Grey County County Council Meeting Transcript — August 14, 2025
Hook: Markdale Arena Disruption Updates
Grey County · County Council · August 14, 2025
Summary
The County Council convened on August 14, 2025, to review local events including disruptions at the Markdale Arena and upcoming festivals in Holtville. The agenda focused on ceremonial proceedings before moving into general business items regarding community activities.
Top Newsworthy Developments
- Land Acknowledgement: Council recommended that bylaws 524625 and 524725 be introduced, taken as read three times, passed, signed, sealed, and engrossed. Bylaw 524625 adopts an amendment to the Grey County Official Plan affecting specific lands in West Grey, while Bylaw 524725 confirms all actions and proceedings of council.
- Council Members Reported on Local Events Including a Barn-raising at Soggy Valley: Council members reported on local events including a barn-raising at Soggy Valley Children's Safety Village and fundraising for agricultural education. Councillor Hutchinson announced a $1.2 million asset enhancement for a new X-ray suite at Durham Hospital via an ACDC tribute band concert.
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- August 14, 2025
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1 Call to Order
A speaker called the County Council meeting to order on August 14, 2025.
00:06:26 Speaker 01: would like to now call to
00:06:28 Speaker 01: order this meeting of August Fourteenth,
00:06:29 Speaker 02: twenty twenty-five. At this point in
00:06:32 Speaker 02: time, as you are able, please
2 O Canada
A speaker invited attendees to stand and sing O Canada before requesting a roll call, which confirmed attendance of all members except Councillor Body who was joining later.
00:06:33 Speaker 02: join us in the standing and
00:06:34 Speaker 02: singing of O Canada. our home
00:06:36 Speaker 03: and native land, true patriot love
00:06:52 Speaker 04: in all of us command. With
00:06:59 Speaker 04: glowing hearts, we see thee rise,
00:07:04 Speaker 05: the. rise, the true North, strong
00:07:08 Speaker 05: and free, from far and wide,
00:07:12 Speaker 05: O Canada, we stand on guard
00:07:17 Speaker 05: for thee. God keep our land,
00:07:22 Speaker 05: glorious and free, O Canada, we
00:07:29 Speaker 05: stand on guard for. thee, O
00:07:36 Speaker 05: Canada! We stand on guard for
00:07:43 Speaker 05: thee. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Would
00:07:57 Speaker 05: you please conduct the roll call?
00:07:59 Speaker 06: Councillor Mackie. Councillor. McKay, Councillor Carleton,
00:08:05 Speaker 06: Councillor Pringle, Councillor McQueen, Councillor
00:08:08 Speaker 06: Nielsen, Councillor Patterson, Councillor Dickert,
00:08:11 Speaker 06: Councillor Kentner, Councillor Kevany, Councillor
00:08:15 Speaker 06: Body, I believe is joining
00:08:19 Speaker 06: us later this morning. Councillor Gregg,
00:08:20 Speaker 07: Councillor Milne, Councillor Dobrine, Gordon Matrasovs,
00:08:23 Speaker 07: Councillor Bourignon, Present, Councillor Eccles,
00:08:27 Speaker 07: Councillor Hutchinson, We. have all
00:08:31 Speaker 07: members in attendance with the exception
00:08:35 Speaker 07: of Councillor Body. Thank you very
4 Land Acknowledgement
Council recommended that bylaws 524625 and 524725 be introduced, taken as read three times, passed, signed, sealed, and engrossed. Bylaw 524625 adopts an amendment to the Grey County Official Plan affecting specific lands in West Grey, while Bylaw 524725 confirms all actions and proceedings of council. Council reported that a minor fire at Markdale Arena caused disruptions but will not stop the agricultural fair, which continues outdoors at King Edward Park. The Holtville Kite Festival is scheduled for two days in Holtville on consecutive dates, while lacrosse teams were hosted by West Grey and Meaford due to arena renovations. Council members reported on local events including a barn-raising at Soggy Valley Children's Safety Village and fundraising for agricultural education. Councillor Hutchinson announced a $1.2 million asset enhancement for a new X-ray suite at Durham Hospital via an ACDC tribute band concert. Council also promoted the Beaver Valley Fall Fair in Thornbury and noted the 165th recorded Durham Fall Fair.
00:08:36 Speaker 08: much, Madam Clerk, and that we
00:08:40 Speaker 08: will proceed to the land acknowledgement.
00:08:42 Speaker 09: Let us begin by respectfully acknowledging
00:08:46 Speaker 10: that we are gathering on the
00:08:49 Speaker 10: traditional territory of the Anishinaabek Nation,
00:08:50 Speaker 10: the three the people of the
00:08:53 Speaker 10: three fires known as the Ojibwe,
00:08:55 Speaker 10: Odawa, and Potawatomi Nations, and further
00:08:57 Speaker 10: we give thanks to the Chippewas
00:09:00 Speaker 10: of Saugeen and the Chippewas. Of
00:09:01 Speaker 10: Sogean and the Chippewas of Nawash,
00:09:03 Speaker 10: known collectively as the Sogean Ojibwe
00:09:06 Speaker 10: Nation, the traditional keepers of these
00:09:08 Speaker 10: lands and waters since time immemorial.
00:09:12 Speaker 10: In our south of the county
00:09:13 Speaker 10: lies the traditional territories of the
00:09:15 Speaker 10: six nations of the Grand River
00:09:17 Speaker 10: Haudenosaunee. We are dedicated to honouring
00:09:21 Speaker 10: Indigenous history and culture, and committed
00:09:23 Speaker 10: to moving forward in a spirit
00:09:25 Speaker 10: of truth, reconciliation, and friendship with
00:09:28 Speaker 10: all First Nations, Métis, and Inuit
00:09:31 Speaker 11: people. At this point in time,
00:09:34 Speaker 11: I would like to put out
00:09:35 Speaker 11: a call. If there are any
00:09:36 Speaker 12: declarations of interest, seeing and hearing
00:09:41 Speaker 13: none, we'll move on. It is
00:09:43 Speaker 14: recommended, item six. It's recommended that
00:09:46 Speaker 14: the minutes of the county council
00:09:47 Speaker 14: meeting and the committee, the whole
00:09:49 Speaker 14: meeting, dated July twenty fourth, twenty
00:09:51 Speaker 14: twenty five, and the resolutions contained
00:09:53 Speaker 14: therein be adopted as presented. May
00:09:55 Speaker 14: I ask for a mover? Moved
00:09:56 Speaker 14: by Councillor Greg, seconded by Councillor
00:09:58 Speaker 14: Dobrine. Any discussion? All those in
00:10:03 Speaker 15: favour, and that motion is carried.
00:10:05 Speaker 15: We do not have any closed
00:10:07 Speaker 10: session matters here on this agenda,
00:10:10 Speaker 10: nor reports, so we can move
00:10:11 Speaker 10: to the bylaws. It is recommended
00:10:14 Speaker 10: that bylaws 524625 and 524725 be
00:10:20 Speaker 10: introduced and be taken as read
00:10:21 Speaker 10: a first, second, and third time.
00:10:24 Speaker 10: Finally, passed, signed by the warden
00:10:26 Speaker 10: and the clerk, sealed with the
00:10:27 Speaker 10: seal of the corporation. and engrossed
00:10:29 Speaker 10: in the bylaw book, number one
00:10:31 Speaker 10: fifty two forty six twenty five
00:10:33 Speaker 10: is a bylaw to adopt amendment
00:10:35 Speaker 10: number twenty one of the Grey
00:10:37 Speaker 10: County of Grey Official Plan affecting
00:10:39 Speaker 10: lands described as part of Lot
00:10:41 Speaker 10: seventy five Concession B being Part
00:10:43 Speaker 10: One Reference Plan seventeen R five
00:10:46 Speaker 10: three one Geographic Township of Normanby
00:10:50 Speaker 10: and now in the Municipality of
00:10:51 Speaker 10: West Grey and number two is
00:10:53 Speaker 10: fifty two forty seven twenty five
00:10:55 Speaker 10: a bylaw to confirm all. the
00:10:57 Speaker 10: actions and proceedings of council. May
00:10:59 Speaker 10: I ask for mover? Moved by
00:11:00 Speaker 10: Councillor Dickert, seconded by Councillor Pringle.
00:11:03 Speaker 10: Any discussion? All those in favour?
00:11:06 Speaker 10: And that motion is carried. On
00:11:09 Speaker 10: to news and celebrations. The first
00:11:11 Speaker 16: one that we will highlight will
00:11:13 Speaker 16: be about the 75th anniversary of
00:11:15 Speaker 16: the Soggy Valley Conservation Authority. I
00:11:18 Speaker 16: would like to make a brief
00:11:19 Speaker 16: introduction and then pass the floor
00:11:21 Speaker 16: to Councillor Hutchinson to speak on
00:11:24 Speaker 16: behalf of the MV. On behalf
00:11:28 Speaker 16: of the MVCA, the Soging, sorry,
00:11:32 Speaker 16: the SVCA, too many acronyms in
00:11:36 Speaker 16: in this territory, Soging Valley Conservation
00:11:39 Speaker 16: Authority held a special celebration on
00:11:41 Speaker 16: Tuesday, July twenty ninth, to
00:11:44 Speaker 16: mark its seventy fifth anniversary. There
00:11:46 Speaker 16: were approximately a hundred guests in
00:11:47 Speaker 16: attendance who heard greetings and remarks
00:11:50 Speaker 16: from MP Lobb and MP P
00:11:52 Speaker 16: Thompson, and Mayor Mark Goetz and
00:11:55 Speaker 16: Mayor Milne and Conservation Ontario was
00:11:59 Speaker 16: also there with SVCA and GCA
00:12:02 Speaker 16: and Grey Sauble Conservation Authority. As
00:12:04 Speaker 16: part of the celebrations, there was
00:12:05 Speaker 16: a ribbon cutting and a grand
00:12:08 Speaker 16: opening of the new Formosa Conservation
00:12:13 Speaker 16: Area located beside the SVCA's administration
00:12:16 Speaker 16: office. The area is a 24-acre
00:12:18 Speaker 16: parcel where visitors can hike, snowshoe,
00:12:20 Speaker 16: and walk all year round, and
00:12:21 Speaker 16: will serve as a great
00:12:23 Speaker 16: addition to the conservation. authority. So,
00:12:27 Speaker 16: Councillor Hutchinson, that sounds very, very
00:12:28 Speaker 17: exciting indeed. And would you like
00:12:32 Speaker 18: to provide any further comments? Well,
00:12:34 Speaker 18: thank you very much, and good
00:12:36 Speaker 18: morning, Ward. I think you kind
00:12:37 Speaker 19: of took everything I was going
00:12:40 Speaker 19: to speak to. I'm going through
00:12:41 Speaker 20: and check, check, check. But, anyways,
00:12:44 Speaker 20: we do want to thank you
00:12:45 Speaker 20: for attending. A couple of people
00:12:49 Speaker 20: did have, I will say, representation
00:12:50 Speaker 20: from across the board, all the
00:12:53 Speaker 20: municipalities that are in the. All
00:12:56 Speaker 21: the ministers' deputies that are in
00:12:59 Speaker 20: the watershed. In addition to that,
00:13:01 Speaker 20: we did have MPP. We had
00:13:05 Speaker 20: MPP Lott there, yes, and MPP
00:13:08 Speaker 20: Lisa Thompson was there. We had
00:13:10 Speaker 20: some Vickers was not there, sir.
00:13:10 Speaker 20: No, no, sir. We had you
00:13:12 Speaker 20: know some past chairs were there,
00:13:14 Speaker 20: and it was a lot of
00:13:15 Speaker 20: good speeches. Again, a hundred guests.
00:13:18 Speaker 20: We did do that ribbon cut,
00:13:20 Speaker 20: which was nice to see. It
00:13:21 Speaker 20: just another another ribbon cut for
00:13:23 Speaker 20: another extended. Ribbon cut for another
00:13:24 Speaker 20: extension of conservation. I don't know
00:13:25 Speaker 20: what is that—a kilometre in there,
00:13:27 Speaker 22: the trail in there. Do you
00:13:30 Speaker 22: remember about about a kilometre of
00:13:31 Speaker 22: new trails opened up as well?
00:13:32 Speaker 22: I didn't walk them because it
00:13:34 Speaker 22: was subject to a little bit
00:13:36 Speaker 22: of an injury, so I don't
00:13:39 Speaker 22: know anybody else to took it
00:13:41 Speaker 22: on. But it was—it's pretty good
00:13:42 Speaker 22: to see that open as well.
00:13:45 Speaker 22: Other than that, yes. Dog walk.
00:13:46 Speaker 22: I think you covered everything though,
00:13:47 Speaker 22: and we do want to—we do
00:13:49 Speaker 23: appreciate you and your attendance. Thank
00:13:53 Speaker 23: you. I don't have anything else
00:13:54 Speaker 23: to say. I guess they're looking
00:13:56 Speaker 23: forward to a. To say, I
00:13:57 Speaker 23: guess they're looking forward to the
00:13:59 Speaker 01: next 75 years. Believe it or
00:14:09 Speaker 24: not. Thanks. Okay, thank you very
00:14:11 Speaker 24: much. And with that, we'll move
00:14:13 Speaker 24: on to a funding announcement. I'd
00:14:15 Speaker 24: like to call up Director Nab
00:14:16 Speaker 24: to come speak to that. Good
00:14:18 Speaker 25: morning, Warden and County Council. I'm
00:14:24 Speaker 25: pleased to report our community paramedic
00:14:26 Speaker 25: programme is now fully funded through
00:14:27 Speaker 25: the Ministry of Health and Ministry
00:14:29 Speaker 25: of Long Term. Care. The Ministry
00:14:31 Speaker 25: of Health funding has been old.
00:14:33 Speaker 25: The Ministry of Health funding has
00:14:35 Speaker 25: already been considered permanent, and we're
00:14:36 Speaker 25: pleased to share that the Ministry
00:14:37 Speaker 25: of Long Term Care has now
00:14:40 Speaker 25: confirmed its funding is permanent as
00:14:42 Speaker 25: well. In addition, annual funding
00:14:44 Speaker 25: from the Ministry of Long Term
00:14:46 Speaker 25: Care is increased from one million
00:14:48 Speaker 25: to one point five million. This
00:14:50 Speaker 25: combined support ensures the Grey County
00:14:52 Speaker 25: Community Paramedic Programme is one hundred
00:14:54 Speaker 25: percent provincially funded. allowing us to
00:14:55 Speaker 25: continue to deliver high quality care
00:14:56 Speaker 26: to older adults and the most
00:14:59 Speaker 26: vulnerable members of our community. Also,
00:15:01 Speaker 26: want to say say a special
00:15:02 Speaker 26: thank you from all of us
00:15:04 Speaker 26: to County Council for their strong
00:15:05 Speaker 26: support over the last ten years.
00:15:09 Speaker 26: Your commitment ensured that any shortfalls
00:15:11 Speaker 26: recovered, allowing the programme to continue
00:15:12 Speaker 26: and grow. So, thank you. And
00:15:14 Speaker 26: it's been a really great day
00:15:16 Speaker 26: to say that now it's one
00:15:17 Speaker 26: hundred percent funded.
00:15:26 Speaker 26: Excellent.
00:15:29 Speaker 26: Thank you
00:15:36 Speaker 27: very much for that. Great way
00:15:39 Speaker 27: to start the day. and with
00:15:41 Speaker 27: that, I would like to call
00:15:43 Speaker 27: up Director Shaw to come and
00:15:45 Speaker 27: make an announcement about early on.
00:15:47 Speaker 28: There we go. Good morning, Council.
00:15:50 Speaker 28: I just wanted to let everyone
00:15:52 Speaker 28: know that there are some new.
00:15:56 Speaker 28: childcare spaces and a new early
00:15:58 Speaker 28: on centre in Markdale. The Markdale
00:16:01 Speaker 28: Kids and Us operates the new
00:16:04 Speaker 28: Beavercrest Community School and now includes
00:16:06 Speaker 28: a four-hour after-school programme. The early
00:16:08 Speaker 28: on Markdale site is also located
00:16:10 Speaker 28: at this at this location too,
00:16:11 Speaker 28: so more convenience. The childcare centre
00:16:13 Speaker 28: provides inclusive programmemes for children aged
00:16:21 Speaker 28: 13 months to school age in
00:16:23 Speaker 28: a new inviting space. And there
00:16:24 Speaker 28: was a grand opening. that was
00:16:25 Speaker 28: held on August sixth. And thank
00:16:26 Speaker 28: you for those of you that
00:16:28 Speaker 28: attended. Very exciting for the Markdale
00:16:30 Speaker 28: community and beyond as well. It
00:16:31 Speaker 29: was wonderful to be there, and
00:16:34 Speaker 29: I must say it was wonderful
00:16:35 Speaker 29: to bring my granddaughter along too,
00:16:37 Speaker 29: just to test it out and
00:16:38 Speaker 30: sample it. Everything looks great. You're
00:16:42 Speaker 31: really going to enjoy that extra
00:16:45 Speaker 31: facility. And with that, I'll open
00:16:47 Speaker 31: it to the county floor. If
00:16:48 Speaker 31: there are other announcements, we'll begin
00:16:50 Speaker 31: with Councillor Nielsen. I'm going to
00:16:51 Speaker 31: take a step here from Deputy
00:16:53 Speaker 31: Ward Milne. Stand up. Many of
00:16:56 Speaker 31: you may know that a couple
00:16:57 Speaker 31: weeks ago we did have a
00:16:59 Speaker 31: minor fire at the Markdale Arena,
00:17:01 Speaker 31: so it has caused some disruptions.
00:17:03 Speaker 31: But we all know the Agricultural
00:17:04 Speaker 31: Society will never be put down
00:17:06 Speaker 31: by a fire, so the Markdale
00:17:08 Speaker 31: Fall Fair will continue to happen
00:17:10 Speaker 31: at the King Edward Park grounds.
00:17:11 Speaker 31: Everything will be held outside. We're
00:17:14 Speaker 31: going to be setting up tents,
00:17:16 Speaker 31: utilising the library space that's there.
00:17:17 Speaker 31: So Saturday, August twenty third, Friday
00:17:18 Speaker 32: night is the ambassador programme on
00:17:20 Speaker 32: the twenty second. Please, anybody can
00:17:23 Speaker 33: come out, celebrate with us because
00:17:27 Speaker 34: even though a fire happened, we're
00:17:30 Speaker 35: going to keep on going with
00:17:33 Speaker 36: the fall fair, the one hundred
00:17:36 Speaker 36: and sixty seventh Markdale Agricultural Fall
00:17:37 Speaker 36: Fair. Thanks very much. Excellent. Good
00:17:39 Speaker 36: to hear that. And we'll go
00:17:42 Speaker 36: to Deputy Warden Mill next. Thank
00:17:44 Speaker 36: you, Warden. In spite of that.
00:17:48 Speaker 36: event going on, there'll be some
00:17:51 Speaker 36: high flying in Holtville on the
00:17:54 Speaker 36: same weekend, August twenty third, twenty
00:17:55 Speaker 36: fourth, the Saturday and Sunday. The
00:17:56 Speaker 37: Holtville Kite Festival will be in
00:17:59 Speaker 38: in production. I'm not sure exactly,
00:18:02 Speaker 38: but it's in Holtville somewhere. If
00:18:03 Speaker 39: you get to Holtville, you'll see
00:18:05 Speaker 39: it. Just look on the horizon,
00:18:07 Speaker 40: you'll see the. South. Okay, south
00:18:11 Speaker 40: of Holtville. So anyway, you're all
00:18:12 Speaker 40: welcome to attend, and it's a
00:18:13 Speaker 41: really cool event. Ten and it's
00:18:16 Speaker 41: a really cool event. It's not
00:18:17 Speaker 42: just you know the traditional old
00:18:22 Speaker 43: triangle. They got huge, big kites.
00:18:27 Speaker 44: I don't know how they get
00:18:30 Speaker 44: them up in the air, but
00:18:31 Speaker 45: it's it's good. It's a really
00:18:34 Speaker 45: cool event. So you're all invited.
00:18:36 Speaker 45: Come on down. Okay, thank you,
00:18:37 Speaker 45: Councillor Body. Thank you very much.
00:18:39 Speaker 45: As everyone knows, Canada has two
00:18:41 Speaker 45: official sports. Its summer official sport
00:18:42 Speaker 45: is lacrosse and. hockey, and in
00:18:47 Speaker 45: the winter, we are so blessed
00:18:49 Speaker 45: to have a really long history
00:18:51 Speaker 45: of both sports in Owen Sound.
00:18:54 Speaker 45: But this year, the lacrosse teams
00:18:55 Speaker 45: got pushed out of the arena
00:18:58 Speaker 45: because of very successful so far
00:18:59 Speaker 45: remaking of the ice and replacing
00:19:02 Speaker 45: of the floor, which is going
00:19:05 Speaker 45: extremely well at the arena. So
00:19:07 Speaker 45: we want to thank West Grey
00:19:09 Speaker 45: for hosting our junior lacrosse team
00:19:12 Speaker 45: this summer. They played down in
00:19:14 Speaker 45: the arena in Durham. they made
00:19:16 Speaker 45: the playoffs, and thank Meaford for
00:19:19 Speaker 45: hosting our senior and major teams,
00:19:21 Speaker 45: both of which made the playoffs.
00:19:23 Speaker 45: Major is the best lacrosse in
00:19:26 Speaker 45: the world. It's like it's like
00:19:27 Speaker 45: summertime for NHL. The guys that
00:19:30 Speaker 45: are playing pro in the states
00:19:32 Speaker 45: in the winter are playing major
00:19:34 Speaker 45: lacrosse in the summer to win
00:19:37 Speaker 45: the Man Cup. On Sound had
00:19:38 Speaker 45: a very young major team that
00:19:41 Speaker 45: did extremely well, made the playoffs.
00:19:44 Speaker 45: and weren't expected to, and then
00:19:46 Speaker 45: competed very well with Six Nations,
00:19:47 Speaker 45: which is built and financed to
00:19:50 Speaker 46: win the Memorial Cup every year.
00:19:54 Speaker 46: Not Memorial, sorry, not Minto Man
00:19:57 Speaker 46: Cup. Thank you, Minto's Junior A.
00:19:59 Speaker 47: So, thanks to both West Grey
00:20:01 Speaker 47: and Beechford for hosting our teams
00:20:02 Speaker 48: and providing them a home in
00:20:05 Speaker 48: in Grey County. Thanks. Thank you,
00:20:06 Speaker 48: and we'll go to Councillor Kieveny.
00:20:10 Speaker 48: Good morning, Madam. Warden and County
00:20:12 Speaker 48: Council, and thank you, Councillor Body.
00:20:13 Speaker 48: It was our pleasure to host
00:20:15 Speaker 48: the eucross teams, but I just
00:20:16 Speaker 48: wanted to share that we're one
00:20:18 Speaker 48: up on Markdale. It's our 168th
00:20:20 Speaker 49: fall fair coming up on August
00:20:22 Speaker 49: the 30th. Can't believe that we're
00:20:24 Speaker 49: reaching the end of summer. The
00:20:25 Speaker 50: heart of the fair, of course,
00:20:27 Speaker 51: is the livestock shows, beef and
00:20:31 Speaker 51: dairy, and the sheep show is
00:20:33 Speaker 51: always a special one. Saddle horse
00:20:34 Speaker 51: shows and the junior calf
00:20:36 Speaker 51: club is always a big hit,
00:20:38 Speaker 51: and there's. the curling club will
00:20:40 Speaker 51: be full of home crafts and
00:20:42 Speaker 51: gardening, all the big carrots and
00:20:43 Speaker 51: zucchini and all that sort of
00:20:47 Speaker 51: thing. There'll be family-friendly activities and
00:20:49 Speaker 52: children's events, and antique cars will
00:20:54 Speaker 52: be on display. So that's all
00:20:55 Speaker 53: taking place at our curling club
00:20:58 Speaker 53: on August the 30th with a
00:21:01 Speaker 53: 9 a.m. start. Thank you. Okay.
00:21:04 Speaker 53: Thank you very much, and we'll
00:21:07 Speaker 53: go to Councillor Carleton. Thank you,
00:21:09 Speaker 53: Warden Matrisselson. Good morning. Thank you,
00:21:12 Speaker 53: Lord Mayor Trussell, and Good Morning,
00:21:16 Speaker 53: County Council. I was privileged to
00:21:18 Speaker 53: attend yesterday a Women's Institute rally
00:21:20 Speaker 54: hosted by the Campbell Women's Institute,
00:21:24 Speaker 54: with four different Women's Institutes in
00:21:28 Speaker 54: being there for the day. MP
00:21:29 Speaker 55: Alex Rep was there as well,
00:21:32 Speaker 55: and Campbell Women's Institute celebrates 128
00:21:33 Speaker 55: years this year. They are the
00:21:34 Speaker 56: longest surviving Women's Institute, so it
00:21:37 Speaker 57: was a pleasure to be there.
00:21:40 Speaker 57: Excellent, and we'll go to Councillor
00:21:43 Speaker 58: McQueen. Thank you, Madam Warden, and
00:21:46 Speaker 58: County Council. Maybe back to me
00:21:48 Speaker 58: for maybe they didn't count the
00:21:49 Speaker 58: first year for the bear, so
00:21:51 Speaker 59: maybe it'll equal. Moving on, and
00:21:54 Speaker 59: I just wanted to say that
00:21:56 Speaker 59: we, as Grey Highlands Ram Rodeo,
00:21:57 Speaker 59: has completed five years of the
00:22:00 Speaker 59: the event. In total, amount that
00:22:01 Speaker 59: was raised was one hundred ninety
00:22:03 Speaker 59: six thousand eight hundred dollars, and
00:22:04 Speaker 59: has gone into the Mark Dill
00:22:06 Speaker 59: Hospital Foundation, which is more so
00:22:08 Speaker 59: more than what we committed to
00:22:10 Speaker 59: was 180. So I want to
00:22:12 Speaker 59: thank the sponsors. I want to
00:22:15 Speaker 59: thank the volunteers. I want to
00:22:16 Speaker 60: thank even the people that you
00:22:21 Speaker 61: know who came out and our
00:22:28 Speaker 61: staff who made it an event
00:22:30 Speaker 62: that was successful. So again, a
00:22:35 Speaker 62: big thank you for that, and
00:22:37 Speaker 62: it helps support. And council also
00:22:40 Speaker 62: is committed to have it host
00:22:46 Speaker 62: a grand rodeo again for next
00:22:48 Speaker 62: year. Thank you, and to Councillor
00:22:52 Speaker 62: Dobrin. Thank you, Warden. Good morning,
00:22:56 Speaker 62: County Council guests. I wanted to
00:22:58 Speaker 62: just thank the Warden for coming
00:23:00 Speaker 62: to the Soggy Valley Children's Safety
00:23:02 Speaker 62: Village last weekend for its barn-raising
00:23:05 Speaker 62: ribbon-cutting. The Gray Federation and Bruce
00:23:08 Speaker 62: Federation of Agriculture. has been fundraising
00:23:10 Speaker 62: to expand the agricultural education and
00:23:12 Speaker 62: safety section of the Children's Safety
00:23:14 Speaker 62: Village. If you haven't been to
00:23:17 Speaker 62: the village, it really is a
00:23:20 Speaker 62: remarkable place for young and and
00:23:24 Speaker 62: the young at heart. Although we
00:23:27 Speaker 62: can't get into the little carts,
00:23:29 Speaker 62: so I I did want to
00:23:32 Speaker 62: mention a big thank you that
00:23:35 Speaker 63: was extended by the village, the
00:23:37 Speaker 64: the Children's Safety Village, to Gray
00:23:40 Speaker 64: County for. its continued support of
00:23:43 Speaker 64: a multi-year sponsorship. So it is
00:23:45 Speaker 64: every time I go to this
00:23:48 Speaker 65: village, it change. It is there's
00:23:53 Speaker 66: something new and something exciting. It's
00:23:56 Speaker 67: a great learning opportunity for our
00:24:02 Speaker 67: youth. It is free for youth
00:24:03 Speaker 68: to attend. The schools need only
00:24:06 Speaker 68: support it through transportation, and they
00:24:08 Speaker 68: often get sponsorship. So thank you,
00:24:09 Speaker 69: County. Council, for its continued support
00:24:11 Speaker 69: of the village. Okay, thank you.
00:24:12 Speaker 69: And looking around the horseshoe, we'll
00:24:14 Speaker 69: go to Councillor Hutchinson. Yeah, thank
00:24:15 Speaker 69: you, and good morning again. I
00:24:19 Speaker 69: just want to follow up with
00:24:22 Speaker 69: Councillor Mill regarding the kite fest.
00:24:25 Speaker 69: You can go to the South
00:24:28 Speaker 69: Bay Chamber of Commerce website to
00:24:30 Speaker 69: get the all the mapping and
00:24:33 Speaker 69: details are on there. Also, I'm
00:24:35 Speaker 69: There. Also, I want to announce
00:24:36 Speaker 69: that Saturday, September 27th, the Durham
00:24:37 Speaker 69: Hospital Foundation, in we're chasing a
00:24:38 Speaker 69: 1.2 million dollar asset enhancement to
00:24:40 Speaker 69: the Durham Hospital. It's a new
00:24:41 Speaker 70: X-ray suite. We're holding a ACDC
00:24:46 Speaker 71: tribute band called Thunderstruck. So tickets
00:24:49 Speaker 14: are available in your public yard.
00:24:52 Speaker 14: Where you go to the Durham
00:24:55 Speaker 14: Hospital Foundation and get a hold
00:24:56 Speaker 14: of me. But we have tickets
00:24:58 Speaker 14: for sale for that. Then all
00:25:00 Speaker 14: proceeds are for the the new
00:25:02 Speaker 14: X-ray suite in the hospital. Thank
00:25:04 Speaker 14: you. Okay, thank you, and I
00:25:07 Speaker 14: think. Okay, well, I will just
00:25:09 Speaker 14: conclude with the youngest fair, which
00:25:11 Speaker 14: is only 153 years. So we
00:25:13 Speaker 14: have a lot of catching up
00:25:14 Speaker 14: to do with you. But the
00:25:15 Speaker 14: Beaver Valley Fall Fair will come
00:25:18 Speaker 14: on September 5th and 6th. Let
00:25:19 Speaker 14: me see the the Friday and
00:25:21 Speaker 14: and Saturday of that weekend, September
00:25:23 Speaker 14: 5th and 6th, I believe it
00:25:25 Speaker 14: is. And so hopefully that doesn't
00:25:27 Speaker 14: conflict. Everybody can attend all of
00:25:29 Speaker 14: them if they like, and we
00:25:31 Speaker 14: will be having that at our
00:25:32 Speaker 72: Beaver Valley Community Centre in in
00:25:37 Speaker 73: Thornbury, and of course with the
00:25:40 Speaker 73: Morro Park right next door. It's
00:25:42 Speaker 74: a great indoor/outdoor, rain or shine
00:25:45 Speaker 74: activity. We'll have lots going there,
00:25:47 Speaker 74: and expect lots of good entries
00:25:50 Speaker 74: coming into all the creative categories.
00:25:52 Speaker 74: Okay, so with that, then oh,
00:25:54 Speaker 74: well, there is one more. Then
00:25:55 Speaker 74: Councillor Eccles, I just couldn't let
00:25:57 Speaker 74: it pass the Durham Fall Fair.
00:25:58 Speaker 74: is on August twenty ninth to
00:26:00 Speaker 75: thirty first. In doing a lot
00:26:03 Speaker 76: of research, we have found that
00:26:06 Speaker 76: at least the first five years
00:26:08 Speaker 76: of the Durham Fall Fair were
00:26:11 Speaker 76: not recorded. So this is the
00:26:12 Speaker 76: one hundred and sixty fifth that's
00:26:17 Speaker 76: recorded. So we're usually about one
00:26:20 Speaker 76: hundred and seventy. So yes, we're
00:26:23 Speaker 76: taking the gold medal. We are
00:26:25 Speaker 77: the number one. Durham Fall Fair
00:26:31 Speaker 77: is on the August long weekend
00:26:33 Speaker 77: or September first long weekend. Thank
00:26:37 Speaker 77: you very. much. Very similar to
00:26:39 Speaker 78: a lot of other with the
00:26:44 Speaker 79: horse show in-house activities and whatnot,
00:26:47 Speaker 79: but the Friday, Saturday, and Sunday
00:26:49 Speaker 80: activities there. So come to what
00:26:53 Speaker 80: we understand to be the longest-running
00:26:55 Speaker 81: fall fair in Gray County. Oh,
00:26:58 Speaker 81: okay. And now I see the
00:27:02 Speaker 82: deputy warden has raised his hand.
00:27:06 Speaker 82: Thank you, Madam Warden. I think
00:27:08 Speaker 82: it's fair to say that Dundalk
00:27:09 Speaker 83: is 168 years, but the first
00:27:13 Speaker 83: 10 years of that fair were
00:27:15 Speaker 83: not recorded. So, the weekend after
00:27:16 Speaker 84: Labour Day, come on down to
00:27:19 Speaker 84: Dundalk and enjoy the fair. It's
00:27:20 Speaker 84: been there a long time—a fairly
00:27:22 Speaker 84: long time. Thank you very much,
00:27:24 Speaker 84: and I suppose if we were
00:27:26 Speaker 84: able to speak to Clark the
00:27:28 Speaker 84: pig from Clarksville, he he might
00:27:29 Speaker 84: challenge how early things were starting
00:27:30 Speaker 85: ahead of the Beaver Valley Fall
00:27:34 Speaker 85: Fair over in what was Collingwood
00:27:36 Speaker 85: Township at the time. So what
00:27:37 Speaker 85: I can say is, wow, look
00:27:39 Speaker 86: at the impact that agriculture has
00:27:41 Speaker 86: had on the tradition and the
00:27:44 Speaker 86: years and the decades and hundreds
00:27:46 Speaker 86: of years that makes up the
00:27:47 Speaker 86: very fabric of who we are
00:27:49 Speaker 03: in Gray County. So with that.
00:28:02 Speaker 03: I will call a motion to
00:28:03 Speaker 03: adjourn. May I have a mover?
00:28:05 Speaker 87: Thank you, Councillor Debrine. Seconded by
00:28:07 Speaker 87: Councillor Kevany. Any discussion? All those
00:28:08 Speaker 87: in favour? And that motion is
00:28:10 Speaker 87: carried. We will now carry on.
00:28:13 Speaker 87: Give a few moments to switch
00:28:15 Speaker 87: over the technology before our committee
00:28:19 Speaker 87: of the whole. Okay. Thank you
00:28:22 Speaker 87: very much. I'd now like to
00:28:24 Speaker 87: call to order this committee. The
00:28:26 Speaker 87: whole meeting of August Fourteenth, Twenty
00:28:27 Speaker 87: Twenty Five. At this point in
00:28:29 Speaker 87: time, I'll ask if there are
00:28:30 Speaker 87: any declarations of interest. Seeing none,
00:28:33 Speaker 87: we will move through business arising
00:28:36 Speaker 87: from the minutes. Seeing nothing, we
00:28:38 Speaker 87: will go. Then we have we
00:28:40 Speaker 88: have three different delegations under Section
00:28:52 Speaker 88: Four, so we're going to each
00:28:53 Speaker 89: one will be shared virtually. So
00:28:56 Speaker 90: we will go to the screen.
00:28:59 Speaker 90: To first of all, we'll call
00:29:01 Speaker 90: upon Ms. Cassidy. Call upon Miss
00:29:02 Speaker 90: Cassidy, who will be presenting with
00:29:04 Speaker 87: regards to BECOM, and I believe
00:29:06 Speaker 87: the clerks will bring her online
00:29:08 Speaker 87: so we can all have a
00:29:08 Speaker 87: look on our screens. Sorry. Good
00:29:10 Speaker 87: morning. I'm just going to get
00:29:12 Speaker 87: my video up here. Good morning,
00:29:14 Speaker 91: Miss Cassidy. Good morning, everyone. can
00:29:17 Speaker 91: hear and see me. Yes, we
00:29:18 Speaker 91: can. And as you know, you
00:29:19 Speaker 91: have ten minutes to make your
00:29:22 Speaker 91: deputation. At that point, at your
00:29:24 Speaker 91: conclusion, I'll look around the room
00:29:25 Speaker 91: and see if we have any
00:29:30 Speaker 91: questions for you. So you have
00:29:32 Speaker 91: the floor. Okay. Thank you. Good
00:29:33 Speaker 91: morning. Good morning, Madam Warden, and
00:29:35 Speaker 91: respected members of Council. Thank you
00:29:37 Speaker 91: for taking the time to read
00:29:39 Speaker 91: and consider all the feedback from
00:29:40 Speaker 91: surrounding neighbours. Those who will have
00:29:43 Speaker 91: to live with this development, if
00:29:46 Speaker 91: allowed to proceed, and those who
00:29:47 Speaker 91: clearly oppose. I'm here speaking not
00:29:49 Speaker 91: only on my behalf and my
00:29:51 Speaker 91: family's behalf, but on theirs as
00:29:54 Speaker 91: well. I hope you have all
00:29:56 Speaker 91: had a chance to read and
00:29:57 Speaker 91: review the many letters submitted that
00:29:59 Speaker 91: were not included in the staff
00:30:01 Speaker 91: report. You have read many concerns
00:30:04 Speaker 91: about noise, traffic, environment, and concerns
00:30:07 Speaker 91: of who will be able to
00:30:09 Speaker 91: police these events and ensure they
00:30:13 Speaker 91: are operating as stated, especially late
00:30:15 Speaker 91: into the evening. What this comes
00:30:18 Speaker 91: down to, with respect to this
00:30:21 Speaker 91: meeting. is whether it is appropriate
00:30:23 Speaker 91: place for this type of growth
00:30:28 Speaker 91: and development under the Planning Act.
00:30:29 Speaker 91: Based on everything you have
00:30:31 Speaker 91: heard and read, having a 365
00:30:34 Speaker 91: day event venue, essentially mainly for
00:30:36 Speaker 91: weddings, and amplified music, and extended
00:30:38 Speaker 91: noise times right next door to
00:30:40 Speaker 91: residential houses makes this area entirely
00:30:42 Speaker 91: not the right place. The municipality
00:30:45 Speaker 91: of Grey Highlands just voted against
00:30:46 Speaker 91: this on June 18th. To summarise,
00:30:48 Speaker 91: this site is not surrounded by
00:30:52 Speaker 91: farmland. It's surrounded by residential properties.
00:30:55 Speaker 91: People live here and conduct their
00:30:57 Speaker 91: lives here. A simple Google search
00:30:59 Speaker 91: turns up eight homes within a
00:31:01 Speaker 91: few hundred metres of this proposed
00:31:03 Speaker 91: site, and many more within a
00:31:05 Speaker 91: kilometre. Please consider if any of
00:31:07 Speaker 91: you would be okay with having
00:31:10 Speaker 91: this right beside your home, and
00:31:12 Speaker 91: please vote accordingly. Noise studies. Noise
00:31:14 Speaker 91: studies are incomplete. The tests completed
00:31:16 Speaker 91: are simulated and not an actual
00:31:18 Speaker 91: representation of how noise will travel.
00:31:20 Speaker 91: To do this, the company that
00:31:24 Speaker 91: did the study would have had
00:31:26 Speaker 91: to have set up smart sorry
00:31:28 Speaker 91: smart microphones to monitor the sound
00:31:32 Speaker 91: on neighbouring properties. To my knowledge,
00:31:34 Speaker 91: this was not done. I can
00:31:36 Speaker 91: say this with confidence because my
00:31:40 Speaker 91: husband is has a sound engineering
00:31:43 Speaker 91: degree, and we own an audio
00:31:46 Speaker 91: production company and often have to
00:31:48 Speaker 91: monitor sound levels at events. A
00:31:50 Speaker 91: blanket change to the noise bylaw
00:31:51 Speaker 91: extended to these times is ridiculous
00:31:56 Speaker 91: and unfair to surrounding residents, and
00:32:00 Speaker 91: seems to be a contradiction to
00:32:02 Speaker 91: the eco-friendly venue that is being
00:32:05 Speaker 91: proposed. The current bylaw states that
00:32:06 Speaker 91: the loud operation of vehicle, home
00:32:09 Speaker 91: radio, stereo, or alike, at a
00:32:12 Speaker 91: level to disturb others, and can
00:32:13 Speaker 91: be heard at a loud level
00:32:15 Speaker 91: more. than fifty feet from the
00:32:16 Speaker 91: source is prohibited. There would be
00:32:19 Speaker 91: very limited employment opportunities for local
00:32:22 Speaker 91: businesses, as companies hired for events
00:32:25 Speaker 91: can be from anywhere, and will
00:32:28 Speaker 91: likely be someone that the event
00:32:30 Speaker 91: host knows and trusts. Tourism will
00:32:33 Speaker 91: not be bolstered as attendees will
00:32:37 Speaker 91: come to site, make noise and
00:32:39 Speaker 91: pollution, and leave to go to
00:32:42 Speaker 91: their homes outside of the area.
00:32:43 Speaker 91: Increased tourism. should not be considered
00:32:46 Speaker 91: in major residential areas. It should
00:32:48 Speaker 91: be directed towards city centres. There
00:32:51 Speaker 91: are two destination wedding venues within
00:32:53 Speaker 91: the immediate area, and additional ten
00:32:56 Speaker 91: within a twenty-kilometre drive of those
00:32:58 Speaker 91: seeking a natural-inspired event venue. There
00:33:00 Speaker 91: are also many Airbnb's as well
00:33:04 Speaker 91: as the Gandhi glamping across the
00:33:05 Speaker 91: street for those who are looking
00:33:08 Speaker 91: for a quiet retreat. Limiting size
00:33:12 Speaker 91: and scale is. smoke and
00:33:15 Speaker 91: mirrors. Fifty people can make just
00:33:17 Speaker 91: as much noise as ninety-five, and
00:33:19 Speaker 91: twelve occasions per year with ninety-five
00:33:21 Speaker 91: people is every weekend in the
00:33:25 Speaker 91: summer, when this would be most
00:33:27 Speaker 91: desirable. The additional trails that guests
00:33:29 Speaker 91: would be permitted to access is
00:33:31 Speaker 91: very concerning, as there's high potential
00:33:34 Speaker 91: for ecological damage under little supervision.
00:33:36 Speaker 91: Trespassing to neighbour properties, despite signage,
00:33:41 Speaker 91: will be inevitable. noting there is
00:33:45 Speaker 91: hunting in this area, and guests
00:33:48 Speaker 91: would likely be unaware of those
00:33:50 Speaker 91: rules and regulations. On-site porta potties,
00:33:53 Speaker 91: being considered for three years, should
00:33:56 Speaker 91: not be an option, and it
00:33:59 Speaker 91: is a red flag given the
00:34:02 Speaker 91: owner's history of non-compliance and unwillingness
00:34:05 Speaker 91: to consider the temporary use bylaw.
00:34:08 Speaker 91: As noted, the subject application falls
00:34:11 Speaker 91: outside of OPA twenty-three. Paul. Twenty-three
00:34:14 Speaker 91: policy. Sorry, the OPA twenty-three policy,
00:34:20 Speaker 91: and should not be considered on
00:34:22 Speaker 91: that basis. Given the amplified noise
00:34:25 Speaker 91: to be endured for extended hours,
00:34:29 Speaker 91: exceeding the maximum area, even when
00:34:32 Speaker 91: including trails, the number of guests
00:34:35 Speaker 91: allowed all year all year long,
00:34:38 Speaker 91: in a very residential area, the
00:34:42 Speaker 91: subject application is not small or
00:34:44 Speaker 91: recreational, and is no comparison. to
00:34:48 Speaker 91: OPA 23. Regarding OPA 22, the
00:34:50 Speaker 91: application states there will be 95
00:34:52 Speaker 91: people per event on a 40.76
00:34:57 Speaker 91: hectare property. This is misleading, as
00:35:00 Speaker 91: only 1.05 hectares are actually proposed
00:35:03 Speaker 91: for use. The remainder consists of
00:35:06 Speaker 91: significant woodland and wetland that will
00:35:09 Speaker 91: remain largely unused. This results in
00:35:12 Speaker 91: the actual density of over nine
00:35:15 Speaker 91: thousand and forty people per kilometre
00:35:17 Speaker 91: squared, which far exceeds the rural
00:35:19 Speaker 91: density standard of four hundred people
00:35:22 Speaker 91: per kilometre squared. Such density contradicts
00:35:24 Speaker 91: the definition of resource-based recreational use,
00:35:25 Speaker 91: and effectively reclassifies this operation as
00:35:28 Speaker 91: a commercial property. Finally, I'd like
00:35:29 Speaker 91: to reiterate: this is a rural
00:35:32 Speaker 91: residential area with many. surrounding residents
00:35:34 Speaker 91: that consists of young families, retired
00:35:37 Speaker 91: couples, and vacation homes. It is
00:35:38 Speaker 91: not the appropriate place for a
00:35:42 Speaker 91: commercial venue of this size. I'd
00:35:45 Speaker 91: like to take just another moment
00:35:46 Speaker 91: of your time to show you
00:35:50 Speaker 91: how close in proximity this proposed
00:35:54 Speaker 91: development is to my home as
00:35:56 Speaker 91: well as my neighbours. I'm currently
00:35:58 Speaker 91: standing on my neighbour's property and
00:36:00 Speaker 91: have been given permission from the
00:36:02 Speaker 91: vanrees, and I'm with well within
00:36:13 Speaker 91: their. property line, just behind this
00:36:18 Speaker 91: fence, just behind this fence behind
00:36:21 Speaker 91: me, is one of the proposed
00:36:22 Speaker 91: parking lots, cabin, tent, and cabin
00:36:24 Speaker 91: and tent camping areas. It is
00:36:26 Speaker 91: in very close proximity to my
00:36:30 Speaker 91: neighbour's front door, into our house,
00:36:35 Speaker 91: and our bedroom window, which is
00:36:41 Speaker 91: within 200 feet to the west
00:36:44 Speaker 91: behind the Van Rie residence. So
00:36:47 Speaker 91: this site currently has some yurts
00:36:49 Speaker 91: and a bathhouse that are already
00:36:51 Speaker 91: constructed. I'd like to just mention
00:36:54 Speaker 91: once more that I am within
00:36:55 Speaker 91: the property line, and I am
00:36:58 Speaker 91: not trespassing. There is a yurt
00:37:00 Speaker 91: just right here, another bathhouse here,
00:37:04 Speaker 91: and a yurt. platform just here.
00:37:06 Speaker 91: This is my neighbour's front door,
00:37:07 Speaker 91: and just beyond that, as I
00:37:09 Speaker 91: mentioned, to the west is my
00:37:12 Speaker 91: home, my husband's home, and my
00:37:14 Speaker 92: two-year-old son's home. Our bedroom window
00:37:20 Speaker 92: also faces to the east towards
00:37:22 Speaker 92: the proposed development, which is quite
00:37:24 Speaker 92: concerning to us in regards to
00:37:25 Speaker 92: the noise bylaw extension that's being
00:37:26 Speaker 93: requested. I'd like to thank you
00:37:31 Speaker 93: all for taking the time to
00:37:32 Speaker 93: listen to the concerns of this
00:37:33 Speaker 93: quiet rural residential neighbourhood, and I
00:37:36 Speaker 93: ask you to vote against this
00:37:38 Speaker 93: proposed development. Okay, thank you very
00:37:39 Speaker 94: much, Miss Cassidy. I'll just give
00:37:43 Speaker 94: you a moment to find your
00:37:48 Speaker 94: spot, and I'll look around the
00:37:50 Speaker 87: room to see if there are
00:37:53 Speaker 87: any questions. And I am not
00:37:55 Speaker 87: seeing any online or here in
00:37:56 Speaker 87: the chamber. So, thank you again
00:37:57 Speaker 87: for presenting your material for us
00:37:59 Speaker 87: this morning for our consideration. Thank
00:38:01 Speaker 87: you. Thank you so much for
00:38:04 Speaker 87: listening. Have a great day. Okay.
00:38:06 Speaker 87: Thank you. And we will now.
00:38:08 Speaker 87: Okay. So next up, we we
00:38:10 Speaker 87: do have Ms. Yanson Grieve, but
00:38:11 Speaker 87: we don't see her yet logged
00:38:12 Speaker 87: on. So what we can do
00:38:13 Speaker 87: is we can move on to
00:38:14 Speaker 87: Ms. Loft, who is presenting on
00:38:15 Speaker 87: behalf of Bcom Incorporated, and we'll.
00:38:17 Speaker 95: keep an eye out for participation
00:38:19 Speaker 95: from our third deputation. So, good
00:38:20 Speaker 95: morning, Ms. Loft. We have everybody
00:38:22 Speaker 96: here in the chamber and virtual.
00:38:25 Speaker 96: So, again, if you you will
00:38:28 Speaker 03: have ten minutes, and then at
00:38:39 Speaker 97: the end of that, I will
00:38:42 Speaker 97: take a moment to look around
00:38:44 Speaker 97: the room to see if there
00:38:46 Speaker 97: are any questions for you. You
00:38:47 Speaker 98: have the floor. Good morning. Thank
00:38:50 Speaker 98: you. So, I do have a
00:38:52 Speaker 98: PowerPoint, and I understand from staff
00:38:55 Speaker 98: that I am to present. So,
00:38:57 Speaker 98: I'll just share my screen if
00:38:59 Speaker 98: that's okay. Yes, please do. Thank
00:38:59 Speaker 98: you. Good morning to Warden Matrosovs,
00:39:01 Speaker 98: to County Council, as well as
00:39:02 Speaker 99: staff. My name is Christine Loft
00:39:06 Speaker 99: of Loft Planning Inc., and I
00:39:08 Speaker 99: am representing the landowner, Beacom Inc.
00:39:10 Speaker 99: The owners are online as well
00:39:11 Speaker 99: as in the audience today, and
00:39:13 Speaker 99: this delegation is related to official
00:39:15 Speaker 100: plan amendment twenty. Two. I am
00:39:17 Speaker 100: going to run through the slides
00:39:19 Speaker 100: fairly quickly, just because I have
00:39:21 Speaker 101: quite a few slides in ten
00:39:24 Speaker 102: minutes. So we are delegating today
00:39:27 Speaker 103: in order to provide County Council
00:39:30 Speaker 104: an overview of the proposal and
00:39:33 Speaker 105: to provide the updates that have
00:39:35 Speaker 105: been made from the original proposal
00:39:38 Speaker 105: in response to the comments received
00:39:40 Speaker 105: at the statutory public meeting, and
00:39:43 Speaker 105: ultimately to request that County Council
00:39:44 Speaker 105: approve the official plan amendment and
00:39:46 Speaker 105: and allow the daily details of
00:39:49 Speaker 105: the operations to be dealt with.
00:39:51 Speaker 105: through the implementing zoning bylaw amendment
00:39:52 Speaker 105: before the municipality of Grey Highlands.
00:39:54 Speaker 105: The property is known as four
00:39:56 Speaker 105: six six six one five twelfth
00:39:59 Speaker 105: concession B within the municipality of
00:40:01 Speaker 105: Grey Highlands. The lands are rectangularly
00:40:04 Speaker 105: shaped and located on the north
00:40:07 Speaker 105: side of the twelfth concession B.
00:40:10 Speaker 105: The lands are forty point seven
00:40:12 Speaker 105: six hectares, seven six hectares in
00:40:15 Speaker 105: lot area, with a lot frontage
00:40:17 Speaker 105: of three hundred and forty three
00:40:20 Speaker 105: metres. There are existing structures on.
00:40:22 Speaker 105: the property, including a dwelling, accessory
00:40:25 Speaker 105: and accessory structures. The lands are
00:40:26 Speaker 105: surrounded to the north by woodlands
00:40:28 Speaker 105: and agricultural lands. To the east,
00:40:30 Speaker 105: with woodlands, rural lands, and rural
00:40:36 Speaker 105: residents, rural residences. To the south
00:40:37 Speaker 105: are the are residences associated with
00:40:39 Speaker 105: Lake Eugenia, as well as extensive
00:40:42 Speaker 105: woodlands. And to the west are
00:40:45 Speaker 105: woodlands, rural lands, and a number
00:40:48 Speaker 105: of rural residences. The lands are
00:40:51 Speaker 105: reg. The lands are regulated by
00:40:54 Speaker 105: the Great Southern Conservation Authority, and
00:40:56 Speaker 105: specifically, the area at the front
00:40:57 Speaker 105: of the property, which we're proposing
00:40:59 Speaker 105: to redesignate, are regulated. With respect
00:41:01 Speaker 105: to the proposed venue use and
00:41:03 Speaker 105: accommodation use, there would be a
00:41:05 Speaker 105: proposed maximum of ninety-five guests permitted
00:41:07 Speaker 106: on site at any event. The
00:41:10 Speaker 107: proposed zoned and designated area is
00:41:13 Speaker 107: limited in area, and the proposed
00:41:15 Speaker 107: zoning would build upon. existing zoning
00:41:17 Speaker 107: by way of Exception Zero Four
00:41:19 Speaker 107: Three, which I'll speak about, and
00:41:21 Speaker 107: I know staff spoke about in
00:41:23 Speaker 107: their staff report as well. And
00:41:26 Speaker 107: so there are existing permissions on
00:41:27 Speaker 107: site for a health spa and
00:41:30 Speaker 107: for four trailer campsites as well
00:41:31 Speaker 107: as the dwelling. The lands are
00:41:34 Speaker 107: designated rural, wetland, and hazard. And
00:41:36 Speaker 107: the purpose of the official plan
00:41:38 Speaker 107: amendment is to amend Schedule A
00:41:43 Speaker 107: and to change the designation of
00:41:45 Speaker 107: the subject lands from. on a
00:41:47 Speaker 107: portion of the property from
00:41:50 Speaker 107: rural to the rural site specific
00:41:52 Speaker 107: designation, and as you will hear
00:41:54 Speaker 107: within the county staff report, the
00:41:58 Speaker 107: specific policy area will be limited
00:42:02 Speaker 107: to one point zero five hectares,
00:42:03 Speaker 107: and the site specific policy will
00:42:06 Speaker 107: permit an additional permitted
00:42:08 Speaker 107: use being an event venue. The
00:42:12 Speaker 107: county official plan provides that the
00:42:13 Speaker 107: rural areas will permit will permit
00:42:15 Speaker 107: the consideration of resource based recreational.
00:42:17 Speaker 107: Resource-based recreational uses and other appropriate
00:42:19 Speaker 107: rural land uses, so long as
00:42:21 Speaker 107: they do not impact agriculture, forestry,
00:42:23 Speaker 107: aggregate extraction, or the natural environment.
00:42:25 Speaker 107: And the official plan also provides
00:42:27 Speaker 107: that the rural land use type
00:42:30 Speaker 107: offers flexibility for law creation, economic
00:42:33 Speaker 107: development, tourism, residential, and recreation. And
00:42:36 Speaker 107: it also provides that while there
00:42:39 Speaker 107: is greater flexibility in the rural
00:42:42 Speaker 107: land use type, farming and resource
00:42:44 Speaker 107: uses are still to. be given
00:42:47 Speaker 107: priority for protection, and I would
00:42:49 Speaker 107: just provide that I've provided a
00:42:50 Speaker 107: planning report as well as an
00:42:51 Speaker 107: addendum, and certainly all of the
00:42:54 Speaker 107: policies within the rural designation have
00:42:55 Speaker 107: been provided in those reports and
00:42:57 Speaker 107: provide opinions with respect to the
00:42:58 Speaker 107: site plan. So this is a
00:43:00 Speaker 107: conceptual conceptual overview, and I've zoomed
00:43:01 Speaker 107: in just on the area that,
00:43:03 Speaker 107: in part, is proposed to be
00:43:07 Speaker 107: redesigned. Is proposed to be redesignated.
00:43:08 Speaker 107: So starting at the front lot
00:43:10 Speaker 107: line, and I guess because I'm
00:43:12 Speaker 107: presenting, I can sort of point.
00:43:13 Speaker 107: But the end at the at
00:43:15 Speaker 107: the front of the lot, of
00:43:17 Speaker 107: course, is the main entrance. And
00:43:20 Speaker 107: from the main entrance in is
00:43:22 Speaker 107: the existing residence, which is in
00:43:23 Speaker 107: on the left hand side and
00:43:27 Speaker 107: is in red. Moving down is
00:43:30 Speaker 107: a small parking area in yellow
00:43:32 Speaker 107: and labelled as parking. There is
00:43:34 Speaker 107: the hall, which is the proposed
00:43:38 Speaker 107: area as the event venue, and
00:43:41 Speaker 107: I'll show you photos in a
00:43:44 Speaker 107: minute. There is an existing pool
00:43:45 Speaker 107: on site. This purple area is
00:43:47 Speaker 107: the proposed septic system, and while
00:43:49 Speaker 107: this is conceptual, we have had
00:43:52 Speaker 107: Capes Engineering size it, so we
00:43:58 Speaker 107: expect that that shape and size
00:43:59 Speaker 107: is accurate. And then a parking
00:44:02 Speaker 108: area. There is the cabin tent
00:44:06 Speaker 108: area, and we've sort of shown
00:44:07 Speaker 108: in green the proposed tent sites,
00:44:10 Speaker 108: and as well as some additional
00:44:12 Speaker 108: parking to. Towards a little closer
00:44:14 Speaker 108: to the back of the property
00:44:15 Speaker 107: and a back of this designated
00:44:18 Speaker 107: area, and I would just note
00:44:21 Speaker 107: that this dark blue hashed line
00:44:24 Speaker 107: is actually the thirty-metre setback from
00:44:25 Speaker 107: the wetland and the hazard lands
00:44:28 Speaker 107: as identified within the environmental impact
00:44:32 Speaker 107: study. I have a few quick
00:44:34 Speaker 107: slides to show. So this is
00:44:37 Speaker 109: just a photo from the entrance,
00:44:39 Speaker 109: looking into the site and. you
00:44:41 Speaker 109: can see the existing house on
00:44:44 Speaker 107: the left. You can see the
00:44:47 Speaker 107: hall in the foreground, and then
00:44:49 Speaker 107: the pool is actually just beside
00:44:52 Speaker 107: the hall area. Two photos of,
00:44:53 Speaker 107: and you just saw them on
00:44:57 Speaker 107: the previous delegation. But there are
00:44:58 Speaker 107: existing platforms and yurts on site
00:45:01 Speaker 107: as part of the existing approvals
00:45:02 Speaker 107: of the site. This is actually
00:45:05 Speaker 107: a photo of the hall on
00:45:06 Speaker 107: the. left, a visual, and then
00:45:09 Speaker 107: an interior shot on the right-hand
00:45:11 Speaker 107: side. And then on the left,
00:45:15 Speaker 107: just a small area showing where
00:45:17 Speaker 107: wedding vows would be held, and
00:45:19 Speaker 107: on the right, just a photo
00:45:22 Speaker 107: of the pond area. This is
00:45:24 Speaker 107: the existing dwelling, and there are
00:45:26 Speaker 107: existing permissions in the zoning for
00:45:27 Speaker 107: a health spa as well as
00:45:29 Speaker 110: accommodation within that existing dwelling, and
00:45:32 Speaker 107: then a fire pit which exists
00:45:34 Speaker 107: today and just located. just in
00:45:37 Speaker 107: close proximity to the existing house.
00:45:41 Speaker 107: What is before County Council today
00:45:43 Speaker 107: is the official plan amendment. However,
00:45:45 Speaker 107: we are asking Council to approve
00:45:47 Speaker 107: the official plan amendment based on
00:45:48 Speaker 107: the details being provided within
00:45:51 Speaker 107: the implementing zoning bylaw. So, I
00:45:54 Speaker 107: just wanted to provide an overview
00:45:58 Speaker 107: of those details. So, the zoning
00:46:01 Speaker 107: bylaw does include a specific special
00:46:02 Speaker 107: events definition. Pardon me, as the
00:46:06 Speaker 107: zoning bylaw currently does not include.
00:46:08 Speaker 107: a definition. So the definition before
00:46:10 Speaker 107: before municipal council will be special
00:46:12 Speaker 107: events shall include the holding of
00:46:14 Speaker 107: an assembly of assembly of persons
00:46:17 Speaker 107: for the purpose of health and
00:46:19 Speaker 107: wellness retreats, educational events, corporate or
00:46:22 Speaker 107: business retreats, weddings, and other similar
00:46:24 Speaker 107: gatherings. And in terms of general
00:46:28 Speaker 107: provisions, total maximum number of guests
00:46:30 Speaker 107: on site at any given time:
00:46:32 Speaker 107: ninety-five persons per event. for twelve
00:46:34 Speaker 107: events a year, and a total
00:46:36 Speaker 107: maximum number of guests on site
00:46:37 Speaker 107: at any given time being for
00:46:40 Speaker 107: fifty persons, which would be unlimited
00:46:42 Speaker 107: number of events per year. Um,
00:46:46 Speaker 107: events could be held then January
00:46:50 Speaker 107: one through December thirty first, so
00:46:52 Speaker 107: all year annually, and then operations,
00:46:54 Speaker 107: um, Friday to Sunday events ending
00:46:56 Speaker 107: at eleven thirty p.m. and weekday
00:46:59 Speaker 107: hours of operations Monday through Thursday
00:47:01 Speaker 107: ending at eleven p.m. Ending at
00:47:02 Speaker 107: 11 p.m. So I have highlighted
00:47:05 Speaker 107: these in red because these have
00:47:08 Speaker 107: been changes that have been made
00:47:11 Speaker 107: since the initial submission in response
00:47:14 Speaker 107: to comments received at the public
00:47:16 Speaker 107: meeting. And with respect to on-site
00:47:18 Speaker 107: accommodation, there's a maximum of five
00:47:21 Speaker 107: guest cabins and a maximum of
00:47:24 Speaker 107: seven guest tents proposed, which just
00:47:27 Speaker 107: in terms of persons would be
00:47:28 Speaker 107: 34 guests. And then guest accommodation
00:47:30 Speaker 107: is 16 guests, and that is
00:47:32 Speaker 107: within the existing. house, and there
00:47:34 Speaker 107: are existing approvals for guests within
00:47:37 Speaker 107: that existing house. A number of
00:47:39 Speaker 107: technical reports have been completed, planning
00:47:41 Speaker 107: report as well as the draft
00:47:42 Speaker 107: amendments provided, and we provided addendum
00:47:45 Speaker 107: reports, a servicing report, an environmental
00:47:47 Speaker 107: impact study, a noise assessment has
00:47:49 Speaker 107: also been completed and has been
00:47:53 Speaker 107: peer reviewed. And while I won't
00:47:57 Speaker 107: go through the details of the
00:47:59 Speaker 107: technical studies, I did. just want
00:48:02 Speaker 107: to provide that again. The lands
00:48:04 Speaker 107: are regulated by the Conservation Authority.
00:48:05 Speaker 107: The Conservation Authority did review the
00:48:08 Speaker 107: environmental impact study and did provide
00:48:10 Speaker 107: comments on May twenty one, two
00:48:12 Speaker 107: thousand and twenty four. That the
00:48:15 Speaker 107: Conservation Authority has no objections to
00:48:17 Speaker 107: the proposal for the described zoning
00:48:20 Speaker 107: bylaw amendment application or the associated
00:48:23 Speaker 107: development. A noise assessment was completed,
00:48:26 Speaker 107: and the county actually had the
00:48:29 Speaker 107: noise assessment. peer reviewed on and
00:48:31 Speaker 107: on October twenty second two thousand
00:48:34 Speaker 107: and twenty four the peer review
00:48:36 Speaker 107: was completed and concluded that the
00:48:38 Speaker 107: proposed venue can be compatible. They
00:48:40 Speaker 107: did provide recommendations and we would
00:48:43 Speaker 107: agree that these recommendations are included
00:48:45 Speaker 107: within a site plan agreement, which
00:48:48 Speaker 107: of course would be typical. And
00:48:51 Speaker 107: it is proposed that and and
00:48:54 Speaker 107: the noise assessment did include this
00:48:57 Speaker 107: that an administration policy and management
00:49:00 Speaker 107: plan be. implemented by the land
00:49:04 Speaker 107: owner, and we actually have provided
00:49:06 Speaker 107: staff with a draft of what
00:49:08 Speaker 107: that policy would look like. A
00:49:10 Speaker 107: number of other considerations, of course,
00:49:13 Speaker 107: were made: traffic and traffic movements.
00:49:16 Speaker 107: There, a traffic impact study was
00:49:18 Speaker 107: not required as an as the
00:49:22 Speaker 107: anticipated traffic volumes are reasonable and
00:49:25 Speaker 107: serviceable by the existing road network.
00:49:26 Speaker 107: Refuse will be stored appropriately, covered
00:49:28 Speaker 107: on site. and within designated areas,
00:49:30 Speaker 107: an operational agreement would be provided
00:49:32 Speaker 107: to each organiser of events and
00:49:34 Speaker 107: would be mutually signed so they're
00:49:37 Speaker 107: aware of the rules and the
00:49:39 Speaker 107: limitations on site. And there will
00:49:42 Speaker 107: be on-site staffing at all times
00:49:44 Speaker 107: during event, representing the landowner and
00:49:46 Speaker 107: ensuring that the rules and regulations
00:49:48 Speaker 107: are met. Those are those are
00:49:51 Speaker 107: my those are my points. Those
00:49:54 Speaker 107: are my those are my comments,
00:49:57 Speaker 107: and on behalf of the owners
00:49:59 Speaker 107: of B Com Inc., we would
00:50:01 Speaker 107: ask the County Council approve the
00:50:02 Speaker 107: proposed official plan amendment before you.
00:50:05 Speaker 107: B Com wishes to establish and
00:50:08 Speaker 107: operate a successful and meaningful business
00:50:10 Speaker 107: that benefits both the municipality and
00:50:13 Speaker 107: the county. We have appreciated all
00:50:17 Speaker 107: of the work that municipal staff
00:50:19 Speaker 107: and county staff have put into
00:50:21 Speaker 107: this, and a lot of hours
00:50:26 Speaker 107: and time have been spent listening
00:50:28 Speaker 107: to the consideration. that we did
00:50:31 Speaker 92: here at the public meeting and
00:50:36 Speaker 92: following the public meeting, additional ratepayer
00:50:38 Speaker 92: comments. So we do feel that
00:50:40 Speaker 92: we we have listened to the
00:50:41 Speaker 92: comments. We've made significant changes to
00:50:43 Speaker 92: the proposal and feel that all
00:50:46 Speaker 92: of the recommendations provided within the
00:50:47 Speaker 92: technical reports can certainly be implemented
00:50:49 Speaker 31: through the zoning bylaw amendment through
00:50:51 Speaker 31: a site plan agreement. We are
00:50:53 Speaker 31: proposing a holding provision on the
00:50:54 Speaker 31: zoning. before municipal council, with regard
00:50:55 Speaker 31: to entering into a site plan
00:50:58 Speaker 31: agreement, and those are my comments.
00:51:06 Speaker 107: Okay, thank you very much, Miss
00:51:10 Speaker 107: Lovd. At this point in time,
00:51:12 Speaker 107: I will look around the chamber
00:51:14 Speaker 107: to see if there are any
00:51:16 Speaker 107: questions from council members. I'm going
00:51:19 Speaker 107: to go to Councillor Nielsen. Thank
00:51:23 Speaker 107: you very much, Warden. Just one
00:51:25 Speaker 107: question for clarity regarding the number
00:51:26 Speaker 107: of people's on site. Of persons
00:51:30 Speaker 107: on site, the 95 is the
00:51:33 Speaker 107: guests, and I'm just assuming that
00:51:35 Speaker 107: that does not include the number
00:51:37 Speaker 107: of staff that will require the
00:51:39 Speaker 107: band itself, event coordinators, and organisations.
00:51:40 Speaker 107: Thank you through you through you
00:51:41 Speaker 107: to the counselors. So the 95
00:51:44 Speaker 107: persons it includes guests, so that
00:51:45 Speaker 107: would include anyone staying anyone at
00:51:47 Speaker 107: the event and anyone staying overnight.
00:51:50 Speaker 107: It's it's a it's a total
00:51:57 Speaker 111: number of persons on site as
00:52:01 Speaker 112: part of the event. You are
00:52:03 Speaker 112: correct; it obviously does not include
00:52:04 Speaker 112: a person that's there overseeing the
00:52:09 Speaker 113: event or band members, which I
00:52:13 Speaker 113: would expect to be fairly minimal.
00:52:15 Speaker 113: But I think it's a good
00:52:17 Speaker 107: question, and it was—I know it
00:52:20 Speaker 107: was raised at municipal council, and
00:52:24 Speaker 107: I didn't have a chance to
00:52:26 Speaker 107: answer that day. But it is
00:52:28 Speaker 107: the total number of people that
00:52:32 Speaker 107: would be on site at the
00:52:35 Speaker 107: event. including those staying overnight. Thank
00:52:38 Speaker 107: you. Okay, it will go over
00:52:40 Speaker 107: to Councillor McKay. Yes, thank you.
00:52:42 Speaker 107: Through you, Warden. Sounds to me
00:52:44 Speaker 107: like was there a business there
00:52:47 Speaker 107: at one time. That's my only
00:52:49 Speaker 114: question. Ms. Loft, thank you. Through
00:52:54 Speaker 115: you to the councillor. So there
00:52:56 Speaker 116: are there are. existing zoning permissions
00:53:01 Speaker 116: on site that include a wellness
00:53:03 Speaker 117: facility within the existing house. It
00:53:06 Speaker 117: also did allow for overnight accommodation
00:53:08 Speaker 117: within the house, and it also
00:53:12 Speaker 117: included limited tent and trailer permissions
00:53:13 Speaker 117: on site. I'm not actually sure
00:53:14 Speaker 117: the extent of those operations, but
00:53:19 Speaker 117: certainly those are the permissions that
00:53:22 Speaker 117: are on site. I have been
00:53:23 Speaker 117: on site, and certainly those. portions
00:53:27 Speaker 117: exist, and and the house internally
00:53:31 Speaker 117: was certainly set up for a
00:53:33 Speaker 117: wellness centre. Thank you. Okay, I'll
00:53:34 Speaker 117: look around the room, and I'll
00:53:39 Speaker 117: go to Councillor Eccles. Thank you,
00:53:41 Speaker 107: and thank you for the presentation,
00:53:44 Speaker 107: Miss Loff. A couple of questions.
00:53:46 Speaker 107: One of them is on the
00:53:47 Speaker 107: 30 metre wetland setback. I can't
00:53:50 Speaker 107: tell you what page that's on.
00:53:53 Speaker 107: but it had the parking, the
00:53:54 Speaker 107: hall, the pool, the coloured one,
00:53:56 Speaker 107: and it's the blue line. It's
00:53:58 Speaker 107: a 30-metre setback, but it goes
00:53:59 Speaker 107: right through the pond area.
00:54:02 Speaker 107: I'm, I'm slightly confused on. We've
00:54:06 Speaker 107: got a setback from the, but
00:54:14 Speaker 107: it's right in the middle of
00:54:15 Speaker 107: the pond. Any explanation on that?
00:54:16 Speaker 107: Ms. Loft. Thank you. Thank you.
00:54:20 Speaker 118: Through the. chair to County Councillor
00:54:23 Speaker 118: Eccles. So the third, so first
00:54:24 Speaker 119: of all, we are meeting all
00:54:29 Speaker 117: of the setbacks to the wetland
00:54:32 Speaker 117: designation, and so if the
00:54:36 Speaker 117: wetland designate the wetland designation, I'd
00:54:39 Speaker 117: have to pull up the mapping,
00:54:41 Speaker 117: but it doesn't necessarily include the
00:54:46 Speaker 117: pond area. The pond area is
00:54:47 Speaker 117: likely within the conservation authority designate
00:54:50 Speaker 117: zones considered hazard. So we are
00:54:52 Speaker 117: meeting the requirements of the wetland
00:54:56 Speaker 117: designation. Okay, and I'll look around
00:54:58 Speaker 120: to see if there are any
00:55:02 Speaker 107: other questions. Oh, the follow-up from
00:55:05 Speaker 107: Councillor Eccles. Thank you. Yeah, I
00:55:08 Speaker 107: guess maybe the pond is not
00:55:12 Speaker 107: considered the wetland; it's just considered
00:55:14 Speaker 107: wet. My second question was somewhat
00:55:17 Speaker 107: similar to Councillor Nielsen's: ninety-five people
00:55:20 Speaker 107: or ninety-five guests on site for.
00:55:22 Speaker 107: twelve times a year, fifty people
00:55:26 Speaker 107: on site at any time, three
00:55:28 Speaker 107: hundred and sixty-five. I guess we
00:55:29 Speaker 107: could have that. So those twelve
00:55:32 Speaker 107: times of the year are those
00:55:33 Speaker 107: ninety-five in addition to the fifty,
00:55:35 Speaker 107: making it one forty-five for twelve
00:55:36 Speaker 107: times a year. Miss Lott, thank
00:55:38 Speaker 107: you, thank you. Through the chair
00:55:39 Speaker 107: to Councillor Eccles. So we. are
00:55:42 Speaker 107: proposing. So originally, the proposal was
00:55:45 Speaker 107: for 95 persons per event. But
00:55:46 Speaker 107: in listening to the comments received,
00:55:51 Speaker 107: it was decided by the landowners
00:55:54 Speaker 107: that really 12 events per year
00:55:56 Speaker 107: at the 95 persons was was
00:55:58 Speaker 107: reasonable in terms of the operations.
00:56:00 Speaker 107: They they certainly do not expect
00:56:01 Speaker 107: to have multiple events of that
00:56:04 Speaker 107: size a week, and that if
00:56:05 Speaker 107: you were holding an event of
00:56:08 Speaker 107: that size, then people. would want
00:56:11 Speaker 107: to be there the day before
00:56:14 Speaker 107: to set up and the day
00:56:19 Speaker 107: after to tear down, and and
00:56:22 Speaker 107: so it's certainly reasonable that there
00:56:25 Speaker 107: only be twelve events a year
00:56:28 Speaker 107: at the ninety-five persons, and with
00:56:30 Speaker 107: respect to the fifty persons, that
00:56:32 Speaker 107: would so it it the intent
00:56:35 Speaker 107: would be that those fifty persons
00:56:36 Speaker 107: would be it's obviously a much
00:56:38 Speaker 107: smaller event that it would be
00:56:42 Speaker 107: held in the hall, and that
00:56:45 Speaker 107: those may be through. Those may
00:56:47 Speaker 107: be throughout the year, so they
00:56:49 Speaker 121: could be within inclement weather, because
00:56:54 Speaker 121: the the event would be held
00:56:55 Speaker 122: within the hall only and limited
00:56:58 Speaker 122: to fifty persons per event. So,
00:56:59 Speaker 122: if like basically only twelve events
00:57:01 Speaker 122: a year can be at the
00:57:03 Speaker 123: ninety-five persons on site at any
00:57:06 Speaker 123: given time, should the owner wish
00:57:09 Speaker 123: to have within the same week
00:57:11 Speaker 124: a fifty event, a fifty persons
00:57:14 Speaker 124: event. They could do that, say
00:57:16 Speaker 107: on a Tuesday or Wednesday, a
00:57:19 Speaker 107: corporate retreat, a birthday party, a
00:57:26 Speaker 107: wedding shower. So, so there could
00:57:28 Speaker 93: be multiple events a year. However,
00:57:31 Speaker 93: the ninety-five persons per event would
00:57:34 Speaker 93: be limited to twelve. Okay, thank
00:57:37 Speaker 93: you. I have a question from
00:57:39 Speaker 93: the deputy warden. Thank you, Madam
00:57:43 Speaker 93: Warden, and thank you, Miss Law,
00:57:44 Speaker 93: for the presentation. How did you,
00:57:45 Speaker 93: or how did the proponent, come
00:57:46 Speaker 93: to the number of ninety-five? Like,
00:57:48 Speaker 125: not ninety-four, not ninety-six, ninety-five. How
00:57:51 Speaker 125: did you come to that one?
00:57:52 Speaker 126: Please. Thank you, Miss Lott. Thank
00:57:55 Speaker 126: you. Through the chair
00:57:57 Speaker 126: to the county councillor. It is
00:57:59 Speaker 126: the occupancy of the hall. Okay.
00:58:01 Speaker 10: Thank you. I'll look around for
00:58:03 Speaker 10: any further questions. Not seeing any
00:58:05 Speaker 10: here. We'll go to that's Madam
00:58:12 Speaker 127: Clerk. That's not Councillor Bourdonal's hand,
00:58:18 Speaker 128: right? That's just the cursor. Yeah.
00:58:21 Speaker 128: Okay. All right. Okay. So it
00:58:22 Speaker 03: looks like we've come to the
00:58:38 Speaker 129: conclusion of the questions for you,
00:58:44 Speaker 129: Ms. Loff. Thank you very much
00:58:46 Speaker 129: for presenting and for sharing your
00:58:47 Speaker 129: materials. Thank you for your time.
00:58:50 Speaker 129: Okay. Thank you. So with that,
00:58:51 Speaker 129: then we will move on to
00:58:52 Speaker 129: items to determine requiring separate discussion,
01:05:20 Speaker 129: listed in section. six. We have
01:05:22 Speaker 129: five different items. Are there any
01:05:24 Speaker 129: items there that any county council
01:08:16 Speaker 129: members wish to pull? We'll go
01:08:17 Speaker 129: to councillor body. I'd like to
01:08:20 Speaker 129: discuss six D and E separately.
01:08:22 Speaker 129: We'll be passing and supporting, but
01:08:23 Speaker 129: just think they need to be
01:08:26 Speaker 129: highlighted. Thanks. Sorry, I'm just
01:08:28 Speaker 129: getting some messages there. Sorry, could
01:08:32 Speaker 129: we just take a five-minute break,
01:08:34 Speaker 129: please? We just need a chance
01:08:35 Speaker 129: to coordinate some some process questions
01:08:37 Speaker 129: that are coming across the table
01:08:39 Speaker 129: here. So we'll just take a
01:08:41 Speaker 129: brief five-minute break, please. If I
01:08:43 Speaker 129: can invite all the county members,
01:08:45 Speaker 129: county committee, the whole members back
01:08:46 Speaker 129: to their table, thank you. Okay,
01:08:48 Speaker 129: thank you very much, Committee. The
01:08:51 Speaker 129: whole members, we sorted our our
01:08:53 Speaker 129: questions here at the table out,
01:08:54 Speaker 129: and I'd like to be be
01:08:57 Speaker 129: able to begin again then with.
01:08:59 Speaker 129: item number five, determination of items
01:09:01 Speaker 129: requiring separate discussions. So, Councillor Body.
01:09:02 Speaker 129: Yeah, the questions that I had
01:09:04 Speaker 129: actually are pretty simple, and I
01:09:06 Speaker 129: got they got answered just in
01:09:09 Speaker 129: the break there. So I don't
01:09:11 Speaker 129: need to have those pulled from
01:09:12 Speaker 129: the consent. Thank you. Okay, thank
01:09:13 Speaker 129: you. Are there any other items
01:09:15 Speaker 129: through A through E that wish
01:09:18 Speaker 129: to be pulled that the committee,
01:09:21 Speaker 129: the whole members wish to pull?
01:09:25 Speaker 129: Okay, so seeing none then, and
01:09:27 Speaker 129: then I will then put out.
01:09:30 Speaker 129: the recommendation is that the following
01:09:35 Speaker 129: consent agenda consent agenda items be
01:09:37 Speaker 129: received, and that staff be authorised
01:09:38 Speaker 129: to take actions necessary to give
01:09:40 Speaker 129: effect to the recommendations in the
01:09:41 Speaker 129: staff reports, and that course that
01:09:43 Speaker 129: the correspondence be supported or received
01:09:44 Speaker 129: for information as recommended in the
01:09:47 Speaker 129: consent agenda. So with that, I'll
01:09:50 Speaker 129: look for a mover and a
01:09:51 Speaker 129: seconder, moved by Councillor Carleton, seconded
01:09:54 Speaker 129: by Councillor Dobrin. Any discussion? All
01:09:56 Speaker 129: those in favour? And that motion
01:10:01 Speaker 129: is carried. Thank you. Okay, so
01:10:04 Speaker 129: that allows us to move on
01:10:07 Speaker 129: to items for separate discussion, and
01:10:09 Speaker 129: we have we have six seven.
01:10:12 Speaker 129: We have a number of different
01:10:16 Speaker 129: items here, so we are going
01:10:20 Speaker 129: to begin with item seven A,
01:10:22 Speaker 129: just to get it onto the
01:10:24 Speaker 129: floor. Then I will look for
01:10:26 Speaker 129: if there's a mover and a
01:10:28 Speaker 129: seconder for the recommended motion that
01:10:30 Speaker 129: report PDRCW fifty two twenty five
01:10:35 Speaker 129: regarding OPA twenty two B. OPA
01:10:38 Speaker 129: 22 Bcom Inc Highland Estate be
01:10:39 Speaker 129: received, and that the official plan
01:10:40 Speaker 129: amendment 4208180 OPA 22 OPA 22
01:10:42 Speaker 129: Bcom Inc, also known as Highland
01:10:45 Speaker 129: Estate, which proposes a site-specific exception
01:10:52 Speaker 130: to the rural designation to permit
01:10:55 Speaker 131: a special events venue on approximately
01:10:59 Speaker 131: 105 acre at 1.05 acres, legally
01:11:02 Speaker 131: described as part lot 33 concession.
01:11:05 Speaker 131: thirteen in the geographic township of
01:11:08 Speaker 131: Artemisia, now in the municipality of
01:11:11 Speaker 131: Grey Highlands, be supported, and that
01:11:13 Speaker 131: staff be directed to prepare a
01:11:17 Speaker 131: bylaw for approval by county council.
01:11:22 Speaker 131: Is there a mover? Moved by
01:11:24 Speaker 131: Councillor Hutchinson, seconded. Seconded by Councillor
01:11:26 Speaker 131: Carleton. It's now on the floor
01:11:28 Speaker 131: for discussion. And with that, then
01:11:30 Speaker 131: I would like to invite Miss
01:11:32 Speaker 131: Hillier to come to the lectern
01:11:35 Speaker 131: to present, make her presentation. Good
01:11:36 Speaker 131: morning. Good morning, County Council. Before
01:11:39 Speaker 131: I get started today, I just
01:11:41 Speaker 131: wanted to acknowledge all of those
01:11:44 Speaker 131: individuals who provided input into this
01:11:47 Speaker 131: file that we're reviewing here today.
01:11:49 Speaker 131: Over the past year, we've had
01:11:51 Speaker 131: numerous public comments come in with
01:11:53 Speaker 131: regards to this development. I have.
01:11:54 Speaker 131: reviewed all of them. In particular,
01:11:56 Speaker 131: just before our, sorry, between the
01:11:59 Speaker 131: time of having written the staff
01:12:01 Speaker 131: report and and presenting here today,
01:12:02 Speaker 131: we did receive a number of
01:12:05 Speaker 131: new comments that have come in
01:12:08 Speaker 131: to myself and to our our
01:12:11 Speaker 131: clerk staff. To my knowledge, all
01:12:13 Speaker 131: or most of those have been
01:12:22 Speaker 131: circulated to our council members. I
01:12:23 Speaker 131: have personally reviewed all of those,
01:12:24 Speaker 131: and the ones that we see.
01:12:27 Speaker 131: on our consent agenda today were
01:12:29 Speaker 131: those individuals who had specifically requested
01:12:30 Speaker 131: that their comments be read or
01:12:32 Speaker 131: presented out to council today. So
01:12:35 Speaker 131: that was the reason that those
01:12:37 Speaker 131: comments were listed on the consent
01:12:40 Speaker 131: agenda, whereas others were not on
01:12:42 Speaker 131: the agenda. But I did just
01:12:45 Speaker 131: want to reassure everyone that those
01:12:48 Speaker 131: comments have been reviewed and acknowledged
01:12:50 Speaker 131: and certainly considered as part of
01:12:52 Speaker 131: this recommendation for the development as
01:12:54 Speaker 131: a whole. So with that. I
01:12:56 Speaker 131: can launch into things here. So
01:12:58 Speaker 131: Miss Loff did a great job
01:12:59 Speaker 131: presenting a bit of an overview
01:13:02 Speaker 131: of of this file, which was
01:13:04 Speaker 131: excellent. I am going to take
01:13:06 Speaker 131: a little bit more time with
01:13:08 Speaker 131: this one today, just acknowledging, you
01:13:11 Speaker 131: know, some of the discussions and
01:13:14 Speaker 131: and challenges with this file. You
01:13:16 Speaker 131: know, the the recommendation that we're
01:13:18 Speaker 131: presenting here today is is certainly
01:13:20 Speaker 131: not something. that I've I've taken
01:13:22 Speaker 131: lightly. There have been just numerous
01:13:24 Speaker 131: discussions between myself and Gray Highlands
01:13:26 Speaker 131: Planning staff with the applicant with
01:13:29 Speaker 131: members of the public. So this
01:13:30 Speaker 131: this really has been quite a
01:13:32 Speaker 131: complex process and certainly one of
01:13:36 Speaker 131: the more challenging files I've worked
01:13:38 Speaker 131: on during my time with the
01:13:41 Speaker 131: county. So as Miss Loft noted,
01:13:44 Speaker 131: we've got a County Official Plan
01:13:46 Speaker 131: Amendment OPA twenty two to establish
01:13:51 Speaker 131: a special events venue for hosting
01:13:53 Speaker 131: events weddings. retreats, other types of
01:13:56 Speaker 131: smaller functions, potentially family reunions, small
01:13:59 Speaker 131: classes, those types of things. The
01:14:01 Speaker 132: property is around forty point five
01:14:04 Speaker 132: hectares in size, just over a
01:14:07 Speaker 132: hundred acres or so. Currently features
01:14:08 Speaker 132: a single residential dwelling and accessory
01:14:09 Speaker 132: structures. Some of those accessory structures
01:14:11 Speaker 132: include a historic hangar on the
01:14:13 Speaker 132: property, as well as a building
01:14:15 Speaker 131: that would be converted to that
01:14:18 Speaker 131: hall function for accommodating events. The
01:14:20 Speaker 131: lands have frontage on twelve. Have
01:14:22 Speaker 131: frontage on Twelfth Concession B in
01:14:24 Speaker 131: Grey Highlands, and the surrounding land
01:14:28 Speaker 131: uses largely include forest, wetlands, and
01:14:29 Speaker 131: other smaller residential parcels to the
01:14:31 Speaker 131: south. As one of the commenters
01:14:33 Speaker 131: today had noted, the municipality of
01:14:34 Speaker 131: Grey Highlands has also recently approved
01:14:37 Speaker 131: a ten-unit blamping facility on a
01:14:39 Speaker 131: property just south. So this is
01:14:41 Speaker 131: the subject property here. This little
01:14:42 Speaker 131: cleared area. towards the bottom is.
01:14:43 Speaker 131: Sorry, I'm not sure you can't
01:14:45 Speaker 131: actually see. My first, the cleared
01:14:48 Speaker 131: area towards the bottom of the
01:14:49 Speaker 131: site is is where the event
01:14:51 Speaker 131: function would be held, and then
01:14:53 Speaker 131: the property just to kind of
01:14:55 Speaker 131: kitty corner there. The larger one
01:14:58 Speaker 131: south of of Twelve Concession B
01:14:59 Speaker 131: is where that glamping facility has
01:15:00 Speaker 131: has been approved. So just to
01:15:03 Speaker 131: zoom in a little bit closer
01:15:04 Speaker 131: here, you can see towards the
01:15:07 Speaker 131: road we've got the dwelling that
01:15:09 Speaker 131: exists that would be used for
01:15:10 Speaker 131: that short-term accommodation. purposes for guests,
01:15:13 Speaker 131: we've got that central parking area.
01:15:14 Speaker 131: Towards the back, you can see
01:15:17 Speaker 131: a little structure right at the
01:15:19 Speaker 131: top of the screen. There, that's
01:15:21 Speaker 131: the historic hangar. One of the
01:15:24 Speaker 131: changes that has been proposed or
01:15:26 Speaker 131: has come about as a result
01:15:28 Speaker 131: of some of the comments from
01:15:29 Speaker 131: the public and and some of
01:15:31 Speaker 131: those studies that we reviewed is
01:15:33 Speaker 131: initially events were going to be
01:15:34 Speaker 131: held, or there was an option
01:15:35 Speaker 131: of the for events to be
01:15:36 Speaker 131: held within that hangar structure. Is
01:15:39 Speaker 133: is kind of a live music.
01:15:43 Speaker 133: Is this kind of a live
01:15:45 Speaker 133: music type of venue? The noise
01:15:47 Speaker 134: studies we personally felt were were
01:15:49 Speaker 134: going to be too impactful for
01:15:51 Speaker 134: the for the natural environment, and
01:15:53 Speaker 131: so we did request with the
01:15:56 Speaker 131: applicant that that be removed from
01:15:57 Speaker 131: the event portion. So that is
01:15:59 Speaker 131: no longer contemplated within the OPA,
01:16:01 Speaker 131: and that structure has been removed.
01:16:05 Speaker 131: So all of the amplified noise
01:16:07 Speaker 131: would be held within the hall
01:16:10 Speaker 131: structure, was which is sort of
01:16:12 Speaker 131: in the central portion of that
01:16:15 Speaker 131: treat area. There, these are older
01:16:16 Speaker 131: photos. so you can't see the
01:16:17 Speaker 131: building at this point. And then,
01:16:20 Speaker 131: sort of to the left of
01:16:22 Speaker 131: that treat area would be where
01:16:23 Speaker 131: the short-term accommodation uses would be.
01:16:25 Speaker 131: So, just as some additional background
01:16:28 Speaker 131: here, the lands are designated as
01:16:30 Speaker 131: rural hazard lands and provincially significant
01:16:33 Speaker 131: wet wetlands and Schedule A
01:16:35 Speaker 131: of the county's official plan. It's
01:16:38 Speaker 131: also designated as a core area.
01:16:40 Speaker 131: So, for those who aren't aware,
01:16:41 Speaker 131: our core area is our areas
01:16:43 Speaker 131: within the county that we see
01:16:44 Speaker 131: as being See it being the
01:16:47 Speaker 131: most ecologically significant because they often
01:16:49 Speaker 131: overlap with our significant wetlands and
01:16:50 Speaker 131: our significant woodlands, and they provide
01:16:52 Speaker 131: a very contiguous area of species
01:16:55 Speaker 131: habitat. And so, from that perspective,
01:16:56 Speaker 131: from the beginning, you know, one
01:16:59 Speaker 131: of the public interests here is
01:17:02 Speaker 131: really that protection of the natural
01:17:05 Speaker 131: environment. And so, we did request
01:17:09 Speaker 131: from the beginning that an environmental
01:17:12 Speaker 131: impact study be conducted at the
01:17:14 Speaker 131: site, which has been done and
01:17:15 Speaker 131: reviewed by our planning ecology staff.
01:17:18 Speaker 131: in house, the event buildings are
01:17:20 Speaker 131: predominantly located within existing cleared areas
01:17:23 Speaker 131: of the property. As noted, just
01:17:26 Speaker 131: if we scroll back one, that
01:17:27 Speaker 131: kind of pocket of trees right
01:17:30 Speaker 131: in the middle. A portion of
01:17:32 Speaker 131: that is proposed to be cleared
01:17:34 Speaker 131: for a future septic system, which
01:17:36 Speaker 131: would connect the event hall as
01:17:38 Speaker 131: well as all of the accommodation
01:17:41 Speaker 131: uses. So everything would be run
01:17:44 Speaker 131: on a central septic system, which
01:17:45 Speaker 131: would you know have the impact
01:17:48 Speaker 131: of the kind of consolidating. Of
01:17:50 Speaker 131: kind of consolidating the septic and
01:17:53 Speaker 131: you know kind of preventing potential
01:17:54 Speaker 131: future impacts with the surrounding wetland
01:17:57 Speaker 131: feature, for example. So, along with
01:18:00 Speaker 131: the county official plan amendment, as
01:18:01 Speaker 131: Ms. Loth noted, a zoning bylaw
01:18:03 Speaker 131: amendment has been submitted to Gray
01:18:06 Speaker 131: Highlands. These have been both of
01:18:09 Speaker 131: these applications have been reviewed concurrently
01:18:11 Speaker 131: by county and municipal staff. The
01:18:13 Speaker 131: zoning proposal in front of Gray
01:18:15 Speaker 131: Highlands. at the moment would permit
01:18:16 Speaker 131: the proposed special event use as
01:18:18 Speaker 131: well as overnight guest accommodations. So
01:18:21 Speaker 131: that includes a maximum of five
01:18:22 Speaker 131: guest cabins, seven tent sites, accommodation
01:18:24 Speaker 131: for up to 14 guests in
01:18:26 Speaker 131: existing structures, and a total of
01:18:29 Speaker 131: 41 parking spaces. As Ms. Loft
01:18:32 Speaker 131: noted, there is already zoning permissions
01:18:35 Speaker 131: in effect for the health spa
01:18:38 Speaker 131: use on this property. Just looking
01:18:41 Speaker 131: at the Highland zoning bylaw, it
01:18:43 Speaker 131: doesn't seem that that's a particular
01:18:44 Speaker 131: It doesn't seem that that's a
01:18:46 Speaker 131: particularly well defined term within their
01:18:49 Speaker 131: zoning bylaw, but just noting, you
01:18:51 Speaker 131: know, it does have that existing
01:18:54 Speaker 131: kind of commercial permissions already in
01:18:56 Speaker 131: effect. The rationale for the OPA
01:18:57 Speaker 131: here, when we were looking at
01:18:59 Speaker 131: this file initially, we didn't have
01:19:01 Speaker 131: any policies in effect within our
01:19:04 Speaker 131: official plan to kind of give
01:19:06 Speaker 131: an easy response to whether or
01:19:10 Speaker 131: not this should be permitted or
01:19:11 Speaker 131: not, and we kind of had
01:19:13 Speaker 131: chatted internally about whether or not
01:19:16 Speaker 131: we could. squeak this under the
01:19:19 Speaker 131: definition of a resource-based recreational use,
01:19:21 Speaker 131: noting you know the the kind
01:19:22 Speaker 131: of rationale for connecting the event
01:19:25 Speaker 131: with the surrounding natural environment. Ultimately,
01:19:26 Speaker 131: county staff felt that this didn't
01:19:27 Speaker 131: quite meet the definition of a
01:19:29 Speaker 131: resource-based recreational use. We didn't feel
01:19:34 Speaker 131: that events, by their very nature,
01:19:37 Speaker 131: relied on access to the natural
01:19:39 Speaker 131: environment, and so we did request
01:19:41 Speaker 131: that a county official plan amendment
01:19:42 Speaker 131: just to. add an additional level
01:19:44 Speaker 131: of review to file. I would
01:19:47 Speaker 131: also note that that's a slightly
01:19:48 Speaker 131: different planning opinion than Great Highlands
01:19:49 Speaker 131: staff had the during the initial
01:19:51 Speaker 131: phases. So they did not request
01:19:55 Speaker 131: an official plan amendment to the
01:19:58 Speaker 131: Great Highlands official plan. So with
01:19:59 Speaker 131: some of the feedback that's come
01:20:00 Speaker 131: out of the public process, one
01:20:02 Speaker 131: of the main concerns were okay
01:20:05 Speaker 131: if you permit this event use
01:20:07 Speaker 131: now, you know. To use now,
01:20:09 Speaker 131: you know what are the chances
01:20:11 Speaker 131: that this is going to scale
01:20:12 Speaker 131: up in future, and so on
01:20:16 Speaker 131: the left side of the screen
01:20:18 Speaker 131: here is the original schedule A,
01:20:20 Speaker 131: and so you can see that
01:20:22 Speaker 131: that that a hatched red area
01:20:25 Speaker 131: towards the southern portion of the
01:20:27 Speaker 131: property there. So it was originally
01:20:31 Speaker 131: about two hectares in extent that
01:20:33 Speaker 131: we had kind of said, yeah,
01:20:36 Speaker 131: the the event venue space can
01:20:40 Speaker 131: can go in this general area,
01:20:42 Speaker 131: but as we really started honing
01:20:44 Speaker 131: in on some of those. public
01:20:46 Speaker 131: comments and really tightening up the
01:20:48 Speaker 131: definition of what actually falls within
01:20:51 Speaker 131: that category of a special event,
01:20:56 Speaker 131: we really wanted to hone in
01:20:58 Speaker 131: on you know what are the
01:21:00 Speaker 131: areas of the property where that
01:21:02 Speaker 131: event venue could could function and
01:21:05 Speaker 131: and would be covered with the
01:21:07 Speaker 131: OPA, and so we've scaled that
01:21:08 Speaker 131: back to one point zero five
01:21:10 Speaker 131: hectares, which is about half of
01:21:11 Speaker 131: of that original proposal that that
01:21:13 Speaker 131: had initially been circulated out to
01:21:15 Speaker 131: the public. The hangar area has
01:21:17 Speaker 131: also been excluded within that designation
01:21:19 Speaker 131: area, so all of that amplified
01:21:20 Speaker 131: sound would again be located within
01:21:22 Speaker 131: that enclosed hall structure. Just so
01:21:23 Speaker 131: we're on the same page, the
01:21:25 Speaker 131: wording for the special event venue
01:21:28 Speaker 131: within the current draft OPA is:
01:21:29 Speaker 131: so for the purposes of this
01:21:30 Speaker 131: use, a special event venue shall
01:21:34 Speaker 131: be limited to an event hall
01:21:36 Speaker 131: servicing area. Servicing areas, so including
01:21:38 Speaker 131: the septic system, toilet facilities, the
01:21:40 Speaker 131: parking area, swimming pool, and outdoor
01:21:44 Speaker 131: ceremony area. In terms of the
01:21:46 Speaker 131: development process and timeline, so this
01:21:49 Speaker 131: is again come up, understandably, by
01:21:51 Speaker 131: members of the public is is
01:21:52 Speaker 131: to say, you know, we, you
01:21:55 Speaker 131: know, Great Highlands is is approving
01:21:56 Speaker 131: something and county is approving something,
01:21:58 Speaker 131: but we don't understand really who's
01:21:59 Speaker 131: doing what and who's kind of
01:22:02 Speaker 131: responsible for what. So I just
01:22:05 Speaker 131: wanted to to to, you know,
01:22:08 Speaker 131: understandably, there's some complexity with the
01:22:10 Speaker 131: planning process, and I just wanted
01:22:13 Speaker 131: to take a moment to kind
01:22:15 Speaker 131: of talk through kind of what
01:22:16 Speaker 131: the process has been so far
01:22:18 Speaker 135: and what the remaining steps are
01:22:21 Speaker 135: in in this process. So probably,
01:22:22 Speaker 135: you know, more than two years
01:22:24 Speaker 135: ago, we started out with the
01:22:26 Speaker 131: pre consultation process, and I will
01:22:28 Speaker 131: acknowledge that there were some bylaw
01:22:30 Speaker 131: concerns with this property. I understand
01:22:32 Speaker 131: that the applicants, during the course
01:22:34 Speaker 131: of COVID, had had started operationalizing.
01:22:37 Speaker 131: the event venue without the proper
01:22:39 Speaker 131: permissions in place, and bylaw did
01:22:41 Speaker 131: get involved within Grey Highlands, and
01:22:43 Speaker 131: I don't sort of know the
01:22:44 Speaker 131: full specifics of that, but that
01:22:47 Speaker 131: was kind of when Miss Loft
01:22:49 Speaker 131: was involved, and and really we
01:22:52 Speaker 131: started to kind of hone in
01:22:54 Speaker 131: on a path of, okay, can
01:22:57 Speaker 131: we can we provide a route
01:22:59 Speaker 131: forward to to begin legalizing this
01:23:02 Speaker 131: use, and so in that respect,
01:23:04 Speaker 131: we're we are considering this as
01:23:07 Speaker 131: a new. use, you know, even
01:23:10 Speaker 131: though they've they've they may or
01:23:11 Speaker 131: may not have been running for
01:23:12 Speaker 131: a certain period of time, we're
01:23:13 Speaker 131: we're we don't kind of give
01:23:15 Speaker 131: credit to that. This is kind
01:23:17 Speaker 131: of we're we're talking about from
01:23:21 Speaker 131: the ground up here. We're considering
01:23:23 Speaker 131: this as as really a new
01:23:26 Speaker 131: use. So following the pre consultation
01:23:28 Speaker 131: process, which I identified that the
01:23:30 Speaker 131: types of studies that would be
01:23:34 Speaker 131: required, the applicant submitted a zoning
01:23:35 Speaker 131: bylaw to Gray Highlands, and county
01:23:39 Speaker 131: staff advised them that the official.
01:23:40 Speaker 131: plan amendment would be required as
01:23:42 Speaker 131: well, so they did submit an
01:23:44 Speaker 131: OPA to the county. The applications
01:23:47 Speaker 131: were deemed complete by both Gray
01:23:49 Speaker 131: County and the municipal. Sorry, Gray
01:23:52 Speaker 131: County and the municipality, and were
01:23:55 Speaker 131: circulated to all neighbours. The Planning
01:23:57 Speaker 131: Act stipulates that all neighbours within
01:24:00 Speaker 131: 120 metres of the property should
01:24:03 Speaker 131: be notified. We actually took it
01:24:05 Speaker 131: upon ourselves to increase that circulation
01:24:08 Speaker 131: to to double that to 240
01:24:11 Speaker 131: metres. To two hundred and forty
01:24:13 Speaker 131: metres. Just noting that this is
01:24:15 Speaker 131: something that you know neighbours are
01:24:17 Speaker 131: are going to want to have
01:24:20 Speaker 131: a say on, and and I
01:24:22 Speaker 131: felt that that was important to
01:24:25 Speaker 131: make it known that this application
01:24:27 Speaker 131: was occurring. We had lots of
01:24:32 Speaker 131: comments that were received during that
01:24:34 Speaker 131: commenting period. We did have a
01:24:38 Speaker 131: public meeting, and since that public
01:24:39 Speaker 131: meeting, the applicants have been working
01:24:40 Speaker 131: to redefine that application and the
01:24:44 Speaker 131: proposal of of what's being put
01:24:46 Speaker 131: forward here today. We're here today.
01:24:48 Speaker 131: Eventually, we got to a point
01:24:50 Speaker 131: where we had felt, you know,
01:24:52 Speaker 131: to the best of the applicant's
01:24:53 Speaker 131: capacity and our capacity, we have
01:24:56 Speaker 131: reasonably addressed those most of those
01:24:58 Speaker 131: public comments and concerns. A staff
01:25:02 Speaker 131: report was prepared by the Gray
01:25:04 Speaker 131: Highlands planner. It was brought to
01:25:06 Speaker 131: Gray Highlands Council for a recommendation
01:25:08 Speaker 131: on whether to support the county
01:25:10 Speaker 131: official plan amendment. That was ultimately
01:25:12 Speaker 131: a lost vote by. Gray Highlands.
01:25:14 Speaker 131: No further resolution was provided to
01:25:16 Speaker 136: County Council or staff at that
01:25:20 Speaker 136: stage. But just noting that it
01:25:23 Speaker 136: would appear that Gray Highlands did
01:25:25 Speaker 136: not support the OPA at that
01:25:27 Speaker 136: stage. So here we are today
01:25:29 Speaker 131: in front of County Council. We
01:25:32 Speaker 131: are looking for how to move
01:25:36 Speaker 131: forward with this application. Following any
01:25:37 Speaker 131: decision today, it would come forward
01:25:39 Speaker 131: for a future. decision on the
01:25:41 Speaker 131: OPA bylaw, and it would still
01:25:43 Speaker 131: need to go back to Grey
01:25:46 Speaker 131: Highlands for a decision on the
01:25:47 Speaker 131: zoning bylaw amendment. Following all the
01:25:50 Speaker 131: appeal periods, the applicant would then
01:25:51 Speaker 131: have to go through a site
01:25:54 Speaker 131: plan approval process, where we would
01:25:57 Speaker 131: come up with conditions that would
01:26:01 Speaker 131: need to be put in place
01:26:03 Speaker 131: for, with regards to the site
01:26:06 Speaker 131: design and operationalization, and only after
01:26:09 Speaker 131: that has been. signed and sealed
01:26:11 Speaker 131: and put in place, that the
01:26:12 Speaker 131: applicants would then have the opportunity
01:26:16 Speaker 131: to apply for building permits. And
01:26:18 Speaker 131: from my understanding, that includes any
01:26:19 Speaker 131: retroactive building permits that would be
01:26:23 Speaker 131: required to permit some of these
01:26:25 Speaker 131: structures that were built without a
01:26:26 Speaker 131: building permit. So, in terms of
01:26:29 Speaker 131: supporting work, we have received a
01:26:31 Speaker 131: planning justification report, a servicing study,
01:26:33 Speaker 131: a noise study, which, as Christine
01:26:35 Speaker 131: noted, included a peer review process.
01:26:38 Speaker 131: as well as an environmental impact
01:26:39 Speaker 131: study. Christine also took you through
01:26:40 Speaker 131: a few photos of the property,
01:26:43 Speaker 131: but just to reiterate, here are
01:26:45 Speaker 131: a few. So we've got the
01:26:47 Speaker 131: single detached dwelling in the top
01:26:52 Speaker 131: top photo on the right. We've
01:26:54 Speaker 137: got some of those tent platforms
01:26:58 Speaker 137: that existed during the time of
01:26:59 Speaker 137: a site visit. In the bottom
01:27:01 Speaker 137: left is kind of one of
01:27:02 Speaker 137: those glamping cabin slash tent facilities.
01:27:06 Speaker 131: so everything is is mostly movable
01:27:09 Speaker 131: and and kind of temporary in
01:27:10 Speaker 131: nature. I do understand that some
01:27:11 Speaker 131: of these structures may have been
01:27:14 Speaker 131: built within that required setback in
01:27:16 Speaker 131: terms of zoning, and so these
01:27:18 Speaker 131: would be relocated should this move
01:27:20 Speaker 131: forward and as as a requirement
01:27:21 Speaker 131: of the site plan process and
01:27:24 Speaker 131: the zoning process. So the
01:27:25 Speaker 131: bottom left is a picture of
01:27:28 Speaker 131: the inside of the hall structure.
01:27:30 Speaker 131: So it is. fully enclosed, but
01:27:34 Speaker 131: there are sliding doors that go
01:27:35 Speaker 131: up and down to offer guests
01:27:38 Speaker 131: the opportunity to access the outside
01:27:40 Speaker 131: space. Those would be closed at
01:27:40 Speaker 131: a certain time in the evening
01:27:42 Speaker 131: to make sure that all noise
01:27:45 Speaker 131: is contained within the structure. On
01:27:46 Speaker 131: the left side, there they they
01:27:50 Speaker 131: are proposing a a small outdoor
01:27:52 Speaker 138: ceremony area within the forested area,
01:27:55 Speaker 131: and there's just some pictures of
01:27:58 Speaker 131: the parking area. So, if we
01:27:59 Speaker 131: go back to basics of under
01:28:01 Speaker 131: the Planning Act, you know, of
01:28:05 Speaker 131: course we look at all of
01:28:07 Speaker 131: these areas of public interest or
01:28:08 Speaker 131: provincial interest, I should say. But
01:28:10 Speaker 131: I've highlighted a few that I
01:28:12 Speaker 131: think are most important to speak
01:28:13 Speaker 131: to today. So, the protection of
01:28:15 Speaker 131: ecological systems, including natural areas, features,
01:28:16 Speaker 131: and functions, as noted, there's a
01:28:19 Speaker 131: lot of natural heritage on and
01:28:20 Speaker 131: around this property, and so this
01:28:23 Speaker 131: was a core concern for
01:28:25 Speaker 131: us. We did request that environment.
01:28:27 Speaker 131: We did request that environmental impact
01:28:29 Speaker 131: study from the beginning. Part of
01:28:31 Speaker 131: the review for that was was
01:28:34 Speaker 131: making sure noise impacts were were
01:28:37 Speaker 131: reviewed as as part of that
01:28:38 Speaker 131: study as well, and potential impacts
01:28:39 Speaker 131: on on on on wildlife habitat
01:28:42 Speaker 131: as well. So we you know
01:28:44 Speaker 131: we've got our human neighbours, but
01:28:46 Speaker 131: we've also got our our our
01:28:48 Speaker 131: animal neighbours, and and that's that's
01:28:50 Speaker 131: part of something we need to
01:28:52 Speaker 131: consider as planners. H point one
01:28:55 Speaker 131: I was the adequate provision and
01:28:56 Speaker 131: distribution of educational health. social, cultural,
01:28:58 Speaker 131: cultural, and recreational facilities. So I
01:29:00 Speaker 131: think you know the Planning Act
01:29:02 Speaker 131: really recognizes we we do need
01:29:04 Speaker 131: these spaces for our cultural celebrations
01:29:05 Speaker 131: and and you know that's important.
01:29:07 Speaker 131: And I'm sure there's a moment
01:29:09 Speaker 131: in everyone's lives where you've wanted
01:29:11 Speaker 131: or or needed to go to
01:29:12 Speaker 131: a facility of this type of
01:29:14 Speaker 131: nature. And so there's always a
01:29:16 Speaker 131: question of where do we put
01:29:18 Speaker 131: these and what's the best opportunity
01:29:19 Speaker 131: for them. K is the adequate
01:29:22 Speaker 131: provision of employment opportunities and. you
01:29:23 Speaker 131: know, it's not like we're creating
01:29:26 Speaker 131: twenty full-time opportunities for work here,
01:29:29 Speaker 131: but there are a lot of
01:29:32 Speaker 131: knock-on opportunities for small-scale entrepreneurs involved
01:29:34 Speaker 131: in the event industry, whether it's
01:29:35 Speaker 131: caterers or musicians or event planners.
01:29:37 Speaker 131: Those are all part of our
01:29:39 Speaker 131: rural economy and needs to be
01:29:41 Speaker 131: considered here as well. And finally,
01:29:44 Speaker 131: just the appropriate location of growth
01:29:45 Speaker 131: and development. I think this is
01:29:47 Speaker 131: the core consideration here: is is
01:29:49 Speaker 131: is this a good
01:29:52 Speaker 131: place for this type of development?
01:29:55 Speaker 131: and you know, I rack my
01:29:57 Speaker 131: mind, asking myself, where is the
01:29:58 Speaker 131: best location for this type of
01:30:01 Speaker 131: development? You know, if we put
01:30:03 Speaker 131: it in our settlement area, we're
01:30:06 Speaker 131: going to get lots of neighbours
01:30:08 Speaker 131: that are upset about that. If
01:30:10 Speaker 139: we put it in our agricultural
01:30:14 Speaker 140: areas, it's taking away from our
01:30:17 Speaker 140: agricultural land. If we put in
01:30:19 Speaker 140: our rural areas, you know, it's
01:30:22 Speaker 140: it's not great from a natural
01:30:24 Speaker 140: heritage perspective. If we put in
01:30:26 Speaker 140: our industrial areas, no one really
01:30:29 Speaker 140: wants to celebrate there. So you
01:30:32 Speaker 140: know, there's not all. So you
01:30:33 Speaker 140: know, there's not always a great
01:30:35 Speaker 140: a great answer to this, and
01:30:37 Speaker 140: it's something that we we really
01:30:38 Speaker 140: worked through on this file.
01:30:40 Speaker 140: So under the provincial planning statement,
01:30:43 Speaker 140: the PPS supports resource-based recreational uses
01:30:45 Speaker 131: in rural areas. Again, staff felt
01:30:48 Speaker 131: that this wasn't quite a good
01:30:50 Speaker 131: fit for this particular land use,
01:30:53 Speaker 131: and so we looked more at
01:30:56 Speaker 131: other rural land uses as a
01:30:58 Speaker 131: category that we were investigating. So
01:31:00 Speaker 131: you know, as part of under
01:31:01 Speaker 131: the PPS, we are required to
01:31:03 Speaker 131: evaluate the impacts. on agricultural operations,
01:31:05 Speaker 131: natural heritage, servicing considerations, traffic impacts,
01:31:08 Speaker 131: and you know this is not
01:31:11 Speaker 131: an agricultural area. There's really no
01:31:13 Speaker 131: prime ag lands around here. There's
01:31:15 Speaker 131: there's there's few or no agricultural
01:31:16 Speaker 131: operations because it really is more
01:31:20 Speaker 131: of a a rural forested area.
01:31:22 Speaker 131: And you know those those other
01:31:24 Speaker 131: aspects have have certainly been investigated
01:31:26 Speaker 131: throughout this process as well. And
01:31:28 Speaker 141: under the Gray County Official Plan.
01:31:30 Speaker 131: So at the time OPA 22
01:31:34 Speaker 131: was submitted, again there weren't a
01:31:35 Speaker 131: lot of policies kind of in
01:31:39 Speaker 131: place that that had a natural
01:31:41 Speaker 131: way of of framing this event
01:31:43 Speaker 131: use or under the county's official
01:31:47 Speaker 131: plan. Again, we didn't feel it
01:31:49 Speaker 131: was a great fit under the
01:31:50 Speaker 131: resource-based recreational use policies. So we
01:31:52 Speaker 131: largely did rely on a lot
01:31:55 Speaker 131: of those overarching policies from the
01:31:58 Speaker 131: provincial planning statement to to kind
01:32:00 Speaker 131: of frame how or why this.
01:32:02 Speaker 131: should be used here. I did.
01:32:06 Speaker 131: I will note that in May
01:32:08 Speaker 131: 2025, County Council did approve OPA
01:32:10 Speaker 131: 23, which would permit a small-scale
01:32:15 Speaker 131: special event venue up to 0.8
01:32:18 Speaker 131: hectares on a property of this
01:32:20 Speaker 131: size without the need for a
01:32:22 Speaker 131: county OPA. The zoning bylaw amendment
01:32:24 Speaker 131: and probably site plan application would
01:32:27 Speaker 131: still be required. The current proposal
01:32:29 Speaker 131: is slightly larger, being 1.05 hectares,
01:32:31 Speaker 131: and must be justified based on
01:32:33 Speaker 131: the county. official plan policies in
01:32:37 Speaker 131: effect at the time of submission,
01:32:39 Speaker 131: which was in 2024, so we're
01:32:40 Speaker 131: not judging this application based on
01:32:44 Speaker 131: our current policies. But I do
01:32:46 Speaker 131: think it's worth noting, you know,
01:32:47 Speaker 131: that we have made a collective
01:32:50 Speaker 131: decision that we're in favour of
01:32:52 Speaker 131: locating smaller event venues somewhere, and
01:32:54 Speaker 131: so I just wanted to point
01:32:56 Speaker 131: that out for for council's reference.
01:32:59 Speaker 131: So in terms of comments received,
01:33:01 Speaker 131: so I had. I went through
01:33:02 Speaker 131: everything again yesterday and tried to
01:33:06 Speaker 131: figure out just the whole chain
01:33:08 Speaker 131: of events in terms of comments
01:33:10 Speaker 131: that have received so so far
01:33:11 Speaker 131: we've received about 21 comments from
01:33:13 Speaker 131: or sorry comments from 21 households
01:33:16 Speaker 131: that oppose or raise concerns about
01:33:17 Speaker 131: the proposed development most of these
01:33:19 Speaker 131: are neighbours on surrounding lands occasionally
01:33:21 Speaker 131: you know two members from one
01:33:24 Speaker 131: household will have provided comments through
01:33:26 Speaker 131: separate comment letters. We've also received
01:33:28 Speaker 131: twelve comments in support of the
01:33:32 Speaker 131: proposed development. Seven of those being
01:33:34 Speaker 131: from local businesses, four from friends
01:33:37 Speaker 131: or supporters of the applicant, and
01:33:39 Speaker 131: one from a community organisation. We
01:33:41 Speaker 131: did have one more neutral comment
01:33:43 Speaker 131: asking questions only, as well as
01:33:44 Speaker 131: two agency comments being Ray Sable
01:33:47 Speaker 131: and Bridge Gas. The key concern
01:33:49 Speaker 131: that we've heard over and over
01:33:51 Speaker 131: in virtual Heard over and over
01:33:52 Speaker 131: in virtually all the comments we
01:33:55 Speaker 131: received were with regard to noise.
01:33:57 Speaker 131: People were concerned about the impact
01:34:00 Speaker 131: of noise on their quality of
01:34:02 Speaker 131: life, impact of noise on wildlife
01:34:03 Speaker 131: habitat. They had questions and concerns
01:34:06 Speaker 131: about exemptions to the noise bylaw,
01:34:08 Speaker 131: which is being considered under the
01:34:10 Speaker 131: zoning bylaw for Great Highlands. The
01:34:12 Speaker 131: late hours and frequency of noisy
01:34:15 Speaker 131: events, and concerns just about who
01:34:18 Speaker 131: will be monitoring the noise and
01:34:20 Speaker 131: how. Staff certainly recognize. these are
01:34:22 Speaker 131: very valid questions and concerns, and
01:34:24 Speaker 131: certainly, if I were a neighbour
01:34:25 Speaker 131: living beside this event venue, I
01:34:28 Speaker 131: would have these same questions and
01:34:29 Speaker 131: concerns. So, in response to that,
01:34:34 Speaker 131: of course, we did request that
01:34:35 Speaker 131: noise assessment be done from the
01:34:37 Speaker 131: very beginning. We did also undertake
01:34:39 Speaker 131: a third-party peer review process of
01:34:40 Speaker 131: that noise assessment. The peer review
01:34:41 Speaker 131: process did make some recommendations, which
01:34:43 Speaker 131: have been implemented by the applicants
01:34:45 Speaker 131: through a revised submission. but some
01:34:47 Speaker 131: of the mitigation member measures that
01:34:50 Speaker 131: will be taken include limiting larger
01:34:52 Speaker 131: events up to twelve times per
01:34:55 Speaker 131: year, which again is would be
01:34:59 Speaker 131: within the zoning bylaw, maintaining all
01:35:03 Speaker 131: amplified noise within the hall structure,
01:35:04 Speaker 131: which you know is a permanent
01:35:07 Speaker 131: structure. We're not talking a tent
01:35:09 Speaker 131: or anything like that. Noise levels
01:35:11 Speaker 131: would be actively monitored at all
01:35:15 Speaker 131: times using a decibel monitor on
01:35:17 Speaker 131: site. The owners or their delegates
01:35:20 Speaker 131: would be on site during all
01:35:21 Speaker 131: events, making sure that noise is
01:35:23 Speaker 131: monitored. The special the special event
01:35:26 Speaker 131: area is located in a central
01:35:29 Speaker 131: portion of the property, away from
01:35:30 Speaker 131: neighbouring residences to the west. The
01:35:31 Speaker 131: EIS again, through an addendum, evaluated
01:35:34 Speaker 131: noise impacts on wildlife, and there
01:35:37 Speaker 131: is still the opportunity to look
01:35:40 Speaker 131: at additional buffering that could be
01:35:41 Speaker 131: explored through a future site plan
01:35:45 Speaker 131: application, if that's something that we
01:35:48 Speaker 131: could consider in relation to those
01:35:49 Speaker 131: neighbours to the west. Another concern
01:35:51 Speaker 131: was just about kind of the
01:35:52 Speaker 131: concept of the event use itself.
01:35:54 Speaker 131: So again, whether or not this
01:35:57 Speaker 131: is a good space for an
01:35:59 Speaker 131: event venue, whether it meets the
01:36:02 Speaker 131: character of the area and the
01:36:04 Speaker 131: criteria for a resource-based recreational use,
01:36:08 Speaker 131: there were concerns about scaling up
01:36:11 Speaker 131: in future. So you know, staff
01:36:13 Speaker 131: in general, where we get requests
01:36:16 Speaker 131: a lot for event venue types
01:36:19 Speaker 131: of facilities or or glamping types
01:36:21 Speaker 131: of venues, people like to. experience
01:36:22 Speaker 131: our natural environment, and in Gray
01:36:25 Speaker 131: County, we're very lucky to have
01:36:27 Speaker 131: the natural environment at our fingertips,
01:36:29 Speaker 131: which not everyone has. And so,
01:36:32 Speaker 131: this is a destination area. Again,
01:36:34 Speaker 131: noting this property does already have
01:36:37 Speaker 131: zoning permissions in place for
01:36:41 Speaker 131: a health spa. There is a
01:36:43 Speaker 131: need, of course, to balance the
01:36:46 Speaker 131: financial viability of a potential business,
01:36:48 Speaker 131: you know, versus impacts to neighbours.
01:36:50 Speaker 131: So, you know, we need to
01:36:53 Speaker 131: think. if we are limiting the
01:36:55 Speaker 131: number of events per year, what
01:36:57 Speaker 131: is that number that triggers that
01:37:00 Speaker 131: you know viability of the business
01:37:02 Speaker 131: versus this is not a number
01:37:03 Speaker 131: that the business is actually sustainable
01:37:06 Speaker 131: at. The existing hall, dwelling, and
01:37:09 Speaker 131: structures would all be located back
01:37:12 Speaker 131: from the road, so they did
01:37:14 Speaker 131: not visually detract from the rural
01:37:16 Speaker 131: nature of the area, kind of
01:37:17 Speaker 131: from an aesthetics perspective. And again,
01:37:22 Speaker 131: the OPA Schedule A has really
01:37:24 Speaker 131: been limited. PA Schedule A has
01:37:26 Speaker 131: really been limited in scale and
01:37:28 Speaker 131: scope to to situate that event
01:37:29 Speaker 131: venue area in the middle portion
01:37:32 Speaker 131: of the property only. With regards
01:37:35 Speaker 131: to site layout, there were concerns
01:37:37 Speaker 131: about the potential for trespassing of
01:37:39 Speaker 131: guests using the trail systems, concerns
01:37:41 Speaker 131: about existing structures built too close
01:37:43 Speaker 131: to property boundaries, and concerns that
01:37:46 Speaker 131: the camping area would be located
01:37:46 Speaker 131: too close to neighbouring properties. So
01:37:49 Speaker 131: again, a site plan application would
01:37:51 Speaker 131: follow approval of the OPA and
01:37:53 Speaker 131: ZBA, and many of these concerns,
01:37:56 Speaker 131: particularly around where guests can and
01:37:59 Speaker 131: cannot go, can can be likely
01:38:01 Speaker 131: addressed through signage, setbacks, buffering, fencing.
01:38:02 Speaker 131: So I think you know there
01:38:04 Speaker 131: are things that that we can
01:38:07 Speaker 131: do to to sign to regulate
01:38:10 Speaker 131: some of that guest behaviour. The
01:38:13 Speaker 131: applicants have not requested at this
01:38:17 Speaker 131: stage any sort of departure from
01:38:20 Speaker 131: the. established zoning setbacks. So I
01:38:23 Speaker 131: believe the established zoning setback is
01:38:25 Speaker 131: 15 metres. So any structures would
01:38:27 Speaker 142: need to be located at least
01:38:31 Speaker 142: 15 metres from that neighbouring property
01:38:33 Speaker 142: line. If there are any existing
01:38:34 Speaker 131: tent structures that are located closer
01:38:37 Speaker 131: to that that were constructed without
01:38:39 Speaker 131: permits, those would need to be
01:38:41 Speaker 131: removed. And and they, my understanding
01:38:43 Speaker 131: is they will be removed. With
01:38:47 Speaker 131: regards to site servicing, so. there
01:38:48 Speaker 131: were questions, concerns about the existing
01:38:51 Speaker 131: capacity of the septic system on
01:38:54 Speaker 131: site. They were quite old, from
01:38:56 Speaker 131: the 60s or 70s. There was
01:38:58 Speaker 131: concerns about impact to Lake Lake
01:39:00 Speaker 131: Eugenia waters. There were concerns about
01:39:03 Speaker 131: the portable toilets being used for
01:39:04 Speaker 131: three years. Questions of waste collection,
01:39:06 Speaker 131: and and just the combined servicing
01:39:08 Speaker 131: impact of the glamping site across
01:39:13 Speaker 131: the road. So again, I think
01:39:15 Speaker 131: these are all very valid concerns,
01:39:17 Speaker 131: and staff raised some of the
01:39:21 Speaker 131: same questions. The servicing study does.
01:39:23 Speaker 131: confirm that all existing septic systems
01:39:26 Speaker 131: on site are over capacity at
01:39:27 Speaker 131: the moment, and that this a
01:39:30 Speaker 131: centralized septic system should really be
01:39:33 Speaker 131: used and put in place. And
01:39:35 Speaker 131: that's what the servicing study has
01:39:38 Speaker 131: recommended. The applicants, acknowledging you know
01:39:40 Speaker 131: the expense expenses of putting together
01:39:42 Speaker 131: a business of this nature, have
01:39:45 Speaker 131: requested a deferral of the requirement
01:39:46 Speaker 131: for establishing that larger septic. system
01:39:48 Speaker 131: for a period of three years,
01:39:49 Speaker 131: and during that interim period, they
01:39:53 Speaker 131: would use portable toilet facilities. Staff
01:39:55 Speaker 131: have had a lot of conversations
01:39:57 Speaker 131: about this and whether or not
01:40:00 Speaker 131: this is the correct approach or
01:40:02 Speaker 131: not. The applicants have suggested
01:40:05 Speaker 131: that they would enter into a
01:40:08 Speaker 131: servicing agreement through a site plan
01:40:11 Speaker 131: agreement approach. They would also offer
01:40:13 Speaker 131: securities to the municipality to ensure,
01:40:15 Speaker 131: after a period of three years,
01:40:17 Speaker 131: that Sure, after a period of
01:40:19 Speaker 131: three years, that this this septic
01:40:22 Speaker 131: system could be constructed, and so
01:40:24 Speaker 131: ultimately, although it's not kind of
01:40:27 Speaker 131: the run of the mill servicing
01:40:30 Speaker 131: solution, staff do feel that we
01:40:32 Speaker 131: could support this approach, provided that
01:40:33 Speaker 131: the framing within that site plan
01:40:36 Speaker 131: agreement is in place to ensure
01:40:39 Speaker 131: that septic system is built within
01:40:41 Speaker 131: that three year time. Again, with
01:40:45 Speaker 131: regards to traffic, individuals had a
01:40:49 Speaker 131: number of questions and concerns around
01:40:51 Speaker 131: traffic on. concession B. It is
01:40:53 Speaker 131: a paved municipal road. It has
01:40:55 Speaker 131: good sightlines. Grey Highlands staff did
01:40:58 Speaker 131: not see the need for a
01:41:00 Speaker 131: traffic impact study here, given the
01:41:02 Speaker 131: volume of of cars. Again, there
01:41:06 Speaker 131: are only forty one parking spaces
01:41:08 Speaker 131: on the site, so we don't
01:41:10 Speaker 131: perceive this as being a generation,
01:41:12 Speaker 131: direct generating a large volume of
01:41:13 Speaker 131: traffic. As noted, there are some
01:41:17 Speaker 131: nearby accommodations where guests may be
01:41:20 Speaker 131: able to use. just to minimize
01:41:22 Speaker 131: the amount of traffic that would
01:41:24 Speaker 131: be coming to the site. With
01:41:26 Speaker 131: regards to impact to nature, again,
01:41:29 Speaker 131: I did talk quite a bit
01:41:30 Speaker 131: about this already, but guests or
01:41:34 Speaker 131: individuals were concerned about impact to
01:41:36 Speaker 143: our wooded areas, wetlands, wildlife habitat,
01:41:39 Speaker 143: water contamination, guest behaviour related to
01:41:40 Speaker 143: the natural environment, the potential for
01:41:41 Speaker 143: accidental fires. So again, the EIS
01:41:43 Speaker 131: has been undertaken a whole. Undertaken,
01:41:45 Speaker 131: holding provision does remain in effect
01:41:48 Speaker 131: for most of the property, so
01:41:50 Speaker 131: that no further development would be
01:41:52 Speaker 131: permitted without further amendments to that
01:41:54 Speaker 131: environmental impact study. The EIS has
01:41:57 Speaker 131: been reviewed by our ecology staff.
01:41:59 Speaker 131: Fires will only be permitted within
01:42:01 Speaker 131: designated areas, and the owners have
01:42:02 Speaker 131: developed an event policy manual outlining
01:42:05 Speaker 131: rules and expectations for guests. Which
01:42:08 Speaker 131: again, some of those elements can
01:42:10 Speaker 131: be implemented through a site plan
01:42:11 Speaker 131: agreement. and some just general comments.
01:42:14 Speaker 131: Again, mostly related to kind of
01:42:16 Speaker 131: previous bylaw infractions on the site
01:42:19 Speaker 131: and whether these individuals should be
01:42:22 Speaker 131: given another chance. So, as noted
01:42:26 Speaker 131: at the beginning, staff are really
01:42:29 Speaker 131: treating this as a new application.
01:42:30 Speaker 131: Any structures that were built prior
01:42:32 Speaker 131: to approval without a building permit
01:42:34 Speaker 131: will be required to get retroactive
01:42:36 Speaker 131: building permits. Some of those structures
01:42:37 Speaker 131: are likely going to need to
01:42:39 Speaker 131: be relocated to conform to zoning
01:42:43 Speaker 131: bylaw requirements. So again, you know,
01:42:46 Speaker 131: I think certainly the applicants have
01:42:49 Speaker 131: have had a change of course
01:42:52 Speaker 131: throughout the the process of of
01:42:53 Speaker 131: putting together this application. But there
01:42:54 Speaker 131: is the expectation that all of
01:42:57 Speaker 131: those things would need to conform
01:43:00 Speaker 131: and and and and yes. So
01:43:03 Speaker 131: that's that's sort of how we've
01:43:05 Speaker 131: been dealing with that. Okay. And
01:43:08 Speaker 131: so we did get some supportive.
01:43:12 Speaker 131: comments as well, and I'll go
01:43:14 Speaker 131: through these quite quickly. But from
01:43:15 Speaker 131: an economic development perspective, we did
01:43:18 Speaker 131: hear from from local businesses looking
01:43:20 Speaker 144: for partnership opportunities with the event
01:43:23 Speaker 145: venue, suggesting you know there is
01:43:26 Speaker 145: a demand for eco retreats within
01:43:30 Speaker 145: the area, especially event venues
01:43:32 Speaker 145: that offer that offer both the
01:43:34 Speaker 145: guest accommodation and the event function
01:43:36 Speaker 145: space as well. So there was
01:43:39 Speaker 145: some general support there. From the
01:43:41 Speaker 145: natural environment, people felt it was
01:43:43 Speaker 145: a balanced approach. to kind of
01:43:45 Speaker 145: having the event venue within a
01:43:48 Speaker 145: limited area and and allowing guests
01:43:50 Speaker 145: to to use existing pathways throughout
01:43:53 Speaker 145: the forested areas to to be
01:43:55 Speaker 145: able to immerse themselves in nature
01:43:56 Speaker 145: as well. Just some general comments.
01:43:59 Speaker 145: One of the applicant, you know,
01:44:01 Speaker 145: does have some chronic health issues
01:44:04 Speaker 145: that she's been dealing with herself.
01:44:05 Speaker 145: So there was some suggestions from
01:44:06 Speaker 145: the app or from members of
01:44:09 Speaker 145: the public that she would be
01:44:12 Speaker 145: a good representative. here and would
01:44:14 Speaker 145: be able to to do to
01:44:16 Speaker 145: to make people feel comfortable in
01:44:18 Speaker 145: this type of environment. With regards
01:44:20 Speaker 145: to agency comments, no significant
01:44:23 Speaker 145: concerns from Gray Sauble, noting nothing
01:44:26 Speaker 145: should be located within the hazard
01:44:28 Speaker 145: lands, and permits will be required
01:44:30 Speaker 145: within the regulated area. And Bridge
01:44:32 Speaker 145: Gas had no concerns. As noted,
01:44:34 Speaker 145: the municipality of Gray Highlands planner
01:44:36 Speaker 145: recommended support for the county OPA.
01:44:37 Speaker 145: Report for the County OPA, but
01:44:39 Speaker 145: during their June 18, 2025, Council
01:44:41 Speaker 145: meeting, the motion to support the
01:44:44 Speaker 145: OPA 22 based on the staff
01:44:47 Speaker 145: recommendation resulted in a lost vote
01:44:49 Speaker 145: by Council. There, no further resolution
01:44:54 Speaker 145: or motion was passed at that
01:44:57 Speaker 145: stage. So, just in summary, what
01:44:59 Speaker 146: we heard and the impact to
01:45:04 Speaker 146: the application. So, overall, during our
01:45:06 Speaker 147: pre-consultation discussions, as Christine noted, they
01:45:09 Speaker 147: had originally wanted. to have 150
01:45:10 Speaker 93: guests at any time. This has
01:45:13 Speaker 93: changed to 95 guests up to
01:45:17 Speaker 93: 12 times per year, or 50
01:45:19 Speaker 93: at any time. Again, the hours
01:45:20 Speaker 93: of operation were originally any time
01:45:22 Speaker 93: until midnight. This has been reduced
01:45:23 Speaker 93: to 11:30 on weekends and 11:00
01:45:25 Speaker 93: p.m. on weekdays. The OPA area
01:45:26 Speaker 93: has been adjusted from over two
01:45:28 Speaker 93: hectares to 1.05 hectares to prevent
01:45:29 Speaker 93: scaling up in the future without
01:45:32 Speaker 93: a further county official plan amendment.
01:45:34 Speaker 93: The historic hangar will not be
01:45:36 Speaker 93: used for events and has been
01:45:38 Speaker 93: excluded from the special event venue
01:45:40 Speaker 148: area. Meaning, all amplified noise will
01:45:42 Speaker 149: be located within the hall structure.
01:45:45 Speaker 149: The applicants will undertake a servicing
01:45:48 Speaker 149: agreement and an operational agreement, which
01:45:49 Speaker 150: will include noise monitoring through a
01:45:53 Speaker 149: future site plan approval process. All
01:45:55 Speaker 149: non-complying structures will be removed or
01:45:57 Speaker 149: relocated. All existing and new structures
01:46:01 Speaker 149: shall conform to the zoning bylaw
01:46:04 Speaker 149: setbacks and Ontario Building Code. and
01:46:07 Speaker 149: again, noise monitoring will occur at
01:46:10 Speaker 149: all events. The owners or their
01:46:12 Speaker 151: constituents will be on site at
01:46:16 Speaker 151: all times, and have created an
01:46:20 Speaker 151: event rules document to be enforced
01:46:22 Speaker 152: for all guests under contract through
01:46:25 Speaker 152: the guests. So, with that in
01:46:26 Speaker 152: mind, we do recommend that this
01:46:29 Speaker 152: report be received, and that council
01:46:31 Speaker 152: support the staff recommendation and direct
01:46:34 Speaker 152: staff to prepare a bylaw for
01:46:35 Speaker 152: approval by County Council. Thank you.
01:46:37 Speaker 152: Okay, thank you very much, Miss
01:46:39 Speaker 152: Hillier. So that allows us to
01:46:41 Speaker 152: put it out to committee, the
01:46:44 Speaker 152: whole members for questions and comments.
01:46:45 Speaker 152: And I guess, I, I guess
01:46:48 Speaker 152: perhaps, Madam Clerk, if we clear
01:46:49 Speaker 152: the screen so we can see
01:46:51 Speaker 152: who's virtual as well. But perhaps
01:46:52 Speaker 152: if there is a specific item
01:46:54 Speaker 152: that somebody has a question to,
01:46:58 Speaker 152: we might need to call your
01:46:59 Speaker 152: presentation material back up again. Okay.
01:47:00 Speaker 152: so with that, I'm going to
01:47:02 Speaker 152: look. I'm going to begin with
01:47:03 Speaker 152: Councillor Greg. Thank you, and I'd
01:47:05 Speaker 153: like to ask two questions before
01:47:08 Speaker 153: speaking to the item again in
01:47:10 Speaker 153: the future. But two specific questions,
01:47:12 Speaker 153: if I could have answered, please.
01:47:13 Speaker 153: One of the deputations spoke to
01:47:15 Speaker 154: the noise study being simulated rather
01:47:18 Speaker 154: than technical. I'm wondering if if
01:47:20 Speaker 154: staff can address this that comment
01:47:22 Speaker 154: from a presenter as well. What
01:47:24 Speaker 154: is the penalty within the zone?
01:47:25 Speaker 154: Penalty within the zoning bylaw on
01:47:27 Speaker 154: violations. What is the the fine
01:47:29 Speaker 154: process, the amount, and how is
01:47:32 Speaker 154: it applied? And through which municipality
01:47:34 Speaker 154: does enforcement? I presume Grey Highlands,
01:47:37 Speaker 154: but the matter is before us
01:47:39 Speaker 154: in this report. Okay, so I'll
01:47:40 Speaker 155: put that question to staff. Yeah,
01:47:44 Speaker 155: thank you for those questions. With
01:47:45 Speaker 156: regards to the noise study, that's
01:47:49 Speaker 157: that. The noise study—that's that's a
01:47:55 Speaker 158: good question. So, I'm not—I'm not
01:47:59 Speaker 158: actually sure about that. I'm—I—I'm not
01:48:01 Speaker 158: a noise study expert, and which
01:48:03 Speaker 158: was the reason why we had
01:48:04 Speaker 131: it peer reviewed. To be honest,
01:48:07 Speaker 131: it was one of the cleaner
01:48:09 Speaker 131: peer reviews that I've ever seen.
01:48:12 Speaker 131: You know, it did recommend a
01:48:13 Speaker 131: few small changes or additions to
01:48:14 Speaker 131: some of the work that was
01:48:17 Speaker 131: done. But yeah, I—I'm not sure,
01:48:19 Speaker 131: and that it's a good question,
01:48:22 Speaker 131: but I would have to double
01:48:25 Speaker 131: check on that. Okay, and I
01:48:26 Speaker 131: do see. Director Taylor has raised
01:48:28 Speaker 131: his hand. Sorry, through you, Madam
01:48:30 Speaker 131: Warden, just to build on what
01:48:32 Speaker 131: Becky said. Most noise studies that
01:48:34 Speaker 131: we deal with, particularly for any
01:48:36 Speaker 131: kind of concert or event venue
01:48:39 Speaker 131: use, are almost always simulated, simply
01:48:40 Speaker 131: because they don't have permission to
01:48:42 Speaker 131: be operating the events just yet.
01:48:44 Speaker 131: When we're dealing with an industrial
01:48:46 Speaker 131: noise study where we know, you
01:48:47 Speaker 131: know, a widget making machine operates
01:48:50 Speaker 131: in thirty other facilities and generates
01:48:52 Speaker 131: X number of decibels, then they
01:48:54 Speaker 131: can deal. with exactly what that
01:48:56 Speaker 131: noise is. But when we're dealing
01:48:59 Speaker 131: with event facilities or concert venues
01:49:00 Speaker 131: of that nature, then it's almost
01:49:03 Speaker 131: always a simulated. But as Becky
01:49:04 Speaker 131: has noted, if approved, there's requirements
01:49:05 Speaker 131: for monitoring to ensure that what
01:49:07 Speaker 131: is actually occurring on site is
01:49:09 Speaker 131: is as per what the simulation
01:49:14 Speaker 131: was, so to speak. Okay. So,
01:49:16 Speaker 131: Councillor Gray, was there a follow
01:49:18 Speaker 131: up to that then, or afterward?
01:49:20 Speaker 131: Second question is good enough. Is
01:49:22 Speaker 131: good now, regarding the penalties. Okay,
01:49:23 Speaker 131: Cecilia. Yeah, thanks for that. So,
01:49:25 Speaker 131: yeah, I I don't want to
01:49:28 Speaker 131: speak on behalf of of Grey
01:49:29 Speaker 131: Highlands Noise Bylaw. So it is
01:49:32 Speaker 131: a Grey Highlands bylaw, and I'm
01:49:34 Speaker 131: assuming it would be their bylaw
01:49:36 Speaker 131: enforcement officers who would be enforcing
01:49:38 Speaker 131: that. I did have a look
01:49:41 Speaker 131: at it. I know that they
01:49:43 Speaker 131: do have a process for exemptions
01:49:44 Speaker 131: through the bylaw. Law, I believe
01:49:47 Speaker 131: it is kind of by event
01:49:49 Speaker 131: that that is formulated. So, because
01:49:51 Speaker 131: this is a event venue, I
01:49:53 Speaker 131: imagine that would be a fairly
01:49:54 Speaker 131: labourious process for every time there's
01:49:56 Speaker 131: an event to seek that exemption.
01:49:58 Speaker 131: Which I believe is why the
01:50:01 Speaker 131: applicants are looking to do that
01:50:02 Speaker 131: through a zoning bylaw approach. It
01:50:04 Speaker 159: is an unusual approach. It certainly
01:50:08 Speaker 159: was something that was discussed at
01:50:09 Speaker 159: Grey Highlands as whether that is
01:50:10 Speaker 159: an appropriate approach to do that,
01:50:11 Speaker 160: or whether that is again something
01:50:14 Speaker 160: that could be dealt with. more
01:50:16 Speaker 160: concretely through a site plan agreement,
01:50:16 Speaker 160: for example, that that spelled out
01:50:18 Speaker 160: those hours of operation. With regards
01:50:20 Speaker 160: to the fine, I believe there
01:50:21 Speaker 160: were some fines within the bylaw.
01:50:23 Speaker 161: I don't remember what they were
01:50:26 Speaker 161: offhand. I don't know if there's
01:50:30 Speaker 161: Grey Highlands staff who may be
01:50:32 Speaker 161: more familiar with that bylaw who
01:50:34 Speaker 161: want to speak to that. But
01:50:36 Speaker 161: yeah, that that is certainly something
01:50:37 Speaker 161: that would be a something for
01:50:38 Speaker 161: Grey Highlands to look at. as
01:50:40 Speaker 161: a next step through the zoning
01:50:40 Speaker 161: approval process of, you know, is
01:50:42 Speaker 31: does it make the most sense
01:50:45 Speaker 31: to have that within the zoning
01:50:47 Speaker 31: bylaw, or is there another means
01:50:49 Speaker 31: of of spelling that out? And,
01:50:50 Speaker 31: you know, I think for the
01:50:52 Speaker 31: applicant's benefit, putting the hours of
01:50:53 Speaker 31: operation, putting the exemption within the
01:50:55 Speaker 31: the zoning bylaw, I think it
01:50:56 Speaker 31: was a good approach for the
01:50:58 Speaker 31: purposes of of a transparent public
01:51:00 Speaker 31: discussion, because having that kind of
01:51:02 Speaker 31: within the zoning bylaw really sets
01:51:03 Speaker 31: the framework. for expectations for the
01:51:07 Speaker 31: public of what to expect. There,
01:51:08 Speaker 31: there is no public process for
01:51:10 Speaker 31: site plan agreements, for example. So,
01:51:13 Speaker 31: I think having that as part
01:51:15 Speaker 31: of the public record is helpful.
01:51:16 Speaker 31: But whether that is permanently situated
01:51:18 Speaker 31: within that zoning bylaw forevermore or
01:51:21 Speaker 31: not, I think is something that
01:51:22 Speaker 31: Grey Highlands will need to have
01:51:24 Speaker 31: a look at as the next
01:51:27 Speaker 31: step. Okay, we'll go on to
01:51:29 Speaker 31: other questions. We'll go to Councillor
01:51:31 Speaker 31: Nielsen, and then we'll go to
01:51:34 Speaker 31: Councillor Mackey after that. thank you
01:51:37 Speaker 31: very much, Gordon. I do have
01:51:38 Speaker 31: a couple of questions and a
01:51:41 Speaker 31: couple of comments. Um, for clarity,
01:51:43 Speaker 31: for County Council, the lost vote
01:51:45 Speaker 31: at Gray Highlands was a seven
01:51:49 Speaker 31: to zero vote in support of
01:51:51 Speaker 31: moving forward with the County OP.
01:51:53 Speaker 31: Um, a comment around the comments
01:51:55 Speaker 31: from Becky on the profitability of
01:51:56 Speaker 31: the of a proposal. I don't
01:51:57 Speaker 31: feel that it's like our place
01:51:59 Speaker 31: to make a decision based upon
01:52:01 Speaker 31: whether or not a business is
01:52:02 Speaker 31: profitable. It's really up to the
01:52:04 Speaker 131: business owner to decide on how
01:52:06 Speaker 131: to make their business profitable. and
01:52:08 Speaker 131: so making changes to a a
01:52:11 Speaker 131: property specifically so that they could
01:52:13 Speaker 131: be profitable, either be increasing the
01:52:17 Speaker 131: number of guests that can come
01:52:19 Speaker 131: or increasing number of events, really
01:52:22 Speaker 131: isn't something that should be considered
01:52:24 Speaker 131: with when we're talking about planning.
01:52:27 Speaker 131: Which, as I've been repeatedly bashed
01:52:29 Speaker 131: over the head, is land use
01:52:31 Speaker 131: only and not necessarily what the
01:52:33 Speaker 131: profitability of that land use. I
01:52:36 Speaker 131: do have a couple of questions.
01:52:37 Speaker 131: My first question is regarding OP
01:52:39 Speaker 131: amendment today. So today there were
01:52:40 Speaker 131: questions for county staff to approve.
01:52:47 Speaker 131: I'm sorry, county. Have to approve,
01:52:49 Speaker 131: or sorry, county council to approve,
01:52:50 Speaker 131: but the zoning bylaw that has
01:52:51 Speaker 162: the restrictions, that has the requirements,
01:52:53 Speaker 31: that has the temporary use on
01:52:56 Speaker 31: the on the septic. Once the
01:52:57 Speaker 31: OP is passed, that is a
01:52:59 Speaker 31: land use that's of nowability on
01:53:00 Speaker 31: that land and property and site
01:53:02 Speaker 31: specific. How does that process work?
01:53:03 Speaker 31: If Gray Highlands denies the zoning,
01:53:06 Speaker 31: but now the county has already
01:53:08 Speaker 31: officially plan changed the abilities of
01:53:12 Speaker 31: this property. How is there protections
01:53:13 Speaker 31: for the county? to rescind that
01:53:15 Speaker 31: official plan change if the zoning
01:53:16 Speaker 31: doesn't go through, or what is
01:53:17 Speaker 31: that process? Please, I have two
01:53:19 Speaker 31: other questions too. Yeah, thanks, thanks
01:53:20 Speaker 31: for that question. And yeah, that's
01:53:21 Speaker 31: certainly something that we've we've been
01:53:23 Speaker 31: asking ourselves as well. Of kind
01:53:25 Speaker 31: of what are the all the
01:53:27 Speaker 31: what ifs of based on a
01:53:29 Speaker 31: decision on this file of if
01:53:30 Speaker 31: the county were to approve and
01:53:31 Speaker 31: Great Highlands were to refuse? Sort
01:53:33 Speaker 31: of what are the potential implications
01:53:35 Speaker 31: of that? You know, of course
01:53:37 Speaker 31: there are appeal. rights for Gray
01:53:38 Speaker 31: Highlands for the applicants on whatever
01:53:39 Speaker 31: decision is made by either council.
01:53:41 Speaker 31: You know, certainly it would be
01:53:43 Speaker 31: the prerogative of Gray Highlands, even
01:53:44 Speaker 31: if County Council decides to approve
01:53:46 Speaker 31: the OPA, Gray Highlands could still
01:53:47 Speaker 31: choose to refuse the ZBA. It
01:53:50 Speaker 31: does kind of raise the question
01:53:53 Speaker 31: of, you know, from from a
01:53:55 Speaker 31: next step for the applicants, kind
01:53:56 Speaker 31: of what does that mean? Yeah.
01:53:57 Speaker 31: it certainly could get into appeal
01:53:59 Speaker 31: territory, but yeah, I don't want
01:54:01 Speaker 31: to speculate on that at this
01:54:02 Speaker 31: stage. Well, yeah, I'll maybe ask
01:54:03 Speaker 31: my next two questions quickly, so
01:54:05 Speaker 31: that way they could both be
01:54:07 Speaker 31: at the same time. Regarding the
01:54:08 Speaker 31: noise study, the hall event
01:54:09 Speaker 31: space itself has a retractable wall,
01:54:11 Speaker 31: right? Like the whole wall can
01:54:13 Speaker 31: open up. Was the noise study
01:54:14 Speaker 31: done with the wall closed, under
01:54:16 Speaker 31: the guidings that that's going to
01:54:19 Speaker 31: be how it operates, or with
01:54:20 Speaker 31: the wall open? to showcase the
01:54:21 Speaker 163: noise level coming out, the report
01:54:24 Speaker 31: itself and their own changes or
01:54:30 Speaker 31: comments speak to the idea
01:54:33 Speaker 31: that the wall will be open
01:54:35 Speaker 31: until such time as the noise
01:54:37 Speaker 31: bylaw kicks in at, like I
01:54:39 Speaker 31: think, 10 p.m. and when they're
01:54:41 Speaker 31: going to close the wall. So
01:54:44 Speaker 31: if we're looking at the impact
01:54:53 Speaker 164: to the environment and to nature
01:54:56 Speaker 165: and to the residents, you're saying
01:54:59 Speaker 165: that there's no wall there. Number
01:55:01 Speaker 165: two comment in terms of that
01:55:04 Speaker 165: is when we look at an
01:55:07 Speaker 165: event space in the middle of
01:55:09 Speaker 165: a city or an event space
01:55:11 Speaker 166: anywhere. else, the structure is pretty
01:55:13 Speaker 166: solid and built and constructed for
01:55:14 Speaker 165: to retain all the noise within
01:55:17 Speaker 165: that structure. If you go to
01:55:19 Speaker 165: an arena space in downtown Toronto,
01:55:20 Speaker 165: you stand outside, you're not hearing
01:55:21 Speaker 165: any of the noise from inside
01:55:24 Speaker 165: their building because the entire building
01:55:25 Speaker 165: is solid and sealed. This one
01:55:27 Speaker 165: has a retractable wall, and I
01:55:28 Speaker 165: just am curious as to the
01:55:30 Speaker 165: viability of that to actually retain
01:55:31 Speaker 165: the sounds. That's kind of why
01:55:33 Speaker 165: I'm looking at the health study
01:55:35 Speaker 165: there. And then the other question
01:55:37 Speaker 165: you've mentioned it, and I do
01:55:40 Speaker 165: appreciate the detail. to which you
01:55:43 Speaker 165: went into the report and your
01:55:44 Speaker 165: explanation to Ken and Council today,
01:55:46 Speaker 165: but when we look at like
01:55:48 Speaker 165: the it says in the report
01:55:50 Speaker 165: that the conservation authority doesn't have
01:55:52 Speaker 165: any questions or comment or any
01:55:54 Speaker 165: proposals against the proposal other than
01:55:57 Speaker 165: the idea of please move the
01:56:01 Speaker 165: things you've already built within the
01:56:03 Speaker 165: hazard lands. Like there's challenges to
01:56:04 Speaker 165: what's been done, and I realize
01:56:06 Speaker 165: we're looking at this as a
01:56:07 Speaker 165: new structure, but at what point
01:56:10 Speaker 165: do we consider the likelihood? of
01:56:13 Speaker 165: falling through with restrictions or implementations
01:56:16 Speaker 165: that get put in versus history
01:56:18 Speaker 167: of a proposal. So I guess
01:56:23 Speaker 167: my question is on the noise
01:56:24 Speaker 168: study itself: wall down or open,
01:56:30 Speaker 168: and then trying to understand new
01:56:32 Speaker 168: file versus history. Yeah. So if
01:56:34 Speaker 169: I recollect properly with the noise
01:56:38 Speaker 169: study, I believe. that they did
01:56:40 Speaker 169: look at both a closed and
01:56:41 Speaker 170: open scenario for those retractable doors,
01:56:45 Speaker 171: and yes, so they did. I
01:56:48 Speaker 171: think they're recommending that 10 p.m.
01:56:52 Speaker 171: is when all of the doors
01:56:56 Speaker 171: would be fully closed, which would
01:57:00 Speaker 171: then, of course, insulate the noise
01:57:03 Speaker 171: more fully. Again, you know that
01:57:05 Speaker 171: 10 p.m. is not part of
01:57:07 Speaker 171: the zoning at this stage. I
01:57:09 Speaker 171: think that's a number that we
01:57:12 Speaker 171: can still work with, if you
01:57:14 Speaker 171: know if we're looking for an
01:57:16 Speaker 171: earlier time for. example, you know,
01:57:19 Speaker 171: I think that's still a discussion
01:57:21 Speaker 171: that can be explored as an
01:57:23 Speaker 171: next step with the applicants, either
01:57:31 Speaker 171: through that zoning or or through
01:57:32 Speaker 171: that site plan application process. That's
01:57:34 Speaker 171: just the number that's been presented
01:57:36 Speaker 152: at this stage. With regards to
01:57:39 Speaker 152: that history, again, yeah, I think
01:57:40 Speaker 152: to your to your point about
01:57:43 Speaker 152: the conservation authority's comments, and just
01:57:44 Speaker 152: for everyone's benefit, I think that
01:57:46 Speaker 152: there was maybe one tent platform
01:57:48 Speaker 152: that the conservation authority had flagged
01:57:50 Speaker 152: was located within the hazard lands.
01:57:52 Speaker 152: and again, so any non-complying structures
01:57:55 Speaker 152: would be would be required to
01:57:56 Speaker 152: comply. So they would all need
01:57:59 Speaker 152: to be situated, of course, outside
01:58:00 Speaker 152: of the hazard lands, and and
01:58:02 Speaker 152: would have to conform to all
01:58:05 Speaker 152: the required setbacks and boundaries. And
01:58:06 Speaker 152: you know, luckily, a lot of
01:58:08 Speaker 152: what they have constructed are mostly
01:58:09 Speaker 152: just platforms at this stage, so
01:58:10 Speaker 152: they are fairly movable. Okay, thank
01:58:12 Speaker 152: you. We're going to go to
01:58:14 Speaker 152: Councillor Mackey next. Thank you, Warden.
01:58:16 Speaker 152: My questions, after all those questions
01:58:16 Speaker 152: from Councillor Nielsen, have been answered.
01:58:20 Speaker 152: Thank you. Okay, thank you. Are
01:58:23 Speaker 152: there any further questions then from
01:58:26 Speaker 152: any other members? I will go
01:58:30 Speaker 152: to Councillor Kenner. Thank you, and
01:58:32 Speaker 152: through you, Warden Matrasovsa. Two concerns
01:58:34 Speaker 152: here, and the first one has
01:58:37 Speaker 152: to do. with relief against the
01:58:38 Speaker 152: noise situation. It seems unusual that
01:58:40 Speaker 152: it is extended well past you
01:58:41 Speaker 152: know bedtime for a lot of
01:58:44 Speaker 152: people, and the other one has
01:58:45 Speaker 152: to do with an extension of
01:58:47 Speaker 152: relief from the the need for
01:58:49 Speaker 152: a septic system. And I just
01:58:51 Speaker 152: are we setting precedents here with
01:58:55 Speaker 152: these two situations, or are we
01:58:57 Speaker 152: are there other examples where we
01:59:01 Speaker 152: have provided this kind of relief
01:59:02 Speaker 152: to other other operators. Thank you.
01:59:03 Speaker 152: Yeah, so that again, that relief
01:59:07 Speaker 152: against the noise bylaw that that
01:59:09 Speaker 152: is personally a new one for
01:59:13 Speaker 152: me. Um, seeing that within a
01:59:15 Speaker 152: zoning bylaw. Um, and again, I
01:59:17 Speaker 152: you know I think it was
01:59:18 Speaker 152: um a good decision um by
01:59:21 Speaker 152: the applicant to include that in
01:59:23 Speaker 152: there because it's become part of
01:59:26 Speaker 152: that public discussion, and I I
01:59:27 Speaker 152: think that's. Discussion and I think
01:59:29 Speaker 152: that's important to have. Again, whether
01:59:32 Speaker 152: or not that lies within that
01:59:34 Speaker 152: zoning bylaw amendment or not, again,
01:59:37 Speaker 152: is I think the discretion of
01:59:38 Speaker 152: of Gray Highlands and and sort
01:59:40 Speaker 152: of how they're interpreting that that
01:59:42 Speaker 152: noise bylaw and and how those
01:59:43 Speaker 152: exemption processes can work internally for
01:59:45 Speaker 152: them. And so, yeah, I don't
01:59:53 Speaker 152: I don't necessarily want to speculate
01:59:55 Speaker 152: too much about that, not knowing
01:59:57 Speaker 172: kind of the full history of
02:00:02 Speaker 172: how that's been implemented in the
02:00:03 Speaker 173: past. There, with regards to septic
02:00:07 Speaker 128: system, and yes, I fully agree.
02:00:11 Speaker 128: It is a bit of an
02:00:12 Speaker 128: unusual system. A bit of an
02:00:12 Speaker 128: unusual situation. I know recently in
02:00:14 Speaker 128: Gray Highlands there was another accommodation
02:00:17 Speaker 128: facility right on Lake Eugenia that
02:00:19 Speaker 128: was proposing portable toilets, sort of
02:00:20 Speaker 128: indefinitely into the future as a
02:00:22 Speaker 128: sort of the the form of
02:00:23 Speaker 128: servicing for that proposal. And you
02:00:24 Speaker 128: know, I I I didn't love
02:00:27 Speaker 128: that approach. I didn't really feel
02:00:29 Speaker 128: that that met kind of the
02:00:33 Speaker 128: requirements of the PPS or the
02:00:35 Speaker 128: OP in terms of you know
02:00:37 Speaker 128: the types of services. You know
02:00:40 Speaker 128: the the types of servicing that
02:00:42 Speaker 128: would be permitted into the long
02:00:45 Speaker 128: term. For this one in particular,
02:00:47 Speaker 174: I think, provided that the frameworks
02:00:51 Speaker 174: are in place to ensure that
02:00:57 Speaker 174: they can get to that future
02:01:01 Speaker 174: system that is going to be
02:01:02 Speaker 174: viable and will be the best
02:01:05 Speaker 174: case scenario, it's something that I
02:01:07 Speaker 174: I I can support and and
02:01:09 Speaker 174: get behind. And especially acknowledging the
02:01:11 Speaker 174: servicing report has confirmed already, even
02:01:13 Speaker 175: with the existing. zoning in place
02:01:17 Speaker 175: for the health spa and the
02:01:20 Speaker 175: trailers on site, those existing septic
02:01:21 Speaker 176: systems are already above capacity. So,
02:01:25 Speaker 176: kind of knowing all of those
02:01:26 Speaker 177: things, you know, the servicing study
02:01:28 Speaker 178: really did stress, you know, we
02:01:31 Speaker 178: need to actually convert to the
02:01:32 Speaker 178: portable systems. These shouldn't really be
02:01:34 Speaker 178: used anymore. And so, just to
02:01:35 Speaker 178: give them time to to do
02:01:36 Speaker 59: that, because I do understand it
02:01:38 Speaker 59: is quite a big expense installing
02:01:39 Speaker 59: that. We did feel it was
02:01:42 Speaker 59: fair to allow. them three years
02:01:46 Speaker 59: to to be able to do
02:01:48 Speaker 59: that. Okay, so I see that
02:01:49 Speaker 59: concludes with Councillor Katner. I see
02:01:51 Speaker 59: Councillor Body and then Councillor McQueen.
02:01:53 Speaker 179: Councillor Body first. Um, thank you,
02:01:55 Speaker 179: Warden. First of all, want to
02:01:57 Speaker 179: thank Planning. Very detailed report, Becky.
02:01:59 Speaker 179: Thank you. Obviously, there has been
02:02:00 Speaker 179: a lot of hard work. and
02:02:02 Speaker 179: I wouldn't want to count the
02:02:04 Speaker 180: number of hours that have gone
02:02:06 Speaker 180: into this. And the easiest answer
02:02:08 Speaker 180: for planning is to say no.
02:02:09 Speaker 180: And you've clearly done everything you
02:02:10 Speaker 59: can to try and chip off
02:02:13 Speaker 59: the corners of a square block
02:02:14 Speaker 59: to try and get into a
02:02:16 Speaker 59: round hall. I think I'm probably
02:02:18 Speaker 59: consistent that I'm always complaining about
02:02:20 Speaker 59: urban development on rural services and
02:02:21 Speaker 59: that they need to be on
02:02:23 Speaker 59: urban services. This is much the
02:02:24 Speaker 59: same. The septic system, even when
02:02:25 Speaker 59: it's put in to have up
02:02:27 Speaker 59: to ninety-five people plus plus staff,
02:02:29 Speaker 59: is going to be one heck
02:02:31 Speaker 59: of a system. That's that's a
02:02:32 Speaker 59: rural septic system. Becky's indicated that
02:02:34 Speaker 59: you know we policy-wise probably be
02:02:35 Speaker 59: okay with that. From my point
02:02:38 Speaker 59: of view, to be consistent, I'm
02:02:39 Speaker 59: I'm not okay with that. That
02:02:41 Speaker 59: type of service and and Service
02:02:43 Speaker 59: in in a rural area, but
02:02:45 Speaker 59: thanks to staff, are really working
02:02:46 Speaker 181: hard to try and make this
02:02:49 Speaker 181: work. Okay, so next we go
02:02:51 Speaker 181: over to Councillor McQueen. Thank you,
02:02:54 Speaker 181: Madam Warden, and good words from
02:02:55 Speaker 181: Councillor Body. That staff has been
02:02:56 Speaker 181: a lot of work here for
02:02:58 Speaker 181: sure. A couple things, and I
02:02:59 Speaker 182: apologize for my street Google or
02:03:02 Speaker 182: whatever went off because I thought
02:03:04 Speaker 183: you turned on volume off and
02:03:08 Speaker 183: it doesn't work. But I was
02:03:09 Speaker 183: trying to figure out some kilometres
02:03:11 Speaker 183: and. part of that. I wanted
02:03:13 Speaker 183: to talk about the noise exemption
02:03:14 Speaker 183: first. Generally, at Green Highlands, we
02:03:15 Speaker 183: will we request for noise if
02:03:17 Speaker 183: it's a one-off event. A lot
02:03:18 Speaker 183: of times, if somebody's having an
02:03:20 Speaker 183: event at their property, or we
02:03:21 Speaker 183: just had one for the Markdale
02:03:22 Speaker 183: Agricultural Society for their fair. You
02:03:25 Speaker 183: know, a lot of those are
02:03:27 Speaker 183: sort of one-offs type of things
02:03:28 Speaker 183: that you know that we would
02:03:30 Speaker 183: consider. So, you know, I mean,
02:03:31 Speaker 183: I'm sure that's in a lot
02:03:32 Speaker 183: of people's playlists. but I think
02:03:34 Speaker 183: I you know, and I want
02:03:36 Speaker 59: to say also I you know
02:03:39 Speaker 59: I don't think we're a can't
02:03:41 Speaker 59: economic development you know a place
02:03:42 Speaker 59: for people to really to have
02:03:45 Speaker 59: a business to to make things
02:03:49 Speaker 59: happen to to have a venue
02:03:51 Speaker 59: to have accommodations because I know
02:03:53 Speaker 59: a big part and we're all
02:03:54 Speaker 59: part of of Gray County is
02:03:56 Speaker 59: word of people's state we don't
02:03:58 Speaker 59: have hotels we don't have a
02:04:00 Speaker 59: lot of stuff there's other venues
02:04:01 Speaker 59: for that and hey you know
02:04:03 Speaker 59: what getting married out in in
02:04:05 Speaker 59: the you know like I think
02:04:06 Speaker 59: Becky you you raised a good
02:04:07 Speaker 59: point. You raise a good point.
02:04:10 Speaker 59: You know, where's a good place
02:04:11 Speaker 59: to have an officiation of of
02:04:14 Speaker 59: your wedding? You know, people like
02:04:15 Speaker 59: that natural setting and that type
02:04:16 Speaker 59: of thing for sure. And and
02:04:18 Speaker 184: and that, but I think it
02:04:22 Speaker 185: comes back. It's about the bigger
02:04:28 Speaker 185: part, along with other. It's the
02:04:30 Speaker 185: noise, noise concerns is is what's
02:04:32 Speaker 185: been coming back more and more.
02:04:34 Speaker 186: You know, and I think we
02:04:37 Speaker 79: got to appreciate. I think it
02:04:41 Speaker 79: was made in the from the
02:04:44 Speaker 79: first lady that spoke about eight
02:04:45 Speaker 187: homes in in in the close
02:04:51 Speaker 187: proximity, which we know are in
02:04:52 Speaker 187: that area. and you know, you
02:04:54 Speaker 187: know, as I think Mr. Kentner
02:04:56 Speaker 187: said that you know we certain
02:04:58 Speaker 187: times at night we sort of
02:04:59 Speaker 188: want to shut things down and
02:05:01 Speaker 188: we don't want noise that long.
02:05:06 Speaker 188: So I was doing a little
02:05:07 Speaker 188: bit of a calculation, and I
02:05:08 Speaker 79: think it was mentioned that there
02:05:11 Speaker 79: are two wedding barns within the
02:05:18 Speaker 79: area, and wedding barns are probably
02:05:19 Speaker 79: on an agricultural area where there's
02:05:21 Speaker 131: bigger spaces. I mean, no doubt,
02:05:24 Speaker 131: and reason, good reason for that.
02:05:27 Speaker 131: And they they weren't a walk
02:05:30 Speaker 131: in a park either, both wedding
02:05:32 Speaker 131: barns. There was a lot of
02:05:34 Speaker 131: black. There was a lot of
02:05:37 Speaker 131: back and forth, but not a
02:05:38 Speaker 131: lot of time spent. But I
02:05:41 Speaker 131: was doing a calculation to the
02:05:42 Speaker 131: closest community centre, is the Osprey
02:05:44 Speaker 131: Community Centre, which is 14
02:05:46 Speaker 131: kilometres away. You know, and and
02:05:50 Speaker 131: I've said this before. You know,
02:05:54 Speaker 131: have the wedding, have your your
02:05:56 Speaker 189: your evening dinner, and then throughout,
02:06:02 Speaker 190: we all have in our municipalities,
02:06:05 Speaker 191: we have community centres to host
02:06:09 Speaker 191: those events and those fun times.
02:06:10 Speaker 191: Like we, a wedding is a
02:06:14 Speaker 191: celebration of life. It's a it's
02:06:16 Speaker 191: a fun thing. People. The fun
02:06:19 Speaker 191: thing, people, you know, you want
02:06:21 Speaker 191: to celebrate. Noise happens, and I
02:06:23 Speaker 192: don't think I don't think anybody
02:06:26 Speaker 192: here would argue against that, you
02:06:28 Speaker 193: know. And then, you know, if
02:06:32 Speaker 193: there's some alcohol involved, maybe the
02:06:34 Speaker 194: tunage gets a little higher too.
02:06:36 Speaker 194: So, I think it goes back
02:06:38 Speaker 194: to the extension, you know. I
02:06:42 Speaker 194: see it, and a lot of
02:06:45 Speaker 194: the biggest comments it goes into
02:06:47 Speaker 194: the extension into the evening. That
02:06:51 Speaker 194: is key issue here. Okay, thank
02:06:52 Speaker 194: you. And now we're. over to
02:06:55 Speaker 194: the deputy warden. Thank you, Madam
02:06:58 Speaker 194: Warden, and thank you, Becky, for
02:07:01 Speaker 194: the as Councillor Body mentioned a
02:07:05 Speaker 194: really good report. My question is
02:07:07 Speaker 194: related to what response, if any,
02:07:11 Speaker 194: did we get to the First
02:07:16 Speaker 194: Nations that we circulated this file
02:07:19 Speaker 194: to? Thank you. Yeah, thanks for
02:07:24 Speaker 194: that. We did certainly circulate to
02:07:26 Speaker 194: them. We also advise the applicant
02:07:29 Speaker 194: to reach out to them during
02:07:32 Speaker 194: the. pre-circulation stage, and to date,
02:07:35 Speaker 194: we haven't had any comments from
02:07:38 Speaker 194: from any of our First Nations
02:07:40 Speaker 194: partners on this one. Follow up.
02:07:43 Speaker 194: Just a quick follow up. Do
02:07:46 Speaker 194: we know whether the proponents actually
02:07:51 Speaker 194: engaged with the First Nations or
02:07:55 Speaker 194: or not? Please. Yeah, it's a
02:07:58 Speaker 194: good question. I'm actually not sure
02:08:01 Speaker 194: about that, and certainly since the
02:08:05 Speaker 194: time of of the pre-consultation for
02:08:07 Speaker 194: this one and. Consultation for this
02:08:09 Speaker 194: one, and even since the time
02:08:12 Speaker 194: it has been submitted, our ways
02:08:14 Speaker 194: of engaging and communicating with our
02:08:16 Speaker 194: First Nations partners has certainly evolved
02:08:19 Speaker 194: during during the past year and
02:08:22 Speaker 194: a half or so. So I'm
02:08:25 Speaker 194: not, I don't believe that they,
02:08:28 Speaker 194: or I'm actually not sure if
02:08:30 Speaker 194: they did engage with our First
02:08:35 Speaker 194: Nations partners during the pre-consultation stage.
02:08:37 Speaker 194: Certainly, they were circulated through the
02:09:30 Speaker 194: circulations, but no. I don't believe
02:09:32 Speaker 194: we had heard from them on
02:09:34 Speaker 194: this application. Final follow up, Deputy
02:09:36 Speaker 194: Warden. Thank you, Madam Warden. Just
02:09:38 Speaker 194: real quickly, I guess I would
02:09:42 Speaker 194: suggest that we should be making
02:09:43 Speaker 194: sure that the proponents do make
02:09:47 Speaker 195: contact with the First Nations. Just
02:09:52 Speaker 195: to assume they're going to leaves
02:09:54 Speaker 152: a little bit of room for
02:09:56 Speaker 152: a wiggle, so. Bit of room
02:09:59 Speaker 152: for wiggle. So anyway, thank you.
02:10:02 Speaker 152: Okay, we're going to go to
02:10:03 Speaker 152: Councillor Dobrin next, and then to
02:10:05 Speaker 152: Councillor Keaveny. Thank you, and through
02:10:07 Speaker 152: you, thank you, Becky. I too
02:10:10 Speaker 152: is going to ask about the
02:10:11 Speaker 152: First Nations because we had experience
02:10:12 Speaker 152: where we circulated, but it wasn't
02:10:14 Speaker 152: reaching anyone. So the lack of
02:10:16 Speaker 152: response or acknowledgement of an email,
02:10:18 Speaker 152: we shouldn't assume that. they received
02:10:19 Speaker 152: it and have no comment, because
02:10:22 Speaker 152: that has come back to be
02:10:24 Speaker 152: a problem. And certainly, archaeological studies
02:10:28 Speaker 152: are being asked for for severances.
02:10:31 Speaker 152: So this this might be another.
02:10:32 Speaker 152: But on the subject of my
02:10:35 Speaker 152: questions, Madam Warden, the temporary use,
02:10:37 Speaker 152: or sorry, the the deferral of
02:10:41 Speaker 152: the the septic for three years.
02:10:43 Speaker 152: would it be reasonable then to
02:10:45 Speaker 152: allow for a temporary use to
02:10:50 Speaker 196: monitor how what the impact on
02:10:54 Speaker 62: the community would be if this
02:10:59 Speaker 62: was approved? That is my first
02:11:03 Speaker 62: kind of concept. And are the
02:11:06 Speaker 62: portable toilets commercial toilets that would
02:11:08 Speaker 62: be you know circulated? I have
02:11:11 Speaker 62: personal experience of a quiet family
02:11:13 Speaker 62: trailer park. turned rural farm for
02:11:26 Speaker 62: hire, where groups and weddings come
02:11:27 Speaker 62: up to hootenoller and noise travels
02:11:28 Speaker 62: in rural Ontario. So, to the
02:11:29 Speaker 62: point of the more urban halls,
02:11:31 Speaker 62: they're more soundproofed. I have a
02:11:33 Speaker 62: con—I had a concern about the
02:11:35 Speaker 197: existing hall that was built without
02:11:38 Speaker 197: a permit. That it appears to
02:11:39 Speaker 197: be about three quarters glass. with
02:11:41 Speaker 197: a removable door to have music
02:11:44 Speaker 197: going all afternoon and evening, even
02:11:45 Speaker 197: up until ten, is fine if
02:11:47 Speaker 197: you like the music. But you
02:11:50 Speaker 197: know, music is not to everyone's
02:11:53 Speaker 197: taste, and again, the enforcement aspect
02:11:55 Speaker 197: of it. And I again, personal
02:11:57 Speaker 197: experience to people who don't understand.
02:12:00 Speaker 197: Round that is going to be,
02:12:02 Speaker 197: you know, a significant expense, and
02:12:04 Speaker 197: I and I understand that. But
02:12:06 Speaker 197: perhaps if they want to defer
02:12:07 Speaker 197: the requirement for septic, then perhaps.
02:12:09 Speaker 197: we could we could provide a
02:12:10 Speaker 197: temporary use to monitor the impact
02:12:12 Speaker 197: on the neighbours. Thank you so
02:12:14 Speaker 197: much for that question, Councillor Dobrin.
02:12:15 Speaker 197: And this was very much something
02:12:17 Speaker 197: that staff, county staff, and Grey
02:12:19 Speaker 197: Highlands staff had discussed, and which
02:12:21 Speaker 197: we also felt would be a
02:12:23 Speaker 197: really good route forward for this
02:12:25 Speaker 197: one is is looking at that
02:12:28 Speaker 197: temporary use bylaw for everyone's reference.
02:12:30 Speaker 197: Temporary. use bylaws can be put
02:12:31 Speaker 197: in place for a period of
02:12:33 Speaker 197: up to three years, which coincidentally
02:12:34 Speaker 197: is the time we're looking for
02:12:37 Speaker 197: to install that septic system. And
02:12:38 Speaker 197: and sort of given some of
02:12:40 Speaker 197: the concerns with previous bylaw infractions,
02:12:41 Speaker 197: we did feel that could be
02:12:43 Speaker 197: a fair route forward. The Grey
02:12:45 Speaker 197: Highlands planner actually within their recent
02:12:46 Speaker 197: staff report to Grey Highlands Council
02:12:48 Speaker 197: for June 18th had put forward
02:12:50 Speaker 197: that recommendation, which we had discussed
02:12:52 Speaker 197: beforehand. Miss Loft and her client
02:12:54 Speaker 197: were not in favour of that
02:12:56 Speaker 197: approach, and so that was not
02:12:57 Speaker 197: further discussed or voted upon by
02:12:59 Speaker 197: council at that stage. Follow up.
02:13:00 Speaker 197: Thank you. And because the septic
02:13:01 Speaker 197: for this size of use would
02:13:03 Speaker 197: be a significant expense, the three
02:13:04 Speaker 197: years would also. provide the proponent
02:13:05 Speaker 197: to monitor whether or not this
02:13:08 Speaker 197: is even a viable business model.
02:13:09 Speaker 197: Thank you, Director Taylor. Yeah, thank
02:13:11 Speaker 197: you for the comments and questions.
02:13:13 Speaker 197: I just want to respond to
02:13:15 Speaker 197: a few things that that we've
02:13:18 Speaker 197: heard here. I will get get
02:13:21 Speaker 197: to your question, Councillor Devereen, through
02:13:22 Speaker 197: you, Madam Warden, with respect to
02:13:24 Speaker 197: the. First Nations consultation, Becky alluded
02:13:26 Speaker 197: to it in some of her
02:13:28 Speaker 197: comments. As we heard at the
02:13:29 Speaker 197: the previous council meeting, we've we've
02:13:30 Speaker 197: been working quite closely with a
02:13:34 Speaker 197: number of our local First Nations
02:13:35 Speaker 197: through the archaeological management plan process,
02:13:37 Speaker 197: and we've looked to to step
02:13:38 Speaker 197: up our our communications and and
02:13:41 Speaker 197: and our relationship building in that
02:13:43 Speaker 197: regard. Just recently, on a staff
02:13:45 Speaker 197: to staff staff to staff level,
02:13:46 Speaker 197: we've set up regular monthly meetings
02:13:48 Speaker 197: with Saugeen Ojibway Nation Environment Office.
02:13:49 Speaker 197: Njibbey Nation Environment Office staff, just
02:13:52 Speaker 197: to make sure that nothing is
02:13:53 Speaker 197: slipping through the cracks there, and
02:13:57 Speaker 197: and certainly I don't want to
02:13:59 Speaker 197: speak on behalf of any First
02:14:00 Speaker 197: Nation or Mét organisation, but the
02:14:02 Speaker 197: one thing consistently that a number
02:14:04 Speaker 197: of them have told us is
02:14:05 Speaker 197: because their territories are so large,
02:14:06 Speaker 197: and because the scope of development
02:14:08 Speaker 197: interest in their territories are so
02:14:12 Speaker 197: large, they simply can't get to
02:14:12 Speaker 197: everything. And I'm I'm not speaking
02:14:14 Speaker 197: specifically to this Beacon proposal, but
02:14:18 Speaker 197: what they've noted to to staff
02:14:21 Speaker 197: in some of these discussions is
02:14:23 Speaker 197: that we need to work together.
02:14:24 Speaker 197: to understand what are the truly
02:14:26 Speaker 197: important ones to to their interests
02:14:28 Speaker 197: and and what ones that they
02:14:30 Speaker 197: may have less interest in. But
02:14:33 Speaker 197: so I mentioned the the
02:14:35 Speaker 197: one on one meetings with the
02:14:37 Speaker 197: Selk'nam Injibway Nation staff. We've also
02:14:39 Speaker 197: recently had a staff to staff
02:14:41 Speaker 197: meeting with staff from the Six
02:14:42 Speaker 197: Nations of the Grand River. Again,
02:14:45 Speaker 197: we've similar to Councillor Millen's comments
02:14:47 Speaker 197: or Deputy Warden Millen's comments. We've
02:14:49 Speaker 197: we've ensured that that we are
02:14:51 Speaker 197: talking to the right people and
02:14:55 Speaker 197: it's not going to a dead
02:14:57 Speaker 198: inbox in that regard. Certainly, if
02:14:59 Speaker 198: it was Councillor's will, we could
02:15:00 Speaker 198: reach back out to. the First
02:15:02 Speaker 197: Nations or Mét organisations in this
02:15:05 Speaker 197: regard, but I did just want
02:15:07 Speaker 197: to give an update there with
02:15:12 Speaker 197: respect to to our practices. With
02:15:15 Speaker 197: respect to some of the comments
02:15:17 Speaker 197: about the temporary uses and and
02:15:19 Speaker 197: the septic system and the like,
02:15:22 Speaker 197: I do just want to be
02:15:24 Speaker 197: cautious that that we are focusing
02:15:26 Speaker 197: our discussions on the county official
02:15:28 Speaker 197: plan amendment. Certainly, Grey Highlands has
02:15:30 Speaker 197: lots of tools at their disposal
02:15:31 Speaker 199: with respect to a zoning bylaw
02:15:37 Speaker 199: amendment. They could include a holding
02:15:37 Speaker 200: system. They could, as Misselier has
02:15:42 Speaker 201: noted. As Miss Hillier has noted,
02:15:44 Speaker 201: go through the site plan control
02:15:46 Speaker 201: process, but we have limited tools
02:15:48 Speaker 201: at our disposal with respect to
02:15:50 Speaker 201: the official plan amendment. So, if
02:15:52 Speaker 201: Council were to see fit to
02:15:53 Speaker 201: pass an official plan amendment, that
02:15:56 Speaker 201: amendment is permanent. We don't have
02:15:58 Speaker 201: the ability to do a temporary
02:16:00 Speaker 201: official plan amendment or a three-year
02:16:02 Speaker 201: official plan amendment. In regard, as
02:16:06 Speaker 201: Miss Hillier has noted, that is
02:16:08 Speaker 201: fully within the realm of of
02:16:09 Speaker 201: of a municipality with respect to
02:16:10 Speaker 201: zoning by amendment. She stated that
02:16:11 Speaker 202: the proponent and and their their
02:16:16 Speaker 202: H. And their agent, Ms. Loft,
02:16:17 Speaker 203: were not in favour of that
02:16:19 Speaker 203: approach. But there are those tools
02:16:21 Speaker 203: with respect to the site plan
02:16:23 Speaker 204: and agreements in that regard. The
02:16:26 Speaker 205: only other thing I'd say with
02:16:28 Speaker 205: respect to the septic system and
02:16:30 Speaker 205: event facilities across the county is
02:16:31 Speaker 206: we do have a number of
02:16:34 Speaker 207: event facilities across the county that
02:16:37 Speaker 207: are already operating that use portable
02:16:39 Speaker 207: toilets as their primary means. Certainly,
02:16:42 Speaker 207: we think to those facilities that
02:16:46 Speaker 207: might only have one or two
02:16:48 Speaker 207: events a year and have large
02:16:51 Speaker 207: numbers of crowds. We heard, you
02:16:53 Speaker 207: know, lots of comments today. Other
02:16:55 Speaker 207: things. Typically, when we're looking at
02:16:59 Speaker 207: relatively few events, definitely portable toilets
02:17:01 Speaker 207: are usually the way to go.
02:17:07 Speaker 207: Short of being situated at a
02:17:09 Speaker 207: local arena or community centre, they
02:17:10 Speaker 208: simply don't have the demand or
02:17:14 Speaker 208: the capacity available available to facilitate
02:17:15 Speaker 208: those. When we think about some
02:17:17 Speaker 152: of our our more rural celebrations,
02:17:21 Speaker 152: you know, maple syrup festivals or
02:17:24 Speaker 152: harvest festivals, again, those those portable
02:17:27 Speaker 152: toilets are are very much the
02:17:29 Speaker 152: way to go, as Becky has
02:17:31 Speaker 152: noted. Particularly on this one, when
02:17:35 Speaker 152: they're looking at multiple events a
02:17:36 Speaker 152: year, when we're looking at operating
02:17:38 Speaker 152: year-round, staff have pushed the proponent
02:17:39 Speaker 209: here for a more permanent solution.
02:17:43 Speaker 210: But if if Gray Highlands, through
02:17:46 Speaker 210: future applications, were to deem it
02:17:48 Speaker 210: appropriate to consider sort of a
02:17:49 Speaker 210: phase-in period where those temporary facilities
02:17:51 Speaker 211: could still be used in advance
02:17:54 Speaker 212: of the the formal septic. system
02:17:58 Speaker 212: and washrooms, I would say that's
02:18:00 Speaker 212: not completely inconsistent with how a
02:18:02 Speaker 213: number of other event facilities have
02:18:05 Speaker 213: been treated across the county in
02:18:07 Speaker 213: the past. Okay, thank you. We're
02:18:09 Speaker 213: going to go to Councillor Keaveny
02:18:12 Speaker 213: next. Thank you, Warden Matrasovs, and
02:18:14 Speaker 214: Director Taylor has predominantly just answered
02:18:17 Speaker 214: my question. I was going to
02:18:19 Speaker 215: ask about the enforcement capabilities if
02:18:22 Speaker 216: the proponent, after three years, determined
02:18:24 Speaker 217: that they couldn't go. forward for
02:18:30 Speaker 152: whatever reason with the septic system,
02:18:32 Speaker 152: you know what was our ability
02:18:34 Speaker 152: or Grey Highlands' ability to enforce,
02:18:38 Speaker 152: or could they ask for an
02:18:39 Speaker 152: extension? So I think that's predominantly
02:18:41 Speaker 152: been covered. Thank you. Okay, thank
02:18:43 Speaker 152: you. And okay, I saw two
02:18:51 Speaker 152: hands go up. Once we're going
02:18:53 Speaker 152: to go to Councillor Carlton, and
02:18:54 Speaker 152: then over to Councillor Mackie. Thank
02:19:00 Speaker 152: you, Warden. Just to go back
02:19:05 Speaker 152: to the question about the noise
02:19:06 Speaker 218: study that was done, I did
02:19:09 Speaker 218: a quick search. and it was
02:19:10 Speaker 218: done with the doors open, but
02:19:12 Speaker 218: it was completed using a pink
02:19:14 Speaker 218: noise file. And when I did
02:19:16 Speaker 218: a search online to find out
02:19:17 Speaker 218: what that type of file would
02:19:19 Speaker 218: be, it identifies that white noise
02:19:20 Speaker 218: is all frequencies coming through at
02:19:22 Speaker 218: the same intensity, and it's high
02:19:23 Speaker 219: pitched, so ears don't like it.
02:19:26 Speaker 219: A pink noise file subdues that,
02:19:30 Speaker 219: makes sure the sounds are gentler.
02:19:32 Speaker 219: and less likely to overwhelm people,
02:19:34 Speaker 219: so I think doing a noise
02:19:36 Speaker 219: study using a pink noise audio
02:19:37 Speaker 219: file kind of defeated the purpose
02:19:40 Speaker 219: of doing the noise study. It's
02:19:43 Speaker 219: a little misleading. Okay, thank you.
02:19:46 Speaker 219: And is there any staff comment
02:19:49 Speaker 219: to that before I go to
02:19:54 Speaker 219: Councillor Mackey? Yeah. So thank you
02:19:57 Speaker 219: for that. No. And yeah, your
02:20:01 Speaker 219: your due diligence on there is
02:20:03 Speaker 219: is. is appreciated. Yeah, with regards
02:20:05 Speaker 219: to that, again, I I can't
02:20:06 Speaker 219: attest to being a audio expert
02:20:08 Speaker 219: or noise acoustic expert, which again
02:20:10 Speaker 219: is is why we did have
02:20:13 Speaker 219: that peer reviewed for that expertise.
02:20:16 Speaker 219: So yeah, I would just defer
02:20:18 Speaker 219: to the to the peer review
02:20:20 Speaker 219: on that, and can certainly share
02:20:22 Speaker 219: those comments if interested. Okay, thank
02:20:25 Speaker 219: you. We'll go over to Councillor
02:20:28 Speaker 219: Mackie. Thank you. Warden, and thank
02:20:30 Speaker 219: you, Becky. I know this has
02:20:32 Speaker 219: been a difficult file for you,
02:20:34 Speaker 219: and you've done a really good
02:20:36 Speaker 219: job. But just a follow-up
02:20:38 Speaker 219: from Councillor Debrine's question: When you
02:20:40 Speaker 219: talked about the number of structures
02:20:42 Speaker 219: that have been erected without a
02:20:44 Speaker 219: building permit, does that include the
02:20:47 Speaker 219: hall? That the picture of the
02:20:48 Speaker 219: large hall, so it was erected
02:20:51 Speaker 219: without a building permit. Is it
02:20:53 Speaker 220: being utilised right now without? a
02:20:56 Speaker 220: building permit, and are other structures
02:20:58 Speaker 220: that have been erected without building
02:21:01 Speaker 220: permits being utilised or in the
02:21:03 Speaker 221: last period of time. Thank you.
02:21:06 Speaker 221: So, my understanding is that since
02:21:08 Speaker 221: Bylaw has gotten involved on the
02:21:10 Speaker 221: property, they have ceased all business
02:21:12 Speaker 221: operations. So, to my knowledge, the
02:21:15 Speaker 221: the event hall and and none
02:21:17 Speaker 222: of the other structures are are
02:21:20 Speaker 221: currently being used for any sort
02:21:22 Speaker 221: of event function. Are you able
02:21:25 Speaker 221: to verify the the large hall
02:21:28 Speaker 221: that we were showing a picture
02:21:30 Speaker 223: of was it erected without a
02:21:33 Speaker 223: building permit? I believe that is
02:21:35 Speaker 71: the case. Yes. Okay. Thank you.
02:21:38 Speaker 67: We'll go to Councillor Greg next.
02:21:44 Speaker 67: Thank you. And through your warden,
02:21:50 Speaker 67: I appreciate the opportunity to speak
02:21:55 Speaker 67: to the motion. that's on the
02:22:01 Speaker 67: floor. I am concerned that 12
02:22:03 Speaker 67: events per year on the surface
02:22:05 Speaker 67: looks like they could easily be
02:22:07 Speaker 67: spread out through the year, but
02:22:09 Speaker 165: I think that's quite unlikely. I
02:22:13 Speaker 165: am concerned for the neighbours that
02:22:15 Speaker 165: it could be an intensification over
02:22:16 Speaker 165: the May to September preferred months,
02:22:22 Speaker 224: the nicer climate. This weekend will
02:22:25 Speaker 03: be the Summerfolk Festival in Owen
02:22:33 Speaker 74: Sound, and I live greater than
02:22:37 Speaker 74: two kilometres away from the bandshell,
02:22:43 Speaker 74: and now it is open air.
02:22:44 Speaker 74: But I. will enjoy the the
02:22:45 Speaker 225: sounds of music wafting into my
02:22:47 Speaker 74: open windows, dependent upon wind direction,
02:22:52 Speaker 74: air pressure, moisture levels. So two
02:22:55 Speaker 74: kilometres of travel is is not
02:22:57 Speaker 74: to be. I mean that that's
02:22:58 Speaker 74: that's considerable. Your standard mile and
02:22:59 Speaker 74: a quarter in the in the
02:23:03 Speaker 226: rural country can travel literally a
02:23:06 Speaker 226: block under the right conditions, and
02:23:08 Speaker 226: I think it is fair to.
02:23:14 Speaker 226: think that that door could be
02:23:16 Speaker 74: open and probably would be, given
02:23:20 Speaker 74: the climatic conditions outside and warm
02:23:23 Speaker 74: versus cold, whatever. So I am
02:23:28 Speaker 74: concerned for the neighbours. I'm concerned
02:23:31 Speaker 74: about the introduction of significant potential
02:23:32 Speaker 74: conflict to the community. I couldn't
02:23:35 Speaker 74: agree any more with Councillor Nielsen
02:23:37 Speaker 74: about your comments about the county
02:23:40 Speaker 74: waiting into the profitability and the
02:23:42 Speaker 227: business case. I don't think that's
02:23:46 Speaker 74: something that should be part of
02:23:50 Speaker 74: our consideration. Part of our considerations
02:23:53 Speaker 74: that is something that is dependent
02:23:56 Speaker 74: upon the developer, the proponent, the
02:23:58 Speaker 228: applicant. When you purchase a property,
02:24:03 Speaker 217: you've already studied those septic systems
02:24:10 Speaker 152: that are on site. You are
02:24:14 Speaker 152: well, or should be well aware
02:24:15 Speaker 152: of the the challenges or the
02:24:19 Speaker 152: opportunities that were are before you.
02:24:22 Speaker 152: And I don't think I don't
02:24:27 Speaker 152: do not agree with a three
02:24:28 Speaker 152: year allowance to come into compliance
02:24:32 Speaker 152: to have an adequately sized
02:24:35 Speaker 152: septic loading. on the site, so
02:24:38 Speaker 152: I don't think it's appropriate that
02:24:39 Speaker 152: that council would support that. And
02:24:41 Speaker 152: in this instance, I would be
02:24:44 Speaker 152: glad to support the decision making,
02:24:46 Speaker 152: which was made at the local
02:24:49 Speaker 152: level by the elected officials closest
02:24:51 Speaker 229: to their residents, and that was
02:24:53 Speaker 229: to echo the results of the
02:24:57 Speaker 229: vote from the municipality of Greyhound.
02:25:00 Speaker 229: So those are my comments. Thanks.
02:25:04 Speaker 229: Okay, thank you very much. I'm
02:25:07 Speaker 229: just. looking around the table. I
02:25:11 Speaker 229: think we have now captured all.
02:25:13 Speaker 229: Oh, Councillor Eccles. You are so
02:25:16 Speaker 229: close, that close. Is Lake Eugenia
02:25:18 Speaker 229: in a hamlet settlement, or considered
02:25:19 Speaker 229: a hamlet settlement? Portions of Lake
02:25:21 Speaker 229: Eugenia fall with. Portions of Lake
02:25:26 Speaker 229: Eugenia fall within what we call
02:25:30 Speaker 229: the secondary settlement area, and then
02:25:35 Speaker 229: portions of Lake Eugenia fall within
02:25:37 Speaker 229: the Inland Lakes and Shorelines Designation
02:25:39 Speaker 229: Area. So this particular property is
02:25:42 Speaker 229: just north of a portion of
02:25:44 Speaker 229: the Inland Lakes and Shorelines Designation
02:25:48 Speaker 229: Area. Okay, thank you. Any? Oh,
02:25:50 Speaker 229: is there a follow up? Of
02:25:53 Speaker 229: course. Under the current policies, it's
02:25:55 Speaker 229: 0.85. Did I understand that correctly?
02:25:59 Speaker 229: That would connect this. So the
02:26:00 Speaker 229: reason that they're here is because
02:26:04 Speaker 229: they want it to be bigger.
02:26:05 Speaker 229: So this will be somewhat. They're
02:26:08 Speaker 229: going for 1.05 hectares to be
02:26:10 Speaker 229: covered in this. So this is
02:26:11 Speaker 229: kind of precedent setting. We're going
02:26:14 Speaker 229: to set a precedent that we're
02:26:16 Speaker 229: going to deviate from. policy. See
02:26:18 Speaker 230: how that goes, because there's other
02:26:23 Speaker 230: things that we certainly couldn't deviate
02:26:26 Speaker 231: for policy because it would be
02:26:29 Speaker 231: a precedent-setting thing. With that said,
02:26:32 Speaker 231: and it goes back to the
02:26:34 Speaker 231: comment, we have a number of
02:26:36 Speaker 231: other of these types of facilities
02:26:38 Speaker 231: throughout the. county, and certainly a
02:26:42 Speaker 231: couple of them, even within the
02:26:44 Speaker 231: municipality of Gray Highlands. And it
02:26:46 Speaker 231: was indicated by one of the
02:26:48 Speaker 231: presenters this morning that that was
02:26:50 Speaker 231: enough because they operate very. There
02:26:51 Speaker 231: is no problem with them. So,
02:26:54 Speaker 231: what's the difference from the noise,
02:26:56 Speaker 231: from the septic, from everything else,
02:27:00 Speaker 231: from the ones that are operating
02:27:03 Speaker 231: that don't seem to. be a
02:27:05 Speaker 231: problem to this one. Any comments
02:27:09 Speaker 231: or questions? Thank you for those
02:27:10 Speaker 231: questions. So just to confirm, with
02:27:12 Speaker 231: regards to your comment on the
02:27:14 Speaker 231: zero point eight, so this file
02:27:17 Speaker 231: was submitted in, I believe, August
02:27:18 Speaker 231: of twenty twenty four. And so,
02:27:28 Speaker 231: under our official plan, which is
02:27:29 Speaker 231: slightly different than the provincial planning
02:27:31 Speaker 231: statement, we make decisions and planning
02:27:32 Speaker 231: recommendations based on the official planning
02:27:33 Speaker 232: policies that were in effect at
02:27:36 Speaker 232: the time of application submission. So,
02:27:37 Speaker 233: at the time of application submission,
02:27:40 Speaker 234: we did not, at that point,
02:27:44 Speaker 234: have policies in place, any policies
02:27:46 Speaker 235: in place to kind of provide
02:27:49 Speaker 236: policy guidance or frameworks around special
02:27:52 Speaker 59: event. venue types of uses, in
02:27:57 Speaker 59: May 2025, so this year, County
02:27:58 Speaker 59: Council did approve OPA 23, which
02:28:00 Speaker 59: was a amendment to our official
02:28:02 Speaker 59: plan that looked at altering numerous
02:28:04 Speaker 237: land use land uses within the
02:28:07 Speaker 237: rural designation and and kind of
02:28:10 Speaker 237: enhancing and refining some of the
02:28:11 Speaker 237: policies around those and what would
02:28:13 Speaker 237: be permitted there. And one of
02:28:15 Speaker 237: those policies that was was approved
02:28:17 Speaker 238: through OPA 23 was consideration for
02:28:19 Speaker 239: small scale rural event special event
02:28:22 Speaker 239: venues, and they would essentially follow
02:28:23 Speaker 239: the same sizing criteria as our
02:28:24 Speaker 239: on farm diversified use policies. And
02:28:26 Speaker 239: so, based on those policies, for
02:28:28 Speaker 239: a 40 hectare property without an
02:28:30 Speaker 239: official plan amendment, if submitted today
02:28:31 Speaker 239: or any time after May. Today
02:28:33 Speaker 240: or anytime after May 2025, an
02:28:47 Speaker 240: applicant could potentially have a up
02:28:49 Speaker 241: to 0.8 hectare event venue, and
02:28:51 Speaker 242: that includes all the parking, the
02:28:55 Speaker 242: buildings, the servicing, everything within that
02:28:57 Speaker 242: 0.8 hectares, without the need for
02:28:58 Speaker 243: a county official plan amendment. However,
02:29:01 Speaker 244: you know, as the decision that
02:29:04 Speaker 245: we need to make today is
02:29:06 Speaker 245: based on our previous policies in
02:29:07 Speaker 245: effect, it's really just provided for
02:29:09 Speaker 245: informational purposes at at this stage,
02:29:11 Speaker 245: and for for yeah for for
02:29:13 Speaker 246: council's information, and we'll just go
02:29:15 Speaker 246: over to the CAO. And just
02:29:16 Speaker 247: further to to Becky's comments, in
02:29:20 Speaker 247: terms of you know even with
02:29:23 Speaker 247: the provisions as as noted by
02:29:24 Speaker 247: Becky that are in existence today,
02:29:26 Speaker 247: as relates to OPA twenty three,
02:29:29 Speaker 247: doesn't prevent an applicant coming forward
02:29:32 Speaker 248: to ask for any considerations beyond
02:29:37 Speaker 248: that. It is then through an
02:29:38 Speaker 197: official plan amendment process. There will
02:29:40 Speaker 197: be would be studies required, similar
02:29:42 Speaker 197: to studies that have been done
02:29:45 Speaker 197: with respect to this current application.
02:29:47 Speaker 197: Those those studies, as as Becky
02:29:49 Speaker 197: indicated, have been reviewed, and and
02:29:51 Speaker 197: based on based on that review,
02:29:53 Speaker 197: staff felt comfortable to be able
02:29:56 Speaker 197: to recommend approval and support, recognizing
02:29:57 Speaker 197: as Scott indicated that there are
02:29:59 Speaker 197: other tools and mechanisms in order
02:30:01 Speaker 197: to deal with some those other
02:30:05 Speaker 197: concerns that have been expressed through.
02:30:07 Speaker 197: both the zoning bylaw as well
02:30:08 Speaker 197: as the site plan process. Okay.
02:30:10 Speaker 67: Did there is an error? Oh,
02:30:13 Speaker 67: there we go, Councillor McQueen. Thank
02:30:18 Speaker 67: you, Madam Warden. I'm just sort
02:30:20 Speaker 67: of following up on a point
02:30:22 Speaker 67: that was made by Councillor Eccles,
02:30:26 Speaker 67: in the sense of I think
02:30:27 Speaker 67: it was mentioned from the first
02:30:30 Speaker 249: presenter today that there was an
02:30:32 Speaker 250: accommodation site and. Site ten camping,
02:30:35 Speaker 250: I think, that was approved. Maybe
02:30:38 Speaker 61: a year and a half ago,
02:30:42 Speaker 61: was on a forty hectare, hundred
02:30:44 Speaker 61: acre parcel. There was there was
02:30:46 Speaker 61: some concerns around it. It was
02:30:48 Speaker 251: approved, but it's not an event.
02:30:50 Speaker 251: It's it's it was approved with
02:30:52 Speaker 251: it was a I think limited
02:30:53 Speaker 251: parking, limited space. It was accommodation
02:30:54 Speaker 251: for people to come and enjoy
02:31:04 Speaker 251: it, but not to be at
02:31:05 Speaker 251: an event or. or an event
02:31:06 Speaker 251: being hosted, I don't know if
02:31:22 Speaker 251: that adds clarity to what Council
02:31:23 Speaker 251: Eccles was mentioning, but it's sort
02:31:24 Speaker 251: of, yeah, there was it's not
02:31:25 Speaker 251: being generating noise. There was noise
02:31:32 Speaker 252: concerns when it was brought to
02:31:36 Speaker 252: to Council at that time, but
02:31:38 Speaker 252: it's on a larger piece of
02:31:43 Speaker 252: land. And anyway, at the time,
02:31:45 Speaker 252: Council did support that, but it's
02:31:49 Speaker 252: only for accommodation, not an event.
02:31:50 Speaker 252: Okay. Any other comments? Okay, I'm
02:31:53 Speaker 252: not seeing further hands. Madam Clerk,
02:31:56 Speaker 252: you wanted to address some wording
02:31:59 Speaker 252: in the motion. Yes, thank you,
02:32:01 Speaker 252: Madam Warden. Through you, just in
02:32:03 Speaker 253: a quick discussion with the Director
02:32:08 Speaker 253: of Planning, I'm just wondering about
02:32:10 Speaker 86: Council's indulgence to put forward an
02:32:12 Speaker 86: amendment to remove the wording and
02:32:13 Speaker 254: that staff be directed to prepare
02:32:20 Speaker 86: a bylaw for approval by County
02:32:24 Speaker 86: Council from the second. clause of
02:32:39 Speaker 86: the motion, just because, given my
02:32:40 Speaker 86: understanding in those discussions, that there
02:32:42 Speaker 86: will be a bylaw come forward
02:32:45 Speaker 86: regardless of how County Council votes
02:32:46 Speaker 86: on this matter, and then as
02:32:48 Speaker 86: that is the official mechanism to
02:32:49 Speaker 86: change the OPA. But I may
02:32:51 Speaker 255: look to to Director Taylor to
02:32:55 Speaker 255: correct any incorrect information I've conveyed
02:32:57 Speaker 255: there. Director Taylor. Thank you, Madam
02:32:59 Speaker 255: Warden. Through you, the clerk is
02:33:00 Speaker 255: 100 right. That's sort of standard
02:33:02 Speaker 86: wording in our official plan amendment
02:33:04 Speaker 86: recommendations. But regardless of whether or
02:33:05 Speaker 86: not council is supportive or not
02:33:07 Speaker 86: supportive, the bylaw still needs to
02:33:08 Speaker 86: come forward for that decision to
02:33:10 Speaker 86: be made. So we'll have presumably
02:33:12 Speaker 86: the vote here today. But then
02:33:14 Speaker 86: the bylaw would come forward to
02:33:15 Speaker 86: county council, and that's when it
02:33:17 Speaker 86: would officially be approved or refused
02:33:20 Speaker 256: or further deferred at that time.
03:37:15 Speaker 256: Okay. So with that clarification. then
03:37:16 Speaker 256: there is a request for an
03:37:18 Speaker 256: amendment to the main motion. Is
03:37:19 Speaker 256: there a mover for that, Councillor
03:37:21 Speaker 251: Hutchinson? Seconder, Councillor Dobrin. Okay, so
03:37:23 Speaker 251: it's moved and seconded as an
03:37:26 Speaker 251: amendment to the main motion, and
03:37:27 Speaker 251: it's there up on the screen.
03:37:30 Speaker 251: And that the motion be amended
03:37:31 Speaker 251: to remove the wording, and that
03:37:33 Speaker 251: staff be directed to prepare a
03:37:36 Speaker 251: bylaw to for approval by County
03:37:38 Speaker 251: Council. from the second clause. Okay.
03:37:40 Speaker 251: Any discussion on that amendment? All
03:37:42 Speaker 251: those in favour of the amendment,
03:37:45 Speaker 251: and that is carried. Okay. Thank
03:37:46 Speaker 251: you. So we'll give the clerk
03:37:47 Speaker 251: a chance to update the wording
03:37:50 Speaker 251: of the main motion, and if
03:37:51 Speaker 248: I don't see any further hands
03:37:56 Speaker 248: up in a moment, I will
03:37:57 Speaker 257: call that vote. And Madam. Clerk,
03:38:00 Speaker 257: if you can just make sure
03:38:02 Speaker 257: that that's right up on the
03:38:03 Speaker 257: screen, the whole motion. Okay. So,
03:38:04 Speaker 197: Madam Clerk, could you please read
03:38:08 Speaker 197: that out for us, just so
03:38:09 Speaker 197: we all know what we're voting
03:38:12 Speaker 197: on. So that report, PDRCW fifty
03:38:13 Speaker 197: two. For PDR CW 52-25 regarding
03:38:15 Speaker 197: OPA 22 Bcom Inc. be received
03:38:17 Speaker 197: and that official plan amendment 4208180
03:38:20 Speaker 197: OPA 22 Bcom Inc. also known
03:38:21 Speaker 197: as Highland Estate State, which proposes
03:38:24 Speaker 197: a site-specific exception to the rural
03:38:26 Speaker 197: designation to permit a special events
03:38:28 Speaker 197: venue on approximately 1.05 hectares of
03:38:32 Speaker 197: land, legally described as Part Lot
03:38:33 Speaker 197: 33 Concession 13 in the geographic
03:38:35 Speaker 197: township of Partemisia. Township of Artemisia,
03:38:37 Speaker 197: now in the municipality of Grey
03:38:39 Speaker 197: Highlands, be supported. Okay, thank you.
03:38:41 Speaker 197: So it's been discussed, it's been
03:38:42 Speaker 197: moved, it's been seconded. I'm going
03:38:44 Speaker 197: to call the vote now. All
03:38:45 Speaker 197: those in favour? Okay, Madam Clerk.
03:38:46 Speaker 197: Those opposed? Okay, and I can
03:38:48 Speaker 197: declare that this motion has failed.
03:38:51 Speaker 197: Okay, thank you very much, Miss
03:38:52 Speaker 197: Hillier, and also to Director Taylor
03:38:54 Speaker 197: for the extra information. And as
03:38:56 Speaker 197: as I will echo, as the
03:38:58 Speaker 197: comments have been, we have very
03:39:00 Speaker 197: much appreciated all the detail that
03:39:02 Speaker 197: has gone into this report. Thank
03:39:03 Speaker 197: you. Okay, so with that, now
03:39:05 Speaker 197: we are approaching twelve thirty, and
03:39:06 Speaker 258: we do have a heavy agenda.
03:39:09 Speaker 258: I am going to, and just
03:39:11 Speaker 251: in conjunction with lunch and some
03:39:16 Speaker 251: other obligations that will happen, what
03:39:19 Speaker 251: we will do is we will
03:39:21 Speaker 251: now break until 1:30, and then
03:39:24 Speaker 251: we will pick up the agenda
03:39:26 Speaker 251: and move on from there. So
03:39:28 Speaker 251: we will take a break, lunch,
03:39:31 Speaker 251: and anything else, and then we
03:39:33 Speaker 251: will be back here in the
03:39:36 Speaker 251: chamber at 1:30 to continue with
03:39:37 Speaker 251: the open portion of the agenda.
03:39:39 Speaker 251: Thank you. Okay, welcome back, Committee.
03:39:42 Speaker 251: The whole members, we are here
03:39:45 Speaker 259: picking up on our agenda items,
03:39:51 Speaker 259: and we had finished with. We
03:39:52 Speaker 74: had just before lunch, we had
03:39:56 Speaker 74: stopped after a motion for item
03:39:57 Speaker 74: seven a, but to clean up
03:40:01 Speaker 74: the business and be able to
03:40:10 Speaker 260: provide the direction, there is Madam
03:40:12 Speaker 260: Clerk. Do you want to? Have
03:40:15 Speaker 260: you got that up on? There
03:40:17 Speaker 260: you go. Okay. the clerk has
03:40:20 Speaker 260: advised in terms of process, and
03:40:21 Speaker 260: I'll look to Director Taylor just
03:40:24 Speaker 260: to to give some background to
03:40:26 Speaker 260: this. We do have a recommended
03:40:28 Speaker 260: motion that we should do in
03:40:32 Speaker 260: order to be able to tie
03:40:33 Speaker 260: up what what it was that
03:40:34 Speaker 260: we discussed, and so I'll go
03:40:36 Speaker 260: over to Director Taylor. Thank you,
03:40:38 Speaker 260: Madam Warden, and and through you,
03:40:39 Speaker 260: I'll try to keep this brief.
03:40:41 Speaker 260: We we've done some discussions and
03:40:43 Speaker 260: some research over the lunch hour.
03:40:44 Speaker 260: We don't. luckily, at the county,
03:40:45 Speaker 260: deal with many refusals of official
03:40:46 Speaker 260: plan amendments. And and the question
03:40:49 Speaker 260: was put to us, raised by
03:40:52 Speaker 261: the CAO, does the bylaw at
03:40:56 Speaker 261: council need to be refused, or
03:40:58 Speaker 261: can we simply pass, or can
03:41:04 Speaker 261: council simply pass a motion here
03:41:04 Speaker 261: today, stating council's intent to refuse?
03:41:06 Speaker 261: And when those minutes get ratified
03:41:07 Speaker 197: by county council on September the
03:41:10 Speaker 197: 11th, that's when that refusal would
03:41:11 Speaker 197: happen, if that's council's wish. The
03:41:13 Speaker 197: challenge with with the way we
03:41:14 Speaker 197: left it after lunch is we
03:41:16 Speaker 197: simply have a a lost motion
03:41:17 Speaker 197: for support. And I think as
03:41:18 Speaker 197: staff, you know, we we can
03:41:20 Speaker 197: read the room and and we
03:41:21 Speaker 197: understand. I think where council's direction
03:41:22 Speaker 197: is, but formally in the minutes.
03:41:24 Speaker 197: And if this were to get
03:41:25 Speaker 197: appealed or a non decision were
03:41:27 Speaker 197: to be appealed, I don't think
03:41:30 Speaker 197: that's crystal clear. So with council's
03:41:32 Speaker 197: indulgence and and thanks to the
03:41:33 Speaker 197: the speedy work of the clerks,
03:41:35 Speaker 197: they put together a further motion,
03:41:38 Speaker 197: just noting that the official plan
03:41:41 Speaker 197: amendment would be would be refused.
03:41:43 Speaker 197: We wouldn't bring. the bylaw forward
03:41:45 Speaker 197: to council, and then simply if
03:41:47 Speaker 197: council passes the minutes on September
03:41:49 Speaker 262: 11th, and that's when the notice
03:41:54 Speaker 263: of decision would go out. Okay,
03:41:59 Speaker 263: thank you for that background. So
03:42:00 Speaker 74: it's recommended that official plan amendment
03:42:03 Speaker 74: 4208180 OPA 22 OPA 22 ViaCom
03:42:04 Speaker 74: Inc., also known as Highland Estate,
03:42:06 Speaker 74: which proposes a site-specific exception to
03:42:11 Speaker 74: the rural designation to permit a
03:42:13 Speaker 74: special events venue on the on
03:42:16 Speaker 264: approximately 1. On approximately 1.05 hectares
03:42:20 Speaker 265: of lands legally described as Part
03:42:27 Speaker 265: Lot 33, Concession 13, in the
03:42:28 Speaker 197: geographic township of Artemisia, now in
03:42:31 Speaker 197: the municipality of Grey Highlands, be
03:42:32 Speaker 197: refused. May I ask for a
03:42:34 Speaker 197: mover? Moved by Councillor Nielsen, seconded
03:42:36 Speaker 197: by Councillor Gregg. Any discussion? Yes,
03:42:37 Speaker 197: Councillor Eccles. So, how is this
03:42:39 Speaker 197: different from the motion that we
03:42:40 Speaker 197: just turned down? And if that's
03:42:41 Speaker 197: the case. and partly in procedure,
03:42:46 Speaker 197: should we not bring that last
03:42:48 Speaker 197: one back? So the last one,
03:42:50 Speaker 197: we didn't actually execute an action;
03:42:52 Speaker 197: we just simply voted down an
03:42:54 Speaker 197: action. So the recommended motion was
03:42:57 Speaker 197: to support; we voted that down.
03:42:59 Speaker 197: So in order to be able
03:43:00 Speaker 197: to affirm an action that goes
03:43:02 Speaker 197: with that. The this one is
03:43:05 Speaker 197: the same except it now says
03:43:06 Speaker 197: be refused. And as Director Taylor
03:43:09 Speaker 197: said, that would put it into
03:43:12 Speaker 197: the minutes, thus, so that when
03:43:15 Speaker 197: we get to council two weeks
03:43:17 Speaker 197: from or at our next council
03:43:18 Speaker 197: meeting, there would be no bylaw,
03:43:20 Speaker 197: and this would be in. But
03:43:22 Speaker 197: if this were to pass, if
03:43:24 Speaker 197: this were to be moved, seconded,
03:43:27 Speaker 197: and passed, well, it's already moved
03:43:29 Speaker 197: and seconded. If this were to
03:43:31 Speaker 197: pass, then that would provide clear
03:43:32 Speaker 197: direction, as opposed to non decision.
03:43:34 Speaker 197: does, and I'll look to staff
03:43:35 Speaker 197: if if they can provide any
03:43:37 Speaker 197: further clarification, Director Taylor. Thank you,
03:43:38 Speaker 197: Madam Warden. I think you've done
03:43:39 Speaker 266: a great job explaining it. The
03:43:41 Speaker 267: one sort of further nuance here,
03:43:44 Speaker 267: just for council's consideration, when we
03:43:47 Speaker 268: talk about appeal rights to the
03:43:49 Speaker 268: Ontario Land Tribunal, basically there's three
03:43:52 Speaker 268: types of appeals: there's the appeal
03:43:53 Speaker 268: of an approval, the appeal of
03:43:57 Speaker 268: a refusal, or the appeal of
03:43:59 Speaker 268: a non decision. So in theory,
03:44:03 Speaker 268: and I certainly don't want to
03:44:04 Speaker 268: speculate too far or wish to
03:44:08 Speaker 268: speak on behalf of the applicant.
03:44:11 Speaker 268: Wish to speak on behalf the
03:44:14 Speaker 268: applicant. After today, if they wished,
03:44:16 Speaker 268: if they didn't want to wait
03:44:18 Speaker 268: for this matter to come forward
03:44:20 Speaker 268: on September 11th, they may consider
03:44:23 Speaker 268: appealing a non decision of County
03:44:26 Speaker 268: Council on the County Official Plan
03:44:28 Speaker 268: Amendment. And so, if that were
03:44:32 Speaker 269: to happen, this motion makes it
03:44:38 Speaker 270: clear on what County Council's direction
03:44:43 Speaker 270: was, even if they hadn't formally
03:44:45 Speaker 270: executed that yet, because it's County
03:44:47 Speaker 270: Council that's the approval body or
03:44:48 Speaker 270: refusal body for official plan amendments
03:44:49 Speaker 270: in that regard. any follow-up council
03:44:51 Speaker 270: circles? So we amended the first
03:44:53 Speaker 270: motion to take out the bylaw
03:44:55 Speaker 74: because that, at that point in
03:44:59 Speaker 74: time, when the understanding was, it
03:45:03 Speaker 74: absolutely had to come back as
03:45:06 Speaker 271: a bylaw for September the 11th.
03:45:10 Speaker 272: Now we're putting this motion through
03:45:14 Speaker 272: to say we're refusing it, so
03:45:15 Speaker 272: that the bylaw. Doesn't have to
03:45:16 Speaker 273: come here, Director Taylor. Yeah, through
03:45:19 Speaker 274: you, Madam Warden. That's on me,
03:45:23 Speaker 274: Councillor Eccles. I was messaging back
03:45:24 Speaker 274: and forth with the clerk. My
03:45:26 Speaker 274: my initial read of it was
03:45:27 Speaker 274: that that the bylaw did need
03:45:29 Speaker 274: to come back to County Council
03:45:31 Speaker 10: for a formal decision. In doing
03:45:34 Speaker 10: some further research over the lunch
03:45:36 Speaker 03: hour and looking at some other
03:45:50 Speaker 03: municipal approaches, there it appears another
03:45:51 Speaker 03: option is that the the motion
03:45:52 Speaker 03: be passed for refusal, and then
03:45:53 Speaker 03: that motion be be passed with
03:45:55 Speaker 275: the minutes, rather than having to
03:45:57 Speaker 275: have that formal bylaw come forward.
03:45:59 Speaker 275: So I believe both are options.
03:46:02 Speaker 275: Council could vote down the bylaw
03:46:04 Speaker 275: on September the 11th, or we
03:46:06 Speaker 275: could have this motion here today.
03:46:07 Speaker 275: Staff just felt in in discussion
03:46:08 Speaker 275: with the CEO and the clerk
03:46:10 Speaker 275: that this provided clear direction, sort
03:46:12 Speaker 276: of in that interim period up
03:46:15 Speaker 277: until September 11th. The other thing
03:46:17 Speaker 278: that that staff noted. The other
03:46:20 Speaker 278: thing that staff noted is normally
03:46:21 Speaker 278: when we're dealing with the county
03:46:27 Speaker 278: council session at the beginning of
03:46:29 Speaker 278: our day, there can be bylaws
03:46:32 Speaker 278: grouped together. And so, if we
03:46:34 Speaker 278: were looking at refusal, then council
03:46:35 Speaker 278: might need to separate, say, the
03:46:39 Speaker 278: confirming bylaw from this bylaw or
03:46:41 Speaker 278: any other bylaws that stem out
03:46:43 Speaker 278: of today's meeting. So we just
03:46:45 Speaker 278: felt that this was perhaps a
03:46:47 Speaker 278: cleaner option, but certainly at the
03:46:49 Speaker 278: disposal of council as to how
03:46:52 Speaker 278: they wish to deal with this
03:46:54 Speaker 278: one. We'll go to the CAO
03:46:57 Speaker 278: and just further discuss comments and.
03:47:00 Speaker 278: I think he noted earlier we
03:47:02 Speaker 278: don't often deal with refusals of
03:47:05 Speaker 278: OPA. So, just based on further
03:47:08 Speaker 278: research, we think this is the
03:47:09 Speaker 278: cleanest approach in terms of formalizing
03:47:13 Speaker 278: direction from the committee. The whole
03:47:15 Speaker 278: in terms of whether or not
03:47:18 Speaker 278: this committee whole wants to
03:47:21 Speaker 279: refuse this OPA. Again, we can
03:47:26 Speaker 278: we can assume that the the
03:47:29 Speaker 278: not supporting the the last. motion
03:47:32 Speaker 278: is is is similar to that
03:47:35 Speaker 278: direction, but this is clarifies that
03:47:37 Speaker 278: absolute direction, and it relates back
03:47:39 Speaker 278: to what Director Taylor indicated with
03:47:42 Speaker 278: respect to the options available to
03:47:43 Speaker 278: committee and eventually council when they
03:47:46 Speaker 278: when they ratify this to to
03:47:47 Speaker 278: either refuse, approve, or approve with
03:47:49 Speaker 280: modifications. Okay, thank you. That's good.
03:47:52 Speaker 280: Kill circles. I wish I would
03:47:54 Speaker 280: have had this option beforehand. I'll
03:47:56 Speaker 278: just put it in. It would
03:47:58 Speaker 278: certainly change how I voted on
03:48:00 Speaker 278: the last one because I was
03:48:04 Speaker 278: looking forward to seeing that bylaw
03:48:06 Speaker 278: come forward, and that was the
03:48:09 Speaker 278: position that we would make our
03:48:10 Speaker 278: final and direct comments on and
03:48:12 Speaker 278: vote on. Now we're here with
03:48:13 Speaker 278: this, so yep. Let's go forward.
03:48:15 Speaker 278: Okay. Thank you. Are there any
03:48:18 Speaker 278: other? comments? Okay, it's been moved
03:48:19 Speaker 278: and seconded and read out. Then
03:48:22 Speaker 278: I'll call the vote. All those
03:48:23 Speaker 278: in favour, and that motion is
03:48:25 Speaker 278: carried. Thank you. Okay, so that
03:48:29 Speaker 278: allows us to move on
03:48:31 Speaker 278: to item seven B, and for
03:48:33 Speaker 278: that, do we have Ms. Johnson?
03:48:36 Speaker 278: Yes, we do. Here she comes.
03:48:41 Speaker 278: Welcome, Ms. Johnson, as our trails
03:48:42 Speaker 278: and forestry coordinator, to speak about
03:48:45 Speaker 278: the parking, pay parking options for
03:48:47 Speaker 278: rail trails. Welcome. Sorry, just before
03:48:48 Speaker 278: you begin, let me just get
03:48:49 Speaker 278: a motion on the floor for
03:48:51 Speaker 278: you while you get yourself set
03:48:53 Speaker 278: up there. So it is recommended
03:48:54 Speaker 278: that Report PDR CW forty four
03:48:56 Speaker 278: twenty five be received, and that
03:48:58 Speaker 278: no paid parking system for county-owned
03:49:00 Speaker 278: parking lots along the rail trail
03:49:04 Speaker 278: and county forest be implemented at
03:49:05 Speaker 281: this time. Is there a mover
03:49:08 Speaker 278: for that? Moved by the deputy
03:49:11 Speaker 278: warden, seconded by Councillor Eccles. It's
03:49:13 Speaker 278: now on the floor for discussion.
03:49:14 Speaker 278: Welcome. The floor is yours. Thank
03:49:16 Speaker 278: you, Warden. Good afternoon, Council. So
03:49:18 Speaker 278: I have the opportunity this afternoon
03:49:21 Speaker 278: to talk to you about paid
03:49:22 Speaker 278: parking options. Very riveting conversation. Just
03:49:25 Speaker 278: for a little bit of background,
03:49:26 Speaker 278: as Council will remember, in March
03:49:32 Speaker 278: earlier this year, staff were directed
03:49:34 Speaker 278: to bring back a report containing.
03:49:36 Speaker 278: options for parking revenue options along
03:49:37 Speaker 278: Gray County rail trail systems. So
03:49:41 Speaker 278: Gray County has forty-five forest properties
03:49:43 Speaker 282: as well as seventy-seven kilometres of
03:49:47 Speaker 278: trail that are spread across almost
03:49:50 Speaker 278: all of the municipalities, saving except
03:49:51 Speaker 278: for Hanover. And relative to the
03:49:53 Speaker 278: volume of these recreational problem or
03:49:56 Speaker 278: properties, there are not many county-owned
03:49:58 Speaker 278: parking areas that serve them. As
03:50:01 Speaker 278: we noted in the winter months
03:50:03 Speaker 278: this past season. the cost to
03:50:05 Speaker 278: maintain these parking areas is particularly
03:50:07 Speaker 278: high, and it can range anywhere
03:50:10 Speaker 278: from twenty to twenty-five thousand dollars
03:50:12 Speaker 278: in in any given year. So,
03:50:14 Speaker 278: we were asked to look at
03:50:16 Speaker 278: options regarding increased revenue, including paid
03:50:18 Speaker 278: parking. So, for the purposes of
03:50:20 Speaker 278: this staff report, we evaluated only
03:50:22 Speaker 278: properties that had what were established
03:50:28 Speaker 278: parking areas. and the qualifiers for
03:50:29 Speaker 278: what as what what an established
03:50:31 Speaker 278: parking area was that it wasn't
03:50:33 Speaker 278: simply roadside parking, it wasn't simply
03:50:34 Speaker 278: an entrance where you could pull
03:50:37 Speaker 278: in, and it wasn't the space
03:50:39 Speaker 278: had to accommodate more than two
03:50:40 Speaker 278: vehicles and that the property was
03:50:41 Speaker 278: owned and maintained by the county.
03:50:43 Speaker 278: So, out of all of the
03:50:45 Speaker 278: forest properties, there were four that
03:50:47 Speaker 278: were identified as meeting that criteria,
03:50:49 Speaker 278: and then along the rail trail,
03:50:51 Speaker 278: there was also. two. So within
03:50:52 Speaker 278: our Gray County forest properties, that
03:50:54 Speaker 278: included Harkway, Lily Oak, Camp Oliver,
03:50:56 Speaker 278: and Calapoor, and then along the
03:50:58 Speaker 278: rail trail, there was the newly
03:51:00 Speaker 278: established lot that was built in
03:51:05 Speaker 278: 2023 at Gray Road 18 in
03:51:06 Speaker 278: Rockford, and then the Markdale lot,
03:51:08 Speaker 278: which is right off Gray Road
03:51:11 Speaker 278: 12 or Main Street. I also
03:51:12 Speaker 278: want to acknowledge that there are
03:51:15 Speaker 278: a number of non-county-owned properties that
03:51:17 Speaker 278: help facilitate park. Or sorry, non-county.
03:51:20 Speaker 278: Sorry, non-county-owned properties that also help
03:51:24 Speaker 278: facilitate parking in some of these
03:51:26 Speaker 278: areas, as well as municipal lots
03:51:29 Speaker 278: and and organisations that participate. But
03:51:32 Speaker 278: for the purposes of this report,
03:51:33 Speaker 278: we were only going to be
03:51:36 Speaker 278: dealing with these six here. Now,
03:51:40 Speaker 278: in light of the fact that
03:51:42 Speaker 278: we've got a really big agenda
03:51:44 Speaker 278: today and we've already had a
03:51:45 Speaker 278: long morning, I'm not going to
03:51:47 Speaker 278: and that I wrote a really
03:51:51 Speaker 278: epic report for you. I'm not
03:51:53 Speaker 278: going to go into any great
03:51:54 Speaker 278: detail in. reviewing each of these
03:51:56 Speaker 278: parking lots one by one, but
03:51:58 Speaker 278: I do simply want to highlight
03:51:59 Speaker 278: the fact that the analysis of
03:52:02 Speaker 278: those these lots in particular established
03:52:04 Speaker 278: that if we were to move
03:52:06 Speaker 278: forward with a paid parking system,
03:52:07 Speaker 278: only really three of them should
03:52:10 Speaker 283: be considered, and those would be
03:52:14 Speaker 283: Calipor, Rockford, and Markdale. And this
03:52:17 Speaker 278: was for the rationale that they
03:52:20 Speaker 278: had a certain level of maintenance
03:52:21 Speaker 278: and they were known to have
03:52:23 Speaker 278: a higher. use, Markdale, Markdale, and
03:52:26 Speaker 278: Calipor in particular are have been
03:52:30 Speaker 278: maintained in the past in winter
03:52:31 Speaker 278: months, and then again, Rockford was
03:52:33 Speaker 278: just recently constructed in 2023, but
03:52:35 Speaker 278: it has not to date been
03:52:37 Speaker 278: maintained in the winter months. So,
03:52:40 Speaker 278: jumping ahead in my report, I
03:52:43 Speaker 278: we wanted to look at comparators
03:52:44 Speaker 278: that were in within our area.
03:52:48 Speaker 278: Staff reached out to neighbouring. counties,
03:52:51 Speaker 278: our lower tiers, and the CAs
03:52:53 Speaker 278: that have properties within our boundaries.
03:52:54 Speaker 278: None of our neighbouring counties, and
03:52:57 Speaker 278: that included Bruce Simco and Dufferin,
03:53:01 Speaker 278: had paid parking programmemes for
03:53:04 Speaker 278: any of their recreational properties. Of
03:53:05 Speaker 278: the lower tiers within Gray, Blue
03:53:07 Speaker 278: Mountains, Meaford, and On Sound, all
03:53:09 Speaker 278: had some sort of payment parking
03:53:12 Speaker 278: related to recreational areas. And then
03:53:14 Speaker 278: all three of the CAs that
03:53:16 Speaker 278: have properties within Gray County had
03:53:17 Speaker 278: some sort of payment programme in
03:53:21 Speaker 278: place. So I just want to
03:53:22 Speaker 278: have a little caveat here. I
03:53:25 Speaker 278: do highlight a number of different
03:53:28 Speaker 278: apps that these organisations in the
03:53:29 Speaker 278: next couple of slides use for
03:53:31 Speaker 278: payment. I'm by no means an
03:53:34 Speaker 278: expert on any of these, but
03:53:35 Speaker 278: simply that they are the vessel
03:53:37 Speaker 278: that they they use to collect
03:53:39 Speaker 278: payment and issue receipts. Within my
03:53:41 Speaker 278: report, there is some values that
03:53:43 Speaker 278: have been provided regarding certain apps,
03:53:48 Speaker 278: but for this analysis, I'm not
03:53:51 Speaker 278: going to go into any great
03:53:53 Speaker 278: level of detail. just simply what
03:53:54 Speaker 278: app they use. So for the
03:53:56 Speaker 278: town of the Blue Mountains, they
03:53:57 Speaker 284: have a parking programme in place
03:54:03 Speaker 278: for non-residents. It is it is
03:54:06 Speaker 278: not for all lots, and not
03:54:07 Speaker 278: all lots are the same rate.
03:54:09 Speaker 278: For example, I believe their waterfront
03:54:10 Speaker 278: lot or properties or that are
03:54:13 Speaker 278: used for access to waterfront properties
03:54:15 Speaker 285: are more than what an in-town
03:54:18 Speaker 285: lot may cost. They use what's
03:54:20 Speaker 285: called the Honk mobile app. and
03:54:21 Speaker 278: yeah, I think that's all for
03:54:25 Speaker 278: Blue Mountains. The municipality of Meaford
03:54:27 Speaker 278: also uses Honk, and it's used
03:54:29 Speaker 286: at Memorial Park only, and it
03:54:35 Speaker 286: is for non-residents as well. It
03:54:36 Speaker 278: is in effect from May first
03:54:38 Speaker 278: to October thirty first. The city
03:54:40 Speaker 278: of Owen Sound a little bit
03:54:42 Speaker 278: different, but they have camping at
03:54:44 Speaker 278: both Harrison Park and Castle Beach
03:54:47 Speaker 278: Park at certain times of the
03:54:49 Speaker 278: year. They require bookings, and
03:54:54 Speaker 278: those bookings would allow for the
03:54:56 Speaker 278: camping as well as parking associated
03:54:59 Speaker 278: with that. And then they also
03:55:00 Speaker 278: have free parking spots for visitors
03:55:02 Speaker 278: and day users at those
03:55:04 Speaker 278: properties as well. Also, we've learned
03:55:06 Speaker 278: that in twenty twenty five there
03:55:09 Speaker 278: will be a paid parking pass
03:55:10 Speaker 278: for the fishing derby, so it'll
03:55:13 Speaker 278: be interesting to hear how that
03:55:15 Speaker 278: turns out this year. For the
03:55:17 Speaker 278: conservation authorities, they seem to have
03:55:19 Speaker 278: had a. lot, or this programmemes
03:55:22 Speaker 278: in effect for a little bit
03:55:26 Speaker 278: longer. For example, Grace Sauble has
03:55:28 Speaker 287: had some sort of paid programme,
03:55:31 Speaker 287: parking programme in place since 2012.
03:55:33 Speaker 287: Each of the three municipalities that
03:55:35 Speaker 278: we spoke with all started with
03:55:38 Speaker 278: a company called McKay Pay, and
03:55:41 Speaker 278: then once that company closed, they
03:55:43 Speaker 278: have all adopted slightly different models.
03:55:44 Speaker 278: Grace Sauble has had paid parking
03:55:46 Speaker 278: at has paid parking at many
03:55:48 Speaker 278: of its properties. some of
03:55:50 Speaker 278: which have staff members at peak
03:55:52 Speaker 278: times. They have gates and booths,
03:55:55 Speaker 278: and some are not manned at
03:55:57 Speaker 278: all, and they just use QR
03:56:00 Speaker 278: codes. They use Square, and then
03:56:02 Speaker 278: we also additionally asked each conservation
03:56:05 Speaker 278: authority if they did any winter
03:56:06 Speaker 278: maintenance at these lots. And so,
03:56:08 Speaker 278: Gray Sable indicated that they do
03:56:10 Speaker 278: winter maintenance at their administration building
03:56:13 Speaker 288: as well as Ingles Falls, and
03:56:17 Speaker 288: then they have. partnerships with clubs
03:56:20 Speaker 288: and organisations for a few of
03:56:22 Speaker 288: their other properties. Zogean Valley doesn't
03:56:24 Speaker 288: have a paid parking programme, but
03:56:25 Speaker 289: they have started a programme called
03:56:30 Speaker 289: like a membership programme. I believe
03:56:31 Speaker 289: this was so that there wasn't
03:56:32 Speaker 289: an expectation of a level of
03:56:33 Speaker 290: service that for parking areas. They
03:56:39 Speaker 290: do not use an app; they
03:56:41 Speaker 290: simply have QR codes that would
03:56:42 Speaker 290: then direct an individual right directly
03:56:58 Speaker 224: to their website to pay. And
03:57:01 Speaker 224: in the winter months, they maintain.
03:57:02 Speaker 224: three of their parking areas. NVCA
03:57:04 Speaker 224: charges for parking at their conservation
03:57:07 Speaker 224: parking lots. They use the Hot
03:57:08 Speaker 224: Spot app, and in the winter
03:57:10 Speaker 224: months, maintain two of their parking
03:57:12 Speaker 224: lots and have one plowed by
03:57:16 Speaker 224: a contractor. So, in addition to
03:57:17 Speaker 224: the comparators, staff also reached out
03:57:21 Speaker 224: to the health unit regarding the
03:57:23 Speaker 224: impacts of introducing a paid parking
03:57:26 Speaker 224: programme as it relates to equity
03:57:29 Speaker 224: and health. They did provide comments
03:57:32 Speaker 224: that it would it could introduce
03:57:34 Speaker 224: a barrier for some some users.
03:57:36 Speaker 224: And in addition to this, they
03:57:38 Speaker 224: provided a comment indicating that there
03:57:40 Speaker 224: was supporting evidence that allowing equal
03:57:43 Speaker 224: access, i.e., not paid parking, to
03:57:45 Speaker 224: green spaces can be a cost
03:57:48 Speaker 224: saving to the overall healthcare system.
03:57:50 Speaker 224: So, based on what we know
03:57:52 Speaker 224: about the comparators, which is kind
03:57:54 Speaker 224: of difficult to call them comparators
03:57:56 Speaker 224: because they aren't direct comparators with
03:57:58 Speaker 224: the county, knowing that we offer
03:58:00 Speaker 224: very different things. Most of the
03:58:03 Speaker 224: comparators that we have, I've noted
03:58:06 Speaker 224: here, have considerably different amenities available
03:58:10 Speaker 224: as well as features. Staff are
03:58:12 Speaker 224: of the also, as I noted,
03:58:16 Speaker 224: are of the opinion that there
03:58:17 Speaker 224: are only certain lots; those three
03:58:20 Speaker 224: highlighted before: Calapoor, Markdale, and Rockford,
03:58:22 Speaker 224: that should be considered as part
03:58:24 Speaker 291: of a paid parking programme. Should
03:58:28 Speaker 292: have thought about that before I
03:58:32 Speaker 292: started. It's the tongue twister. So
03:58:34 Speaker 292: what we need to consider is
03:58:37 Speaker 292: staff would also need direction on
03:58:39 Speaker 292: whether or not the programme would
03:58:42 Speaker 292: be for visitors or all users.
03:58:45 Speaker 292: So residents versus non-residents. Would parking
03:58:48 Speaker 292: programmemes be for the entire year
03:58:51 Speaker 292: or only certain months? What would
03:58:54 Speaker 292: the impact to staff be to
03:58:58 Speaker 292: implement, monitor, and enforce a programme
03:59:00 Speaker 292: like this? and would the programme
03:59:03 Speaker 292: sustain itself or provide meaningful revenue
03:59:05 Speaker 292: at this time? Staff are of
03:59:06 Speaker 292: the opinion that, based on the
03:59:09 Speaker 292: research provided in the in this
03:59:11 Speaker 292: report, that there are not sufficient
03:59:14 Speaker 292: amenities, natural features, and estimate an
03:59:15 Speaker 292: estimated tourism traffic to justify implementation
03:59:17 Speaker 292: of a paid parking programme at
03:59:20 Speaker 292: this time. Within the report, there
03:59:23 Speaker 292: was also discussion regarding other options
03:59:26 Speaker 292: for parking revenue, which included a
03:59:28 Speaker 292: membership programme like SVCA or a
03:59:29 Speaker 292: voluntary. pay what you can programme,
03:59:32 Speaker 292: however, for similar reasons related to
03:59:35 Speaker 292: the research completed for paid parking,
03:59:37 Speaker 292: staff are not recommending these alternative
03:59:39 Speaker 292: options either. So, in conclusion, the
03:59:42 Speaker 292: recommendation is that this report be
03:59:46 Speaker 292: received and that no paid parking
03:59:49 Speaker 292: system be implemented at this time.
03:59:50 Speaker 292: And I'm happy to take any
03:59:52 Speaker 292: questions. Okay, thank you very much.
03:59:54 Speaker 292: And so, for that, I will
03:59:58 Speaker 292: put it out to committee. The
04:00:00 Speaker 293: whole members for questions. regarding the
04:00:03 Speaker 293: report. Not seeing any hands go
04:00:04 Speaker 294: up. And Madam Clerk, can I
04:00:06 Speaker 295: just confirm no hands up virtually
04:00:10 Speaker 296: as well? Okay, no hands virtually
04:00:14 Speaker 297: as well. So with that, then
04:00:17 Speaker 297: because of all the. the epic
04:00:18 Speaker 297: details that you put in your
04:00:19 Speaker 297: report, looks like we're ready to
04:00:20 Speaker 297: call the question. So I'll ask
04:00:23 Speaker 297: all those in favour, and that
04:00:24 Speaker 297: motion is carried. Thank you very
04:00:25 Speaker 297: much. Okay, so we'll now move
04:00:26 Speaker 297: on to Director Shaw, who will
04:00:28 Speaker 298: be introducing item seven C. I'll
04:00:31 Speaker 298: look for a recommendation that report
04:00:32 Speaker 10: CSR CW twelve twenty five regarding
04:00:35 Speaker 10: affordable housing funding for Lutheran Social
04:00:37 Speaker 10: Services affordable. housing to be a
04:00:39 Speaker 10: build be received and that Gray
04:00:42 Speaker 10: County enter into an agreement with
04:00:44 Speaker 10: Luther Lutheran Social Services Owensound Inc
04:00:47 Speaker 10: for one point six million dollars
04:00:49 Speaker 10: in affordable housing funds for forty
04:00:51 Speaker 10: units of affordable and market housing
04:00:53 Speaker 10: and that upon occupancy Gray County
04:00:55 Speaker 10: enter into an agreement for the
04:00:58 Speaker 10: operating funds a total of one
04:01:00 Speaker 10: point four million to be dispersed
04:01:03 Speaker 10: quarterly from the county for the
04:01:05 Speaker 10: next twenty years and that the
04:01:07 Speaker 10: funding letter. be signed prior to
04:01:09 Speaker 10: county council approval in accordance with
04:01:12 Speaker 10: subsection 26.6B of the procedural bylaw
04:01:14 Speaker 10: 513422, and a bylaw be prepared
04:01:16 Speaker 10: authorising the agreements. But the agreements
04:01:20 Speaker 10: for council's consideration. May I ask
04:01:22 Speaker 10: for a mover? Okay, moved by
04:01:26 Speaker 10: Councillor Body, and seconded by Councillor
04:01:27 Speaker 10: Hutchinson. It's now on the floor
04:01:29 Speaker 10: for discussion. Welcome, Director Shaw. Thank
04:01:30 Speaker 10: you. Through you. Gordon. So good
04:01:33 Speaker 299: news. Lutheran Social Services of Owen
04:01:36 Speaker 299: Sound—they're a nonprofit housing provider in
04:01:39 Speaker 299: Owen Sound. They've been providing affordable
04:01:40 Speaker 299: housing for over 30 years, and
04:01:41 Speaker 299: their their board of directors put
04:01:43 Speaker 300: forth a proposal back in February
04:01:45 Speaker 300: of 2023 to develop 40 affordable
04:01:47 Speaker 300: and market units for seniors'
04:01:49 Speaker 301: housing in Owen Sound. They have
04:01:52 Speaker 301: been successful in obtaining. funding through
04:01:53 Speaker 301: the Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corporation
04:01:55 Speaker 301: Affordable Housing Programme, so now they
04:01:57 Speaker 301: are looking to us for the
04:01:59 Speaker 301: funding that we proposed to give
04:02:01 Speaker 302: to them back in in 2023.
04:02:03 Speaker 302: That's 1.6 million dollars in capital
04:02:06 Speaker 302: funding, and then upon occupancy, we
04:02:07 Speaker 302: would look at entering into an
04:02:09 Speaker 302: agreement with them for some operating
04:02:11 Speaker 302: funds to ensure that the project
04:02:13 Speaker 302: maintains its affordability. They are looking
04:02:15 Speaker 302: at 35 one bedrooms. and five
04:02:16 Speaker 302: two bedrooms, and 30 of the
04:02:18 Speaker 303: 40 units are going to be
04:02:21 Speaker 304: accessible, physically accessible, which is great
04:02:24 Speaker 304: for for the clientele. So I'm
04:02:26 Speaker 304: looking for permission to go ahead
04:02:28 Speaker 304: and enter into the agreement of
04:02:29 Speaker 304: 1.6 million. The Canadian Mortgage and
04:02:31 Speaker 304: Housing Corporation requires our agreement in
04:02:32 Speaker 304: order to finalize their funding. We
04:02:35 Speaker 304: will put into our agreement that
04:02:36 Speaker 304: we won't be forwarding any of
04:02:38 Speaker 304: the funds, the actual funds, until.
04:02:40 Speaker 304: they've received official notice of their
04:02:43 Speaker 304: funding from CMHC, and I'm happy
04:02:46 Speaker 304: to answer any questions. Okay, thank
04:02:48 Speaker 304: you. So with that, I'll put
04:02:50 Speaker 304: it out for questions from committee.
04:02:51 Speaker 304: The call numbers. Looking around the
04:02:54 Speaker 305: room, not seeing any hands nor
04:02:56 Speaker 305: online. Well, it appears another EFIC
04:02:58 Speaker 305: report has provided us with the
04:03:00 Speaker 305: details. So it looks like we're
04:03:02 Speaker 305: ready to call the question. Then,
04:03:04 Speaker 305: all those in favour? that motion
04:03:06 Speaker 305: is carried. Thank you very much,
04:03:08 Speaker 305: Director Shaw. And I guess you
04:03:09 Speaker 305: won't be going far. You'll be
04:03:11 Speaker 305: coming back up for another one
04:03:13 Speaker 305: shortly. Okay. So that allows us
04:03:15 Speaker 306: to move on to item seven
04:03:17 Speaker 306: D, and this is CSRCW twenty
04:03:19 Speaker 306: six twenty five. So it's recommended
04:03:20 Speaker 306: that report CSRCW twenty six twenty
04:03:22 Speaker 306: five regarding transitions to permanent housing
04:03:24 Speaker 306: pilot project be received, and that
04:03:25 Speaker 306: the warden and clerk clerk signing,
04:03:28 Speaker 306: and that the warden and clerk
04:03:30 Speaker 306: signing the funding agreement. for three
04:03:31 Speaker 306: hundred sixty-two thousand four hundred twenty
04:03:33 Speaker 306: between the Canadian Alliance to End
04:03:34 Speaker 306: Homelessness Homelessness Reduction Innovation Fund and
04:03:36 Speaker 306: the Corporation of the County of
04:03:37 Speaker 306: Grey in the form substantially provided
04:03:39 Speaker 306: in this report, and that the
04:03:40 Speaker 306: funding of three hundred sixty-two thousand
04:03:42 Speaker 306: four hundred twenty be approved for
04:03:44 Speaker 306: use in twenty twenty-five twenty-six, and
04:03:46 Speaker 306: that the agreement be signed prior
04:03:47 Speaker 306: to County Council approval in accordance
04:03:49 Speaker 306: with with Section twenty-six point. 26.6b
04:03:50 Speaker 306: of the procedural bylaw, according to
04:03:53 Speaker 92: the procedural bylaw 5134-22. May I
04:03:57 Speaker 307: ask for a mover and a
04:04:00 Speaker 308: second? Moved by Councillor Mackie, seconded
04:04:03 Speaker 308: by the Deputy Warden. It's now
04:04:05 Speaker 308: on the floor for discussion. Welcome,
04:04:06 Speaker 309: Mr. Gibson. Thank you, Warden, and
04:04:09 Speaker 309: members of Grey County Council. So
04:04:11 Speaker 309: today, I bring to you what
04:04:15 Speaker 309: I hope you'll join me in
04:04:17 Speaker 310: accepting as a good news story.
04:04:19 Speaker 310: Recently, we received an opportunity to
04:04:25 Speaker 310: apply for some project funding through
04:04:28 Speaker 311: the Canadian. Alliance Ten Homelessness. Their
04:04:30 Speaker 311: specific programme was you had to
04:04:32 Speaker 306: apply for one of two things.
04:04:36 Speaker 306: They were looking at decreasing inflow
04:04:38 Speaker 306: to the homelessness system, or they
04:04:40 Speaker 306: were looking at increasing the number
04:04:42 Speaker 306: of moveouts from the homelessness system
04:04:44 Speaker 306: locally. We qualified to apply for
04:04:46 Speaker 306: these funds because Gray County has
04:04:47 Speaker 306: a quality by names list, and
04:04:49 Speaker 306: we're connected with the Canadian Alliance
04:04:50 Speaker 306: Ten Homelessness through Built for Zero.
04:04:52 Speaker 306: So we worked with our Built
04:04:55 Speaker 306: for Zero coach on the application,
04:04:57 Speaker 306: and we decided that. based on
04:04:59 Speaker 306: the statistics we see locally, we
04:05:02 Speaker 306: were going to pursue the inflow
04:05:04 Speaker 306: decrease. And what we've specifically decided
04:05:06 Speaker 306: to tackle is the returns to
04:05:08 Speaker 306: homelessness. So a lot of times,
04:05:13 Speaker 67: when we're supporting people in moving
04:05:16 Speaker 312: from our by names list, around
04:05:19 Speaker 312: thirty percent of the time they're
04:05:20 Speaker 312: actually returning to the homelessness system
04:05:22 Speaker 312: because of a lack of supports.
04:05:23 Speaker 312: Dealing with those local landlords, getting
04:05:24 Speaker 312: them set up with appropriate referral
04:05:26 Speaker 312: services once they've been housed. So
04:05:27 Speaker 312: this pilot project is. for two
04:05:28 Speaker 312: positions to work with a total
04:05:30 Speaker 312: of 48 households off of our
04:05:31 Speaker 313: buy names list over the 12
04:05:34 Speaker 313: month period, and what they'll be
04:05:35 Speaker 314: doing is touching base with households
04:05:38 Speaker 315: three times a week at minimum.
04:05:40 Speaker 315: They'll be helping to liaise with
04:05:42 Speaker 128: the landlords to intervene in any
04:05:45 Speaker 316: issues that come up early in
04:05:47 Speaker 316: the tenancies. They'll be helping them
04:05:49 Speaker 316: connect to services like things as
04:05:50 Speaker 316: simple as making sure they have
04:05:52 Speaker 316: a phone for the entryway system,
04:05:53 Speaker 316: like things that many of us
04:05:54 Speaker 316: would. would take for granted that
04:05:56 Speaker 316: would be easy. Some people need
04:05:58 Speaker 316: support, and we're going to provide
04:06:00 Speaker 128: that support to ensure that they
04:06:03 Speaker 128: can retain their housing. So we
04:06:05 Speaker 128: think that this is going to
04:06:07 Speaker 317: provide just a really great opportunity
04:06:11 Speaker 318: to reduce those return to homelessness.
04:06:15 Speaker 219: And we've also the Canadian Alliance
04:06:18 Speaker 219: on Homelessness has been wonderful to
04:06:20 Speaker 219: work with. They encourage us to
04:06:23 Speaker 319: ask for more funding. They encourage
04:06:26 Speaker 219: us to ask for rent supplements.
04:06:29 Speaker 219: So it's going to help us
04:06:31 Speaker 219: to subsidize some of those rents.
04:06:33 Speaker 219: While they're working with staff as
04:06:34 Speaker 219: an incentive, and they also encourage
04:06:36 Speaker 219: us to ask for funding around
04:06:39 Speaker 320: some of the accessories needed to
04:06:43 Speaker 306: run a programme like this. So
04:06:46 Speaker 306: we have furnishing costs and and
04:06:48 Speaker 306: things that are really going to
04:06:49 Speaker 306: help propel this programme. Happy to
04:06:50 Speaker 306: take any questions. Okay, thank you.
04:06:52 Speaker 306: I'll look around the room, and
04:06:53 Speaker 321: we'll begin with Councillor Mackey. Thank
04:07:00 Speaker 321: you, Warden. Thanks, Josh, for the
04:07:02 Speaker 321: report. I think this is a
04:07:04 Speaker 321: great opportunity. And my only question
04:07:06 Speaker 318: is the two hundred and fifty.
04:07:08 Speaker 318: dollar engagement incentive is that really
04:07:12 Speaker 318: needed? Should it not be incentive
04:07:15 Speaker 318: enough to want to be homed
04:07:17 Speaker 318: or housed? That's my question. Thanks.
04:07:20 Speaker 318: Thanks, Councillor Mackie and through you,
04:07:22 Speaker 318: Warden. Yes, the incentive of receiving
04:07:25 Speaker 318: those supports and being housed. It
04:07:27 Speaker 318: also allows us to ease households
04:07:29 Speaker 318: into that rental situation in the
04:07:31 Speaker 318: private market. some of these rental
04:07:35 Speaker 318: costs are very high compared to
04:07:38 Speaker 318: somebody's monthly budget. So, having the
04:07:39 Speaker 318: 250 through this programme that the
04:07:41 Speaker 318: county doesn't have to bear the
04:07:44 Speaker 318: cost of is going to allow
04:07:49 Speaker 318: us that six months that we're
04:07:51 Speaker 318: working with the person to connect
04:07:55 Speaker 322: them to probably a different subsidy
04:07:57 Speaker 322: programme. We also receive funding through
04:07:59 Speaker 322: the Canada Ontario Housing Benefit
04:08:01 Speaker 322: for portable housing benefit. We will
04:08:02 Speaker 224: likely transition these households once they've
04:08:05 Speaker 224: been successful in working with staff
04:08:07 Speaker 291: to receive that benefit more. long
04:08:10 Speaker 323: term to ensure that they're sustainable
04:08:13 Speaker 324: moving forward. Any further questions? We'll
04:08:16 Speaker 324: go to Councillor Body. Just a
04:08:18 Speaker 324: comment. Here's one more programme that
04:08:21 Speaker 324: we're adding to the list of
04:08:23 Speaker 324: programmemes that Grey County leads on.
04:08:25 Speaker 324: You know, we go to AIMO
04:08:26 Speaker 324: and we hear from other experts
04:08:29 Speaker 324: that tell us what we need
04:08:31 Speaker 324: to do or what they want
04:08:35 Speaker 324: to do in their municipality, and
04:08:37 Speaker 324: we're doing all of them already.
04:08:39 Speaker 324: And this is just one more
04:08:43 Speaker 324: that has got to help. And
04:08:45 Speaker 324: I hope our public. in our
04:08:48 Speaker 324: community of Gray County, realizes that
04:08:51 Speaker 324: that we're doing these types of
04:08:53 Speaker 324: things, and frankly, leading so many
04:08:56 Speaker 324: other municipalities. And I think you
04:08:58 Speaker 324: can always find somebody homelessness. I'm
04:09:00 Speaker 324: not saying that they're not in
04:09:01 Speaker 324: the street. I'm not saying that
04:09:04 Speaker 324: we'd love to help each and
04:09:07 Speaker 324: every one of them. But I
04:09:08 Speaker 324: think we're doing better. And you
04:09:11 Speaker 324: go to other communities, as we
04:09:13 Speaker 324: will see this weekend in Ottawa
04:09:15 Speaker 324: and other places, that we're
04:09:18 Speaker 324: really doing well. And it
04:09:21 Speaker 324: would be much worse without these
04:09:22 Speaker 324: programmemes. So this is good to
04:09:25 Speaker 324: see. Thanks. Thank you. Any other
04:09:28 Speaker 324: comments, Councillor Gray? My only question
04:09:29 Speaker 324: is, funding. This would appear to
04:09:31 Speaker 324: be a flow through through a
04:09:32 Speaker 325: federal programme through the Canadian Alliance
04:09:36 Speaker 325: to End Homelessness. Are we certainly
04:09:38 Speaker 325: comfortable that they've got multi years
04:09:39 Speaker 290: commitments from the federal government that
04:09:42 Speaker 290: there's nothing that's There's nothing that
04:09:47 Speaker 326: could leave us potentially on the
04:09:50 Speaker 327: hook here. That funding envelope was
04:09:54 Speaker 328: to be discontinued by higher level
04:09:57 Speaker 328: government. Thank you, Councillor, and through
04:09:58 Speaker 328: you, Warden. The pilot is only
04:10:00 Speaker 328: a 12 month pilot, so we're
04:10:01 Speaker 328: we're very confident they have the
04:10:03 Speaker 329: funds for that portion of it.
04:10:07 Speaker 329: And whether or not it becomes
04:10:10 Speaker 329: recurring is something that we'll have
04:10:12 Speaker 329: to have to see. Okay. Thank
04:10:14 Speaker 329: you. Not seeing any further hands.
04:10:17 Speaker 329: then it's been moved and seconded,
04:10:20 Speaker 329: and we've heard the discussion. All
04:10:22 Speaker 329: those in favour? That motion is
04:10:25 Speaker 329: carried. Thank you. And we'll call
04:10:27 Speaker 329: upon Director Shaw again for Item
04:10:30 Speaker 329: Seven E. It's recommended that Report
04:10:37 Speaker 329: CSR CW fourteen twenty five regarding
04:10:39 Speaker 329: Architectural Services for Early On Redevelopment
04:10:39 Speaker 329: be received, and that JPM Architecture
04:10:41 Speaker 329: Inc be awarded the Architectural Services
04:10:42 Speaker 329: Project for the Redevelopment of the
04:10:44 Speaker 329: Early On Centre East. Of the
04:10:46 Speaker 329: early on centre in Hanover, in
04:10:48 Speaker 329: the amount of 119,750, excluses of
04:10:49 Speaker 329: HST, and that the architectural fees
04:10:51 Speaker 329: be funded from the early on
04:10:53 Speaker 329: reserve fund, and that the the
04:10:55 Speaker 292: services be awarded prior to county
04:10:58 Speaker 292: council approval in accordance with section
04:11:00 Speaker 292: 26.6B of the procedural bylaw, according
04:11:03 Speaker 292: to the procedural bylaw 5134.22. So
04:11:05 Speaker 292: with that, may I ask for
04:11:06 Speaker 292: a mover? Moved by Councillor Dicker,
04:11:08 Speaker 290: seconded by Councillor Carleton. It's now
04:11:15 Speaker 290: on the floor for discussion, and
04:11:17 Speaker 290: more good news and progress for
04:11:19 Speaker 290: Early On. Director Shaw, over to
04:11:20 Speaker 330: you. Thank you, and through you,
04:11:25 Speaker 330: Warden. So we're back again, May
04:11:26 Speaker 330: the eighth. Council approved the acquisition
04:11:28 Speaker 330: of the land located in Hanover
04:11:29 Speaker 330: on Seventeenth Street Crescent for the
04:11:31 Speaker 14: redevelopment of our Early On Centre.
04:11:33 Speaker 14: The one that we have in
04:11:36 Speaker 14: Hanover right now is not. meeting
04:11:39 Speaker 14: our needs. We it is our
04:11:41 Speaker 14: largest and most attended. Early on,
04:11:43 Speaker 14: the land was acquired on June
04:11:46 Speaker 14: 16th, and we issued a
04:11:52 Speaker 14: request for proposal on June 16th
04:11:56 Speaker 14: for architectural services. We received six
04:11:58 Speaker 14: bids on the project, and the
04:12:00 Speaker 14: selected bid was JPM Architecture at
04:12:02 Speaker 14: one hundred and nineteen thousand seven
04:12:05 Speaker 14: hundred and fifty dollars, excluding
04:12:07 Speaker 14: HST. JPM JST, JPM Architecture
04:12:10 Speaker 14: is formally Allen Davis Architects. They're
04:12:13 Speaker 14: a local firm out of Godrich.
04:12:15 Speaker 14: We've worked with them before. They
04:12:17 Speaker 14: have experience in early on in
04:12:20 Speaker 14: childcare projects, and we're very happy
04:12:22 Speaker 14: and pleased to be happy
04:12:25 Speaker 14: to be working with them
04:12:27 Speaker 14: again. The project will progress through
04:12:30 Speaker 14: following a few phases, such as
04:12:32 Speaker 14: the schematic design and design development,
04:12:34 Speaker 14: construction documents, the tendering services, construction
04:12:36 Speaker 14: contract administration, and of course the
04:12:38 Speaker 14: construction closeout. We are asking that
04:12:41 Speaker 14: we move ahead before the September
04:12:43 Speaker 14: 11th because we'd like to get
04:12:45 Speaker 14: going, and we want to be
04:12:47 Speaker 14: able to start this build in
04:12:49 Speaker 14: the spring as soon as possible.
04:12:51 Speaker 14: Okay, thank you. I'll look around
04:12:54 Speaker 14: the room to see if there
04:12:56 Speaker 14: are questions and comments for
04:12:58 Speaker 14: you. Okay, not seeing. Oh, yes,
04:13:01 Speaker 14: Councillor Eccles. Thank you, and through
04:13:03 Speaker 14: to you, Miss Shaw. Are we
04:13:05 Speaker 14: going to be doing any more
04:13:08 Speaker 14: of the early on? How many
04:13:10 Speaker 14: buildings do we have other than
04:13:13 Speaker 14: this one? We do have a
04:13:16 Speaker 14: few. I guess where I'm going
04:13:18 Speaker 14: with the question is through the
04:13:19 Speaker 14: paramedic services and our and our
04:13:23 Speaker 14: ambulance. We've basically come up with
04:13:26 Speaker 14: a here's a cutter box. We're
04:13:28 Speaker 14: building one right now, and in
04:13:29 Speaker 14: West Grey, one proposed coming up
04:13:31 Speaker 14: in Grey Highlands, and there's. Great
04:13:33 Speaker 331: Highlands, and it's pretty much bang
04:13:40 Speaker 331: bang. Here it is, architect engineering.
04:13:42 Speaker 332: This is what we have. Just
04:13:45 Speaker 333: wondering whether that process could be
04:13:48 Speaker 333: emulated going forward for early on
04:13:50 Speaker 333: buildings. So the county has
04:13:53 Speaker 333: only one. This is the
04:13:55 Speaker 333: only one that we own, but
04:13:56 Speaker 333: we do run them in other
04:13:58 Speaker 333: areas. But we have other social
04:14:00 Speaker 333: services or children services that
04:14:03 Speaker 247: run them. Certainly, when we're looking
04:14:06 Speaker 247: at developing this, we could make
04:14:10 Speaker 247: sure that we build. something that
04:14:11 Speaker 247: would be appropriate for other early
04:14:13 Speaker 247: ons. This one will be two
04:14:15 Speaker 247: classrooms and some offices and play
04:14:17 Speaker 247: area and whatnot. So certainly could
04:14:21 Speaker 247: be replicated. At this point, we
04:14:24 Speaker 247: don't have any future ideas of
04:14:27 Speaker 247: building another early on, just replacing
04:14:29 Speaker 247: the one that we have. We're
04:14:31 Speaker 247: only required to have the one.
04:14:33 Speaker 247: Okay. Any other questions? Not seeing
04:14:36 Speaker 247: anything further, so I'll call
04:14:40 Speaker 247: the question. All those.
04:14:44 Speaker 247: in favour, and that motion is
04:14:45 Speaker 247: carried. Thank you very much, Director
04:14:47 Speaker 247: Shaw. Okay. So this next one,
04:14:49 Speaker 247: I'll give the clerk a moment
04:14:52 Speaker 247: to go to the lectern while
04:14:53 Speaker 334: I look for a mover and
04:14:58 Speaker 334: a seconder. Item seven F.
04:15:01 Speaker 334: It's recommended that the Gray County
04:15:03 Speaker 334: Joint Accessibility Advisory Committee meeting
04:15:05 Speaker 334: minutes, dated July seventeenth, twenty twenty-five,
04:15:07 Speaker 334: be adopted as presented, and the
04:15:10 Speaker 334: following resolutions contained therein be endorsed.
04:15:12 Speaker 334: Number one, that that report. CCRJAAC0725
04:15:15 Speaker 247: regarding the updated accessible customer service
04:15:18 Speaker 247: policy be received, and that number
04:15:21 Speaker 247: two policy five dash one the
04:15:24 Speaker 247: accessible customer service policy be amended
04:15:26 Speaker 247: as outlined in this report by
04:15:29 Speaker 247: amending the policy statement including grade
04:15:32 Speaker 247: transit route considerations, incorporating assistive devices
04:15:35 Speaker 247: and noting expanded training requirements, and
04:15:37 Speaker 247: number three that in consideration of
04:15:41 Speaker 247: staff report. CS twenty five zero
04:15:43 Speaker 247: seven eight respecting playground replacement at
04:15:46 Speaker 247: Owen at Owen Heights and Comeret
04:15:48 Speaker 247: Park, the Gray County Joint Accessibility
04:15:50 Speaker 247: Advisory Committee review the proposed playground
04:15:52 Speaker 247: replacements and provide advice to the
04:15:55 Speaker 247: City of Owensound in respect to
04:15:56 Speaker 247: accessibility of the proposed layout and
04:15:59 Speaker 247: design of the two new playgrounds.
04:16:00 Speaker 247: And number four, that the report
04:16:03 Speaker 247: Flesherton Connecting Link be presented to
04:16:04 Speaker 247: the Gray County Joint Accessibility Advisory.
04:16:07 Speaker 247: Committee for review and comment, and
04:16:09 Speaker 247: provide input on the need for
04:16:12 Speaker 247: and design and replacement of
04:16:15 Speaker 247: rest areas, and number five that
04:16:20 Speaker 247: the report, Lawrence Street sidewalk addition,
04:16:23 Speaker 247: be received, and number six that
04:16:25 Speaker 247: the Gray County Joint Accessibility Advisory
04:16:27 Speaker 247: Committee provides input on the need
04:16:30 Speaker 247: for and design and placement of
04:16:33 Speaker 247: rest areas for the installation of
04:16:34 Speaker 247: the new concrete sidewalk, and number
04:16:35 Speaker 247: seven that the Tallahatchie Mountains Multi-Year
04:16:41 Speaker 247: Accessibility Plan, twenty twenty-five twenty. Plan
04:16:43 Speaker 247: 2025-26 be presented to the Gray
04:16:45 Speaker 247: County Joint Accessibility Advisory Committee for
04:16:46 Speaker 247: review and comment, and number eight
04:16:48 Speaker 335: that the City of Owensound staff
04:16:51 Speaker 335: report DA 25005 be received for
04:17:01 Speaker 336: information. May I ask for a
04:17:06 Speaker 336: mover and a seconder? Thank you.
04:17:07 Speaker 336: Moved by Councillor Greg, seconded
04:17:10 Speaker 329: by Councillor Keaveny. It's on the
04:17:13 Speaker 329: floor for discussion. Madam Clerk, over
04:17:21 Speaker 337: to you. Thank you, Madam Warden.
04:17:25 Speaker 337: Through you, the Gray County
04:17:27 Speaker 247: Joint Accessibility Advisory Committee met on
04:17:30 Speaker 247: July 17th. The first item up
04:17:33 Speaker 247: for business was amendments to the
04:17:35 Speaker 247: accessible accessible customer service policy. Those
04:17:38 Speaker 247: reflected some housekeeping updates required to
04:17:41 Speaker 247: the policy as part of the
04:17:44 Speaker 247: regular five-year review cycle. The updates
04:17:45 Speaker 247: did include adding GTR considerations and
04:17:46 Speaker 247: elabourating on training requirements, and including
04:17:48 Speaker 247: the assistive devices available for use.
04:17:51 Speaker 247: There was discussion on the new
04:17:56 Speaker 247: playground design at Comrade Park and
04:17:58 Speaker 338: Owen Heights Park in Owen Sound.
04:18:04 Speaker 339: The new playgrounds will include accessible
04:18:07 Speaker 339: and sensory play features, and access
04:18:10 Speaker 340: and access pathway, picnic and seating
04:18:13 Speaker 340: areas. It will include engineered wood
04:18:15 Speaker 340: fiber surface on the ground of
04:18:18 Speaker 340: the playground, and there were questions
04:18:20 Speaker 341: and comments regarding the location of
04:18:24 Speaker 342: accessible swings within the city and
04:18:26 Speaker 343: the accessibility of the wood fiber.
04:18:28 Speaker 343: material, the accessibleplaygroundsontario.ca website was a
04:18:31 Speaker 343: resource that was cited, I believe,
04:18:33 Speaker 343: from Councillor Greg. That's a it's
04:18:35 Speaker 343: a really great resource for anyone
04:18:37 Speaker 343: looking for accessible playgrounds across the
04:18:39 Speaker 343: province. There's a lot of really
04:18:42 Speaker 340: good information on that website. The
04:18:46 Speaker 344: Fleischerton Connecting Link project was discussed.
04:18:54 Speaker 345: This was in Grey Highlands, and
04:18:56 Speaker 346: the reconstruction project included intersection. improvements
04:18:59 Speaker 346: at Grey Road Four and Toronto
04:19:02 Speaker 346: Street, and the reconstruction of 600
04:19:06 Speaker 346: metres of Toronto Road and Sydney
04:19:07 Speaker 347: Street in Flusherton. Due to this
04:19:10 Speaker 247: constraint in space in that vicinity,
04:19:15 Speaker 247: there were no accessible parking on
04:19:20 Speaker 247: street parking spaces able to be
04:19:22 Speaker 247: incorporated into that design. But there
04:19:25 Speaker 247: is an exemption in the legislation
04:19:28 Speaker 247: that speaks to small spaces where
04:19:30 Speaker 247: those accessible parking spaces can't be
04:19:33 Speaker 247: accommodated, so that was relied upon
04:19:36 Speaker 247: in this case. The Lawrence Street
04:19:43 Speaker 348: Sidewalk Addition in Markdale included installation
04:19:47 Speaker 348: of a sidewalk on Lawrence Street
04:19:48 Speaker 348: between McDuff and Wellington. There were
04:19:51 Speaker 349: no comments heard regarding the placement
04:19:55 Speaker 349: or need for rest areas along
04:19:56 Speaker 349: the stretch of sidewalk. There will
04:20:01 Speaker 349: also be tactile plates incorporated into
04:20:03 Speaker 349: the sidewalk as well. The Town
04:20:04 Speaker 349: of Blue Mountains Multi-Year Accessibility Plan
04:20:06 Speaker 349: came forward for review. and there
04:20:09 Speaker 349: was information shared on the Enhancing
04:20:10 Speaker 349: Access to Spaces for Everyone
04:20:12 Speaker 349: Grant, which provides up to sixty
04:20:15 Speaker 349: thousand dollars for projects that improve
04:20:18 Speaker 349: accessibility and lifestyle, active lifestyles supports
04:20:20 Speaker 349: for people with disabilities. That is
04:20:22 Speaker 349: available to municipalities for sure. I
04:20:25 Speaker 349: think only one one application per
04:20:27 Speaker 349: municipality is able to be submitted.
04:20:33 Speaker 349: There was also a report on.
04:20:35 Speaker 349: the site plan application at twenty
04:20:38 Speaker 349: two sixty one Ninth Ave East
04:20:42 Speaker 349: in North Sound that came forward
04:20:45 Speaker 349: for information as well. Okay, thank
04:20:46 Speaker 349: you very much for that explanation.
04:20:48 Speaker 349: So with that, we'll put it
04:20:50 Speaker 349: out in case there are any
04:20:53 Speaker 349: questions from committee of the whole.
04:20:56 Speaker 349: Seeing any? Oh yes, sorry, Councillor
04:20:58 Speaker 349: Arakels. Thank you, Madam Morgan. Through
04:21:01 Speaker 349: you to the committee itself, and
04:21:02 Speaker 349: it's more on the committee structure.
04:21:09 Speaker 349: Are all municipalities represented on this
04:21:12 Speaker 349: committee, or is it a requirement?
04:21:14 Speaker 349: Thank you. So, in Gray County,
04:21:15 Speaker 349: there are all municipalities are represented,
04:21:17 Speaker 350: with the exception of. Chatsworth and
04:21:20 Speaker 350: Meaford, I believe. Meaford has its
04:21:21 Speaker 350: own committee, and Chatsworth isn't large
04:21:23 Speaker 350: enough to require one under the
04:21:25 Speaker 350: legislation. The others have the option
04:21:28 Speaker 350: of having their own or making
04:21:29 Speaker 350: a joint committee. So that is
04:21:32 Speaker 350: the case for the rest of
04:21:35 Speaker 350: them. As plies have decided, with
04:21:37 Speaker 350: the newest member being Owensound to
04:21:39 Speaker 350: join the joint committee and fulfil
04:21:42 Speaker 350: that requirement. And just one little
04:21:44 Speaker 350: further question, because there's some
04:21:47 Speaker 350: committees have been on lately have
04:21:48 Speaker 350: been challenged on governance abilities and
04:21:50 Speaker 350: and some of the minutes that
04:21:52 Speaker 350: they have. It's just on the
04:21:55 Speaker 350: way this committee was adjourned. At
04:21:57 Speaker 350: the bottom, it was on a
04:21:59 Speaker 350: motion from the chair. I just
04:22:01 Speaker 350: kind of strange. I've never seen
04:22:03 Speaker 350: that. done in any of our
04:22:05 Speaker 350: other committees. It's always been, as
04:22:06 Speaker 350: county council, a motion from some
04:22:08 Speaker 350: of the committee members. But this
04:22:10 Speaker 350: one is just—it's not that the
04:22:13 Speaker 350: chair declared it. By the way,
04:22:15 Speaker 350: this is—it's just—it's on a motion
04:22:16 Speaker 350: by the chair. Any comment on
04:22:18 Speaker 350: that? Should be that somebody else
04:22:21 Speaker 350: seconded it. I would have to
04:22:22 Speaker 350: actually go back to see what
04:22:25 Speaker 350: this may be, either a template
04:22:27 Speaker 350: concern or a meeting with mechanic
04:22:30 Speaker 350: concern. I have to go back
04:22:32 Speaker 350: and look at the video. I
04:22:35 Speaker 350: think either the chair would have
04:22:38 Speaker 350: declared it, and then absent any
04:22:40 Speaker 350: opposition from members, under unanimous consent,
04:22:42 Speaker 350: it would. have been considered adjourned.
04:22:45 Speaker 350: But I would agree with you
04:22:46 Speaker 350: that that the terminology there on
04:22:48 Speaker 350: motion of Chair Schultz, we we
04:22:50 Speaker 350: could adjust that to reflect the
04:22:52 Speaker 350: likelihood of unanimous consent adjourning meeting.
04:22:54 Speaker 350: Okay. Thank you. Any other questions?
04:22:56 Speaker 350: Okay. It has been moved and
04:22:58 Speaker 350: seconded. Then I'll call the question.
04:23:00 Speaker 350: All those in favour? and that
04:23:02 Speaker 350: is carried. Thank you. Okay, so
04:23:04 Speaker 350: next we move on to 7G,
04:23:06 Speaker 350: and with this, Director Spicer will
04:23:10 Speaker 350: do an introduction. It's recommended that
04:23:11 Speaker 350: the County of Gray Budget and
04:23:13 Speaker 350: Finance Committee meeting minutes, dated July
04:23:15 Speaker 350: twenty third, twenty twenty twenty five,
04:23:16 Speaker 350: be adopted as presented, and the
04:23:17 Speaker 350: following resolutions contained therein be endorsed.
04:23:20 Speaker 350: Number one, that report FRBFC twenty
04:23:22 Speaker 350: five fifteen twenty five regarding the
04:23:24 Speaker 350: twenty twenty five Regarding the 2025
04:23:26 Speaker 350: Capital Project Status Update Report as
04:23:28 Speaker 350: of April 30, 2025, be received
04:23:31 Speaker 350: for information, and that number two,
04:23:33 Speaker 350: the report FRBFC 1425 regarding the
04:23:36 Speaker 350: corporate financial update as of April
04:23:38 Speaker 350: 30 be received for information, and
04:23:41 Speaker 350: number three, that the report FRBFC
04:23:43 Speaker 350: 1325 Healthcare Funding Request 2026 Budget
04:23:45 Speaker 350: be received, and that staff be
04:23:47 Speaker 350: directed to maintain the budgeted two.
04:23:50 Speaker 350: hundred thousand transfer to the healthcare
04:23:51 Speaker 350: initiatives reserve for the twenty twenty
04:23:53 Speaker 350: six budget and twenty twenty seven
04:23:56 Speaker 350: projected budget. With that, I'll ask
04:23:58 Speaker 350: for a mover. Moved by Councillor
04:24:03 Speaker 350: Mackie, seconded by Councillor Dobrine. It's
04:24:05 Speaker 350: on the floor for discussion. Welcome,
04:24:07 Speaker 350: Director Spicer. Thank you, Madam Warden.
04:24:08 Speaker 350: So our meeting on July twenty
04:24:10 Speaker 351: third began with Director Shaw presenting
04:24:12 Speaker 351: an overview of how the housing
04:24:14 Speaker 350: capital budget is developed, part of
04:24:16 Speaker 350: the discussion involved the number of
04:24:19 Speaker 350: units. It was noted over 500
04:24:20 Speaker 350: no one sound, and the addition
04:24:22 Speaker 350: of transitional housing in a former
04:24:23 Speaker 350: motel. Not including the recent additions,
04:24:25 Speaker 350: the value of all assets was
04:24:27 Speaker 350: approximately 236 million dollars. Also discussed
04:24:31 Speaker 350: were the tools used, such as
04:24:33 Speaker 350: the building condition assessments, as well
04:24:35 Speaker 350: as inspections by staff and consultants.
04:24:37 Speaker 350: Staff look at energy efficiency options
04:24:40 Speaker 350: to reduce. operating budgets, cutting projects
04:24:42 Speaker 350: were discussed, and it was noted
04:24:45 Speaker 350: that the operating budget includes the
04:24:48 Speaker 350: cost of making ready units after
04:24:53 Speaker 350: tenant turnovers. There were questions asked
04:24:56 Speaker 350: about a recent project that installed
04:24:58 Speaker 350: heat pumps at a building in
04:25:00 Speaker 350: Miford, and whether energy savings had
04:25:02 Speaker 350: been seen. It was noted for
04:25:05 Speaker 350: this particular property, Gray County only
04:25:08 Speaker 350: pays the cost for the vacant
04:25:12 Speaker 350: units, so we will get some
04:25:13 Speaker 350: data on that. Just we don't
04:25:16 Speaker 352: have the full expense in our
04:25:21 Speaker 290: budgets. Also asked for questions on
04:25:26 Speaker 290: funding and the waitlist, and it
04:25:28 Speaker 353: was noted the waitlist is approximately
04:25:30 Speaker 93: two hundred, sorry, twenty three hundred
04:25:33 Speaker 93: people, and approximately seventy percent of
04:25:34 Speaker 93: those are from Gray County. Director
04:25:36 Speaker 93: Myers presented on economic development, tourism,
04:25:38 Speaker 93: and culture assets. So the buildings
04:25:40 Speaker 93: are the Gray Roots, Morrison Village,
04:25:41 Speaker 93: Sidneyham Campus, as well as two
04:25:44 Speaker 93: vehicles. And Savannah shared that the
04:25:46 Speaker 93: EDTC master plan and the
04:25:48 Speaker 93: building condition assessments are used to
04:25:50 Speaker 93: determine. the timing of capital projects,
04:25:52 Speaker 93: and lifespan is extended if possible.
04:25:53 Speaker 93: So we use the example of
04:25:58 Speaker 93: the tourism vehicle, and some projects
04:26:00 Speaker 93: move ahead based on need. And
04:26:01 Speaker 93: we've had a recent example with
04:26:03 Speaker 93: the schoolhouse roof and the exterior
04:26:06 Speaker 93: doors at Sidney Ham Campus. There
04:26:12 Speaker 93: were questions on the capital contributions
04:26:14 Speaker 93: required for gray roofs, and just
04:26:16 Speaker 93: as a note, that building opened
04:26:20 Speaker 93: in two thousand four, so it's
04:26:22 Speaker 93: twenty one years old. Three reports
04:26:23 Speaker 93: were presented. The first was the
04:26:26 Speaker 93: capital project status report, and that's
04:26:30 Speaker 93: based on actuals to the end
04:26:33 Speaker 93: of April. And it was noted
04:26:36 Speaker 93: there's two hundred and fifty nine
04:26:38 Speaker 93: projects on the report. Next was
04:26:41 Speaker 93: a financial update with the same
04:26:42 Speaker 93: time frame. That noted there was
04:26:44 Speaker 93: a heavier winter than normal, and
04:26:47 Speaker 93: that impacted the transportation, housing, long
04:26:48 Speaker 93: term care, and paramedic services budgets.
04:26:49 Speaker 93: It resulted in increased staff and
04:26:51 Speaker 93: for transportation, higher usage costs for
04:26:55 Speaker 93: materials, higher than expected snow removal
04:26:56 Speaker 93: costs at many. buildings and some
04:27:00 Speaker 93: building repairs for housing. And staff
04:27:01 Speaker 93: noted that the final impact won't
04:27:03 Speaker 93: be known until year end. Also
04:27:04 Speaker 354: depends on how early winter starts
04:27:07 Speaker 354: this fall, and that departments are
04:27:10 Speaker 354: looking for savings in other areas
04:27:12 Speaker 354: to mitigate costs. Actuals to April
04:27:14 Speaker 354: 30th in most cases are too
04:27:16 Speaker 354: early to predict or trend any
04:27:17 Speaker 354: any outcomes. With, for example, a
04:27:19 Speaker 354: lot of costs such as association
04:27:20 Speaker 354: fees are incurred. earlier in the
04:27:22 Speaker 354: year, and then you have no
04:27:23 Speaker 354: expense for the rest of the
04:27:25 Speaker 354: year. We did notice the note
04:27:27 Speaker 354: that the variance for court security
04:27:29 Speaker 354: provided Owen Sound. It's now known
04:27:31 Speaker 354: to exceed budget by just under
04:27:34 Speaker 354: one hundred twenty thousand dollars. That
04:27:36 Speaker 354: will require funding at the end
04:27:37 Speaker 354: of the year, and that the
04:27:40 Speaker 354: amount included in the budget was
04:27:41 Speaker 354: based on best estimates provided mid
04:27:42 Speaker 355: twenty twenty four. The final report
04:27:45 Speaker 355: was healthcare funding requests, which at
04:27:46 Speaker 355: that point there were no requests.
04:27:49 Speaker 354: The only commitment we had for
04:27:52 Speaker 354: 2026 was for Bright Shores, and
04:27:54 Speaker 354: the last year of that $200,000
04:27:56 Speaker 356: annual commitment is 2027. The report
04:27:59 Speaker 356: recommended maintaining the 2025 transfer reserve
04:28:01 Speaker 356: of $209,500, and as you'd see
04:28:02 Speaker 356: in the minutes, that amount was
04:28:04 Speaker 354: amended to $200,000. The meeting wrapped
04:28:07 Speaker 354: up with a discussion on what
04:28:10 Speaker 354: is scheduled for the September meeting,
04:28:12 Speaker 354: and. that'll include reports on budget
04:28:14 Speaker 354: timelines, full-time employee requests for 2026
04:28:15 Speaker 354: and 2027, and information from the
04:28:18 Speaker 354: director of human resources on COLA
04:28:19 Speaker 354: adjustments and collective agreements. Okay, thank
04:28:21 Speaker 354: you. I'll put it out for
04:28:23 Speaker 354: questions. Okay, not seen any. Then
04:28:24 Speaker 354: I'll call the question. All those
04:28:27 Speaker 354: in favour? That motion is carried.
04:28:29 Speaker 354: Thank you. And at this
04:28:32 Speaker 354: point in time, the CAO
04:28:33 Speaker 354: will do the introduction for
04:28:35 Speaker 354: the final item that is here
04:28:39 Speaker 354: on the open agenda. And it's
04:28:41 Speaker 354: recommended that the minutes of the
04:28:45 Speaker 354: Joint Municipal Services Committee meeting, dated
04:28:47 Speaker 354: July 29, 2025, be adopted as
04:28:48 Speaker 354: presented, and the following resolutions contained
04:28:51 Speaker 354: therein be endorsed: Number one, that
04:28:55 Speaker 354: Councillor Body be elected as the
04:28:56 Speaker 354: chair of the Joint Municipal Services
04:28:59 Speaker 354: Committee through to September 2026.
04:29:01 Speaker 354: Number two, that Councillor Dicker be
04:29:03 Speaker 354: elected as the vice chair. of
04:29:06 Speaker 354: the Joint Municipal Services Committee through
04:29:09 Speaker 354: September 2026. Number three, that the
04:29:11 Speaker 354: report CAORJMS 1025, ongoing work and
04:29:13 Speaker 354: background in respect to joint municipal
04:29:17 Speaker 354: service work, be received for information,
04:29:19 Speaker 354: and that report CAORJMS 1125 be
04:29:21 Speaker 354: received, and that members of the
04:29:23 Speaker 354: community of practice be encouraged to
04:29:27 Speaker 354: provide an update to respective member
04:29:29 Speaker 354: municipal councils, and that number six.
04:29:30 Speaker 354: that based on council feedback from
04:29:33 Speaker 354: the community of practice, identify priorities
04:29:34 Speaker 354: for collabourative and/or shared services in
04:29:37 Speaker 354: respect to waste collection, and
04:29:39 Speaker 354: number seven, that staff be
04:29:42 Speaker 354: directed to provide a report back
04:29:43 Speaker 354: to the joint municipal services committee
04:29:45 Speaker 354: on identified services to the next
04:29:48 Speaker 354: meeting. May I ask for
04:29:49 Speaker 354: a mover and a seconder? It's
04:29:52 Speaker 354: moved by Councillor McKay and
04:29:55 Speaker 354: seconded by Councillor Hutchinson. It's now
04:29:57 Speaker 354: on the floor for discussion.
04:29:59 Speaker 354: Over to you, CEO. Over to
04:30:00 Speaker 354: you. See you. Great, thank you
04:30:03 Speaker 354: very much, Ward Matrasos. So, the
04:30:05 Speaker 354: recently created Joint Missile Service Committee
04:30:07 Speaker 354: met for the first time on
04:30:10 Speaker 354: July 29th this year, last month.
04:30:13 Speaker 354: As Ward Matrasos indicated, Council
04:30:16 Speaker 354: Body was elected as chair. Council
04:30:19 Speaker 354: Dicker was elected as vice
04:30:21 Speaker 354: chair. An overview of the terms
04:30:24 Speaker 354: of reference for this committee was
04:30:27 Speaker 354: reviewed with the committee, and just
04:30:29 Speaker 354: as a bit of a recap
04:30:31 Speaker 354: for council, the purpose of this
04:30:34 Speaker 354: committee is to look for opportunities
04:30:36 Speaker 357: for shared services and then to
04:30:38 Speaker 354: develop a recommendation. to council on
04:30:41 Speaker 354: services that have the potential to
04:30:43 Speaker 354: be shared among two or more
04:30:46 Speaker 354: municipalities within Gray County. The focus
04:30:47 Speaker 354: is on services that would improve
04:30:49 Speaker 354: the financial condition of at least
04:30:53 Speaker 354: two municipalities, as well as shared
04:30:54 Speaker 354: services that have the potential to
04:30:56 Speaker 354: improve the level of service for
04:30:59 Speaker 358: residents. The intent is that the
04:31:03 Speaker 358: committee would develop a plan on
04:31:05 Speaker 354: what shared servicing ranges should be
04:31:07 Speaker 354: explored further, and that prioritizing some
04:31:10 Speaker 354: of those those potential services, and
04:31:12 Speaker 354: then bring that back to. council
04:31:14 Speaker 354: for further direction and information. One
04:31:17 Speaker 354: of the actions, as I noted,
04:31:18 Speaker 354: for the committee is to develop
04:31:21 Speaker 354: that priority list of potential shared
04:31:24 Speaker 354: services to be considered for
04:31:27 Speaker 354: council's consideration and direction. As
04:31:30 Speaker 354: the warden indicated through the motion,
04:31:33 Speaker 354: there was a report that was
04:31:36 Speaker 354: presented on ongoing work and background.
04:31:40 Speaker 354: And in order to provide some
04:31:42 Speaker 354: context and background information to the
04:31:46 Speaker 354: committee, staff presented a report on
04:31:48 Speaker 354: the ongoing work that county and
04:31:49 Speaker 354: member municipalities are already doing. when
04:31:51 Speaker 354: it comes to shared services. Guided
04:31:53 Speaker 354: by the strategic plan, the county
04:31:56 Speaker 354: and its member municipalities routinely work
04:31:59 Speaker 354: together and explore opportunities for collabouration
04:32:03 Speaker 354: to find efficiencies and opportunities to
04:32:05 Speaker 354: improve services. An overview was provided,
04:32:07 Speaker 354: excuse me, of the of the
04:32:09 Speaker 354: collabouration framework that was created
04:32:10 Speaker 354: in 2013 and was endorsed by
04:32:13 Speaker 354: council. And this framework was used
04:32:14 Speaker 354: back in that time period to
04:32:16 Speaker 354: explore library services back into. Library
04:32:19 Speaker 354: services. Back in 2014, the principles
04:32:21 Speaker 354: of intent in this framework have
04:32:23 Speaker 354: been used to explore subsequent discussions
04:32:26 Speaker 354: on potential service partnerships, including recent
04:32:28 Speaker 354: discussions in areas such as centralized
04:32:30 Speaker 359: planning services as well as waste
04:32:34 Speaker 360: collection services. The report provides information
04:32:36 Speaker 361: on collabouration and shared services that
04:32:38 Speaker 362: have been created and and discussed
04:32:41 Speaker 362: over the past decade, as examples
04:32:43 Speaker 363: of areas where potential may be
04:32:47 Speaker 363: may exist for greater alignment to
04:32:49 Speaker 363: help inform the discussion of this
04:32:50 Speaker 363: committee. Waste management report. So, staff
04:32:52 Speaker 364: also presented a report highlighting the
04:32:57 Speaker 364: work of the what's called the
04:32:58 Speaker 364: waste management community practice, and it's
04:33:00 Speaker 365: a group consisting of local municipal
04:33:02 Speaker 365: waste managers who share best
04:33:06 Speaker 268: practices and also identify potential collabouration
04:33:10 Speaker 268: opportunities. The waste management community practice
04:33:12 Speaker 268: is supported by both the county
04:33:15 Speaker 268: strategic plan as well as Going
04:33:17 Speaker 268: Green and Gray. Like other service
04:33:20 Speaker 268: areas, municipalities. are already collabourating on
04:33:23 Speaker 268: waste management, including some municipalities sharing
04:33:24 Speaker 268: landfill space, sharing leaf yard waste
04:33:27 Speaker 268: sites, as well as municipalities collabourating
04:33:29 Speaker 268: on household hazardous waste days, just
04:33:30 Speaker 268: to name a few. The report
04:33:32 Speaker 268: also identifies some further collabouration opportunities
04:33:36 Speaker 268: when it comes to waste management,
04:33:39 Speaker 268: things like partnering on recycling and
04:33:41 Speaker 268: diversion services, joint educational campaigns, joint
04:33:44 Speaker 268: procurement of waste collection services, developing
04:33:46 Speaker 268: regional composting facilities to support local
04:33:47 Speaker 268: organic waste composting, collabourating and partnering
04:33:49 Speaker 268: regionally on household hazardous waste programmemes
04:33:51 Speaker 268: and drop-off sites, potential opportunities for
04:33:53 Speaker 268: landfill sharing and access, as well
04:33:55 Speaker 268: as exploring the potential local for
04:33:57 Speaker 268: waste-to-energy partnerships. So many of these
04:33:59 Speaker 268: areas for collabouration could be further
04:34:01 Speaker 268: explored through the development of a
04:34:02 Speaker 268: combined waste management master plan, and
04:34:05 Speaker 268: this could identify priorities for joint
04:34:08 Speaker 268: services. Committee received that report and
04:34:10 Speaker 268: recommend. the members of the community
04:34:12 Speaker 268: practice be encouraged to provide updates
04:34:14 Speaker 268: to their municipal member councils, and
04:34:16 Speaker 268: that based on council feedback, the
04:34:18 Speaker 268: community practice also identify priorities for
04:34:21 Speaker 268: collabourative and shared services with respect
04:34:22 Speaker 268: to waste collection. With respect to
04:34:24 Speaker 268: the list, so the committee then
04:34:26 Speaker 268: did a brainstorming activity where members
04:34:28 Speaker 268: identified some potential shared services that
04:34:30 Speaker 268: could be explored further, and they
04:34:33 Speaker 268: went through an exercise to start
04:34:34 Speaker 366: to prioritize. Ties to start to
04:34:40 Speaker 348: prioritize some of those opportunities. So
04:34:44 Speaker 367: some of the opportunities that were
04:34:47 Speaker 367: identified by the committee: waste management,
04:34:48 Speaker 368: staffing, including areas of air retention
04:34:51 Speaker 368: and skills development, procurement services, policies
04:34:52 Speaker 368: and standards, physician recruitment, services such
04:34:54 Speaker 368: as wastewater and water, equipment sharing
04:34:55 Speaker 369: and leasing of a fleet, building
04:34:59 Speaker 369: inspection services, centralized tax collection, as
04:35:01 Speaker 370: well as information systems. the committee
04:35:04 Speaker 212: discussed and participated in exercise to
04:35:06 Speaker 212: determine which of the above categories
04:35:08 Speaker 212: the committee would like to see
04:35:10 Speaker 212: further information on, and and so
04:35:12 Speaker 212: they went through a prioritization exercise
04:35:13 Speaker 212: and they determined the top three
04:35:15 Speaker 212: as staffing, waste management, and physician
04:35:18 Speaker 371: recruitment as as potential areas to
04:35:23 Speaker 371: focus on. Committee then passed a
04:35:25 Speaker 371: motion directing staff to provide a
04:35:27 Speaker 371: report back to the Joint Missile
04:35:29 Speaker 371: Services Committee, providing some initial information
04:35:31 Speaker 268: on. those identified services at the
04:35:33 Speaker 268: next meeting, and the next meeting
04:35:35 Speaker 268: has been scheduled for September 26.
04:35:37 Speaker 268: The committee was interested in hearing
04:35:40 Speaker 268: any initial feedback that council may
04:35:42 Speaker 268: have with respect to that
04:35:44 Speaker 268: shared service list, as well as
04:35:46 Speaker 268: the top three priority areas that
04:35:48 Speaker 268: were identified by the committee. Happy
04:35:50 Speaker 268: to take any questions. Okay, I'll
04:35:52 Speaker 268: put it out there. Let's begin
04:35:54 Speaker 268: with the deputy warden. Thank you,
04:35:55 Speaker 268: Madam Warden. Randy. it mentions in
04:35:56 Speaker 268: the report that the committee discussed
04:35:58 Speaker 268: increased usage of incinerators in Ontario.
04:36:01 Speaker 268: Where's that happening? To my knowledge,
04:36:04 Speaker 268: there hasn't been an incinerator built
04:36:07 Speaker 268: in Ontario in decades. But I'm
04:36:08 Speaker 268: just curious to know. Please. Through
04:36:10 Speaker 268: you, Madam Warden, I was in
04:36:12 Speaker 268: that. It might have been a
04:36:13 Speaker 268: typo or miscommunication in terms of
04:36:16 Speaker 268: incinerators. The incinerator discussion is is
04:36:18 Speaker 268: definitely. Becoming more prevalent just based
04:36:21 Speaker 268: on overall landfill capacity throughout the
04:36:24 Speaker 268: province. What was identified at a
04:36:26 Speaker 268: recent conference that staff were able
04:36:28 Speaker 268: to attend was noting that collectively,
04:36:30 Speaker 268: overall landfill capacity across the province
04:36:32 Speaker 268: is less than ten years of
04:36:35 Speaker 268: landfill capacity. And as we all
04:36:39 Speaker 268: know, that the to in order
04:36:43 Speaker 268: to get to an approval of
04:36:46 Speaker 268: a new landfill site, it takes
04:36:47 Speaker 268: many many years. So in terms
04:36:52 Speaker 268: of the words that where
04:36:54 Speaker 268: I expressed at that conference, in
04:36:56 Speaker 268: terms of waste management becoming a
04:37:00 Speaker 268: potential crisis, that was definitely expressed
04:37:02 Speaker 268: as part of that conference. Just
04:37:04 Speaker 268: based on overall landfill capacity, through
04:37:05 Speaker 268: that there was discussions about looking
04:37:07 Speaker 268: at other opportunities in order to
04:37:08 Speaker 268: how how we deal with this
04:37:10 Speaker 268: waste beyond diversion, which should be
04:37:11 Speaker 268: our number one. Is we still
04:37:12 Speaker 268: have some waste that we need
04:37:15 Speaker 240: to potentially get rid of, and
04:37:23 Speaker 240: there was concerns at that time
04:37:25 Speaker 240: too that if the the border
04:37:26 Speaker 240: was closed off to be able
04:37:28 Speaker 240: to ship any waste south into
04:37:29 Speaker 372: the states, what does that look
04:37:34 Speaker 372: like in terms of then that
04:37:35 Speaker 372: crisis now becoming even more of
04:37:36 Speaker 372: a crisis? And so, looking for
04:37:38 Speaker 372: those other alternative measures in order
04:37:39 Speaker 372: to how we manage our overall
04:37:41 Speaker 372: waste. So, although there's not incinerators
04:37:43 Speaker 251: that I'm aware of at this
04:37:45 Speaker 251: stage, there are others that are
04:37:47 Speaker 251: looking at potential incineration as an
04:37:50 Speaker 251: option if if and when
04:37:52 Speaker 251: we might get. to some of
04:37:55 Speaker 251: those situations I just described.
04:37:57 Speaker 251: Okay. Other questions? Okay. Not.
04:37:59 Speaker 251: Oh, there we go. Councillor Mackey.
04:38:01 Speaker 251: Thanks, Warden. Thanks, Randy, for the
04:38:03 Speaker 251: update. I'm just wondering the the
04:38:06 Speaker 251: waste. I think it was a
04:38:07 Speaker 251: couple years ago that County Council
04:38:08 Speaker 251: asked to look at you know
04:38:13 Speaker 251: the joint waste situation. Really, not
04:38:16 Speaker 251: heard anything in the last two
04:38:17 Speaker 251: years until today. So. is the
04:38:18 Speaker 251: group making much progress, and why
04:38:19 Speaker 251: aren't we hearing anything at a lower tier level?
04:38:19 Speaker 251: We're having to make decisions around waste management on a regular basis, and it would be nice to have that input and to know where that direction possibly might be leading.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: Thank you.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: To you, Warren Majorsovs, and so this was actually our first update to be able to provide, and we provided through the Joint Missile Service Committee because we.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: Services Committee, because we've identified it as based through that community practice an area of potential collabouration and sharing of services.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: So that was that report that was presented to the Joint Missiles Services Committee captured basically all the information that's been generated and collected over the past couple years with respect to that that committee and that group.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: We started initially with just doing a kind of a state of the nation in terms of what what does our existing waste management processes and systems look like across Great.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: Systems look like across Gray County, so we've captured all that information into into a report, as well as identifying what are those potential areas of collabouration.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: So that that report that was presented to the Joint Municipal Services Committee is a summary of all that work.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: If for those that haven't reviewed that report, I encourage encourage members to review that, and we're happy to if council is interested in hearing an overall presentation of about that report, we're happy.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: to share the the presentation that was provided to the Joint Municipal Service Committee.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: It's as noted.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: There's already collabouration happening in in your own municipality in Chatsworth.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: Councillor Councillor Mackie is sharing landfill space with with your neighbours to the south and Grey Highlands.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: Municipalities are sharing leaf and yard waste.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: Municipalities are already sharing household hazardous waste days.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: So there's already collabouration.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: happening, and the waste management community practice has identified some further opportunities for collabouration.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: And I think this is where the Joint Missile Service community said, "Let's look into this a little bit further." So that's why it became one of their top three in terms of digging into some of those some of those opportunities further.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: That makes sense.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: Okay.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: Thank you.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: Okay.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: Not seeing any further hands.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: In that case, then.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: I'll call the question.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: All those in favour?
04:38:20 Speaker 251: And that motion is carried.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: Thank you.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: Thank you very much, Cao.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: Okay.
04:38:20 Speaker 251: So at this point in time, then we are now at item eight, which is closed meeting matters.
04:38:21 Speaker 251: It's recommended that the committee, the whole, does now go into closed session pursuant to section two thirty nine two of the Municipal Act two thousand and one as amended, to discuss number one, labour relations or employee negotiations regarding QP fifteen thirty, and number two.
04:38:21 Speaker 251: 1530 and number two, advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege, including communications necessary for that purpose regarding board of health membership, and this was added to the agenda on August 13th, 2025.
04:38:21 Speaker 251: So with that, I will ask for a mover.
04:38:21 Speaker 251: It's moved by Councillor Patterson, seconded by Councillor Pringle, and all those in favour.
04:38:21 Speaker 251: Okay, so we thank you.
04:38:21 Speaker 251: That motion is carried.
04:38:21 Speaker 251: We will now do the switch over with the people in the room and the technology.
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