: Federation of Agriculture. has been fundraising

00:23:10 Speaker 62: to expand the agricultural education and

00:23:12 Speaker 62: safety section of the Children's Safety

00:23:14 Speaker 62: Village. If you haven't been to

00:23:17 Speaker 62: the village, it really is a

00:23:20 Speaker 62: remarkable place for young and and

00:23:24 Speaker 62: the young at heart. Although we

00:23:27 Speaker 62: can't get into the little carts,

00:23:29 Speaker 62: so I I did want to

00:23:32 Speaker 62: mention a big thank you that

00:23:35 Speaker 63: was extended by the village, the

00:23:37 Speaker 64: the Children's Safety Village, to Gray

00:23:40 Speaker 64: County for. its continued support of

00:23:43 Speaker 64: a multi-year sponsorship. So it is

00:23:45 Speaker 64: every time I go to this

00:23:48 Speaker 65: village, it change. It is there's

00:23:53 Speaker 66: something new and something exciting. It's

00:23:56 Speaker 67: a great learning opportunity for our

00:24:02 Speaker 67: youth. It is free for youth

00:24:03 Speaker 68: to attend. The schools need only

00:24:06 Speaker 68: support it through transportation, and they

00:24:08 Speaker 68: often get sponsorship. So thank you,

00:24:09 Speaker 69: County. Council, for its continued support

00:24:11 Speaker 69: of the village. Okay, thank you.

00:24:12 Speaker 69: And looking around the horseshoe, we'll

00:24:14 Speaker 69: go to Councillor Hutchinson. Yeah, thank

00:24:15 Speaker 69: you, and good morning again. I

00:24:19 Speaker 69: just want to follow up with

00:24:22 Speaker 69: Councillor Mill regarding the kite fest.

00:24:25 Speaker 69: You can go to the South

00:24:28 Speaker 69: Bay Chamber of Commerce website to

00:24:30 Speaker 69: get the all the mapping and

00:24:33 Speaker 69: details are on there. Also, I'm

00:24:35 Speaker 69: There. Also, I want to announce

00:24:36 Speaker 69: that Saturday, September 27th, the Durham

00:24:37 Speaker 69: Hospital Foundation, in we're chasing a

00:24:38 Speaker 69: 1.2 million dollar asset enhancement to

00:24:40 Speaker 69: the Durham Hospital. It's a new

00:24:41 Speaker 70: X-ray suite. We're holding a ACDC

00:24:46 Speaker 71: tribute band called Thunderstruck. So tickets

00:24:49 Speaker 14: are available in your public yard.

00:24:52 Speaker 14: Where you go to the Durham

00:24:55 Speaker 14: Hospital Foundation and get a hold

00:24:56 Speaker 14: of me. But we have tickets

00:24:58 Speaker 14: for sale for that. Then all

00:25:00 Speaker 14: proceeds are for the the new

00:25:02 Speaker 14: X-ray suite in the hospital. Thank

00:25:04 Speaker 14: you. Okay, thank you, and I

00:25:07 Speaker 14: think. Okay, well, I will just

00:25:09 Speaker 14: conclude with the youngest fair, which

00:25:11 Speaker 14: is only 153 years. So we

00:25:13 Speaker 14: have a lot of catching up

00:25:14 Speaker 14: to do with you. But the

00:25:15 Speaker 14: Beaver Valley Fall Fair will come

00:25:18 Speaker 14: on September 5th and 6th. Let

00:25:19 Speaker 14: me see the the Friday and

00:25:21 Speaker 14: and Saturday of that weekend, September

00:25:23 Speaker 14: 5th and 6th, I believe it

00:25:25 Speaker 14: is. And so hopefully that doesn't

00:25:27 Speaker 14: conflict. Everybody can attend all of

00:25:29 Speaker 14: them if they like, and we

00:25:31 Speaker 14: will be having that at our

00:25:32 Speaker 72: Beaver Valley Community Centre in in

00:25:37 Speaker 73: Thornbury, and of course with the

00:25:40 Speaker 73: Morro Park right next door. It's

00:25:42 Speaker 74: a great indoor/outdoor, rain or shine

00:25:45 Speaker 74: activity. We'll have lots going there,

00:25:47 Speaker 74: and expect lots of good entries

00:25:50 Speaker 74: coming into all the creative categories.

00:25:52 Speaker 74: Okay, so with that, then oh,

00:25:54 Speaker 74: well, there is one more. Then

00:25:55 Speaker 74: Councillor Eccles, I just couldn't let

00:25:57 Speaker 74: it pass the Durham Fall Fair.

00:25:58 Speaker 74: is on August twenty ninth to

00:26:00 Speaker 75: thirty first. In doing a lot

00:26:03 Speaker 76: of research, we have found that

00:26:06 Speaker 76: at least the first five years

00:26:08 Speaker 76: of the Durham Fall Fair were

00:26:11 Speaker 76: not recorded. So this is the

00:26:12 Speaker 76: one hundred and sixty fifth that's

00:26:17 Speaker 76: recorded. So we're usually about one

00:26:20 Speaker 76: hundred and seventy. So yes, we're

00:26:23 Speaker 76: taking the gold medal. We are

00:26:25 Speaker 77: the number one. Durham Fall Fair

00:26:31 Speaker 77: is on the August long weekend

00:26:33 Speaker 77: or September first long weekend. Thank

00:26:37 Speaker 77: you very. much. Very similar to

00:26:39 Speaker 78: a lot of other with the

00:26:44 Speaker 79: horse show in-house activities and whatnot,

00:26:47 Speaker 79: but the Friday, Saturday, and Sunday

00:26:49 Speaker 80: activities there. So come to what

00:26:53 Speaker 80: we understand to be the longest-running

00:26:55 Speaker 81: fall fair in Gray County. Oh,

00:26:58 Speaker 81: okay. And now I see the

00:27:02 Speaker 82: deputy warden has raised his hand.

00:27:06 Speaker 82: Thank you, Madam Warden. I think

00:27:08 Speaker 82: it's fair to say that Dundalk

00:27:09 Speaker 83: is 168 years, but the first

00:27:13 Speaker 83: 10 years of that fair were

00:27:15 Speaker 83: not recorded. So, the weekend after

00:27:16 Speaker 84: Labour Day, come on down to

00:27:19 Speaker 84: Dundalk and enjoy the fair. It's

00:27:20 Speaker 84: been there a long time—a fairly

00:27:22 Speaker 84: long time. Thank you very much,

00:27:24 Speaker 84: and I suppose if we were

00:27:26 Speaker 84: able to speak to Clark the

00:27:28 Speaker 84: pig from Clarksville, he he might

00:27:29 Speaker 84: challenge how early things were starting

00:27:30 Speaker 85: ahead of the Beaver Valley Fall

00:27:34 Speaker 85: Fair over in what was Collingwood

00:27:36 Speaker 85: Township at the time. So what

00:27:37 Speaker 85: I can say is, wow, look

00:27:39 Speaker 86: at the impact that agriculture has

00:27:41 Speaker 86: had on the tradition and the

00:27:44 Speaker 86: years and the decades and hundreds

00:27:46 Speaker 86: of years that makes up the

00:27:47 Speaker 86: very fabric of who we are

00:27:49 Speaker 03: in Gray County. So with that.

00:28:02 Speaker 03: I will call a motion to

00:28:03 Speaker 03: adjourn. May I have a mover?

00:28:05 Speaker 87: Thank you, Councillor Debrine. Seconded by

00:28:07 Speaker 87: Councillor Kevany. Any discussion? All those

00:28:08 Speaker 87: in favour? And that motion is

00:28:10 Speaker 87: carried. We will now carry on.

00:28:13 Speaker 87: Give a few moments to switch

00:28:15 Speaker 87: over the technology before our committee

00:28:19 Speaker 87: of the whole. Okay. Thank you

00:28:22 Speaker 87: very much. I'd now like to

00:28:24 Speaker 87: call to order this committee. The

00:28:26 Speaker 87: whole meeting of August Fourteenth, Twenty

00:28:27 Speaker 87: Twenty Five. At this point in

00:28:29 Speaker 87: time, I'll ask if there are

00:28:30 Speaker 87: any declarations of interest. Seeing none,

00:28:33 Speaker 87: we will move through business arising

00:28:36 Speaker 87: from the minutes. Seeing nothing, we

00:28:38 Speaker 87: will go. Then we have we

00:28:40 Speaker 88: have three different delegations under Section

00:28:52 Speaker 88: Four, so we're going to each

00:28:53 Speaker 89: one will be shared virtually. So

00:28:56 Speaker 90: we will go to the screen.

00:28:59 Speaker 90: To first of all, we'll call

00:29:01 Speaker 90: upon Ms. Cassidy. Call upon Miss

00:29:02 Speaker 90: Cassidy, who will be presenting with

00:29:04 Speaker 87: regards to BECOM, and I believe

00:29:06 Speaker 87: the clerks will bring her online

00:29:08 Speaker 87: so we can all have a

00:29:08 Speaker 87: look on our screens. Sorry. Good

00:29:10 Speaker 87: morning. I'm just going to get

00:29:12 Speaker 87: my video up here. Good morning,

00:29:14 Speaker 91: Miss Cassidy. Good morning, everyone. can

00:29:17 Speaker 91: hear and see me. Yes, we

00:29:18 Speaker 91: can. And as you know, you

00:29:19 Speaker 91: have ten minutes to make your

00:29:22 Speaker 91: deputation. At that point, at your

00:29:24 Speaker 91: conclusion, I'll look around the room

00:29:25 Speaker 91: and see if we have any

00:29:30 Speaker 91: questions for you. So you have

00:29:32 Speaker 91: the floor. Okay. Thank you. Good

00:29:33 Speaker 91: morning. Good morning, Madam Warden, and

00:29:35 Speaker 91: respected members of Council. Thank you

00:29:37 Speaker 91: for taking the time to read

00:29:39 Speaker 91: and consider all the feedback from

00:29:40 Speaker 91: surrounding neighbours. Those who will have

00:29:43 Speaker 91: to live with this development, if

00:29:46 Speaker 91: allowed to proceed, and those who

00:29:47 Speaker 91: clearly oppose. I'm here speaking not

00:29:49 Speaker 91: only on my behalf and my

00:29:51 Speaker 91: family's behalf, but on theirs as

00:29:54 Speaker 91: well. I hope you have all

00:29:56 Speaker 91: had a chance to read and

00:29:57 Speaker 91: review the many letters submitted that

00:29:59 Speaker 91: were not included in the staff

00:30:01 Speaker 91: report. You have read many concerns

00:30:04 Speaker 91: about noise, traffic, environment, and concerns

00:30:07 Speaker 91: of who will be able to

00:30:09 Speaker 91: police these events and ensure they

00:30:13 Speaker 91: are operating as stated, especially late

00:30:15 Speaker 91: into the evening. What this comes

00:30:18 Speaker 91: down to, with respect to this

00:30:21 Speaker 91: meeting. is whether it is appropriate

00:30:23 Speaker 91: place for this type of growth

00:30:28 Speaker 91: and development under the Planning Act.

00:30:29 Speaker 91: Based on everything you have

00:30:31 Speaker 91: heard and read, having a 365

00:30:34 Speaker 91: day event venue, essentially mainly for

00:30:36 Speaker 91: weddings, and amplified music, and extended

00:30:38 Speaker 91: noise times right next door to

00:30:40 Speaker 91: residential houses makes this area entirely

00:30:42 Speaker 91: not the right place. The municipality

00:30:45 Speaker 91: of Grey Highlands just voted against

00:30:46 Speaker 91: this on June 18th. To summarise,

00:30:48 Speaker 91: this site is not surrounded by

00:30:52 Speaker 91: farmland. It's surrounded by residential properties.

00:30:55 Speaker 91: People live here and conduct their

00:30:57 Speaker 91: lives here. A simple Google search

00:30:59 Speaker 91: turns up eight homes within a

00:31:01 Speaker 91: few hundred metres of this proposed

00:31:03 Speaker 91: site, and many more within a

00:31:05 Speaker 91: kilometre. Please consider if any of

00:31:07 Speaker 91: you would be okay with having

00:31:10 Speaker 91: this right beside your home, and

00:31:12 Speaker 91: please vote accordingly. Noise studies. Noise

00:31:14 Speaker 91: studies are incomplete. The tests completed

00:31:16 Speaker 91: are simulated and not an actual

00:31:18 Speaker 91: representation of how noise will travel.

00:31:20 Speaker 91: To do this, the company that

00:31:24 Speaker 91: did the study would have had

00:31:26 Speaker 91: to have set up smart sorry

00:31:28 Speaker 91: smart microphones to monitor the sound

00:31:32 Speaker 91: on neighbouring properties. To my knowledge,

00:31:34 Speaker 91: this was not done. I can

00:31:36 Speaker 91: say this with confidence because my

00:31:40 Speaker 91: husband is has a sound engineering

00:31:43 Speaker 91: degree, and we own an audio

00:31:46 Speaker 91: production company and often have to

00:31:48 Speaker 91: monitor sound levels at events. A

00:31:50 Speaker 91: blanket change to the noise bylaw

00:31:51 Speaker 91: extended to these times is ridiculous

00:31:56 Speaker 91: and unfair to surrounding residents, and

00:32:00 Speaker 91: seems to be a contradiction to

00:32:02 Speaker 91: the eco-friendly venue that is being

00:32:05 Speaker 91: proposed. The current bylaw states that

00:32:06 Speaker 91: the loud operation of vehicle, home

00:32:09 Speaker 91: radio, stereo, or alike, at a

00:32:12 Speaker 91: level to disturb others, and can

00:32:13 Speaker 91: be heard at a loud level

00:32:15 Speaker 91: more. than fifty feet from the

00:32:16 Speaker 91: source is prohibited. There would be

00:32:19 Speaker 91: very limited employment opportunities for local

00:32:22 Speaker 91: businesses, as companies hired for events

00:32:25 Speaker 91: can be from anywhere, and will

00:32:28 Speaker 91: likely be someone that the event

00:32:30 Speaker 91: host knows and trusts. Tourism will

00:32:33 Speaker 91: not be bolstered as attendees will

00:32:37 Speaker 91: come to site, make noise and

00:32:39 Speaker 91: pollution, and leave to go to

00:32:42 Speaker 91: their homes outside of the area.

00:32:43 Speaker 91: Increased tourism. should not be considered

00:32:46 Speaker 91: in major residential areas. It should

00:32:48 Speaker 91: be directed towards city centres. There

00:32:51 Speaker 91: are two destination wedding venues within

00:32:53 Speaker 91: the immediate area, and additional ten

00:32:56 Speaker 91: within a twenty-kilometre drive of those

00:32:58 Speaker 91: seeking a natural-inspired event venue. There

00:33:00 Speaker 91: are also many Airbnb's as well

00:33:04 Speaker 91: as the Gandhi glamping across the

00:33:05 Speaker 91: street for those who are looking

00:33:08 Speaker 91: for a quiet retreat. Limiting size

00:33:12 Speaker 91: and scale is. smoke and

00:33:15 Speaker 91: mirrors. Fifty people can make just

00:33:17 Speaker 91: as much noise as ninety-five, and

00:33:19 Speaker 91: twelve occasions per year with ninety-five

00:33:21 Speaker 91: people is every weekend in the

00:33:25 Speaker 91: summer, when this would be most

00:33:27 Speaker 91: desirable. The additional trails that guests

00:33:29 Speaker 91: would be permitted to access is

00:33:31 Speaker 91: very concerning, as there's high potential

00:33:34 Speaker 91: for ecological damage under little supervision.

00:33:36 Speaker 91: Trespassing to neighbour properties, despite signage,

00:33:41 Speaker 91: will be inevitable. noting there is

00:33:45 Speaker 91: hunting in this area, and guests

00:33:48 Speaker 91: would likely be unaware of those

00:33:50 Speaker 91: rules and regulations. On-site porta potties,

00:33:53 Speaker 91: being considered for three years, should

00:33:56 Speaker 91: not be an option, and it

00:33:59 Speaker 91: is a red flag given the

00:34:02 Speaker 91: owner's history of non-compliance and unwillingness

00:34:05 Speaker 91: to consider the temporary use bylaw.

00:34:08 Speaker 91: As noted, the subject application falls

00:34:11 Speaker 91: outside of OPA twenty-three. Paul. Twenty-three

00:34:14 Speaker 91: policy. Sorry, the OPA twenty-three policy,

00:34:20 Speaker 91: and should not be considered on

00:34:22 Speaker 91: that basis. Given the amplified noise

00:34:25 Speaker 91: to be endured for extended hours,

00:34:29 Speaker 91: exceeding the maximum area, even when

00:34:32 Speaker 91: including trails, the number of guests

00:34:35 Speaker 91: allowed all year all year long,

00:34:38 Speaker 91: in a very residential area, the

00:34:42 Speaker 91: subject application is not small or

00:34:44 Speaker 91: recreational, and is no comparison. to

00:34:48 Speaker 91: OPA 23. Regarding OPA 22, the

00:34:50 Speaker 91: application states there will be 95

00:34:52 Speaker 91: people per event on a 40.76

00:34:57 Speaker 91: hectare property. This is misleading, as

00:35:00 Speaker 91: only 1.05 hectares are actually proposed

00:35:03 Speaker 91: for use. The remainder consists of

00:35:06 Speaker 91: significant woodland and wetland that will

00:35:09 Speaker 91: remain largely unused. This results in

00:35:12 Speaker 91: the actual density of over nine

00:35:15 Speaker 91: thousand and forty people per kilometre

00:35:17 Speaker 91: squared, which far exceeds the rural

00:35:19 Speaker 91: density standard of four hundred people

00:35:22 Speaker 91: per kilometre squared. Such density contradicts

00:35:24 Speaker 91: the definition of resource-based recreational use,

00:35:25 Speaker 91: and effectively reclassifies this operation as

00:35:28 Speaker 91: a commercial property. Finally, I'd like

00:35:29 Speaker 91: to reiterate: this is a rural

00:35:32 Speaker 91: residential area with many. surrounding residents

00:35:34 Speaker 91: that consists of young families, retired

00:35:37 Speaker 91: couples, and vacation homes. It is

00:35:38 Speaker 91: not the appropriate place for a

00:35:42 Speaker 91: commercial venue of this size. I'd

00:35:45 Speaker 91: like to take just another moment

00:35:46 Speaker 91: of your time to show you

00:35:50 Speaker 91: how close in proximity this proposed

00:35:54 Speaker 91: development is to my home as

00:35:56 Speaker 91: well as my neighbours. I'm currently

00:35:58 Speaker 91: standing on my neighbour's property and

00:36:00 Speaker 91: have been given permission from the

00:36:02 Speaker 91: vanrees, and I'm with well within

00:36:13 Speaker 91: their. property line, just behind this

00:36:18 Speaker 91: fence, just behind this fence behind

00:36:21 Speaker 91: me, is one of the proposed

00:36:22 Speaker 91: parking lots, cabin, tent, and cabin

00:36:24 Speaker 91: and tent camping areas. It is

00:36:26 Speaker 91: in very close proximity to my

00:36:30 Speaker 91: neighbour's front door, into our house,

00:36:35 Speaker 91: and our bedroom window, which is

00:36:41 Speaker 91: within 200 feet to the west

00:36:44 Speaker 91: behind the Van Rie residence. So

00:36:47 Speaker 91: this site currently has some yurts

00:36:49 Speaker 91: and a bathhouse that are already

00:36:51 Speaker 91: constructed. I'd like to just mention

00:36:54 Speaker 91: once more that I am within

00:36:55 Speaker 91: the property line, and I am

00:36:58 Speaker 91: not trespassing. There is a yurt

00:37:00 Speaker 91: just right here, another bathhouse here,

00:37:04 Speaker 91: and a yurt. platform just here.

00:37:06 Speaker 91: This is my neighbour's front door,

00:37:07 Speaker 91: and just beyond that, as I

00:37:09 Speaker 91: mentioned, to the west is my

00:37:12 Speaker 91: home, my husband's home, and my

00:37:14 Speaker 92: two-year-old son's home. Our bedroom window

00:37:20 Speaker 92: also faces to the east towards

00:37:22 Speaker 92: the proposed development, which is quite

00:37:24 Speaker 92: concerning to us in regards to

00:37:25 Speaker 92: the noise bylaw extension that's being

00:37:26 Speaker 93: requested. I'd like to thank you

00:37:31 Speaker 93: all for taking the time to

00:37:32 Speaker 93: listen to the concerns of this

00:37:33 Speaker 93: quiet rural residential neighbourhood, and I

00:37:36 Speaker 93: ask you to vote against this

00:37:38 Speaker 93: proposed development. Okay, thank you very

00:37:39 Speaker 94: much, Miss Cassidy. I'll just give

00:37:43 Speaker 94: you a moment to find your

00:37:48 Speaker 94: spot, and I'll look around the

00:37:50 Speaker 87: room to see if there are

00:37:53 Speaker 87: any questions. And I am not

00:37:55 Speaker 87: seeing any online or here in

00:37:56 Speaker 87: the chamber. So, thank you again

00:37:57 Speaker 87: for presenting your material for us

00:37:59 Speaker 87: this morning for our consideration. Thank

00:38:01 Speaker 87: you. Thank you so much for

00:38:04 Speaker 87: listening. Have a great day. Okay.

00:38:06 Speaker 87: Thank you. And we will now.

00:38:08 Speaker 87: Okay. So next up, we we

00:38:10 Speaker 87: do have Ms. Yanson Grieve, but

00:38:11 Speaker 87: we don't see her yet logged

00:38:12 Speaker 87: on. So what we can do

00:38:13 Speaker 87: is we can move on to

00:38:14 Speaker 87: Ms. Loft, who is presenting on

00:38:15 Speaker 87: behalf of Bcom Incorporated, and we'll.

00:38:17 Speaker 95: keep an eye out for participation

00:38:19 Speaker 95: from our third deputation. So, good

00:38:20 Speaker 95: morning, Ms. Loft. We have everybody

00:38:22 Speaker 96: here in the chamber and virtual.

00:38:25 Speaker 96: So, again, if you you will

00:38:28 Speaker 03: have ten minutes, and then at

00:38:39 Speaker 97: the end of that, I will

00:38:42 Speaker 97: take a moment to look around

00:38:44 Speaker 97: the room to see if there

00:38:46 Speaker 97: are any questions for you. You

00:38:47 Speaker 98: have the floor. Good morning. Thank

00:38:50 Speaker 98: you. So, I do have a

00:38:52 Speaker 98: PowerPoint, and I understand from staff

00:38:55 Speaker 98: that I am to present. So,

00:38:57 Speaker 98: I'll just share my screen if

00:38:59 Speaker 98: that's okay. Yes, please do. Thank

00:38:59 Speaker 98: you. Good morning to Warden Matrosovs,

00:39:01 Speaker 98: to County Council, as well as

00:39:02 Speaker 99: staff. My name is Christine Loft

00:39:06 Speaker 99: of Loft Planning Inc., and I

00:39:08 Speaker 99: am representing the landowner, Beacom Inc.

00:39:10 Speaker 99: The owners are online as well

00:39:11 Speaker 99: as in the audience today, and

00:39:13 Speaker 99: this delegation is related to official

00:39:15 Speaker 100: plan amendment twenty. Two. I am

00:39:17 Speaker 100: going to run through the slides

00:39:19 Speaker 100: fairly quickly, just because I have

00:39:21 Speaker 101: quite a few slides in ten

00:39:24 Speaker 102: minutes. So we are delegating today

00:39:27 Speaker 103: in order to provide County Council

00:39:30 Speaker 104: an overview of the proposal and

00:39:33 Speaker 105: to provide the updates that have

00:39:35 Speaker 105: been made from the original proposal

00:39:38 Speaker 105: in response to the comments received

00:39:40 Speaker 105: at the statutory public meeting, and

00:39:43 Speaker 105: ultimately to request that County Council

00:39:44 Speaker 105: approve the official plan amendment and

00:39:46 Speaker 105: and allow the daily details of

00:39:49 Speaker 105: the operations to be dealt with.

00:39:51 Speaker 105: through the implementing zoning bylaw amendment

00:39:52 Speaker 105: before the municipality of Grey Highlands.

00:39:54 Speaker 105: The property is known as four

00:39:56 Speaker 105: six six six one five twelfth

00:39:59 Speaker 105: concession B within the municipality of

00:40:01 Speaker 105: Grey Highlands. The lands are rectangularly

00:40:04 Speaker 105: shaped and located on the north

00:40:07 Speaker 105: side of the twelfth concession B.

00:40:10 Speaker 105: The lands are forty point seven

00:40:12 Speaker 105: six hectares, seven six hectares in

00:40:15 Speaker 105: lot area, with a lot frontage

00:40:17 Speaker 105: of three hundred and forty three

00:40:20 Speaker 105: metres. There are existing structures on.

00:40:22 Speaker 105: the property, including a dwelling, accessory

00:40:25 Speaker 105: and accessory structures. The lands are

00:40:26 Speaker 105: surrounded to the north by woodlands

00:40:28 Speaker 105: and agricultural lands. To the east,

00:40:30 Speaker 105: with woodlands, rural lands, and rural

00:40:36 Speaker 105: residents, rural residences. To the south

00:40:37 Speaker 105: are the are residences associated with

00:40:39 Speaker 105: Lake Eugenia, as well as extensive

00:40:42 Speaker 105: woodlands. And to the west are

00:40:45 Speaker 105: woodlands, rural lands, and a number

00:40:48 Speaker 105: of rural residences. The lands are

00:40:51 Speaker 105: reg. The lands are regulated by

00:40:54 Speaker 105: the Great Southern Conservation Authority, and

00:40:56 Speaker 105: specifically, the area at the front

00:40:57 Speaker 105: of the property, which we're proposing

00:40:59 Speaker 105: to redesignate, are regulated. With respect

00:41:01 Speaker 105: to the proposed venue use and

00:41:03 Speaker 105: accommodation use, there would be a

00:41:05 Speaker 105: proposed maximum of ninety-five guests permitted

00:41:07 Speaker 106: on site at any event. The

00:41:10 Speaker 107: proposed zoned and designated area is

00:41:13 Speaker 107: limited in area, and the proposed

00:41:15 Speaker 107: zoning would build upon. existing zoning

00:41:17 Speaker 107: by way of Exception Zero Four

00:41:19 Speaker 107: Three, which I'll speak about, and

00:41:21 Speaker 107: I know staff spoke about in

00:41:23 Speaker 107: their staff report as well. And

00:41:26 Speaker 107: so there are existing permissions on

00:41:27 Speaker 107: site for a health spa and

00:41:30 Speaker 107: for four trailer campsites as well

00:41:31 Speaker 107: as the dwelling. The lands are

00:41:34 Speaker 107: designated rural, wetland, and hazard. And

00:41:36 Speaker 107: the purpose of the official plan

00:41:38 Speaker 107: amendment is to amend Schedule A

00:41:43 Speaker 107: and to change the designation of

00:41:45 Speaker 107: the subject lands from. on a

00:41:47 Speaker 107: portion of the property from

00:41:50 Speaker 107: rural to the rural site specific

00:41:52 Speaker 107: designation, and as you will hear

00:41:54 Speaker 107: within the county staff report, the

00:41:58 Speaker 107: specific policy area will be limited

00:42:02 Speaker 107: to one point zero five hectares,

00:42:03 Speaker 107: and the site specific policy will

00:42:06 Speaker 107: permit an additional permitted

00:42:08 Speaker 107: use being an event venue. The

00:42:12 Speaker 107: county official plan provides that the

00:42:13 Speaker 107: rural areas will permit will permit

00:42:15 Speaker 107: the consideration of resource based recreational.

00:42:17 Speaker 107: Resource-based recreational uses and other appropriate

00:42:19 Speaker 107: rural land uses, so long as

00:42:21 Speaker 107: they do not impact agriculture, forestry,

00:42:23 Speaker 107: aggregate extraction, or the natural environment.

00:42:25 Speaker 107: And the official plan also provides

00:42:27 Speaker 107: that the rural land use type

00:42:30 Speaker 107: offers flexibility for law creation, economic

00:42:33 Speaker 107: development, tourism, residential, and recreation. And

00:42:36 Speaker 107: it also provides that while there

00:42:39 Speaker 107: is greater flexibility in the rural

00:42:42 Speaker 107: land use type, farming and resource

00:42:44 Speaker 107: uses are still to. be given

00:42:47 Speaker 107: priority for protection, and I would

00:42:49 Speaker 107: just provide that I've provided a

00:42:50 Speaker 107: planning report as well as an

00:42:51 Speaker 107: addendum, and certainly all of the

00:42:54 Speaker 107: policies within the rural designation have

00:42:55 Speaker 107: been provided in those reports and

00:42:57 Speaker 107: provide opinions with respect to the

00:42:58 Speaker 107: site plan. So this is a

00:43:00 Speaker 107: conceptual conceptual overview, and I've zoomed

00:43:01 Speaker 107: in just on the area that,

00:43:03 Speaker 107: in part, is proposed to be

00:43:07 Speaker 107: redesigned. Is proposed to be redesignated.

00:43:08 Speaker 107: So starting at the front lot

00:43:10 Speaker 107: line, and I guess because I'm

00:43:12 Speaker 107: presenting, I can sort of point.

00:43:13 Speaker 107: But the end at the at

00:43:15 Speaker 107: the front of the lot, of

00:43:17 Speaker 107: course, is the main entrance. And

00:43:20 Speaker 107: from the main entrance in is

00:43:22 Speaker 107: the existing residence, which is in

00:43:23 Speaker 107: on the left hand side and

00:43:27 Speaker 107: is in red. Moving down is

00:43:30 Speaker 107: a small parking area in yellow

00:43:32 Speaker 107: and labelled as parking. There is

00:43:34 Speaker 107: the hall, which is the proposed

00:43:38 Speaker 107: area as the event venue, and

00:43:41 Speaker 107: I'll show you photos in a

00:43:44 Speaker 107: minute. There is an existing pool

00:43:45 Speaker 107: on site. This purple area is

00:43:47 Speaker 107: the proposed septic system, and while

00:43:49 Speaker 107: this is conceptual, we have had

00:43:52 Speaker 107: Capes Engineering size it, so we

00:43:58 Speaker 107: expect that that shape and size

00:43:59 Speaker 107: is accurate. And then a parking

00:44:02 Speaker 108: area. There is the cabin tent

00:44:06 Speaker 108: area, and we've sort of shown

00:44:07 Speaker 108: in green the proposed tent sites,

00:44:10 Speaker 108: and as well as some additional

00:44:12 Speaker 108: parking to. Towards a little closer

00:44:14 Speaker 108: to the back of the property

00:44:15 Speaker 107: and a back of this designated

00:44:18 Speaker 107: area, and I would just note

00:44:21 Speaker 107: that this dark blue hashed line

00:44:24 Speaker 107: is actually the thirty-metre setback from

00:44:25 Speaker 107: the wetland and the hazard lands

00:44:28 Speaker 107: as identified within the environmental impact

00:44:32 Speaker 107: study. I have a few quick

00:44:34 Speaker 107: slides to show. So this is

00:44:37 Speaker 109: just a photo from the entrance,

00:44:39 Speaker 109: looking into the site and. you

00:44:41 Speaker 109: can see the existing house on

00:44:44 Speaker 107: the left. You can see the

00:44:47 Speaker 107: hall in the foreground, and then

00:44:49 Speaker 107: the pool is actually just beside

00:44:52 Speaker 107: the hall area. Two photos of,

00:44:53 Speaker 107: and you just saw them on

00:44:57 Speaker 107: the previous delegation. But there are

00:44:58 Speaker 107: existing platforms and yurts on site

00:45:01 Speaker 107: as part of the existing approvals

00:45:02 Speaker 107: of the site. This is actually

00:45:05 Speaker 107: a photo of the hall on

00:45:06 Speaker 107: the. left, a visual, and then

00:45:09 Speaker 107: an interior shot on the right-hand

00:45:11 Speaker 107: side. And then on the left,

00:45:15 Speaker 107: just a small area showing where

00:45:17 Speaker 107: wedding vows would be held, and

00:45:19 Speaker 107: on the right, just a photo

00:45:22 Speaker 107: of the pond area. This is

00:45:24 Speaker 107: the existing dwelling, and there are

00:45:26 Speaker 107: existing permissions in the zoning for

00:45:27 Speaker 107: a health spa as well as

00:45:29 Speaker 110: accommodation within that existing dwelling, and

00:45:32 Speaker 107: then a fire pit which exists

00:45:34 Speaker 107: today and just located. just in

00:45:37 Speaker 107: close proximity to the existing house.

00:45:41 Speaker 107: What is before County Council today

00:45:43 Speaker 107: is the official plan amendment. However,

00:45:45 Speaker 107: we are asking Council to approve

00:45:47 Speaker 107: the official plan amendment based on

00:45:48 Speaker 107: the details being provided within

00:45:51 Speaker 107: the implementing zoning bylaw. So, I

00:45:54 Speaker 107: just wanted to provide an overview

00:45:58 Speaker 107: of those details. So, the zoning

00:46:01 Speaker 107: bylaw does include a specific special

00:46:02 Speaker 107: events definition. Pardon me, as the

00:46:06 Speaker 107: zoning bylaw currently does not include.

00:46:08 Speaker 107: a definition. So the definition before

00:46:10 Speaker 107: before municipal council will be special

00:46:12 Speaker 107: events shall include the holding of

00:46:14 Speaker 107: an assembly of assembly of persons

00:46:17 Speaker 107: for the purpose of health and

00:46:19 Speaker 107: wellness retreats, educational events, corporate or

00:46:22 Speaker 107: business retreats, weddings, and other similar

00:46:24 Speaker 107: gatherings. And in terms of general

00:46:28 Speaker 107: provisions, total maximum number of guests

00:46:30 Speaker 107: on site at any given time:

00:46:32 Speaker 107: ninety-five persons per event. for twelve

00:46:34 Speaker 107: events a year, and a total

00:46:36 Speaker 107: maximum number of guests on site

00:46:37 Speaker 107: at any given time being for

00:46:40 Speaker 107: fifty persons, which would be unlimited

00:46:42 Speaker 107: number of events per year. Um,

00:46:46 Speaker 107: events could be held then January

00:46:50 Speaker 107: one through December thirty first, so

00:46:52 Speaker 107: all year annually, and then operations,

00:46:54 Speaker 107: um, Friday to Sunday events ending

00:46:56 Speaker 107: at eleven thirty p.m. and weekday

00:46:59 Speaker 107: hours of operations Monday through Thursday

00:47:01 Speaker 107: ending at eleven p.m. Ending at

00:47:02 Speaker 107: 11 p.m. So I have highlighted

00:47:05 Speaker 107: these in red because these have

00:47:08 Speaker 107: been changes that have been made

00:47:11 Speaker 107: since the initial submission in response

00:47:14 Speaker 107: to comments received at the public

00:47:16 Speaker 107: meeting. And with respect to on-site

00:47:18 Speaker 107: accommodation, there's a maximum of five

00:47:21 Speaker 107: guest cabins and a maximum of

00:47:24 Speaker 107: seven guest tents proposed, which just

00:47:27 Speaker 107: in terms of persons would be

00:47:28 Speaker 107: 34 guests. And then guest accommodation

00:47:30 Speaker 107: is 16 guests, and that is

00:47:32 Speaker 107: within the existing. house, and there

00:47:34 Speaker 107: are existing approvals for guests within

00:47:37 Speaker 107: that existing house. A number of

00:47:39 Speaker 107: technical reports have been completed, planning

00:47:41 Speaker 107: report as well as the draft

00:47:42 Speaker 107: amendments provided, and we provided addendum

00:47:45 Speaker 107: reports, a servicing report, an environmental

00:47:47 Speaker 107: impact study, a noise assessment has

00:47:49 Speaker 107: also been completed and has been

00:47:53 Speaker 107: peer reviewed. And while I won't

00:47:57 Speaker 107: go through the details of the

00:47:59 Speaker 107: technical studies, I did. just want

00:48:02 Speaker 107: to provide that again. The lands

00:48:04 Speaker 107: are regulated by the Conservation Authority.

00:48:05 Speaker 107: The Conservation Authority did review the

00:48:08 Speaker 107: environmental impact study and did provide

00:48:10 Speaker 107: comments on May twenty one, two

00:48:12 Speaker 107: thousand and twenty four. That the

00:48:15 Speaker 107: Conservation Authority has no objections to

00:48:17 Speaker 107: the proposal for the described zoning

00:48:20 Speaker 107: bylaw amendment application or the associated

00:48:23 Speaker 107: development. A noise assessment was completed,

00:48:26 Speaker 107: and the county actually had the

00:48:29 Speaker 107: noise assessment. peer reviewed on and

00:48:31 Speaker 107: on October twenty second two thousand

00:48:34 Speaker 107: and twenty four the peer review

00:48:36 Speaker 107: was completed and concluded that the

00:48:38 Speaker 107: proposed venue can be compatible. They

00:48:40 Speaker 107: did provide recommendations and we would

00:48:43 Speaker 107: agree that these recommendations are included

00:48:45 Speaker 107: within a site plan agreement, which

00:48:48 Speaker 107: of course would be typical. And

00:48:51 Speaker 107: it is proposed that and and

00:48:54 Speaker 107: the noise assessment did include this

00:48:57 Speaker 107: that an administration policy and management

00:49:00 Speaker 107: plan be. implemented by the land

00:49:04 Speaker 107: owner, and we actually have provided

00:49:06 Speaker 107: staff with a draft of what

00:49:08 Speaker 107: that policy would look like. A

00:49:10 Speaker 107: number of other considerations, of course,

00:49:13 Speaker 107: were made: traffic and traffic movements.

00:49:16 Speaker 107: There, a traffic impact study was

00:49:18 Speaker 107: not required as an as the

00:49:22 Speaker 107: anticipated traffic volumes are reasonable and

00:49:25 Speaker 107: serviceable by the existing road network.

00:49:26 Speaker 107: Refuse will be stored appropriately, covered

00:49:28 Speaker 107: on site. and within designated areas,

00:49:30 Speaker 107: an operational agreement would be provided

00:49:32 Speaker 107: to each organiser of events and

00:49:34 Speaker 107: would be mutually signed so they're

00:49:37 Speaker 107: aware of the rules and the

00:49:39 Speaker 107: limitations on site. And there will

00:49:42 Speaker 107: be on-site staffing at all times

00:49:44 Speaker 107: during event, representing the landowner and

00:49:46 Speaker 107: ensuring that the rules and regulations

00:49:48 Speaker 107: are met. Those are those are

00:49:51 Speaker 107: my those are my points. Those

00:49:54 Speaker 107: are my those are my comments,

00:49:57 Speaker 107: and on behalf of the owners

00:49:59 Speaker 107: of B Com Inc., we would

00:50:01 Speaker 107: ask the County Council approve the

00:50:02 Speaker 107: proposed official plan amendment before you.

00:50:05 Speaker 107: B Com wishes to establish and

00:50:08 Speaker 107: operate a successful and meaningful business

00:50:10 Speaker 107: that benefits both the municipality and

00:50:13 Speaker 107: the county. We have appreciated all

00:50:17 Speaker 107: of the work that municipal staff

00:50:19 Speaker 107: and county staff have put into

00:50:21 Speaker 107: this, and a lot of hours

00:50:26 Speaker 107: and time have been spent listening

00:50:28 Speaker 107: to the consideration. that we did

00:50:31 Speaker 92: here at the public meeting and

00:50:36 Speaker 92: following the public meeting, additional ratepayer

00:50:38 Speaker 92: comments. So we do feel that

00:50:40 Speaker 92: we we have listened to the

00:50:41 Speaker 92: comments. We've made significant changes to

00:50:43 Speaker 92: the proposal and feel that all

00:50:46 Speaker 92: of the recommendations provided within the

00:50:47 Speaker 92: technical reports can certainly be implemented

00:50:49 Speaker 31: through the zoning bylaw amendment through

00:50:51 Speaker 31: a site plan agreement. We are

00:50:53 Speaker 31: proposing a holding provision on the

00:50:54 Speaker 31: zoning. before municipal council, with regard

00:50:55 Speaker 31: to entering into a site plan

00:50:58 Speaker 31: agreement, and those are my comments.

00:51:06 Speaker 107: Okay, thank you very much, Miss

00:51:10 Speaker 107: Lovd. At this point in time,

00:51:12 Speaker 107: I will look around the chamber

00:51:14 Speaker 107: to see if there are any

00:51:16 Speaker 107: questions from council members. I'm going

00:51:19 Speaker 107: to go to Councillor Nielsen. Thank

00:51:23 Speaker 107: you very much, Warden. Just one

00:51:25 Speaker 107: question for clarity regarding the number

00:51:26 Speaker 107: of people's on site. Of persons

00:51:30 Speaker 107: on site, the 95 is the

00:51:33 Speaker 107: guests, and I'm just assuming that

00:51:35 Speaker 107: that does not include the number

00:51:37 Speaker 107: of staff that will require the

00:51:39 Speaker 107: band itself, event coordinators, and organisations.

00:51:40 Speaker 107: Thank you through you through you

00:51:41 Speaker 107: to the counselors. So the 95

00:51:44 Speaker 107: persons it includes guests, so that

00:51:45 Speaker 107: would include anyone staying anyone at

00:51:47 Speaker 107: the event and anyone staying overnight.

00:51:50 Speaker 107: It's it's a it's a total

00:51:57 Speaker 111: number of persons on site as

00:52:01 Speaker 112: part of the event. You are

00:52:03 Speaker 112: correct; it obviously does not include

00:52:04 Speaker 112: a person that's there overseeing the

00:52:09 Speaker 113: event or band members, which I

00:52:13 Speaker 113: would expect to be fairly minimal.

00:52:15 Speaker 113: But I think it's a good

00:52:17 Speaker 107: question, and it was—I know it

00:52:20 Speaker 107: was raised at municipal council, and

00:52:24 Speaker 107: I didn't have a chance to

00:52:26 Speaker 107: answer that day. But it is

00:52:28 Speaker 107: the total number of people that

00:52:32 Speaker 107: would be on site at the

00:52:35 Speaker 107: event. including those staying overnight. Thank

00:52:38 Speaker 107: you. Okay, it will go over

00:52:40 Speaker 107: to Councillor McKay. Yes, thank you.

00:52:42 Speaker 107: Through you, Warden. Sounds to me

00:52:44 Speaker 107: like was there a business there

00:52:47 Speaker 107: at one time. That's my only

00:52:49 Speaker 114: question. Ms. Loft, thank you. Through

00:52:54 Speaker 115: you to the councillor. So there

00:52:56 Speaker 116: are there are. existing zoning permissions

00:53:01 Speaker 116: on site that include a wellness

00:53:03 Speaker 117: facility within the existing house. It

00:53:06 Speaker 117: also did allow for overnight accommodation

00:53:08 Speaker 117: within the house, and it also

00:53:12 Speaker 117: included limited tent and trailer permissions

00:53:13 Speaker 117: on site. I'm not actually sure

00:53:14 Speaker 117: the extent of those operations, but

00:53:19 Speaker 117: certainly those are the permissions that

00:53:22 Speaker 117: are on site. I have been

00:53:23 Speaker 117: on site, and certainly those. portions

00:53:27 Speaker 117: exist, and and the house internally

00:53:31 Speaker 117: was certainly set up for a

00:53:33 Speaker 117: wellness centre. Thank you. Okay, I'll

00:53:34 Speaker 117: look around the room, and I'll

00:53:39 Speaker 117: go to Councillor Eccles. Thank you,

00:53:41 Speaker 107: and thank you for the presentation,

00:53:44 Speaker 107: Miss Loff. A couple of questions.

00:53:46 Speaker 107: One of them is on the

00:53:47 Speaker 107: 30 metre wetland setback. I can't

00:53:50 Speaker 107: tell you what page that's on.

00:53:53 Speaker 107: but it had the parking, the

00:53:54 Speaker 107: hall, the pool, the coloured one,

00:53:56 Speaker 107: and it's the blue line. It's

00:53:58 Speaker 107: a 30-metre setback, but it goes

00:53:59 Speaker 107: right through the pond area.

00:54:02 Speaker 107: I'm, I'm slightly confused on. We've

00:54:06 Speaker 107: got a setback from the, but

00:54:14 Speaker 107: it's right in the middle of

00:54:15 Speaker 107: the pond. Any explanation on that?

00:54:16 Speaker 107: Ms. Loft. Thank you. Thank you.

00:54:20 Speaker 118: Through the. chair to County Councillor

00:54:23 Speaker 118: Eccles. So the third, so first

00:54:24 Speaker 119: of all, we are meeting all

00:54:29 Speaker 117: of the setbacks to the wetland

00:54:32 Speaker 117: designation, and so if the

00:54:36 Speaker 117: wetland designate the wetland designation, I'd

00:54:39 Speaker 117: have to pull up the mapping,

00:54:41 Speaker 117: but it doesn't necessarily include the

00:54:46 Speaker 117: pond area. The pond area is

00:54:47 Speaker 117: likely within the conservation authority designate

00:54:50 Speaker 117: zones considered hazard. So we are

00:54:52 Speaker 117: meeting the requirements of the wetland

00:54:56 Speaker 117: designation. Okay, and I'll look around

00:54:58 Speaker 120: to see if there are any

00:55:02 Speaker 107: other questions. Oh, the follow-up from

00:55:05 Speaker 107: Councillor Eccles. Thank you. Yeah, I

00:55:08 Speaker 107: guess maybe the pond is not

00:55:12 Speaker 107: considered the wetland; it's just considered

00:55:14 Speaker 107: wet. My second question was somewhat

00:55:17 Speaker 107: similar to Councillor Nielsen's: ninety-five people

00:55:20 Speaker 107: or ninety-five guests on site for.

00:55:22 Speaker 107: twelve times a year, fifty people

00:55:26 Speaker 107: on site at any time, three

00:55:28 Speaker 107: hundred and sixty-five. I guess we

00:55:29 Speaker 107: could have that. So those twelve

00:55:32 Speaker 107: times of the year are those

00:55:33 Speaker 107: ninety-five in addition to the fifty,

00:55:35 Speaker 107: making it one forty-five for twelve

00:55:36 Speaker 107: times a year. Miss Lott, thank

00:55:38 Speaker 107: you, thank you. Through the chair

00:55:39 Speaker 107: to Councillor Eccles. So we. are

00:55:42 Speaker 107: proposing. So originally, the proposal was

00:55:45 Speaker 107: for 95 persons per event. But

00:55:46 Speaker 107: in listening to the comments received,

00:55:51 Speaker 107: it was decided by the landowners

00:55:54 Speaker 107: that really 12 events per year

00:55:56 Speaker 107: at the 95 persons was was

00:55:58 Speaker 107: reasonable in terms of the operations.

00:56:00 Speaker 107: They they certainly do not expect

00:56:01 Speaker 107: to have multiple events of that

00:56:04 Speaker 107: size a week, and that if

00:56:05 Speaker 107: you were holding an event of

00:56:08 Speaker 107: that size, then people. would want

00:56:11 Speaker 107: to be there the day before

00:56:14 Speaker 107: to set up and the day

00:56:19 Speaker 107: after to tear down, and and

00:56:22 Speaker 107: so it's certainly reasonable that there

00:56:25 Speaker 107: only be twelve events a year

00:56:28 Speaker 107: at the ninety-five persons, and with

00:56:30 Speaker 107: respect to the fifty persons, that

00:56:32 Speaker 107: would so it it the intent

00:56:35 Speaker 107: would be that those fifty persons

00:56:36 Speaker 107: would be it's obviously a much

00:56:38 Speaker 107: smaller event that it would be

00:56:42 Speaker 107: held in the hall, and that

00:56:45 Speaker 107: those may be through. Those may

00:56:47 Speaker 107: be throughout the year, so they

00:56:49 Speaker 121: could be within inclement weather, because

00:56:54 Speaker 121: the the event would be held

00:56:55 Speaker 122: within the hall only and limited

00:56:58 Speaker 122: to fifty persons per event. So,

00:56:59 Speaker 122: if like basically only twelve events

00:57:01 Speaker 122: a year can be at the

00:57:03 Speaker 123: ninety-five persons on site at any

00:57:06 Speaker 123: given time, should the owner wish

00:57:09 Speaker 123: to have within the same week

00:57:11 Speaker 124: a fifty event, a fifty persons

00:57:14 Speaker 124: event. They could do that, say

00:57:16 Speaker 107: on a Tuesday or Wednesday, a

00:57:19 Speaker 107: corporate retreat, a birthday party, a

00:57:26 Speaker 107: wedding shower. So, so there could

00:57:28 Speaker 93: be multiple events a year. However,

00:57:31 Speaker 93: the ninety-five persons per event would

00:57:34 Speaker 93: be limited to twelve. Okay, thank

00:57:37 Speaker 93: you. I have a question from

00:57:39 Speaker 93: the deputy warden. Thank you, Madam

00:57:43 Speaker 93: Warden, and thank you, Miss Law,

00:57:44 Speaker 93: for the presentation. How did you,

00:57:45 Speaker 93: or how did the proponent, come

00:57:46 Speaker 93: to the number of ninety-five? Like,

00:57:48 Speaker 125: not ninety-four, not ninety-six, ninety-five. How

00:57:51 Speaker 125: did you come to that one?

00:57:52 Speaker 126: Please. Thank you, Miss Lott. Thank

00:57:55 Speaker 126: you. Through the chair

00:57:57 Speaker 126: to the county councillor. It is

00:57:59 Speaker 126: the occupancy of the hall. Okay.

00:58:01 Speaker 10: Thank you. I'll look around for

00:58:03 Speaker 10: any further questions. Not seeing any

00:58:05 Speaker 10: here. We'll go to that's Madam

00:58:12 Speaker 127: Clerk. That's not Councillor Bourdonal's hand,

00:58:18 Speaker 128: right? That's just the cursor. Yeah.

00:58:21 Speaker 128: Okay. All right. Okay. So it

00:58:22 Speaker 03: looks like we've come to the

00:58:38 Speaker 129: conclusion of the questions for you,

00:58:44 Speaker 129: Ms. Loff. Thank you very much

00:58:46 Speaker 129: for presenting and for sharing your

00:58:47 Speaker 129: materials. Thank you for your time.

00:58:50 Speaker 129: Okay. Thank you. So with that,

00:58:51 Speaker 129: then we will move on to

00:58:52 Speaker 129: items to determine requiring separate discussion,

01:05:20 Speaker 129: listed in section. six. We have

01:05:22 Speaker 129: five different items. Are there any

01:05:24 Speaker 129: items there that any county council

01:08:16 Speaker 129: members wish to pull? We'll go

01:08:17 Speaker 129: to councillor body. I'd like to

01:08:20 Speaker 129: discuss six D and E separately.

01:08:22 Speaker 129: We'll be passing and supporting, but

01:08:23 Speaker 129: just think they need to be

01:08:26 Speaker 129: highlighted. Thanks. Sorry, I'm just

01:08:28 Speaker 129: getting some messages there. Sorry, could

01:08:32 Speaker 129: we just take a five-minute break,

01:08:34 Speaker 129: please? We just need a chance

01:08:35 Speaker 129: to coordinate some some process questions

01:08:37 Speaker 129: that are coming across the table

01:08:39 Speaker 129: here. So we'll just take a

01:08:41 Speaker 129: brief five-minute break, please. If I

01:08:43 Speaker 129: can invite all the county members,

01:08:45 Speaker 129: county committee, the whole members back

01:08:46 Speaker 129: to their table, thank you. Okay,

01:08:48 Speaker 129: thank you very much, Committee. The

01:08:51 Speaker 129: whole members, we sorted our our

01:08:53 Speaker 129: questions here at the table out,

01:08:54 Speaker 129: and I'd like to be be

01:08:57 Speaker 129: able to begin again then with.

01:08:59 Speaker 129: item number five, determination of items

01:09:01 Speaker 129: requiring separate discussions. So, Councillor Body.

01:09:02 Speaker 129: Yeah, the questions that I had

01:09:04 Speaker 129: actually are pretty simple, and I

01:09:06 Speaker 129: got they got answered just in

01:09:09 Speaker 129: the break there. So I don't

01:09:11 Speaker 129: need to have those pulled from

01:09:12 Speaker 129: the consent. Thank you. Okay, thank

01:09:13 Speaker 129: you. Are there any other items

01:09:15 Speaker 129: through A through E that wish

01:09:18 Speaker 129: to be pulled that the committee,

01:09:21 Speaker 129: the whole members wish to pull?

01:09:25 Speaker 129: Okay, so seeing none then, and

01:09:27 Speaker 129: then I will then put out.

01:09:30 Speaker 129: the recommendation is that the following

01:09:35 Speaker 129: consent agenda consent agenda items be

01:09:37 Speaker 129: received, and that staff be authorised

01:09:38 Speaker 129: to take actions necessary to give

01:09:40 Speaker 129: effect to the recommendations in the

01:09:41 Speaker 129: staff reports, and that course that

01:09:43 Speaker 129: the correspondence be supported or received

01:09:44 Speaker 129: for information as recommended in the

01:09:47 Speaker 129: consent agenda. So with that, I'll

01:09:50 Speaker 129: look for a mover and a

01:09:51 Speaker 129: seconder, moved by Councillor Carleton, seconded

01:09:54 Speaker 129: by Councillor Dobrin. Any discussion? All

01:09:56 Speaker 129: those in favour? And that motion

01:10:01 Speaker 129: is carried. Thank you. Okay, so

01:10:04 Speaker 129: that allows us to move on

01:10:07 Speaker 129: to items for separate discussion, and

01:10:09 Speaker 129: we have we have six seven.

01:10:12 Speaker 129: We have a number of different

01:10:16 Speaker 129: items here, so we are going

01:10:20 Speaker 129: to begin with item seven A,

01:10:22 Speaker 129: just to get it onto the

01:10:24 Speaker 129: floor. Then I will look for

01:10:26 Speaker 129: if there's a mover and a

01:10:28 Speaker 129: seconder for the recommended motion that

01:10:30 Speaker 129: report PDRCW fifty two twenty five

01:10:35 Speaker 129: regarding OPA twenty two B. OPA

01:10:38 Speaker 129: 22 Bcom Inc Highland Estate be

01:10:39 Speaker 129: received, and that the official plan

01:10:40 Speaker 129: amendment 4208180 OPA 22 OPA 22

01:10:42 Speaker 129: Bcom Inc, also known as Highland

01:10:45 Speaker 129: Estate, which proposes a site-specific exception

01:10:52 Speaker 130: to the rural designation to permit

01:10:55 Speaker 131: a special events venue on approximately

01:10:59 Speaker 131: 105 acre at 1.05 acres, legally

01:11:02 Speaker 131: described as part lot 33 concession.

01:11:05 Speaker 131: thirteen in the geographic township of

01:11:08 Speaker 131: Artemisia, now in the municipality of

01:11:11 Speaker 131: Grey Highlands, be supported, and that

01:11:13 Speaker 131: staff be directed to prepare a

01:11:17 Speaker 131: bylaw for approval by county council.

01:11:22 Speaker 131: Is there a mover? Moved by

01:11:24 Speaker 131: Councillor Hutchinson, seconded. Seconded by Councillor

01:11:26 Speaker 131: Carleton. It's now on the floor

01:11:28 Speaker 131: for discussion. And with that, then

01:11:30 Speaker 131: I would like to invite Miss

01:11:32 Speaker 131: Hillier to come to the lectern

01:11:35 Speaker 131: to present, make her presentation. Good

01:11:36 Speaker 131: morning. Good morning, County Council. Before

01:11:39 Speaker 131: I get started today, I just

01:11:41 Speaker 131: wanted to acknowledge all of those

01:11:44 Speaker 131: individuals who provided input into this

01:11:47 Speaker 131: file that we're reviewing here today.

01:11:49 Speaker 131: Over the past year, we've had

01:11:51 Speaker 131: numerous public comments come in with

01:11:53 Speaker 131: regards to this development. I have.

01:11:54 Speaker 131: reviewed all of them. In particular,

01:11:56 Speaker 131: just before our, sorry, between the

01:11:59 Speaker 131: time of having written the staff

01:12:01 Speaker 131: report and and presenting here today,

01:12:02 Speaker 131: we did receive a number of

01:12:05 Speaker 131: new comments that have come in

01:12:08 Speaker 131: to myself and to our our

01:12:11 Speaker 131: clerk staff. To my knowledge, all

01:12:13 Speaker 131: or most of those have been

01:12:22 Speaker 131: circulated to our council members. I

01:12:23 Speaker 131: have personally reviewed all of those,

01:12:24 Speaker 131: and the ones that we see.

01:12:27 Speaker 131: on our consent agenda today were

01:12:29 Speaker 131: those individuals who had specifically requested

01:12:30 Speaker 131: that their comments be read or

01:12:32 Speaker 131: presented out to council today. So

01:12:35 Speaker 131: that was the reason that those

01:12:37 Speaker 131: comments were listed on the consent

01:12:40 Speaker 131: agenda, whereas others were not on

01:12:42 Speaker 131: the agenda. But I did just

01:12:45 Speaker 131: want to reassure everyone that those

01:12:48 Speaker 131: comments have been reviewed and acknowledged

01:12:50 Speaker 131: and certainly considered as part of

01:12:52 Speaker 131: this recommendation for the development as

01:12:54 Speaker 131: a whole. So with that. I

01:12:56 Speaker 131: can launch into things here. So

01:12:58 Speaker 131: Miss Loff did a great job

01:12:59 Speaker 131: presenting a bit of an overview

01:13:02 Speaker 131: of of this file, which was

01:13:04 Speaker 131: excellent. I am going to take

01:13:06 Speaker 131: a little bit more time with

01:13:08 Speaker 131: this one today, just acknowledging, you

01:13:11 Speaker 131: know, some of the discussions and

01:13:14 Speaker 131: and challenges with this file. You

01:13:16 Speaker 131: know, the the recommendation that we're

01:13:18 Speaker 131: presenting here today is is certainly

01:13:20 Speaker 131: not something. that I've I've taken

01:13:22 Speaker 131: lightly. There have been just numerous

01:13:24 Speaker 131: discussions between myself and Gray Highlands

01:13:26 Speaker 131: Planning staff with the applicant with

01:13:29 Speaker 131: members of the public. So this

01:13:30 Speaker 131: this really has been quite a

01:13:32 Speaker 131: complex process and certainly one of

01:13:36 Speaker 131: the more challenging files I've worked

01:13:38 Speaker 131: on during my time with the

01:13:41 Speaker 131: county. So as Miss Loft noted,

01:13:44 Speaker 131: we've got a County Official Plan

01:13:46 Speaker 131: Amendment OPA twenty two to establish

01:13:51 Speaker 131: a special events venue for hosting

01:13:53 Speaker 131: events weddings. retreats, other types of

01:13:56 Speaker 131: smaller functions, potentially family reunions, small

01:13:59 Speaker 131: classes, those types of things. The

01:14:01 Speaker 132: property is around forty point five

01:14:04 Speaker 132: hectares in size, just over a

01:14:07 Speaker 132: hundred acres or so. Currently features

01:14:08 Speaker 132: a single residential dwelling and accessory

01:14:09 Speaker 132: structures. Some of those accessory structures

01:14:11 Speaker 132: include a historic hangar on the

01:14:13 Speaker 132: property, as well as a building

01:14:15 Speaker 131: that would be converted to that

01:14:18 Speaker 131: hall function for accommodating events. The

01:14:20 Speaker 131: lands have frontage on twelve. Have

01:14:22 Speaker 131: frontage on Twelfth Concession B in

01:14:24 Speaker 131: Grey Highlands, and the surrounding land

01:14:28 Speaker 131: uses largely include forest, wetlands, and

01:14:29 Speaker 131: other smaller residential parcels to the

01:14:31 Speaker 131: south. As one of the commenters

01:14:33 Speaker 131: today had noted, the municipality of

01:14:34 Speaker 131: Grey Highlands has also recently approved

01:14:37 Speaker 131: a ten-unit blamping facility on a

01:14:39 Speaker 131: property just south. So this is

01:14:41 Speaker 131: the subject property here. This little

01:14:42 Speaker 131: cleared area. towards the bottom is.

01:14:43 Speaker 131: Sorry, I'm not sure you can't

01:14:45 Speaker 131: actually see. My first, the cleared

01:14:48 Speaker 131: area towards the bottom of the

01:14:49 Speaker 131: site is is where the event

01:14:51 Speaker 131: function would be held, and then

01:14:53 Speaker 131: the property just to kind of

01:14:55 Speaker 131: kitty corner there. The larger one

01:14:58 Speaker 131: south of of Twelve Concession B

01:14:59 Speaker 131: is where that glamping facility has

01:15:00 Speaker 131: has been approved. So just to

01:15:03 Speaker 131: zoom in a little bit closer

01:15:04 Speaker 131: here, you can see towards the

01:15:07 Speaker 131: road we've got the dwelling that

01:15:09 Speaker 131: exists that would be used for

01:15:10 Speaker 131: that short-term accommodation. purposes for guests,

01:15:13 Speaker 131: we've got that central parking area.

01:15:14 Speaker 131: Towards the back, you can see

01:15:17 Speaker 131: a little structure right at the

01:15:19 Speaker 131: top of the screen. There, that's

01:15:21 Speaker 131: the historic hangar. One of the

01:15:24 Speaker 131: changes that has been proposed or

01:15:26 Speaker 131: has come about as a result

01:15:28 Speaker 131: of some of the comments from

01:15:29 Speaker 131: the public and and some of

01:15:31 Speaker 131: those studies that we reviewed is

01:15:33 Speaker 131: initially events were going to be

01:15:34 Speaker 131: held, or there was an option

01:15:35 Speaker 131: of the for events to be

01:15:36 Speaker 131: held within that hangar structure. Is

01:15:39 Speaker 133: is kind of a live music.

01:15:43 Speaker 133: Is this kind of a live

01:15:45 Speaker 133: music type of venue? The noise

01:15:47 Speaker 134: studies we personally felt were were

01:15:49 Speaker 134: going to be too impactful for

01:15:51 Speaker 134: the for the natural environment, and

01:15:53 Speaker 131: so we did request with the

01:15:56 Speaker 131: applicant that that be removed from

01:15:57 Speaker 131: the event portion. So that is

01:15:59 Speaker 131: no longer contemplated within the OPA,

01:16:01 Speaker 131: and that structure has been removed.

01:16:05 Speaker 131: So all of the amplified noise

01:16:07 Speaker 131: would be held within the hall

01:16:10 Speaker 131: structure, was which is sort of

01:16:12 Speaker 131: in the central portion of that

01:16:15 Speaker 131: treat area. There, these are older

01:16:16 Speaker 131: photos. so you can't see the

01:16:17 Speaker 131: building at this point. And then,

01:16:20 Speaker 131: sort of to the left of

01:16:22 Speaker 131: that treat area would be where

01:16:23 Speaker 131: the short-term accommodation uses would be.

01:16:25 Speaker 131: So, just as some additional background

01:16:28 Speaker 131: here, the lands are designated as

01:16:30 Speaker 131: rural hazard lands and provincially significant

01:16:33 Speaker 131: wet wetlands and Schedule A

01:16:35 Speaker 131: of the county's official plan. It's

01:16:38 Speaker 131: also designated as a core area.

01:16:40 Speaker 131: So, for those who aren't aware,

01:16:41 Speaker 131: our core area is our areas

01:16:43 Speaker 131: within the county that we see

01:16:44 Speaker 131: as being See it being the

01:16:47 Speaker 131: most ecologically significant because they often

01:16:49 Speaker 131: overlap with our significant wetlands and

01:16:50 Speaker 131: our significant woodlands, and they provide

01:16:52 Speaker 131: a very contiguous area of species

01:16:55 Speaker 131: habitat. And so, from that perspective,

01:16:56 Speaker 131: from the beginning, you know, one

01:16:59 Speaker 131: of the public interests here is

01:17:02 Speaker 131: really that protection of the natural

01:17:05 Speaker 131: environment. And so, we did request

01:17:09 Speaker 131: from the beginning that an environmental

01:17:12 Speaker 131: impact study be conducted at the

01:17:14 Speaker 131: site, which has been done and

01:17:15 Speaker 131: reviewed by our planning ecology staff.

01:17:18 Speaker 131: in house, the event buildings are

01:17:20 Speaker 131: predominantly located within existing cleared areas

01:17:23 Speaker 131: of the property. As noted, just

01:17:26 Speaker 131: if we scroll back one, that

01:17:27 Speaker 131: kind of pocket of trees right

01:17:30 Speaker 131: in the middle. A portion of

01:17:32 Speaker 131: that is proposed to be cleared

01:17:34 Speaker 131: for a future septic system, which

01:17:36 Speaker 131: would connect the event hall as

01:17:38 Speaker 131: well as all of the accommodation

01:17:41 Speaker 131: uses. So everything would be run

01:17:44 Speaker 131: on a central septic system, which

01:17:45 Speaker 131: would you know have the impact

01:17:48 Speaker 131: of the kind of consolidating. Of

01:17:50 Speaker 131: kind of consolidating the septic and

01:17:53 Speaker 131: you know kind of preventing potential

01:17:54 Speaker 131: future impacts with the surrounding wetland

01:17:57 Speaker 131: feature, for example. So, along with

01:18:00 Speaker 131: the county official plan amendment, as

01:18:01 Speaker 131: Ms. Loth noted, a zoning bylaw

01:18:03 Speaker 131: amendment has been submitted to Gray

01:18:06 Speaker 131: Highlands. These have been both of

01:18:09 Speaker 131: these applications have been reviewed concurrently

01:18:11 Speaker 131: by county and municipal staff. The

01:18:13 Speaker 131: zoning proposal in front of Gray

01:18:15 Speaker 131: Highlands. at the moment would permit

01:18:16 Speaker 131: the proposed special event use as

01:18:18 Speaker 131: well as overnight guest accommodations. So

01:18:21 Speaker 131: that includes a maximum of five

01:18:22 Speaker 131: guest cabins, seven tent sites, accommodation

01:18:24 Speaker 131: for up to 14 guests in

01:18:26 Speaker 131: existing structures, and a total of

01:18:29 Speaker 131: 41 parking spaces. As Ms. Loft

01:18:32 Speaker 131: noted, there is already zoning permissions

01:18:35 Speaker 131: in effect for the health spa

01:18:38 Speaker 131: use on this property. Just looking

01:18:41 Speaker 131: at the Highland zoning bylaw, it

01:18:43 Speaker 131: doesn't seem that that's a particular

01:18:44 Speaker 131: It doesn't seem that that's a

01:18:46 Speaker 131: particularly well defined term within their

01:18:49 Speaker 131: zoning bylaw, but just noting, you

01:18:51 Speaker 131: know, it does have that existing

01:18:54 Speaker 131: kind of commercial permissions already in

01:18:56 Speaker 131: effect. The rationale for the OPA

01:18:57 Speaker 131: here, when we were looking at

01:18:59 Speaker 131: this file initially, we didn't have

01:19:01 Speaker 131: any policies in effect within our

01:19:04 Speaker 131: official plan to kind of give

01:19:06 Speaker 131: an easy response to whether or

01:19:10 Speaker 131: not this should be permitted or

01:19:11 Speaker 131: not, and we kind of had

01:19:13 Speaker 131: chatted internally about whether or not

01:19:16 Speaker 131: we could. squeak this under the

01:19:19 Speaker 131: definition of a resource-based recreational use,

01:19:21 Speaker 131: noting you know the the kind

01:19:22 Speaker 131: of rationale for connecting the event

01:19:25 Speaker 131: with the surrounding natural environment. Ultimately,

01:19:26 Speaker 131: county staff felt that this didn't

01:19:27 Speaker 131: quite meet the definition of a

01:19:29 Speaker 131: resource-based recreational use. We didn't feel

01:19:34 Speaker 131: that events, by their very nature,

01:19:37 Speaker 131: relied on access to the natural

01:19:39 Speaker 131: environment, and so we did request

01:19:41 Speaker 131: that a county official plan amendment

01:19:42 Speaker 131: just to. add an additional level

01:19:44 Speaker 131: of review to file. I would

01:19:47 Speaker 131: also note that that's a slightly

01:19:48 Speaker 131: different planning opinion than Great Highlands

01:19:49 Speaker 131: staff had the during the initial

01:19:51 Speaker 131: phases. So they did not request

01:19:55 Speaker 131: an official plan amendment to the

01:19:58 Speaker 131: Great Highlands official plan. So with

01:19:59 Speaker 131: some of the feedback that's come

01:20:00 Speaker 131: out of the public process, one

01:20:02 Speaker 131: of the main concerns were okay

01:20:05 Speaker 131: if you permit this event use

01:20:07 Speaker 131: now, you know. To use now,

01:20:09 Speaker 131: you know what are the chances

01:20:11 Speaker 131: that this is going to scale

01:20:12 Speaker 131: up in future, and so on

01:20:16 Speaker 131: the left side of the screen

01:20:18 Speaker 131: here is the original schedule A,

01:20:20 Speaker 131: and so you can see that

01:20:22 Speaker 131: that that a hatched red area

01:20:25 Speaker 131: towards the southern portion of the

01:20:27 Speaker 131: property there. So it was originally

01:20:31 Speaker 131: about two hectares in extent that

01:20:33 Speaker 131: we had kind of said, yeah,

01:20:36 Speaker 131: the the event venue space can

01:20:40 Speaker 131: can go in this general area,

01:20:42 Speaker 131: but as we really started honing

01:20:44 Speaker 131: in on some of those. public

01:20:46 Speaker 131: comments and really tightening up the

01:20:48 Speaker 131: definition of what actually falls within

01:20:51 Speaker 131: that category of a special event,

01:20:56 Speaker 131: we really wanted to hone in

01:20:58 Speaker 131: on you know what are the

01:21:00 Speaker 131: areas of the property where that

01:21:02 Speaker 131: event venue could could function and

01:21:05 Speaker 131: and would be covered with the

01:21:07 Speaker 131: OPA, and so we've scaled that

01:21:08 Speaker 131: back to one point zero five

01:21:10 Speaker 131: hectares, which is about half of

01:21:11 Speaker 131: of that original proposal that that

01:21:13 Speaker 131: had initially been circulated out to

01:21:15 Speaker 131: the public. The hangar area has

01:21:17 Speaker 131: also been excluded within that designation

01:21:19 Speaker 131: area, so all of that amplified

01:21:20 Speaker 131: sound would again be located within

01:21:22 Speaker 131: that enclosed hall structure. Just so

01:21:23 Speaker 131: we're on the same page, the

01:21:25 Speaker 131: wording for the special event venue

01:21:28 Speaker 131: within the current draft OPA is:

01:21:29 Speaker 131: so for the purposes of this

01:21:30 Speaker 131: use, a special event venue shall

01:21:34 Speaker 131: be limited to an event hall

01:21:36 Speaker 131: servicing area. Servicing areas, so including

01:21:38 Speaker 131: the septic system, toilet facilities, the

01:21:40 Speaker 131: parking area, swimming pool, and outdoor

01:21:44 Speaker 131: ceremony area. In terms of the

01:21:46 Speaker 131: development process and timeline, so this

01:21:49 Speaker 131: is again come up, understandably, by

01:21:51 Speaker 131: members of the public is is

01:21:52 Speaker 131: to say, you know, we, you

01:21:55 Speaker 131: know, Great Highlands is is approving

01:21:56 Speaker 131: something and county is approving something,

01:21:58 Speaker 131: but we don't understand really who's

01:21:59 Speaker 131: doing what and who's kind of

01:22:02 Speaker 131: responsible for what. So I just

01:22:05 Speaker 131: wanted to to to, you know,

01:22:08 Speaker 131: understandably, there's some complexity with the

01:22:10 Speaker 131: planning process, and I just wanted

01:22:13 Speaker 131: to take a moment to kind

01:22:15 Speaker 131: of talk through kind of what

01:22:16 Speaker 131: the process has been so far

01:22:18 Speaker 135: and what the remaining steps are

01:22:21 Speaker 135: in in this process. So probably,

01:22:22 Speaker 135: you know, more than two years

01:22:24 Speaker 135: ago, we started out with the

01:22:26 Speaker 131: pre consultation process, and I will

01:22:28 Speaker 131: acknowledge that there were some bylaw

01:22:30 Speaker 131: concerns with this property. I understand

01:22:32 Speaker 131: that the applicants, during the course

01:22:34 Speaker 131: of COVID, had had started operationalizing.

01:22:37 Speaker 131: the event venue without the proper

01:22:39 Speaker 131: permissions in place, and bylaw did

01:22:41 Speaker 131: get involved within Grey Highlands, and

01:22:43 Speaker 131: I don't sort of know the

01:22:44 Speaker 131: full specifics of that, but that

01:22:47 Speaker 131: was kind of when Miss Loft

01:22:49 Speaker 131: was involved, and and really we

01:22:52 Speaker 131: started to kind of hone in

01:22:54 Speaker 131: on a path of, okay, can

01:22:57 Speaker 131: we can we provide a route

01:22:59 Speaker 131: forward to to begin legalizing this

01:23:02 Speaker 131: use, and so in that respect,

01:23:04 Speaker 131: we're we are considering this as

01:23:07 Speaker 131: a new. use, you know, even

01:23:10 Speaker 131: though they've they've they may or

01:23:11 Speaker 131: may not have been running for

01:23:12 Speaker 131: a certain period of time, we're

01:23:13 Speaker 131: we're we don't kind of give

01:23:15 Speaker 131: credit to that. This is kind

01:23:17 Speaker 131: of we're we're talking about from

01:23:21 Speaker 131: the ground up here. We're considering

01:23:23 Speaker 131: this as as really a new

01:23:26 Speaker 131: use. So following the pre consultation

01:23:28 Speaker 131: process, which I identified that the

01:23:30 Speaker 131: types of studies that would be

01:23:34 Speaker 131: required, the applicant submitted a zoning

01:23:35 Speaker 131: bylaw to Gray Highlands, and county

01:23:39 Speaker 131: staff advised them that the official.

01:23:40 Speaker 131: plan amendment would be required as

01:23:42 Speaker 131: well, so they did submit an

01:23:44 Speaker 131: OPA to the county. The applications

01:23:47 Speaker 131: were deemed complete by both Gray

01:23:49 Speaker 131: County and the municipal. Sorry, Gray

01:23:52 Speaker 131: County and the municipality, and were

01:23:55 Speaker 131: circulated to all neighbours. The Planning

01:23:57 Speaker 131: Act stipulates that all neighbours within

01:24:00 Speaker 131: 120 metres of the property should

01:24:03 Speaker 131: be notified. We actually took it

01:24:05 Speaker 131: upon ourselves to increase that circulation

01:24:08 Speaker 131: to to double that to 240

01:24:11 Speaker 131: metres. To two hundred and forty

01:24:13 Speaker 131: metres. Just noting that this is

01:24:15 Speaker 131: something that you know neighbours are

01:24:17 Speaker 131: are going to want to have

01:24:20 Speaker 131: a say on, and and I

01:24:22 Speaker 131: felt that that was important to

01:24:25 Speaker 131: make it known that this application

01:24:27 Speaker 131: was occurring. We had lots of

01:24:32 Speaker 131: comments that were received during that

01:24:34 Speaker 131: commenting period. We did have a

01:24:38 Speaker 131: public meeting, and since that public

01:24:39 Speaker 131: meeting, the applicants have been working

01:24:40 Speaker 131: to redefine that application and the

01:24:44 Speaker 131: proposal of of what's being put

01:24:46 Speaker 131: forward here today. We're here today.

01:24:48 Speaker 131: Eventually, we got to a point

01:24:50 Speaker 131: where we had felt, you know,

01:24:52 Speaker 131: to the best of the applicant's

01:24:53 Speaker 131: capacity and our capacity, we have

01:24:56 Speaker 131: reasonably addressed those most of those

01:24:58 Speaker 131: public comments and concerns. A staff

01:25:02 Speaker 131: report was prepared by the Gray

01:25:04 Speaker 131: Highlands planner. It was brought to

01:25:06 Speaker 131: Gray Highlands Council for a recommendation

01:25:08 Speaker 131: on whether to support the county

01:25:10 Speaker 131: official plan amendment. That was ultimately

01:25:12 Speaker 131: a lost vote by. Gray Highlands.

01:25:14 Speaker 131: No further resolution was provided to

01:25:16 Speaker 136: County Council or staff at that

01:25:20 Speaker 136: stage. But just noting that it

01:25:23 Speaker 136: would appear that Gray Highlands did

01:25:25 Speaker 136: not support the OPA at that

01:25:27 Speaker 136: stage. So here we are today

01:25:29 Speaker 131: in front of County Council. We

01:25:32 Speaker 131: are looking for how to move

01:25:36 Speaker 131: forward with this application. Following any

01:25:37 Speaker 131: decision today, it would come forward

01:25:39 Speaker 131: for a future. decision on the

01:25:41 Speaker 131: OPA bylaw, and it would still

01:25:43 Speaker 131: need to go back to Grey

01:25:46 Speaker 131: Highlands for a decision on the

01:25:47 Speaker 131: zoning bylaw amendment. Following all the

01:25:50 Speaker 131: appeal periods, the applicant would then

01:25:51 Speaker 131: have to go through a site

01:25:54 Speaker 131: plan approval process, where we would

01:25:57 Speaker 131: come up with conditions that would

01:26:01 Speaker 131: need to be put in place

01:26:03 Speaker 131: for, with regards to the site

01:26:06 Speaker 131: design and operationalization, and only after

01:26:09 Speaker 131: that has been. signed and sealed

01:26:11 Speaker 131: and put in place, that the

01:26:12 Speaker 131: applicants would then have the opportunity

01:26:16 Speaker 131: to apply for building permits. And

01:26:18 Speaker 131: from my understanding, that includes any

01:26:19 Speaker 131: retroactive building permits that would be

01:26:23 Speaker 131: required to permit some of these

01:26:25 Speaker 131: structures that were built without a

01:26:26 Speaker 131: building permit. So, in terms of

01:26:29 Speaker 131: supporting work, we have received a

01:26:31 Speaker 131: planning justification report, a servicing study,

01:26:33 Speaker 131: a noise study, which, as Christine

01:26:35 Speaker 131: noted, included a peer review process.

01:26:38 Speaker 131: as well as an environmental impact

01:26:39 Speaker 131: study. Christine also took you through

01:26:40 Speaker 131: a few photos of the property,

01:26:43 Speaker 131: but just to reiterate, here are

01:26:45 Speaker 131: a few. So we've got the

01:26:47 Speaker 131: single detached dwelling in the top

01:26:52 Speaker 131: top photo on the right. We've

01:26:54 Speaker 137: got some of those tent platforms

01:26:58 Speaker 137: that existed during the time of

01:26:59 Speaker 137: a site visit. In the bottom

01:27:01 Speaker 137: left is kind of one of

01:27:02 Speaker 137: those glamping cabin slash tent facilities.

01:27:06 Speaker 131: so everything is is mostly movable

01:27:09 Speaker 131: and and kind of temporary in

01:27:10 Speaker 131: nature. I do understand that some

01:27:11 Speaker 131: of these structures may have been

01:27:14 Speaker 131: built within that required setback in

01:27:16 Speaker 131: terms of zoning, and so these

01:27:18 Speaker 131: would be relocated should this move

01:27:20 Speaker 131: forward and as as a requirement

01:27:21 Speaker 131: of the site plan process and

01:27:24 Speaker 131: the zoning process. So the

01:27:25 Speaker 131: bottom left is a picture of

01:27:28 Speaker 131: the inside of the hall structure.

01:27:30 Speaker 131: So it is. fully enclosed, but

01:27:34 Speaker 131: there are sliding doors that go

01:27:35 Speaker 131: up and down to offer guests

01:27:38 Speaker 131: the opportunity to access the outside

01:27:40 Speaker 131: space. Those would be closed at

01:27:40 Speaker 131: a certain time in the evening

01:27:42 Speaker 131: to make sure that all noise

01:27:45 Speaker 131: is contained within the structure. On

01:27:46 Speaker 131: the left side, there they they

01:27:50 Speaker 131: are proposing a a small outdoor

01:27:52 Speaker 138: ceremony area within the forested area,

01:27:55 Speaker 131: and there's just some pictures of

01:27:58 Speaker 131: the parking area. So, if we

01:27:59 Speaker 131: go back to basics of under

01:28:01 Speaker 131: the Planning Act, you know, of

01:28:05 Speaker 131: course we look at all of

01:28:07 Speaker 131: these areas of public interest or

01:28:08 Speaker 131: provincial interest, I should say. But

01:28:10 Speaker 131: I've highlighted a few that I

01:28:12 Speaker 131: think are most important to speak

01:28:13 Speaker 131: to today. So, the protection of

01:28:15 Speaker 131: ecological systems, including natural areas, features,

01:28:16 Speaker 131: and functions, as noted, there's a

01:28:19 Speaker 131: lot of natural heritage on and

01:28:20 Speaker 131: around this property, and so this

01:28:23 Speaker 131: was a core concern for

01:28:25 Speaker 131: us. We did request that environment.

01:28:27 Speaker 131: We did request that environmental impact

01:28:29 Speaker 131: study from the beginning. Part of

01:28:31 Speaker 131: the review for that was was

01:28:34 Speaker 131: making sure noise impacts were were

01:28:37 Speaker 131: reviewed as as part of that

01:28:38 Speaker 131: study as well, and potential impacts

01:28:39 Speaker 131: on on on on wildlife habitat

01:28:42 Speaker 131: as well. So we you know

01:28:44 Speaker 131: we've got our human neighbours, but

01:28:46 Speaker 131: we've also got our our our

01:28:48 Speaker 131: animal neighbours, and and that's that's

01:28:50 Speaker 131: part of something we need to

01:28:52 Speaker 131: consider as planners. H point one

01:28:55 Speaker 131: I was the adequate provision and

01:28:56 Speaker 131: distribution of educational health. social, cultural,

01:28:58 Speaker 131: cultural, and recreational facilities. So I

01:29:00 Speaker 131: think you know the Planning Act

01:29:02 Speaker 131: really recognizes we we do need

01:29:04 Speaker 131: these spaces for our cultural celebrations

01:29:05 Speaker 131: and and you know that's important.

01:29:07 Speaker 131: And I'm sure there's a moment

01:29:09 Speaker 131: in everyone's lives where you've wanted

01:29:11 Speaker 131: or or needed to go to

01:29:12 Speaker 131: a facility of this type of

01:29:14 Speaker 131: nature. And so there's always a

01:29:16 Speaker 131: question of where do we put

01:29:18 Speaker 131: these and what's the best opportunity

01:29:19 Speaker 131: for them. K is the adequate

01:29:22 Speaker 131: provision of employment opportunities and. you

01:29:23 Speaker 131: know, it's not like we're creating

01:29:26 Speaker 131: twenty full-time opportunities for work here,

01:29:29 Speaker 131: but there are a lot of

01:29:32 Speaker 131: knock-on opportunities for small-scale entrepreneurs involved

01:29:34 Speaker 131: in the event industry, whether it's

01:29:35 Speaker 131: caterers or musicians or event planners.

01:29:37 Speaker 131: Those are all part of our

01:29:39 Speaker 131: rural economy and needs to be

01:29:41 Speaker 131: considered here as well. And finally,

01:29:44 Speaker 131: just the appropriate location of growth

01:29:45 Speaker 131: and development. I think this is

01:29:47 Speaker 131: the core consideration here: is is

01:29:49 Speaker 131: is this a good

01:29:52 Speaker 131: place for this type of development?

01:29:55 Speaker 131: and you know, I rack my

01:29:57 Speaker 131: mind, asking myself, where is the

01:29:58 Speaker 131: best location for this type of

01:30:01 Speaker 131: development? You know, if we put

01:30:03 Speaker 131: it in our settlement area, we're

01:30:06 Speaker 131: going to get lots of neighbours

01:30:08 Speaker 131: that are upset about that. If

01:30:10 Speaker 139: we put it in our agricultural

01:30:14 Speaker 140: areas, it's taking away from our

01:30:17 Speaker 140: agricultural land. If we put in

01:30:19 Speaker 140: our rural areas, you know, it's

01:30:22 Speaker 140: it's not great from a natural

01:30:24 Speaker 140: heritage perspective. If we put in

01:30:26 Speaker 140: our industrial areas, no one really

01:30:29 Speaker 140: wants to celebrate there. So you

01:30:32 Speaker 140: know, there's not all. So you

01:30:33 Speaker 140: know, there's not always a great

01:30:35 Speaker 140: a great answer to this, and

01:30:37 Speaker 140: it's something that we we really

01:30:38 Speaker 140: worked through on this file.

01:30:40 Speaker 140: So under the provincial planning statement,

01:30:43 Speaker 140: the PPS supports resource-based recreational uses

01:30:45 Speaker 131: in rural areas. Again, staff felt

01:30:48 Speaker 131: that this wasn't quite a good

01:30:50 Speaker 131: fit for this particular land use,

01:30:53 Speaker 131: and so we looked more at

01:30:56 Speaker 131: other rural land uses as a

01:30:58 Speaker 131: category that we were investigating. So

01:31:00 Speaker 131: you know, as part of under

01:31:01 Speaker 131: the PPS, we are required to

01:31:03 Speaker 131: evaluate the impacts. on agricultural operations,

01:31:05 Speaker 131: natural heritage, servicing considerations, traffic impacts,

01:31:08 Speaker 131: and you know this is not

01:31:11 Speaker 131: an agricultural area. There's really no

01:31:13 Speaker 131: prime ag lands around here. There's

01:31:15 Speaker 131: there's there's few or no agricultural

01:31:16 Speaker 131: operations because it really is more

01:31:20 Speaker 131: of a a rural forested area.

01:31:22 Speaker 131: And you know those those other

01:31:24 Speaker 131: aspects have have certainly been investigated

01:31:26 Speaker 131: throughout this process as well. And

01:31:28 Speaker 141: under the Gray County Official Plan.

01:31:30 Speaker 131: So at the time OPA 22

01:31:34 Speaker 131: was submitted, again there weren't a

01:31:35 Speaker 131: lot of policies kind of in

01:31:39 Speaker 131: place that that had a natural

01:31:41 Speaker 131: way of of framing this event

01:31:43 Speaker 131: use or under the county's official

01:31:47 Speaker 131: plan. Again, we didn't feel it

01:31:49 Speaker 131: was a great fit under the

01:31:50 Speaker 131: resource-based recreational use policies. So we

01:31:52 Speaker 131: largely did rely on a lot

01:31:55 Speaker 131: of those overarching policies from the

01:31:58 Speaker 131: provincial planning statement to to kind

01:32:00 Speaker 131: of frame how or why this.

01:32:02 Speaker 131: should be used here. I did.

01:32:06 Speaker 131: I will note that in May

01:32:08 Speaker 131: 2025, County Council did approve OPA

01:32:10 Speaker 131: 23, which would permit a small-scale

01:32:15 Speaker 131: special event venue up to 0.8

01:32:18 Speaker 131: hectares on a property of this

01:32:20 Speaker 131: size without the need for a

01:32:22 Speaker 131: county OPA. The zoning bylaw amendment

01:32:24 Speaker 131: and probably site plan application would

01:32:27 Speaker 131: still be required. The current proposal

01:32:29 Speaker 131: is slightly larger, being 1.05 hectares,

01:32:31 Speaker 131: and must be justified based on

01:32:33 Speaker 131: the county. official plan policies in

01:32:37 Speaker 131: effect at the time of submission,

01:32:39 Speaker 131: which was in 2024, so we're

01:32:40 Speaker 131: not judging this application based on

01:32:44 Speaker 131: our current policies. But I do

01:32:46 Speaker 131: think it's worth noting, you know,

01:32:47 Speaker 131: that we have made a collective

01:32:50 Speaker 131: decision that we're in favour of

01:32:52 Speaker 131: locating smaller event venues somewhere, and

01:32:54 Speaker 131: so I just wanted to point

01:32:56 Speaker 131: that out for for council's reference.

01:32:59 Speaker 131: So in terms of comments received,

01:33:01 Speaker 131: so I had. I went through

01:33:02 Speaker 131: everything again yesterday and tried to

01:33:06 Speaker 131: figure out just the whole chain

01:33:08 Speaker 131: of events in terms of comments

01:33:10 Speaker 131: that have received so so far

01:33:11 Speaker 131: we've received about 21 comments from

01:33:13 Speaker 131: or sorry comments from 21 households

01:33:16 Speaker 131: that oppose or raise concerns about

01:33:17 Speaker 131: the proposed development most of these

01:33:19 Speaker 131: are neighbours on surrounding lands occasionally

01:33:21 Speaker 131: you know two members from one

01:33:24 Speaker 131: household will have provided comments through

01:33:26 Speaker 131: separate comment letters. We've also received

01:33:28 Speaker 131: twelve comments in support of the

01:33:32 Speaker 131: proposed development. Seven of those being

01:33:34 Speaker 131: from local businesses, four from friends

01:33:37 Speaker 131: or supporters of the applicant, and

01:33:39 Speaker 131: one from a community organisation. We

01:33:41 Speaker 131: did have one more neutral comment

01:33:43 Speaker 131: asking questions only, as well as

01:33:44 Speaker 131: two agency comments being Ray Sable

01:33:47 Speaker 131: and Bridge Gas. The key concern

01:33:49 Speaker 131: that we've heard over and over

01:33:51 Speaker 131: in virtual Heard over and over

01:33:52 Speaker 131: in virtually all the comments we

01:33:55 Speaker 131: received were with regard to noise.

01:33:57 Speaker 131: People were concerned about the impact

01:34:00 Speaker 131: of noise on their quality of

01:34:02 Speaker 131: life, impact of noise on wildlife

01:34:03 Speaker 131: habitat. They had questions and concerns

01:34:06 Speaker 131: about exemptions to the noise bylaw,

01:34:08 Speaker 131: which is being considered under the

01:34:10 Speaker 131: zoning bylaw for Great Highlands. The

01:34:12 Speaker 131: late hours and frequency of noisy

01:34:15 Speaker 131: events, and concerns just about who

01:34:18 Speaker 131: will be monitoring the noise and

01:34:20 Speaker 131: how. Staff certainly recognize. these are

01:34:22 Speaker 131: very valid questions and concerns, and

01:34:24 Speaker 131: certainly, if I were a neighbour

01:34:25 Speaker 131: living beside this event venue, I

01:34:28 Speaker 131: would have these same questions and

01:34:29 Speaker 131: concerns. So, in response to that,

01:34:34 Speaker 131: of course, we did request that

01:34:35 Speaker 131: noise assessment be done from the

01:34:37 Speaker 131: very beginning. We did also undertake

01:34:39 Speaker 131: a third-party peer review process of

01:34:40 Speaker 131: that noise assessment. The peer review

01:34:41 Speaker 131: process did make some recommendations, which

01:34:43 Speaker 131: have been implemented by the applicants

01:34:45 Speaker 131: through a revised submission. but some

01:34:47 Speaker 131: of the mitigation member measures that

01:34:50 Speaker 131: will be taken include limiting larger

01:34:52 Speaker 131: events up to twelve times per

01:34:55 Speaker 131: year, which again is would be

01:34:59 Speaker 131: within the zoning bylaw, maintaining all

01:35:03 Speaker 131: amplified noise within the hall structure,

01:35:04 Speaker 131: which you know is a permanent

01:35:07 Speaker 131: structure. We're not talking a tent

01:35:09 Speaker 131: or anything like that. Noise levels

01:35:11 Speaker 131: would be actively monitored at all

01:35:15 Speaker 131: times using a decibel monitor on

01:35:17 Speaker 131: site. The owners or their delegates

01:35:20 Speaker 131: would be on site during all

01:35:21 Speaker 131: events, making sure that noise is

01:35:23 Speaker 131: monitored. The special the special event

01:35:26 Speaker 131: area is located in a central

01:35:29 Speaker 131: portion of the property, away from

01:35:30 Speaker 131: neighbouring residences to the west. The

01:35:31 Speaker 131: EIS again, through an addendum, evaluated

01:35:34 Speaker 131: noise impacts on wildlife, and there

01:35:37 Speaker 131: is still the opportunity to look

01:35:40 Speaker 131: at additional buffering that could be

01:35:41 Speaker 131: explored through a future site plan

01:35:45 Speaker 131: application, if that's something that we

01:35:48 Speaker 131: could consider in relation to those

01:35:49 Speaker 131: neighbours to the west. Another concern

01:35:51 Speaker 131: was just about kind of the

01:35:52 Speaker 131: concept of the event use itself.

01:35:54 Speaker 131: So again, whether or not this

01:35:57 Speaker 131: is a good space for an

01:35:59 Speaker 131: event venue, whether it meets the

01:36:02 Speaker 131: character of the area and the

01:36:04 Speaker 131: criteria for a resource-based recreational use,

01:36:08 Speaker 131: there were concerns about scaling up

01:36:11 Speaker 131: in future. So you know, staff

01:36:13 Speaker 131: in general, where we get requests

01:36:16 Speaker 131: a lot for event venue types

01:36:19 Speaker 131: of facilities or or glamping types

01:36:21 Speaker 131: of venues, people like to. experience

01:36:22 Speaker 131: our natural environment, and in Gray

01:36:25 Speaker 131: County, we're very lucky to have

01:36:27 Speaker 131: the natural environment at our fingertips,

01:36:29 Speaker 131: which not everyone has. And so,

01:36:32 Speaker 131: this is a destination area. Again,

01:36:34 Speaker 131: noting this property does already have

01:36:37 Speaker 131: zoning permissions in place for

01:36:41 Speaker 131: a health spa. There is a

01:36:43 Speaker 131: need, of course, to balance the

01:36:46 Speaker 131: financial viability of a potential business,

01:36:48 Speaker 131: you know, versus impacts to neighbours.

01:36:50 Speaker 131: So, you know, we need to

01:36:53 Speaker 131: think. if we are limiting the

01:36:55 Speaker 131: number of events per year, what

01:36:57 Speaker 131: is that number that triggers that

01:37:00 Speaker 131: you know viability of the business

01:37:02 Speaker 131: versus this is not a number

01:37:03 Speaker 131: that the business is actually sustainable

01:37:06 Speaker 131: at. The existing hall, dwelling, and

01:37:09 Speaker 131: structures would all be located back

01:37:12 Speaker 131: from the road, so they did

01:37:14 Speaker 131: not visually detract from the rural

01:37:16 Speaker 131: nature of the area, kind of

01:37:17 Speaker 131: from an aesthetics perspective. And again,

01:37:22 Speaker 131: the OPA Schedule A has really

01:37:24 Speaker 131: been limited. PA Schedule A has

01:37:26 Speaker 131: really been limited in scale and

01:37:28 Speaker 131: scope to to situate that event

01:37:29 Speaker 131: venue area in the middle portion

01:37:32 Speaker 131: of the property only. With regards

01:37:35 Speaker 131: to site layout, there were concerns

01:37:37 Speaker 131: about the potential for trespassing of

01:37:39 Speaker 131: guests using the trail systems, concerns

01:37:41 Speaker 131: about existing structures built too close

01:37:43 Speaker 131: to property boundaries, and concerns that

01:37:46 Speaker 131: the camping area would be located

01:37:46 Speaker 131: too close to neighbouring properties. So

01:37:49 Speaker 131: again, a site plan application would

01:37:51 Speaker 131: follow approval of the OPA and

01:37:53 Speaker 131: ZBA, and many of these concerns,

01:37:56 Speaker 131: particularly around where guests can and

01:37:59 Speaker 131: cannot go, can can be likely

01:38:01 Speaker 131: addressed through signage, setbacks, buffering, fencing.

01:38:02 Speaker 131: So I think you know there

01:38:04 Speaker 131: are things that that we can

01:38:07 Speaker 131: do to to sign to regulate

01:38:10 Speaker 131: some of that guest behaviour. The

01:38:13 Speaker 131: applicants have not requested at this

01:38:17 Speaker 131: stage any sort of departure from

01:38:20 Speaker 131: the. established zoning setbacks. So I

01:38:23 Speaker 131: believe the established zoning setback is

01:38:25 Speaker 131: 15 metres. So any structures would

01:38:27 Speaker 142: need to be located at least

01:38:31 Speaker 142: 15 metres from that neighbouring property

01:38:33 Speaker 142: line. If there are any existing

01:38:34 Speaker 131: tent structures that are located closer

01:38:37 Speaker 131: to that that were constructed without

01:38:39 Speaker 131: permits, those would need to be

01:38:41 Speaker 131: removed. And and they, my understanding

01:38:43 Speaker 131: is they will be removed. With

01:38:47 Speaker 131: regards to site servicing, so. there

01:38:48 Speaker 131: were questions, concerns about the existing

01:38:51 Speaker 131: capacity of the septic system on

01:38:54 Speaker 131: site. They were quite old, from

01:38:56 Speaker 131: the 60s or 70s. There was

01:38:58 Speaker 131: concerns about impact to Lake Lake

01:39:00 Speaker 131: Eugenia waters. There were concerns about

01:39:03 Speaker 131: the portable toilets being used for

01:39:04 Speaker 131: three years. Questions of waste collection,

01:39:06 Speaker 131: and and just the combined servicing

01:39:08 Speaker 131: impact of the glamping site across

01:39:13 Speaker 131: the road. So again, I think

01:39:15 Speaker 131: these are all very valid concerns,

01:39:17 Speaker 131: and staff raised some of the

01:39:21 Speaker 131: same questions. The servicing study does.

01:39:23 Speaker 131: confirm that all existing septic systems

01:39:26 Speaker 131: on site are over capacity at

01:39:27 Speaker 131: the moment, and that this a

01:39:30 Speaker 131: centralized septic system should really be

01:39:33 Speaker 131: used and put in place. And

01:39:35 Speaker 131: that's what the servicing study has

01:39:38 Speaker 131: recommended. The applicants, acknowledging you know

01:39:40 Speaker 131: the expense expenses of putting together

01:39:42 Speaker 131: a business of this nature, have

01:39:45 Speaker 131: requested a deferral of the requirement

01:39:46 Speaker 131: for establishing that larger septic. system

01:39:48 Speaker 131: for a period of three years,

01:39:49 Speaker 131: and during that interim period, they

01:39:53 Speaker 131: would use portable toilet facilities. Staff

01:39:55 Speaker 131: have had a lot of conversations

01:39:57 Speaker 131: about this and whether or not

01:40:00 Speaker 131: this is the correct approach or

01:40:02 Speaker 131: not. The applicants have suggested

01:40:05 Speaker 131: that they would enter into a

01:40:08 Speaker 131: servicing agreement through a site plan

01:40:11 Speaker 131: agreement approach. They would also offer

01:40:13 Speaker 131: securities to the municipality to ensure,

01:40:15 Speaker 131: after a period of three years,

01:40:17 Speaker 131: that Sure, after a period of

01:40:19 Speaker 131: three years, that this this septic

01:40:22 Speaker 131: system could be constructed, and so

01:40:24 Speaker 131: ultimately, although it's not kind of

01:40:27 Speaker 131: the run of the mill servicing

01:40:30 Speaker 131: solution, staff do feel that we

01:40:32 Speaker 131: could support this approach, provided that

01:40:33 Speaker 131: the framing within that site plan

01:40:36 Speaker 131: agreement is in place to ensure

01:40:39 Speaker 131: that septic system is built within

01:40:41 Speaker 131: that three year time. Again, with

01:40:45 Speaker 131: regards to traffic, individuals had a

01:40:49 Speaker 131: number of questions and concerns around

01:40:51 Speaker 131: traffic on. concession B. It is

01:40:53 Speaker 131: a paved municipal road. It has

01:40:55 Speaker 131: good sightlines. Grey Highlands staff did

01:40:58 Speaker 131: not see the need for a

01:41:00 Speaker 131: traffic impact study here, given the

01:41:02 Speaker 131: volume of of cars. Again, there

01:41:06 Speaker 131: are only forty one parking spaces

01:41:08 Speaker 131: on the site, so we don't

01:41:10 Speaker 131: perceive this as being a generation,

01:41:12 Speaker 131: direct generating a large volume of

01:41:13 Speaker 131: traffic. As noted, there are some

01:41:17 Speaker 131: nearby accommodations where guests may be

01:41:20 Speaker 131: able to use. just to minimize

01:41:22 Speaker 131: the amount of traffic that would

01:41:24 Speaker 131: be coming to the site. With

01:41:26 Speaker 131: regards to impact to nature, again,

01:41:29 Speaker 131: I did talk quite a bit

01:41:30 Speaker 131: about this already, but guests or

01:41:34 Speaker 131: individuals were concerned about impact to

01:41:36 Speaker 143: our wooded areas, wetlands, wildlife habitat,

01:41:39 Speaker 143: water contamination, guest behaviour related to

01:41:40 Speaker 143: the natural environment, the potential for

01:41:41 Speaker 143: accidental fires. So again, the EIS

01:41:43 Speaker 131: has been undertaken a whole. Undertaken,

01:41:45 Speaker 131: holding provision does remain in effect

01:41:48 Speaker 131: for most of the property, so

01:41:50 Speaker 131: that no further development would be

01:41:52 Speaker 131: permitted without further amendments to that

01:41:54 Speaker 131: environmental impact study. The EIS has

01:41:57 Speaker 131: been reviewed by our ecology staff.

01:41:59 Speaker 131: Fires will only be permitted within

01:42:01 Speaker 131: designated areas, and the owners have

01:42:02 Speaker 131: developed an event policy manual outlining

01:42:05 Speaker 131: rules and expectations for guests. Which

01:42:08 Speaker 131: again, some of those elements can

01:42:10 Speaker 131: be implemented through a site plan

01:42:11 Speaker 131: agreement. and some just general comments.

01:42:14 Speaker 131: Again, mostly related to kind of

01:42:16 Speaker 131: previous bylaw infractions on the site

01:42:19 Speaker 131: and whether these individuals should be

01:42:22 Speaker 131: given another chance. So, as noted

01:42:26 Speaker 131: at the beginning, staff are really

01:42:29 Speaker 131: treating this as a new application.

01:42:30 Speaker 131: Any structures that were built prior

01:42:32 Speaker 131: to approval without a building permit

01:42:34 Speaker 131: will be required to get retroactive

01:42:36 Speaker 131: building permits. Some of those structures

01:42:37 Speaker 131: are likely going to need to

01:42:39 Speaker 131: be relocated to conform to zoning

01:42:43 Speaker 131: bylaw requirements. So again, you know,

01:42:46 Speaker 131: I think certainly the applicants have

01:42:49 Speaker 131: have had a change of course

01:42:52 Speaker 131: throughout the the process of of

01:42:53 Speaker 131: putting together this application. But there

01:42:54 Speaker 131: is the expectation that all of

01:42:57 Speaker 131: those things would need to conform

01:43:00 Speaker 131: and and and and yes. So

01:43:03 Speaker 131: that's that's sort of how we've

01:43:05 Speaker 131: been dealing with that. Okay. And

01:43:08 Speaker 131: so we did get some supportive.

01:43:12 Speaker 131: comments as well, and I'll go

01:43:14 Speaker 131: through these quite quickly. But from

01:43:15 Speaker 131: an economic development perspective, we did

01:43:18 Speaker 131: hear from from local businesses looking

01:43:20 Speaker 144: for partnership opportunities with the event

01:43:23 Speaker 145: venue, suggesting you know there is

01:43:26 Speaker 145: a demand for eco retreats within

01:43:30 Speaker 145: the area, especially event venues

01:43:32 Speaker 145: that offer that offer both the

01:43:34 Speaker 145: guest accommodation and the event function

01:43:36 Speaker 145: space as well. So there was

01:43:39 Speaker 145: some general support there. From the

01:43:41 Speaker 145: natural environment, people felt it was

01:43:43 Speaker 145: a balanced approach. to kind of

01:43:45 Speaker 145: having the event venue within a

01:43:48 Speaker 145: limited area and and allowing guests

01:43:50 Speaker 145: to to use existing pathways throughout

01:43:53 Speaker 145: the forested areas to to be

01:43:55 Speaker 145: able to immerse themselves in nature

01:43:56 Speaker 145: as well. Just some general comments.

01:43:59 Speaker 145: One of the applicant, you know,

01:44:01 Speaker 145: does have some chronic health issues

01:44:04 Speaker 145: that she's been dealing with herself.

01:44:05 Speaker 145: So there was some suggestions from

01:44:06 Speaker 145: the app or from members of

01:44:09 Speaker 145: the public that she would be

01:44:12 Speaker 145: a good representative. here and would

01:44:14 Speaker 145: be able to to do to

01:44:16 Speaker 145: to make people feel comfortable in

01:44:18 Speaker 145: this type of environment. With regards

01:44:20 Speaker 145: to agency comments, no significant

01:44:23 Speaker 145: concerns from Gray Sauble, noting nothing

01:44:26 Speaker 145: should be located within the hazard

01:44:28 Speaker 145: lands, and permits will be required

01:44:30 Speaker 145: within the regulated area. And Bridge

01:44:32 Speaker 145: Gas had no concerns. As noted,

01:44:34 Speaker 145: the municipality of Gray Highlands planner

01:44:36 Speaker 145: recommended support for the county OPA.

01:44:37 Speaker 145: Report for the County OPA, but

01:44:39 Speaker 145: during their June 18, 2025, Council

01:44:41 Speaker 145: meeting, the motion to support the

01:44:44 Speaker 145: OPA 22 based on the staff

01:44:47 Speaker 145: recommendation resulted in a lost vote

01:44:49 Speaker 145: by Council. There, no further resolution

01:44:54 Speaker 145: or motion was passed at that

01:44:57 Speaker 145: stage. So, just in summary, what

01:44:59 Speaker 146: we heard and the impact to

01:45:04 Speaker 146: the application. So, overall, during our

01:45:06 Speaker 147: pre-consultation discussions, as Christine noted, they

01:45:09 Speaker 147: had originally wanted. to have 150

01:45:10 Speaker 93: guests at any time. This has

01:45:13 Speaker 93: changed to 95 guests up to

01:45:17 Speaker 93: 12 times per year, or 50

01:45:19 Speaker 93: at any time. Again, the hours

01:45:20 Speaker 93: of operation were originally any time

01:45:22 Speaker 93: until midnight. This has been reduced

01:45:23 Speaker 93: to 11:30 on weekends and 11:00

01:45:25 Speaker 93: p.m. on weekdays. The OPA area

01:45:26 Speaker 93: has been adjusted from over two

01:45:28 Speaker 93: hectares to 1.05 hectares to prevent

01:45:29 Speaker 93: scaling up in the future without

01:45:32 Speaker 93: a further county official plan amendment.

01:45:34 Speaker 93: The historic hangar will not be

01:45:36 Speaker 93: used for events and has been

01:45:38 Speaker 93: excluded from the special event venue

01:45:40 Speaker 148: area. Meaning, all amplified noise will

01:45:42 Speaker 149: be located within the hall structure.

01:45:45 Speaker 149: The applicants will undertake a servicing

01:45:48 Speaker 149: agreement and an operational agreement, which

01:45:49 Speaker 150: will include noise monitoring through a

01:45:53 Speaker 149: future site plan approval process. All

01:45:55 Speaker 149: non-complying structures will be removed or

01:45:57 Speaker 149: relocated. All existing and new structures

01:46:01 Speaker 149: shall conform to the zoning bylaw

01:46:04 Speaker 149: setbacks and Ontario Building Code. and

01:46:07 Speaker 149: again, noise monitoring will occur at

01:46:10 Speaker 149: all events. The owners or their

01:46:12 Speaker 151: constituents will be on site at

01:46:16 Speaker 151: all times, and have created an

01:46:20 Speaker 151: event rules document to be enforced

01:46:22 Speaker 152: for all guests under contract through

01:46:25 Speaker 152: the guests. So, with that in

01:46:26 Speaker 152: mind, we do recommend that this

01:46:29 Speaker 152: report be received, and that council

01:46:31 Speaker 152: support the staff recommendation and direct

01:46:34 Speaker 152: staff to prepare a bylaw for

01:46:35 Speaker 152: approval by County Council. Thank you.

01:46:37 Speaker 152: Okay, thank you very much, Miss

01:46:39 Speaker 152: Hillier. So that allows us to

01:46:41 Speaker 152: put it out to committee, the

01:46:44 Speaker 152: whole members for questions and comments.

01:46:45 Speaker 152: And I guess, I, I guess

01:46:48 Speaker 152: perhaps, Madam Clerk, if we clear

01:46:49 Speaker 152: the screen so we can see

01:46:51 Speaker 152: who's virtual as well. But perhaps

01:46:52 Speaker 152: if there is a specific item

01:46:54 Speaker 152: that somebody has a question to,

01:46:58 Speaker 152: we might need to call your

01:46:59 Speaker 152: presentation material back up again. Okay.

01:47:00 Speaker 152: so with that, I'm going to

01:47:02 Speaker 152: look. I'm going to begin with

01:47:03 Speaker 152: Councillor Greg. Thank you, and I'd

01:47:05 Speaker 153: like to ask two questions before

01:47:08 Speaker 153: speaking to the item again in

01:47:10 Speaker 153: the future. But two specific questions,

01:47:12 Speaker 153: if I could have answered, please.

01:47:13 Speaker 153: One of the deputations spoke to

01:47:15 Speaker 154: the noise study being simulated rather

01:47:18 Speaker 154: than technical. I'm wondering if if

01:47:20 Speaker 154: staff can address this that comment

01:47:22 Speaker 154: from a presenter as well. What

01:47:24 Speaker 154: is the penalty within the zone?

01:47:25 Speaker 154: Penalty within the zoning bylaw on

01:47:27 Speaker 154: violations. What is the the fine

01:47:29 Speaker 154: process, the amount, and how is

01:47:32 Speaker 154: it applied? And through which municipality

01:47:34 Speaker 154: does enforcement? I presume Grey Highlands,

01:47:37 Speaker 154: but the matter is before us

01:47:39 Speaker 154: in this report. Okay, so I'll

01:47:40 Speaker 155: put that question to staff. Yeah,

01:47:44 Speaker 155: thank you for those questions. With

01:47:45 Speaker 156: regards to the noise study, that's

01:47:49 Speaker 157: that. The noise study—that's that's a

01:47:55 Speaker 158: good question. So, I'm not—I'm not

01:47:59 Speaker 158: actually sure about that. I'm—I—I'm not

01:48:01 Speaker 158: a noise study expert, and which

01:48:03 Speaker 158: was the reason why we had

01:48:04 Speaker 131: it peer reviewed. To be honest,

01:48:07 Speaker 131: it was one of the cleaner

01:48:09 Speaker 131: peer reviews that I've ever seen.

01:48:12 Speaker 131: You know, it did recommend a

01:48:13 Speaker 131: few small changes or additions to

01:48:14 Speaker 131: some of the work that was

01:48:17 Speaker 131: done. But yeah, I—I'm not sure,

01:48:19 Speaker 131: and that it's a good question,

01:48:22 Speaker 131: but I would have to double

01:48:25 Speaker 131: check on that. Okay, and I

01:48:26 Speaker 131: do see. Director Taylor has raised

01:48:28 Speaker 131: his hand. Sorry, through you, Madam

01:48:30 Speaker 131: Warden, just to build on what

01:48:32 Speaker 131: Becky said. Most noise studies that

01:48:34 Speaker 131: we deal with, particularly for any

01:48:36 Speaker 131: kind of concert or event venue

01:48:39 Speaker 131: use, are almost always simulated, simply

01:48:40 Speaker 131: because they don't have permission to

01:48:42 Speaker 131: be operating the events just yet.

01:48:44 Speaker 131: When we're dealing with an industrial

01:48:46 Speaker 131: noise study where we know, you

01:48:47 Speaker 131: know, a widget making machine operates

01:48:50 Speaker 131: in thirty other facilities and generates

01:48:52 Speaker 131: X number of decibels, then they

01:48:54 Speaker 131: can deal. with exactly what that

01:48:56 Speaker 131: noise is. But when we're dealing

01:48:59 Speaker 131: with event facilities or concert venues

01:49:00 Speaker 131: of that nature, then it's almost

01:49:03 Speaker 131: always a simulated. But as Becky

01:49:04 Speaker 131: has noted, if approved, there's requirements

01:49:05 Speaker 131: for monitoring to ensure that what

01:49:07 Speaker 131: is actually occurring on site is

01:49:09 Speaker 131: is as per what the simulation

01:49:14 Speaker 131: was, so to speak. Okay. So,

01:49:16 Speaker 131: Councillor Gray, was there a follow

01:49:18 Speaker 131: up to that then, or afterward?

01:49:20 Speaker 131: Second question is good enough. Is

01:49:22 Speaker 131: good now, regarding the penalties. Okay,

01:49:23 Speaker 131: Cecilia. Yeah, thanks for that. So,

01:49:25 Speaker 131: yeah, I I don't want to

01:49:28 Speaker 131: speak on behalf of of Grey

01:49:29 Speaker 131: Highlands Noise Bylaw. So it is

01:49:32 Speaker 131: a Grey Highlands bylaw, and I'm

01:49:34 Speaker 131: assuming it would be their bylaw

01:49:36 Speaker 131: enforcement officers who would be enforcing

01:49:38 Speaker 131: that. I did have a look

01:49:41 Speaker 131: at it. I know that they

01:49:43 Speaker 131: do have a process for exemptions

01:49:44 Speaker 131: through the bylaw. Law, I believe

01:49:47 Speaker 131: it is kind of by event

01:49:49 Speaker 131: that that is formulated. So, because

01:49:51 Speaker 131: this is a event venue, I

01:49:53 Speaker 131: imagine that would be a fairly

01:49:54 Speaker 131: labourious process for every time there's

01:49:56 Speaker 131: an event to seek that exemption.

01:49:58 Speaker 131: Which I believe is why the

01:50:01 Speaker 131: applicants are looking to do that

01:50:02 Speaker 131: through a zoning bylaw approach. It

01:50:04 Speaker 159: is an unusual approach. It certainly

01:50:08 Speaker 159: was something that was discussed at

01:50:09 Speaker 159: Grey Highlands as whether that is

01:50:10 Speaker 159: an appropriate approach to do that,

01:50:11 Speaker 160: or whether that is again something

01:50:14 Speaker 160: that could be dealt with. more

01:50:16 Speaker 160: concretely through a site plan agreement,

01:50:16 Speaker 160: for example, that that spelled out

01:50:18 Speaker 160: those hours of operation. With regards

01:50:20 Speaker 160: to the fine, I believe there

01:50:21 Speaker 160: were some fines within the bylaw.

01:50:23 Speaker 161: I don't remember what they were

01:50:26 Speaker 161: offhand. I don't know if there's

01:50:30 Speaker 161: Grey Highlands staff who may be

01:50:32 Speaker 161: more familiar with that bylaw who

01:50:34 Speaker 161: want to speak to that. But

01:50:36 Speaker 161: yeah, that that is certainly something

01:50:37 Speaker 161: that would be a something for

01:50:38 Speaker 161: Grey Highlands to look at. as

01:50:40 Speaker 161: a next step through the zoning

01:50:40 Speaker 161: approval process of, you know, is

01:50:42 Speaker 31: does it make the most sense

01:50:45 Speaker 31: to have that within the zoning

01:50:47 Speaker 31: bylaw, or is there another means

01:50:49 Speaker 31: of of spelling that out? And,

01:50:50 Speaker 31: you know, I think for the

01:50:52 Speaker 31: applicant's benefit, putting the hours of

01:50:53 Speaker 31: operation, putting the exemption within the

01:50:55 Speaker 31: the zoning bylaw, I think it

01:50:56 Speaker 31: was a good approach for the

01:50:58 Speaker 31: purposes of of a transparent public

01:51:00 Speaker 31: discussion, because having that kind of

01:51:02 Speaker 31: within the zoning bylaw really sets

01:51:03 Speaker 31: the framework. for expectations for the

01:51:07 Speaker 31: public of what to expect. There,

01:51:08 Speaker 31: there is no public process for

01:51:10 Speaker 31: site plan agreements, for example. So,

01:51:13 Speaker 31: I think having that as part

01:51:15 Speaker 31: of the public record is helpful.

01:51:16 Speaker 31: But whether that is permanently situated

01:51:18 Speaker 31: within that zoning bylaw forevermore or

01:51:21 Speaker 31: not, I think is something that

01:51:22 Speaker 31: Grey Highlands will need to have

01:51:24 Speaker 31: a look at as the next

01:51:27 Speaker 31: step. Okay, we'll go on to

01:51:29 Speaker 31: other questions. We'll go to Councillor

01:51:31 Speaker 31: Nielsen, and then we'll go to

01:51:34 Speaker 31: Councillor Mackey after that. thank you

01:51:37 Speaker 31: very much, Gordon. I do have

01:51:38 Speaker 31: a couple of questions and a

01:51:41 Speaker 31: couple of comments. Um, for clarity,

01:51:43 Speaker 31: for County Council, the lost vote

01:51:45 Speaker 31: at Gray Highlands was a seven

01:51:49 Speaker 31: to zero vote in support of

01:51:51 Speaker 31: moving forward with the County OP.

01:51:53 Speaker 31: Um, a comment around the comments

01:51:55 Speaker 31: from Becky on the profitability of

01:51:56 Speaker 31: the of a proposal. I don't

01:51:57 Speaker 31: feel that it's like our place

01:51:59 Speaker 31: to make a decision based upon

01:52:01 Speaker 31: whether or not a business is

01:52:02 Speaker 31: profitable. It's really up to the

01:52:04 Speaker 131: business owner to decide on how

01:52:06 Speaker 131: to make their business profitable. and

01:52:08 Speaker 131: so making changes to a a

01:52:11 Speaker 131: property specifically so that they could

01:52:13 Speaker 131: be profitable, either be increasing the

01:52:17 Speaker 131: number of guests that can come

01:52:19 Speaker 131: or increasing number of events, really

01:52:22 Speaker 131: isn't something that should be considered

01:52:24 Speaker 131: with when we're talking about planning.

01:52:27 Speaker 131: Which, as I've been repeatedly bashed

01:52:29 Speaker 131: over the head, is land use

01:52:31 Speaker 131: only and not necessarily what the

01:52:33 Speaker 131: profitability of that land use. I

01:52:36 Speaker 131: do have a couple of questions.

01:52:37 Speaker 131: My first question is regarding OP

01:52:39 Speaker 131: amendment today. So today there were

01:52:40 Speaker 131: questions for county staff to approve.

01:52:47 Speaker 131: I'm sorry, county. Have to approve,

01:52:49 Speaker 131: or sorry, county council to approve,

01:52:50 Speaker 131: but the zoning bylaw that has

01:52:51 Speaker 162: the restrictions, that has the requirements,

01:52:53 Speaker 31: that has the temporary use on

01:52:56 Speaker 31: the on the septic. Once the

01:52:57 Speaker 31: OP is passed, that is a

01:52:59 Speaker 31: land use that's of nowability on

01:53:00 Speaker 31: that land and property and site

01:53:02 Speaker 31: specific. How does that process work?

01:53:03 Speaker 31: If Gray Highlands denies the zoning,

01:53:06 Speaker 31: but now the county has already

01:53:08 Speaker 31: officially plan changed the abilities of

01:53:12 Speaker 31: this property. How is there protections

01:53:13 Speaker 31: for the county? to rescind that

01:53:15 Speaker 31: official plan change if the zoning

01:53:16 Speaker 31: doesn't go through, or what is

01:53:17 Speaker 31: that process? Please, I have two

01:53:19 Speaker 31: other questions too. Yeah, thanks, thanks

01:53:20 Speaker 31: for that question. And yeah, that's

01:53:21 Speaker 31: certainly something that we've we've been

01:53:23 Speaker 31: asking ourselves as well. Of kind

01:53:25 Speaker 31: of what are the all the

01:53:27 Speaker 31: what ifs of based on a

01:53:29 Speaker 31: decision on this file of if

01:53:30 Speaker 31: the county were to approve and

01:53:31 Speaker 31: Great Highlands were to refuse? Sort

01:53:33 Speaker 31: of what are the potential implications

01:53:35 Speaker 31: of that? You know, of course

01:53:37 Speaker 31: there are appeal. rights for Gray

01:53:38 Speaker 31: Highlands for the applicants on whatever

01:53:39 Speaker 31: decision is made by either council.

01:53:41 Speaker 31: You know, certainly it would be

01:53:43 Speaker 31: the prerogative of Gray Highlands, even

01:53:44 Speaker 31: if County Council decides to approve

01:53:46 Speaker 31: the OPA, Gray Highlands could still

01:53:47 Speaker 31: choose to refuse the ZBA. It

01:53:50 Speaker 31: does kind of raise the question

01:53:53 Speaker 31: of, you know, from from a

01:53:55 Speaker 31: next step for the applicants, kind

01:53:56 Speaker 31: of what does that mean? Yeah.

01:53:57 Speaker 31: it certainly could get into appeal

01:53:59 Speaker 31: territory, but yeah, I don't want

01:54:01 Speaker 31: to speculate on that at this

01:54:02 Speaker 31: stage. Well, yeah, I'll maybe ask

01:54:03 Speaker 31: my next two questions quickly, so

01:54:05 Speaker 31: that way they could both be

01:54:07 Speaker 31: at the same time. Regarding the

01:54:08 Speaker 31: noise study, the hall event

01:54:09 Speaker 31: space itself has a retractable wall,

01:54:11 Speaker 31: right? Like the whole wall can

01:54:13 Speaker 31: open up. Was the noise study

01:54:14 Speaker 31: done with the wall closed, under

01:54:16 Speaker 31: the guidings that that's going to

01:54:19 Speaker 31: be how it operates, or with

01:54:20 Speaker 31: the wall open? to showcase the

01:54:21 Speaker 163: noise level coming out, the report

01:54:24 Speaker 31: itself and their own changes or

01:54:30 Speaker 31: comments speak to the idea

01:54:33 Speaker 31: that the wall will be open

01:54:35 Speaker 31: until such time as the noise

01:54:37 Speaker 31: bylaw kicks in at, like I

01:54:39 Speaker 31: think, 10 p.m. and when they're

01:54:41 Speaker 31: going to close the wall. So

01:54:44 Speaker 31: if we're looking at the impact

01:54:53 Speaker 164: to the environment and to nature

01:54:56 Speaker 165: and to the residents, you're saying

01:54:59 Speaker 165: that there's no wall there. Number

01:55:01 Speaker 165: two comment in terms of that

01:55:04 Speaker 165: is when we look at an

01:55:07 Speaker 165: event space in the middle of

01:55:09 Speaker 165: a city or an event space

01:55:11 Speaker 166: anywhere. else, the structure is pretty

01:55:13 Speaker 166: solid and built and constructed for

01:55:14 Speaker 165: to retain all the noise within

01:55:17 Speaker 165: that structure. If you go to

01:55:19 Speaker 165: an arena space in downtown Toronto,

01:55:20 Speaker 165: you stand outside, you're not hearing

01:55:21 Speaker 165: any of the noise from inside

01:55:24 Speaker 165: their building because the entire building

01:55:25 Speaker 165: is solid and sealed. This one

01:55:27 Speaker 165: has a retractable wall, and I

01:55:28 Speaker 165: just am curious as to the

01:55:30 Speaker 165: viability of that to actually retain

01:55:31 Speaker 165: the sounds. That's kind of why

01:55:33 Speaker 165: I'm looking at the health study

01:55:35 Speaker 165: there. And then the other question

01:55:37 Speaker 165: you've mentioned it, and I do

01:55:40 Speaker 165: appreciate the detail. to which you

01:55:43 Speaker 165: went into the report and your

01:55:44 Speaker 165: explanation to Ken and Council today,

01:55:46 Speaker 165: but when we look at like

01:55:48 Speaker 165: the it says in the report

01:55:50 Speaker 165: that the conservation authority doesn't have

01:55:52 Speaker 165: any questions or comment or any

01:55:54 Speaker 165: proposals against the proposal other than

01:55:57 Speaker 165: the idea of please move the

01:56:01 Speaker 165: things you've already built within the

01:56:03 Speaker 165: hazard lands. Like there's challenges to

01:56:04 Speaker 165: what's been done, and I realize

01:56:06 Speaker 165: we're looking at this as a

01:56:07 Speaker 165: new structure, but at what point

01:56:10 Speaker 165: do we consider the likelihood? of

01:56:13 Speaker 165: falling through with restrictions or implementations

01:56:16 Speaker 165: that get put in versus history

01:56:18 Speaker 167: of a proposal. So I guess

01:56:23 Speaker 167: my question is on the noise

01:56:24 Speaker 168: study itself: wall down or open,

01:56:30 Speaker 168: and then trying to understand new

01:56:32 Speaker 168: file versus history. Yeah. So if

01:56:34 Speaker 169: I recollect properly with the noise

01:56:38 Speaker 169: study, I believe. that they did

01:56:40 Speaker 169: look at both a closed and

01:56:41 Speaker 170: open scenario for those retractable doors,

01:56:45 Speaker 171: and yes, so they did. I

01:56:48 Speaker 171: think they're recommending that 10 p.m.

01:56:52 Speaker 171: is when all of the doors

01:56:56 Speaker 171: would be fully closed, which would

01:57:00 Speaker 171: then, of course, insulate the noise

01:57:03 Speaker 171: more fully. Again, you know that

01:57:05 Speaker 171: 10 p.m. is not part of

01:57:07 Speaker 171: the zoning at this stage. I

01:57:09 Speaker 171: think that's a number that we

01:57:12 Speaker 171: can still work with, if you

01:57:14 Speaker 171: know if we're looking for an

01:57:16 Speaker 171: earlier time for. example, you know,

01:57:19 Speaker 171: I think that's still a discussion

01:57:21 Speaker 171: that can be explored as an

01:57:23 Speaker 171: next step with the applicants, either

01:57:31 Speaker 171: through that zoning or or through

01:57:32 Speaker 171: that site plan application process. That's

01:57:34 Speaker 171: just the number that's been presented

01:57:36 Speaker 152: at this stage. With regards to

01:57:39 Speaker 152: that history, again, yeah, I think

01:57:40 Speaker 152: to your to your point about

01:57:43 Speaker 152: the conservation authority's comments, and just

01:57:44 Speaker 152: for everyone's benefit, I think that

01:57:46 Speaker 152: there was maybe one tent platform

01:57:48 Speaker 152: that the conservation authority had flagged

01:57:50 Speaker 152: was located within the hazard lands.

01:57:52 Speaker 152: and again, so any non-complying structures

01:57:55 Speaker 152: would be would be required to

01:57:56 Speaker 152: comply. So they would all need

01:57:59 Speaker 152: to be situated, of course, outside

01:58:00 Speaker 152: of the hazard lands, and and

01:58:02 Speaker 152: would have to conform to all

01:58:05 Speaker 152: the required setbacks and boundaries. And

01:58:06 Speaker 152: you know, luckily, a lot of

01:58:08 Speaker 152: what they have constructed are mostly

01:58:09 Speaker 152: just platforms at this stage, so

01:58:10 Speaker 152: they are fairly movable. Okay, thank

01:58:12 Speaker 152: you. We're going to go to

01:58:14 Speaker 152: Councillor Mackey next. Thank you, Warden.

01:58:16 Speaker 152: My questions, after all those questions

01:58:16 Speaker 152: from Councillor Nielsen, have been answered.

01:58:20 Speaker 152: Thank you. Okay, thank you. Are

01:58:23 Speaker 152: there any further questions then from

01:58:26 Speaker 152: any other members? I will go

01:58:30 Speaker 152: to Councillor Kenner. Thank you, and

01:58:32 Speaker 152: through you, Warden Matrasovsa. Two concerns

01:58:34 Speaker 152: here, and the first one has

01:58:37 Speaker 152: to do. with relief against the

01:58:38 Speaker 152: noise situation. It seems unusual that

01:58:40 Speaker 152: it is extended well past you

01:58:41 Speaker 152: know bedtime for a lot of

01:58:44 Speaker 152: people, and the other one has

01:58:45 Speaker 152: to do with an extension of

01:58:47 Speaker 152: relief from the the need for

01:58:49 Speaker 152: a septic system. And I just

01:58:51 Speaker 152: are we setting precedents here with

01:58:55 Speaker 152: these two situations, or are we

01:58:57 Speaker 152: are there other examples where we

01:59:01 Speaker 152: have provided this kind of relief

01:59:02 Speaker 152: to other other operators. Thank you.

01:59:03 Speaker 152: Yeah, so that again, that relief

01:59:07 Speaker 152: against the noise bylaw that that

01:59:09 Speaker 152: is personally a new one for

01:59:13 Speaker 152: me. Um, seeing that within a

01:59:15 Speaker 152: zoning bylaw. Um, and again, I

01:59:17 Speaker 152: you know I think it was

01:59:18 Speaker 152: um a good decision um by

01:59:21 Speaker 152: the applicant to include that in

01:59:23 Speaker 152: there because it's become part of

01:59:26 Speaker 152: that public discussion, and I I

01:59:27 Speaker 152: think that's. Discussion and I think

01:59:29 Speaker 152: that's important to have. Again, whether

01:59:32 Speaker 152: or not that lies within that

01:59:34 Speaker 152: zoning bylaw amendment or not, again,

01:59:37 Speaker 152: is I think the discretion of

01:59:38 Speaker 152: of Gray Highlands and and sort

01:59:40 Speaker 152: of how they're interpreting that that

01:59:42 Speaker 152: noise bylaw and and how those

01:59:43 Speaker 152: exemption processes can work internally for

01:59:45 Speaker 152: them. And so, yeah, I don't

01:59:53 Speaker 152: I don't necessarily want to speculate

01:59:55 Speaker 152: too much about that, not knowing

01:59:57 Speaker 172: kind of the full history of

02:00:02 Speaker 172: how that's been implemented in the

02:00:03 Speaker 173: past. There, with regards to septic

02:00:07 Speaker 128: system, and yes, I fully agree.

02:00:11 Speaker 128: It is a bit of an

02:00:12 Speaker 128: unusual system. A bit of an

02:00:12 Speaker 128: unusual situation. I know recently in

02:00:14 Speaker 128: Gray Highlands there was another accommodation

02:00:17 Speaker 128: facility right on Lake Eugenia that

02:00:19 Speaker 128: was proposing portable toilets, sort of

02:00:20 Speaker 128: indefinitely into the future as a

02:00:22 Speaker 128: sort of the the form of

02:00:23 Speaker 128: servicing for that proposal. And you

02:00:24 Speaker 128: know, I I I didn't love

02:00:27 Speaker 128: that approach. I didn't really feel

02:00:29 Speaker 128: that that met kind of the

02:00:33 Speaker 128: requirements of the PPS or the

02:00:35 Speaker 128: OP in terms of you know

02:00:37 Speaker 128: the types of services. You know

02:00:40 Speaker 128: the the types of servicing that

02:00:42 Speaker 128: would be permitted into the long

02:00:45 Speaker 128: term. For this one in particular,

02:00:47 Speaker 174: I think, provided that the frameworks

02:00:51 Speaker 174: are in place to ensure that

02:00:57 Speaker 174: they can get to that future

02:01:01 Speaker 174: system that is going to be

02:01:02 Speaker 174: viable and will be the best

02:01:05 Speaker 174: case scenario, it's something that I

02:01:07 Speaker 174: I I can support and and

02:01:09 Speaker 174: get behind. And especially acknowledging the

02:01:11 Speaker 174: servicing report has confirmed already, even

02:01:13 Speaker 175: with the existing. zoning in place

02:01:17 Speaker 175: for the health spa and the

02:01:20 Speaker 175: trailers on site, those existing septic

02:01:21 Speaker 176: systems are already above capacity. So,

02:01:25 Speaker 176: kind of knowing all of those

02:01:26 Speaker 177: things, you know, the servicing study

02:01:28 Speaker 178: really did stress, you know, we

02:01:31 Speaker 178: need to actually convert to the

02:01:32 Speaker 178: portable systems. These shouldn't really be

02:01:34 Speaker 178: used anymore. And so, just to

02:01:35 Speaker 178: give them time to to do

02:01:36 Speaker 59: that, because I do understand it

02:01:38 Speaker 59: is quite a big expense installing

02:01:39 Speaker 59: that. We did feel it was

02:01:42 Speaker 59: fair to allow. them three years

02:01:46 Speaker 59: to to be able to do

02:01:48 Speaker 59: that. Okay, so I see that

02:01:49 Speaker 59: concludes with Councillor Katner. I see

02:01:51 Speaker 59: Councillor Body and then Councillor McQueen.

02:01:53 Speaker 179: Councillor Body first. Um, thank you,

02:01:55 Speaker 179: Warden. First of all, want to

02:01:57 Speaker 179: thank Planning. Very detailed report, Becky.

02:01:59 Speaker 179: Thank you. Obviously, there has been

02:02:00 Speaker 179: a lot of hard work. and

02:02:02 Speaker 179: I wouldn't want to count the

02:02:04 Speaker 180: number of hours that have gone

02:02:06 Speaker 180: into this. And the easiest answer

02:02:08 Speaker 180: for planning is to say no.

02:02:09 Speaker 180: And you've clearly done everything you

02:02:10 Speaker 59: can to try and chip off

02:02:13 Speaker 59: the corners of a square block

02:02:14 Speaker 59: to try and get into a

02:02:16 Speaker 59: round hall. I think I'm probably

02:02:18 Speaker 59: consistent that I'm always complaining about

02:02:20 Speaker 59: urban development on rural services and

02:02:21 Speaker 59: that they need to be on

02:02:23 Speaker 59: urban services. This is much the

02:02:24 Speaker 59: same. The septic system, even when

02:02:25 Speaker 59: it's put in to have up

02:02:27 Speaker 59: to ninety-five people plus plus staff,

02:02:29 Speaker 59: is going to be one heck

02:02:31 Speaker 59: of a system. That's that's a

02:02:32 Speaker 59: rural septic system. Becky's indicated that

02:02:34 Speaker 59: you know we policy-wise probably be

02:02:35 Speaker 59: okay with that. From my point

02:02:38 Speaker 59: of view, to be consistent, I'm

02:02:39 Speaker 59: I'm not okay with that. That

02:02:41 Speaker 59: type of service and and Service

02:02:43 Speaker 59: in in a rural area, but

02:02:45 Speaker 59: thanks to staff, are really working

02:02:46 Speaker 181: hard to try and make this

02:02:49 Speaker 181: work. Okay, so next we go

02:02:51 Speaker 181: over to Councillor McQueen. Thank you,

02:02:54 Speaker 181: Madam Warden, and good words from

02:02:55 Speaker 181: Councillor Body. That staff has been

02:02:56 Speaker 181: a lot of work here for

02:02:58 Speaker 181: sure. A couple things, and I

02:02:59 Speaker 182: apologize for my street Google or

02:03:02 Speaker 182: whatever went off because I thought

02:03:04 Speaker 183: you turned on volume off and

02:03:08 Speaker 183: it doesn't work. But I was

02:03:09 Speaker 183: trying to figure out some kilometres

02:03:11 Speaker 183: and. part of that. I wanted

02:03:13 Speaker 183: to talk about the noise exemption

02:03:14 Speaker 183: first. Generally, at Green Highlands, we

02:03:15 Speaker 183: will we request for noise if

02:03:17 Speaker 183: it's a one-off event. A lot

02:03:18 Speaker 183: of times, if somebody's having an

02:03:20 Speaker 183: event at their property, or we

02:03:21 Speaker 183: just had one for the Markdale

02:03:22 Speaker 183: Agricultural Society for their fair. You

02:03:25 Speaker 183: know, a lot of those are

02:03:27 Speaker 183: sort of one-offs type of things

02:03:28 Speaker 183: that you know that we would

02:03:30 Speaker 183: consider. So, you know, I mean,

02:03:31 Speaker 183: I'm sure that's in a lot

02:03:32 Speaker 183: of people's playlists. but I think

02:03:34 Speaker 183: I you know, and I want

02:03:36 Speaker 59: to say also I you know

02:03:39 Speaker 59: I don't think we're a can't

02:03:41 Speaker 59: economic development you know a place

02:03:42 Speaker 59: for people to really to have

02:03:45 Speaker 59: a business to to make things

02:03:49 Speaker 59: happen to to have a venue

02:03:51 Speaker 59: to have accommodations because I know

02:03:53 Speaker 59: a big part and we're all

02:03:54 Speaker 59: part of of Gray County is

02:03:56 Speaker 59: word of people's state we don't

02:03:58 Speaker 59: have hotels we don't have a

02:04:00 Speaker 59: lot of stuff there's other venues

02:04:01 Speaker 59: for that and hey you know

02:04:03 Speaker 59: what getting married out in in

02:04:05 Speaker 59: the you know like I think

02:04:06 Speaker 59: Becky you you raised a good

02:04:07 Speaker 59: point. You raise a good point.

02:04:10 Speaker 59: You know, where's a good place

02:04:11 Speaker 59: to have an officiation of of

02:04:14 Speaker 59: your wedding? You know, people like

02:04:15 Speaker 59: that natural setting and that type

02:04:16 Speaker 59: of thing for sure. And and

02:04:18 Speaker 184: and that, but I think it

02:04:22 Speaker 185: comes back. It's about the bigger

02:04:28 Speaker 185: part, along with other. It's the

02:04:30 Speaker 185: noise, noise concerns is is what's

02:04:32 Speaker 185: been coming back more and more.

02:04:34 Speaker 186: You know, and I think we

02:04:37 Speaker 79: got to appreciate. I think it

02:04:41 Speaker 79: was made in the from the

02:04:44 Speaker 79: first lady that spoke about eight

02:04:45 Speaker 187: homes in in in the close

02:04:51 Speaker 187: proximity, which we know are in

02:04:52 Speaker 187: that area. and you know, you

02:04:54 Speaker 187: know, as I think Mr. Kentner

02:04:56 Speaker 187: said that you know we certain

02:04:58 Speaker 187: times at night we sort of

02:04:59 Speaker 188: want to shut things down and

02:05:01 Speaker 188: we don't want noise that long.

02:05:06 Speaker 188: So I was doing a little

02:05:07 Speaker 188: bit of a calculation, and I

02:05:08 Speaker 79: think it was mentioned that there

02:05:11 Speaker 79: are two wedding barns within the

02:05:18 Speaker 79: area, and wedding barns are probably

02:05:19 Speaker 79: on an agricultural area where there's

02:05:21 Speaker 131: bigger spaces. I mean, no doubt,

02:05:24 Speaker 131: and reason, good reason for that.

02:05:27 Speaker 131: And they they weren't a walk

02:05:30 Speaker 131: in a park either, both wedding

02:05:32 Speaker 131: barns. There was a lot of

02:05:34 Speaker 131: black. There was a lot of

02:05:37 Speaker 131: back and forth, but not a

02:05:38 Speaker 131: lot of time spent. But I

02:05:41 Speaker 131: was doing a calculation to the

02:05:42 Speaker 131: closest community centre, is the Osprey

02:05:44 Speaker 131: Community Centre, which is 14

02:05:46 Speaker 131: kilometres away. You know, and and

02:05:50 Speaker 131: I've said this before. You know,

02:05:54 Speaker 131: have the wedding, have your your

02:05:56 Speaker 189: your evening dinner, and then throughout,

02:06:02 Speaker 190: we all have in our municipalities,

02:06:05 Speaker 191: we have community centres to host

02:06:09 Speaker 191: those events and those fun times.

02:06:10 Speaker 191: Like we, a wedding is a

02:06:14 Speaker 191: celebration of life. It's a it's

02:06:16 Speaker 191: a fun thing. People. The fun

02:06:19 Speaker 191: thing, people, you know, you want

02:06:21 Speaker 191: to celebrate. Noise happens, and I

02:06:23 Speaker 192: don't think I don't think anybody

02:06:26 Speaker 192: here would argue against that, you

02:06:28 Speaker 193: know. And then, you know, if

02:06:32 Speaker 193: there's some alcohol involved, maybe the

02:06:34 Speaker 194: tunage gets a little higher too.

02:06:36 Speaker 194: So, I think it goes back

02:06:38 Speaker 194: to the extension, you know. I

02:06:42 Speaker 194: see it, and a lot of

02:06:45 Speaker 194: the biggest comments it goes into

02:06:47 Speaker 194: the extension into the evening. That

02:06:51 Speaker 194: is key issue here. Okay, thank

02:06:52 Speaker 194: you. And now we're. over to

02:06:55 Speaker 194: the deputy warden. Thank you, Madam

02:06:58 Speaker 194: Warden, and thank you, Becky, for

02:07:01 Speaker 194: the as Councillor Body mentioned a

02:07:05 Speaker 194: really good report. My question is

02:07:07 Speaker 194: related to what response, if any,

02:07:11 Speaker 194: did we get to the First

02:07:16 Speaker 194: Nations that we circulated this file

02:07:19 Speaker 194: to? Thank you. Yeah, thanks for

02:07:24 Speaker 194: that. We did certainly circulate to

02:07:26 Speaker 194: them. We also advise the applicant

02:07:29 Speaker 194: to reach out to them during

02:07:32 Speaker 194: the. pre-circulation stage, and to date,

02:07:35 Speaker 194: we haven't had any comments from

02:07:38 Speaker 194: from any of our First Nations

02:07:40 Speaker 194: partners on this one. Follow up.

02:07:43 Speaker 194: Just a quick follow up. Do

02:07:46 Speaker 194: we know whether the proponents actually

02:07:51 Speaker 194: engaged with the First Nations or

02:07:55 Speaker 194: or not? Please. Yeah, it's a

02:07:58 Speaker 194: good question. I'm actually not sure

02:08:01 Speaker 194: about that, and certainly since the

02:08:05 Speaker 194: time of of the pre-consultation for

02:08:07 Speaker 194: this one and. Consultation for this

02:08:09 Speaker 194: one, and even since the time

02:08:12 Speaker 194: it has been submitted, our ways

02:08:14 Speaker 194: of engaging and communicating with our

02:08:16 Speaker 194: First Nations partners has certainly evolved

02:08:19 Speaker 194: during during the past year and

02:08:22 Speaker 194: a half or so. So I'm

02:08:25 Speaker 194: not, I don't believe that they,

02:08:28 Speaker 194: or I'm actually not sure if

02:08:30 Speaker 194: they did engage with our First

02:08:35 Speaker 194: Nations partners during the pre-consultation stage.

02:08:37 Speaker 194: Certainly, they were circulated through the

02:09:30 Speaker 194: circulations, but no. I don't believe

02:09:32 Speaker 194: we had heard from them on

02:09:34 Speaker 194: this application. Final follow up, Deputy

02:09:36 Speaker 194: Warden. Thank you, Madam Warden. Just

02:09:38 Speaker 194: real quickly, I guess I would

02:09:42 Speaker 194: suggest that we should be making

02:09:43 Speaker 194: sure that the proponents do make

02:09:47 Speaker 195: contact with the First Nations. Just

02:09:52 Speaker 195: to assume they're going to leaves

02:09:54 Speaker 152: a little bit of room for

02:09:56 Speaker 152: a wiggle, so. Bit of room

02:09:59 Speaker 152: for wiggle. So anyway, thank you.

02:10:02 Speaker 152: Okay, we're going to go to

02:10:03 Speaker 152: Councillor Dobrin next, and then to

02:10:05 Speaker 152: Councillor Keaveny. Thank you, and through

02:10:07 Speaker 152: you, thank you, Becky. I too

02:10:10 Speaker 152: is going to ask about the

02:10:11 Speaker 152: First Nations because we had experience

02:10:12 Speaker 152: where we circulated, but it wasn't

02:10:14 Speaker 152: reaching anyone. So the lack of

02:10:16 Speaker 152: response or acknowledgement of an email,

02:10:18 Speaker 152: we shouldn't assume that. they received

02:10:19 Speaker 152: it and have no comment, because

02:10:22 Speaker 152: that has come back to be

02:10:24 Speaker 152: a problem. And certainly, archaeological studies

02:10:28 Speaker 152: are being asked for for severances.

02:10:31 Speaker 152: So this this might be another.

02:10:32 Speaker 152: But on the subject of my

02:10:35 Speaker 152: questions, Madam Warden, the temporary use,

02:10:37 Speaker 152: or sorry, the the deferral of

02:10:41 Speaker 152: the the septic for three years.

02:10:43 Speaker 152: would it be reasonable then to

02:10:45 Speaker 152: allow for a temporary use to

02:10:50 Speaker 196: monitor how what the impact on

02:10:54 Speaker 62: the community would be if this

02:10:59 Speaker 62: was approved? That is my first

02:11:03 Speaker 62: kind of concept. And are the

02:11:06 Speaker 62: portable toilets commercial toilets that would

02:11:08 Speaker 62: be you know circulated? I have

02:11:11 Speaker 62: personal experience of a quiet family

02:11:13 Speaker 62: trailer park. turned rural farm for

02:11:26 Speaker 62: hire, where groups and weddings come

02:11:27 Speaker 62: up to hootenoller and noise travels

02:11:28 Speaker 62: in rural Ontario. So, to the

02:11:29 Speaker 62: point of the more urban halls,

02:11:31 Speaker 62: they're more soundproofed. I have a

02:11:33 Speaker 62: con—I had a concern about the

02:11:35 Speaker 197: existing hall that was built without

02:11:38 Speaker 197: a permit. That it appears to

02:11:39 Speaker 197: be about three quarters glass. with

02:11:41 Speaker 197: a removable door to have music

02:11:44 Speaker 197: going all afternoon and evening, even

02:11:45 Speaker 197: up until ten, is fine if

02:11:47 Speaker 197: you like the music. But you

02:11:50 Speaker 197: know, music is not to everyone's

02:11:53 Speaker 197: taste, and again, the enforcement aspect

02:11:55 Speaker 197: of it. And I again, personal

02:11:57 Speaker 197: experience to people who don't understand.

02:12:00 Speaker 197: Round that is going to be,

02:12:02 Speaker 197: you know, a significant expense, and

02:12:04 Speaker 197: I and I understand that. But

02:12:06 Speaker 197: perhaps if they want to defer

02:12:07 Speaker 197: the requirement for septic, then perhaps.

02:12:09 Speaker 197: we could we could provide a

02:12:10 Speaker 197: temporary use to monitor the impact

02:12:12 Speaker 197: on the neighbours. Thank you so

02:12:14 Speaker 197: much for that question, Councillor Dobrin.

02:12:15 Speaker 197: And this was very much something

02:12:17 Speaker 197: that staff, county staff, and Grey

02:12:19 Speaker 197: Highlands staff had discussed, and which

02:12:21 Speaker 197: we also felt would be a

02:12:23 Speaker 197: really good route forward for this

02:12:25 Speaker 197: one is is looking at that

02:12:28 Speaker 197: temporary use bylaw for everyone's reference.

02:12:30 Speaker 197: Temporary. use bylaws can be put

02:12:31 Speaker 197: in place for a period of

02:12:33 Speaker 197: up to three years, which coincidentally

02:12:34 Speaker 197: is the time we're looking for

02:12:37 Speaker 197: to install that septic system. And

02:12:38 Speaker 197: and sort of given some of

02:12:40 Speaker 197: the concerns with previous bylaw infractions,

02:12:41 Speaker 197: we did feel that could be

02:12:43 Speaker 197: a fair route forward. The Grey

02:12:45 Speaker 197: Highlands planner actually within their recent

02:12:46 Speaker 197: staff report to Grey Highlands Council

02:12:48 Speaker 197: for June 18th had put forward

02:12:50 Speaker 197: that recommendation, which we had discussed

02:12:52 Speaker 197: beforehand. Miss Loft and her client

02:12:54 Speaker 197: were not in favour of that

02:12:56 Speaker 197: approach, and so that was not

02:12:57 Speaker 197: further discussed or voted upon by

02:12:59 Speaker 197: council at that stage. Follow up.

02:13:00 Speaker 197: Thank you. And because the septic

02:13:01 Speaker 197: for this size of use would

02:13:03 Speaker 197: be a significant expense, the three

02:13:04 Speaker 197: years would also. provide the proponent

02:13:05 Speaker 197: to monitor whether or not this

02:13:08 Speaker 197: is even a viable business model.

02:13:09 Speaker 197: Thank you, Director Taylor. Yeah, thank

02:13:11 Speaker 197: you for the comments and questions.

02:13:13 Speaker 197: I just want to respond to

02:13:15 Speaker 197: a few things that that we've

02:13:18 Speaker 197: heard here. I will get get

02:13:21 Speaker 197: to your question, Councillor Devereen, through

02:13:22 Speaker 197: you, Madam Warden, with respect to

02:13:24 Speaker 197: the. First Nations consultation, Becky alluded

02:13:26 Speaker 197: to it in some of her

02:13:28 Speaker 197: comments. As we heard at the

02:13:29 Speaker 197: the previous council meeting, we've we've

02:13:30 Speaker 197: been working quite closely with a

02:13:34 Speaker 197: number of our local First Nations

02:13:35 Speaker 197: through the archaeological management plan process,

02:13:37 Speaker 197: and we've looked to to step

02:13:38 Speaker 197: up our our communications and and

02:13:41 Speaker 197: and our relationship building in that

02:13:43 Speaker 197: regard. Just recently, on a staff

02:13:45 Speaker 197: to staff staff to staff level,

02:13:46 Speaker 197: we've set up regular monthly meetings

02:13:48 Speaker 197: with Saugeen Ojibway Nation Environment Office.

02:13:49 Speaker 197: Njibbey Nation Environment Office staff, just

02:13:52 Speaker 197: to make sure that nothing is

02:13:53 Speaker 197: slipping through the cracks there, and

02:13:57 Speaker 197: and certainly I don't want to

02:13:59 Speaker 197: speak on behalf of any First

02:14:00 Speaker 197: Nation or Mét organisation, but the

02:14:02 Speaker 197: one thing consistently that a number

02:14:04 Speaker 197: of them have told us is

02:14:05 Speaker 197: because their territories are so large,

02:14:06 Speaker 197: and because the scope of development

02:14:08 Speaker 197: interest in their territories are so

02:14:12 Speaker 197: large, they simply can't get to

02:14:12 Speaker 197: everything. And I'm I'm not speaking

02:14:14 Speaker 197: specifically to this Beacon proposal, but

02:14:18 Speaker 197: what they've noted to to staff

02:14:21 Speaker 197: in some of these discussions is

02:14:23 Speaker 197: that we need to work together.

02:14:24 Speaker 197: to understand what are the truly

02:14:26 Speaker 197: important ones to to their interests

02:14:28 Speaker 197: and and what ones that they

02:14:30 Speaker 197: may have less interest in. But

02:14:33 Speaker 197: so I mentioned the the

02:14:35 Speaker 197: one on one meetings with the

02:14:37 Speaker 197: Selk'nam Injibway Nation staff. We've also

02:14:39 Speaker 197: recently had a staff to staff

02:14:41 Speaker 197: meeting with staff from the Six

02:14:42 Speaker 197: Nations of the Grand River. Again,

02:14:45 Speaker 197: we've similar to Councillor Millen's comments

02:14:47 Speaker 197: or Deputy Warden Millen's comments. We've

02:14:49 Speaker 197: we've ensured that that we are

02:14:51 Speaker 197: talking to the right people and

02:14:55 Speaker 197: it's not going to a dead

02:14:57 Speaker 198: inbox in that regard. Certainly, if

02:14:59 Speaker 198: it was Councillor's will, we could

02:15:00 Speaker 198: reach back out to. the First

02:15:02 Speaker 197: Nations or Mét organisations in this

02:15:05 Speaker 197: regard, but I did just want

02:15:07 Speaker 197: to give an update there with

02:15:12 Speaker 197: respect to to our practices. With

02:15:15 Speaker 197: respect to some of the comments

02:15:17 Speaker 197: about the temporary uses and and

02:15:19 Speaker 197: the septic system and the like,

02:15:22 Speaker 197: I do just want to be

02:15:24 Speaker 197: cautious that that we are focusing

02:15:26 Speaker 197: our discussions on the county official

02:15:28 Speaker 197: plan amendment. Certainly, Grey Highlands has

02:15:30 Speaker 197: lots of tools at their disposal

02:15:31 Speaker 199: with respect to a zoning bylaw

02:15:37 Speaker 199: amendment. They could include a holding

02:15:37 Speaker 200: system. They could, as Misselier has

02:15:42 Speaker 201: noted. As Miss Hillier has noted,

02:15:44 Speaker 201: go through the site plan control

02:15:46 Speaker 201: process, but we have limited tools

02:15:48 Speaker 201: at our disposal with respect to

02:15:50 Speaker 201: the official plan amendment. So, if

02:15:52 Speaker 201: Council were to see fit to

02:15:53 Speaker 201: pass an official plan amendment, that

02:15:56 Speaker 201: amendment is permanent. We don't have

02:15:58 Speaker 201: the ability to do a temporary

02:16:00 Speaker 201: official plan amendment or a three-year

02:16:02 Speaker 201: official plan amendment. In regard, as

02:16:06 Speaker 201: Miss Hillier has noted, that is

02:16:08 Speaker 201: fully within the realm of of

02:16:09 Speaker 201: of a municipality with respect to

02:16:10 Speaker 201: zoning by amendment. She stated that

02:16:11 Speaker 202: the proponent and and their their

02:16:16 Speaker 202: H. And their agent, Ms. Loft,

02:16:17 Speaker 203: were not in favour of that

02:16:19 Speaker 203: approach. But there are those tools

02:16:21 Speaker 203: with respect to the site plan

02:16:23 Speaker 204: and agreements in that regard. The

02:16:26 Speaker 205: only other thing I'd say with

02:16:28 Speaker 205: respect to the septic system and

02:16:30 Speaker 205: event facilities across the county is

02:16:31 Speaker 206: we do have a number of

02:16:34 Speaker 207: event facilities across the county that

02:16:37 Speaker 207: are already operating that use portable

02:16:39 Speaker 207: toilets as their primary means. Certainly,

02:16:42 Speaker 207: we think to those facilities that

02:16:46 Speaker 207: might only have one or two

02:16:48 Speaker 207: events a year and have large

02:16:51 Speaker 207: numbers of crowds. We heard, you

02:16:53 Speaker 207: know, lots of comments today. Other

02:16:55 Speaker 207: things. Typically, when we're looking at

02:16:59 Speaker 207: relatively few events, definitely portable toilets

02:17:01 Speaker 207: are usually the way to go.

02:17:07 Speaker 207: Short of being situated at a

02:17:09 Speaker 207: local arena or community centre, they

02:17:10 Speaker 208: simply don't have the demand or

02:17:14 Speaker 208: the capacity available available to facilitate

02:17:15 Speaker 208: those. When we think about some

02:17:17 Speaker 152: of our our more rural celebrations,

02:17:21 Speaker 152: you know, maple syrup festivals or

02:17:24 Speaker 152: harvest festivals, again, those those portable

02:17:27 Speaker 152: toilets are are very much the

02:17:29 Speaker 152: way to go, as Becky has

02:17:31 Speaker 152: noted. Particularly on this one, when

02:17:35 Speaker 152: they're looking at multiple events a

02:17:36 Speaker 152: year, when we're looking at operating

02:17:38 Speaker 152: year-round, staff have pushed the proponent

02:17:39 Speaker 209: here for a more permanent solution.

02:17:43 Speaker 210: But if if Gray Highlands, through

02:17:46 Speaker 210: future applications, were to deem it

02:17:48 Speaker 210: appropriate to consider sort of a

02:17:49 Speaker 210: phase-in period where those temporary facilities

02:17:51 Speaker 211: could still be used in advance

02:17:54 Speaker 212: of the the formal septic. system

02:17:58 Speaker 212: and washrooms, I would say that's

02:18:00 Speaker 212: not completely inconsistent with how a

02:18:02 Speaker 213: number of other event facilities have

02:18:05 Speaker 213: been treated across the county in

02:18:07 Speaker 213: the past. Okay, thank you. We're

02:18:09 Speaker 213: going to go to Councillor Keaveny

02:18:12 Speaker 213: next. Thank you, Warden Matrasovs, and

02:18:14 Speaker 214: Director Taylor has predominantly just answered

02:18:17 Speaker 214: my question. I was going to

02:18:19 Speaker 215: ask about the enforcement capabilities if

02:18:22 Speaker 216: the proponent, after three years, determined

02:18:24 Speaker 217: that they couldn't go. forward for

02:18:30 Speaker 152: whatever reason with the septic system,

02:18:32 Speaker 152: you know what was our ability

02:18:34 Speaker 152: or Grey Highlands' ability to enforce,

02:18:38 Speaker 152: or could they ask for an

02:18:39 Speaker 152: extension? So I think that's predominantly

02:18:41 Speaker 152: been covered. Thank you. Okay, thank

02:18:43 Speaker 152: you. And okay, I saw two

02:18:51 Speaker 152: hands go up. Once we're going

02:18:53 Speaker 152: to go to Councillor Carlton, and

02:18:54 Speaker 152: then over to Councillor Mackie. Thank

02:19:00 Speaker 152: you, Warden. Just to go back

02:19:05 Speaker 152: to the question about the noise

02:19:06 Speaker 218: study that was done, I did

02:19:09 Speaker 218: a quick search. and it was

02:19:10 Speaker 218: done with the doors open, but

02:19:12 Speaker 218: it was completed using a pink

02:19:14 Speaker 218: noise file. And when I did

02:19:16 Speaker 218: a search online to find out

02:19:17 Speaker 218: what that type of file would

02:19:19 Speaker 218: be, it identifies that white noise

02:19:20 Speaker 218: is all frequencies coming through at

02:19:22 Speaker 218: the same intensity, and it's high

02:19:23 Speaker 219: pitched, so ears don't like it.

02:19:26 Speaker 219: A pink noise file subdues that,

02:19:30 Speaker 219: makes sure the sounds are gentler.

02:19:32 Speaker 219: and less likely to overwhelm people,

02:19:34 Speaker 219: so I think doing a noise

02:19:36 Speaker 219: study using a pink noise audio

02:19:37 Speaker 219: file kind of defeated the purpose

02:19:40 Speaker 219: of doing the noise study. It's

02:19:43 Speaker 219: a little misleading. Okay, thank you.

02:19:46 Speaker 219: And is there any staff comment

02:19:49 Speaker 219: to that before I go to

02:19:54 Speaker 219: Councillor Mackey? Yeah. So thank you

02:19:57 Speaker 219: for that. No. And yeah, your

02:20:01 Speaker 219: your due diligence on there is

02:20:03 Speaker 219: is. is appreciated. Yeah, with regards

02:20:05 Speaker 219: to that, again, I I can't

02:20:06 Speaker 219: attest to being a audio expert

02:20:08 Speaker 219: or noise acoustic expert, which again

02:20:10 Speaker 219: is is why we did have

02:20:13 Speaker 219: that peer reviewed for that expertise.

02:20:16 Speaker 219: So yeah, I would just defer

02:20:18 Speaker 219: to the to the peer review

02:20:20 Speaker 219: on that, and can certainly share

02:20:22 Speaker 219: those comments if interested. Okay, thank

02:20:25 Speaker 219: you. We'll go over to Councillor

02:20:28 Speaker 219: Mackie. Thank you. Warden, and thank

02:20:30 Speaker 219: you, Becky. I know this has

02:20:32 Speaker 219: been a difficult file for you,

02:20:34 Speaker 219: and you've done a really good

02:20:36 Speaker 219: job. But just a follow-up

02:20:38 Speaker 219: from Councillor Debrine's question: When you

02:20:40 Speaker 219: talked about the number of structures

02:20:42 Speaker 219: that have been erected without a

02:20:44 Speaker 219: building permit, does that include the

02:20:47 Speaker 219: hall? That the picture of the

02:20:48 Speaker 219: large hall, so it was erected

02:20:51 Speaker 219: without a building permit. Is it

02:20:53 Speaker 220: being utilised right now without? a

02:20:56 Speaker 220: building permit, and are other structures

02:20:58 Speaker 220: that have been erected without building

02:21:01 Speaker 220: permits being utilised or in the

02:21:03 Speaker 221: last period of time. Thank you.

02:21:06 Speaker 221: So, my understanding is that since

02:21:08 Speaker 221: Bylaw has gotten involved on the

02:21:10 Speaker 221: property, they have ceased all business

02:21:12 Speaker 221: operations. So, to my knowledge, the

02:21:15 Speaker 221: the event hall and and none

02:21:17 Speaker 222: of the other structures are are

02:21:20 Speaker 221: currently being used for any sort

02:21:22 Speaker 221: of event function. Are you able

02:21:25 Speaker 221: to verify the the large hall

02:21:28 Speaker 221: that we were showing a picture

02:21:30 Speaker 223: of was it erected without a

02:21:33 Speaker 223: building permit? I believe that is

02:21:35 Speaker 71: the case. Yes. Okay. Thank you.

02:21:38 Speaker 67: We'll go to Councillor Greg next.

02:21:44 Speaker 67: Thank you. And through your warden,

02:21:50 Speaker 67: I appreciate the opportunity to speak

02:21:55 Speaker 67: to the motion. that's on the

02:22:01 Speaker 67: floor. I am concerned that 12

02:22:03 Speaker 67: events per year on the surface

02:22:05 Speaker 67: looks like they could easily be

02:22:07 Speaker 67: spread out through the year, but

02:22:09 Speaker 165: I think that's quite unlikely. I

02:22:13 Speaker 165: am concerned for the neighbours that

02:22:15 Speaker 165: it could be an intensification over

02:22:16 Speaker 165: the May to September preferred months,

02:22:22 Speaker 224: the nicer climate. This weekend will

02:22:25 Speaker 03: be the Summerfolk Festival in Owen

02:22:33 Speaker 74: Sound, and I live greater than

02:22:37 Speaker 74: two kilometres away from the bandshell,

02:22:43 Speaker 74: and now it is open air.

02:22:44 Speaker 74: But I. will enjoy the the

02:22:45 Speaker 225: sounds of music wafting into my

02:22:47 Speaker 74: open windows, dependent upon wind direction,

02:22:52 Speaker 74: air pressure, moisture levels. So two

02:22:55 Speaker 74: kilometres of travel is is not

02:22:57 Speaker 74: to be. I mean that that's

02:22:58 Speaker 74: that's considerable. Your standard mile and

02:22:59 Speaker 74: a quarter in the in the

02:23:03 Speaker 226: rural country can travel literally a

02:23:06 Speaker 226: block under the right conditions, and

02:23:08 Speaker 226: I think it is fair to.

02:23:14 Speaker 226: think that that door could be

02:23:16 Speaker 74: open and probably would be, given

02:23:20 Speaker 74: the climatic conditions outside and warm

02:23:23 Speaker 74: versus cold, whatever. So I am

02:23:28 Speaker 74: concerned for the neighbours. I'm concerned

02:23:31 Speaker 74: about the introduction of significant potential

02:23:32 Speaker 74: conflict to the community. I couldn't

02:23:35 Speaker 74: agree any more with Councillor Nielsen

02:23:37 Speaker 74: about your comments about the county

02:23:40 Speaker 74: waiting into the profitability and the

02:23:42 Speaker 227: business case. I don't think that's

02:23:46 Speaker 74: something that should be part of

02:23:50 Speaker 74: our consideration. Part of our considerations

02:23:53 Speaker 74: that is something that is dependent

02:23:56 Speaker 74: upon the developer, the proponent, the

02:23:58 Speaker 228: applicant. When you purchase a property,

02:24:03 Speaker 217: you've already studied those septic systems

02:24:10 Speaker 152: that are on site. You are

02:24:14 Speaker 152: well, or should be well aware

02:24:15 Speaker 152: of the the challenges or the

02:24:19 Speaker 152: opportunities that were are before you.

02:24:22 Speaker 152: And I don't think I don't

02:24:27 Speaker 152: do not agree with a three

02:24:28 Speaker 152: year allowance to come into compliance

02:24:32 Speaker 152: to have an adequately sized

02:24:35 Speaker 152: septic loading. on the site, so

02:24:38 Speaker 152: I don't think it's appropriate that

02:24:39 Speaker 152: that council would support that. And

02:24:41 Speaker 152: in this instance, I would be

02:24:44 Speaker 152: glad to support the decision making,

02:24:46 Speaker 152: which was made at the local

02:24:49 Speaker 152: level by the elected officials closest

02:24:51 Speaker 229: to their residents, and that was

02:24:53 Speaker 229: to echo the results of the

02:24:57 Speaker 229: vote from the municipality of Greyhound.

02:25:00 Speaker 229: So those are my comments. Thanks.

02:25:04 Speaker 229: Okay, thank you very much. I'm

02:25:07 Speaker 229: just. looking around the table. I

02:25:11 Speaker 229: think we have now captured all.

02:25:13 Speaker 229: Oh, Councillor Eccles. You are so

02:25:16 Speaker 229: close, that close. Is Lake Eugenia

02:25:18 Speaker 229: in a hamlet settlement, or considered

02:25:19 Speaker 229: a hamlet settlement? Portions of Lake

02:25:21 Speaker 229: Eugenia fall with. Portions of Lake

02:25:26 Speaker 229: Eugenia fall within what we call

02:25:30 Speaker 229: the secondary settlement area, and then

02:25:35 Speaker 229: portions of Lake Eugenia fall within

02:25:37 Speaker 229: the Inland Lakes and Shorelines Designation

02:25:39 Speaker 229: Area. So this particular property is

02:25:42 Speaker 229: just north of a portion of

02:25:44 Speaker 229: the Inland Lakes and Shorelines Designation

02:25:48 Speaker 229: Area. Okay, thank you. Any? Oh,

02:25:50 Speaker 229: is there a follow up? Of

02:25:53 Speaker 229: course. Under the current policies, it's

02:25:55 Speaker 229: 0.85. Did I understand that correctly?

02:25:59 Speaker 229: That would connect this. So the

02:26:00 Speaker 229: reason that they're here is because

02:26:04 Speaker 229: they want it to be bigger.

02:26:05 Speaker 229: So this will be somewhat. They're

02:26:08 Speaker 229: going for 1.05 hectares to be

02:26:10 Speaker 229: covered in this. So this is

02:26:11 Speaker 229: kind of precedent setting. We're going

02:26:14 Speaker 229: to set a precedent that we're

02:26:16 Speaker 229: going to deviate from. policy. See

02:26:18 Speaker 230: how that goes, because there's other

02:26:23 Speaker 230: things that we certainly couldn't deviate

02:26:26 Speaker 231: for policy because it would be

02:26:29 Speaker 231: a precedent-setting thing. With that said,

02:26:32 Speaker 231: and it goes back to the

02:26:34 Speaker 231: comment, we have a number of

02:26:36 Speaker 231: other of these types of facilities

02:26:38 Speaker 231: throughout the. county, and certainly a

02:26:42 Speaker 231: couple of them, even within the

02:26:44 Speaker 231: municipality of Gray Highlands. And it

02:26:46 Speaker 231: was indicated by one of the

02:26:48 Speaker 231: presenters this morning that that was

02:26:50 Speaker 231: enough because they operate very. There

02:26:51 Speaker 231: is no problem with them. So,

02:26:54 Speaker 231: what's the difference from the noise,

02:26:56 Speaker 231: from the septic, from everything else,

02:27:00 Speaker 231: from the ones that are operating

02:27:03 Speaker 231: that don't seem to. be a

02:27:05 Speaker 231: problem to this one. Any comments

02:27:09 Speaker 231: or questions? Thank you for those

02:27:10 Speaker 231: questions. So just to confirm, with

02:27:12 Speaker 231: regards to your comment on the

02:27:14 Speaker 231: zero point eight, so this file

02:27:17 Speaker 231: was submitted in, I believe, August

02:27:18 Speaker 231: of twenty twenty four. And so,

02:27:28 Speaker 231: under our official plan, which is

02:27:29 Speaker 231: slightly different than the provincial planning

02:27:31 Speaker 231: statement, we make decisions and planning

02:27:32 Speaker 231: recommendations based on the official planning

02:27:33 Speaker 232: policies that were in effect at

02:27:36 Speaker 232: the time of application submission. So,

02:27:37 Speaker 233: at the time of application submission,

02:27:40 Speaker 234: we did not, at that point,

02:27:44 Speaker 234: have policies in place, any policies

02:27:46 Speaker 235: in place to kind of provide

02:27:49 Speaker 236: policy guidance or frameworks around special

02:27:52 Speaker 59: event. venue types of uses, in

02:27:57 Speaker 59: May 2025, so this year, County

02:27:58 Speaker 59: Council did approve OPA 23, which

02:28:00 Speaker 59: was a amendment to our official

02:28:02 Speaker 59: plan that looked at altering numerous

02:28:04 Speaker 237: land use land uses within the

02:28:07 Speaker 237: rural designation and and kind of

02:28:10 Speaker 237: enhancing and refining some of the

02:28:11 Speaker 237: policies around those and what would

02:28:13 Speaker 237: be permitted there. And one of

02:28:15 Speaker 237: those policies that was was approved

02:28:17 Speaker 238: through OPA 23 was consideration for

02:28:19 Speaker 239: small scale rural event special event

02:28:22 Speaker 239: venues, and they would essentially follow

02:28:23 Speaker 239: the same sizing criteria as our

02:28:24 Speaker 239: on farm diversified use policies. And

02:28:26 Speaker 239: so, based on those policies, for

02:28:28 Speaker 239: a 40 hectare property without an

02:28:30 Speaker 239: official plan amendment, if submitted today

02:28:31 Speaker 239: or any time after May. Today

02:28:33 Speaker 240: or anytime after May 2025, an

02:28:47 Speaker 240: applicant could potentially have a up

02:28:49 Speaker 241: to 0.8 hectare event venue, and

02:28:51 Speaker 242: that includes all the parking, the

02:28:55 Speaker 242: buildings, the servicing, everything within that

02:28:57 Speaker 242: 0.8 hectares, without the need for

02:28:58 Speaker 243: a county official plan amendment. However,

02:29:01 Speaker 244: you know, as the decision that

02:29:04 Speaker 245: we need to make today is

02:29:06 Speaker 245: based on our previous policies in

02:29:07 Speaker 245: effect, it's really just provided for

02:29:09 Speaker 245: informational purposes at at this stage,

02:29:11 Speaker 245: and for for yeah for for

02:29:13 Speaker 246: council's information, and we'll just go

02:29:15 Speaker 246: over to the CAO. And just

02:29:16 Speaker 247: further to to Becky's comments, in

02:29:20 Speaker 247: terms of you know even with

02:29:23 Speaker 247: the provisions as as noted by

02:29:24 Speaker 247: Becky that are in existence today,

02:29:26 Speaker 247: as relates to OPA twenty three,

02:29:29 Speaker 247: doesn't prevent an applicant coming forward

02:29:32 Speaker 248: to ask for any considerations beyond

02:29:37 Speaker 248: that. It is then through an

02:29:38 Speaker 197: official plan amendment process. There will

02:29:40 Speaker 197: be would be studies required, similar

02:29:42 Speaker 197: to studies that have been done

02:29:45 Speaker 197: with respect to this current application.

02:29:47 Speaker 197: Those those studies, as as Becky

02:29:49 Speaker 197: indicated, have been reviewed, and and

02:29:51 Speaker 197: based on based on that review,

02:29:53 Speaker 197: staff felt comfortable to be able

02:29:56 Speaker 197: to recommend approval and support, recognizing

02:29:57 Speaker 197: as Scott indicated that there are

02:29:59 Speaker 197: other tools and mechanisms in order

02:30:01 Speaker 197: to deal with some those other

02:30:05 Speaker 197: concerns that have been expressed through.

02:30:07 Speaker 197: both the zoning bylaw as well

02:30:08 Speaker 197: as the site plan process. Okay.

02:30:10 Speaker 67: Did there is an error? Oh,

02:30:13 Speaker 67: there we go, Councillor McQueen. Thank

02:30:18 Speaker 67: you, Madam Warden. I'm just sort

02:30:20 Speaker 67: of following up on a point

02:30:22 Speaker 67: that was made by Councillor Eccles,

02:30:26 Speaker 67: in the sense of I think

02:30:27 Speaker 67: it was mentioned from the first

02:30:30 Speaker 249: presenter today that there was an

02:30:32 Speaker 250: accommodation site and. Site ten camping,

02:30:35 Speaker 250: I think, that was approved. Maybe

02:30:38 Speaker 61: a year and a half ago,

02:30:42 Speaker 61: was on a forty hectare, hundred

02:30:44 Speaker 61: acre parcel. There was there was

02:30:46 Speaker 61: some concerns around it. It was

02:30:48 Speaker 251: approved, but it's not an event.

02:30:50 Speaker 251: It's it's it was approved with

02:30:52 Speaker 251: it was a I think limited

02:30:53 Speaker 251: parking, limited space. It was accommodation

02:30:54 Speaker 251: for people to come and enjoy

02:31:04 Speaker 251: it, but not to be at

02:31:05 Speaker 251: an event or. or an event

02:31:06 Speaker 251: being hosted, I don't know if

02:31:22 Speaker 251: that adds clarity to what Council

02:31:23 Speaker 251: Eccles was mentioning, but it's sort

02:31:24 Speaker 251: of, yeah, there was it's not

02:31:25 Speaker 251: being generating noise. There was noise

02:31:32 Speaker 252: concerns when it was brought to

02:31:36 Speaker 252: to Council at that time, but

02:31:38 Speaker 252: it's on a larger piece of

02:31:43 Speaker 252: land. And anyway, at the time,

02:31:45 Speaker 252: Council did support that, but it's

02:31:49 Speaker 252: only for accommodation, not an event.

02:31:50 Speaker 252: Okay. Any other comments? Okay, I'm

02:31:53 Speaker 252: not seeing further hands. Madam Clerk,

02:31:56 Speaker 252: you wanted to address some wording

02:31:59 Speaker 252: in the motion. Yes, thank you,

02:32:01 Speaker 252: Madam Warden. Through you, just in

02:32:03 Speaker 253: a quick discussion with the Director

02:32:08 Speaker 253: of Planning, I'm just wondering about

02:32:10 Speaker 86: Council's indulgence to put forward an

02:32:12 Speaker 86: amendment to remove the wording and

02:32:13 Speaker 254: that staff be directed to prepare

02:32:20 Speaker 86: a bylaw for approval by County

02:32:24 Speaker 86: Council from the second. clause of

02:32:39 Speaker 86: the motion, just because, given my

02:32:40 Speaker 86: understanding in those discussions, that there

02:32:42 Speaker 86: will be a bylaw come forward

02:32:45 Speaker 86: regardless of how County Council votes

02:32:46 Speaker 86: on this matter, and then as

02:32:48 Speaker 86: that is the official mechanism to

02:32:49 Speaker 86: change the OPA. But I may

02:32:51 Speaker 255: look to to Director Taylor to

02:32:55 Speaker 255: correct any incorrect information I've conveyed

02:32:57 Speaker 255: there. Director Taylor. Thank you, Madam

02:32:59 Speaker 255: Warden. Through you, the clerk is

02:33:00 Speaker 255: 100 right. That's sort of standard

02:33:02 Speaker 86: wording in our official plan amendment

02:33:04 Speaker 86: recommendations. But regardless of whether or

02:33:05 Speaker 86: not council is supportive or not

02:33:07 Speaker 86: supportive, the bylaw still needs to

02:33:08 Speaker 86: come forward for that decision to

02:33:10 Speaker 86: be made. So we'll have presumably

02:33:12 Speaker 86: the vote here today. But then

02:33:14 Speaker 86: the bylaw would come forward to

02:33:15 Speaker 86: county council, and that's when it

02:33:17 Speaker 86: would officially be approved or refused

02:33:20 Speaker 256: or further deferred at that time.

03:37:15 Speaker 256: Okay. So with that clarification. then

03:37:16 Speaker 256: there is a request for an

03:37:18 Speaker 256: amendment to the main motion. Is

03:37:19 Speaker 256: there a mover for that, Councillor

03:37:21 Speaker 251: Hutchinson? Seconder, Councillor Dobrin. Okay, so

03:37:23 Speaker 251: it's moved and seconded as an

03:37:26 Speaker 251: amendment to the main motion, and

03:37:27 Speaker 251: it's there up on the screen.

03:37:30 Speaker 251: And that the motion be amended

03:37:31 Speaker 251: to remove the wording, and that

03:37:33 Speaker 251: staff be directed to prepare a

03:37:36 Speaker 251: bylaw to for approval by County

03:37:38 Speaker 251: Council. from the second clause. Okay.

03:37:40 Speaker 251: Any discussion on that amendment? All

03:37:42 Speaker 251: those in favour of the amendment,

03:37:45 Speaker 251: and that is carried. Okay. Thank

03:37:46 Speaker 251: you. So we'll give the clerk

03:37:47 Speaker 251: a chance to update the wording

03:37:50 Speaker 251: of the main motion, and if

03:37:51 Speaker 248: I don't see any further hands

03:37:56 Speaker 248: up in a moment, I will

03:37:57 Speaker 257: call that vote. And Madam. Clerk,

03:38:00 Speaker 257: if you can just make sure

03:38:02 Speaker 257: that that's right up on the

03:38:03 Speaker 257: screen, the whole motion. Okay. So,

03:38:04 Speaker 197: Madam Clerk, could you please read

03:38:08 Speaker 197: that out for us, just so

03:38:09 Speaker 197: we all know what we're voting

03:38:12 Speaker 197: on. So that report, PDRCW fifty

03:38:13 Speaker 197: two. For PDR CW 52-25 regarding

03:38:15 Speaker 197: OPA 22 Bcom Inc. be received

03:38:17 Speaker 197: and that official plan amendment 4208180

03:38:20 Speaker 197: OPA 22 Bcom Inc. also known

03:38:21 Speaker 197: as Highland Estate State, which proposes

03:38:24 Speaker 197: a site-specific exception to the rural

03:38:26 Speaker 197: designation to permit a special events

03:38:28 Speaker 197: venue on approximately 1.05 hectares of

03:38:32 Speaker 197: land, legally described as Part Lot

03:38:33 Speaker 197: 33 Concession 13 in the geographic

03:38:35 Speaker 197: township of Partemisia. Township of Artemisia,

03:38:37 Speaker 197: now in the municipality of Grey

03:38:39 Speaker 197: Highlands, be supported. Okay, thank you.

03:38:41 Speaker 197: So it's been discussed, it's been

03:38:42 Speaker 197: moved, it's been seconded. I'm going

03:38:44 Speaker 197: to call the vote now. All

03:38:45 Speaker 197: those in favour? Okay, Madam Clerk.

03:38:46 Speaker 197: Those opposed? Okay, and I can

03:38:48 Speaker 197: declare that this motion has failed.

03:38:51 Speaker 197: Okay, thank you very much, Miss

03:38:52 Speaker 197: Hillier, and also to Director Taylor

03:38:54 Speaker 197: for the extra information. And as

03:38:56 Speaker 197: as I will echo, as the

03:38:58 Speaker 197: comments have been, we have very

03:39:00 Speaker 197: much appreciated all the detail that

03:39:02 Speaker 197: has gone into this report. Thank

03:39:03 Speaker 197: you. Okay, so with that, now

03:39:05 Speaker 197: we are approaching twelve thirty, and

03:39:06 Speaker 258: we do have a heavy agenda.

03:39:09 Speaker 258: I am going to, and just

03:39:11 Speaker 251: in conjunction with lunch and some

03:39:16 Speaker 251: other obligations that will happen, what

03:39:19 Speaker 251: we will do is we will

03:39:21 Speaker 251: now break until 1:30, and then

03:39:24 Speaker 251: we will pick up the agenda

03:39:26 Speaker 251: and move on from there. So

03:39:28 Speaker 251: we will take a break, lunch,

03:39:31 Speaker 251: and anything else, and then we

03:39:33 Speaker 251: will be back here in the

03:39:36 Speaker 251: chamber at 1:30 to continue with

03:39:37 Speaker 251: the open portion of the agenda.

03:39:39 Speaker 251: Thank you. Okay, welcome back, Committee.

03:39:42 Speaker 251: The whole members, we are here

03:39:45 Speaker 259: picking up on our agenda items,

03:39:51 Speaker 259: and we had finished with. We

03:39:52 Speaker 74: had just before lunch, we had

03:39:56 Speaker 74: stopped after a motion for item

03:39:57 Speaker 74: seven a, but to clean up

03:40:01 Speaker 74: the business and be able to

03:40:10 Speaker 260: provide the direction, there is Madam

03:40:12 Speaker 260: Clerk. Do you want to? Have

03:40:15 Speaker 260: you got that up on? There

03:40:17 Speaker 260: you go. Okay. the clerk has

03:40:20 Speaker 260: advised in terms of process, and

03:40:21 Speaker 260: I'll look to Director Taylor just

03:40:24 Speaker 260: to to give some background to

03:40:26 Speaker 260: this. We do have a recommended

03:40:28 Speaker 260: motion that we should do in

03:40:32 Speaker 260: order to be able to tie

03:40:33 Speaker 260: up what what it was that

03:40:34 Speaker 260: we discussed, and so I'll go

03:40:36 Speaker 260: over to Director Taylor. Thank you,

03:40:38 Speaker 260: Madam Warden, and and through you,

03:40:39 Speaker 260: I'll try to keep this brief.

03:40:41 Speaker 260: We we've done some discussions and

03:40:43 Speaker 260: some research over the lunch hour.

03:40:44 Speaker 260: We don't. luckily, at the county,

03:40:45 Speaker 260: deal with many refusals of official

03:40:46 Speaker 260: plan amendments. And and the question

03:40:49 Speaker 260: was put to us, raised by

03:40:52 Speaker 261: the CAO, does the bylaw at

03:40:56 Speaker 261: council need to be refused, or

03:40:58 Speaker 261: can we simply pass, or can

03:41:04 Speaker 261: council simply pass a motion here

03:41:04 Speaker 261: today, stating council's intent to refuse?

03:41:06 Speaker 261: And when those minutes get ratified

03:41:07 Speaker 197: by county council on September the

03:41:10 Speaker 197: 11th, that's when that refusal would

03:41:11 Speaker 197: happen, if that's council's wish. The

03:41:13 Speaker 197: challenge with with the way we

03:41:14 Speaker 197: left it after lunch is we

03:41:16 Speaker 197: simply have a a lost motion

03:41:17 Speaker 197: for support. And I think as

03:41:18 Speaker 197: staff, you know, we we can

03:41:20 Speaker 197: read the room and and we

03:41:21 Speaker 197: understand. I think where council's direction

03:41:22 Speaker 197: is, but formally in the minutes.

03:41:24 Speaker 197: And if this were to get

03:41:25 Speaker 197: appealed or a non decision were

03:41:27 Speaker 197: to be appealed, I don't think

03:41:30 Speaker 197: that's crystal clear. So with council's

03:41:32 Speaker 197: indulgence and and thanks to the

03:41:33 Speaker 197: the speedy work of the clerks,

03:41:35 Speaker 197: they put together a further motion,

03:41:38 Speaker 197: just noting that the official plan

03:41:41 Speaker 197: amendment would be would be refused.

03:41:43 Speaker 197: We wouldn't bring. the bylaw forward

03:41:45 Speaker 197: to council, and then simply if

03:41:47 Speaker 197: council passes the minutes on September

03:41:49 Speaker 262: 11th, and that's when the notice

03:41:54 Speaker 263: of decision would go out. Okay,

03:41:59 Speaker 263: thank you for that background. So

03:42:00 Speaker 74: it's recommended that official plan amendment

03:42:03 Speaker 74: 4208180 OPA 22 OPA 22 ViaCom

03:42:04 Speaker 74: Inc., also known as Highland Estate,

03:42:06 Speaker 74: which proposes a site-specific exception to

03:42:11 Speaker 74: the rural designation to permit a

03:42:13 Speaker 74: special events venue on the on

03:42:16 Speaker 264: approximately 1. On approximately 1.05 hectares

03:42:20 Speaker 265: of lands legally described as Part

03:42:27 Speaker 265: Lot 33, Concession 13, in the

03:42:28 Speaker 197: geographic township of Artemisia, now in

03:42:31 Speaker 197: the municipality of Grey Highlands, be

03:42:32 Speaker 197: refused. May I ask for a

03:42:34 Speaker 197: mover? Moved by Councillor Nielsen, seconded

03:42:36 Speaker 197: by Councillor Gregg. Any discussion? Yes,

03:42:37 Speaker 197: Councillor Eccles. So, how is this

03:42:39 Speaker 197: different from the motion that we

03:42:40 Speaker 197: just turned down? And if that's

03:42:41 Speaker 197: the case. and partly in procedure,

03:42:46 Speaker 197: should we not bring that last

03:42:48 Speaker 197: one back? So the last one,

03:42:50 Speaker 197: we didn't actually execute an action;

03:42:52 Speaker 197: we just simply voted down an

03:42:54 Speaker 197: action. So the recommended motion was

03:42:57 Speaker 197: to support; we voted that down.

03:42:59 Speaker 197: So in order to be able

03:43:00 Speaker 197: to affirm an action that goes

03:43:02 Speaker 197: with that. The this one is

03:43:05 Speaker 197: the same except it now says

03:43:06 Speaker 197: be refused. And as Director Taylor

03:43:09 Speaker 197: said, that would put it into

03:43:12 Speaker 197: the minutes, thus, so that when

03:43:15 Speaker 197: we get to council two weeks

03:43:17 Speaker 197: from or at our next council

03:43:18 Speaker 197: meeting, there would be no bylaw,

03:43:20 Speaker 197: and this would be in. But

03:43:22 Speaker 197: if this were to pass, if

03:43:24 Speaker 197: this were to be moved, seconded,

03:43:27 Speaker 197: and passed, well, it's already moved

03:43:29 Speaker 197: and seconded. If this were to

03:43:31 Speaker 197: pass, then that would provide clear

03:43:32 Speaker 197: direction, as opposed to non decision.

03:43:34 Speaker 197: does, and I'll look to staff

03:43:35 Speaker 197: if if they can provide any

03:43:37 Speaker 197: further clarification, Director Taylor. Thank you,

03:43:38 Speaker 197: Madam Warden. I think you've done

03:43:39 Speaker 266: a great job explaining it. The

03:43:41 Speaker 267: one sort of further nuance here,

03:43:44 Speaker 267: just for council's consideration, when we

03:43:47 Speaker 268: talk about appeal rights to the

03:43:49 Speaker 268: Ontario Land Tribunal, basically there's three

03:43:52 Speaker 268: types of appeals: there's the appeal

03:43:53 Speaker 268: of an approval, the appeal of

03:43:57 Speaker 268: a refusal, or the appeal of

03:43:59 Speaker 268: a non decision. So in theory,

03:44:03 Speaker 268: and I certainly don't want to

03:44:04 Speaker 268: speculate too far or wish to

03:44:08 Speaker 268: speak on behalf of the applicant.

03:44:11 Speaker 268: Wish to speak on behalf the

03:44:14 Speaker 268: applicant. After today, if they wished,

03:44:16 Speaker 268: if they didn't want to wait

03:44:18 Speaker 268: for this matter to come forward

03:44:20 Speaker 268: on September 11th, they may consider

03:44:23 Speaker 268: appealing a non decision of County

03:44:26 Speaker 268: Council on the County Official Plan

03:44:28 Speaker 268: Amendment. And so, if that were

03:44:32 Speaker 269: to happen, this motion makes it

03:44:38 Speaker 270: clear on what County Council's direction

03:44:43 Speaker 270: was, even if they hadn't formally

03:44:45 Speaker 270: executed that yet, because it's County

03:44:47 Speaker 270: Council that's the approval body or

03:44:48 Speaker 270: refusal body for official plan amendments

03:44:49 Speaker 270: in that regard. any follow-up council

03:44:51 Speaker 270: circles? So we amended the first

03:44:53 Speaker 270: motion to take out the bylaw

03:44:55 Speaker 74: because that, at that point in

03:44:59 Speaker 74: time, when the understanding was, it

03:45:03 Speaker 74: absolutely had to come back as

03:45:06 Speaker 271: a bylaw for September the 11th.

03:45:10 Speaker 272: Now we're putting this motion through

03:45:14 Speaker 272: to say we're refusing it, so

03:45:15 Speaker 272: that the bylaw. Doesn't have to

03:45:16 Speaker 273: come here, Director Taylor. Yeah, through

03:45:19 Speaker 274: you, Madam Warden. That's on me,

03:45:23 Speaker 274: Councillor Eccles. I was messaging back

03:45:24 Speaker 274: and forth with the clerk. My

03:45:26 Speaker 274: my initial read of it was

03:45:27 Speaker 274: that that the bylaw did need

03:45:29 Speaker 274: to come back to County Council

03:45:31 Speaker 10: for a formal decision. In doing

03:45:34 Speaker 10: some further research over the lunch

03:45:36 Speaker 03: hour and looking at some other

03:45:50 Speaker 03: municipal approaches, there it appears another

03:45:51 Speaker 03: option is that the the motion

03:45:52 Speaker 03: be passed for refusal, and then

03:45:53 Speaker 03: that motion be be passed with

03:45:55 Speaker 275: the minutes, rather than having to

03:45:57 Speaker 275: have that formal bylaw come forward.

03:45:59 Speaker 275: So I believe both are options.

03:46:02 Speaker 275: Council could vote down the bylaw

03:46:04 Speaker 275: on September the 11th, or we

03:46:06 Speaker 275: could have this motion here today.

03:46:07 Speaker 275: Staff just felt in in discussion

03:46:08 Speaker 275: with the CEO and the clerk

03:46:10 Speaker 275: that this provided clear direction, sort

03:46:12 Speaker 276: of in that interim period up

03:46:15 Speaker 277: until September 11th. The other thing

03:46:17 Speaker 278: that that staff noted. The other

03:46:20 Speaker 278: thing that staff noted is normally

03:46:21 Speaker 278: when we're dealing with the county

03:46:27 Speaker 278: council session at the beginning of

03:46:29 Speaker 278: our day, there can be bylaws

03:46:32 Speaker 278: grouped together. And so, if we

03:46:34 Speaker 278: were looking at refusal, then council

03:46:35 Speaker 278: might need to separate, say, the

03:46:39 Speaker 278: confirming bylaw from this bylaw or

03:46:41 Speaker 278: any other bylaws that stem out

03:46:43 Speaker 278: of today's meeting. So we just

03:46:45 Speaker 278: felt that this was perhaps a

03:46:47 Speaker 278: cleaner option, but certainly at the

03:46:49 Speaker 278: disposal of council as to how

03:46:52 Speaker 278: they wish to deal with this

03:46:54 Speaker 278: one. We'll go to the CAO

03:46:57 Speaker 278: and just further discuss comments and.

03:47:00 Speaker 278: I think he noted earlier we

03:47:02 Speaker 278: don't often deal with refusals of

03:47:05 Speaker 278: OPA. So, just based on further

03:47:08 Speaker 278: research, we think this is the

03:47:09 Speaker 278: cleanest approach in terms of formalizing

03:47:13 Speaker 278: direction from the committee. The whole

03:47:15 Speaker 278: in terms of whether or not

03:47:18 Speaker 278: this committee whole wants to

03:47:21 Speaker 279: refuse this OPA. Again, we can

03:47:26 Speaker 278: we can assume that the the

03:47:29 Speaker 278: not supporting the the last. motion

03:47:32 Speaker 278: is is is similar to that

03:47:35 Speaker 278: direction, but this is clarifies that

03:47:37 Speaker 278: absolute direction, and it relates back

03:47:39 Speaker 278: to what Director Taylor indicated with

03:47:42 Speaker 278: respect to the options available to

03:47:43 Speaker 278: committee and eventually council when they

03:47:46 Speaker 278: when they ratify this to to

03:47:47 Speaker 278: either refuse, approve, or approve with

03:47:49 Speaker 280: modifications. Okay, thank you. That's good.

03:47:52 Speaker 280: Kill circles. I wish I would

03:47:54 Speaker 280: have had this option beforehand. I'll

03:47:56 Speaker 278: just put it in. It would

03:47:58 Speaker 278: certainly change how I voted on

03:48:00 Speaker 278: the last one because I was

03:48:04 Speaker 278: looking forward to seeing that bylaw

03:48:06 Speaker 278: come forward, and that was the

03:48:09 Speaker 278: position that we would make our

03:48:10 Speaker 278: final and direct comments on and

03:48:12 Speaker 278: vote on. Now we're here with

03:48:13 Speaker 278: this, so yep. Let's go forward.

03:48:15 Speaker 278: Okay. Thank you. Are there any

03:48:18 Speaker 278: other? comments? Okay, it's been moved

03:48:19 Speaker 278: and seconded and read out. Then

03:48:22 Speaker 278: I'll call the vote. All those

03:48:23 Speaker 278: in favour, and that motion is

03:48:25 Speaker 278: carried. Thank you. Okay, so that

03:48:29 Speaker 278: allows us to move on

03:48:31 Speaker 278: to item seven B, and for

03:48:33 Speaker 278: that, do we have Ms. Johnson?

03:48:36 Speaker 278: Yes, we do. Here she comes.

03:48:41 Speaker 278: Welcome, Ms. Johnson, as our trails

03:48:42 Speaker 278: and forestry coordinator, to speak about

03:48:45 Speaker 278: the parking, pay parking options for

03:48:47 Speaker 278: rail trails. Welcome. Sorry, just before

03:48:48 Speaker 278: you begin, let me just get

03:48:49 Speaker 278: a motion on the floor for

03:48:51 Speaker 278: you while you get yourself set

03:48:53 Speaker 278: up there. So it is recommended

03:48:54 Speaker 278: that Report PDR CW forty four

03:48:56 Speaker 278: twenty five be received, and that

03:48:58 Speaker 278: no paid parking system for county-owned

03:49:00 Speaker 278: parking lots along the rail trail

03:49:04 Speaker 278: and county forest be implemented at

03:49:05 Speaker 281: this time. Is there a mover

03:49:08 Speaker 278: for that? Moved by the deputy

03:49:11 Speaker 278: warden, seconded by Councillor Eccles. It's

03:49:13 Speaker 278: now on the floor for discussion.

03:49:14 Speaker 278: Welcome. The floor is yours. Thank

03:49:16 Speaker 278: you, Warden. Good afternoon, Council. So

03:49:18 Speaker 278: I have the opportunity this afternoon

03:49:21 Speaker 278: to talk to you about paid

03:49:22 Speaker 278: parking options. Very riveting conversation. Just

03:49:25 Speaker 278: for a little bit of background,

03:49:26 Speaker 278: as Council will remember, in March

03:49:32 Speaker 278: earlier this year, staff were directed

03:49:34 Speaker 278: to bring back a report containing.

03:49:36 Speaker 278: options for parking revenue options along

03:49:37 Speaker 278: Gray County rail trail systems. So

03:49:41 Speaker 278: Gray County has forty-five forest properties

03:49:43 Speaker 282: as well as seventy-seven kilometres of

03:49:47 Speaker 278: trail that are spread across almost

03:49:50 Speaker 278: all of the municipalities, saving except

03:49:51 Speaker 278: for Hanover. And relative to the

03:49:53 Speaker 278: volume of these recreational problem or

03:49:56 Speaker 278: properties, there are not many county-owned

03:49:58 Speaker 278: parking areas that serve them. As

03:50:01 Speaker 278: we noted in the winter months

03:50:03 Speaker 278: this past season. the cost to

03:50:05 Speaker 278: maintain these parking areas is particularly

03:50:07 Speaker 278: high, and it can range anywhere

03:50:10 Speaker 278: from twenty to twenty-five thousand dollars

03:50:12 Speaker 278: in in any given year. So,

03:50:14 Speaker 278: we were asked to look at

03:50:16 Speaker 278: options regarding increased revenue, including paid

03:50:18 Speaker 278: parking. So, for the purposes of

03:50:20 Speaker 278: this staff report, we evaluated only

03:50:22 Speaker 278: properties that had what were established

03:50:28 Speaker 278: parking areas. and the qualifiers for

03:50:29 Speaker 278: what as what what an established

03:50:31 Speaker 278: parking area was that it wasn't

03:50:33 Speaker 278: simply roadside parking, it wasn't simply

03:50:34 Speaker 278: an entrance where you could pull

03:50:37 Speaker 278: in, and it wasn't the space

03:50:39 Speaker 278: had to accommodate more than two

03:50:40 Speaker 278: vehicles and that the property was

03:50:41 Speaker 278: owned and maintained by the county.

03:50:43 Speaker 278: So, out of all of the

03:50:45 Speaker 278: forest properties, there were four that

03:50:47 Speaker 278: were identified as meeting that criteria,

03:50:49 Speaker 278: and then along the rail trail,

03:50:51 Speaker 278: there was also. two. So within

03:50:52 Speaker 278: our Gray County forest properties, that

03:50:54 Speaker 278: included Harkway, Lily Oak, Camp Oliver,

03:50:56 Speaker 278: and Calapoor, and then along the

03:50:58 Speaker 278: rail trail, there was the newly

03:51:00 Speaker 278: established lot that was built in

03:51:05 Speaker 278: 2023 at Gray Road 18 in

03:51:06 Speaker 278: Rockford, and then the Markdale lot,

03:51:08 Speaker 278: which is right off Gray Road

03:51:11 Speaker 278: 12 or Main Street. I also

03:51:12 Speaker 278: want to acknowledge that there are

03:51:15 Speaker 278: a number of non-county-owned properties that

03:51:17 Speaker 278: help facilitate park. Or sorry, non-county.

03:51:20 Speaker 278: Sorry, non-county-owned properties that also help

03:51:24 Speaker 278: facilitate parking in some of these

03:51:26 Speaker 278: areas, as well as municipal lots

03:51:29 Speaker 278: and and organisations that participate. But

03:51:32 Speaker 278: for the purposes of this report,

03:51:33 Speaker 278: we were only going to be

03:51:36 Speaker 278: dealing with these six here. Now,

03:51:40 Speaker 278: in light of the fact that

03:51:42 Speaker 278: we've got a really big agenda

03:51:44 Speaker 278: today and we've already had a

03:51:45 Speaker 278: long morning, I'm not going to

03:51:47 Speaker 278: and that I wrote a really

03:51:51 Speaker 278: epic report for you. I'm not

03:51:53 Speaker 278: going to go into any great

03:51:54 Speaker 278: detail in. reviewing each of these

03:51:56 Speaker 278: parking lots one by one, but

03:51:58 Speaker 278: I do simply want to highlight

03:51:59 Speaker 278: the fact that the analysis of

03:52:02 Speaker 278: those these lots in particular established

03:52:04 Speaker 278: that if we were to move

03:52:06 Speaker 278: forward with a paid parking system,

03:52:07 Speaker 278: only really three of them should

03:52:10 Speaker 283: be considered, and those would be

03:52:14 Speaker 283: Calipor, Rockford, and Markdale. And this

03:52:17 Speaker 278: was for the rationale that they

03:52:20 Speaker 278: had a certain level of maintenance

03:52:21 Speaker 278: and they were known to have

03:52:23 Speaker 278: a higher. use, Markdale, Markdale, and

03:52:26 Speaker 278: Calipor in particular are have been

03:52:30 Speaker 278: maintained in the past in winter

03:52:31 Speaker 278: months, and then again, Rockford was

03:52:33 Speaker 278: just recently constructed in 2023, but

03:52:35 Speaker 278: it has not to date been

03:52:37 Speaker 278: maintained in the winter months. So,

03:52:40 Speaker 278: jumping ahead in my report, I

03:52:43 Speaker 278: we wanted to look at comparators

03:52:44 Speaker 278: that were in within our area.

03:52:48 Speaker 278: Staff reached out to neighbouring. counties,

03:52:51 Speaker 278: our lower tiers, and the CAs

03:52:53 Speaker 278: that have properties within our boundaries.

03:52:54 Speaker 278: None of our neighbouring counties, and

03:52:57 Speaker 278: that included Bruce Simco and Dufferin,

03:53:01 Speaker 278: had paid parking programmemes for

03:53:04 Speaker 278: any of their recreational properties. Of

03:53:05 Speaker 278: the lower tiers within Gray, Blue

03:53:07 Speaker 278: Mountains, Meaford, and On Sound, all

03:53:09 Speaker 278: had some sort of payment parking

03:53:12 Speaker 278: related to recreational areas. And then

03:53:14 Speaker 278: all three of the CAs that

03:53:16 Speaker 278: have properties within Gray County had

03:53:17 Speaker 278: some sort of payment programme in

03:53:21 Speaker 278: place. So I just want to

03:53:22 Speaker 278: have a little caveat here. I

03:53:25 Speaker 278: do highlight a number of different

03:53:28 Speaker 278: apps that these organisations in the

03:53:29 Speaker 278: next couple of slides use for

03:53:31 Speaker 278: payment. I'm by no means an

03:53:34 Speaker 278: expert on any of these, but

03:53:35 Speaker 278: simply that they are the vessel

03:53:37 Speaker 278: that they they use to collect

03:53:39 Speaker 278: payment and issue receipts. Within my

03:53:41 Speaker 278: report, there is some values that

03:53:43 Speaker 278: have been provided regarding certain apps,

03:53:48 Speaker 278: but for this analysis, I'm not

03:53:51 Speaker 278: going to go into any great

03:53:53 Speaker 278: level of detail. just simply what

03:53:54 Speaker 278: app they use. So for the

03:53:56 Speaker 278: town of the Blue Mountains, they

03:53:57 Speaker 284: have a parking programme in place

03:54:03 Speaker 278: for non-residents. It is it is

03:54:06 Speaker 278: not for all lots, and not

03:54:07 Speaker 278: all lots are the same rate.

03:54:09 Speaker 278: For example, I believe their waterfront

03:54:10 Speaker 278: lot or properties or that are

03:54:13 Speaker 278: used for access to waterfront properties

03:54:15 Speaker 285: are more than what an in-town

03:54:18 Speaker 285: lot may cost. They use what's

03:54:20 Speaker 285: called the Honk mobile app. and

03:54:21 Speaker 278: yeah, I think that's all for

03:54:25 Speaker 278: Blue Mountains. The municipality of Meaford

03:54:27 Speaker 278: also uses Honk, and it's used

03:54:29 Speaker 286: at Memorial Park only, and it

03:54:35 Speaker 286: is for non-residents as well. It

03:54:36 Speaker 278: is in effect from May first

03:54:38 Speaker 278: to October thirty first. The city

03:54:40 Speaker 278: of Owen Sound a little bit

03:54:42 Speaker 278: different, but they have camping at

03:54:44 Speaker 278: both Harrison Park and Castle Beach

03:54:47 Speaker 278: Park at certain times of the

03:54:49 Speaker 278: year. They require bookings, and

03:54:54 Speaker 278: those bookings would allow for the

03:54:56 Speaker 278: camping as well as parking associated

03:54:59 Speaker 278: with that. And then they also

03:55:00 Speaker 278: have free parking spots for visitors

03:55:02 Speaker 278: and day users at those

03:55:04 Speaker 278: properties as well. Also, we've learned

03:55:06 Speaker 278: that in twenty twenty five there

03:55:09 Speaker 278: will be a paid parking pass

03:55:10 Speaker 278: for the fishing derby, so it'll

03:55:13 Speaker 278: be interesting to hear how that

03:55:15 Speaker 278: turns out this year. For the

03:55:17 Speaker 278: conservation authorities, they seem to have

03:55:19 Speaker 278: had a. lot, or this programmemes

03:55:22 Speaker 278: in effect for a little bit

03:55:26 Speaker 278: longer. For example, Grace Sauble has

03:55:28 Speaker 287: had some sort of paid programme,

03:55:31 Speaker 287: parking programme in place since 2012.

03:55:33 Speaker 287: Each of the three municipalities that

03:55:35 Speaker 278: we spoke with all started with

03:55:38 Speaker 278: a company called McKay Pay, and

03:55:41 Speaker 278: then once that company closed, they

03:55:43 Speaker 278: have all adopted slightly different models.

03:55:44 Speaker 278: Grace Sauble has had paid parking

03:55:46 Speaker 278: at has paid parking at many

03:55:48 Speaker 278: of its properties. some of

03:55:50 Speaker 278: which have staff members at peak

03:55:52 Speaker 278: times. They have gates and booths,

03:55:55 Speaker 278: and some are not manned at

03:55:57 Speaker 278: all, and they just use QR

03:56:00 Speaker 278: codes. They use Square, and then

03:56:02 Speaker 278: we also additionally asked each conservation

03:56:05 Speaker 278: authority if they did any winter

03:56:06 Speaker 278: maintenance at these lots. And so,

03:56:08 Speaker 278: Gray Sable indicated that they do

03:56:10 Speaker 278: winter maintenance at their administration building

03:56:13 Speaker 288: as well as Ingles Falls, and

03:56:17 Speaker 288: then they have. partnerships with clubs

03:56:20 Speaker 288: and organisations for a few of

03:56:22 Speaker 288: their other properties. Zogean Valley doesn't

03:56:24 Speaker 288: have a paid parking programme, but

03:56:25 Speaker 289: they have started a programme called

03:56:30 Speaker 289: like a membership programme. I believe

03:56:31 Speaker 289: this was so that there wasn't

03:56:32 Speaker 289: an expectation of a level of

03:56:33 Speaker 290: service that for parking areas. They

03:56:39 Speaker 290: do not use an app; they

03:56:41 Speaker 290: simply have QR codes that would

03:56:42 Speaker 290: then direct an individual right directly

03:56:58 Speaker 224: to their website to pay. And

03:57:01 Speaker 224: in the winter months, they maintain.

03:57:02 Speaker 224: three of their parking areas. NVCA

03:57:04 Speaker 224: charges for parking at their conservation

03:57:07 Speaker 224: parking lots. They use the Hot

03:57:08 Speaker 224: Spot app, and in the winter

03:57:10 Speaker 224: months, maintain two of their parking

03:57:12 Speaker 224: lots and have one plowed by

03:57:16 Speaker 224: a contractor. So, in addition to

03:57:17 Speaker 224: the comparators, staff also reached out

03:57:21 Speaker 224: to the health unit regarding the

03:57:23 Speaker 224: impacts of introducing a paid parking

03:57:26 Speaker 224: programme as it relates to equity

03:57:29 Speaker 224: and health. They did provide comments

03:57:32 Speaker 224: that it would it could introduce

03:57:34 Speaker 224: a barrier for some some users.

03:57:36 Speaker 224: And in addition to this, they

03:57:38 Speaker 224: provided a comment indicating that there

03:57:40 Speaker 224: was supporting evidence that allowing equal

03:57:43 Speaker 224: access, i.e., not paid parking, to

03:57:45 Speaker 224: green spaces can be a cost

03:57:48 Speaker 224: saving to the overall healthcare system.

03:57:50 Speaker 224: So, based on what we know

03:57:52 Speaker 224: about the comparators, which is kind

03:57:54 Speaker 224: of difficult to call them comparators

03:57:56 Speaker 224: because they aren't direct comparators with

03:57:58 Speaker 224: the county, knowing that we offer

03:58:00 Speaker 224: very different things. Most of the

03:58:03 Speaker 224: comparators that we have, I've noted

03:58:06 Speaker 224: here, have considerably different amenities available

03:58:10 Speaker 224: as well as features. Staff are

03:58:12 Speaker 224: of the also, as I noted,

03:58:16 Speaker 224: are of the opinion that there

03:58:17 Speaker 224: are only certain lots; those three

03:58:20 Speaker 224: highlighted before: Calapoor, Markdale, and Rockford,

03:58:22 Speaker 224: that should be considered as part

03:58:24 Speaker 291: of a paid parking programme. Should

03:58:28 Speaker 292: have thought about that before I

03:58:32 Speaker 292: started. It's the tongue twister. So

03:58:34 Speaker 292: what we need to consider is

03:58:37 Speaker 292: staff would also need direction on

03:58:39 Speaker 292: whether or not the programme would

03:58:42 Speaker 292: be for visitors or all users.

03:58:45 Speaker 292: So residents versus non-residents. Would parking

03:58:48 Speaker 292: programmemes be for the entire year

03:58:51 Speaker 292: or only certain months? What would

03:58:54 Speaker 292: the impact to staff be to

03:58:58 Speaker 292: implement, monitor, and enforce a programme

03:59:00 Speaker 292: like this? and would the programme

03:59:03 Speaker 292: sustain itself or provide meaningful revenue

03:59:05 Speaker 292: at this time? Staff are of

03:59:06 Speaker 292: the opinion that, based on the

03:59:09 Speaker 292: research provided in the in this

03:59:11 Speaker 292: report, that there are not sufficient

03:59:14 Speaker 292: amenities, natural features, and estimate an

03:59:15 Speaker 292: estimated tourism traffic to justify implementation

03:59:17 Speaker 292: of a paid parking programme at

03:59:20 Speaker 292: this time. Within the report, there

03:59:23 Speaker 292: was also discussion regarding other options

03:59:26 Speaker 292: for parking revenue, which included a

03:59:28 Speaker 292: membership programme like SVCA or a

03:59:29 Speaker 292: voluntary. pay what you can programme,

03:59:32 Speaker 292: however, for similar reasons related to

03:59:35 Speaker 292: the research completed for paid parking,

03:59:37 Speaker 292: staff are not recommending these alternative

03:59:39 Speaker 292: options either. So, in conclusion, the

03:59:42 Speaker 292: recommendation is that this report be

03:59:46 Speaker 292: received and that no paid parking

03:59:49 Speaker 292: system be implemented at this time.

03:59:50 Speaker 292: And I'm happy to take any

03:59:52 Speaker 292: questions. Okay, thank you very much.

03:59:54 Speaker 292: And so, for that, I will

03:59:58 Speaker 292: put it out to committee. The

04:00:00 Speaker 293: whole members for questions. regarding the

04:00:03 Speaker 293: report. Not seeing any hands go

04:00:04 Speaker 294: up. And Madam Clerk, can I

04:00:06 Speaker 295: just confirm no hands up virtually

04:00:10 Speaker 296: as well? Okay, no hands virtually

04:00:14 Speaker 297: as well. So with that, then

04:00:17 Speaker 297: because of all the. the epic

04:00:18 Speaker 297: details that you put in your

04:00:19 Speaker 297: report, looks like we're ready to

04:00:20 Speaker 297: call the question. So I'll ask

04:00:23 Speaker 297: all those in favour, and that

04:00:24 Speaker 297: motion is carried. Thank you very

04:00:25 Speaker 297: much. Okay, so we'll now move

04:00:26 Speaker 297: on to Director Shaw, who will

04:00:28 Speaker 298: be introducing item seven C. I'll

04:00:31 Speaker 298: look for a recommendation that report

04:00:32 Speaker 10: CSR CW twelve twenty five regarding

04:00:35 Speaker 10: affordable housing funding for Lutheran Social

04:00:37 Speaker 10: Services affordable. housing to be a

04:00:39 Speaker 10: build be received and that Gray

04:00:42 Speaker 10: County enter into an agreement with

04:00:44 Speaker 10: Luther Lutheran Social Services Owensound Inc

04:00:47 Speaker 10: for one point six million dollars

04:00:49 Speaker 10: in affordable housing funds for forty

04:00:51 Speaker 10: units of affordable and market housing

04:00:53 Speaker 10: and that upon occupancy Gray County

04:00:55 Speaker 10: enter into an agreement for the

04:00:58 Speaker 10: operating funds a total of one

04:01:00 Speaker 10: point four million to be dispersed

04:01:03 Speaker 10: quarterly from the county for the

04:01:05 Speaker 10: next twenty years and that the

04:01:07 Speaker 10: funding letter. be signed prior to

04:01:09 Speaker 10: county council approval in accordance with

04:01:12 Speaker 10: subsection 26.6B of the procedural bylaw

04:01:14 Speaker 10: 513422, and a bylaw be prepared

04:01:16 Speaker 10: authorising the agreements. But the agreements

04:01:20 Speaker 10: for council's consideration. May I ask

04:01:22 Speaker 10: for a mover? Okay, moved by

04:01:26 Speaker 10: Councillor Body, and seconded by Councillor

04:01:27 Speaker 10: Hutchinson. It's now on the floor

04:01:29 Speaker 10: for discussion. Welcome, Director Shaw. Thank

04:01:30 Speaker 10: you. Through you. Gordon. So good

04:01:33 Speaker 299: news. Lutheran Social Services of Owen

04:01:36 Speaker 299: Sound—they're a nonprofit housing provider in

04:01:39 Speaker 299: Owen Sound. They've been providing affordable

04:01:40 Speaker 299: housing for over 30 years, and

04:01:41 Speaker 299: their their board of directors put

04:01:43 Speaker 300: forth a proposal back in February

04:01:45 Speaker 300: of 2023 to develop 40 affordable

04:01:47 Speaker 300: and market units for seniors'

04:01:49 Speaker 301: housing in Owen Sound. They have

04:01:52 Speaker 301: been successful in obtaining. funding through

04:01:53 Speaker 301: the Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corporation

04:01:55 Speaker 301: Affordable Housing Programme, so now they

04:01:57 Speaker 301: are looking to us for the

04:01:59 Speaker 301: funding that we proposed to give

04:02:01 Speaker 302: to them back in in 2023.

04:02:03 Speaker 302: That's 1.6 million dollars in capital

04:02:06 Speaker 302: funding, and then upon occupancy, we

04:02:07 Speaker 302: would look at entering into an

04:02:09 Speaker 302: agreement with them for some operating

04:02:11 Speaker 302: funds to ensure that the project

04:02:13 Speaker 302: maintains its affordability. They are looking

04:02:15 Speaker 302: at 35 one bedrooms. and five

04:02:16 Speaker 302: two bedrooms, and 30 of the

04:02:18 Speaker 303: 40 units are going to be

04:02:21 Speaker 304: accessible, physically accessible, which is great

04:02:24 Speaker 304: for for the clientele. So I'm

04:02:26 Speaker 304: looking for permission to go ahead

04:02:28 Speaker 304: and enter into the agreement of

04:02:29 Speaker 304: 1.6 million. The Canadian Mortgage and

04:02:31 Speaker 304: Housing Corporation requires our agreement in

04:02:32 Speaker 304: order to finalize their funding. We

04:02:35 Speaker 304: will put into our agreement that

04:02:36 Speaker 304: we won't be forwarding any of

04:02:38 Speaker 304: the funds, the actual funds, until.

04:02:40 Speaker 304: they've received official notice of their

04:02:43 Speaker 304: funding from CMHC, and I'm happy

04:02:46 Speaker 304: to answer any questions. Okay, thank

04:02:48 Speaker 304: you. So with that, I'll put

04:02:50 Speaker 304: it out for questions from committee.

04:02:51 Speaker 304: The call numbers. Looking around the

04:02:54 Speaker 305: room, not seeing any hands nor

04:02:56 Speaker 305: online. Well, it appears another EFIC

04:02:58 Speaker 305: report has provided us with the

04:03:00 Speaker 305: details. So it looks like we're

04:03:02 Speaker 305: ready to call the question. Then,

04:03:04 Speaker 305: all those in favour? that motion

04:03:06 Speaker 305: is carried. Thank you very much,

04:03:08 Speaker 305: Director Shaw. And I guess you

04:03:09 Speaker 305: won't be going far. You'll be

04:03:11 Speaker 305: coming back up for another one

04:03:13 Speaker 305: shortly. Okay. So that allows us

04:03:15 Speaker 306: to move on to item seven

04:03:17 Speaker 306: D, and this is CSRCW twenty

04:03:19 Speaker 306: six twenty five. So it's recommended

04:03:20 Speaker 306: that report CSRCW twenty six twenty

04:03:22 Speaker 306: five regarding transitions to permanent housing

04:03:24 Speaker 306: pilot project be received, and that

04:03:25 Speaker 306: the warden and clerk clerk signing,

04:03:28 Speaker 306: and that the warden and clerk

04:03:30 Speaker 306: signing the funding agreement. for three

04:03:31 Speaker 306: hundred sixty-two thousand four hundred twenty

04:03:33 Speaker 306: between the Canadian Alliance to End

04:03:34 Speaker 306: Homelessness Homelessness Reduction Innovation Fund and

04:03:36 Speaker 306: the Corporation of the County of

04:03:37 Speaker 306: Grey in the form substantially provided

04:03:39 Speaker 306: in this report, and that the

04:03:40 Speaker 306: funding of three hundred sixty-two thousand

04:03:42 Speaker 306: four hundred twenty be approved for

04:03:44 Speaker 306: use in twenty twenty-five twenty-six, and

04:03:46 Speaker 306: that the agreement be signed prior

04:03:47 Speaker 306: to County Council approval in accordance

04:03:49 Speaker 306: with with Section twenty-six point. 26.6b

04:03:50 Speaker 306: of the procedural bylaw, according to

04:03:53 Speaker 92: the procedural bylaw 5134-22. May I

04:03:57 Speaker 307: ask for a mover and a

04:04:00 Speaker 308: second? Moved by Councillor Mackie, seconded

04:04:03 Speaker 308: by the Deputy Warden. It's now

04:04:05 Speaker 308: on the floor for discussion. Welcome,

04:04:06 Speaker 309: Mr. Gibson. Thank you, Warden, and

04:04:09 Speaker 309: members of Grey County Council. So

04:04:11 Speaker 309: today, I bring to you what

04:04:15 Speaker 309: I hope you'll join me in

04:04:17 Speaker 310: accepting as a good news story.

04:04:19 Speaker 310: Recently, we received an opportunity to

04:04:25 Speaker 310: apply for some project funding through

04:04:28 Speaker 311: the Canadian. Alliance Ten Homelessness. Their

04:04:30 Speaker 311: specific programme was you had to

04:04:32 Speaker 306: apply for one of two things.

04:04:36 Speaker 306: They were looking at decreasing inflow

04:04:38 Speaker 306: to the homelessness system, or they

04:04:40 Speaker 306: were looking at increasing the number

04:04:42 Speaker 306: of moveouts from the homelessness system

04:04:44 Speaker 306: locally. We qualified to apply for

04:04:46 Speaker 306: these funds because Gray County has

04:04:47 Speaker 306: a quality by names list, and

04:04:49 Speaker 306: we're connected with the Canadian Alliance

04:04:50 Speaker 306: Ten Homelessness through Built for Zero.

04:04:52 Speaker 306: So we worked with our Built

04:04:55 Speaker 306: for Zero coach on the application,

04:04:57 Speaker 306: and we decided that. based on

04:04:59 Speaker 306: the statistics we see locally, we

04:05:02 Speaker 306: were going to pursue the inflow

04:05:04 Speaker 306: decrease. And what we've specifically decided

04:05:06 Speaker 306: to tackle is the returns to

04:05:08 Speaker 306: homelessness. So a lot of times,

04:05:13 Speaker 67: when we're supporting people in moving

04:05:16 Speaker 312: from our by names list, around

04:05:19 Speaker 312: thirty percent of the time they're

04:05:20 Speaker 312: actually returning to the homelessness system

04:05:22 Speaker 312: because of a lack of supports.

04:05:23 Speaker 312: Dealing with those local landlords, getting

04:05:24 Speaker 312: them set up with appropriate referral

04:05:26 Speaker 312: services once they've been housed. So

04:05:27 Speaker 312: this pilot project is. for two

04:05:28 Speaker 312: positions to work with a total

04:05:30 Speaker 312: of 48 households off of our

04:05:31 Speaker 313: buy names list over the 12

04:05:34 Speaker 313: month period, and what they'll be

04:05:35 Speaker 314: doing is touching base with households

04:05:38 Speaker 315: three times a week at minimum.

04:05:40 Speaker 315: They'll be helping to liaise with

04:05:42 Speaker 128: the landlords to intervene in any

04:05:45 Speaker 316: issues that come up early in

04:05:47 Speaker 316: the tenancies. They'll be helping them

04:05:49 Speaker 316: connect to services like things as

04:05:50 Speaker 316: simple as making sure they have

04:05:52 Speaker 316: a phone for the entryway system,

04:05:53 Speaker 316: like things that many of us

04:05:54 Speaker 316: would. would take for granted that

04:05:56 Speaker 316: would be easy. Some people need

04:05:58 Speaker 316: support, and we're going to provide

04:06:00 Speaker 128: that support to ensure that they

04:06:03 Speaker 128: can retain their housing. So we

04:06:05 Speaker 128: think that this is going to

04:06:07 Speaker 317: provide just a really great opportunity

04:06:11 Speaker 318: to reduce those return to homelessness.

04:06:15 Speaker 219: And we've also the Canadian Alliance

04:06:18 Speaker 219: on Homelessness has been wonderful to

04:06:20 Speaker 219: work with. They encourage us to

04:06:23 Speaker 319: ask for more funding. They encourage

04:06:26 Speaker 219: us to ask for rent supplements.

04:06:29 Speaker 219: So it's going to help us

04:06:31 Speaker 219: to subsidize some of those rents.

04:06:33 Speaker 219: While they're working with staff as

04:06:34 Speaker 219: an incentive, and they also encourage

04:06:36 Speaker 219: us to ask for funding around

04:06:39 Speaker 320: some of the accessories needed to

04:06:43 Speaker 306: run a programme like this. So

04:06:46 Speaker 306: we have furnishing costs and and

04:06:48 Speaker 306: things that are really going to

04:06:49 Speaker 306: help propel this programme. Happy to

04:06:50 Speaker 306: take any questions. Okay, thank you.

04:06:52 Speaker 306: I'll look around the room, and

04:06:53 Speaker 321: we'll begin with Councillor Mackey. Thank

04:07:00 Speaker 321: you, Warden. Thanks, Josh, for the

04:07:02 Speaker 321: report. I think this is a

04:07:04 Speaker 321: great opportunity. And my only question

04:07:06 Speaker 318: is the two hundred and fifty.

04:07:08 Speaker 318: dollar engagement incentive is that really

04:07:12 Speaker 318: needed? Should it not be incentive

04:07:15 Speaker 318: enough to want to be homed

04:07:17 Speaker 318: or housed? That's my question. Thanks.

04:07:20 Speaker 318: Thanks, Councillor Mackie and through you,

04:07:22 Speaker 318: Warden. Yes, the incentive of receiving

04:07:25 Speaker 318: those supports and being housed. It

04:07:27 Speaker 318: also allows us to ease households

04:07:29 Speaker 318: into that rental situation in the

04:07:31 Speaker 318: private market. some of these rental

04:07:35 Speaker 318: costs are very high compared to

04:07:38 Speaker 318: somebody's monthly budget. So, having the

04:07:39 Speaker 318: 250 through this programme that the

04:07:41 Speaker 318: county doesn't have to bear the

04:07:44 Speaker 318: cost of is going to allow

04:07:49 Speaker 318: us that six months that we're

04:07:51 Speaker 318: working with the person to connect

04:07:55 Speaker 322: them to probably a different subsidy

04:07:57 Speaker 322: programme. We also receive funding through

04:07:59 Speaker 322: the Canada Ontario Housing Benefit

04:08:01 Speaker 322: for portable housing benefit. We will

04:08:02 Speaker 224: likely transition these households once they've

04:08:05 Speaker 224: been successful in working with staff

04:08:07 Speaker 291: to receive that benefit more. long

04:08:10 Speaker 323: term to ensure that they're sustainable

04:08:13 Speaker 324: moving forward. Any further questions? We'll

04:08:16 Speaker 324: go to Councillor Body. Just a

04:08:18 Speaker 324: comment. Here's one more programme that

04:08:21 Speaker 324: we're adding to the list of

04:08:23 Speaker 324: programmemes that Grey County leads on.

04:08:25 Speaker 324: You know, we go to AIMO

04:08:26 Speaker 324: and we hear from other experts

04:08:29 Speaker 324: that tell us what we need

04:08:31 Speaker 324: to do or what they want

04:08:35 Speaker 324: to do in their municipality, and

04:08:37 Speaker 324: we're doing all of them already.

04:08:39 Speaker 324: And this is just one more

04:08:43 Speaker 324: that has got to help. And

04:08:45 Speaker 324: I hope our public. in our

04:08:48 Speaker 324: community of Gray County, realizes that

04:08:51 Speaker 324: that we're doing these types of

04:08:53 Speaker 324: things, and frankly, leading so many

04:08:56 Speaker 324: other municipalities. And I think you

04:08:58 Speaker 324: can always find somebody homelessness. I'm

04:09:00 Speaker 324: not saying that they're not in

04:09:01 Speaker 324: the street. I'm not saying that

04:09:04 Speaker 324: we'd love to help each and

04:09:07 Speaker 324: every one of them. But I

04:09:08 Speaker 324: think we're doing better. And you

04:09:11 Speaker 324: go to other communities, as we

04:09:13 Speaker 324: will see this weekend in Ottawa

04:09:15 Speaker 324: and other places, that we're

04:09:18 Speaker 324: really doing well. And it

04:09:21 Speaker 324: would be much worse without these

04:09:22 Speaker 324: programmemes. So this is good to

04:09:25 Speaker 324: see. Thanks. Thank you. Any other

04:09:28 Speaker 324: comments, Councillor Gray? My only question

04:09:29 Speaker 324: is, funding. This would appear to

04:09:31 Speaker 324: be a flow through through a

04:09:32 Speaker 325: federal programme through the Canadian Alliance

04:09:36 Speaker 325: to End Homelessness. Are we certainly

04:09:38 Speaker 325: comfortable that they've got multi years

04:09:39 Speaker 290: commitments from the federal government that

04:09:42 Speaker 290: there's nothing that's There's nothing that

04:09:47 Speaker 326: could leave us potentially on the

04:09:50 Speaker 327: hook here. That funding envelope was

04:09:54 Speaker 328: to be discontinued by higher level

04:09:57 Speaker 328: government. Thank you, Councillor, and through

04:09:58 Speaker 328: you, Warden. The pilot is only

04:10:00 Speaker 328: a 12 month pilot, so we're

04:10:01 Speaker 328: we're very confident they have the

04:10:03 Speaker 329: funds for that portion of it.

04:10:07 Speaker 329: And whether or not it becomes

04:10:10 Speaker 329: recurring is something that we'll have

04:10:12 Speaker 329: to have to see. Okay. Thank

04:10:14 Speaker 329: you. Not seeing any further hands.

04:10:17 Speaker 329: then it's been moved and seconded,

04:10:20 Speaker 329: and we've heard the discussion. All

04:10:22 Speaker 329: those in favour? That motion is

04:10:25 Speaker 329: carried. Thank you. And we'll call

04:10:27 Speaker 329: upon Director Shaw again for Item

04:10:30 Speaker 329: Seven E. It's recommended that Report

04:10:37 Speaker 329: CSR CW fourteen twenty five regarding

04:10:39 Speaker 329: Architectural Services for Early On Redevelopment

04:10:39 Speaker 329: be received, and that JPM Architecture

04:10:41 Speaker 329: Inc be awarded the Architectural Services

04:10:42 Speaker 329: Project for the Redevelopment of the

04:10:44 Speaker 329: Early On Centre East. Of the

04:10:46 Speaker 329: early on centre in Hanover, in

04:10:48 Speaker 329: the amount of 119,750, excluses of

04:10:49 Speaker 329: HST, and that the architectural fees

04:10:51 Speaker 329: be funded from the early on

04:10:53 Speaker 329: reserve fund, and that the the

04:10:55 Speaker 292: services be awarded prior to county

04:10:58 Speaker 292: council approval in accordance with section

04:11:00 Speaker 292: 26.6B of the procedural bylaw, according

04:11:03 Speaker 292: to the procedural bylaw 5134.22. So

04:11:05 Speaker 292: with that, may I ask for

04:11:06 Speaker 292: a mover? Moved by Councillor Dicker,

04:11:08 Speaker 290: seconded by Councillor Carleton. It's now

04:11:15 Speaker 290: on the floor for discussion, and

04:11:17 Speaker 290: more good news and progress for

04:11:19 Speaker 290: Early On. Director Shaw, over to

04:11:20 Speaker 330: you. Thank you, and through you,

04:11:25 Speaker 330: Warden. So we're back again, May

04:11:26 Speaker 330: the eighth. Council approved the acquisition

04:11:28 Speaker 330: of the land located in Hanover

04:11:29 Speaker 330: on Seventeenth Street Crescent for the

04:11:31 Speaker 14: redevelopment of our Early On Centre.

04:11:33 Speaker 14: The one that we have in

04:11:36 Speaker 14: Hanover right now is not. meeting

04:11:39 Speaker 14: our needs. We it is our

04:11:41 Speaker 14: largest and most attended. Early on,

04:11:43 Speaker 14: the land was acquired on June

04:11:46 Speaker 14: 16th, and we issued a

04:11:52 Speaker 14: request for proposal on June 16th

04:11:56 Speaker 14: for architectural services. We received six

04:11:58 Speaker 14: bids on the project, and the

04:12:00 Speaker 14: selected bid was JPM Architecture at

04:12:02 Speaker 14: one hundred and nineteen thousand seven

04:12:05 Speaker 14: hundred and fifty dollars, excluding

04:12:07 Speaker 14: HST. JPM JST, JPM Architecture

04:12:10 Speaker 14: is formally Allen Davis Architects. They're

04:12:13 Speaker 14: a local firm out of Godrich.

04:12:15 Speaker 14: We've worked with them before. They

04:12:17 Speaker 14: have experience in early on in

04:12:20 Speaker 14: childcare projects, and we're very happy

04:12:22 Speaker 14: and pleased to be happy

04:12:25 Speaker 14: to be working with them

04:12:27 Speaker 14: again. The project will progress through

04:12:30 Speaker 14: following a few phases, such as

04:12:32 Speaker 14: the schematic design and design development,

04:12:34 Speaker 14: construction documents, the tendering services, construction

04:12:36 Speaker 14: contract administration, and of course the

04:12:38 Speaker 14: construction closeout. We are asking that

04:12:41 Speaker 14: we move ahead before the September

04:12:43 Speaker 14: 11th because we'd like to get

04:12:45 Speaker 14: going, and we want to be

04:12:47 Speaker 14: able to start this build in

04:12:49 Speaker 14: the spring as soon as possible.

04:12:51 Speaker 14: Okay, thank you. I'll look around

04:12:54 Speaker 14: the room to see if there

04:12:56 Speaker 14: are questions and comments for

04:12:58 Speaker 14: you. Okay, not seeing. Oh, yes,

04:13:01 Speaker 14: Councillor Eccles. Thank you, and through

04:13:03 Speaker 14: to you, Miss Shaw. Are we

04:13:05 Speaker 14: going to be doing any more

04:13:08 Speaker 14: of the early on? How many

04:13:10 Speaker 14: buildings do we have other than

04:13:13 Speaker 14: this one? We do have a

04:13:16 Speaker 14: few. I guess where I'm going

04:13:18 Speaker 14: with the question is through the

04:13:19 Speaker 14: paramedic services and our and our

04:13:23 Speaker 14: ambulance. We've basically come up with

04:13:26 Speaker 14: a here's a cutter box. We're

04:13:28 Speaker 14: building one right now, and in

04:13:29 Speaker 14: West Grey, one proposed coming up

04:13:31 Speaker 14: in Grey Highlands, and there's. Great

04:13:33 Speaker 331: Highlands, and it's pretty much bang

04:13:40 Speaker 331: bang. Here it is, architect engineering.

04:13:42 Speaker 332: This is what we have. Just

04:13:45 Speaker 333: wondering whether that process could be

04:13:48 Speaker 333: emulated going forward for early on

04:13:50 Speaker 333: buildings. So the county has

04:13:53 Speaker 333: only one. This is the

04:13:55 Speaker 333: only one that we own, but

04:13:56 Speaker 333: we do run them in other

04:13:58 Speaker 333: areas. But we have other social

04:14:00 Speaker 333: services or children services that

04:14:03 Speaker 247: run them. Certainly, when we're looking

04:14:06 Speaker 247: at developing this, we could make

04:14:10 Speaker 247: sure that we build. something that

04:14:11 Speaker 247: would be appropriate for other early

04:14:13 Speaker 247: ons. This one will be two

04:14:15 Speaker 247: classrooms and some offices and play

04:14:17 Speaker 247: area and whatnot. So certainly could

04:14:21 Speaker 247: be replicated. At this point, we

04:14:24 Speaker 247: don't have any future ideas of

04:14:27 Speaker 247: building another early on, just replacing

04:14:29 Speaker 247: the one that we have. We're

04:14:31 Speaker 247: only required to have the one.

04:14:33 Speaker 247: Okay. Any other questions? Not seeing

04:14:36 Speaker 247: anything further, so I'll call

04:14:40 Speaker 247: the question. All those.

04:14:44 Speaker 247: in favour, and that motion is

04:14:45 Speaker 247: carried. Thank you very much, Director

04:14:47 Speaker 247: Shaw. Okay. So this next one,

04:14:49 Speaker 247: I'll give the clerk a moment

04:14:52 Speaker 247: to go to the lectern while

04:14:53 Speaker 334: I look for a mover and

04:14:58 Speaker 334: a seconder. Item seven F.

04:15:01 Speaker 334: It's recommended that the Gray County

04:15:03 Speaker 334: Joint Accessibility Advisory Committee meeting

04:15:05 Speaker 334: minutes, dated July seventeenth, twenty twenty-five,

04:15:07 Speaker 334: be adopted as presented, and the

04:15:10 Speaker 334: following resolutions contained therein be endorsed.

04:15:12 Speaker 334: Number one, that that report. CCRJAAC0725

04:15:15 Speaker 247: regarding the updated accessible customer service

04:15:18 Speaker 247: policy be received, and that number

04:15:21 Speaker 247: two policy five dash one the

04:15:24 Speaker 247: accessible customer service policy be amended

04:15:26 Speaker 247: as outlined in this report by

04:15:29 Speaker 247: amending the policy statement including grade

04:15:32 Speaker 247: transit route considerations, incorporating assistive devices

04:15:35 Speaker 247: and noting expanded training requirements, and

04:15:37 Speaker 247: number three that in consideration of

04:15:41 Speaker 247: staff report. CS twenty five zero

04:15:43 Speaker 247: seven eight respecting playground replacement at

04:15:46 Speaker 247: Owen at Owen Heights and Comeret

04:15:48 Speaker 247: Park, the Gray County Joint Accessibility

04:15:50 Speaker 247: Advisory Committee review the proposed playground

04:15:52 Speaker 247: replacements and provide advice to the

04:15:55 Speaker 247: City of Owensound in respect to

04:15:56 Speaker 247: accessibility of the proposed layout and

04:15:59 Speaker 247: design of the two new playgrounds.

04:16:00 Speaker 247: And number four, that the report

04:16:03 Speaker 247: Flesherton Connecting Link be presented to

04:16:04 Speaker 247: the Gray County Joint Accessibility Advisory.

04:16:07 Speaker 247: Committee for review and comment, and

04:16:09 Speaker 247: provide input on the need for

04:16:12 Speaker 247: and design and replacement of

04:16:15 Speaker 247: rest areas, and number five that

04:16:20 Speaker 247: the report, Lawrence Street sidewalk addition,

04:16:23 Speaker 247: be received, and number six that

04:16:25 Speaker 247: the Gray County Joint Accessibility Advisory

04:16:27 Speaker 247: Committee provides input on the need

04:16:30 Speaker 247: for and design and placement of

04:16:33 Speaker 247: rest areas for the installation of

04:16:34 Speaker 247: the new concrete sidewalk, and number

04:16:35 Speaker 247: seven that the Tallahatchie Mountains Multi-Year

04:16:41 Speaker 247: Accessibility Plan, twenty twenty-five twenty. Plan

04:16:43 Speaker 247: 2025-26 be presented to the Gray

04:16:45 Speaker 247: County Joint Accessibility Advisory Committee for

04:16:46 Speaker 247: review and comment, and number eight

04:16:48 Speaker 335: that the City of Owensound staff

04:16:51 Speaker 335: report DA 25005 be received for

04:17:01 Speaker 336: information. May I ask for a

04:17:06 Speaker 336: mover and a seconder? Thank you.

04:17:07 Speaker 336: Moved by Councillor Greg, seconded

04:17:10 Speaker 329: by Councillor Keaveny. It's on the

04:17:13 Speaker 329: floor for discussion. Madam Clerk, over

04:17:21 Speaker 337: to you. Thank you, Madam Warden.

04:17:25 Speaker 337: Through you, the Gray County

04:17:27 Speaker 247: Joint Accessibility Advisory Committee met on

04:17:30 Speaker 247: July 17th. The first item up

04:17:33 Speaker 247: for business was amendments to the

04:17:35 Speaker 247: accessible accessible customer service policy. Those

04:17:38 Speaker 247: reflected some housekeeping updates required to

04:17:41 Speaker 247: the policy as part of the

04:17:44 Speaker 247: regular five-year review cycle. The updates

04:17:45 Speaker 247: did include adding GTR considerations and

04:17:46 Speaker 247: elabourating on training requirements, and including

04:17:48 Speaker 247: the assistive devices available for use.

04:17:51 Speaker 247: There was discussion on the new

04:17:56 Speaker 247: playground design at Comrade Park and

04:17:58 Speaker 338: Owen Heights Park in Owen Sound.

04:18:04 Speaker 339: The new playgrounds will include accessible

04:18:07 Speaker 339: and sensory play features, and access

04:18:10 Speaker 340: and access pathway, picnic and seating

04:18:13 Speaker 340: areas. It will include engineered wood

04:18:15 Speaker 340: fiber surface on the ground of

04:18:18 Speaker 340: the playground, and there were questions

04:18:20 Speaker 341: and comments regarding the location of

04:18:24 Speaker 342: accessible swings within the city and

04:18:26 Speaker 343: the accessibility of the wood fiber.

04:18:28 Speaker 343: material, the accessibleplaygroundsontario.ca website was a

04:18:31 Speaker 343: resource that was cited, I believe,

04:18:33 Speaker 343: from Councillor Greg. That's a it's

04:18:35 Speaker 343: a really great resource for anyone

04:18:37 Speaker 343: looking for accessible playgrounds across the

04:18:39 Speaker 343: province. There's a lot of really

04:18:42 Speaker 340: good information on that website. The

04:18:46 Speaker 344: Fleischerton Connecting Link project was discussed.

04:18:54 Speaker 345: This was in Grey Highlands, and

04:18:56 Speaker 346: the reconstruction project included intersection. improvements

04:18:59 Speaker 346: at Grey Road Four and Toronto

04:19:02 Speaker 346: Street, and the reconstruction of 600

04:19:06 Speaker 346: metres of Toronto Road and Sydney

04:19:07 Speaker 347: Street in Flusherton. Due to this

04:19:10 Speaker 247: constraint in space in that vicinity,

04:19:15 Speaker 247: there were no accessible parking on

04:19:20 Speaker 247: street parking spaces able to be

04:19:22 Speaker 247: incorporated into that design. But there

04:19:25 Speaker 247: is an exemption in the legislation

04:19:28 Speaker 247: that speaks to small spaces where

04:19:30 Speaker 247: those accessible parking spaces can't be

04:19:33 Speaker 247: accommodated, so that was relied upon

04:19:36 Speaker 247: in this case. The Lawrence Street

04:19:43 Speaker 348: Sidewalk Addition in Markdale included installation

04:19:47 Speaker 348: of a sidewalk on Lawrence Street

04:19:48 Speaker 348: between McDuff and Wellington. There were

04:19:51 Speaker 349: no comments heard regarding the placement

04:19:55 Speaker 349: or need for rest areas along

04:19:56 Speaker 349: the stretch of sidewalk. There will

04:20:01 Speaker 349: also be tactile plates incorporated into

04:20:03 Speaker 349: the sidewalk as well. The Town

04:20:04 Speaker 349: of Blue Mountains Multi-Year Accessibility Plan

04:20:06 Speaker 349: came forward for review. and there

04:20:09 Speaker 349: was information shared on the Enhancing

04:20:10 Speaker 349: Access to Spaces for Everyone

04:20:12 Speaker 349: Grant, which provides up to sixty

04:20:15 Speaker 349: thousand dollars for projects that improve

04:20:18 Speaker 349: accessibility and lifestyle, active lifestyles supports

04:20:20 Speaker 349: for people with disabilities. That is

04:20:22 Speaker 349: available to municipalities for sure. I

04:20:25 Speaker 349: think only one one application per

04:20:27 Speaker 349: municipality is able to be submitted.

04:20:33 Speaker 349: There was also a report on.

04:20:35 Speaker 349: the site plan application at twenty

04:20:38 Speaker 349: two sixty one Ninth Ave East

04:20:42 Speaker 349: in North Sound that came forward

04:20:45 Speaker 349: for information as well. Okay, thank

04:20:46 Speaker 349: you very much for that explanation.

04:20:48 Speaker 349: So with that, we'll put it

04:20:50 Speaker 349: out in case there are any

04:20:53 Speaker 349: questions from committee of the whole.

04:20:56 Speaker 349: Seeing any? Oh yes, sorry, Councillor

04:20:58 Speaker 349: Arakels. Thank you, Madam Morgan. Through

04:21:01 Speaker 349: you to the committee itself, and

04:21:02 Speaker 349: it's more on the committee structure.

04:21:09 Speaker 349: Are all municipalities represented on this

04:21:12 Speaker 349: committee, or is it a requirement?

04:21:14 Speaker 349: Thank you. So, in Gray County,

04:21:15 Speaker 349: there are all municipalities are represented,

04:21:17 Speaker 350: with the exception of. Chatsworth and

04:21:20 Speaker 350: Meaford, I believe. Meaford has its

04:21:21 Speaker 350: own committee, and Chatsworth isn't large

04:21:23 Speaker 350: enough to require one under the

04:21:25 Speaker 350: legislation. The others have the option

04:21:28 Speaker 350: of having their own or making

04:21:29 Speaker 350: a joint committee. So that is

04:21:32 Speaker 350: the case for the rest of

04:21:35 Speaker 350: them. As plies have decided, with

04:21:37 Speaker 350: the newest member being Owensound to

04:21:39 Speaker 350: join the joint committee and fulfil

04:21:42 Speaker 350: that requirement. And just one little

04:21:44 Speaker 350: further question, because there's some

04:21:47 Speaker 350: committees have been on lately have

04:21:48 Speaker 350: been challenged on governance abilities and

04:21:50 Speaker 350: and some of the minutes that

04:21:52 Speaker 350: they have. It's just on the

04:21:55 Speaker 350: way this committee was adjourned. At

04:21:57 Speaker 350: the bottom, it was on a

04:21:59 Speaker 350: motion from the chair. I just

04:22:01 Speaker 350: kind of strange. I've never seen

04:22:03 Speaker 350: that. done in any of our

04:22:05 Speaker 350: other committees. It's always been, as

04:22:06 Speaker 350: county council, a motion from some

04:22:08 Speaker 350: of the committee members. But this

04:22:10 Speaker 350: one is just—it's not that the

04:22:13 Speaker 350: chair declared it. By the way,

04:22:15 Speaker 350: this is—it's just—it's on a motion

04:22:16 Speaker 350: by the chair. Any comment on

04:22:18 Speaker 350: that? Should be that somebody else

04:22:21 Speaker 350: seconded it. I would have to

04:22:22 Speaker 350: actually go back to see what

04:22:25 Speaker 350: this may be, either a template

04:22:27 Speaker 350: concern or a meeting with mechanic

04:22:30 Speaker 350: concern. I have to go back

04:22:32 Speaker 350: and look at the video. I

04:22:35 Speaker 350: think either the chair would have

04:22:38 Speaker 350: declared it, and then absent any

04:22:40 Speaker 350: opposition from members, under unanimous consent,

04:22:42 Speaker 350: it would. have been considered adjourned.

04:22:45 Speaker 350: But I would agree with you

04:22:46 Speaker 350: that that the terminology there on

04:22:48 Speaker 350: motion of Chair Schultz, we we

04:22:50 Speaker 350: could adjust that to reflect the

04:22:52 Speaker 350: likelihood of unanimous consent adjourning meeting.

04:22:54 Speaker 350: Okay. Thank you. Any other questions?

04:22:56 Speaker 350: Okay. It has been moved and

04:22:58 Speaker 350: seconded. Then I'll call the question.

04:23:00 Speaker 350: All those in favour? and that

04:23:02 Speaker 350: is carried. Thank you. Okay, so

04:23:04 Speaker 350: next we move on to 7G,

04:23:06 Speaker 350: and with this, Director Spicer will

04:23:10 Speaker 350: do an introduction. It's recommended that

04:23:11 Speaker 350: the County of Gray Budget and

04:23:13 Speaker 350: Finance Committee meeting minutes, dated July

04:23:15 Speaker 350: twenty third, twenty twenty twenty five,

04:23:16 Speaker 350: be adopted as presented, and the

04:23:17 Speaker 350: following resolutions contained therein be endorsed.

04:23:20 Speaker 350: Number one, that report FRBFC twenty

04:23:22 Speaker 350: five fifteen twenty five regarding the

04:23:24 Speaker 350: twenty twenty five Regarding the 2025

04:23:26 Speaker 350: Capital Project Status Update Report as

04:23:28 Speaker 350: of April 30, 2025, be received

04:23:31 Speaker 350: for information, and that number two,

04:23:33 Speaker 350: the report FRBFC 1425 regarding the

04:23:36 Speaker 350: corporate financial update as of April

04:23:38 Speaker 350: 30 be received for information, and

04:23:41 Speaker 350: number three, that the report FRBFC

04:23:43 Speaker 350: 1325 Healthcare Funding Request 2026 Budget

04:23:45 Speaker 350: be received, and that staff be

04:23:47 Speaker 350: directed to maintain the budgeted two.

04:23:50 Speaker 350: hundred thousand transfer to the healthcare

04:23:51 Speaker 350: initiatives reserve for the twenty twenty

04:23:53 Speaker 350: six budget and twenty twenty seven

04:23:56 Speaker 350: projected budget. With that, I'll ask

04:23:58 Speaker 350: for a mover. Moved by Councillor

04:24:03 Speaker 350: Mackie, seconded by Councillor Dobrine. It's

04:24:05 Speaker 350: on the floor for discussion. Welcome,

04:24:07 Speaker 350: Director Spicer. Thank you, Madam Warden.

04:24:08 Speaker 350: So our meeting on July twenty

04:24:10 Speaker 351: third began with Director Shaw presenting

04:24:12 Speaker 351: an overview of how the housing

04:24:14 Speaker 350: capital budget is developed, part of

04:24:16 Speaker 350: the discussion involved the number of

04:24:19 Speaker 350: units. It was noted over 500

04:24:20 Speaker 350: no one sound, and the addition

04:24:22 Speaker 350: of transitional housing in a former

04:24:23 Speaker 350: motel. Not including the recent additions,

04:24:25 Speaker 350: the value of all assets was

04:24:27 Speaker 350: approximately 236 million dollars. Also discussed

04:24:31 Speaker 350: were the tools used, such as

04:24:33 Speaker 350: the building condition assessments, as well

04:24:35 Speaker 350: as inspections by staff and consultants.

04:24:37 Speaker 350: Staff look at energy efficiency options

04:24:40 Speaker 350: to reduce. operating budgets, cutting projects

04:24:42 Speaker 350: were discussed, and it was noted

04:24:45 Speaker 350: that the operating budget includes the

04:24:48 Speaker 350: cost of making ready units after

04:24:53 Speaker 350: tenant turnovers. There were questions asked

04:24:56 Speaker 350: about a recent project that installed

04:24:58 Speaker 350: heat pumps at a building in

04:25:00 Speaker 350: Miford, and whether energy savings had

04:25:02 Speaker 350: been seen. It was noted for

04:25:05 Speaker 350: this particular property, Gray County only

04:25:08 Speaker 350: pays the cost for the vacant

04:25:12 Speaker 350: units, so we will get some

04:25:13 Speaker 350: data on that. Just we don't

04:25:16 Speaker 352: have the full expense in our

04:25:21 Speaker 290: budgets. Also asked for questions on

04:25:26 Speaker 290: funding and the waitlist, and it

04:25:28 Speaker 353: was noted the waitlist is approximately

04:25:30 Speaker 93: two hundred, sorry, twenty three hundred

04:25:33 Speaker 93: people, and approximately seventy percent of

04:25:34 Speaker 93: those are from Gray County. Director

04:25:36 Speaker 93: Myers presented on economic development, tourism,

04:25:38 Speaker 93: and culture assets. So the buildings

04:25:40 Speaker 93: are the Gray Roots, Morrison Village,

04:25:41 Speaker 93: Sidneyham Campus, as well as two

04:25:44 Speaker 93: vehicles. And Savannah shared that the

04:25:46 Speaker 93: EDTC master plan and the

04:25:48 Speaker 93: building condition assessments are used to

04:25:50 Speaker 93: determine. the timing of capital projects,

04:25:52 Speaker 93: and lifespan is extended if possible.

04:25:53 Speaker 93: So we use the example of

04:25:58 Speaker 93: the tourism vehicle, and some projects

04:26:00 Speaker 93: move ahead based on need. And

04:26:01 Speaker 93: we've had a recent example with

04:26:03 Speaker 93: the schoolhouse roof and the exterior

04:26:06 Speaker 93: doors at Sidney Ham Campus. There

04:26:12 Speaker 93: were questions on the capital contributions

04:26:14 Speaker 93: required for gray roofs, and just

04:26:16 Speaker 93: as a note, that building opened

04:26:20 Speaker 93: in two thousand four, so it's

04:26:22 Speaker 93: twenty one years old. Three reports

04:26:23 Speaker 93: were presented. The first was the

04:26:26 Speaker 93: capital project status report, and that's

04:26:30 Speaker 93: based on actuals to the end

04:26:33 Speaker 93: of April. And it was noted

04:26:36 Speaker 93: there's two hundred and fifty nine

04:26:38 Speaker 93: projects on the report. Next was

04:26:41 Speaker 93: a financial update with the same

04:26:42 Speaker 93: time frame. That noted there was

04:26:44 Speaker 93: a heavier winter than normal, and

04:26:47 Speaker 93: that impacted the transportation, housing, long

04:26:48 Speaker 93: term care, and paramedic services budgets.

04:26:49 Speaker 93: It resulted in increased staff and

04:26:51 Speaker 93: for transportation, higher usage costs for

04:26:55 Speaker 93: materials, higher than expected snow removal

04:26:56 Speaker 93: costs at many. buildings and some

04:27:00 Speaker 93: building repairs for housing. And staff

04:27:01 Speaker 93: noted that the final impact won't

04:27:03 Speaker 93: be known until year end. Also

04:27:04 Speaker 354: depends on how early winter starts

04:27:07 Speaker 354: this fall, and that departments are

04:27:10 Speaker 354: looking for savings in other areas

04:27:12 Speaker 354: to mitigate costs. Actuals to April

04:27:14 Speaker 354: 30th in most cases are too

04:27:16 Speaker 354: early to predict or trend any

04:27:17 Speaker 354: any outcomes. With, for example, a

04:27:19 Speaker 354: lot of costs such as association

04:27:20 Speaker 354: fees are incurred. earlier in the

04:27:22 Speaker 354: year, and then you have no

04:27:23 Speaker 354: expense for the rest of the

04:27:25 Speaker 354: year. We did notice the note

04:27:27 Speaker 354: that the variance for court security

04:27:29 Speaker 354: provided Owen Sound. It's now known

04:27:31 Speaker 354: to exceed budget by just under

04:27:34 Speaker 354: one hundred twenty thousand dollars. That

04:27:36 Speaker 354: will require funding at the end

04:27:37 Speaker 354: of the year, and that the

04:27:40 Speaker 354: amount included in the budget was

04:27:41 Speaker 354: based on best estimates provided mid

04:27:42 Speaker 355: twenty twenty four. The final report

04:27:45 Speaker 355: was healthcare funding requests, which at

04:27:46 Speaker 355: that point there were no requests.

04:27:49 Speaker 354: The only commitment we had for

04:27:52 Speaker 354: 2026 was for Bright Shores, and

04:27:54 Speaker 354: the last year of that $200,000

04:27:56 Speaker 356: annual commitment is 2027. The report

04:27:59 Speaker 356: recommended maintaining the 2025 transfer reserve

04:28:01 Speaker 356: of $209,500, and as you'd see

04:28:02 Speaker 356: in the minutes, that amount was

04:28:04 Speaker 354: amended to $200,000. The meeting wrapped

04:28:07 Speaker 354: up with a discussion on what

04:28:10 Speaker 354: is scheduled for the September meeting,

04:28:12 Speaker 354: and. that'll include reports on budget

04:28:14 Speaker 354: timelines, full-time employee requests for 2026

04:28:15 Speaker 354: and 2027, and information from the

04:28:18 Speaker 354: director of human resources on COLA

04:28:19 Speaker 354: adjustments and collective agreements. Okay, thank

04:28:21 Speaker 354: you. I'll put it out for

04:28:23 Speaker 354: questions. Okay, not seen any. Then

04:28:24 Speaker 354: I'll call the question. All those

04:28:27 Speaker 354: in favour? That motion is carried.

04:28:29 Speaker 354: Thank you. And at this

04:28:32 Speaker 354: point in time, the CAO

04:28:33 Speaker 354: will do the introduction for

04:28:35 Speaker 354: the final item that is here

04:28:39 Speaker 354: on the open agenda. And it's

04:28:41 Speaker 354: recommended that the minutes of the

04:28:45 Speaker 354: Joint Municipal Services Committee meeting, dated

04:28:47 Speaker 354: July 29, 2025, be adopted as

04:28:48 Speaker 354: presented, and the following resolutions contained

04:28:51 Speaker 354: therein be endorsed: Number one, that

04:28:55 Speaker 354: Councillor Body be elected as the

04:28:56 Speaker 354: chair of the Joint Municipal Services

04:28:59 Speaker 354: Committee through to September 2026.

04:29:01 Speaker 354: Number two, that Councillor Dicker be

04:29:03 Speaker 354: elected as the vice chair. of

04:29:06 Speaker 354: the Joint Municipal Services Committee through

04:29:09 Speaker 354: September 2026. Number three, that the

04:29:11 Speaker 354: report CAORJMS 1025, ongoing work and

04:29:13 Speaker 354: background in respect to joint municipal

04:29:17 Speaker 354: service work, be received for information,

04:29:19 Speaker 354: and that report CAORJMS 1125 be

04:29:21 Speaker 354: received, and that members of the

04:29:23 Speaker 354: community of practice be encouraged to

04:29:27 Speaker 354: provide an update to respective member

04:29:29 Speaker 354: municipal councils, and that number six.

04:29:30 Speaker 354: that based on council feedback from

04:29:33 Speaker 354: the community of practice, identify priorities

04:29:34 Speaker 354: for collabourative and/or shared services in

04:29:37 Speaker 354: respect to waste collection, and

04:29:39 Speaker 354: number seven, that staff be

04:29:42 Speaker 354: directed to provide a report back

04:29:43 Speaker 354: to the joint municipal services committee

04:29:45 Speaker 354: on identified services to the next

04:29:48 Speaker 354: meeting. May I ask for

04:29:49 Speaker 354: a mover and a seconder? It's

04:29:52 Speaker 354: moved by Councillor McKay and

04:29:55 Speaker 354: seconded by Councillor Hutchinson. It's now

04:29:57 Speaker 354: on the floor for discussion.

04:29:59 Speaker 354: Over to you, CEO. Over to

04:30:00 Speaker 354: you. See you. Great, thank you

04:30:03 Speaker 354: very much, Ward Matrasos. So, the

04:30:05 Speaker 354: recently created Joint Missile Service Committee

04:30:07 Speaker 354: met for the first time on

04:30:10 Speaker 354: July 29th this year, last month.

04:30:13 Speaker 354: As Ward Matrasos indicated, Council

04:30:16 Speaker 354: Body was elected as chair. Council

04:30:19 Speaker 354: Dicker was elected as vice

04:30:21 Speaker 354: chair. An overview of the terms

04:30:24 Speaker 354: of reference for this committee was

04:30:27 Speaker 354: reviewed with the committee, and just

04:30:29 Speaker 354: as a bit of a recap

04:30:31 Speaker 354: for council, the purpose of this

04:30:34 Speaker 354: committee is to look for opportunities

04:30:36 Speaker 357: for shared services and then to

04:30:38 Speaker 354: develop a recommendation. to council on

04:30:41 Speaker 354: services that have the potential to

04:30:43 Speaker 354: be shared among two or more

04:30:46 Speaker 354: municipalities within Gray County. The focus

04:30:47 Speaker 354: is on services that would improve

04:30:49 Speaker 354: the financial condition of at least

04:30:53 Speaker 354: two municipalities, as well as shared

04:30:54 Speaker 354: services that have the potential to

04:30:56 Speaker 354: improve the level of service for

04:30:59 Speaker 358: residents. The intent is that the

04:31:03 Speaker 358: committee would develop a plan on

04:31:05 Speaker 354: what shared servicing ranges should be

04:31:07 Speaker 354: explored further, and that prioritizing some

04:31:10 Speaker 354: of those those potential services, and

04:31:12 Speaker 354: then bring that back to. council

04:31:14 Speaker 354: for further direction and information. One

04:31:17 Speaker 354: of the actions, as I noted,

04:31:18 Speaker 354: for the committee is to develop

04:31:21 Speaker 354: that priority list of potential shared

04:31:24 Speaker 354: services to be considered for

04:31:27 Speaker 354: council's consideration and direction. As

04:31:30 Speaker 354: the warden indicated through the motion,

04:31:33 Speaker 354: there was a report that was

04:31:36 Speaker 354: presented on ongoing work and background.

04:31:40 Speaker 354: And in order to provide some

04:31:42 Speaker 354: context and background information to the

04:31:46 Speaker 354: committee, staff presented a report on

04:31:48 Speaker 354: the ongoing work that county and

04:31:49 Speaker 354: member municipalities are already doing. when

04:31:51 Speaker 354: it comes to shared services. Guided

04:31:53 Speaker 354: by the strategic plan, the county

04:31:56 Speaker 354: and its member municipalities routinely work

04:31:59 Speaker 354: together and explore opportunities for collabouration

04:32:03 Speaker 354: to find efficiencies and opportunities to

04:32:05 Speaker 354: improve services. An overview was provided,

04:32:07 Speaker 354: excuse me, of the of the

04:32:09 Speaker 354: collabouration framework that was created

04:32:10 Speaker 354: in 2013 and was endorsed by

04:32:13 Speaker 354: council. And this framework was used

04:32:14 Speaker 354: back in that time period to

04:32:16 Speaker 354: explore library services back into. Library

04:32:19 Speaker 354: services. Back in 2014, the principles

04:32:21 Speaker 354: of intent in this framework have

04:32:23 Speaker 354: been used to explore subsequent discussions

04:32:26 Speaker 354: on potential service partnerships, including recent

04:32:28 Speaker 354: discussions in areas such as centralized

04:32:30 Speaker 359: planning services as well as waste

04:32:34 Speaker 360: collection services. The report provides information

04:32:36 Speaker 361: on collabouration and shared services that

04:32:38 Speaker 362: have been created and and discussed

04:32:41 Speaker 362: over the past decade, as examples

04:32:43 Speaker 363: of areas where potential may be

04:32:47 Speaker 363: may exist for greater alignment to

04:32:49 Speaker 363: help inform the discussion of this

04:32:50 Speaker 363: committee. Waste management report. So, staff

04:32:52 Speaker 364: also presented a report highlighting the

04:32:57 Speaker 364: work of the what's called the

04:32:58 Speaker 364: waste management community practice, and it's

04:33:00 Speaker 365: a group consisting of local municipal

04:33:02 Speaker 365: waste managers who share best

04:33:06 Speaker 268: practices and also identify potential collabouration

04:33:10 Speaker 268: opportunities. The waste management community practice

04:33:12 Speaker 268: is supported by both the county

04:33:15 Speaker 268: strategic plan as well as Going

04:33:17 Speaker 268: Green and Gray. Like other service

04:33:20 Speaker 268: areas, municipalities. are already collabourating on

04:33:23 Speaker 268: waste management, including some municipalities sharing

04:33:24 Speaker 268: landfill space, sharing leaf yard waste

04:33:27 Speaker 268: sites, as well as municipalities collabourating

04:33:29 Speaker 268: on household hazardous waste days, just

04:33:30 Speaker 268: to name a few. The report

04:33:32 Speaker 268: also identifies some further collabouration opportunities

04:33:36 Speaker 268: when it comes to waste management,

04:33:39 Speaker 268: things like partnering on recycling and

04:33:41 Speaker 268: diversion services, joint educational campaigns, joint

04:33:44 Speaker 268: procurement of waste collection services, developing

04:33:46 Speaker 268: regional composting facilities to support local

04:33:47 Speaker 268: organic waste composting, collabourating and partnering

04:33:49 Speaker 268: regionally on household hazardous waste programmemes

04:33:51 Speaker 268: and drop-off sites, potential opportunities for

04:33:53 Speaker 268: landfill sharing and access, as well

04:33:55 Speaker 268: as exploring the potential local for

04:33:57 Speaker 268: waste-to-energy partnerships. So many of these

04:33:59 Speaker 268: areas for collabouration could be further

04:34:01 Speaker 268: explored through the development of a

04:34:02 Speaker 268: combined waste management master plan, and

04:34:05 Speaker 268: this could identify priorities for joint

04:34:08 Speaker 268: services. Committee received that report and

04:34:10 Speaker 268: recommend. the members of the community

04:34:12 Speaker 268: practice be encouraged to provide updates

04:34:14 Speaker 268: to their municipal member councils, and

04:34:16 Speaker 268: that based on council feedback, the

04:34:18 Speaker 268: community practice also identify priorities for

04:34:21 Speaker 268: collabourative and shared services with respect

04:34:22 Speaker 268: to waste collection. With respect to

04:34:24 Speaker 268: the list, so the committee then

04:34:26 Speaker 268: did a brainstorming activity where members

04:34:28 Speaker 268: identified some potential shared services that

04:34:30 Speaker 268: could be explored further, and they

04:34:33 Speaker 268: went through an exercise to start

04:34:34 Speaker 366: to prioritize. Ties to start to

04:34:40 Speaker 348: prioritize some of those opportunities. So

04:34:44 Speaker 367: some of the opportunities that were

04:34:47 Speaker 367: identified by the committee: waste management,

04:34:48 Speaker 368: staffing, including areas of air retention

04:34:51 Speaker 368: and skills development, procurement services, policies

04:34:52 Speaker 368: and standards, physician recruitment, services such

04:34:54 Speaker 368: as wastewater and water, equipment sharing

04:34:55 Speaker 369: and leasing of a fleet, building

04:34:59 Speaker 369: inspection services, centralized tax collection, as

04:35:01 Speaker 370: well as information systems. the committee

04:35:04 Speaker 212: discussed and participated in exercise to

04:35:06 Speaker 212: determine which of the above categories

04:35:08 Speaker 212: the committee would like to see

04:35:10 Speaker 212: further information on, and and so

04:35:12 Speaker 212: they went through a prioritization exercise

04:35:13 Speaker 212: and they determined the top three

04:35:15 Speaker 212: as staffing, waste management, and physician

04:35:18 Speaker 371: recruitment as as potential areas to

04:35:23 Speaker 371: focus on. Committee then passed a

04:35:25 Speaker 371: motion directing staff to provide a

04:35:27 Speaker 371: report back to the Joint Missile

04:35:29 Speaker 371: Services Committee, providing some initial information

04:35:31 Speaker 268: on. those identified services at the

04:35:33 Speaker 268: next meeting, and the next meeting

04:35:35 Speaker 268: has been scheduled for September 26.

04:35:37 Speaker 268: The committee was interested in hearing

04:35:40 Speaker 268: any initial feedback that council may

04:35:42 Speaker 268: have with respect to that

04:35:44 Speaker 268: shared service list, as well as

04:35:46 Speaker 268: the top three priority areas that

04:35:48 Speaker 268: were identified by the committee. Happy

04:35:50 Speaker 268: to take any questions. Okay, I'll

04:35:52 Speaker 268: put it out there. Let's begin

04:35:54 Speaker 268: with the deputy warden. Thank you,

04:35:55 Speaker 268: Madam Warden. Randy. it mentions in

04:35:56 Speaker 268: the report that the committee discussed

04:35:58 Speaker 268: increased usage of incinerators in Ontario.

04:36:01 Speaker 268: Where's that happening? To my knowledge,

04:36:04 Speaker 268: there hasn't been an incinerator built

04:36:07 Speaker 268: in Ontario in decades. But I'm

04:36:08 Speaker 268: just curious to know. Please. Through

04:36:10 Speaker 268: you, Madam Warden, I was in

04:36:12 Speaker 268: that. It might have been a

04:36:13 Speaker 268: typo or miscommunication in terms of

04:36:16 Speaker 268: incinerators. The incinerator discussion is is

04:36:18 Speaker 268: definitely. Becoming more prevalent just based

04:36:21 Speaker 268: on overall landfill capacity throughout the

04:36:24 Speaker 268: province. What was identified at a

04:36:26 Speaker 268: recent conference that staff were able

04:36:28 Speaker 268: to attend was noting that collectively,

04:36:30 Speaker 268: overall landfill capacity across the province

04:36:32 Speaker 268: is less than ten years of

04:36:35 Speaker 268: landfill capacity. And as we all

04:36:39 Speaker 268: know, that the to in order

04:36:43 Speaker 268: to get to an approval of

04:36:46 Speaker 268: a new landfill site, it takes

04:36:47 Speaker 268: many many years. So in terms

04:36:52 Speaker 268: of the words that where

04:36:54 Speaker 268: I expressed at that conference, in

04:36:56 Speaker 268: terms of waste management becoming a

04:37:00 Speaker 268: potential crisis, that was definitely expressed

04:37:02 Speaker 268: as part of that conference. Just

04:37:04 Speaker 268: based on overall landfill capacity, through

04:37:05 Speaker 268: that there was discussions about looking

04:37:07 Speaker 268: at other opportunities in order to

04:37:08 Speaker 268: how how we deal with this

04:37:10 Speaker 268: waste beyond diversion, which should be

04:37:11 Speaker 268: our number one. Is we still

04:37:12 Speaker 268: have some waste that we need

04:37:15 Speaker 240: to potentially get rid of, and

04:37:23 Speaker 240: there was concerns at that time

04:37:25 Speaker 240: too that if the the border

04:37:26 Speaker 240: was closed off to be able

04:37:28 Speaker 240: to ship any waste south into

04:37:29 Speaker 372: the states, what does that look

04:37:34 Speaker 372: like in terms of then that

04:37:35 Speaker 372: crisis now becoming even more of

04:37:36 Speaker 372: a crisis? And so, looking for

04:37:38 Speaker 372: those other alternative measures in order

04:37:39 Speaker 372: to how we manage our overall

04:37:41 Speaker 372: waste. So, although there's not incinerators

04:37:43 Speaker 251: that I'm aware of at this

04:37:45 Speaker 251: stage, there are others that are

04:37:47 Speaker 251: looking at potential incineration as an

04:37:50 Speaker 251: option if if and when

04:37:52 Speaker 251: we might get. to some of

04:37:55 Speaker 251: those situations I just described.

04:37:57 Speaker 251: Okay. Other questions? Okay. Not.

04:37:59 Speaker 251: Oh, there we go. Councillor Mackey.

04:38:01 Speaker 251: Thanks, Warden. Thanks, Randy, for the

04:38:03 Speaker 251: update. I'm just wondering the the

04:38:06 Speaker 251: waste. I think it was a

04:38:07 Speaker 251: couple years ago that County Council

04:38:08 Speaker 251: asked to look at you know

04:38:13 Speaker 251: the joint waste situation. Really, not

04:38:16 Speaker 251: heard anything in the last two

04:38:17 Speaker 251: years until today. So. is the

04:38:18 Speaker 251: group making much progress, and why

04:38:19 Speaker 251: aren't we hearing anything at a lower tier level?

04:38:19 Speaker 251: We're having to make decisions around waste management on a regular basis, and it would be nice to have that input and to know where that direction possibly might be leading.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: Thank you.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: To you, Warren Majorsovs, and so this was actually our first update to be able to provide, and we provided through the Joint Missile Service Committee because we.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: Services Committee, because we've identified it as based through that community practice an area of potential collabouration and sharing of services.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: So that was that report that was presented to the Joint Missiles Services Committee captured basically all the information that's been generated and collected over the past couple years with respect to that that committee and that group.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: We started initially with just doing a kind of a state of the nation in terms of what what does our existing waste management processes and systems look like across Great.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: Systems look like across Gray County, so we've captured all that information into into a report, as well as identifying what are those potential areas of collabouration.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: So that that report that was presented to the Joint Municipal Services Committee is a summary of all that work.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: If for those that haven't reviewed that report, I encourage encourage members to review that, and we're happy to if council is interested in hearing an overall presentation of about that report, we're happy.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: to share the the presentation that was provided to the Joint Municipal Service Committee.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: It's as noted.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: There's already collabouration happening in in your own municipality in Chatsworth.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: Councillor Councillor Mackie is sharing landfill space with with your neighbours to the south and Grey Highlands.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: Municipalities are sharing leaf and yard waste.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: Municipalities are already sharing household hazardous waste days.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: So there's already collabouration.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: happening, and the waste management community practice has identified some further opportunities for collabouration.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: And I think this is where the Joint Missile Service community said, "Let's look into this a little bit further." So that's why it became one of their top three in terms of digging into some of those some of those opportunities further.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: That makes sense.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: Okay.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: Thank you.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: Okay.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: Not seeing any further hands.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: In that case, then.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: I'll call the question.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: All those in favour?

04:38:20 Speaker 251: And that motion is carried.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: Thank you.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: Thank you very much, Cao.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: Okay.

04:38:20 Speaker 251: So at this point in time, then we are now at item eight, which is closed meeting matters.

04:38:21 Speaker 251: It's recommended that the committee, the whole, does now go into closed session pursuant to section two thirty nine two of the Municipal Act two thousand and one as amended, to discuss number one, labour relations or employee negotiations regarding QP fifteen thirty, and number two.

04:38:21 Speaker 251: 1530 and number two, advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege, including communications necessary for that purpose regarding board of health membership, and this was added to the agenda on August 13th, 2025.

04:38:21 Speaker 251: So with that, I will ask for a mover.

04:38:21 Speaker 251: It's moved by Councillor Patterson, seconded by Councillor Pringle, and all those in favour.

04:38:21 Speaker 251: Okay, so we thank you.

04:38:21 Speaker 251: That motion is carried.

04:38:21 Speaker 251: We will now do the switch over with the people in the room and the technology.

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