Grey County County Council Meeting Transcript — September 11, 2025
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Grey County · County Council · September 11, 2025
Summary
Grey County Council convened on September 11, 2025, to adopt August 14 minutes and receive reports from the Board of Health. The agenda proceeded with formal introductions, roll call, and a motion carried to introduce Bylaw 52-48-25.
Top Newsworthy Developments
- Adoption of Minutes: A speaker suggested moving on to the adoption of the minutes and stated that it is recommended that these be adopted, but the excerpt does not record a formal motion, second, or disposition.
- County Council and Committee of the Whole minutes dated August 14, 2025: County Council adopted resolutions from the August 14, 2025 minutes after a motion was moved and seconded with no discussion.
- By-laws: Council carried a motion to introduce Bylaw 52-48-25, which confirms all actions and proceedings of council, signed by the warden and clerk.
- AMO Conference Roundtable and Delegation Update: Council reviewed a summary of recent AML conference delegations attended by staff and senior leadership, noting successful collaboration with Georgian College and Bruce County on issues including long-term care and community paramedicine. Discussion shifted to the ability for county councillors to attend future delegations, with a speaker requesting clarification on the current process for invitations versus past practices where all councillors were invited.
- Council Reviewed AML Conference Delegation Updates: Council received a summary of the recent AML conference where staff attended with four provincial delegations to Ministers Jones, Kusendova-Bashta, Quinn, and Tangri. Discussions covered funding stability for community paramedicine, reporting duplication between ministries, long-term care wait times, rural college financial pressures, and small business enterprise centre support.
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- September 11, 2025
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1 Call to Order
A County Council member called the September 11, 2025 meeting to order.
00:04:38 Speaker 01: now like to call to order
00:04:39 Speaker 01: this County Council meeting of September
00:04:41 Speaker 02: 11, 2025. And at this point
00:04:44 Speaker 02: in time, as we are able,
2 O Canada
A speaker invited attendees to join in singing 'O Canada' and standing; lyrics were recited by multiple speakers, concluding with a thank you to the Clerk.
00:04:45 Speaker 02: please join us. in the singing
00:04:47 Speaker 02: and the standing for "O Canada."
00:05:03 Speaker 02: O Canada, our home and native
00:05:09 Speaker 03: land, true patriot love. in all
00:05:16 Speaker 03: of us. Command with glowing hearts.
00:05:21 Speaker 04: We see thee rise, the true
00:05:25 Speaker 04: North, strong and free. From far
00:05:30 Speaker 04: and wide, O Canada, we stand
00:05:34 Speaker 04: on guard for thee. God keep
00:05:40 Speaker 04: our land, glory. Glorious and free,
00:05:47 Speaker 04: O Canada, we stand on guard
00:05:52 Speaker 04: for thee. O Canada, we stand
00:06:00 Speaker 04: on guard for thee. Thank. you,
3 Roll Call
The County Council conducted a roll call to determine attendance. Councillors McKay, McQueen, Bordyniawski, and Echols were absent with regrets sent, while all other members were present.
00:06:12 Speaker 04: Madam Clerk. Could you please conduct
00:06:14 Speaker 05: our roll call? Councillor Mackie. President.
00:06:19 Speaker 05: Councillor McKay sends his regrets today.
00:06:21 Speaker 05: Councillor Carlton. Councillor Pringle. Councillor
00:06:24 Speaker 05: McQueen, I believe, is joining us
00:06:26 Speaker 05: momentarily. Councillor Nielsen. President.
00:06:29 Speaker 05: Councillor Patterson. Councillor Dickert.
00:06:32 Speaker 05: Councillor Kentner. Councillor Keaveny. Councillor
00:06:35 Speaker 05: Body. Councillor Gregg. Councillor Milne.
00:06:39 Speaker 05: Councillor Dobrinski. Councillor Dobrine, Gordon
00:06:44 Speaker 05: Matrasovs, Councillor Bordyniawski says regrets
00:06:46 Speaker 06: today. Councillor Echols, Councillor Hutchinson. We
00:06:51 Speaker 06: have all members in attendance today,
00:06:53 Speaker 06: with the exception of Councillors McKay,
00:06:56 Speaker 07: Bordyniaw and McQueen. Thank you, Madam
4 Land Acknowledgement
Council members acknowledged gathering on the traditional territories of the Anishinaab Nation, Six Nations of the Grand River, and Haudenosaunee. The group expressed dedication to honouring Indigenous history and culture while seeking declarations of interest, with none reported.
00:07:00 Speaker 07: Clerk. Let us begin by acknowledging,
00:07:02 Speaker 07: with respect, that we are gathered
00:07:04 Speaker 07: on the traditional territory of the
00:07:06 Speaker 02: Anishinaab Nation, the people of known
00:07:08 Speaker 02: of the three fires, known as
00:07:10 Speaker 02: the Ojibwe, Odawa, and Potawatomi nations.
00:07:14 Speaker 02: We give thanks to the Chippewa
00:07:15 Speaker 02: of Sogee and the Chippewa of
00:07:17 Speaker 02: Nawash, collectively known as the Sogee
00:07:19 Speaker 02: Ojibwe Nation, the traditional keepers of
00:07:22 Speaker 02: these lands and waters since time
00:07:24 Speaker 02: immemorial. In our south lies the
00:07:27 Speaker 02: traditional territories of the Six Nations
00:07:29 Speaker 02: of the Grand River and the
00:07:30 Speaker 02: Haudenosaunee. We are dedicated to honouring
00:07:34 Speaker 02: Indigenous history and culture, and committed
00:07:36 Speaker 02: to moving. forward in the spirit
00:07:38 Speaker 02: of truth, reconciliation, and friendship with
00:07:41 Speaker 02: all First Nations, Métis, and Inuit
00:07:44 Speaker 08: people. At this point in time,
00:07:49 Speaker 08: I would like to put out
00:07:50 Speaker 08: a call. If there are any
00:07:51 Speaker 02: declarations of interest, seeing none, we'll
6 Adoption of Minutes
A speaker suggested moving on to the adoption of the minutes and stated that it is recommended that these be adopted, but the excerpt does not record a formal motion, second, or disposition.
00:07:55 Speaker 02: move on to the adoption of
00:07:57 Speaker 02: the minutes. It's recommended that these
6.a County Council and Committee of the Whole minutes dated August 14, 2025
County Council adopted resolutions from the August 14, 2025 minutes after a motion was moved and seconded with no discussion.
00:07:58 Speaker 02: minutes of County Council meeting and
00:08:00 Speaker 02: the committee, the whole meeting, dated
00:08:02 Speaker 02: August fourteenth, twenty twenty-five, and the
00:08:05 Speaker 02: resolutions can. And the resolutions contained
00:08:07 Speaker 02: therein be adopted as presented. May
00:08:08 Speaker 02: I ask for a mover? Moved
00:08:12 Speaker 02: by Councillor Kivney, seconded by Councillor
00:08:16 Speaker 02: Eccles. Any discussion? Seeing none. All
00:08:19 Speaker 02: those in favour? And that motion
8 Reports
The County Council adopted the closed session committee of the whole meeting minutes dated August 14, 2025.
00:08:22 Speaker 02: is carried. Next, item six B.
00:08:24 Speaker 02: It's recommended that the closed session
00:08:25 Speaker 02: committee of the whole meeting minutes,
00:08:28 Speaker 02: dated August fourteenth, twenty twenty-five, be
00:08:31 Speaker 02: adopted as provided. May I ask
00:08:33 Speaker 02: for a mover? Moved by Councillor
00:08:35 Speaker 02: Patters. Moved by Councillor Patterson, seconded
00:08:38 Speaker 02: by Councillor Mackie. Any discussion? All
00:08:40 Speaker 09: those in favour? And that motion
00:08:43 Speaker 02: is carried. We do not have
7 Closed Meeting Matters
A council member asked if there were any closed meeting matters on the agenda before proceeding to reports.
00:08:45 Speaker 02: any close close meeting matters on
00:08:47 Speaker 02: this council agenda, and that allows
00:08:49 Speaker 02: us to go to our reports.
00:08:52 Speaker 02: And we have it's recommended that
8.a Board of Health minutes dated June 27, 2025
Councillor Dicker moved to receive Board of Health minutes from June 27, 2025 for information, and the motion was carried.
00:08:54 Speaker 02: the Board of Health minutes dated
00:08:56 Speaker 02: June twenty seventh, twenty twenty five,
00:08:58 Speaker 02: be received for information. May I
00:09:01 Speaker 02: ask for a mover? Moved by
00:09:06 Speaker 02: Councillor Dicker, seconded. seconded by Councillor
00:09:11 Speaker 02: Dobrine. Any discussion? All those in
00:09:12 Speaker 10: favour? And that motion is carried.
00:09:16 Speaker 10: Thank you. All right. That allows
00:09:17 Speaker 10: us to move on to number
9 By-laws
Council carried a motion to introduce Bylaw 52-48-25, which confirms all actions and proceedings of council, signed by the warden and clerk.
00:09:19 Speaker 02: nine, which is the bylaws. It's
00:09:22 Speaker 02: recommended that bylaw fifty-two forty-eight twenty-five
00:09:31 Speaker 02: be it be introduced. Oh, sorry.
00:09:33 Speaker 02: We just did that. Yes, yes,
00:09:35 Speaker 02: we had it moved by Councillor
00:09:36 Speaker 02: Dickert, I believe, and seconded by
00:09:42 Speaker 02: Councillor Green. So, I no apologies
00:09:43 Speaker 02: necessary. Yes, it's always good to
00:09:45 Speaker 02: make sure that we're covering everything.
00:09:54 Speaker 02: Thank you very much. So, with
00:09:55 Speaker 02: that, yes, so we are going
00:09:57 Speaker 02: to recommend that Bylaw fifty two
00:09:59 Speaker 02: forty eight twenty five be introduced
00:10:01 Speaker 02: and taken. as read a first,
00:10:03 Speaker 02: second, and third time, finally passed,
00:10:04 Speaker 02: signed by the warden and the
00:10:05 Speaker 02: clerk, sealed with the seal of
00:10:07 Speaker 02: the corporation, and engrossed in the
00:10:10 Speaker 02: bylaw book. This is fifty-two forty-eight
00:10:11 Speaker 02: twenty-five, a bylaw to confirm all
00:10:13 Speaker 02: the actions and proceedings of council.
00:10:14 Speaker 02: Deputy warden, would you like to
00:10:22 Speaker 02: move that? Moved by deputy warden.
00:10:27 Speaker 11: May I ask for a seconder?
00:10:30 Speaker 11: Seconded by councillor Eccles. All those
00:10:34 Speaker 11: in favour, and that motion is
00:10:35 Speaker 11: carried. Excellent. So we now move
10 News and Celebrations
Council heard news about the upcoming grand opening of the Grey County Gallery. Director Myers described the eight-year project and invited Council members to an official event next Friday night from six to eight for a tour.
00:10:38 Speaker 11: on to news and celebrations, and
00:10:43 Speaker 11: I think perhaps CAO. I think
00:10:44 Speaker 11: I'm going to call up on
00:10:46 Speaker 11: Director Myers first for some exciting
00:10:48 Speaker 11: news about our Grey County Gallery
00:10:50 Speaker 11: launch event. If you want to
00:10:52 Speaker 11: come forward, Director Myers, to the
00:10:54 Speaker 11: lectern, and and then we'll follow
00:10:58 Speaker 11: up with some updates from Aimo.
00:10:59 Speaker 12: Thank you. Excellent. Thank you, Orden.
00:11:01 Speaker 12: Good morning, County Council. You have
00:11:03 Speaker 13: an invitation on all of your
00:11:06 Speaker 13: desks there for the official grand
00:11:08 Speaker 13: opening of our Gray Gallery. This
00:11:10 Speaker 13: has been an eight-year project that
00:11:12 Speaker 13: has been ongoing. A lot of
00:11:14 Speaker 13: time and effort has gone into
00:11:15 Speaker 13: making sure that we've got something
00:11:18 Speaker 13: for our next twenty years or
00:11:21 Speaker 13: more. Our very final exhibit that
00:11:22 Speaker 13: is put together in this piece
00:11:24 Speaker 13: of the gallery is called Hope.
00:11:25 Speaker 13: So, what a way to end.
00:11:26 Speaker 13: So we would like to invite
00:11:28 Speaker 13: all of you out next Friday
00:11:30 Speaker 13: night from six to eight. There's
00:11:31 Speaker 13: an RSVP on that invitation if
00:11:34 Speaker 13: you're available to come and see
00:11:35 Speaker 13: the gallery. We've got staff to
00:11:36 Speaker 13: be able to take you through
00:11:37 Speaker 13: a tour of it. And if
00:11:39 Speaker 13: you're not available that night, please
00:11:40 Speaker 13: do join us at any time
00:11:41 Speaker 13: to come and see it because
00:11:42 Speaker 13: it really is impressive, and I
00:11:43 Speaker 13: think that we've got longevity out
00:11:44 Speaker 13: of this and a great story
00:11:48 Speaker 13: to tell about Gray County. So
00:11:50 Speaker 13: thank you, thank you very much,
00:11:51 Speaker 13: Director Myers. And with that, I'd
00:11:52 Speaker 13: like to look to the CAO
10.a AMO Conference Roundtable and Delegation Update
Council reviewed a summary of recent AML conference delegations attended by staff and senior leadership, noting successful collaboration with Georgian College and Bruce County on issues including long-term care and community paramedicine. Discussion shifted to the ability for county councillors to attend future delegations, with a speaker requesting clarification on the current process for invitations versus past practices where all councillors were invited. A member highlighted that ministry protocols have become more specific regarding room entry and substitutions, reducing agility compared to previous years. A speaker explained they look to the CAO for direction regarding the duration of involving committee chairs in delegations. The speaker noted a shift in minister requests and difficulty listing all potential council members ahead of time but expressed willingness to explore options for proper representation. They recalled putting forward names based on attendance, usually listing the Warden and Deputy Warden as backups for conflicts. The speaker also mentioned trying to include chairs of certain committees where topics or municipalities are associated, citing a specific instance where Georgian College had its own sound representative attend. Council members discussed attendance policies for AMO delegations, emphasizing that wardens, deputy wardens, or chair representatives should attend to ensure effective messaging to ministry staff and ministers.
00:11:54 Speaker 14: to provide us with a. summary
00:11:57 Speaker 14: to share a summary of the
00:11:59 Speaker 14: AML conference and the delegation update,
00:12:00 Speaker 14: and then we'll open it to
00:12:02 Speaker 14: county council members who were in
00:12:04 Speaker 15: attendance that wish to add any
00:12:06 Speaker 16: extra highlights. Thank you. Well, thank
00:12:09 Speaker 16: you, Warden Matrosov, and good morning,
00:12:10 Speaker 16: Council. So this is our first
00:12:12 Speaker 16: council meeting since the AML conference
00:12:13 Speaker 16: that was held last month. So
00:12:14 Speaker 16: we thought it'd be good to
00:12:15 Speaker 16: do a bit of a recap
00:12:18 Speaker 16: of the conference. The Warden and
00:12:20 Speaker 16: several Great County Councillors and senior
00:12:22 Speaker 16: staff attended the the multi
00:12:24 Speaker 16: day event, including Multi-day event included
00:12:27 Speaker 16: various educational programmeming and opportunities to
00:12:29 Speaker 16: meet with various government representatives. the
00:12:32 Speaker 16: The county put forward four delegation
00:12:33 Speaker 16: requests to various ministries, and we
00:12:36 Speaker 16: were granted all four delegations. The
00:12:38 Speaker 16: first delegation was with Deputy
00:12:41 Speaker 16: Premier Minister of Health Sylvia Jones.
00:12:43 Speaker 16: Delegates discussed community paramedicine funding and
00:12:46 Speaker 16: and reporting, and thanked the minister
00:12:47 Speaker 16: for the recent increases in permanent
00:12:50 Speaker 16: funding support and the significant stability
00:12:53 Speaker 16: that's helped to bring to the
00:12:54 Speaker 16: community. Paramedicine Programme, we ask that
00:12:57 Speaker 16: the Minister consider ensuring that these
00:13:00 Speaker 16: funding programmemes see inflationary supports over
00:13:03 Speaker 16: successive years. Funding for the Community
00:13:05 Speaker 16: Paramedicine Programme comes from two ministries:
00:13:06 Speaker 16: being Long Term Care, as well
00:13:08 Speaker 16: as the Ministry of Health,
00:13:12 Speaker 16: and each stream comes with distinct
00:13:14 Speaker 16: reporting requirements and processes. The delegation
00:13:16 Speaker 16: raised concerns about the duplication of
00:13:17 Speaker 16: reporting requirements to both the Ministry
00:13:20 Speaker 16: of Health and the Ministry of
00:13:22 Speaker 16: Long Term Care. Overall, the the
00:13:24 Speaker 16: meeting with Minister Jones was was
00:13:26 Speaker 16: productive, and the minister really seemed
00:13:28 Speaker 16: to focus on the the duplicate
00:13:30 Speaker 16: reporting issue. So, county staff will
00:13:31 Speaker 16: be following up with ministry staff
00:13:33 Speaker 16: to see if this is something
00:13:37 Speaker 16: that we can work with
00:13:38 Speaker 16: the ministries to streamline those reporting
00:13:42 Speaker 16: requirements. The second delegation was with
00:13:44 Speaker 16: Minister Kusendova-Bashta, Minister of Long Term
00:13:46 Speaker 16: Care. Discussions included the the
00:13:49 Speaker 16: long wait times for vulnerable sector
00:13:51 Speaker 16: screenings, the continuation of residents. The
00:13:53 Speaker 16: continuation of resident support personnel alongside
00:13:56 Speaker 16: PSWs, as well as an update
00:13:58 Speaker 16: on the Rockwood Terrace redevelopment project.
00:14:00 Speaker 16: Delegates also requested clarity on whether
00:14:04 Speaker 16: projects already underway would be eligible
00:14:06 Speaker 16: for the new funding model announced
00:14:08 Speaker 16: in the 2025 regional budget. Further
00:14:09 Speaker 16: clarity was provided by the minister
00:14:12 Speaker 16: and her support staff, and county
00:14:13 Speaker 16: staff will be following up with
00:14:15 Speaker 16: respect to this. Staff are also
00:14:18 Speaker 16: in the process of obtaining more
00:14:19 Speaker 16: information about the new long-term care
00:14:21 Speaker 16: redevelopment. funding model announced by the
00:14:24 Speaker 16: province, and we'll be bringing back
00:14:27 Speaker 16: further information to council regarding this.
00:14:30 Speaker 16: The third delegation was with Minister
00:14:32 Speaker 16: Quinn, Minister of Colleges, Universities, Research
00:14:36 Speaker 16: Excellence, and Security. The discussion focused
00:14:38 Speaker 16: on the financial pressures facing small
00:14:40 Speaker 16: rural college campuses. Delegates advocated for
00:14:44 Speaker 16: sustainable funding and investments in colleges,
00:14:47 Speaker 16: as they they are essential
00:14:49 Speaker 16: rural infrastructure for for our region.
00:14:52 Speaker 16: Ontario colleges are. facing a financial
00:14:54 Speaker 16: crisis. Without stabilization funding and structural
00:14:56 Speaker 16: reform, campuses are at risk. There's
00:14:59 Speaker 16: fewer local training opportunities, would mean
00:15:01 Speaker 16: that fewer skilled workers, which would
00:15:03 Speaker 16: directly impact our businesses and economy.
00:15:06 Speaker 16: The minister was receptive to our
00:15:07 Speaker 16: delegation and understood the importance of
00:15:09 Speaker 16: rural college campuses for workforce development.
00:15:11 Speaker 16: So we'll be continued to work
00:15:14 Speaker 16: with Georgian College and the province
00:15:15 Speaker 16: to continue to underline the importance
00:15:18 Speaker 16: of the Georgian College Owen Sound
00:15:20 Speaker 16: campus. Georgia College-owned campus as a
00:15:22 Speaker 16: key workforce development hub in our
00:15:25 Speaker 16: region. In our last delegation, Gray
00:15:28 Speaker 16: County advocated for a return to
00:15:29 Speaker 16: long-term funding for small business enterprise
00:15:32 Speaker 16: centres, with the Associate Minister Nina
00:15:34 Speaker 16: Tangri of the Ministry of Economic
00:15:36 Speaker 16: Development, Job Creation, and Trade. Gray
00:15:38 Speaker 16: County is home to more
00:15:40 Speaker 16: than thirteen thousand businesses, and ninety-two,
00:15:42 Speaker 16: ninety-nine percent of which are small
00:15:45 Speaker 16: businesses. And the Gray County Business
00:15:47 Speaker 16: Enterprise Centre supports hundreds of entrepreneurs.
00:15:48 Speaker 16: each and every year. Long-term funding
00:15:51 Speaker 16: for our business enterprise centre
00:15:54 Speaker 16: ensures we can continue providing the
00:15:56 Speaker 16: tools and services that help local
00:15:58 Speaker 16: businesses start, grow, and succeed. Associate
00:16:00 Speaker 16: Minister Tangri acknowledged the importance of
00:16:01 Speaker 16: the small business enterprise centres and
00:16:03 Speaker 16: seemed interested in touring the Sydney
00:16:05 Speaker 16: campus, which is where the business
00:16:07 Speaker 17: enterprise centre is located. So we'll
00:16:09 Speaker 17: again be following up with her
00:16:11 Speaker 17: staff and try to arrange a
00:16:13 Speaker 16: tour at some point in the
00:16:15 Speaker 16: near future. In addition to Great
00:16:17 Speaker 16: County. In addition to Grey County
00:16:19 Speaker 16: delegations, I know Ward Matrasov also
00:16:21 Speaker 16: participated in meetings with local municipalities,
00:16:24 Speaker 16: the Western Terre Warden's Caucus, the
00:16:27 Speaker 16: Great Lakes and Saint Lawrence Cities
00:16:29 Speaker 16: Initiative, just to name a few.
00:16:32 Speaker 16: All Grey County delegations were supported
00:16:33 Speaker 16: by Bruce Gray, Ounseau, MPP Paul
00:16:35 Speaker 16: Vickers, and we thanked MPP Vickers
00:16:37 Speaker 16: for attending and supporting all the
00:16:39 Speaker 16: delegation meetings. Members of the Grey
00:16:41 Speaker 16: County team participated in a number
00:16:44 Speaker 16: of other local delegations in areas
00:16:46 Speaker 16: such as local access to primary
00:16:47 Speaker 16: care physicians and. family practitioners, to
00:16:49 Speaker 16: seeking to reduce red tape, and
00:16:52 Speaker 16: with administrative transportation with respect to
00:16:54 Speaker 16: public transit and the Olmstead Harbor.
00:16:56 Speaker 16: And I want to thank Nile,
00:16:58 Speaker 18: Jen Cornell, and Savannah Myers for
00:17:01 Speaker 19: their assistance with the county delegations,
00:17:04 Speaker 19: as well as Rob Hatton and
00:17:05 Speaker 19: Kayla Rye for helping with finalizing
00:17:07 Speaker 19: all the delegation briefs. So that's
00:17:08 Speaker 19: a summary of the email. Excellent,
00:17:10 Speaker 19: thank you, and I'm glad that
00:17:12 Speaker 19: you concluded with the participation of
00:17:14 Speaker 19: our of our senior. staff and
00:17:16 Speaker 19: the way that they're helpful, both
00:17:18 Speaker 19: behind the scenes and preparing the
00:17:19 Speaker 19: applications and the materials, and then
00:17:20 Speaker 19: that those that were able to
00:17:23 Speaker 19: come, I certainly think it does
00:17:24 Speaker 19: it does resonate, makes a difference
00:17:26 Speaker 20: on the other side of the
00:17:30 Speaker 20: table when there are staff members
00:17:32 Speaker 20: that are key key professionals and
00:17:33 Speaker 20: experts in the particular field that
00:17:34 Speaker 20: we're talking about. Because you, Director
00:17:35 Speaker 20: Myers, Director Cornell, and and the
00:17:37 Speaker 20: others, they are the you're the
00:17:38 Speaker 20: ones that they'll want to talk
00:17:39 Speaker 20: to when they want to delve
00:17:41 Speaker 20: further into those topics. so it
00:17:43 Speaker 20: was excellent, and it was also
00:17:45 Speaker 20: wonderful to be able to have
00:17:46 Speaker 20: both our Cao and our Deputy
00:17:47 Speaker 20: Cao, and to be able to
00:17:51 Speaker 20: divide and conquer when necessary. And
00:17:53 Speaker 20: my appreciation to the Deputy Warden
00:17:56 Speaker 20: who was able to help with
00:17:57 Speaker 20: that when there were some conflicting
00:18:00 Speaker 20: presentations to make. And certainly, the
00:18:02 Speaker 20: highlight that I would like to
00:18:04 Speaker 20: share is is the the demonstration,
00:18:07 Speaker 20: which was duly noted by the
00:18:09 Speaker 20: Ministries of the collabourative partnership that
00:18:11 Speaker 20: we have with Georgian College with
00:18:13 Speaker 20: Advantage Ontario by sharing and. presenting
00:18:15 Speaker 20: the the luncheon and also talking
00:18:17 Speaker 20: about the issues for long term
00:18:19 Speaker 20: care at our delegation and the
00:18:22 Speaker 20: counties and that included sitting in
00:18:23 Speaker 20: together with the delegation with Bruce
00:18:25 Speaker 20: County, who continues to be our
00:18:27 Speaker 20: our most sister county and it
00:18:30 Speaker 20: was very much appreciated again by
00:18:30 Speaker 20: the ministry that we could come
00:18:33 Speaker 20: together and talk about issues together
00:18:35 Speaker 20: and certainly that was one of
00:18:36 Speaker 20: the effectiveness of the the Western
00:18:38 Speaker 20: Ontario Wardens Caucus as well to
00:18:40 Speaker 20: be able to speak saying what
00:18:41 Speaker 20: what's what's happening here in Gray
00:18:43 Speaker 20: County is also happening in 15
00:18:45 Speaker 20: counties, so it's worth paying attention
00:18:46 Speaker 20: to and problem solving together. So
00:18:48 Speaker 20: with that, can I just open
00:18:51 Speaker 20: it up for any highlights that
00:18:53 Speaker 20: any other members who are attending?
00:18:54 Speaker 20: So many of you were so
00:18:57 Speaker 20: busy lined up in the hallways
00:18:58 Speaker 20: waiting to give your own municipality
00:19:00 Speaker 20: presentations. A number of you, the
00:19:01 Speaker 20: the chairs of our committees, also
00:19:03 Speaker 21: came along to the Gray County
00:19:06 Speaker 21: delegations. Just is there anything else
00:19:07 Speaker 22: that you'd like to share about
00:19:10 Speaker 22: AMO before I open up news
00:19:11 Speaker 22: and celebrations to? Up and using
00:19:12 Speaker 22: celebrations to all the other wonderful
00:19:14 Speaker 23: things that happen in our municipalities.
00:19:16 Speaker 23: Councillor McLean. Well, thank you, Madam
00:19:17 Speaker 23: President. Good morning, County Council. Just
00:19:18 Speaker 24: in a sense, thank you very
00:19:21 Speaker 24: much for the update on those
00:19:23 Speaker 24: delegations. I think it's very important
00:19:25 Speaker 24: that we all hear the highlights
00:19:27 Speaker 24: of those delegations. I guess the
00:19:28 Speaker 24: question I'm going to raise, and
00:19:31 Speaker 24: I did raise it for the
00:19:33 Speaker 24: Friday before the conference, was the
00:19:36 Speaker 24: ability for County Councillors to attend
00:19:37 Speaker 24: those delegations. In the past, I
00:19:38 Speaker 24: think there was normally an email
00:19:39 Speaker 24: or something went out if you
00:19:42 Speaker 24: wish to attend. certain delegations. That
00:19:44 Speaker 24: because I understand they'd like to
00:19:46 Speaker 24: register those county councillors that would
00:19:47 Speaker 24: like to attend. And I don't
00:19:48 Speaker 24: know if we need a policy
00:19:51 Speaker 24: on that process. I know that
00:19:54 Speaker 24: in the past, I think all
00:19:57 Speaker 24: county councillors were invited to attend
00:19:59 Speaker 24: if they wish. And so I
00:20:00 Speaker 24: don't know if there's any comments
00:20:01 Speaker 24: to that. But I know from
00:20:03 Speaker 24: numbers, I when I was warden,
00:20:05 Speaker 24: I'd be 2020. I know the
00:20:08 Speaker 24: county, the warden's caucus was made
00:20:09 Speaker 24: up of many people. that fill
00:20:12 Speaker 24: the room, so I don't know
00:20:13 Speaker 24: if there's a number, but I
00:20:15 Speaker 24: I do realize that they maybe
00:20:16 Speaker 24: want to know beforehand. But I,
00:20:18 Speaker 24: you know, and and furthermore, I
00:20:19 Speaker 24: know there was a lot of
00:20:20 Speaker 24: communication that came out with regards
00:20:21 Speaker 24: to those attended. Some might ask,
00:20:22 Speaker 24: well, why are the county councillors
00:20:23 Speaker 24: there if they're at the email
00:20:25 Speaker 24: conference? I just think there's a
00:20:26 Speaker 24: there's a I think just think
00:20:29 Speaker 24: there's a process that we need
00:20:31 Speaker 24: to follow through here in the
00:20:33 Speaker 24: sense of policy, and I think
00:20:35 Speaker 24: I know there's a couple I
00:20:36 Speaker 24: might have liked to attend, which
00:20:38 Speaker 24: I wasn't invited, and I look.
00:20:41 Speaker 24: Which I wasn't invited, and I
00:20:42 Speaker 24: looked in past emails from past
00:20:44 Speaker 25: years, and we were invited. So
00:20:46 Speaker 25: anyway, just saying, moving forward, maybe
00:20:48 Speaker 26: we can because there's both Amal
00:20:52 Speaker 26: and Roma itself. I know we're
00:20:54 Speaker 26: busy with our own municipalities, and
00:20:56 Speaker 26: sometimes we have joint delegations as
00:20:56 Speaker 26: well. But I think in the
00:20:58 Speaker 26: past we have had an opportunity
00:20:59 Speaker 26: of those kind of councils attending
00:21:01 Speaker 26: to be present during those delegations
00:21:03 Speaker 26: as well. Thank you, and certainly
00:21:05 Speaker 26: I have noted over the years
00:21:08 Speaker 26: that I have been attending delegations.
00:21:09 Speaker 26: both in the previous term and
00:21:10 Speaker 27: this term. That there has been
00:21:13 Speaker 27: a change from the ministry. They
00:21:14 Speaker 27: are very specific now about who
00:21:15 Speaker 27: is entering the room, and and
00:21:16 Speaker 02: we're less agile. We're less able
00:21:19 Speaker 02: to have people come and then
00:21:22 Speaker 02: people change. It seems to be
00:21:23 Speaker 02: more of a procedure when there
00:21:25 Speaker 02: has to be a substitution. So,
00:21:26 Speaker 02: and I appreciate that they want
00:21:29 Speaker 02: to know that they want to
00:21:32 Speaker 02: have that heads up. So that's
00:21:34 Speaker 02: certainly something that that we we
00:21:36 Speaker 02: have noticed a difference in, and
00:21:37 Speaker 28: and we have been over the
00:21:41 Speaker 16: all look to the CAO. Over
00:21:43 Speaker 16: the, I'll look to the CAO
00:21:45 Speaker 29: for how long we've been doing
00:21:48 Speaker 29: the practice of making sure that
00:21:50 Speaker 29: the committee chairs are involved for
00:21:50 Speaker 30: that specific topic, and and perhaps
00:21:53 Speaker 30: some feedback on when the transition
00:21:55 Speaker 30: may have been and and what
00:21:57 Speaker 30: we can do moving forward in
00:21:59 Speaker 30: terms of policy. For sure, thank
00:22:03 Speaker 30: you, thank you for your comments,
00:22:04 Speaker 30: Councillor McQueen, and and for the
00:22:07 Speaker 30: comments, Warden Matrasovs. I'm of course
00:22:10 Speaker 30: happy to take any further direction
00:22:12 Speaker 30: from Council in terms of how
00:22:14 Speaker 30: to approach this, as the Warden
00:22:17 Speaker 30: indicated. what we've seen is a
00:22:19 Speaker 30: bit of a shift in terms
00:22:20 Speaker 30: of ministers asking. Well, when we're
00:22:22 Speaker 30: submitting our delegation request, even listing
00:22:26 Speaker 30: who's going to be in attendance
00:22:27 Speaker 30: for that, for those sessions, and
00:22:30 Speaker 30: and so it's difficult to obviously
00:22:32 Speaker 30: indicate, you know, all all the
00:22:34 Speaker 30: the council members that potentially could
00:22:35 Speaker 30: be attending those sessions ahead of
00:22:39 Speaker 30: ahead of time. But we're happy
00:22:41 Speaker 30: to explore what other options to
00:22:43 Speaker 30: be able to make. sure that
00:22:44 Speaker 30: we have proper representation around that,
00:22:46 Speaker 30: around those delegations, in order to
00:22:48 Speaker 30: be able to provide the information
00:22:50 Speaker 30: that the the ministers are looking
00:22:52 Speaker 30: for, as well as the what
00:22:54 Speaker 30: we're hoping to try to portray
00:22:55 Speaker 30: to the various ministries. So with
00:22:58 Speaker 30: that, it's yeah. Again, I'm open
00:23:00 Speaker 30: to any direction. I was based
00:23:02 Speaker 30: on the delegation request, the names
00:23:05 Speaker 30: that were put forward. I usually
00:23:07 Speaker 30: put the the or we've been
00:23:11 Speaker 30: doing the the warden, the past,
00:23:13 Speaker 30: the deputy. warden, in case there's
00:23:16 Speaker 30: conflicts, which there usually always is
00:23:17 Speaker 30: some conflicts. So again, a bit
00:23:21 Speaker 30: of a divide and conquer approach.
00:23:24 Speaker 30: We also try to include any
00:23:24 Speaker 30: if there's chairs of certain committees
00:23:26 Speaker 30: where it's associated with a particular
00:23:28 Speaker 31: topic, as well as if there's
00:23:30 Speaker 31: a specific matter that's associated with
00:23:32 Speaker 31: a particular municipality. So, for example,
00:23:34 Speaker 16: Georgian College being an own sound,
00:23:36 Speaker 16: we had an own sound rep
00:23:38 Speaker 16: as well attend for it. Well,
00:23:39 Speaker 16: attend for for that. So that's
00:23:41 Speaker 16: that's how we've been approaching this
00:23:43 Speaker 16: in terms of again we have
00:23:44 Speaker 16: to put these in so far
00:23:47 Speaker 16: advance in terms of delegation requests
00:23:49 Speaker 16: and who's going to be attending
00:23:51 Speaker 16: those. That's how we approached it
00:23:53 Speaker 16: this year and tried to stick
00:23:55 Speaker 16: to a similar process in the
00:23:56 Speaker 16: previous years. But again, happy to
00:23:57 Speaker 16: take any further direction from council
00:24:00 Speaker 16: in terms of how you'd like
00:24:02 Speaker 16: to approach this. I think the
00:24:04 Speaker 16: best practice is to try to
00:24:06 Speaker 16: make sure that the representatives that
00:24:07 Speaker 16: are appearing for the delegation, just
00:24:09 Speaker 16: because when you get to a
00:24:11 Speaker 16: delegation going through the various introductions,
00:24:13 Speaker 16: it takes a bit of time.
00:24:15 Speaker 16: The key is to make
00:24:18 Speaker 16: sure that we're getting the message
00:24:19 Speaker 16: across to the ministry staff and
00:24:21 Speaker 16: to the minister or the associate
00:24:23 Speaker 16: minister in terms of what our
00:24:26 Speaker 32: requests are. So just just putting
00:24:29 Speaker 32: that into context in terms of
00:24:31 Speaker 32: you know who should be in
00:24:32 Speaker 32: attendance for those those sessions. I
00:24:33 Speaker 32: think absolutely it should be at
00:24:35 Speaker 02: least the warden and or deputy
00:24:38 Speaker 33: warden and. and or some chair
00:24:41 Speaker 33: representatives would be staff's recommendation, but
00:24:43 Speaker 34: also happy to take any direction
00:24:47 Speaker 34: further in terms of who else
00:24:48 Speaker 35: should be in attendance in future
00:24:51 Speaker 35: Roma AMO delegations in the in
00:24:52 Speaker 35: the future. Okay, thank you. So
00:24:54 Speaker 35: I'll take that into
00:24:58 Speaker 36: consideration. So I'd like to open
00:25:01 Speaker 36: the floor then for any further
00:25:03 Speaker 36: highlights on AMO before we go
00:25:06 Speaker 36: into other news and celebrations, Councillor
00:25:08 Speaker 36: Body. Thank you. We had
00:25:10 Speaker 36: six delegations, one of them being
00:25:12 Speaker 37: jointly with Hanover on policing, and
00:25:16 Speaker 36: maybe it's I'm going to back
00:25:18 Speaker 36: up. I want to thank everybody
00:25:20 Speaker 36: that that attended with us. So
00:25:24 Speaker 36: we certainly had representation from the
00:25:27 Speaker 36: county and from municipalities, neighbouring municipalities,
00:25:29 Speaker 36: and different different leadership because we
00:25:31 Speaker 36: wanted to show that we're all
00:25:32 Speaker 36: in there. You're absolutely right. That
00:25:34 Speaker 36: was noticed when you go in
00:25:36 Speaker 36: with mayor's deputies, mayors, and representatives
00:25:38 Speaker 36: from different municipalities. all saying this
00:25:41 Speaker 36: is an issue. I found this
00:25:42 Speaker 36: year that the response was different
00:25:45 Speaker 36: from the ministers, and every one
00:25:47 Speaker 36: that we attended was making notes,
00:25:50 Speaker 36: asking questions, wanting to follow up,
00:25:52 Speaker 36: wanting to come to visit. And
00:25:53 Speaker 36: I found that a little bit
00:25:55 Speaker 36: different. And I was talking to
00:25:57 Speaker 36: somebody who works in the Ontario
00:25:58 Speaker 36: government, saying, "Was there a directive
00:26:00 Speaker 36: from the premier's office?" And the
00:26:02 Speaker 36: answer was absolutely not. But they
00:26:04 Speaker 36: found too that there's more of
00:26:05 Speaker 36: us coming in from the municipalities
00:26:07 Speaker 36: with ideas that we're sharing, not
00:26:08 Speaker 36: necessarily asks and demands. And that
00:26:10 Speaker 36: was certainly how we framed everything
00:26:13 Speaker 36: that we went with this year,
00:26:17 Speaker 36: and felt that we got a
00:26:20 Speaker 36: positive response on a lot of
00:26:22 Speaker 36: things. Of course, proof will be
00:26:23 Speaker 36: in the pudding and the outcome
00:26:25 Speaker 36: in the in the coming months
00:26:28 Speaker 36: of whether we move the move
00:26:29 Speaker 36: the line in any way. But
00:26:31 Speaker 36: I found it a really good
00:26:35 Speaker 36: conference. I do note that on
00:26:38 Speaker 36: the sessions, which I didn't get
00:26:40 Speaker 36: to many with the six delegations,
00:26:41 Speaker 36: there was one session in four
00:26:43 Speaker 36: days on homelessness. There were four
00:26:45 Speaker 38: sessions that I counted that had
00:26:49 Speaker 39: the word housing in it, but
00:26:54 Speaker 39: most of them were just talking
00:26:56 Speaker 39: about not necessarily affordable housing, but
00:26:59 Speaker 39: just housing in general and trying
00:27:01 Speaker 39: to get more housing built. I
00:27:03 Speaker 39: found that interesting. With what we
00:27:05 Speaker 39: here on the ground is municipal.
00:27:06 Speaker 39: representatives in our own communities on
00:27:08 Speaker 39: those topics. It seems to be
00:27:11 Speaker 39: a bigger topic, perhaps here than
00:27:13 Speaker 39: it was at AMO, which is
00:27:14 Speaker 39: fascinating. Thank you. Thank you very
00:27:16 Speaker 39: much. And other AMO highlights. Okay.
00:27:19 Speaker 39: Well, I think the CEO provided
00:27:21 Speaker 39: us with an excellent review, and
00:27:23 Speaker 39: certainly they there were more delegations
00:27:26 Speaker 39: than ever. We were hearing 800
00:27:28 Speaker 39: different presentations and delegations were made
00:27:30 Speaker 39: because it was not just. to
00:27:32 Speaker 39: the ministers, but also to ministry
00:27:34 Speaker 39: staff as well, or the parliamentary
00:27:36 Speaker 39: assistant. So we did. We at
00:27:38 Speaker 39: one point in time, we actually
00:27:39 Speaker 39: presented to our MPP Vickers and
00:27:41 Speaker 39: his role in agriculture. So it
00:27:42 Speaker 39: was very good to see. I
00:27:44 Speaker 39: I did attend a total of
00:27:46 Speaker 39: sixteen delegations, and thank very much
00:27:47 Speaker 39: the municipalities that invited me to
00:27:50 Speaker 39: attend, so that we could understand
00:27:51 Speaker 39: the the the connections and the
00:27:53 Speaker 39: way that we could support the
00:27:56 Speaker 39: lower tier in in what the.
00:27:57 Speaker 39: Here in in what the asks
00:27:59 Speaker 39: were, and and also had to
00:28:00 Speaker 39: turn down a number because of
00:28:04 Speaker 39: the conflicts. So it was very
00:28:05 Speaker 39: good to see. Didn't see much
00:28:07 Speaker 39: of the programme, but that's okay
00:28:08 Speaker 40: because as I explained to people
00:28:12 Speaker 40: who are looking from the outside
00:28:13 Speaker 40: in, this is a key aspect
00:28:14 Speaker 40: of of both Ama and Roma.
00:28:15 Speaker 40: This is not just an aside.
00:28:16 Speaker 40: This isn't this isn't a distraction
00:28:19 Speaker 40: from the main event. This is
00:28:20 Speaker 40: actually part of the main event
00:28:21 Speaker 40: to be able to have that
00:28:22 Speaker 40: face to face time and use
00:28:23 Speaker 40: exquisite. Use exquisitely the ten minutes
00:28:26 Speaker 40: that you have, and allow enough
00:28:27 Speaker 41: time for the minister to ask
00:28:29 Speaker 41: questions back to be able to
00:28:31 Speaker 41: to you know make it make
00:28:33 Speaker 41: it the one that they put
00:28:35 Speaker 41: the dog ear on the top
00:28:38 Speaker 41: of and say we've got to
00:28:39 Speaker 41: follow up on this one. So
00:28:40 Speaker 42: certainly, time is of the advantage
00:28:44 Speaker 42: in each and every one of
00:28:46 Speaker 42: those, but the very crucial ten
00:28:47 Speaker 42: minutes that you have in front
00:28:49 Speaker 43: of the ministry at that point
00:28:52 Speaker 43: in time. Okay, so let's open
00:28:54 Speaker 44: it up to other news and
00:28:57 Speaker 44: celebrations. Then from the municipalities, this
00:28:58 Speaker 44: certainly has been a wonderful. fall
00:29:00 Speaker 44: fair season thus far, and there
00:29:01 Speaker 44: are more to come. But so
00:29:05 Speaker 44: news and celebrations, things that are
00:29:07 Speaker 44: coming up that you'd like to
00:29:09 Speaker 44: share. We'll go to Councillor Carleton.
00:29:11 Speaker 44: Thank you, Warden Matress Johnson. Good
00:29:13 Speaker 44: morning, County Council. This is not
00:29:15 Speaker 44: something that's coming up; it's something
00:29:16 Speaker 44: that happened this past Tuesday evening
00:29:18 Speaker 45: and at Grave Roots, where Georgian
00:29:21 Speaker 46: Bluffs held our Connect and Collabourate
00:29:24 Speaker 46: for residents to come in, ask
00:29:26 Speaker 47: questions. So, with the new waste
00:29:29 Speaker 47: management system. coming in, there were
00:29:32 Speaker 47: a lot of questions about that.
00:29:33 Speaker 47: Questions about roads, about planning. The
00:29:36 Speaker 47: Owensend Library joined us, and we're
00:29:38 Speaker 47: quite pleased with the response that
00:29:40 Speaker 47: they got from people. So, as
00:29:43 Speaker 47: a facility to use, I'm really
00:29:44 Speaker 47: glad that Cree Roots is within
00:29:45 Speaker 47: Georgian Bluffs because it's a perfect
00:29:47 Speaker 47: spot for us. So, thank you.
00:29:50 Speaker 47: Thank you very much, and we'll
00:29:51 Speaker 47: go to Councillor Kibany. Thank you,
00:29:54 Speaker 47: Warden Matrasovs, and good morning, County
00:29:56 Speaker 47: Council and everyone. I just wanted
00:29:57 Speaker 47: to share that our annual Scarecrow
00:30:00 Speaker 47: Invasion is in full swing in
00:30:03 Speaker 47: Miford. Hundreds of scarecrows, handmade by
00:30:04 Speaker 47: volunteers, are adorning our lamp posts
00:30:06 Speaker 47: and decorating businesses and our municipal
00:30:09 Speaker 47: facilities. So it's always fun to
00:30:10 Speaker 47: come out and see what the
00:30:12 Speaker 47: theme is this year, which is
00:30:14 Speaker 47: actually just scarecrows. So there's a
00:30:17 Speaker 47: real variety of characters around Miford.
00:30:19 Speaker 47: The family festival and parade is
00:30:21 Speaker 47: October the third this year, so
00:30:23 Speaker 47: they're a huge attraction. Come out
00:30:25 Speaker 47: and see. Attraction come on out
00:30:27 Speaker 48: and see. There's an apple pie
00:30:29 Speaker 48: tasting contest and lots of activities
00:30:31 Speaker 48: for kids. And also, as if
00:30:32 Speaker 48: that's not enough, we've got a
00:30:34 Speaker 48: myth happening, our Miford International Film
00:30:35 Speaker 49: Festival, another annual event. And this
00:30:39 Speaker 50: is taking place from the 18th
00:30:41 Speaker 51: to the 21st of September with
00:30:46 Speaker 36: six films, three dinners, and three
00:30:50 Speaker 36: parties. This year's dinners are provided
00:30:54 Speaker 36: by Franny's Mercato, Lovebird, and the
00:30:57 Speaker 36: Dam Pub. And this is a
00:30:59 Speaker 36: fundraiser by our Miford Culture Foundation,
00:31:01 Speaker 36: and those proceeds all go back
00:31:02 Speaker 36: into support, capital, and programmeming at
00:31:04 Speaker 36: Meadford Hall. So check out the
00:31:06 Speaker 36: brochure. I've got one with me.
00:31:10 Speaker 36: If anybody wants to take a
00:31:11 Speaker 36: peek at what's happening, and hopefully
00:31:12 Speaker 36: we'll see some of you at
00:31:14 Speaker 36: Meadford Hall. Thanks so much. Thank
00:31:15 Speaker 36: you. And next we'll go to
00:31:17 Speaker 36: Councillor Body. Thank you. This weekend
00:31:20 Speaker 36: is we host in the area
00:31:20 Speaker 36: Canada's biggest premier motoring festival. Year
00:31:24 Speaker 36: motoring festival with the Concord to
00:31:25 Speaker 36: elegance. I think it's the tenth
00:31:27 Speaker 36: year. It's pretty special event. Friday
00:31:28 Speaker 36: they'll be touring some of the
00:31:31 Speaker 36: some of the cars over to
00:31:32 Speaker 36: Wharton and no doubt down Gray
00:31:34 Speaker 36: County Road One with those great
00:31:36 Speaker 36: hills and views. Wonder if they'll
00:31:38 Speaker 36: be going up. Some of them
00:31:40 Speaker 36: don't have the best brakes. Anyway,
00:31:41 Speaker 36: that's beside the point. Saturday we've
00:31:43 Speaker 36: got cars and copies starting on
00:31:47 Speaker 36: Main Street and on Sound, which
00:31:51 Speaker 36: is classic cars in the area.
00:31:52 Speaker 36: Some of the cars from the
00:31:54 Speaker 36: Concorde come to come to it,
00:31:56 Speaker 52: running a little bit later, but
00:31:58 Speaker 53: during the day, same day, in
00:32:01 Speaker 53: front of the Legion as the
00:32:02 Speaker 53: Concorde lemons. That is so much
00:32:05 Speaker 53: fun. That's where you get really
00:32:07 Speaker 53: creative stuff, rusty stuff, anything that
00:32:08 Speaker 53: if you think about it as
00:32:09 Speaker 53: being the anti-car show, this is
00:32:11 Speaker 53: this is it. People put a
00:32:13 Speaker 36: lot of creativity into into their
00:32:17 Speaker 36: vehicles, and they're painted differently, and
00:32:19 Speaker 36: sometimes look like a golf green.
00:32:22 Speaker 54: Really, really neat. fun stuff, and
00:32:24 Speaker 54: everyone has fun, and the winners
00:32:26 Speaker 36: win cans of spam and different
00:32:29 Speaker 36: things. So it's it's just so
00:32:31 Speaker 36: much fun. At the Roxy, are
00:32:33 Speaker 36: two seminars that pretty neat, and
00:32:34 Speaker 36: you get a lot of really
00:32:37 Speaker 36: neat history. This year, I don't
00:32:44 Speaker 36: have the name, but it is
00:32:45 Speaker 55: the son of the person that
00:32:49 Speaker 55: brought Ferrari racing to North America,
00:32:50 Speaker 55: and he's going to tell the
00:32:52 Speaker 56: the family stories and everything that
00:32:54 Speaker 36: goes with that. Jo Villeneuve's wife,
00:32:57 Speaker 36: Jock Villeneuve's mother, is well. Doc
00:33:00 Speaker 36: Villanueva's mother is one of the
00:33:04 Speaker 36: speakers, which is really cool. I
00:33:07 Speaker 36: can't remember what the other seminar
00:33:10 Speaker 36: is, but look it up if
00:33:12 Speaker 36: you're into cars. These two seminars
00:33:17 Speaker 36: will be pretty amazing, and then
00:33:21 Speaker 36: of course the big show is
00:33:24 Speaker 36: Sunday out at Cobble Beach in
00:33:26 Speaker 36: in Georgetown Bluffs, outside the city
00:33:27 Speaker 36: of On Sound. Still, Jesus, I
00:33:29 Speaker 36: didn't get I didn't get a
00:33:30 Speaker 36: reaction to that. If you if
00:33:32 Speaker 36: you haven't been to the Concord
00:33:34 Speaker 57: Elegance, you have to go. All
00:33:37 Speaker 57: the proceeds are going to Sunnybrook
00:33:38 Speaker 58: Hospital and the Bright Shores Health
00:33:41 Speaker 36: Systems. Sunnybrook, of course, is doing
00:33:43 Speaker 36: the little tie-in using the isotopes
00:33:45 Speaker 36: coming out of Bruce Power and
00:33:47 Speaker 36: doing research and doing treatment with
00:33:48 Speaker 36: them. So it's nice to have
00:33:51 Speaker 36: that connection between here, Sunnybrook, and
00:33:53 Speaker 36: and. Brook and and our own
00:33:56 Speaker 36: hospital here that has cancer treatment.
00:33:58 Speaker 36: These are the most special cars
00:34:02 Speaker 36: in the world. A couple years
00:34:04 Speaker 36: ago, I joked with one of
00:34:05 Speaker 36: the joke. No, a couple of
00:34:06 Speaker 36: years ago, stupidly, I said to
00:34:07 Speaker 36: one of the owners about the
00:34:09 Speaker 36: the chrome on his car, and
00:34:11 Speaker 36: he lost it on me. It
00:34:12 Speaker 36: was silver from such and such
00:34:14 Speaker 59: a mine in Sweden because chrome
00:34:17 Speaker 60: wasn't invented until 1934, and this
00:34:21 Speaker 60: was 1918. He had the entire
00:34:22 Speaker 39: history of the car had only
00:34:26 Speaker 39: been owned by three different people.
00:34:27 Speaker 39: It had ostrich skin seats. It
00:34:28 Speaker 61: won the first Concours. Like these
00:34:31 Speaker 61: are really really amazing pieces of
00:34:33 Speaker 62: art. And even if you're not
00:34:36 Speaker 62: into them, historic cars. Bill Gates
00:34:38 Speaker 62: Porsche is going to be there.
00:34:41 Speaker 62: He brought it over from Europe,
00:34:44 Speaker 62: but couldn't get approved to be
00:34:47 Speaker 62: in the streets for 10 or
00:34:51 Speaker 62: 12 years. Ridiculous amount of time.
00:34:54 Speaker 62: So some pretty special cars are
00:34:56 Speaker 62: going to be there. So encourage
00:35:00 Speaker 62: everyone to. come up to North
00:35:02 Speaker 62: Gray and and enjoy the two
00:35:05 Speaker 62: days of the motoring festival. Thanks.
00:35:08 Speaker 62: Thank you. And are there any
00:35:11 Speaker 62: other music celebrations? Looking around the
00:35:13 Speaker 62: room, we'll go over to Councillor
00:35:17 Speaker 62: Dobrin, and then we'll go to
00:35:20 Speaker 62: Councillor Eccles after that. Thank you,
00:35:22 Speaker 62: and good morning, Warden, County Council,
00:35:25 Speaker 62: and guests. I did want to
00:35:26 Speaker 62: give a shout out to the
00:35:28 Speaker 62: Dundalk Fall Fair that held its
00:35:33 Speaker 62: 168th. 68th annual fall fair on
00:35:35 Speaker 63: this past weekend, but due to
00:35:39 Speaker 63: Mother Nature not cooperating, the first
00:35:41 Speaker 64: ever drone light display had to
00:35:44 Speaker 64: be postponed. And I wanted to
00:35:46 Speaker 64: extend an invitation to all to
00:35:48 Speaker 64: attend that drone light display show
00:35:51 Speaker 64: in Feversham at the Feversham Fall
00:35:55 Speaker 65: Fair this Friday evening. It admission
00:35:57 Speaker 64: is free, and it is being
00:36:01 Speaker 64: brought. to the Feversham Fall Fair
00:36:07 Speaker 64: at the Osprey Community Centre, compliments
00:36:12 Speaker 64: of the Dundalk Agricultural Society. So,
00:36:14 Speaker 64: big shout out to all of
00:36:17 Speaker 64: the volunteers that participated over this
00:36:19 Speaker 64: past weekend, and we look forward
00:36:23 Speaker 64: to the light show that will
00:36:26 Speaker 64: grace the the Fall Fair in
00:36:27 Speaker 64: Feversham. Thank you, and we'll go
00:36:29 Speaker 64: to Councillor Eccles. Thank you, Madam
00:36:32 Speaker 64: Warden. And speaking of fall fairs,
00:36:34 Speaker 64: the Newstead Fall Fair is on
00:36:38 Speaker 64: September 20th to 21st. Getting near
00:36:41 Speaker 64: the end of the fall fair
00:36:44 Speaker 64: season, we save the best to
00:36:46 Speaker 64: last for certain. And would like
00:36:49 Speaker 64: to say that there was a
00:36:52 Speaker 64: function held in Newstead at the
00:36:54 Speaker 64: brewery a week ago last Friday.
00:36:55 Speaker 64: They had a a lot of
00:36:57 Speaker 64: crafters. Friday Night Lights is what
00:37:02 Speaker 66: they called it, and it caused
00:37:05 Speaker 64: a major traffic jam in Newstead,
00:37:10 Speaker 67: as there was over 2,000 attendees,
00:37:13 Speaker 67: and parking was certainly at a
00:37:15 Speaker 67: premium. But the function, and if
00:37:17 Speaker 67: you get a chance, they are
00:37:19 Speaker 67: putting on a on a another
00:37:20 Speaker 67: programme there for Octoberfest. I believe
00:37:22 Speaker 67: it's the first weekend of. October,
00:37:23 Speaker 50: that they're going to host that
00:37:26 Speaker 50: and the reclamation of the brewery
00:37:28 Speaker 50: and the continuing of it. I
00:37:30 Speaker 50: noticed that the deputy mayor of
00:37:32 Speaker 50: Hanover was able to find his
00:37:34 Speaker 50: way down. I won't comment on
00:37:35 Speaker 68: how he got home, but obviously
00:37:47 Speaker 68: he was very well because he's
00:37:48 Speaker 68: here again today. So a fabulous
00:37:49 Speaker 02: show and congratulations to the owners
00:37:53 Speaker 02: of the brewery. We owners of
00:37:54 Speaker 02: the brewery, we're promoting Gray County
00:37:55 Speaker 02: tremendously. Thank you. Anyone else? Come
00:37:59 Speaker 02: out of the room and look
00:38:02 Speaker 02: on the screen. Okay, great. That
00:38:05 Speaker 02: concludes our news and celebrations. And
00:38:07 Speaker 02: so, with that, I would like
00:38:08 Speaker 02: to ask for a motion to
00:38:09 Speaker 02: adjourn. May I ask for a
00:38:12 Speaker 02: mover? Moved by Councillor Patterson. Seconded,
00:38:13 Speaker 02: oh, by Councillor Nielsen. Online. Any
00:38:15 Speaker 02: discussion? All those in favour? And
00:38:16 Speaker 69: we are so adjourned. We will
00:38:21 Speaker 39: take a moment to switch over
00:38:26 Speaker 39: the. technology and begin our agenda
00:38:28 Speaker 39: with the committee of the whole.
00:38:31 Speaker 39: Thank you.
00:38:41 Speaker 39: Thank you.
00:38:52 Speaker 39: I'd like
00:39:03 Speaker 70: to now call to order this
00:39:05 Speaker 70: committee of the whole of September
00:39:07 Speaker 70: 11th, 2025. And at this point
00:39:08 Speaker 70: in time, I'll ask for this
00:39:09 Speaker 70: agenda. Are there any declarations of
00:39:11 Speaker 71: interest? Seeing no hands raised, we'll
00:39:13 Speaker 71: move on. Business arising for minutes,
00:39:15 Speaker 71: and with that, we will begin.
00:39:16 Speaker 71: With we have two delegations this
00:39:18 Speaker 71: morning. The first one is going
00:39:19 Speaker 71: to be from Bright Shores Foundation,
00:39:20 Speaker 71: and it is the one-year update.
00:39:21 Speaker 71: And so, I would like to
00:39:24 Speaker 71: invite our presenters to come forward
00:39:25 Speaker 71: at this point in time. And
00:39:27 Speaker 71: the clerks will provide assistance with
00:39:29 Speaker 72: the lecter and Mike. And I
00:39:32 Speaker 72: understand you have a presentation. So
00:39:33 Speaker 72: make sure you're all set up.
00:39:35 Speaker 73: Okay. Yes. Good morning, Warden and
00:39:37 Speaker 73: members of Council. We're really delighted
00:39:39 Speaker 73: to be here this morning. My
00:39:40 Speaker 73: name is Amy McKinnon, and I'm
00:39:45 Speaker 73: the CEO of the Bright Shores
00:39:46 Speaker 73: Foundation. With me today is Naomi
00:39:49 Speaker 73: Vodden, who's the director of mental
00:39:52 Speaker 73: health and addictions programme at Bright
00:39:53 Speaker 73: Shores, and Ann Ford is here
00:39:55 Speaker 73: as well, and she's the CEO
00:39:57 Speaker 73: of Bright Shores, and she'll join
00:40:00 Speaker 73: us up here at towards the
00:40:02 Speaker 73: end of our presentation. Today, we're
00:40:04 Speaker 73: here for a couple reasons. First
00:40:05 Speaker 73: of all, we're very grateful for
00:40:08 Speaker 73: the million dollars. commitment from the
00:40:11 Speaker 73: County of Bruce to the Wellness
00:40:13 Speaker 73: and Recovery Centre, and we just
00:40:14 Speaker 73: recently celebrated our one-year anniversary in
00:40:16 Speaker 73: June of having clients in the
00:40:18 Speaker 74: building. So we're here today to
00:40:51 Speaker 75: share with you some of the
00:40:54 Speaker 75: successes of the one-year anniversary, and
00:40:56 Speaker 75: just to further share with you,
00:40:58 Speaker 75: this model of care was grown
00:41:00 Speaker 75: here out of Brightshore staff. So
00:41:02 Speaker 75: this model of care that was
00:41:03 Speaker 76: developed for the Wellness and Recovery
00:41:07 Speaker 77: Centre for treating mental health addictions
00:41:10 Speaker 77: is now being modeled across the
00:41:12 Speaker 77: province. There's 19 facilities across the
00:41:16 Speaker 77: province that are going to be
00:41:18 Speaker 77: built, and Naomi and her team
00:41:19 Speaker 77: have had many tours and discussions
00:41:22 Speaker 77: with these other municipalities that are
00:41:23 Speaker 77: having being built these committee. So
00:41:26 Speaker 77: I am going to hand it
00:41:28 Speaker 77: over to Naomi, who's going to
00:41:30 Speaker 77: share with you more about the
00:41:33 Speaker 77: facility and the successes after the
00:41:36 Speaker 77: first year. Okay. Good morning. Thank
00:41:40 Speaker 77: you for inviting us today, and
00:41:42 Speaker 77: a really big echo of Amy's
00:41:44 Speaker 77: words. Thank you for the funding
00:41:46 Speaker 77: for this project. It's been very
00:41:48 Speaker 77: exciting. I'm going to try to
00:41:50 Speaker 77: lean forward here. I'm too short.
00:41:52 Speaker 77: So, as Amy indicated, the facility's
00:41:54 Speaker 77: been open for a year,
00:41:57 Speaker 77: from June, and we've had just
00:42:00 Speaker 77: really exciting successes. So, just to
00:42:02 Speaker 77: recap for those of you who
00:42:04 Speaker 77: don't remember or are new. just
00:42:07 Speaker 77: some of the services that we
00:42:10 Speaker 77: have. So we have a three-week
00:42:12 Speaker 77: detox programme, more traditionally called detox,
00:42:14 Speaker 77: but we call it withdrawal management.
00:42:16 Speaker 77: We have a 90-day treatment programme,
00:42:19 Speaker 77: and we have long-term supportive stabilization
00:42:21 Speaker 77: for up to 10 patients, clients,
00:42:25 Speaker 77: and they can stay up to
00:42:31 Speaker 77: a year. We also have community
00:42:33 Speaker 78: addiction programmemes. We have a lot
00:42:35 Speaker 78: of walk-in services every day. Clients
00:42:37 Speaker 78: can attend a walk-in if they're
00:42:39 Speaker 79: To walk in if they're just
00:42:44 Speaker 79: feeling ready and want to connect,
00:42:46 Speaker 79: we have community mental health programmemes
00:42:48 Speaker 79: as well, and walk-in and outpatient
00:42:51 Speaker 79: leisure recreation programmemes. We have our
00:42:53 Speaker 79: injection and clozapine clinics, which are
00:42:56 Speaker 79: our main tools for stabilizing long-term
00:42:59 Speaker 79: mental health patients. We have peer
00:43:00 Speaker 79: and family support, which we've really
00:43:02 Speaker 79: had some great success with. Our
00:43:06 Speaker 79: family members are really grateful for
00:43:09 Speaker 79: an opportunity to connect with a
00:43:12 Speaker 79: worker, especially when their family member.
00:43:14 Speaker 79: And their family member is not
00:43:16 Speaker 79: quite ready for treatment. We've had
00:43:17 Speaker 79: some great partnerships, and the meals
00:43:21 Speaker 79: in in are provided by CMHA.
00:43:23 Speaker 79: And I just wanted to highlight
00:43:25 Speaker 79: one of the clients that I
00:43:27 Speaker 79: just got an email about today.
00:43:31 Speaker 79: And this was a patient that
00:43:34 Speaker 79: was homeless and from Neahshinuming, and
00:43:36 Speaker 79: he's been followed by SOS when
00:43:38 Speaker 79: he's in. this area, he's been
00:43:40 Speaker 79: followed by our crisis teams, M
00:43:41 Speaker 79: Hart through CMHA and M Cert
00:43:43 Speaker 79: through our hospital programmemes. By OPP,
00:43:45 Speaker 79: by Owen Sound Police. Let's see
00:43:48 Speaker 79: if I'm missing anyone because there
00:43:49 Speaker 79: is a lot of people involved.
00:43:51 Speaker 79: Our merged departments and I got
00:43:52 Speaker 79: an email today from OPP just
00:43:54 Speaker 79: stating how grateful they were that
00:43:58 Speaker 79: this the I would say the
00:44:00 Speaker 79: Wellness Centre along with the SOS
00:44:02 Speaker 79: team, have been working so well
00:44:04 Speaker 79: together and providing an opportunity to
00:44:06 Speaker 79: collabourate and a central hub to
00:44:07 Speaker 79: collabourate. And that this individual now
00:44:10 Speaker 79: has finished their treatment programme at
00:44:12 Speaker 79: the wellness centre and is moving
00:44:14 Speaker 79: into their next stage of of
00:44:16 Speaker 79: housing. So this person was very
00:44:18 Speaker 79: unstable, very unwell, and I really
00:44:20 Speaker 79: think it's a collabourative between all
00:44:22 Speaker 79: of our partners. But I would
00:44:24 Speaker 79: say with the hub with SOS
00:44:27 Speaker 79: and the Wellness and Recovery Centre.
00:44:31 Speaker 79: We've seen this great success. So
00:44:33 Speaker 79: in terms, so that's more the
00:44:36 Speaker 79: people part of the success, but
00:44:39 Speaker 79: we also have the numbers part
00:44:41 Speaker 79: of the success. And so I've
00:44:44 Speaker 79: got the chart here, and so
00:44:49 Speaker 79: initially on this chart, what we
00:44:51 Speaker 80: saw is one of the metrics
00:44:56 Speaker 79: we track track is our thirty
00:44:59 Speaker 79: day readmits to our emerge departments,
00:45:02 Speaker 79: because we know that this is
00:45:06 Speaker 79: not the best place for mental
00:45:09 Speaker 79: health and addiction clients in the
00:45:12 Speaker 79: emerge. so we track that to
00:45:15 Speaker 79: try to make sure that we're
00:45:18 Speaker 79: diverting them once they come in
00:45:20 Speaker 79: to emerge. And so, what we've
00:45:21 Speaker 79: seen over the last five years
00:45:24 Speaker 79: is, well, on this chart, 30%
00:45:26 Speaker 79: reduction. But we just got updated
00:45:28 Speaker 79: data, and it stated 65% reduction
00:45:29 Speaker 79: in ED visit that return rate.
00:45:33 Speaker 79: So, some really great successes because
00:45:35 Speaker 79: we know that this provides an
00:45:37 Speaker 79: opportunity for our patients and. clients
00:45:40 Speaker 79: to get faster access to the
00:45:42 Speaker 79: emergent department for other issues, and
00:45:44 Speaker 79: also more appropriate access to services
00:45:47 Speaker 79: for our mental health and addiction
00:45:50 Speaker 79: clients. So to highlight, we have
00:45:51 Speaker 79: fifty eight percent of our clients
00:45:53 Speaker 79: from Grey County. We have being
00:45:55 Speaker 79: a Ontario wide programme. We've developed
00:45:58 Speaker 79: a triaging system. Develop a triaging
00:46:01 Speaker 79: system so individuals from Indigenous are
00:46:05 Speaker 79: ranked on the triage sheet first,
00:46:07 Speaker 79: and people from Grey Bruce are
00:46:09 Speaker 79: second. So our waitlist did go
00:46:10 Speaker 79: up. We were taking people from
00:46:12 Speaker 79: outside of the area on our
00:46:15 Speaker 79: waitlist, but with these this triage
00:46:17 Speaker 79: in place, we weren't able to
00:46:19 Speaker 79: really accommodate them, and our waitlist
00:46:22 Speaker 79: grew up to 65 people, which
00:46:24 Speaker 79: wasn't really so really able to
00:46:27 Speaker 79: accommodate. So what we've done is
00:46:29 Speaker 79: we've we've held off on even
00:46:33 Speaker 79: taking the intakes from people outside
00:46:34 Speaker 79: Grapers, and so our wait list
00:46:36 Speaker 79: now is 45 individuals. But we've
00:46:37 Speaker 79: developed a really creative model in
00:46:39 Speaker 79: which those people that are on
00:46:43 Speaker 79: the wait list can come in
00:46:45 Speaker 79: for day programmeming if they're from
00:46:48 Speaker 79: Owen Sound. They can have access
00:46:49 Speaker 79: to a tablet, and they can
00:46:51 Speaker 79: have have remote access to programmeming
00:46:54 Speaker 79: while they're waiting. And we've developed.
00:46:57 Speaker 79: a partnership with our crisis support
00:46:59 Speaker 79: programme, which is off the emerge,
00:47:01 Speaker 79: to take two people that are
00:47:06 Speaker 79: on the wait list that are
00:47:10 Speaker 79: more acute. We've also prioritized people
00:47:13 Speaker 79: that SOS wants to bring in,
00:47:18 Speaker 79: and so we've gone to over
00:47:19 Speaker 79: capacity to flex beds just for
00:47:21 Speaker 79: the people that OS SOS want
00:47:23 Speaker 79: to to to bring in to
00:47:25 Speaker 79: ensure that it's a very complex
00:47:28 Speaker 79: patient population that SOS serves. And
00:47:31 Speaker 79: we really, when they have that
00:47:33 Speaker 79: moment that they want service, we
00:47:37 Speaker 79: wanted to give them a bed,
00:47:38 Speaker 79: even if we were full. So
00:47:41 Speaker 79: we've done thirty-three out, thirty-three thousand
00:47:43 Speaker 79: outpatient visits from June to June,
00:47:46 Speaker 79: which is really quite remarkable, and
00:47:49 Speaker 79: that's a lot of groups, a
00:47:51 Speaker 79: lot of virtual, a lot of
00:47:52 Speaker 79: in-person, and what else can I
00:47:55 Speaker 79: highlight? Thirty-one at the end of
00:47:58 Speaker 79: June, thirty-one patients that were homeless
00:48:00 Speaker 79: prior to going into the programme
00:48:03 Speaker 79: have stable. housing, and so 202
00:48:05 Speaker 79: clients had finished their individualized treatment
00:48:08 Speaker 79: programme. Recognizing that everyone has different
00:48:10 Speaker 79: goals and objectives. Well, just for
00:48:12 Speaker 81: those who you haven't been there,
00:48:15 Speaker 79: you're always welcome to reach out
00:48:18 Speaker 79: for a tour. This is the
00:48:19 Speaker 79: picture of the outside facility. It's
00:48:21 Speaker 79: on 615 Sixth Street A East,
00:48:23 Speaker 79: kind of by the Longmeadow. The
00:48:25 Speaker 79: Longmire Quay Building. It's in the
00:48:27 Speaker 79: old Baby School. This is a
00:48:29 Speaker 79: treatment room, just to give you
00:48:32 Speaker 79: an idea. Just a note: the
00:48:36 Speaker 79: quilts on the beds. So we
00:48:38 Speaker 79: were just really lucky that our
00:48:40 Speaker 79: Quilting Guild donated quilts and ongoing
00:48:43 Speaker 79: quilts to our programme, and this
00:48:45 Speaker 79: just lovely touch just makes it
00:48:47 Speaker 79: feel so much more warm and
00:48:48 Speaker 79: welcoming and less institutional. There's just
00:48:53 Speaker 79: the two-bedroom room. We were. Bedroom
00:48:55 Speaker 79: room. We were originally just doing
00:48:56 Speaker 79: single rooms, and we've changed some
00:48:57 Speaker 79: of those rooms over to double
00:48:59 Speaker 79: rooms in order to optimize our
00:49:02 Speaker 79: space and to ensure we can
00:49:07 Speaker 79: treat as many patients as possible.
00:49:08 Speaker 79: Wanted to highlight this: we have
00:49:12 Speaker 79: a very strong committee that is
00:49:14 Speaker 79: from our clients, and we really
00:49:16 Speaker 79: want to empower them to have
00:49:17 Speaker 79: some control over their life because
00:49:20 Speaker 79: the addiction has had control in
00:49:22 Speaker 79: their life. So we have a
00:49:25 Speaker 79: strong social committee. This group meets
00:49:28 Speaker 79: every Thursday with the staff to
00:49:31 Speaker 79: both address their problems, concerns, and
00:49:33 Speaker 79: and look to improve the programme,
00:49:36 Speaker 79: and as well to plan social
00:49:38 Speaker 79: activities. As one client has said,
00:49:41 Speaker 79: their whole world has been focused
00:49:46 Speaker 79: on their addiction. So how do
00:49:48 Speaker 79: you go now to having a
00:49:52 Speaker 79: healthy social life? This is a
00:49:54 Speaker 79: picture of the Oasis. It's just
00:49:58 Speaker 79: a group room where they can
00:49:59 Speaker 79: do a lot. of arts and
00:50:02 Speaker 79: crafts activities. Again, really trying to
00:50:06 Speaker 79: develop the whole, the whole self.
00:50:08 Speaker 79: The gym, again, just just reminding
00:50:10 Speaker 79: people that our lives are full
00:50:12 Speaker 79: of social and recreation opportunities. And
00:50:14 Speaker 79: clients who have had an addiction
00:50:17 Speaker 79: for many years haven't had those
00:50:19 Speaker 79: developed. So we have a very
00:50:20 Speaker 79: fulsome programme. All of the staff
00:50:22 Speaker 79: have really jumped in. Community partners
00:50:23 Speaker 79: have jumped in. We have even
00:50:26 Speaker 79: a. secretary doing line dancing on
00:50:28 Speaker 79: her noon hour breaks, and we
00:50:30 Speaker 79: have really close relationships with our
00:50:32 Speaker 79: indigenous community. We have an elder
00:50:35 Speaker 79: that comes up twice a week—one,
00:50:36 Speaker 79: one, two different elders—and they do
00:50:38 Speaker 79: group and individual counseling. They provide
00:50:41 Speaker 79: this service to anyone who wants
00:50:42 Speaker 79: it. Actually, not just indigenous. We
00:50:45 Speaker 79: just finished the. Finish the sweat
00:50:47 Speaker 79: lodge, and the fire pit area,
00:50:48 Speaker 79: and I think we've done three,
00:50:52 Speaker 79: maybe four sweats by now. One
00:50:54 Speaker 79: of our non-Indigenous clients made a
00:50:56 Speaker 79: point of telling us that even
00:50:58 Speaker 79: though our that he thought our
00:51:01 Speaker 79: programme was really helpful, really wonderful,
00:51:03 Speaker 79: and had lots to good to
00:51:04 Speaker 79: say, he said it's nothing compared
00:51:06 Speaker 79: to going to this sweat. So
00:51:07 Speaker 79: he was non-Indigenous, went to the
00:51:09 Speaker 79: sweat, and said, "I just had
00:51:11 Speaker 79: so many in." Said I just
00:51:14 Speaker 79: had so many insights into myself
00:51:15 Speaker 79: from going to that sweat, and
00:51:18 Speaker 79: here's just another picture. It's kind
00:51:19 Speaker 79: of neat those stones that you
00:51:22 Speaker 79: see under. On the flip side
00:51:24 Speaker 79: of the stones are positive messages
00:51:25 Speaker 79: written by all the clients because
00:51:28 Speaker 79: the clients work with our indigenous
00:51:30 Speaker 79: partners to build this area. So
00:51:33 Speaker 79: what's next? We're working with the
00:51:35 Speaker 79: Bright Shores Research Institute, and we're
00:51:36 Speaker 79: doing an evaluation just to, not
00:51:40 Speaker 82: just give you these numbers, to
00:51:42 Speaker 82: but really quantify the outcome. The
00:51:43 Speaker 82: outcomes. We're almost done our kitchen.
00:51:45 Speaker 82: No, we're almost done our roof.
00:51:46 Speaker 82: Our kitchen has just started, so
00:51:48 Speaker 82: we've been working hard on workarounds
00:51:49 Speaker 82: with CMHA to provide food services
00:51:51 Speaker 82: for our building. So it will
00:51:52 Speaker 83: be lovely to have the finished
00:51:55 Speaker 83: kitchen for CMHA to work
00:51:58 Speaker 83: out of, and for our clients
00:52:01 Speaker 83: to learn again how to prepare
00:52:03 Speaker 83: a meal and how to, yeah,
00:52:05 Speaker 83: maybe maybe even more than prepare
00:52:07 Speaker 83: a meal. They may be interested
00:52:08 Speaker 83: in food services, and we want
00:52:11 Speaker 83: to do it in time. We
00:52:12 Speaker 84: want to do in time some
00:52:15 Speaker 85: more work on our beautiful property,
00:52:17 Speaker 85: so we're working on just a
00:52:19 Speaker 85: site plan, so we can. As
00:52:20 Speaker 85: we all noted, I think in
00:52:22 Speaker 85: earlier conversations here today, lots of
00:52:23 Speaker 85: funding challenges, but maybe in time,
00:52:25 Speaker 85: there's a small community project that
00:52:26 Speaker 86: can take part of the grounds.
00:52:29 Speaker 86: So this we actually found on
00:52:31 Speaker 86: Google, so it didn't come to
00:52:33 Speaker 86: us directly. So I'll just read
00:52:35 Speaker 87: it. I spent five and a
00:52:40 Speaker 87: half months there, and I'm beyond
00:52:41 Speaker 88: grateful to. the staff and clients.
00:52:45 Speaker 88: It is a programme that you
00:52:47 Speaker 88: can honestly give your life back
00:52:49 Speaker 88: if you put the work in.
00:52:50 Speaker 88: The recovery workers, counselors, facilitators, bubble
00:52:51 Speaker 89: staff—that's the withdrawal management part. Custodians,
00:52:56 Speaker 90: the secretary Crystal, the nurse practitioner
00:52:59 Speaker 91: Robin, and the managers Amy and
00:53:02 Speaker 91: Director Naomi—and I'm sure I missed
00:53:03 Speaker 91: some—are just amazing humans and truly
00:53:06 Speaker 91: treat you like a friend. They
00:53:07 Speaker 91: are rooting for. I am celebrating
00:53:09 Speaker 91: six months of sobriety today. I
00:53:10 Speaker 91: get emotional easy when I hear
00:53:12 Speaker 91: these stories. and I wouldn't be
00:53:15 Speaker 92: able to do that without every
00:53:19 Speaker 92: single person in that building. Please,
00:53:21 Speaker 92: if you're struggling with addictions and
00:53:23 Speaker 92: live in the Gravest region, reach
00:53:26 Speaker 92: out. There is help in life
00:53:29 Speaker 92: after addiction. It's wonderful, and I
00:53:30 Speaker 92: would be remiss to not just
00:53:34 Speaker 92: highlight the work that SOS does
00:53:36 Speaker 92: in collabouration with the Wellness Centre.
00:53:40 Speaker 93: It really is a fulsome partnership.
00:53:43 Speaker 93: Is there any questions for Naomi,
00:53:44 Speaker 93: or do we have time for
00:53:46 Speaker 79: questions? I'll put it out for
00:53:50 Speaker 79: questions, but please don't apologize. It
00:53:52 Speaker 79: just demonstrates the dedication that you
00:53:54 Speaker 79: have to your role and the
00:53:56 Speaker 79: impact that you're making in people's
00:53:58 Speaker 94: lives. Any questions at this point
00:54:00 Speaker 94: in time? We'll go to Councillor
00:54:02 Speaker 94: Greg. Thank you very much for
00:54:04 Speaker 94: the presentation here this afternoon. I
00:54:05 Speaker 94: do have one question. You've got
00:54:06 Speaker 94: a great partnership established with Fresh
00:54:08 Speaker 79: Roots, and we know in town,
00:54:10 Speaker 79: Fresh Roots has been able to
00:54:12 Speaker 79: leverage community gardens well. across this
00:54:15 Speaker 79: country, we have vast amounts of
00:54:18 Speaker 79: underutilised space which exists in schools.
00:54:20 Speaker 95: And I'm just wondering, being an
00:54:23 Speaker 95: old public school, is like community
00:54:25 Speaker 95: garden or gardening facility something that
00:54:26 Speaker 95: you have evaluated or may look
00:54:28 Speaker 95: at in the future terms of
00:54:30 Speaker 95: an opportunity to kind of introduce
00:54:31 Speaker 95: fresh produce and enhance that that
00:54:33 Speaker 95: lively kitchen production area? You've got
00:54:35 Speaker 95: plans for? it. Yes, it's definitely
00:54:41 Speaker 95: on the plan. On the original
00:54:42 Speaker 95: plan, we had a greenhouse as
00:54:44 Speaker 96: well as gardens. Obviously, we have
00:54:47 Speaker 96: to really apply to different ministries
00:54:49 Speaker 96: for that kind of funding. But
00:54:50 Speaker 96: that is one of the projects,
00:54:52 Speaker 96: even the gardens that we envision
00:54:54 Speaker 96: the community could jump in and
00:54:56 Speaker 97: use. So we wanted the site
00:54:59 Speaker 98: plan so that we didn't just
00:55:01 Speaker 99: start putting a garden here and
00:55:04 Speaker 99: a garden there, and then maybe
00:55:05 Speaker 99: you know take up the space
00:55:07 Speaker 99: for the greenhouse vision. So. House
00:55:08 Speaker 99: vision, so it's a very important
00:55:10 Speaker 99: part of our project, and we
00:55:12 Speaker 99: see it also providing food for
00:55:13 Speaker 99: the facility. So it's like right
00:55:15 Speaker 99: now they we have two OT
00:55:17 Speaker 99: leisure aides, we call them occupational
00:55:18 Speaker 100: therapy leisure aides, and they are
00:55:22 Speaker 79: doing some small scale gardening. But
00:55:25 Speaker 101: that is one of the items
00:55:32 Speaker 101: that we look forward to in
00:55:33 Speaker 101: the future, and certainly partnerships are
00:55:35 Speaker 101: the way to go there because
00:55:37 Speaker 102: we don't have that expertise at
00:55:40 Speaker 102: all. Okay, I'll just look around.
00:55:42 Speaker 103: We'll go to Councillor Kevney, and
00:55:46 Speaker 104: then over to Councillor Patterson. Thank
00:55:49 Speaker 104: you, Madam Warden. I just wanted
00:55:51 Speaker 104: to share that last night I
00:55:52 Speaker 104: had the privilege at a board
00:55:54 Speaker 104: meeting to hear a presentation from
00:55:56 Speaker 79: Lavender Lille, who I know works
00:55:58 Speaker 79: with your organisation, and she talked
00:56:00 Speaker 79: to us as a board about
00:56:01 Speaker 79: how to approach someone in crisis
00:56:05 Speaker 79: should they come into that particular
00:56:06 Speaker 105: building, and I just found it
00:56:09 Speaker 79: really valuable, and I just. as
00:56:12 Speaker 79: a thought, wondered at at some
00:56:13 Speaker 79: point, perhaps that training perhaps could
00:56:14 Speaker 79: come to County Council because we
00:56:16 Speaker 79: never know in our own lives
00:56:18 Speaker 79: when we might be in a
00:56:19 Speaker 79: circumstance like that. So I'll just
00:56:21 Speaker 79: leave that with you. Lavin is
00:56:23 Speaker 79: one of our managers in that
00:56:30 Speaker 79: health and wonderful resource. So yeah.
00:56:32 Speaker 79: Okay, Councillor Patterson. Thank you, Warden.
00:56:33 Speaker 41: Good morning, County Council, and thank
00:56:36 Speaker 41: you for the presentation. I wonder
00:56:38 Speaker 41: if you could speak to staffing,
00:56:39 Speaker 41: the complement, like how many staff
00:56:42 Speaker 41: are on site daily. I don't
00:56:43 Speaker 41: know why it keeps kicking off,
00:56:46 Speaker 41: but we have over sixty staff
00:56:48 Speaker 41: there. So we moved our mental
00:56:50 Speaker 41: health teams there as well. So
00:56:51 Speaker 41: we had the addiction programme, which
00:56:53 Speaker 106: I believe is about thirty-two staff,
00:56:56 Speaker 106: and numbers are not my strong
00:56:58 Speaker 106: point to remember, but I believe
00:56:59 Speaker 106: it's around thirty-two and sixty some.
00:57:01 Speaker 106: So. work there because we moved
00:57:03 Speaker 107: over some mental health teams. We're
00:57:05 Speaker 107: really we're trying to merge. In
00:57:07 Speaker 107: in historically, mental health and addictions
00:57:08 Speaker 107: were very separate, and we know
00:57:10 Speaker 107: I think we all know here
00:57:12 Speaker 108: intuitively they belong together. And so
00:57:15 Speaker 108: we were trying to do that
00:57:16 Speaker 108: by moving our mental health programmemes
00:57:17 Speaker 108: in, and as well, there's cost
00:57:19 Speaker 108: savings and really great synergies. Okay,
00:57:21 Speaker 109: and it's not you; it's only
00:57:23 Speaker 109: one mic. Be on it. Only
00:57:26 Speaker 109: one mic can be on at
00:57:27 Speaker 109: at one time, so so don't
00:57:29 Speaker 109: worry, we we've got it. Technology
00:57:31 Speaker 109: is trying to control us, but
00:57:33 Speaker 109: we're we're in control of the
00:57:35 Speaker 109: technology. Any other questions before we
00:57:37 Speaker 109: move on to the next part
00:57:39 Speaker 109: of the presentation? I do not
00:57:41 Speaker 109: see any further hands up. Good,
00:57:43 Speaker 109: so I think we're ready to
00:57:44 Speaker 109: progress. So I'm going to turn
00:57:46 Speaker 109: my mic off so that you
00:57:48 Speaker 109: can turn yours on. There we
00:57:52 Speaker 109: go. Good morning, everyone. I'm Anne
00:57:55 Speaker 109: for the president CEO of Brightshores.
00:57:56 Speaker 109: My apologies, I'm. moving a little
00:57:57 Speaker 109: bit slower today because I had
00:57:59 Speaker 109: the pleasure of meeting some of
00:58:03 Speaker 109: the Gray County paramedics about seven
00:58:05 Speaker 109: weeks ago when I broke both
00:58:09 Speaker 109: of my ankles at my home.
00:58:11 Speaker 109: It was fabulous. Anyway, I'm up
00:58:14 Speaker 109: and running and moving. But today
00:58:16 Speaker 109: is not about me. It's about
00:58:18 Speaker 109: you and and to thank you
00:58:21 Speaker 109: for everything that you've done for
00:58:23 Speaker 109: the Wellness Centre, but also just
00:58:25 Speaker 109: for Brightshore's Health System, the AMO.
00:58:27 Speaker 109: We were we were very happy
00:58:30 Speaker 109: to be asked to be providing
00:58:31 Speaker 109: some input into some of the
00:58:33 Speaker 109: documentation of Some of the documentation
00:58:35 Speaker 109: that went forward. I know you
00:58:37 Speaker 109: were all talking about healthcare at
00:58:39 Speaker 109: AMOS, so we really appreciate that
00:58:40 Speaker 109: advocacy because it's a frontline advocacy
00:58:42 Speaker 109: for all of us, and really
00:58:43 Speaker 109: solidifies what we're trying to bring
00:58:47 Speaker 109: forward to the provincial government as
00:58:49 Speaker 109: we try to move this forward.
00:58:52 Speaker 109: The other thing I'm here for
00:58:55 Speaker 109: today is to ask you for
00:58:56 Speaker 109: your participation in our next strategic
00:58:58 Speaker 109: plan. So we are in the
00:59:00 Speaker 109: process. We're in the very last
00:59:01 Speaker 109: year of our current strategic plan.
00:59:05 Speaker 109: So we're kicking off in October
00:59:07 Speaker 109: with engagement, both internal and external
00:59:11 Speaker 109: engagement, through the months of October
00:59:12 Speaker 109: and November, to speak to anyone
00:59:14 Speaker 109: and everyone we can across the
00:59:18 Speaker 109: region around their healthcare, what they
00:59:20 Speaker 109: think we're doing well, what we're
00:59:21 Speaker 109: not doing well, but actually then
00:59:22 Speaker 109: provide us with feedback. So one
00:59:23 Speaker 109: of the first groups we want
00:59:24 Speaker 109: to talk to is you, as
00:59:27 Speaker 109: you represent all of the residents
00:59:30 Speaker 109: and businesses within your communities, it
00:59:32 Speaker 109: would be great to get some
00:59:36 Speaker 109: feedback from you on what you're
00:59:37 Speaker 109: thinking and what's happening in your
00:59:39 Speaker 109: communities and where things are going.
00:59:41 Speaker 109: We know we are, you know,
00:59:42 Speaker 109: we've known this unfortunately for 20
00:59:44 Speaker 109: years, but we all know we're
00:59:46 Speaker 109: going to be living with an
00:59:48 Speaker 109: increased seniors population. That seniors population
00:59:50 Speaker 109: is going to drive needs, more
00:59:51 Speaker 110: needs for lots of community-based and
00:59:54 Speaker 111: social services and healthcare. We're already
00:59:57 Speaker 111: starting to see the impact of
00:59:58 Speaker 111: chronic disease, and it's not just
00:59:59 Speaker 111: one; it's multiples of chronic disease
01:00:00 Speaker 111: of folks coming into our ER
01:00:04 Speaker 111: and being admitted. So, having that
01:00:06 Speaker 111: really round view of what's happening
01:00:09 Speaker 111: within your communities, I heard long-term
01:00:12 Speaker 111: care mentioned. I know we're already,
01:00:14 Speaker 111: you know, working with Gray on
01:00:16 Speaker 111: on some other things. So, from
01:00:17 Speaker 111: your perspective, would be great. So,
01:00:19 Speaker 111: you also know though, as we
01:00:21 Speaker 111: go out to talk to the
01:00:23 Speaker 111: community, I know we're we're going
01:00:26 Speaker 111: to be in Owen Sound. There's
01:00:27 Speaker 111: a community event sometime where you're
01:00:29 Speaker 111: bringing in community social programmemes. We
01:00:31 Speaker 111: will be there, asking our our
01:00:33 Speaker 111: direct community some questions and just
01:00:35 Speaker 111: getting feedback. So if you have
01:00:37 Speaker 111: things happening within your communities, I
01:00:39 Speaker 111: know our communications department will be
01:00:41 Speaker 111: reaching out to everyone. We'd like
01:00:43 Speaker 111: to put up a table and
01:00:45 Speaker 111: just have some you know general
01:00:47 Speaker 111: conversations. There's no presentation per se.
01:00:49 Speaker 111: It's just asking folks what they
01:00:51 Speaker 111: think and where we're going. This
01:00:52 Speaker 111: will be a five year plan.
01:00:54 Speaker 111: This will be a five-year plan.
01:00:56 Speaker 111: So we are looking at the
01:00:58 Speaker 111: data. We're finding out what our
01:01:00 Speaker 111: patients are going to look like.
01:01:01 Speaker 111: We know the populations are going
01:01:02 Speaker 111: to be growing, and it's not
01:01:03 Speaker 111: just about our large, first centre
01:01:07 Speaker 111: here in Owen Sound. It's about
01:01:09 Speaker 111: the Markdale, about Meaford, and our
01:01:12 Speaker 111: other partner hospitals that are in
01:01:15 Speaker 111: Bruce County. How are we managing?
01:01:16 Speaker 111: How are we looking at that
01:01:17 Speaker 111: regional system to manage the stroke
01:01:18 Speaker 111: that comes in from Lionshead? and
01:01:19 Speaker 112: I know that that's Bruce County,
01:01:22 Speaker 112: but that comes in from Lionshead.
01:01:23 Speaker 112: And finally, I'll finish off with
01:01:25 Speaker 112: a shout out to Naomi and
01:01:27 Speaker 112: her team for mental health. The
01:01:29 Speaker 112: Addictions Wellness and Treatment Centre is
01:01:30 Speaker 111: one piece. You may know we
01:01:33 Speaker 111: also have a large component of
01:01:34 Speaker 111: inpatient beds, both geriatric and inpatient
01:01:35 Speaker 113: beds for mental health here at
01:01:38 Speaker 113: Owen Sound. We have some pediatric
01:01:39 Speaker 114: beds, not enough. We're advocating for
01:01:43 Speaker 114: a couple more pediatric beds because
01:01:44 Speaker 41: the only pediatric mental health beds
01:01:47 Speaker 41: other than he. Health beds, other
01:01:49 Speaker 41: than here in London, so you
01:01:50 Speaker 115: can imagine trying to get one
01:01:53 Speaker 115: a pediatric patient. So we're looking
01:01:54 Speaker 115: more at adolescent. We're working very
01:01:56 Speaker 115: closely with Keystone on their their
01:01:57 Speaker 115: children's mental health. But shout out
01:01:57 Speaker 115: to that. But also, I need
01:02:01 Speaker 115: I can't I'd be remiss if
01:02:02 Speaker 116: I don't shout out to all
01:02:05 Speaker 116: of our staff and physicians. The
01:02:06 Speaker 116: summer has been busy. We know
01:02:08 Speaker 116: our our seasonal folks come in,
01:02:09 Speaker 117: and we're getting ready for surge
01:02:12 Speaker 117: season. Hopefully, the flu is not
01:02:13 Speaker 117: too bad this year. So shout
01:02:16 Speaker 24: out to all of these folks.
01:02:19 Speaker 24: They all live in our communities.
01:02:20 Speaker 24: They do one hell of a
01:02:21 Speaker 24: job. It's amazing the dedication that
01:02:23 Speaker 24: they put into their roles. So
01:02:26 Speaker 24: I'll stop there. But really looking
01:02:28 Speaker 24: forward to talking to you more,
01:02:30 Speaker 24: both at this session and we
01:02:32 Speaker 24: will be reaching out individually to
01:02:34 Speaker 24: your offices to see if there's
01:02:35 Speaker 24: anything happening in your communities where
01:02:36 Speaker 24: we can just talk to folks.
01:02:37 Speaker 118: So thank you. I'm happy to
01:02:40 Speaker 118: take it. There's any questions? I
01:02:42 Speaker 118: know. Thank you very much. And
01:02:44 Speaker 118: so, are there any questions for
01:02:46 Speaker 118: either? CEO Ford or CEO McKinnon,
01:02:47 Speaker 118: as well with the presentation. We'll
01:02:49 Speaker 118: go to Councillor McQueen. Thank you,
01:02:50 Speaker 118: Madam Warden. Good morning, Anne. And
01:02:52 Speaker 119: I didn't recognize you coming in
01:02:55 Speaker 119: the door. I didn't think you
01:02:57 Speaker 119: were. I didn't know who was
01:02:58 Speaker 119: in the Walker. So I apologize
01:03:00 Speaker 119: for that. Yeah, I, I will
01:03:02 Speaker 119: say, like, just as a small
01:03:04 Speaker 120: part, we in Great Highlands had
01:03:07 Speaker 120: the Ram Roadier for the last
01:03:08 Speaker 120: five years, but also the presence
01:03:10 Speaker 120: presence of the hospital foundation, and
01:03:12 Speaker 121: it's. I think it has been
01:03:15 Speaker 121: quite useful to have that. ability
01:03:17 Speaker 121: for people to understand what that
01:03:18 Speaker 121: type of equipment is used for,
01:03:20 Speaker 122: or whatever, and that's what they
01:03:23 Speaker 122: were very good at. That I
01:03:25 Speaker 123: will say. The other part is
01:03:27 Speaker 123: from not to speak too much
01:03:28 Speaker 123: on it, but are all our
01:03:28 Speaker 123: gate receipts or profits went to
01:03:31 Speaker 123: the hospital foundation? And somebody would
01:03:32 Speaker 123: say, "Wow, it seems a little
01:03:34 Speaker 124: bit of expensive for the," and
01:03:36 Speaker 124: then it was said, "Well, it's
01:03:37 Speaker 124: all going to the hospital." Okay,
01:03:39 Speaker 125: so that part of fundraising and
01:03:48 Speaker 109: raising funds for the hospital is.
01:03:50 Speaker 109: that sweet spot that we all
01:03:51 Speaker 109: know we need, and it that
01:03:52 Speaker 109: just sort of pushes it over
01:03:54 Speaker 109: the top. So, it's it's a
01:03:57 Speaker 109: it's a balanced approach when when
01:03:59 Speaker 109: you're when you're raising funds. But
01:04:02 Speaker 109: everybody needs healthcare, and it just
01:04:03 Speaker 109: seems to be that I don't
01:04:05 Speaker 109: want to call it sacred cow,
01:04:07 Speaker 109: but it just everybody understands the
01:04:09 Speaker 109: need. And when it comes to
01:04:11 Speaker 109: fundraising and stuff like that, people
01:04:13 Speaker 109: give. And but it's also important
01:04:14 Speaker 109: on the education, and I will
01:04:16 Speaker 109: say on that part, having a
01:04:19 Speaker 109: table at those fund. Table at
01:04:20 Speaker 109: those fun those functions is an
01:04:22 Speaker 109: opportunity for yourselves and others to
01:04:24 Speaker 109: communicate what it's all about and
01:04:25 Speaker 109: why the funds are so important.
01:04:26 Speaker 109: For and I can't remember all
01:04:27 Speaker 109: the unique utensils they would have
01:04:28 Speaker 109: on that table, but they're pretty
01:04:30 Speaker 109: expensive, right? And and they have
01:04:32 Speaker 109: to be in it because they
01:04:33 Speaker 109: have to be top notch quality.
01:04:35 Speaker 109: But again, it just seemed to
01:04:37 Speaker 68: be that win win and that
01:04:46 Speaker 68: communication of just explaining that was
01:04:47 Speaker 68: was so beneficial in that part.
01:04:48 Speaker 68: So I think that's a good
01:04:49 Speaker 68: part to keep moving forward on.
01:04:51 Speaker 68: Thank you for that, because I
01:04:52 Speaker 126: know that the foundations, you know,
01:04:55 Speaker 127: Amy's here, known and sound, but
01:04:58 Speaker 127: we also have four other foundations
01:04:59 Speaker 127: at our other facilities that do
01:05:01 Speaker 128: raise money for us, and it's
01:05:05 Speaker 128: an incredible impact to what we
01:05:06 Speaker 128: are available to do. I think
01:05:08 Speaker 128: one of the things, you know,
01:05:09 Speaker 128: I'm here representing our hospitals. There's
01:05:10 Speaker 128: a whole community of healthcare that
01:05:12 Speaker 129: happens outside the hospital. and you
01:05:15 Speaker 130: know, even as we look at
01:05:17 Speaker 130: the strategy, how are we starting
01:05:18 Speaker 130: to? We already partner, but how
01:05:20 Speaker 130: are we starting to look more
01:05:21 Speaker 130: towards our community partners to help
01:05:22 Speaker 130: us keep patients out of the
01:05:23 Speaker 130: hospital? No one wants to be
01:05:25 Speaker 130: in a hospital. No one. I
01:05:29 Speaker 130: mean, it's it's one of those
01:05:30 Speaker 130: things. It's not like you're going
01:05:31 Speaker 130: to a hotel and having a
01:05:33 Speaker 130: good time. No one wants to
01:05:34 Speaker 109: be there. We are a necessity,
01:05:37 Speaker 109: but what do we need to
01:05:42 Speaker 109: do in the future to help
01:05:44 Speaker 109: people stay healthy so they're out
01:05:46 Speaker 109: of our hospitals? They'll always be.
01:05:47 Speaker 109: needed. Oh, I gotta shut my.
01:05:51 Speaker 109: Just to follow up to that,
01:05:52 Speaker 109: Madam Ward, and I just—I know
01:05:54 Speaker 109: if people have been listening to
01:05:55 Speaker 109: the radio last couple days, but
01:05:58 Speaker 109: there's been a new ad programme
01:05:59 Speaker 109: out talking about prevention and a
01:06:00 Speaker 109: new type of getting testing and
01:06:02 Speaker 109: stuff like that. Is that relatively
01:06:04 Speaker 109: new? Has anybody heard it recently?
01:06:06 Speaker 109: It's talking about early screening and
01:06:08 Speaker 109: and and there's like five. And
01:06:15 Speaker 131: and there's like 500 things that
01:06:18 Speaker 132: you can get checked out that
01:06:21 Speaker 133: about cancer and that kind of
01:06:24 Speaker 133: stuff. It just it's a whole
01:06:25 Speaker 133: new campaign that's that's out there.
01:06:27 Speaker 133: I found it's quite it's preventive
01:06:29 Speaker 133: preventiveness or early part of detect
01:06:30 Speaker 133: detection. And I just wonder if
01:06:31 Speaker 133: that's a new campaign from the
01:06:33 Speaker 133: Ministry of Health. But I just
01:06:34 Speaker 134: I've noticed that in this past
01:06:38 Speaker 134: week there seems to be some
01:06:39 Speaker 134: ads, which makes sense. I don't
01:06:41 Speaker 134: know if you have any comment
01:06:42 Speaker 134: to that. There is going to
01:06:44 Speaker 134: be more of a push on
01:06:45 Speaker 134: prevention and screening. So I think
01:06:46 Speaker 134: everyone knows you know there's already
01:06:48 Speaker 134: screening. for colon cancer, and there's
01:06:49 Speaker 134: breast screening, and the Ontario breast
01:06:51 Speaker 134: screening guidelines now have reduced the
01:15:47 Speaker 20: age down to 40 for women
01:15:50 Speaker 20: to to actually come in for
01:15:52 Speaker 20: mammograms, which is fantastic.
01:16:55 Speaker 20: The cancer
01:17:26 Speaker 20: rates in younger people are growing
01:17:28 Speaker 20: for certain things like colon cancer
01:17:30 Speaker 20: in younger, and we're talking people
01:17:31 Speaker 20: in their 30s and 40s. So
01:17:33 Speaker 20: there's another push on that, but
01:17:35 Speaker 20: there there is going to be
01:17:37 Speaker 20: more of a push from the
01:17:39 Speaker 20: ministry and through our OH. And
01:17:40 Speaker 20: through our OHTs around prevention, and
01:17:43 Speaker 20: how might you be able to
01:17:46 Speaker 20: to get some some of the
01:17:48 Speaker 20: tests, etc., to the community? Okay,
01:17:50 Speaker 20: thank you. Any other questions, Madam
01:17:52 Speaker 20: Clerk? Anything online? I don't have
01:17:53 Speaker 20: my screen. There we go. Okay,
01:17:55 Speaker 20: great. Well, that looks like that's
01:17:57 Speaker 20: the conclusion of the questions. We
01:18:00 Speaker 20: appreciate all three of you coming
01:18:01 Speaker 20: today and providing the update, and
01:18:04 Speaker 20: certainly that. And certainly, there are
01:18:06 Speaker 20: lots of good news in what
01:18:07 Speaker 20: you're able to share with us
01:18:08 Speaker 20: this morning. Thank you very much.
01:18:12 Speaker 20: Okay, thank you. So, at this
01:18:13 Speaker 20: point in time, the clerks have
01:18:17 Speaker 20: requested we take a brief break
01:18:18 Speaker 20: between our delegations. So, what we'll
01:18:21 Speaker 20: do is we'll take our our
01:18:23 Speaker 135: mid morning break at this point
01:18:26 Speaker 135: in time, and if we could
01:18:27 Speaker 135: come back, let's try to make
01:18:29 Speaker 135: it back by eleven ten, and
01:18:31 Speaker 135: we'll carry on from there. Thank
01:18:33 Speaker 135: you very much. I'll just encourage
01:18:35 Speaker 135: our county council members to start
01:18:37 Speaker 135: coming back forward to their positions.
01:18:39 Speaker 135: Thank you. Okay, so. looks like
01:18:41 Speaker 135: we have our quorum back here.
01:18:45 Speaker 135: Now I can announce that we
01:18:47 Speaker 135: are actually not going to be
01:18:49 Speaker 135: entertaining item 4B. That delegation has
01:18:50 Speaker 135: been postponed to a future meeting,
01:18:54 Speaker 135: so we'll bring them back at
01:18:55 Speaker 135: another time. That allows us to
01:18:56 Speaker 135: move to item 5, which is
01:18:58 Speaker 135: our determination of of items requiring
01:19:00 Speaker 135: separate discussion. There are five
01:19:02 Speaker 135: different items under the consent agenda
01:19:06 Speaker 135: this this today. So I'm going
01:19:07 Speaker 135: to ask for the items that
01:19:08 Speaker 135: wish to be pulled, and then
01:19:09 Speaker 135: we'll move the motion to look.
01:19:11 Speaker 135: after the rest of them. Anything
01:19:13 Speaker 135: through items six A through six
01:19:15 Speaker 135: E that any member wishes to
01:19:17 Speaker 135: pull for a separate discussion.
01:19:20 Speaker 135: Councillor Greg. Thank you for
01:19:22 Speaker 135: the opportunity. I have six B
01:19:25 Speaker 135: that I do have a question
01:19:27 Speaker 135: related to, so I'd like to
01:19:31 Speaker 136: pull it, please. Okay, so that's
01:19:34 Speaker 136: six B. Any others? Okay, not
01:19:36 Speaker 136: seeing any hands online or
01:19:38 Speaker 14: here around the horseshoe. So with
01:19:41 Speaker 14: without six B, it is recommended
01:19:43 Speaker 14: that the following consent agenda items.
01:19:45 Speaker 14: be received, and that staff be
01:19:47 Speaker 14: authorised to take actions necessary to
01:19:49 Speaker 14: give effect to the recommendations in
01:19:51 Speaker 14: the staff reports, and that the
01:19:56 Speaker 14: correspondence be supported or received for
01:19:58 Speaker 14: information as recommended in the consent
01:19:59 Speaker 14: agenda. May ask for a mover
01:20:01 Speaker 14: and a seconder. Moved by the
01:20:02 Speaker 137: deputy ordnance, seconded by Councillor Dicker.
01:20:05 Speaker 137: And any discussion. All those in
01:20:08 Speaker 137: favour. That motion is carried, and
01:20:09 Speaker 137: we will revisit item six B
01:20:11 Speaker 137: at the end of our agenda.
01:20:13 Speaker 137: Okay, so now we'll go on
01:20:14 Speaker 137: to the items that are scheduled
01:20:16 Speaker 137: for discussion. That is Section Seven.
01:20:18 Speaker 137: The first one that we have
01:20:20 Speaker 137: is Item Seven A: Planning and
01:20:21 Speaker 137: Economic Development Advisory Committee Meeting Minutes.
01:20:24 Speaker 137: And Director Myers, do you'd like
01:20:26 Speaker 137: to speak to that? Let me
01:20:27 Speaker 137: get the motion on the floor
01:20:29 Speaker 137: for you, and then offer you
01:20:31 Speaker 137: the lectern to speak. So, with
01:20:33 Speaker 137: that, then it's recommended that the
01:20:35 Speaker 137: county of the county of planning
01:20:36 Speaker 137: and that the county planning and
01:20:38 Speaker 137: economic development advisory committee meeting minutes
01:20:41 Speaker 137: dated August seventh, twenty twenty five,
01:20:42 Speaker 137: be adopted as presented, and the
01:20:44 Speaker 137: following resolutions contained therein be endorsed.
01:20:46 Speaker 137: That report E D T C
01:20:47 Speaker 137: P E D A C zero
01:20:49 Speaker 137: eight twenty five regarding Economic Development
01:20:51 Speaker 137: Tourism and Culture Strategic Progress Report
01:20:52 Speaker 137: August twenty twenty five be received
01:20:54 Speaker 137: for information. May I ask for
01:20:55 Speaker 137: a mover and a seconder? I've
01:20:58 Speaker 137: got it moved by Councillor Hutchinson,
01:21:00 Speaker 137: seconded by Councillor. Nielsen, it's on
01:21:01 Speaker 13: the floor for discussion. Welcome, Director
01:21:04 Speaker 13: Myers. Thank you very much. And
01:21:05 Speaker 13: through you, Orton, we had an
01:21:07 Speaker 13: excellent PDAC meeting. There's a lot
01:21:07 Speaker 13: of energy in our PDAC meetings,
01:21:09 Speaker 13: so thank you to Chair Kibney,
01:21:11 Speaker 13: who runs those so smoothly. We
01:21:14 Speaker 13: started the day off with a
01:21:15 Speaker 13: delegation from Amanda Meja from Henry
01:21:16 Speaker 13: Bernard Entrepreneurship Centre. So, as you
01:21:18 Speaker 13: remember from last year, this was
01:21:21 Speaker 13: a pilot programme and partnership that
01:21:22 Speaker 13: Gray County entered into. to bring
01:21:25 Speaker 13: that service to this region. We've
01:21:26 Speaker 13: always had to rely on it
01:21:27 Speaker 13: through Barry, but we wanted to
01:21:30 Speaker 13: see what potential there was here,
01:21:31 Speaker 13: what relationships we could make, and
01:21:33 Speaker 13: what impact it might have by
01:21:35 Speaker 13: bringing it here to Sidney Campus.
01:21:37 Speaker 13: And it was a really successful
01:21:38 Speaker 13: pilot. They supported 20 businesses who
01:21:40 Speaker 13: are not in the startup phase,
01:21:43 Speaker 13: but in the actual growth stages
01:21:44 Speaker 13: with things like IP, so intellectual
01:21:45 Speaker 13: property. That is an area we
01:21:47 Speaker 13: do not get into as staff
01:21:49 Speaker 13: at the county. That's not an
01:21:50 Speaker 13: expertise of our That's not an
01:21:52 Speaker 13: expertise of ours. We were able
01:21:52 Speaker 13: to tap into their mentors who
01:21:54 Speaker 13: are through their Barry network. So
01:21:56 Speaker 13: instead of having to just rely
01:21:59 Speaker 13: on local mentors, that we're able
01:22:00 Speaker 13: to create, we now have a
01:22:01 Speaker 13: wider net cast. We also have
01:22:04 Speaker 13: excellent partnership with the staff at
01:22:06 Speaker 13: Henry Burnick, and now with Amanda's
01:22:08 Speaker 13: departure, she is on the other
01:22:10 Speaker 13: side of the world, I believe,
01:22:11 Speaker 13: doing her master's now, which is
01:22:13 Speaker 13: hard to step in the way
01:22:14 Speaker 13: of that. But we now have
01:22:15 Speaker 13: Ryan Burrell, who will be our
01:22:16 Speaker 13: contact for this area, focused on
01:22:19 Speaker 13: Gray and Bruce and. continuing this
01:22:20 Speaker 13: good work, so we're really happy
01:22:22 Speaker 13: with the partnership that we had,
01:22:22 Speaker 13: and lots of excitement. There's a
01:22:24 Speaker 13: large PowerPoint presentation that you can
01:22:25 Speaker 13: look at from the PDAC committee
01:22:28 Speaker 13: that will take you through all
01:22:30 Speaker 13: of the wins that we saw
01:22:32 Speaker 13: across that first year. So that
01:22:34 Speaker 13: was the first part of our
01:22:35 Speaker 13: committee. The second, we went into
01:22:37 Speaker 13: our strategic progress report for August,
01:22:38 Speaker 13: which is really hard to believe.
01:22:39 Speaker 13: Then now we're in September, and
01:22:41 Speaker 13: time is really flying. But a
01:22:43 Speaker 13: couple of key points to highlight
01:22:44 Speaker 13: from that. report, and the first
01:22:45 Speaker 13: was the lean training that our
01:22:47 Speaker 13: economic development, tourism, and culture team
01:22:49 Speaker 13: is going through. So we piloted
01:22:51 Speaker 13: a lean training last year with
01:22:52 Speaker 13: our village at Gray Roots, and
01:22:54 Speaker 13: I'm going to talk to you
01:22:56 Speaker 13: about some of the the successes
01:22:57 Speaker 13: through that. But this was really
01:23:00 Speaker 13: looking at ourselves. So our master
01:23:01 Speaker 13: plan tells us what we need
01:23:03 Speaker 13: to do to best serve our
01:23:06 Speaker 13: clients, our municipalities, our businesses. The
01:23:08 Speaker 13: lean training is for us as
01:23:09 Speaker 13: a team to make sure that
01:23:11 Speaker 13: we are resourced, we are structured,
01:23:12 Speaker 13: and we are functioning the way
01:23:14 Speaker 13: that we can. be most efficient,
01:23:16 Speaker 13: so we're not trying to do
01:23:18 Speaker 13: more with less. We're trying to
01:23:20 Speaker 13: do what we need to do
01:23:22 Speaker 13: in a good way that keeps
01:23:24 Speaker 13: everybody happy. So that is ongoing,
01:23:27 Speaker 13: and we're excited to continue that
01:23:28 Speaker 13: on through the rest of the
01:23:31 Speaker 13: year and be back to you
01:23:32 Speaker 13: with a an update on how
01:23:33 Speaker 13: that has gone by November. We
01:23:36 Speaker 13: are also working on the memory
01:23:37 Speaker 13: and understanding for Team Gray. So
01:23:41 Speaker 13: that is a project that is
01:23:43 Speaker 13: under my portfolio. So I'm working
01:23:47 Speaker 13: with every one of your CAOs
01:23:49 Speaker 13: right now. They have all been
01:23:51 Speaker 13: very generous with their time. We've
01:23:54 Speaker 13: had two discussions at this. point,
01:23:57 Speaker 13: so they will be getting a
01:23:58 Speaker 13: draft soon, and we'll talk
01:24:00 Speaker 13: about this at the next leadership
01:24:02 Speaker 13: forum on October 30th of what
01:24:04 Speaker 13: this MOU looks like, and it
01:24:06 Speaker 13: really is about laying out the
01:24:07 Speaker 13: roles and responsibilities between our member
01:24:08 Speaker 13: municipality and the county when it
01:24:10 Speaker 13: comes to economic development and investment
01:24:12 Speaker 13: readiness. So how we can work
01:24:13 Speaker 13: best together in a cohesive manner.
01:24:15 Speaker 13: We celebrated the launch of our
01:24:16 Speaker 13: newest gather video, which was featuring
01:24:18 Speaker 13: downtown Owen Sound businesses, and really
01:24:21 Speaker 13: taking a moment to celebrate all
01:24:23 Speaker 13: of the good people. and all
01:24:25 Speaker 13: of the good business we have
01:24:27 Speaker 13: in downtown Owen Sound. So, if
01:24:29 Speaker 13: you haven't seen it already, I
01:24:30 Speaker 13: do encourage you to take a
01:24:32 Speaker 13: look at that because it really
01:24:34 Speaker 13: has been a great opportunity to
01:24:36 Speaker 138: tell a different story and to
01:24:39 Speaker 138: recognize all of the good that
01:24:41 Speaker 138: we have across our communities. Business
01:24:43 Speaker 138: Enterprise Centre. I did want to
01:24:45 Speaker 138: highlight this. So, as Randy had
01:24:47 Speaker 139: mentioned before, this was one of
01:24:49 Speaker 139: the delegations for AMO. But just
01:24:50 Speaker 139: to give you an idea, from
01:24:52 Speaker 139: April to June, so in that
01:24:54 Speaker 139: three-month period. the business enterprise staff
01:24:56 Speaker 139: handled 144 inquiries. They had 33
01:24:57 Speaker 139: one-on-one consultations. They supported 10 businesses
01:24:59 Speaker 139: to sustain, seven businesses to expand,
01:25:01 Speaker 139: and five businesses to be purchased
01:25:03 Speaker 139: in that three-month period. So the
01:25:04 Speaker 140: services are very, very valuable. There
01:25:06 Speaker 140: is no shortage to knock on
01:25:08 Speaker 140: their door. And what's really interesting,
01:25:11 Speaker 140: most business enterprise centres, you have
01:25:13 Speaker 140: the option to be in person
01:25:15 Speaker 140: or virtual. In Gray County, 70%
01:25:16 Speaker 140: of our clients. Seventy percent of
01:25:18 Speaker 140: our clients choose to come in
01:25:19 Speaker 140: person, so they will drive across
01:25:21 Speaker 140: the county to come to Sydney
01:25:23 Speaker 140: to sit down and have that
01:25:25 Speaker 140: consultation with the Enterprise Centre. And
01:25:27 Speaker 140: I think that's really important. It's
01:25:29 Speaker 140: just it bodes well to the
01:25:30 Speaker 140: relationships they've built in this region
01:25:31 Speaker 140: and the impact that they're having.
01:25:33 Speaker 140: They also did an intensive series,
01:25:36 Speaker 140: and between eight workshops, had one
01:25:37 Speaker 140: hundred and seventy three participants come
01:25:39 Speaker 140: through those eight workshops, and those
01:25:41 Speaker 140: were intensives taking care of the
01:25:42 Speaker 140: person behind the business and the
01:25:44 Speaker 140: things that we hear as the
01:25:45 Speaker 140: great. Here as the greatest barriers
01:25:47 Speaker 140: and the greatest threats to businesses
01:25:48 Speaker 140: today. With Sydney Campus, we also
01:25:50 Speaker 140: celebrated our doors. So if you
01:25:52 Speaker 140: haven't been to Sydney lately, we
01:25:53 Speaker 140: have new exterior doors that actually
01:25:55 Speaker 140: lock and close, which is amazing.
01:25:57 Speaker 140: They look excellent, and it's really
01:25:59 Speaker 140: brought a whole new look and
01:26:00 Speaker 140: feel to the hallways because we
01:26:02 Speaker 140: went full floor-to-ceiling glass. So it
01:26:04 Speaker 140: just opened the space up and
01:26:05 Speaker 140: brought a lot of natural light.
01:26:07 Speaker 140: So anytime you wish to celebrate
01:26:09 Speaker 140: those doors at Sydney, please go
01:26:11 Speaker 140: ahead because every time we walk
01:26:12 Speaker 140: down the hall, we get excited.
01:26:13 Speaker 140: I'll talk in just a second
01:26:15 Speaker 140: about our regional marketing and summer
01:26:17 Speaker 140: students, but Great Roots we have
01:26:19 Speaker 140: had a banner year at Great
01:26:20 Speaker 140: Roots. We knew Dinosaurs was going
01:26:21 Speaker 140: to be big, but I think
01:26:22 Speaker 140: what gets all of our staff
01:26:26 Speaker 140: most excited is that when we
01:26:29 Speaker 140: see visitors coming in, whether they're
01:26:30 Speaker 140: residents or they're coming to the
01:26:33 Speaker 140: area, they're lured in by dinosaurs
01:26:36 Speaker 140: or whatever our travelling exhibit is.
01:26:38 Speaker 140: But when they leave, they tell
01:26:40 Speaker 140: us their favourite parts are our
01:26:41 Speaker 140: Great County Gallery. Are our Gray
01:26:43 Speaker 140: County Gallery and Morrison Heritage Village.
01:26:45 Speaker 140: So it's the things that we
01:26:47 Speaker 140: do every day, year-round. That's what
01:26:48 Speaker 140: they love the most, and that
01:26:51 Speaker 140: I think is really important to
01:26:53 Speaker 140: recognize the good work that staff
01:26:54 Speaker 140: have done, the fact that they
01:26:56 Speaker 140: are delivering what people are looking
01:26:58 Speaker 140: for, and we're helping tell the
01:27:00 Speaker 140: story of Gray County. So that's
01:27:03 Speaker 140: just a note that we wanted
01:27:04 Speaker 140: to make. And as I mentioned,
01:27:06 Speaker 140: with our lean projects, we've done
01:27:08 Speaker 140: a couple of really cool interactive
01:27:09 Speaker 140: experiences this year. So the first,
01:27:11 Speaker 140: the Bob McDowell Memorial Railway is
01:27:12 Speaker 140: up and running. So you can
01:27:14 Speaker 140: now come and get railroad rides.
01:27:17 Speaker 140: It's not an everyday thing; it's
01:27:20 Speaker 140: a special occurrence. But this is
01:27:21 Speaker 140: something that we now offer at
01:27:22 Speaker 140: Gray Roots, which has been phenomenal.
01:27:25 Speaker 140: We had two hundred and fifty
01:27:28 Speaker 140: riders in the first event, another
01:27:30 Speaker 140: hundred in the following, and I
01:27:33 Speaker 140: think the last one was about
01:27:35 Speaker 140: one seventy-five. So when you see
01:27:38 Speaker 140: photos of it, it holds two
01:27:41 Speaker 140: little cars, basically an adult and
01:27:42 Speaker 140: two kids. So you can imagine
01:27:46 Speaker 140: how many rides is going around
01:27:48 Speaker 140: to get that many people on
01:27:49 Speaker 140: that train. But the village lean
01:27:51 Speaker 140: assessment really. demonstrated what we can
01:27:53 Speaker 140: do when we look at things
01:27:55 Speaker 140: differently. So we took the opportunity
01:27:57 Speaker 140: in 2024 to look at where
01:27:58 Speaker 140: the village operations were, what we
01:28:01 Speaker 140: could do with the volunteers and
01:28:02 Speaker 140: the staffing that we had, and
01:28:03 Speaker 140: really rethink what it was going
01:28:06 Speaker 140: to look like. And it was
01:28:09 Speaker 140: all new this year. So we
01:28:11 Speaker 140: now have guided village tours. We
01:28:13 Speaker 140: have historic demonstrations every day. We
01:28:14 Speaker 140: were still open seven days a
01:28:16 Speaker 140: week, still the same hours, and
01:28:18 Speaker 140: then we reduced our long. And
01:28:19 Speaker 140: then we reduced our volunteer shifts
01:28:21 Speaker 140: from two to one, so that
01:28:22 Speaker 140: way we weren't trying to constantly
01:28:24 Speaker 140: look and look and not be
01:28:27 Speaker 140: able to open buildings. So it
01:28:28 Speaker 140: was a better experience for volunteers,
01:28:30 Speaker 140: a better experience for our students,
01:28:32 Speaker 140: and a better experience for our
01:28:34 Speaker 140: visitors because everybody got to find
01:28:36 Speaker 140: something that they're passionate about and
01:28:38 Speaker 140: get involved in. And the numbers
01:28:40 Speaker 140: speak for themselves. So in the
01:28:41 Speaker 140: first four weeks of Morriston, and
01:28:42 Speaker 140: we'll have better numbers by the
01:28:44 Speaker 141: end of the summer, we had
01:28:49 Speaker 141: 85 demonstrators. We had 85 demonstrations,
01:28:50 Speaker 141: and 2,407 people came to participate
01:28:52 Speaker 142: in those. 51% of those observers
01:28:54 Speaker 143: actually got hands-on engaged with the
01:28:58 Speaker 143: demonstrations that were happening. Our students
01:28:59 Speaker 143: offered 42 personalized tours, and they
01:29:01 Speaker 143: hosted 197 participants in those first
01:29:02 Speaker 144: four weeks, including one tour fully
01:29:05 Speaker 144: in French. With the volunteer shifts,
01:29:06 Speaker 144: our buildings were filled, and all
01:29:08 Speaker 144: buildings have been open daily 92%
01:29:09 Speaker 144: of the time. So these are
01:29:12 Speaker 144: numbers we just haven't seen in
01:29:14 Speaker 144: here. Seen in Heritage Village, and
01:29:15 Speaker 144: I think it speaks a
01:29:17 Speaker 144: lot to everybody coming together to
01:29:20 Speaker 144: find a new way forward, which
01:29:21 Speaker 144: was phenomenal. And we're going to
01:29:22 Speaker 144: continue that next year. So they
01:29:24 Speaker 144: started debriefing yesterday, and the volunteer
01:29:25 Speaker 144: meeting's coming up next month. Last,
01:29:27 Speaker 144: but certainly certainly not least, we
01:29:30 Speaker 144: talked about roundtable sector trends and
01:29:37 Speaker 144: challenges. So downtown was a key
01:29:38 Speaker 144: component of that conversation, tying back
01:29:40 Speaker 144: to our own Sound Gather video.
01:29:43 Speaker 144: But we also talked about the
01:29:45 Speaker 144: mentality of we and the fact
01:29:46 Speaker 144: that in Gray County, we
01:29:48 Speaker 144: really. are a we can we
01:29:50 Speaker 144: do things together. It's not I.
01:29:54 Speaker 144: We're not competing with one another.
01:29:56 Speaker 144: We really are coming to the
01:29:59 Speaker 144: table as a collective and saying
01:30:01 Speaker 144: we can do things beyond what
01:30:04 Speaker 144: we think we can do. So
01:30:07 Speaker 144: that was a real conversation that
01:30:08 Speaker 144: we're proud of, something that we
01:30:09 Speaker 144: want to maintain and continue. But
01:30:10 Speaker 144: it was a great way to
01:30:11 Speaker 144: end the PDAC meeting. So any
01:30:13 Speaker 144: questions? Please let me know. Great,
01:30:15 Speaker 144: thank you. So we'll put it
01:30:17 Speaker 145: out there if there are. any
01:30:21 Speaker 145: members that have any questions for
01:30:23 Speaker 145: Director Myers or comments, indeed, there
01:30:24 Speaker 145: is a lot of energy in
01:30:26 Speaker 145: the room when everyone comes together
01:30:27 Speaker 145: like that, and they're able to
01:30:29 Speaker 145: share what's going on across our
01:30:30 Speaker 145: our county. Thank you. Well, with
01:30:32 Speaker 145: that, then I see no further
01:30:34 Speaker 145: questions on this matter. I'll call
01:30:36 Speaker 145: the question. All those in favour,
01:30:37 Speaker 146: and that motion is carried. Thank
01:30:40 Speaker 146: you. Okay. So next, we're going
01:30:42 Speaker 146: to go to the Agricultural Advisory
01:30:44 Speaker 146: Committee meeting minutes of September third,
01:30:46 Speaker 146: and Director Taylor is going to
01:30:48 Speaker 146: speak to that now. I just
01:30:50 Speaker 146: want to caution everyone: lunch is
01:30:52 Speaker 146: not until noon, so he is
01:30:53 Speaker 146: not speaking just before lunch. We
01:30:55 Speaker 146: will have a little bit more
01:30:57 Speaker 146: business after that. Oh, and let
01:31:00 Speaker 146: me just get the motion on
01:31:01 Speaker 146: the floor for you, Director Taylor.
01:31:05 Speaker 146: So, it's recommended that the Agricultural
01:31:07 Speaker 146: Advisory Committee meeting minutes, dated September
01:31:08 Speaker 146: third, twenty twenty-five, be adopted as
01:31:11 Speaker 146: presented, and the following resolutions contain.
01:31:12 Speaker 146: The following resolutions contained therein be
01:31:14 Speaker 146: endorsed: Number one, that report PDRAAC
01:31:15 Speaker 146: fifty six twenty five is received,
01:31:17 Speaker 146: and number two, that staff consider
01:31:20 Speaker 146: any further feedback received from the
01:31:22 Speaker 146: Agricultural Advisory Committee with respect to
01:31:23 Speaker 146: the county's nuisance beaver and coyote
01:31:25 Speaker 146: slash wolf bylaw reviews. And I
01:31:27 Speaker 146: know that Director Taylor will be
01:31:29 Speaker 146: speaking to that, so I'll look
01:31:30 Speaker 146: for a mover and a seconder
01:31:33 Speaker 146: to get it on the floor.
01:31:34 Speaker 146: Move by Councillor Dobrin, seconded by
01:31:36 Speaker 146: Councillor Eccles. It's now on the
01:31:39 Speaker 146: floor for discussion. Welcome, Director Taylor.
01:31:42 Speaker 146: Great, thanks, Madam Warden and members
01:31:43 Speaker 146: of council. There was a lot
01:31:46 Speaker 146: of excitement at the Agricultural Advisory
01:31:49 Speaker 146: Committee meeting too. I'll probably just
01:31:52 Speaker 146: present it in a slightly more
01:31:54 Speaker 146: monotone tone than Savannah did, but
01:31:56 Speaker 146: I'll do my best here to
01:31:58 Speaker 146: to bring the excitement from the
01:32:00 Speaker 146: room. the The first matter on
01:32:01 Speaker 146: the agenda was a report by
01:32:03 Speaker 146: Sarah Johnson, the county's trails and
01:32:05 Speaker 146: forestry coordinator, with respect to, as
01:32:07 Speaker 146: the Warden mentioned, the the updates
01:32:10 Speaker 146: on on the the review of
01:32:13 Speaker 146: the beaver and coyote wolf. bylaws,
01:32:16 Speaker 147: so as council may recall, we
01:32:19 Speaker 147: did have an open house at
01:32:20 Speaker 147: Greater Cultural Services in late April
01:32:22 Speaker 147: on this topic, and we also
01:32:23 Speaker 147: had a public meeting in these
01:32:25 Speaker 147: council chambers and in a hybrid
01:32:27 Speaker 146: fashion in in early May with
01:32:30 Speaker 146: respect to the bylaws. A number
01:32:32 Speaker 146: of of members of County Council
01:32:34 Speaker 146: were able to attend that that
01:32:36 Speaker 146: public meeting, and we just wanted
01:32:39 Speaker 146: to provide a further update to
01:32:41 Speaker 146: both council and and the Agricultural
01:32:43 Speaker 146: Advisory Committee with respect to the
01:32:46 Speaker 146: feedback we heard. Not only at
01:32:48 Speaker 146: that meeting but also in written
01:32:50 Speaker 146: form after the fact, I think
01:32:53 Speaker 146: if you attended the the public
01:32:55 Speaker 146: meeting, a lot of the comments
01:32:58 Speaker 146: were relatively well one sided. We
01:33:01 Speaker 146: heard a lot of really good
01:33:03 Speaker 146: comments from from people in the
01:33:05 Speaker 146: trapping community and people in the
01:33:06 Speaker 146: farm community. We heard comments about
01:33:08 Speaker 146: streamlining some of the processes under
01:33:10 Speaker 146: the bylaw to to under the
01:33:12 Speaker 146: bylaws plural, whether the beaver or
01:33:14 Speaker 146: the coyote, to make claims. We
01:33:16 Speaker 146: heard comments about licenced trappers and
01:33:18 Speaker 146: and their ability to control. populations
01:33:19 Speaker 146: in a humane way, which reduces
01:33:21 Speaker 146: the potential for starvation or disease.
01:33:23 Speaker 146: We heard topics about the population
01:33:26 Speaker 146: of both coyotes and beavers across
01:33:27 Speaker 146: the county, and anecdotally, those numbers
01:33:30 Speaker 146: remain at very high levels. Certainly,
01:33:32 Speaker 146: from the farm community, we heard
01:33:35 Speaker 146: that landowners need to be able
01:33:37 Speaker 146: to protect their property and livestock,
01:33:41 Speaker 146: and to a lesser extent, we
01:33:43 Speaker 146: also heard that with respect to
01:33:46 Speaker 146: flooding impacts related to beaver dams,
01:33:49 Speaker 146: we did hear about the impact.
01:33:51 Speaker 146: on on both infrastructure from flooding
01:33:53 Speaker 146: and and farmlands. We heard about
01:33:56 Speaker 146: the financial and mental mental health
01:33:58 Speaker 146: toll it takes on farmers when
01:33:59 Speaker 146: there is a livestock attack or
01:34:01 Speaker 146: kill in that regard, and and
01:34:04 Speaker 146: that's not to be underestimated. In
01:34:06 Speaker 146: in the public meeting, there was
01:34:07 Speaker 146: some some very from the heart
01:34:10 Speaker 146: comments that that came on that
01:34:12 Speaker 146: mental health impact, which was which
01:34:13 Speaker 146: was really interesting. We heard about
01:34:16 Speaker 146: the need for refinements to the
01:34:17 Speaker 146: programmemes and particular. To the programmemes,
01:34:20 Speaker 146: and particularly on on the coyote
01:34:21 Speaker 146: and wolf side, when there's been
01:34:23 Speaker 146: a kill and and there's no
01:34:26 Speaker 146: remains of the livestock and and
01:34:28 Speaker 146: the ability to still potentially present
01:34:30 Speaker 146: a claim if if there's no
01:34:34 Speaker 146: remains to be verified, and then
01:34:36 Speaker 146: we also heard some comments with
01:34:38 Speaker 146: respect to considerations for municipalities to
01:34:39 Speaker 146: update their own municipal bylaws regarding
01:34:43 Speaker 146: guardian dogs and hunting animals, and
01:34:44 Speaker 146: so then after the public meeting,
01:34:45 Speaker 146: we still had a significant
01:34:47 Speaker 146: comment period where people. could could
01:34:49 Speaker 146: submit comments in writing, and Sarah
01:34:51 Speaker 146: also received some phone calls on
01:34:52 Speaker 146: this. And and and there were
01:34:54 Speaker 146: some counterpoints to some of the
01:34:55 Speaker 146: the comments we heard at the
01:34:58 Speaker 146: public meetings. In fact, from some
01:35:00 Speaker 146: people we heard that when there
01:35:02 Speaker 146: are strains on a population, so
01:35:04 Speaker 146: strains with respect to either beavers
01:35:06 Speaker 146: or coyotes, it can in fact
01:35:09 Speaker 146: lead to higher birth rates and
01:35:11 Speaker 146: and therefore having a counter effect
01:35:14 Speaker 146: on on or the opposite effect
01:35:16 Speaker 146: on controlling populations. We heard the
01:35:19 Speaker 146: the comment. We heard the comments
01:35:20 Speaker 146: about the county should should further
01:35:23 Speaker 146: explore non-lethal control methods with respect
01:35:25 Speaker 146: to fencing in in the case
01:35:27 Speaker 146: of of coyotes, beaver baffles with
01:35:29 Speaker 146: respect to to protecting infrastructure in
01:35:31 Speaker 146: that regard, and also guardian animals.
01:35:32 Speaker 146: We heard comments about the current
01:35:34 Speaker 146: bylaws being barbaric in nature, particularly
01:35:36 Speaker 146: with respect to removing the ears
01:35:38 Speaker 146: and tails, with respect to needing
01:35:40 Speaker 146: to make a claim, and then
01:35:42 Speaker 146: we also heard comments about the
01:35:44 Speaker 146: term nuisance animals. is a very
01:35:46 Speaker 146: subjective term, and maybe not one
01:35:48 Speaker 146: appreciated by some. The one thing
01:35:52 Speaker 146: we heard from from folks on
01:35:53 Speaker 146: both sides of of the debate,
01:35:55 Speaker 146: if you will, is the need
01:35:57 Speaker 146: for more education. So perhaps there's
01:35:57 Speaker 146: the need for more education on
01:35:59 Speaker 146: non-lethal control methods. And in the
01:36:02 Speaker 146: farm sector, we also heard the
01:36:04 Speaker 146: comments about the need for more
01:36:06 Speaker 146: more education on here's why we
01:36:08 Speaker 146: are hiring trappers to control these,
01:36:10 Speaker 146: and and and here's the impacts
01:36:12 Speaker 146: on on farmers' livelihoods and and
01:36:14 Speaker 146: and operations in that regard. As
01:36:17 Speaker 146: part of this work, the county
01:36:19 Speaker 146: also reached out to Ministry of
01:36:22 Speaker 146: Natural Resources and Forestry staff, who
01:36:25 Speaker 146: who didn't have significant comments on
01:36:26 Speaker 146: the matter, other note other than
01:36:27 Speaker 146: noting that the county shouldn't restrict
01:36:29 Speaker 146: landowners from protecting their properties. And
01:36:31 Speaker 146: we made this clear on September
01:36:33 Speaker 146: the third with the Agricultural Advisory
01:36:35 Speaker 146: Committee. And I just want to
01:36:38 Speaker 146: put a fine point on it
01:36:40 Speaker 146: here: that regardless of what happens
01:36:42 Speaker 146: with with council's future considerations with
01:36:43 Speaker 146: respect to the bylaws, either to
01:36:45 Speaker 146: refine them. and pass new bylaws,
01:36:47 Speaker 146: or to perhaps discontinue the bylaws.
01:36:49 Speaker 146: There's nothing in the staff recommendations
01:36:51 Speaker 146: at this stage that would impact
01:36:54 Speaker 146: landowners, whether they be farmers or
01:36:55 Speaker 146: non-farmers, ability to lawfully protect their
01:36:56 Speaker 146: properties with respect to trapping animals.
01:36:59 Speaker 146: In that regard, one of the
01:37:01 Speaker 146: other comments we heard after the
01:37:03 Speaker 146: public meeting was actually a request
01:37:05 Speaker 146: for further consultation from the Saugeen
01:37:08 Speaker 146: Ojibway Nation. So we've had an
01:37:09 Speaker 146: initial meeting with Saugeen Ojibway Nation
01:37:10 Speaker 146: in. With Sauk and Ojibwe Nation
01:37:12 Speaker 146: Environment Office staff in this regard,
01:37:14 Speaker 146: but this is something we'd like
01:37:16 Speaker 146: to explore further further with their
01:37:18 Speaker 146: team. And so, as part of
01:37:20 Speaker 146: the report that went to Agriculture
01:37:22 Speaker 146: Advisory Committee, we also opened up
01:37:24 Speaker 146: the floor, and and we're eager
01:37:25 Speaker 146: to hear more comments from the
01:37:28 Speaker 146: committee. Many many of the members
01:37:30 Speaker 146: of that committee have significant lived
01:37:33 Speaker 146: experience with respect to to coyotes
01:37:34 Speaker 146: and beavers in that regard. So
01:37:36 Speaker 146: we're really happy to hear the
01:37:38 Speaker 146: the comments that were shared with
01:37:40 Speaker 146: respect to some of the comments
01:37:43 Speaker 146: that were shared by. the committee,
01:37:44 Speaker 146: there was definitely echoed calls for
01:37:46 Speaker 146: for more education in that regard,
01:37:48 Speaker 146: and and that's something again, regardless
01:37:50 Speaker 146: of what happens with these bylaws,
01:37:52 Speaker 146: I think county staff would be
01:37:54 Speaker 146: interested in exploring further and looking
01:37:56 Speaker 146: to collabourate with farmers and trappers
01:37:58 Speaker 146: and others on in that regard.
01:38:00 Speaker 146: We heard reiterated calls that the
01:38:02 Speaker 146: compensation to trappers hasn't been increased
01:38:04 Speaker 146: over the years, and therefore it's
01:38:05 Speaker 146: not reflecting their their the cost
01:38:07 Speaker 146: of doing business for them in
01:38:09 Speaker 146: that. regard, with respect to the
01:38:11 Speaker 146: equipment or with respect to mileage
01:38:13 Speaker 146: and various other things, we heard
01:38:15 Speaker 146: from farmers that that in many
01:38:16 Speaker 146: cases trapping is an absolutely last
01:38:18 Speaker 146: resort. Farmers have invested a significant
01:38:21 Speaker 146: amount of resources in securing their
01:38:22 Speaker 146: properties, whether they be fences. And
01:38:23 Speaker 146: there was talk of some of
01:38:25 Speaker 146: the fencing that's used around some
01:38:27 Speaker 146: of our orchard properties, but there
01:38:28 Speaker 146: was also talk about very costly
01:38:29 Speaker 146: electric fencing in that regard, with
01:38:31 Speaker 146: respect to keeping their livestock safe
01:38:32 Speaker 146: in that regard, and so. Stock
01:38:34 Speaker 146: safe in that regard, and so
01:38:35 Speaker 146: trapping is sort of a last
01:38:37 Speaker 146: resort. We heard comments about the
01:38:39 Speaker 146: fact that that the the proliferation
01:38:40 Speaker 146: of some of these animals might
01:38:42 Speaker 146: be as a result of significant
01:38:44 Speaker 146: loss of natural habitat across the
01:38:46 Speaker 146: county, as we do see more
01:38:49 Speaker 146: development across the county, and as
01:38:52 Speaker 146: we do see additional lands cleared
01:38:54 Speaker 146: for farming or resource use in
01:38:57 Speaker 146: that regard. We heard comments from
01:39:00 Speaker 146: committee members noting that even guardian
01:39:02 Speaker 146: dogs can be hit or miss,
01:39:03 Speaker 146: and and different farmers have had
01:39:06 Speaker 146: success or not with respect to
01:39:07 Speaker 146: use in guardian. With respect to
01:39:08 Speaker 146: using guardian dogs as as a
01:39:09 Speaker 146: means by which to protect livestock,
01:39:11 Speaker 146: we we heard that the number
01:39:14 Speaker 146: of nuisance animals does not
01:39:16 Speaker 146: appear to be waning, even though
01:39:17 Speaker 146: these bylaws and bounties, if you
01:39:20 Speaker 146: will, have been been in effect
01:39:24 Speaker 146: for for quite some time. We
01:39:26 Speaker 146: also had some questions about the
01:39:28 Speaker 146: ability to remove dams to prevent
01:39:30 Speaker 146: flooding and whether or not there
01:39:32 Speaker 146: was any restrictions from either the
01:39:33 Speaker 146: Department of Fisheries and Oceans or
01:39:36 Speaker 146: Conservation Authorities as it pertained to
01:39:37 Speaker 146: to working in waterways in that
01:39:39 Speaker 146: regard. And then. finally, we heard
01:39:41 Speaker 146: comments with respect to the fact
01:39:42 Speaker 146: that coyotes don't just impact livestock.
01:39:44 Speaker 146: There have been no one pet
01:39:46 Speaker 146: attacks and kills in that regard,
01:39:49 Speaker 146: and and thankfully, we haven't seen
01:39:50 Speaker 146: human as much human interaction in
01:39:53 Speaker 146: that regard. But there was the
01:39:55 Speaker 146: warning that that we need to
01:39:57 Speaker 146: be cautious there. So, with respect
01:39:59 Speaker 146: to next steps on this project,
01:40:01 Speaker 146: staff noted that based on the
01:40:03 Speaker 146: comments we've heard, we need to
01:40:04 Speaker 146: do some further research. We need
01:40:05 Speaker 146: to do some some further consideration
01:40:07 Speaker 146: here. As I noted, we'll. sit
01:40:09 Speaker 146: down further with a number of
01:40:09 Speaker 146: parties, including the Saugye and Jeju
01:40:12 Speaker 146: Bay Nation, and really try to
01:40:14 Speaker 146: come up with a balanced recommendation
01:40:16 Speaker 146: that can be brought to council
01:40:18 Speaker 146: at a later date with respect
01:40:20 Speaker 146: to these bylaws. At this stage,
01:40:21 Speaker 146: I don't have a date for
01:40:23 Speaker 146: you for when when that could
01:40:25 Speaker 146: be brought back. And then the
01:40:26 Speaker 146: next main item on the agenda
01:40:27 Speaker 148: was was what many people would
01:40:30 Speaker 149: consider their favourite part of the
01:40:35 Speaker 149: agricultural advisory committee agendas, and that's
01:40:36 Speaker 149: the roundtable discussion. And and and
01:40:38 Speaker 149: there's always good comments shared and
01:40:39 Speaker 150: insights from from our diverse spectrum
01:40:42 Speaker 150: of participants in that. regard. There
01:40:43 Speaker 150: were some initial comments made with
01:40:46 Speaker 150: respect to the impact of of
01:40:48 Speaker 150: weather on on farmers and and
01:40:51 Speaker 150: farming. This this most recent growing
01:40:55 Speaker 150: season, some noted that it had
01:40:57 Speaker 150: been near drought like conditions and
01:40:59 Speaker 151: it was very impactful. Others noted
01:41:01 Speaker 151: where they were in the county
01:41:02 Speaker 151: or just across the line in
01:41:04 Speaker 152: Bruce County, it they weren't hit
01:41:10 Speaker 152: as hard.
01:41:25 Speaker 152: But one of the
01:41:56 Speaker 152: takeaways there from staff was that
01:41:58 Speaker 152: where there are administrative processes needed
01:42:01 Speaker 153: approvals at either the county or
01:42:03 Speaker 153: municipal. That are either the county
01:42:07 Speaker 153: or municipal level, there there needs
01:42:08 Speaker 153: to be some expediency there with
01:42:11 Speaker 153: respect to enabling farmers to be
01:42:12 Speaker 154: able to react quickly and and
01:42:15 Speaker 154: and do what's best for their
01:42:17 Speaker 154: their crops and livestock. In that
01:42:20 Speaker 154: regard, there was a bit of
01:42:21 Speaker 154: a celebration with respect to the
01:42:23 Speaker 154: recent tax reduction on craft cider
01:42:27 Speaker 154: makers, and it was noted that
01:42:28 Speaker 154: Craft Cider Week is coming up
01:42:31 Speaker 154: very soon. Town of Blue Mountains
01:42:32 Speaker 154: and the municipality of Weehard shared
01:42:36 Speaker 154: that their open fields, their collabourative
01:42:38 Speaker 154: open fields event, is coming. back
01:42:40 Speaker 154: on September 27th. We did have
01:42:41 Speaker 154: some questions from the committee on
01:42:43 Speaker 154: rural severance policies, rural property standards
01:42:45 Speaker 154: bylaws, and whether or not the
01:42:49 Speaker 154: county had any drone policies in
01:42:51 Speaker 154: place. And then, similar to our
01:42:52 Speaker 154: our news and celebrations section from
01:42:54 Speaker 154: this morning at County Council, we
01:42:56 Speaker 154: also heard that we're in the
01:42:58 Speaker 154: thick of fall fair season, so
01:42:59 Speaker 154: there was lots of good comments
01:43:02 Speaker 154: about fall fairs and and noting
01:43:04 Speaker 154: that it's a great way to
01:43:06 Speaker 154: get out and connect with agriculture
01:43:09 Speaker 154: and to celebrate agriculture in that
01:43:11 Speaker 154: regard. And then finally. From that
01:43:12 Speaker 154: regard, and then finally, Chair Smith
01:43:14 Speaker 154: invited the county to, or invited
01:43:15 Speaker 154: the committee to suggest any additional
01:43:18 Speaker 154: topics they'd like to hear more
01:43:20 Speaker 154: about for the coming December tenth
01:43:22 Speaker 154: agricultural advisory committee meeting. So that's
01:43:25 Speaker 154: my summary. But certainly, happy to
01:43:28 Speaker 154: take any questions if there are
01:43:29 Speaker 154: any. Madam. Thank you. Any questions
01:43:32 Speaker 154: or comments? I think you gave
01:43:34 Speaker 154: us some good details there. Thank
01:43:36 Speaker 154: you very much, Director Taylor. I'll
01:43:39 Speaker 154: ask the question. Then all those
01:43:41 Speaker 154: in favour? And that motion is
01:43:43 Speaker 154: carried. Thank you. That'll. Thank you.
01:43:45 Speaker 154: That allows us to move on
01:43:47 Speaker 154: to item seven C. It's recommended
01:43:49 Speaker 154: that the 2026 response time performance
01:43:51 Speaker 154: plan, as outlined in the report
01:43:52 Speaker 154: PSRCW0525, be approved and submitted to
01:43:54 Speaker 154: the Ministry of Health. May I
01:43:58 Speaker 154: ask for a mover? Move by
01:44:01 Speaker 154: Councillor McKay, and seconded by Councillor
01:44:03 Speaker 154: Pringle. It's now on the floor
01:44:04 Speaker 154: for discussion. Welcome, Director McNabb. Morning,
01:44:07 Speaker 154: Warden and County Council. Just bring
01:44:08 Speaker 154: up the presentation. Hey, we're in
01:44:09 Speaker 154: business. Good morning, Warden County Council.
01:44:11 Speaker 154: Today, here to talk to you
01:44:14 Speaker 154: about the 2026 response time plan.
01:44:15 Speaker 155: So, the the 2026 response time
01:44:19 Speaker 155: performance plan is outlined in the.
01:44:20 Speaker 154: report PSRCW zero five twenty five.
01:44:24 Speaker 154: Be approved and submitted to the
01:44:25 Speaker 154: Ministry of Health. Each year, we
01:44:26 Speaker 154: develop a plan, and it's for
01:44:27 Speaker 154: the upcoming year. And we submit
01:44:30 Speaker 154: that to the Ministry prior to
01:44:33 Speaker 154: the end of October. That plan
01:44:35 Speaker 154: is measured the following year, and
01:44:36 Speaker 154: we report those numbers to the
01:44:38 Speaker 154: Ministry of Health by by the
01:44:39 Speaker 154: end of March of the of
01:44:41 Speaker 154: the following year. The plan itself
01:44:42 Speaker 154: was developed back in two. Was
01:44:46 Speaker 154: developed back in 2012, based upon
01:44:48 Speaker 154: what we were meeting at that
01:44:50 Speaker 154: time for response time targets. Since
01:44:51 Speaker 154: that time, I believe around 2016,
01:44:53 Speaker 154: we did improve upon those targets.
01:44:54 Speaker 154: C task one was eight minutes
01:44:56 Speaker 154: at 50. We've actually made that
01:44:57 Speaker 154: to 60 at that time, and
01:44:58 Speaker 154: our C task three to five
01:45:00 Speaker 154: was at 30 minutes and reduced
01:45:01 Speaker 154: that to 20 minutes. And those
01:45:03 Speaker 154: targets have been in place. The
01:45:05 Speaker 154: plan itself revolves around C task
01:45:07 Speaker 154: levels, conditions of the patient. There's
01:45:08 Speaker 154: five of them. for calls that
01:45:11 Speaker 154: are dispatched code four. So the
01:45:14 Speaker 154: targets, the first one being how
01:45:15 Speaker 154: quickly we get a defibrillator to
01:45:19 Speaker 154: the side of a patient or
01:45:21 Speaker 154: a cardiac arrest within six minutes.
01:45:24 Speaker 154: Our C task one calls, which
01:45:25 Speaker 154: are like your unconscious patients, what
01:45:27 Speaker 154: we call obviously immediate threats, within
01:45:29 Speaker 154: eight minutes for C task ones.
01:45:31 Speaker 154: These two categories for the whole
01:45:32 Speaker 154: county for the year of 2024
01:45:34 Speaker 154: was just over 200 calls. So
01:45:35 Speaker 154: not a very large amount of
01:45:37 Speaker 154: calls. in that area. The C
01:45:37 Speaker 154: task two, three, four, and five
01:45:39 Speaker 154: criteria. This is something that the
01:45:44 Speaker 154: county can set the target and
01:45:46 Speaker 154: the time. And so we actually
01:45:47 Speaker 154: set the target at fifteen minutes,
01:45:53 Speaker 154: ninety percent of the time for
01:45:55 Speaker 154: C task two, and then C
01:45:57 Speaker 154: task three, four, and five, which
01:45:59 Speaker 154: are more less severe emergency calls.
01:46:01 Speaker 154: That's twenty minutes, ninety percent of
01:46:02 Speaker 154: the time. We we use the
01:46:05 Speaker 154: ninety percent marker because. it really
01:46:07 Speaker 154: does give the indicator of what
01:46:09 Speaker 154: the normative expectation of a paramedic
01:46:10 Speaker 154: service would be. If you call
01:46:12 Speaker 154: nine times out of ten, when
01:46:13 Speaker 154: we say that we're there within
01:46:15 Speaker 154: fifteen minutes and thirty-five seconds, we
01:46:17 Speaker 154: can truly say that that's the
01:46:18 Speaker 154: way it happens. So this is
01:46:20 Speaker 154: the results, and we presented this
01:46:22 Speaker 154: back in last March when we
01:46:23 Speaker 154: submitted to the ministry. So we
01:46:24 Speaker 154: met all the targets at that
01:46:26 Speaker 154: time, and then you can see
01:46:27 Speaker 154: from the five-year average that. we've
01:46:28 Speaker 154: been pretty consistent throughout that time.
01:46:31 Speaker 154: The last couple years, we've met
01:46:32 Speaker 154: all the targets, which is good.
01:46:35 Speaker 154: We have struggled in the past
01:46:37 Speaker 154: with our C tasks too, within
01:46:39 Speaker 154: 15 minutes. But the last couple
01:46:44 Speaker 154: years, we've been able to meet
01:46:45 Speaker 154: all those targets. Another way of
01:46:47 Speaker 154: looking at calls, other than through
01:46:49 Speaker 154: C tasks, is by your 90th
01:46:51 Speaker 154: percentile for all code force brought
01:46:53 Speaker 154: together, and this is something we
01:46:54 Speaker 154: keep a close eye on. We
01:46:56 Speaker 154: try to keep this well. Obviously,
01:46:59 Speaker 154: we try to go as quickly
01:47:02 Speaker 154: as we can, but this has
01:47:05 Speaker 154: been a some. Can but this
01:47:07 Speaker 154: has been some guiding post for
01:47:10 Speaker 154: us is around 15 minutes. You
01:47:12 Speaker 154: can see till June 30th this
01:47:14 Speaker 154: year we're similar to last year
01:47:18 Speaker 154: at 15:35. Traditionally, this will get
01:47:21 Speaker 154: better through the year unless December
01:47:25 Speaker 154: is really snowy. But generally, better
01:47:27 Speaker 154: weather will will be able to
01:47:30 Speaker 154: improve upon that time going forward.
01:47:32 Speaker 154: But 2024 was 15:26 for the
01:47:34 Speaker 154: whole year. The average response time
01:47:35 Speaker 154: we do monitor this. Again, these
01:47:37 Speaker 154: aren't requirements, but stuff we watch,
01:47:39 Speaker 154: and it doesn't really give the
01:47:39 Speaker 154: public. really good indicator because you
01:47:40 Speaker 154: could have 20 minute response time
01:47:41 Speaker 154: and lots of two minute response
01:47:42 Speaker 154: times, but it does give you
01:47:45 Speaker 154: a feel. You know, is your
01:47:46 Speaker 154: response times going up per call
01:47:47 Speaker 154: or are they going down? And
01:47:48 Speaker 154: you can see within four seconds
01:47:49 Speaker 154: they're holding. So these are the
01:47:50 Speaker 154: recommended response times. No changes for
01:47:52 Speaker 154: next year as long as council
01:47:52 Speaker 154: approves. Just as far as call
01:47:57 Speaker 154: volume, we continue to see call
01:48:01 Speaker 154: volume going up. yearly. Last year
01:48:06 Speaker 154: was a four point two three
01:48:09 Speaker 154: percent increase, and this year when
01:48:10 Speaker 154: we looked at the call volume,
01:48:12 Speaker 154: it's up over eight percent. When
01:48:14 Speaker 154: you look at the last five
01:48:17 Speaker 154: years, I believe in the spring
01:48:19 Speaker 154: it was five point nine percent
01:48:22 Speaker 154: per year, just under thirty percent
01:48:24 Speaker 154: in the last five years. And
01:48:27 Speaker 154: if you look at the ORH
01:48:28 Speaker 154: modelling that they did, they predicted
01:48:30 Speaker 154: it to be five point eight.
01:48:31 Speaker 154: So, been pretty accurate so far.
01:48:34 Speaker 154: Again, what you have mixed in
01:48:36 Speaker 154: there, you have years that are
01:48:38 Speaker 154: high and years that are low,
01:48:41 Speaker 154: but you can't just look at
01:48:42 Speaker 154: one year at a time. You
01:48:45 Speaker 154: probably have to look at a
01:48:46 Speaker 154: three to five window. The idea
01:48:49 Speaker 154: being, though, is that with that
01:48:52 Speaker 154: ORH plan, that we continue to
01:48:54 Speaker 154: meet these response time targets, and
01:48:57 Speaker 154: you know plan for the increased
01:48:58 Speaker 154: call volume yearly. This year has
01:48:59 Speaker 154: been a big year for us.
01:49:01 Speaker 154: We migrated from a electronic medical
01:49:05 Speaker 154: record that we've been with for
01:49:08 Speaker 154: fifteen years to a new platform.
01:49:10 Speaker 154: We went from a product called.
01:49:11 Speaker 156: ESO, which at one time was
01:49:16 Speaker 156: called Intervet, and to a new
01:49:18 Speaker 156: software provider called PreHos, both well-renowned
01:49:19 Speaker 157: service providers in this space. But
01:49:22 Speaker 157: just with the transition in April
01:49:23 Speaker 157: until now, we still are having
01:49:25 Speaker 157: some complications with bringing the data
01:49:26 Speaker 157: together to to report on those
01:49:27 Speaker 156: response times, and also with the
01:49:31 Speaker 156: new provider bringing in location of
01:49:34 Speaker 157: calls to be able to to.
01:49:36 Speaker 157: get in the outside responding municipality
01:49:39 Speaker 157: into the county, because not only
01:49:42 Speaker 157: are we measured by our response
01:49:46 Speaker 157: time within the county, it's all
01:49:48 Speaker 157: calls within the county. So if
01:49:51 Speaker 157: Wellington or Bruce comes in, those
01:49:53 Speaker 157: have to be included. Now we're
01:49:56 Speaker 157: very close on that data. Like
01:49:58 Speaker 157: I would say, it won't be
01:50:01 Speaker 157: long before we get it resolved,
01:50:05 Speaker 157: but we just couldn't get
01:50:07 Speaker 157: it done in time for the
01:50:09 Speaker 157: report. There's nothing in regards to
01:50:12 Speaker 157: reporting to the ministry that we
01:50:14 Speaker 157: have to have it, but it's
01:50:18 Speaker 157: just something we'd like to provide,
01:50:22 Speaker 157: like a mid-year number. I usually
01:50:24 Speaker 157: be able to give you that
01:50:25 Speaker 157: to the I usually build it
01:50:28 Speaker 157: to give you that to June
01:50:30 Speaker 157: thirtieth, but this year just wasn't
01:50:32 Speaker 157: able to get it done. There
01:50:33 Speaker 157: will be some changes coming up
01:50:35 Speaker 157: in paramedic services around dispatching of
01:50:36 Speaker 157: calls and and also response time
01:50:38 Speaker 157: standards. But just ahead of that,
01:50:40 Speaker 157: one thing that we're going to
01:50:42 Speaker 157: ask for consideration of in the
01:50:44 Speaker 157: twenty twenty six budget is the
01:50:46 Speaker 157: ability to go back to do
01:50:48 Speaker 157: more more or less a update
01:50:49 Speaker 157: to the. comprehensive deployment review. The
01:50:51 Speaker 157: data that we looked at originally
01:50:53 Speaker 157: through RH was till May of
01:50:55 Speaker 157: 2022. They went back five years,
01:50:56 Speaker 157: and because of COVID, they even
01:50:59 Speaker 157: went back another five years just
01:51:01 Speaker 157: to make sure there wasn't anything
01:51:03 Speaker 157: incorrect in the data. But since
01:51:04 Speaker 157: that time, we, if May of
01:51:06 Speaker 157: next year, we'll four years of
01:51:09 Speaker 157: data, and also four years of
01:51:10 Speaker 157: growth data, and also we'll be
01:51:11 Speaker 157: able to measure those three 12-hour
01:51:13 Speaker 157: cars that've been added. since the
01:51:14 Speaker 157: start, with with the upcoming two
01:51:17 Speaker 157: more cars coming in in 2027,
01:51:18 Speaker 157: and then another car down the
01:51:19 Speaker 157: road. We'd like to be able
01:51:23 Speaker 157: to look at it and see
01:51:25 Speaker 157: if we're on the right trajectory,
01:51:27 Speaker 157: and see if these that the
01:51:28 Speaker 157: original recommendations still. Do we need
01:51:31 Speaker 157: more or less resources to be
01:51:32 Speaker 157: able to meet those demands as
01:51:34 Speaker 157: we go forward? The other thing
01:51:36 Speaker 157: I'll talk about. it here soon
01:51:41 Speaker 157: is the what we would do
01:51:43 Speaker 157: with this with ORH. There is
01:51:46 Speaker 157: a most likely a change coming
01:51:48 Speaker 157: to the response time standards, and
01:51:50 Speaker 157: we would work that in there
01:51:52 Speaker 157: as well to make sure we're
01:51:55 Speaker 157: on the right path. So, a
01:51:56 Speaker 157: couple new things happening in paramedic
01:51:59 Speaker 157: services that are fairly large is
01:52:00 Speaker 157: one is the it's called Medical
01:52:02 Speaker 157: Priority Dispatch System MPS. This system
01:52:03 Speaker 157: is world renowned, credited. evidence-based triage
01:52:06 Speaker 157: tool that they use at dispatch,
01:52:08 Speaker 157: and it breaks it down into
01:52:10 Speaker 157: five criteria for emergency calls instead
01:52:12 Speaker 157: of right now two. This is
01:52:14 Speaker 157: something that's moving across the province
01:52:16 Speaker 157: to all dispatch centres. Simcoe went
01:52:19 Speaker 157: within the last year. Cambridge, CAC,
01:52:22 Speaker 157: which services Wellington, Waterloo, Dufferin, they're
01:52:24 Speaker 157: actually going right now. Mississauga has
01:52:25 Speaker 157: moved over Ottawa. Niagara and Toronto
01:52:26 Speaker 157: have always been on it. and
01:52:29 Speaker 157: London will go next October. So
01:52:31 Speaker 157: this new programme will help better
01:52:32 Speaker 157: triage calls. I look forward to
01:52:34 Speaker 157: it. It really looks after the
01:52:36 Speaker 157: high priority emergency calls really well.
01:52:39 Speaker 157: For instance, if you had a
01:52:41 Speaker 157: cardiac arrest and and for first
01:52:42 Speaker 157: the first day the first call
01:52:49 Speaker 158: came in, somebody short of breath,
01:52:53 Speaker 158: they were vomiting, and then a
01:52:53 Speaker 159: cardiac arrest came in. Today they're
01:52:57 Speaker 160: both a code four call. The
01:53:01 Speaker 160: thing is, is they they can't
01:53:02 Speaker 160: identify and. They they can't identify
01:53:03 Speaker 160: an obvious immediate threat like a
01:53:05 Speaker 161: cardiac arrest, so they couldn't redirect
01:53:08 Speaker 162: that first ambulance. So what would
01:53:11 Speaker 162: happen is the the first ambulance
01:53:13 Speaker 162: going to the shorter breath, which
01:53:14 Speaker 162: would be a lesser priority but
01:53:15 Speaker 162: still a code four, would would
01:53:18 Speaker 162: have to carry on. In the
01:53:19 Speaker 162: in the system we're in today,
01:53:23 Speaker 162: in the MPDS system, what happens
01:53:25 Speaker 162: is is they're able to blend
01:53:26 Speaker 162: these higher priority calls and say
01:53:28 Speaker 162: cardiac arrest can trump that other
01:53:30 Speaker 163: one. So one they they put
01:53:34 Speaker 164: the colours, purple is your highest.
01:53:38 Speaker 164: They would actually make that a
01:53:40 Speaker 164: purple. and the other one would
01:53:41 Speaker 164: be a red, so it would
01:53:43 Speaker 164: supersede it. So, look forward to
01:53:45 Speaker 164: that type of delineation of calls.
01:53:46 Speaker 164: And then there's also the ability
01:53:48 Speaker 164: on the lower end to better
01:53:49 Speaker 164: triage calls or alternate pathways as
01:53:52 Speaker 68: the system grows. You know, what
01:54:00 Speaker 68: is alternate pathways instead of maybe
01:54:02 Speaker 68: taking people to the hospital? Maybe
01:54:03 Speaker 154: there's other avenues through community paramedicine
01:54:05 Speaker 154: or other community resources as far
01:54:08 Speaker 154: as transport. Now we're in the
01:54:10 Speaker 154: early days of that, but that's
01:54:11 Speaker 154: kind of where the system would
01:54:13 Speaker 154: go. With that, also because of
01:54:15 Speaker 154: the change in MPDS, the province
01:54:16 Speaker 154: is moving forward with a new
01:54:18 Speaker 154: response time standard that will most
01:54:20 Speaker 154: likely be released next year. I
01:54:22 Speaker 154: don't have the timeframe yet. I
01:54:25 Speaker 154: was actually fortunate to be on
01:54:26 Speaker 154: the committee as the developing ones,
01:54:28 Speaker 154: and but we haven't seen it
01:54:30 Speaker 154: officially yet. But we just from
01:54:32 Speaker 154: our association and a meeting just
01:54:33 Speaker 154: at our zone this last week,
01:54:35 Speaker 154: they they still say. it'll be
01:54:36 Speaker 154: happening next year. It'll go away
01:54:38 Speaker 154: from the C task response time
01:54:40 Speaker 154: standards. They'll go back more to
01:54:41 Speaker 154: the dispatch priority. So your your
01:54:45 Speaker 154: code four red red purple reported
01:54:46 Speaker 154: up to the ministry. So with
01:54:48 Speaker 154: that with that ORH, if that's
01:54:49 Speaker 154: the case at that time, we'll
01:54:50 Speaker 154: have the right information. We'll be
01:54:52 Speaker 154: able to use that direction to
01:54:55 Speaker 154: ensure we are on the right
01:54:56 Speaker 154: path. The thing is, when we
01:54:59 Speaker 154: when we work with ORH, we
01:55:00 Speaker 154: really did focus on the 10
01:55:02 Speaker 154: and 15 minutes. Ten and fifteen-minute
01:55:03 Speaker 154: responses: eight minutes for for urban
01:55:05 Speaker 154: and fifteen minutes for rural. So,
01:55:09 Speaker 154: I believe we are on a
01:55:10 Speaker 154: solid path for response times. Good
01:55:12 Speaker 154: questions. Okay, thank you very much.
01:55:13 Speaker 154: We'll put it out for any
01:55:15 Speaker 154: questions for Director McNabb or comments,
01:55:17 Speaker 154: Deputy Warden. Thank you, Madam Warden.
01:55:17 Speaker 154: Thank you, Kevin, for the presentation.
01:55:19 Speaker 154: It's always really interesting to see
01:55:20 Speaker 154: those numbers. I think in the
01:55:22 Speaker 154: past I've asked a question similar.
01:55:23 Speaker 154: You know, it appears at least
01:55:25 Speaker 154: like we've got the really low-hanging
01:55:27 Speaker 154: fruit, and we're working our way
01:55:29 Speaker 154: up the tree, so to speak,
01:55:30 Speaker 68: in terms of how do we
01:55:40 Speaker 68: get those times down, how do
01:55:41 Speaker 68: we get those response rates up.
01:55:42 Speaker 68: And it sounds like the new
01:55:43 Speaker 68: system that you're talking about that
01:55:45 Speaker 165: will happen in next October in
01:55:49 Speaker 165: London. Was it next October or
01:55:51 Speaker 165: this? Next October, but. is it
01:55:52 Speaker 166: still geography that is really hanging
01:55:56 Speaker 166: those numbers where they are, or
01:55:57 Speaker 166: making them steady where they are?
01:55:59 Speaker 166: Or is there something else that
01:56:05 Speaker 167: we can do to try to,
01:56:09 Speaker 167: short of putting more cars on
01:56:11 Speaker 168: the road? Of course, is there
01:56:15 Speaker 168: something else we can be doing
01:56:22 Speaker 169: or looking at to reduce those
01:56:26 Speaker 169: response times? I would say the
01:56:27 Speaker 169: approach that we took. is probably
01:56:29 Speaker 169: about the best approach we could
01:56:31 Speaker 169: take in in rural Ontario, forty
01:56:34 Speaker 169: five hundred square kilometres. Distance is
01:56:35 Speaker 170: an issue, but it also is
01:56:39 Speaker 171: volume. Like each year, our volume
01:56:42 Speaker 172: goes up, and we do have
01:56:45 Speaker 172: concentrate centres. So, if you look
01:56:47 Speaker 173: at the new response time standard,
01:56:50 Speaker 174: they'll actually have standards for urban
01:56:53 Speaker 174: and rural and remote. We will
01:56:54 Speaker 174: have a couple by the looks
01:56:56 Speaker 174: of it, urban Hanover and Owen
01:56:58 Speaker 175: Sound, and the rest will be
01:57:01 Speaker 176: rural. But barring all those numbers,
01:57:06 Speaker 177: I think it's a balance. you
01:57:10 Speaker 177: know. If you live out in
01:57:12 Speaker 177: the country and it takes you
01:57:13 Speaker 178: 15 minutes to get milk, you
01:57:15 Speaker 178: probably understand it takes you 15
01:57:26 Speaker 154: minutes to get an ambulance or
01:57:29 Speaker 179: close to it. But we can't
01:57:31 Speaker 179: have it 25 or 30 because
01:57:33 Speaker 179: we don't have enough cars, and
01:57:35 Speaker 179: try to position ambulances as best
01:57:37 Speaker 180: we can to to make up
01:57:39 Speaker 180: that area. So if you look
01:57:40 Speaker 180: at the work that ORH did,
01:57:42 Speaker 180: you know we know Hanover and
01:57:43 Speaker 157: One Sound are our most concentrated
01:57:46 Speaker 157: municipalities. They were the first ones
01:57:47 Speaker 157: to get an increased car, and
01:57:49 Speaker 157: then. you know, eight and will
01:57:50 Speaker 181: be built. It'll still protect that
01:57:52 Speaker 182: area. We try to push it
01:57:55 Speaker 182: out into the more rural areas.
01:57:57 Speaker 157: But then the next car is
01:57:59 Speaker 157: in Feversham. There's not a ton
01:58:00 Speaker 157: of calls out there, but it's
01:58:03 Speaker 157: a huge area. So what we're
01:58:05 Speaker 157: trying to do is balance out
01:58:07 Speaker 157: the difference between you know, your
01:58:08 Speaker 157: most bang for your buck is
01:58:10 Speaker 157: to put them all in your
01:58:14 Speaker 157: most urban spot. But the thing
01:58:15 Speaker 157: is, you got to balance that
01:58:17 Speaker 157: out to have a you know
01:58:19 Speaker 157: a fair response time for the
01:58:21 Speaker 157: rural area too. So it's trying
01:58:23 Speaker 157: to, I guess, or I guess
01:58:25 Speaker 157: L or H called it the
01:58:27 Speaker 157: morality response times. That's what we
01:58:30 Speaker 157: try to do. Just real quickly,
01:58:31 Speaker 157: I do want to say that
01:58:32 Speaker 157: I appreciate all the work that
01:58:34 Speaker 157: Kevin and his team do. They
01:58:36 Speaker 157: do a tremendous job for the
01:58:37 Speaker 157: county, and I, in no means,
01:58:40 Speaker 157: meant any criticism. I do appreciate
01:58:42 Speaker 157: all the good work that you
01:58:44 Speaker 157: do and your team for sure.
01:58:46 Speaker 157: Thank you. Okay, thank you. So
01:58:48 Speaker 157: I'll look around, and we'll go
01:58:50 Speaker 157: to Councillor Eccles next. Thank you.
01:58:52 Speaker 157: I guess just in the numbers,
01:58:53 Speaker 157: the one that stands out is
01:58:55 Speaker 157: in that first category, the sudden
01:58:56 Speaker 157: cataract, cardiac cataract, cardiac arrest. No,
01:58:59 Speaker 157: no responses in Chatsworth. and Southgate,
01:59:00 Speaker 157: but the other two that kind
01:59:02 Speaker 157: of jump out is that Blue
01:59:03 Speaker 183: Mountains, Gray Georgian Bluffs, and and
01:59:11 Speaker 183: Gray Highlands are zero. Does that
01:59:13 Speaker 183: mean that we didn't meet that
01:59:15 Speaker 183: on any of that? That's zero
01:59:16 Speaker 184: percent. And I guess further to
01:59:19 Speaker 184: you know, is it geography? Is
01:59:21 Speaker 184: it just bad roads and we
01:59:25 Speaker 184: can't get there in those municipalities,
01:59:26 Speaker 185: or you know, how is it
01:59:29 Speaker 185: that? yeah, ninety percent in the
01:59:30 Speaker 64: urban areas, but in our other,
01:59:34 Speaker 64: you know, west grade, we're forty
01:59:36 Speaker 64: percent give or take. We got
01:59:38 Speaker 64: there, but in those three, it's
01:59:42 Speaker 64: zero. And I, yeah, just that
01:59:43 Speaker 64: stands out. Just doesn't seem to
01:59:46 Speaker 64: make sense. Why we couldn't have
01:59:47 Speaker 64: done it at least once, anyways,
01:59:49 Speaker 64: to get ten percent, but it's
01:59:50 Speaker 68: a zero. So this would be
02:00:00 Speaker 68: majority would be geography. If you
02:00:02 Speaker 68: look at a six minute response
02:00:04 Speaker 68: time, the response time is the
02:00:05 Speaker 68: time from the pager goes off
02:00:07 Speaker 68: till we arrive. So if you
02:00:08 Speaker 68: add in a minute to two
02:00:09 Speaker 68: minutes of shoot time to get
02:00:11 Speaker 68: in truck, find it where you're
02:00:13 Speaker 68: going, your drive time is you
02:00:14 Speaker 68: know four, four and a half
02:00:16 Speaker 68: minutes, maybe five minutes. If you
02:00:18 Speaker 68: find it where you're going within
02:00:19 Speaker 68: a minute and get going. If
02:00:20 Speaker 68: you if you look at West
02:00:22 Speaker 68: Grey, the the vast area of
02:00:23 Speaker 157: it. If the ambulances in Durham,
02:00:27 Speaker 157: the ambulance has to most likely
02:00:29 Speaker 157: respond to a cardiac arrest in
02:00:30 Speaker 157: Durham, and and these are sudden
02:00:31 Speaker 157: cardiac arrests. These aren't obvious deaths
02:00:32 Speaker 157: or traumatic deaths. These are people
02:00:34 Speaker 157: that could have been viable that
02:00:37 Speaker 157: haven't. So the numbers are lower,
02:00:39 Speaker 157: I believe, for twenty twenty four.
02:00:41 Speaker 157: It was sixty six calls across
02:00:42 Speaker 157: the county, not not a lot
02:00:44 Speaker 157: of calls. But if you look
02:00:47 Speaker 157: at the numbers in Hanover in
02:00:49 Speaker 157: and Old Sound, like you'll see
02:00:50 Speaker 157: those percentages higher because they are
02:00:52 Speaker 157: isolated to a large centre. Like
02:00:54 Speaker 157: so, so everything seems like escalated.
02:00:56 Speaker 157: But but if you look at
02:00:59 Speaker 157: the size of Gray Highlands or
02:01:01 Speaker 157: Southgate or West Gray, like unless
02:01:03 Speaker 157: those are happening like in the
02:01:05 Speaker 157: in the town of Dundalk or
02:01:07 Speaker 157: in the town of Durham, those
02:01:08 Speaker 157: calls the likelihood. We did a
02:01:09 Speaker 186: presentation probably. Well, when I was
02:01:15 Speaker 186: in this role, so probably six
02:01:16 Speaker 186: years. ago, we actually mapped out
02:01:18 Speaker 186: around a town of what realistically,
02:01:19 Speaker 187: from a base, we could meet
02:01:22 Speaker 187: that target in, and it was
02:01:24 Speaker 187: a good way to tell the
02:01:25 Speaker 187: story of like it really is
02:01:25 Speaker 187: a distance issue. And and I
02:01:27 Speaker 188: know those numbers are low; they
02:01:31 Speaker 189: don't look great, but like that
02:01:33 Speaker 189: six minutes in rural Ontario is
02:01:35 Speaker 189: hard to meet. If I could,
02:01:37 Speaker 190: but in the town of the
02:01:39 Speaker 92: blue, there's a fairly large concentration.
02:01:42 Speaker 92: and we have a car right
02:01:46 Speaker 92: there, but it's still at zero.
02:01:49 Speaker 92: I guess you know we built
02:01:50 Speaker 92: that there to have that response.
02:01:52 Speaker 92: You know, it just shows up
02:01:54 Speaker 92: as something being weird. You know,
02:01:58 Speaker 92: did all the heart attacks happen
02:02:01 Speaker 92: in Ravenna? That far away from?
02:02:02 Speaker 92: It just you know I get
02:02:05 Speaker 92: it. Yeah, Durham, Ann Arbor. You
02:02:08 Speaker 92: know, in those urban areas, vast
02:02:12 Speaker 92: number of people. That's where it's
02:02:15 Speaker 92: going to be. Number of people—that's
02:02:17 Speaker 92: where it's going to be. But
02:02:19 Speaker 92: we invested in the Blue Mountains
02:02:23 Speaker 92: to have that there, and it
02:02:27 Speaker 92: still shows up as zero on
02:02:29 Speaker 92: that sudden cardiac. I, strange. The
02:02:30 Speaker 92: Blue Mountains—it's at right at the
02:02:32 Speaker 92: village, and that is a fairly
02:02:35 Speaker 92: concentrated spot. And if you look
02:02:36 Speaker 92: at even the older age people,
02:02:38 Speaker 92: healthier in that area and stuff
02:02:40 Speaker 92: like that. I'm not saying that's
02:02:42 Speaker 92: the case here, but Blue Mountains
02:02:44 Speaker 92: is a large spot. Like we
02:02:47 Speaker 92: are definitely not making that response
02:02:51 Speaker 92: time in Thornbury. I think it's
02:02:55 Speaker 92: not. It won't happen. Like when
02:02:57 Speaker 92: we get the Thornbury card, there
02:03:02 Speaker 92: or anything that happens there, we
02:03:05 Speaker 92: would make it in that area.
02:03:08 Speaker 92: So, like if it's not happening
02:03:10 Speaker 92: right in that in that core,
02:03:12 Speaker 92: sudden cardiac arrest, we won't make
02:03:14 Speaker 92: it. And and it depends on
02:03:15 Speaker 191: the year. Some years are better
02:03:20 Speaker 191: than others. This is a year
02:03:21 Speaker 191: that they didn't meet, and and
02:03:24 Speaker 191: typically it's where the call took
02:03:25 Speaker 191: place. And like if if if
02:03:26 Speaker 192: it's within that range, we will
02:03:28 Speaker 157: get there. Just if it's outside
02:03:30 Speaker 157: that range, we won't. Or the
02:03:32 Speaker 157: worst-case scenario, we back to the
02:03:35 Speaker 157: dispatch tool. If we're on another
02:03:37 Speaker 157: call, we're assigned to that call,
02:03:39 Speaker 157: and the cardiac arrest comes in
02:03:44 Speaker 157: right after it, then we are
02:03:45 Speaker 157: on that call that may not
02:03:46 Speaker 157: be. We call them obvious immediate
02:03:48 Speaker 157: threats: choking, cardiac arrest, unconscious. Now
02:03:49 Speaker 157: we'll be able to respond off
02:03:50 Speaker 157: of those other calls, even though
02:03:51 Speaker 157: they potentially could be life-threatening. We
02:03:53 Speaker 157: already know there is a real
02:03:55 Speaker 157: life threat, and they'll be able
02:03:56 Speaker 157: to take. us off and assign
02:03:58 Speaker 157: it. Okay, thank you. We're going
02:04:02 Speaker 157: to go to Councillor Greg next.
02:04:04 Speaker 157: Thank you for the opportunity. And
02:04:05 Speaker 157: I would just note we actually
02:04:07 Speaker 157: don't see the exact number of
02:04:10 Speaker 157: calls that came in. So I
02:04:11 Speaker 157: mean, if there was only one
02:04:12 Speaker 157: call and you don't make it
02:04:14 Speaker 157: once, then I'll give you a
02:04:16 Speaker 157: zero percent. There is in the
02:04:19 Speaker 157: charts. It does look like, despite
02:04:22 Speaker 157: the fact that your call volume
02:04:25 Speaker 157: is certainly increasing. That you have
02:04:28 Speaker 157: the capacity to try to respond
02:04:30 Speaker 157: to the new dispatch ranking or
02:04:33 Speaker 157: prioritization, which is is good to
02:04:38 Speaker 157: see. You're hitting 100 in a
02:04:40 Speaker 157: lot of the the C tasks
02:04:41 Speaker 157: four and five in most of
02:04:42 Speaker 157: the communities, so that's great to
02:04:45 Speaker 157: see. And hopefully, this dispatch initiative
02:04:48 Speaker 157: is rewarding. I do have one
02:04:51 Speaker 157: question. This is something from personal
02:04:52 Speaker 157: experience, Kevin. In the last. year,
02:04:54 Speaker 157: I made a call for paramedic
02:04:55 Speaker 157: assistance to an individual who who
02:04:57 Speaker 157: needed such, and I was asked
02:04:58 Speaker 157: by dispatch, "What are your needs?"
02:04:59 Speaker 157: And my response was, "I just
02:05:02 Speaker 157: need an ambulance." They were arrived
02:05:03 Speaker 157: incredibly promptly, and then thirty seconds,
02:05:05 Speaker 157: a minute later, along comes the
02:05:07 Speaker 157: city fire truck, and I didn't
02:05:09 Speaker 157: ask for the city fire truck.
02:05:11 Speaker 157: It's not an egregious cost. to
02:05:13 Speaker 157: the taxpayer because it is a
02:05:16 Speaker 157: full-time department to respond, but it
02:05:18 Speaker 157: is still a soft cost. And
02:05:20 Speaker 157: if that was a rural municipality
02:05:21 Speaker 157: dealing with volunteer call-ins or so
02:05:22 Speaker 157: forth, it would be a more
02:05:25 Speaker 157: significant response when it wasn't asked
02:05:26 Speaker 157: for. This new dispatch system does
02:05:28 Speaker 157: it respond or listen to that
02:05:30 Speaker 157: type of experience from from individuals
02:05:32 Speaker 157: where resources are. valuable, and at
02:05:33 Speaker 186: times we don't want to utilise
02:05:39 Speaker 186: resources that are expensive if if
02:05:41 Speaker 193: they're not necessary. So I'm just
02:05:44 Speaker 193: wondering, the changes in the dispatch,
02:05:45 Speaker 194: does it respond to that type
02:05:48 Speaker 194: of an instance too? When when
02:05:49 Speaker 194: a public member calls in, you
02:05:51 Speaker 195: know, we hear this, and you
02:05:54 Speaker 196: know, public will say, "I didn't
02:05:56 Speaker 197: ask for the fire department, didn't
02:06:00 Speaker 197: ask for the police," but that
02:06:01 Speaker 198: that is those decisions are made
02:06:07 Speaker 199: by very scriptive processes. Very script
02:06:09 Speaker 199: of processes. It's a computer aided
02:06:11 Speaker 24: dispatch system. What question to answer
02:06:15 Speaker 24: next? What resources to send? And
02:06:17 Speaker 24: then based upon where that call
02:06:19 Speaker 24: is categorized, there's different categories that
02:06:21 Speaker 24: trigger a tiered response. So there's
02:06:23 Speaker 24: no real, there's no way to
02:06:24 Speaker 200: override it. So even if somebody
02:06:27 Speaker 201: says, "Well, I don't need this,"
02:06:31 Speaker 201: even if I call and say
02:06:32 Speaker 201: I don't need it, like I'd
02:06:34 Speaker 202: be pretty, like myself, like if
02:06:42 Speaker 202: I was in my supervisor vehicle
02:06:43 Speaker 202: and I was working, but even
02:06:44 Speaker 202: myself as a public number, it
02:06:46 Speaker 203: won't happen. To MPDS, I have
02:06:49 Speaker 203: not drove into the tiered response,
02:06:51 Speaker 203: but I know there's a lot
02:06:53 Speaker 203: of work to do in MPDS
02:06:54 Speaker 203: around tiered response. So, what that
02:06:56 Speaker 203: looks like, if there's going to
02:06:58 Speaker 203: be more choices for them to
02:07:00 Speaker 203: go to and not go to,
02:07:01 Speaker 203: that's something. We do leave tiered
02:07:02 Speaker 203: response, what call criteria they go
02:07:04 Speaker 203: to, up to the fire departments
02:07:06 Speaker 203: themselves. That really is a fire
02:07:10 Speaker 203: that's their choice, guided by their
02:07:11 Speaker 203: council. Guided by their councils, but
02:07:13 Speaker 203: I think we have settled on
02:07:14 Speaker 203: a pretty good response for, especially
02:07:15 Speaker 203: our our our part-time fire departments
02:07:17 Speaker 203: as well. It was a bit
02:07:18 Speaker 203: of a difference, is that they're
02:07:20 Speaker 203: mostly just going to what we
02:07:22 Speaker 68: call the obvious immediate threats, so
02:07:33 Speaker 204: unconscious, cardiac arrest, respiratory arrest, car
02:07:37 Speaker 204: accidents, industrial accidents. One sound goes
02:07:39 Speaker 204: to a bit more, you know,
02:07:40 Speaker 204: full-time fire department, but again, a
02:07:43 Speaker 204: lot of that is up to
02:07:44 Speaker 204: the fire department themselves, but. I
02:07:45 Speaker 204: would say we're also doing a
02:07:48 Speaker 204: lot of work to align tier
02:07:49 Speaker 204: response agreements to prevent errors, so
02:07:50 Speaker 204: that we you know kind of
02:07:53 Speaker 204: if you're if you're the tier
02:07:54 Speaker 204: response and West Grey would be
02:07:56 Speaker 204: similar with handovers. And again, back
02:07:58 Speaker 204: to there's no sense rolling a
02:07:59 Speaker 204: fire department to a chest pain
02:08:01 Speaker 204: call. Taking people out of work,
02:08:04 Speaker 204: the ambulance can handle it quite
02:08:09 Speaker 204: well. If there are issues of
02:08:11 Speaker 204: as far as extrication, we can
02:08:14 Speaker 204: make that call when we get
02:08:15 Speaker 204: there. But for a cardiac arrest.
02:08:18 Speaker 204: you don't want to have to
02:08:20 Speaker 204: wait till you get there to
02:08:23 Speaker 204: call because by the time somebody
02:08:25 Speaker 204: is transporting, you may or may
02:08:27 Speaker 204: not be gone by the time
02:08:28 Speaker 204: they get there. Okay. Thank you.
02:08:31 Speaker 204: And we'll go over to Councillor
02:08:32 Speaker 204: McQueen. You met him more than
02:08:35 Speaker 204: just following up with Councillor Greg's
02:08:37 Speaker 204: comments about resources. I've heard just
02:08:38 Speaker 204: recently of the last Labour Day
02:08:40 Speaker 204: weekend, of an individual that passed
02:08:45 Speaker 204: the long weekend, but. Long weekend,
02:08:47 Speaker 204: the family tried desperately to reach
02:08:48 Speaker 204: the coroner or whoever pronounces people
02:08:51 Speaker 204: deceased. Couldn't get any calls. Ended
02:08:52 Speaker 204: up calling nine one one, OPP,
02:08:55 Speaker 204: fire, and and ambulance showed up.
02:08:56 Speaker 204: It was pretty evident the person
02:08:59 Speaker 204: had passed, but it it couldn't.
02:09:00 Speaker 204: So, again, the point is is
02:09:02 Speaker 204: all showed up. But is that
02:09:03 Speaker 204: a normal? I know it's a
02:09:05 Speaker 204: long weekend, and maybe people weren't
02:09:09 Speaker 204: being able to be reached, but.
02:09:10 Speaker 204: Won't be able to be reached,
02:09:12 Speaker 204: but it just seemed very excessive
02:09:15 Speaker 204: for somebody that's already definitely past
02:09:17 Speaker 204: the point where they're long past.
02:09:18 Speaker 204: I don't want to get any
02:09:20 Speaker 204: details because, ah, but it was
02:09:22 Speaker 204: just I was shared that experience.
02:09:24 Speaker 204: Yeah, I understand what you're saying.
02:09:26 Speaker 68: Common sense to that, but on
02:09:36 Speaker 68: the other side of it is,
02:09:37 Speaker 68: is those decisions made by like
02:09:38 Speaker 68: untrained providers potentially that person someday.
02:09:40 Speaker 68: could be viable. We even see
02:09:42 Speaker 68: it sometimes with car accidents. They
02:09:43 Speaker 68: say, "Well, fire's not needed." Then,
02:09:45 Speaker 68: if they're not called, we get
02:09:46 Speaker 68: there, and it takes us fifteen
02:09:48 Speaker 150: minutes to drive there. Then they're
02:09:51 Speaker 150: trapped. We can't get them out.
02:09:54 Speaker 150: So now we're waiting another fifteen
02:09:57 Speaker 150: minutes. Now we're thirty minutes. It's
02:09:58 Speaker 150: those things about. No system is
02:09:59 Speaker 150: perfect. When when there's a potential
02:10:02 Speaker 150: for life, that's where we you
02:10:04 Speaker 150: know sometimes resources roll and we
02:10:05 Speaker 150: don't need them. We try to
02:10:07 Speaker 150: cancel them as quick as we
02:10:08 Speaker 150: can. But in those settings where
02:10:09 Speaker 150: potential to save a life, then.
02:10:11 Speaker 150: that's where we send resources and
02:10:12 Speaker 150: cancel them off. So appreciate all
02:10:14 Speaker 150: the questions and comments from from
02:10:15 Speaker 150: counselors and and and Kevin's response
02:10:17 Speaker 150: has been spot on in terms
02:10:19 Speaker 68: of some of the challenges that
02:52:02 Speaker 68: our paramedics teams face each and
02:52:04 Speaker 68: every day in terms of the
02:52:05 Speaker 68: distance that they have to cover,
02:52:07 Speaker 68: and and some of the challenges
02:52:08 Speaker 68: and Nan and I were fortunate
02:52:33 Speaker 68: enough to do a ride ride
02:52:35 Speaker 50: along with with Kevin and some
02:52:39 Speaker 50: of his team members and just
02:52:42 Speaker 50: to see some of the dynamics
02:52:43 Speaker 50: that they have to to interact
02:52:45 Speaker 50: with on a on a regular
02:52:46 Speaker 50: basis, whether it's you know some
02:52:48 Speaker 50: patients are doing some tied up
02:52:49 Speaker 50: with cars doing transfers to to
02:52:51 Speaker 50: hospitals well outside of our region,
02:52:54 Speaker 50: and how then they shift resources
02:52:56 Speaker 50: in order to make sure that
02:52:58 Speaker 50: there's enough resources on. on on
02:53:01 Speaker 50: hand and ready to to respond
02:53:02 Speaker 50: as quick as they can. It
02:53:04 Speaker 50: was it was really eye opening
02:53:07 Speaker 50: experience and and just want to
02:53:09 Speaker 50: thank Kevin and his team for
02:53:11 Speaker 50: all that they do each and
02:53:14 Speaker 50: every day. With respect to that,
02:53:17 Speaker 50: I think that's where through the
02:53:20 Speaker 50: deployment review and through some of
02:53:23 Speaker 50: the improvements that are proposed as
02:53:24 Speaker 50: part of that, in order to
02:53:28 Speaker 50: respond to the increase response response
02:53:29 Speaker 50: that we continue. to see each
02:53:32 Speaker 50: and every year continues to grow
02:53:34 Speaker 50: based on our population growth and
02:53:35 Speaker 50: based on our demographics within Gray
02:53:36 Speaker 50: County. I think it's important to
02:53:39 Speaker 50: continue on with those. As Kevin
02:53:41 Speaker 50: noted, we're going to ask for
02:53:42 Speaker 50: just to revisit that, just do
02:53:50 Speaker 205: a gut check in twenty twenty
02:53:53 Speaker 205: six, make sure we're still on
02:53:55 Speaker 205: the right path based on what
02:53:56 Speaker 205: we're seeing from a response activity
02:53:58 Speaker 205: plus a growth perspective. But the
02:54:00 Speaker 205: importance of adding some of those
02:54:01 Speaker 205: additional bases, those additional vehicles, staff,
02:54:02 Speaker 206: and Additional vehicles, staff enhancements. I
02:54:05 Speaker 206: think it's critical in order to
02:54:07 Speaker 206: continue to to make sure that
02:54:08 Speaker 207: we're able to respond as quickly
02:54:11 Speaker 207: as as as we can. So
02:54:12 Speaker 207: again, thanks Kevin and his team
02:54:15 Speaker 207: for all that they do each
02:54:17 Speaker 207: and every day, and and yeah,
02:54:19 Speaker 207: appreciate. Okay, thank you. So that
02:54:21 Speaker 207: does look like that's the end,
02:54:24 Speaker 207: and I'll just verify online. We
02:54:27 Speaker 207: don't have any hands up. Okay,
02:54:29 Speaker 207: all right. So thank you. both,
02:54:32 Speaker 207: Director Minkov, and thank you for
02:54:33 Speaker 208: to the CAO for what you've
02:54:37 Speaker 208: just added there. I'll call the
02:54:38 Speaker 208: question. All those in favour? And
02:54:40 Speaker 209: that motion is carried. Okay. Now,
02:54:43 Speaker 209: logistically, we the next presentation may
02:54:45 Speaker 209: take a bit. We also have
02:54:47 Speaker 209: some staff logistics to make sure
02:54:49 Speaker 209: that they're able to present in
02:54:51 Speaker 209: time. However, lunch has arrived five
02:54:54 Speaker 209: minutes ago, and it is a
02:54:56 Speaker 209: hot lunch, so we are going
02:54:58 Speaker 209: to need to call lunch at
02:55:00 Speaker 209: this point. But if we can
02:55:01 Speaker 209: keep ourselves to be back in
02:55:02 Speaker 209: our seats by quarter two. That
02:55:04 Speaker 209: would make sure that staff have
02:55:06 Speaker 209: adequate time to be able to
02:55:08 Speaker 209: present the material for the next
02:55:10 Speaker 209: item. Okay, so we'll do that
02:55:13 Speaker 209: until twelve forty-five. Please, thank you.
02:55:15 Speaker 209: Okay. If I can welcome all
02:55:18 Speaker 209: of our county council members back
02:55:20 Speaker 209: to their seats, and the clerk
02:55:22 Speaker 209: is just coming up to the
02:55:24 Speaker 209: dais, and we will get started
02:55:25 Speaker 209: shortly. Okay, welcome back, County Council.
02:55:27 Speaker 209: We are going to continue now,
02:55:30 Speaker 209: and I thank Senior Planner Hillier
02:55:33 Speaker 209: and Engineering Manager Ireton for their
02:55:36 Speaker 209: patience while we need to break.
02:55:38 Speaker 209: But you have our fresh, full
02:55:40 Speaker 209: attention at this point in time.
02:55:42 Speaker 209: So I would like to put
02:55:44 Speaker 209: it out that we are at
02:55:46 Speaker 209: Item Seven D, and the recommendation
02:55:49 Speaker 209: is that report PDRCW fifty one
02:55:51 Speaker 209: twenty five. 5125 be received, and
02:55:54 Speaker 209: that the committee supports a request
02:55:56 Speaker 209: from the Ministry of Transportation to
02:55:59 Speaker 209: prohibit a future fourth leg extension
02:56:01 Speaker 209: on lands east of Grey Road
02:56:04 Speaker 209: Five at the newly proposed intersection
02:56:06 Speaker 209: of Grey Road Five and the
02:56:09 Speaker 209: New City Street, and New City
02:56:11 Speaker 209: Street, accessing the future site of
02:56:13 Speaker 209: the Bruce Grey Catholic District School
02:56:17 Speaker 209: Board Secondary School, and that Grey
02:56:20 Speaker 209: County maintains the requirement of a
02:56:23 Speaker 209: 90 km. Of a 90 kilometre
02:56:25 Speaker 209: per hour design speed for Grey
02:56:26 Speaker 209: Road Five in the area of
02:56:28 Speaker 209: the proposed intersection. So there will
02:56:32 Speaker 209: be a detailed presentation to follow.
02:56:35 Speaker 209: But if I can get a
02:56:37 Speaker 209: mover and a seconder to get
02:56:38 Speaker 209: that on the floor, moved by
02:56:39 Speaker 209: Councillor Dicker, seconded by the Deputy
02:56:41 Speaker 209: Warden. So it's now on the
02:56:43 Speaker 209: floor for discussion. And welcome, Miss
02:56:45 Speaker 209: Hillier. Thank you so much, Warden
02:56:47 Speaker 209: Metressal. Much Warden Matrasov and good
02:56:49 Speaker 209: afternoon, County Council and everyone joining
02:56:50 Speaker 209: us in person or online today.
02:56:53 Speaker 209: So yeah, Trevor and I will
02:56:56 Speaker 209: be tag teaming this one. So
02:56:58 Speaker 209: I'm going to start us out
02:57:00 Speaker 209: and then hand it over to
02:57:03 Speaker 209: Trevor shortly here. But before
02:57:06 Speaker 209: we begin, as the recommendation in
02:57:09 Speaker 209: front of you notes, there's there's
02:57:11 Speaker 209: two separate items that are discussed
02:57:15 Speaker 209: within the report and that we're
02:57:17 Speaker 209: going to speak to today. So
02:57:19 Speaker 209: the first one being a request
02:57:21 Speaker 209: for a resolution that we've received
02:57:24 Speaker 209: from MTO that I'm going to
02:57:27 Speaker 209: speak to, and the second being
02:57:30 Speaker 209: that our transportation services is looking
02:57:32 Speaker 209: for some input from council with
02:57:34 Speaker 209: regards to the proposed road design
02:57:34 Speaker 209: for Gray Road Five as a
02:57:37 Speaker 209: result of the new school site
02:57:40 Speaker 209: there. So, just as a bit
02:57:43 Speaker 209: of background, so the county and
02:57:46 Speaker 209: the City of Owen Sound and
02:57:48 Speaker 209: MTO have been working alongside
02:57:50 Speaker 209: the Bruce Gray Catholic District School
02:57:52 Speaker 209: Board for probably about close to
02:57:55 Speaker 209: the past two years. now, in
02:57:56 Speaker 209: helping them to identify and prepare
02:57:57 Speaker 210: a site for a new secondary
02:58:01 Speaker 210: school in Owen Sound. So just
02:58:02 Speaker 210: where, so that we're all on
02:58:03 Speaker 210: the same page in terms of
02:58:05 Speaker 209: the location of this site, we've
02:58:07 Speaker 209: got a map up there. So
02:58:09 Speaker 209: this is the far eastern boundary
02:58:11 Speaker 209: of the city of Owen Sound.
02:58:12 Speaker 209: So as we can see, it
02:58:14 Speaker 209: has frontage on 28th Avenue East,
02:58:16 Speaker 209: which is also Grey Road Five.
02:58:18 Speaker 209: It's just north of Eighth Street
02:58:19 Speaker 209: East and south. of Highway Twenty
02:58:22 Speaker 209: One. So, if you can imagine
02:58:23 Speaker 209: where that Van Dolders business is
02:58:26 Speaker 209: at the intersection of Highway Twenty
02:58:29 Speaker 209: One and Twenty Eighth Avenue East,
02:58:31 Speaker 209: the site is just south of
02:58:32 Speaker 209: there. It's also bound; also has
02:58:34 Speaker 209: a western boundary on the County's
02:58:37 Speaker 211: Rail Trail. And so, over the
02:58:40 Speaker 209: past couple of years, as as
02:58:43 Speaker 209: I said, the county has been
02:58:46 Speaker 209: collabourating with the city, school board,
02:58:49 Speaker 209: and MTO on this project. The
02:58:52 Speaker 209: Owens. The Owen City of Owen
02:58:54 Speaker 209: Sound has recently approved a consent
02:58:57 Speaker 209: application to establish the parcel that
02:58:59 Speaker 209: the school would be situated on.
02:59:01 Speaker 209: They've also recently approved a zoning
02:59:05 Speaker 209: bylaw amendment to establish the school
02:59:10 Speaker 209: use. The city is currently in
02:59:12 Speaker 209: the works of working towards a
02:59:14 Speaker 212: site plan agreement with the school
02:59:17 Speaker 212: board. And in terms of timelines
02:59:19 Speaker 209: for construction, the school board would
02:59:21 Speaker 209: would ideally like to start some
02:59:24 Speaker 209: site grading works. this fall season,
02:59:27 Speaker 209: with construction to commence during spring
02:59:29 Speaker 209: 2026. So, in order to facilitate
02:59:31 Speaker 209: the construction of the school, this
02:59:33 Speaker 209: being a new what we call
02:59:37 Speaker 209: green fields development area of the
02:59:40 Speaker 209: city, some new local road infrastructure
02:59:42 Speaker 209: is required in this area. And
02:59:45 Speaker 209: so, again, based on sort of
02:59:47 Speaker 209: a lot of back and forth
02:59:49 Speaker 209: we've had with the city, it
02:59:52 Speaker 209: was determined that the best location
02:59:55 Speaker 209: for this new potential local road
02:59:57 Speaker 209: would be just north of kind
03:00:01 Speaker 209: of that that that site that
03:00:03 Speaker 209: we're seeing there. So I'll I'll
03:00:05 Speaker 209: give you a closer look of
03:00:07 Speaker 209: what that looks like in a
03:00:10 Speaker 209: second here. So some of the
03:00:12 Speaker 209: the conversation that we've had along
03:00:13 Speaker 209: the situating of this new road
03:00:17 Speaker 209: is that it doesn't conform to
03:00:20 Speaker 209: the county's separation distance requirements between
03:00:24 Speaker 209: new intersections or between intersections, and
03:00:27 Speaker 209: similarly with MTO, it doesn't conform
03:00:28 Speaker 209: to their intersections. To their intersection
03:00:30 Speaker 209: separation distance requirements, and so as
03:00:33 Speaker 209: a result of this, MTO has
03:00:35 Speaker 209: suggested that they could support
03:00:37 Speaker 209: the development of this road, but
03:00:40 Speaker 209: in doing so, they would request
03:00:44 Speaker 209: that Grey County pass a resolution
03:00:46 Speaker 209: such that a fourth leg extension
03:00:48 Speaker 209: would not be added to that
03:00:49 Speaker 209: intersection in the future. So again,
03:00:53 Speaker 209: I'll explain a little bit more
03:00:55 Speaker 209: in detail what that looks like
03:00:59 Speaker 209: in principle. So as part of
03:01:01 Speaker 209: this. work, a transportation impact study
03:01:02 Speaker 209: has been prepared by the school
03:01:04 Speaker 209: board, and as Trevor will speak
03:01:06 Speaker 209: to, Gray County Transportation Services is
03:01:08 Speaker 209: recommending a road design speed of
03:01:09 Speaker 209: 90 kilometres per hour here, which
03:01:11 Speaker 209: is different than the direction that's
03:01:14 Speaker 209: been put forward by the TIS
03:01:17 Speaker 209: at this stage. So, again, just
03:01:19 Speaker 209: to give us a sense of
03:01:21 Speaker 209: kind of what that approved school
03:01:23 Speaker 209: site looks like, there might be
03:01:26 Speaker 209: some slight variation as the school
03:01:28 Speaker 209: and the city move towards. And
03:01:30 Speaker 209: the city moved towards a site
03:01:33 Speaker 209: plan agreement process, but this was
03:01:36 Speaker 209: sort of the diagram that was
03:01:38 Speaker 209: put forward for the purposes of
03:01:39 Speaker 209: the zoning application. And so you
03:01:41 Speaker 209: can see the school there, kind
03:01:44 Speaker 209: of to the right of the
03:01:46 Speaker 209: screen, that would be situated closer
03:01:47 Speaker 209: to Gray Road Five or Twenty
03:01:50 Speaker 209: Eighth Avenue East. That future local
03:01:52 Speaker 209: road B is is just north
03:01:55 Speaker 209: of the school building there, and
03:01:56 Speaker 209: so would be that intersection of
03:01:58 Speaker 213: that future local road B and
03:02:06 Speaker 214: the Twenty Eighth Avenue East. That's
03:02:08 Speaker 214: in. Eighth Avenue East—that's in question
03:02:11 Speaker 215: here. So this is a diagram
03:02:14 Speaker 215: that was provided within the transportation
03:02:17 Speaker 215: impact study. So that yellow arrow
03:02:19 Speaker 215: there—that is just to situate us
03:02:21 Speaker 215: where this new intersection would be
03:02:24 Speaker 215: located. And so essentially, what MTO
03:02:25 Speaker 215: has suggested is that the lands
03:02:26 Speaker 215: to the east there, across the
03:02:30 Speaker 215: road from the school, there—they are
03:02:32 Speaker 215: recommending that no. They are recommending
03:02:34 Speaker 215: that no future access be permitted
03:02:35 Speaker 215: onto those onto that property, and
03:02:38 Speaker 215: again, that the county pass a
03:02:40 Speaker 215: resolution to that effect. So we
03:02:40 Speaker 215: have had some back and forth
03:02:42 Speaker 215: discussions with MTO on this matter,
03:02:46 Speaker 215: and there are some important planning
03:02:48 Speaker 215: considerations to recognize here. So as
03:02:50 Speaker 215: noted, this the school lands themselves
03:02:51 Speaker 215: fall within the primary settlement area
03:02:52 Speaker 215: of the city of Owen Sound,
03:02:54 Speaker 215: but they do abut. the settlement
03:02:59 Speaker 215: area boundary, and across the road
03:03:01 Speaker 215: is where the the line for
03:03:02 Speaker 215: the municipality of Meaford is. So
03:03:06 Speaker 215: lands to the east of Gray
03:03:07 Speaker 215: Road Five are located within the
03:03:10 Speaker 215: municipality of Meaford. Those lands are
03:03:12 Speaker 215: also located within the Niagara Escarpment
03:03:13 Speaker 215: Plan area, which of course doesn't
03:03:14 Speaker 215: really permit urban development. It's also
03:03:15 Speaker 215: outside of the defined settlement area
03:03:16 Speaker 215: boundary. So there are many things
03:03:19 Speaker 215: that would have to change from
03:03:20 Speaker 215: a planning policy perspective in order
03:03:21 Speaker 216: for most forms of development to
03:03:24 Speaker 217: be viable on the on the
03:03:32 Speaker 217: property across the road. Having said
03:03:33 Speaker 215: that, MTO would still like us
03:03:36 Speaker 215: to to pass this resolution. Again,
03:03:38 Speaker 215: if there were a a development
03:03:41 Speaker 215: proposal or or you know in
03:03:43 Speaker 215: twenty five years from now things
03:03:45 Speaker 215: were to change, we can certainly
03:03:48 Speaker 215: have that conversation with MTO again,
03:03:49 Speaker 215: and and there's there's many opportunities
03:03:52 Speaker 215: through that planning process, through that
03:03:54 Speaker 215: pre-submission process to have those conversations.
03:03:57 Speaker 215: We did note to MTO that
03:03:58 Speaker 215: the county is is undertaking quite
03:03:59 Speaker 215: a thorough process right now of
03:04:03 Speaker 215: having discussions with lower tier municipalities
03:04:04 Speaker 215: with regards to the potential transfer
03:04:06 Speaker 215: of county roads within settlement areas
03:04:10 Speaker 215: to the lower tier municipalities. So
03:04:13 Speaker 215: in this case. we anticipate that
03:04:15 Speaker 215: that gray road, that section of
03:04:18 Speaker 215: Gray Road Five, would be transferred
03:04:19 Speaker 215: likely to the city of Owingsound
03:04:21 Speaker 218: in future. We did note that
03:04:24 Speaker 218: you know if we were to
03:04:26 Speaker 215: pass that resolution now, it likely
03:04:28 Speaker 215: wouldn't be binding on the city.
03:04:29 Speaker 215: And we we did discuss you
03:04:31 Speaker 215: know even if we were to
03:04:32 Speaker 215: support this resolution at this stage,
03:04:33 Speaker 215: there is the potential in future
03:04:37 Speaker 215: to redact that resolution if we
03:04:39 Speaker 215: if you know development did become
03:04:40 Speaker 215: viable. in future, and that's subject
03:04:41 Speaker 215: to further discussion, of course. So,
03:04:43 Speaker 215: with these things considered at this
03:04:43 Speaker 215: stage, you know, county are the
03:04:46 Speaker 215: county is really looking to support
03:04:49 Speaker 215: the city and to support the
03:04:51 Speaker 215: school board and making this development
03:04:52 Speaker 215: of the school site feasible within
03:04:54 Speaker 215: the next year. And so, we
03:04:55 Speaker 215: are recommending to county council at
03:04:57 Speaker 215: this stage to support the request
03:05:01 Speaker 215: from MTO to develop this resolution.
03:05:03 Speaker 215: And I'll just pass it over
03:05:06 Speaker 215: to. And I'll just pass it
03:05:08 Speaker 215: off over to Trevor at this
03:05:10 Speaker 215: stage to speak about the road
03:05:13 Speaker 215: design piece. Good afternoon, County Council.
03:05:14 Speaker 215: So yeah, I'm gonna. Well, thank
03:05:17 Speaker 215: you, Becky, again for speaking about
03:05:21 Speaker 215: the planning side of this development.
03:05:24 Speaker 215: So what I'm going to speak
03:05:26 Speaker 215: about is mostly design related. So
03:05:28 Speaker 215: it's can be probably pretty technical,
03:05:30 Speaker 215: but I'll try to kind of
03:05:33 Speaker 215: walk through it and. make it
03:05:35 Speaker 215: as easy and straightforward as I
03:05:38 Speaker 215: can. So we have a hill
03:05:39 Speaker 215: that, basically, just south of the
03:05:43 Speaker 215: intersection with I twenty six. There's
03:05:44 Speaker 215: a bit of a crest hill
03:05:47 Speaker 215: that, as you drive over that,
03:05:48 Speaker 215: the new intersection is going to
03:05:51 Speaker 215: be in a situation where we
03:05:52 Speaker 215: don't have sufficient sight distance based
03:05:53 Speaker 215: on a one hundred kilometre design
03:05:55 Speaker 215: speed, and that's typically what we
03:05:57 Speaker 215: would use on any of our
03:05:59 Speaker 215: county roads, and it's sort of
03:06:02 Speaker 215: an industry practice to be twenty.
03:06:04 Speaker 215: Just to be 20 kilometres over
03:06:05 Speaker 215: your posted speed. What we do
03:06:10 Speaker 215: look at by going through the
03:06:12 Speaker 219: data, I'll get to that kind
03:06:18 Speaker 219: of information here shortly. But by
03:06:20 Speaker 219: reducing to a 90 kilometre design
03:06:21 Speaker 215: speed, we can accommodate that sight
03:06:26 Speaker 215: distance, and that really just makes
03:06:27 Speaker 215: sure that you know if a
03:06:30 Speaker 215: car comes over top of the
03:06:33 Speaker 215: crest of the hill and you
03:06:36 Speaker 215: see someone pulling out of the
03:06:38 Speaker 215: new school, that there's not going
03:06:40 Speaker 215: to be a situation where they
03:06:41 Speaker 215: could drive into the side of
03:06:42 Speaker 215: them. So I can go to
03:06:46 Speaker 215: next. So, we completed some traffic
03:06:49 Speaker 215: counts here in the spring of
03:06:52 Speaker 215: 2025, and so based on that
03:06:54 Speaker 215: traffic count information, it supports what
03:06:57 Speaker 215: we already recognized in that area.
03:06:59 Speaker 215: What we noticed is that the
03:07:01 Speaker 215: 85th percentile speed for that road
03:07:04 Speaker 215: for the southbound direction, which is
03:07:06 Speaker 215: really the critical one in this
03:07:08 Speaker 215: situation, is. eighty-five kilometres per hour.
03:07:11 Speaker 215: So, what's good about this is
03:07:14 Speaker 215: this actually lower compared to a
03:07:16 Speaker 215: lot of our county roads. A
03:07:17 Speaker 215: lot of our county roads sit
03:07:19 Speaker 215: around ninety to ninety-two. So, eighty-five
03:07:21 Speaker 215: does help us in this situation
03:07:23 Speaker 215: in terms of vehicle speeds in
03:07:27 Speaker 215: the area. During that two-week, roughly
03:07:33 Speaker 215: two-week period, we had about twenty-six
03:07:36 Speaker 215: thousand vehicles recorded. So, out of
03:07:38 Speaker 215: those twenty-six thousand vehicles, we recognize
03:07:39 Speaker 215: that thirty-two percent of the south.
03:07:41 Speaker 215: That 32% of the southbound vehicles
03:07:43 Speaker 215: were going 80 kilometres per hour
03:07:46 Speaker 215: or greater. We also saw that
03:07:49 Speaker 215: 6% were 90 kilometres per hour,
03:07:51 Speaker 215: and most of those peak speeds
03:07:53 Speaker 215: happened between the hours of 3
03:07:56 Speaker 215: and 6 p.m., which of course
03:07:57 Speaker 215: is probably a peak period for
03:07:59 Speaker 215: the school as well, with students
03:08:00 Speaker 215: leaving in the afternoon. One of
03:08:02 Speaker 215: the elements, and so on the
03:08:04 Speaker 215: right here, you can see that
03:08:06 Speaker 215: we have a histogram for speed.
03:08:08 Speaker 215: So just to kind of give
03:08:11 Speaker 215: you an idea of what this
03:08:13 Speaker 215: chart is showing, basically for the
03:08:14 Speaker 215: each vehicle. so if a vehicle
03:08:18 Speaker 215: is driving eighty kilometres per hour,
03:08:20 Speaker 215: it's going to represent one little
03:08:22 Speaker 215: tick on the bar. And the
03:08:24 Speaker 215: higher the bar is, the blue
03:08:26 Speaker 215: bars, the more vehicles driving at
03:08:28 Speaker 215: that speed. So, what's great about
03:08:30 Speaker 215: this distribution is it's very symmetrical,
03:08:33 Speaker 215: which is a great representation for
03:08:36 Speaker 215: us because it means that the
03:08:40 Speaker 215: drivers are driving based on the
03:08:42 Speaker 215: conditions and the speeds or the
03:08:45 Speaker 215: speed limit that is posted is
03:08:46 Speaker 215: being followed. relatively well, and basically
03:08:48 Speaker 215: the peak you can see where
03:08:50 Speaker 215: the dashed eighty line is. That's
03:08:51 Speaker 215: relatively where the average speed of
03:08:53 Speaker 215: vehicles is. So again, a good
03:08:54 Speaker 215: distribution for us. What we do
03:09:00 Speaker 215: notice in situations where there are
03:09:01 Speaker 215: problems, if you basically the distribution
03:09:03 Speaker 215: will change. So you might see
03:09:06 Speaker 215: a sharper peak on the left
03:09:09 Speaker 215: side, and then as it comes
03:09:11 Speaker 215: to the top, you'll see a.
03:09:12 Speaker 215: broader distribution and more of a
03:09:14 Speaker 215: tapered outside on the higher speed
03:09:17 Speaker 215: section. And what that means is
03:09:19 Speaker 215: that there's a lot of speed
03:09:21 Speaker 215: disparity. And what speed disparity means
03:09:23 Speaker 215: is you'll have vehicles maybe going
03:09:25 Speaker 215: 60 versus vehicles going 80, and
03:09:27 Speaker 215: then you get wider ranges of
03:09:30 Speaker 215: that traffic. And for that us
03:09:31 Speaker 215: for us, that's a concern because
03:09:32 Speaker 215: what happens is it causes angry
03:09:34 Speaker 215: driving, basically more potential for poor
03:09:36 Speaker 215: decision making from drivers. So, we
03:09:39 Speaker 215: have had the request from both
03:09:41 Speaker 215: the school board and the city
03:09:43 Speaker 215: to look at a sixty-kilometre zone
03:09:45 Speaker 215: here. So, we typically, when we
03:09:48 Speaker 215: do speed limit analysis, we use
03:09:53 Speaker 215: the Transportation Association of Canada's speed
03:09:54 Speaker 215: limit guidelines, and what that is
03:09:55 Speaker 215: is basically it's a a form
03:09:57 Speaker 215: that has a number of different
03:09:59 Speaker 215: elements to it that you fill
03:10:02 Speaker 215: in different criteria. So. a lot
03:10:03 Speaker 215: of them here listed like roadside
03:10:05 Speaker 215: geometry, various hazards, number of intersections
03:10:08 Speaker 215: and entrances along the stretch of
03:10:11 Speaker 215: roadway, also pedestrian and cyclist activity
03:10:15 Speaker 215: items like that. So you measure
03:10:18 Speaker 215: those criteria, and then basically the
03:10:20 Speaker 215: output of the rubric will come
03:10:22 Speaker 215: up with a suggested posted speed.
03:10:26 Speaker 215: So in this situation, what we
03:10:28 Speaker 215: determined was that the roadside conditions
03:10:29 Speaker 220: generate a 90 kilometre design speed.
03:10:32 Speaker 220: but based on policy, it recommends
03:10:35 Speaker 221: an 80 kilometre design speed, and
03:10:37 Speaker 221: that's largely based on the fact
03:10:39 Speaker 222: that we don't generally use 90
03:10:42 Speaker 222: kilometre roads in Grey County. So,
03:10:43 Speaker 223: a lot of it's driven by
03:10:48 Speaker 223: that is our kind of general
03:10:51 Speaker 223: maximum speed. So, we've also reviewed
03:10:53 Speaker 223: a lot of kind of international.
03:10:54 Speaker 223: There's basically a report that was
03:10:57 Speaker 223: done in Sweden that looked at.
03:10:59 Speaker 223: I believe was just shy of
03:11:00 Speaker 223: thirty thousand kilometres of roadway, where
03:11:02 Speaker 223: they did either speed reductions or
03:11:07 Speaker 224: speed reduction or speed increases on
03:11:09 Speaker 224: those roadway, and then generate or
03:11:11 Speaker 223: basically recorded what the effect of
03:11:14 Speaker 223: the change was. So, where this
03:11:15 Speaker 223: comes in play, this was strictly
03:11:18 Speaker 223: looking at if you just take
03:11:19 Speaker 223: an eighty-kilometre-per-hour road and drop it
03:11:26 Speaker 223: to seventy, and that's the only
03:11:28 Speaker 223: change you make. What is the
03:11:29 Speaker 223: impact on drivers for that? And
03:11:31 Speaker 223: what they found, they had seventeen
03:11:32 Speaker 223: hundred. They had 1,700 kilometres that
03:11:34 Speaker 223: were reduced, and in that they
03:11:36 Speaker 223: found that the average driver speed
03:11:38 Speaker 223: for every 10 kilometres reduced only
03:11:41 Speaker 223: dropped by about two to three.
03:11:42 Speaker 223: Basically, what we found as well
03:11:44 Speaker 223: when we do a speed reduction
03:11:47 Speaker 223: or speed increase in the county,
03:11:49 Speaker 223: we'll put counters out before and
03:11:52 Speaker 223: after that change to record those
03:11:56 Speaker 223: as well. Basically, create a similar
03:11:58 Speaker 223: process as this study, and we've
03:12:02 Speaker 223: found through predominantly through most of
03:12:03 Speaker 223: those studies, our basically what we
03:12:06 Speaker 223: see supports that claim that they
03:12:08 Speaker 223: found in the study. So I
03:12:10 Speaker 223: think of some of the ones
03:12:12 Speaker 223: like in Dundalk, where we dropped
03:12:14 Speaker 223: from fifty to forty, we'd see
03:12:16 Speaker 223: the average speed in Dundalk dropped
03:12:17 Speaker 223: about three or four kilometres per
03:12:19 Speaker 223: hour. So again, it kind of
03:12:20 Speaker 223: follows that same process. So in
03:12:21 Speaker 223: this case, by dropping to a
03:12:23 Speaker 223: sixty-kilometre per hour, we could potentially
03:12:25 Speaker 223: see. approximately about an 80 kilometre,
03:12:28 Speaker 223: 85th percentile speed, and what that
03:12:30 Speaker 223: means with the 85th percentile, it
03:12:33 Speaker 223: basically means that 15% of the
03:12:35 Speaker 223: vehicles will now be going over
03:12:38 Speaker 223: 80. And before, when we mentioned
03:12:45 Speaker 225: 6%, we're over 90. We would
03:12:48 Speaker 225: likely see a reduction on that
03:12:50 Speaker 225: as well. So, what that really
03:12:51 Speaker 223: does is, if we end up
03:12:55 Speaker 223: designing the road to a 90
03:12:59 Speaker 223: kilometres design speed, we basically, if
03:13:03 Speaker 223: conditions stay the same and we
03:13:05 Speaker 223: remain posted, we're seeing roughly 6%.
03:13:06 Speaker 223: Posted, we're seeing roughly six percent
03:13:10 Speaker 223: of vehicles that could be in
03:13:12 Speaker 223: a potential situation where they're going
03:13:14 Speaker 223: too fast, which doesn't really fall
03:13:16 Speaker 223: outside of the realm of really
03:13:18 Speaker 223: any of our roads. There's typically
03:13:20 Speaker 223: always that vast set of drivers
03:13:22 Speaker 223: that are just in that data
03:13:23 Speaker 223: set and exceed those ranges. Where
03:13:24 Speaker 223: we would see, so we did
03:13:25 Speaker 223: drop to sixty, and we did
03:13:27 Speaker 223: adjust that down again. That would
03:13:31 Speaker 223: help us in that sense, but
03:13:34 Speaker 223: it also puts us more into
03:13:37 Speaker 223: the situation of creating bigger speed
03:13:40 Speaker 223: disparity and creating a higher risk
03:13:41 Speaker 223: in terms of collisions and incidents
03:13:43 Speaker 223: due to that bigger speed disparity.
03:13:45 Speaker 223: And there's numerous numerous reports and
03:13:49 Speaker 223: studies that also support that realm.
03:13:51 Speaker 223: And the issue there, because the
03:13:56 Speaker 223: bulk of your traffic is in
03:13:57 Speaker 223: that range, the risk of any
03:14:00 Speaker 223: sort of incident is far greater
03:14:03 Speaker 223: than kind of the low end.
03:14:05 Speaker 223: And kind of the low end
03:14:06 Speaker 223: of the upper speed vehicles when
03:14:09 Speaker 223: you have a nice standard deviation.
03:14:12 Speaker 223: So we found that basically, in
03:14:15 Speaker 223: our opinion, the risk associated with
03:14:16 Speaker 223: that doesn't outweigh the benefits gained
03:14:18 Speaker 223: by dropping the speed in this
03:14:19 Speaker 223: situation. What also tends to happen
03:14:21 Speaker 223: here, because the conditions of the
03:14:22 Speaker 223: road aren't really changing, even with
03:14:27 Speaker 223: the school development being built, it
03:14:30 Speaker 223: will be offset from the road
03:14:31 Speaker 223: from a visual perspective. for drivers,
03:14:34 Speaker 223: there's not a huge amount of
03:14:37 Speaker 223: hues or anything that's going to
03:14:40 Speaker 223: change. So again, creating that disparity
03:14:41 Speaker 223: in vehicle speeds, we may see
03:14:48 Speaker 223: more, you know, poor decisions around
03:14:49 Speaker 39: passing or just issues that we
03:14:52 Speaker 39: don't really want when there could
03:14:53 Speaker 39: be potential for maybe students standing
03:14:54 Speaker 39: at the side of the road
03:14:57 Speaker 226: on their break. So one of
03:15:00 Speaker 227: the main restrictions with the and
03:15:04 Speaker 228: why we've essentially come to the
03:15:08 Speaker 228: point where we would go to
03:15:10 Speaker 228: a 90 or accept a 90
03:15:13 Speaker 228: kilometre design speed is largely due
03:15:15 Speaker 228: to two high pressure gas mains
03:15:18 Speaker 228: that are in the west shoulder
03:15:22 Speaker 228: of the road relocation. If we
03:15:28 Speaker 228: were to go to 100 kilometre
03:15:30 Speaker 228: design speed, which would be ideal,
03:15:31 Speaker 228: the gas pipelines would be at
03:15:37 Speaker 229: a insignificant depth, and we'd require
03:15:39 Speaker 229: replacement or sorry relocation, which would
03:15:40 Speaker 229: be very considerable costs. in conversations
03:15:42 Speaker 229: with the gas companies, so they're
03:15:43 Speaker 230: very limiting in that sense. What
03:15:46 Speaker 230: we can do, they are deep
03:15:48 Speaker 230: enough. We've done some borehole, or
03:15:49 Speaker 230: the school board's done borehole data
03:15:57 Speaker 230: to support that. They are deep
03:16:00 Speaker 231: enough that they could still get
03:16:02 Speaker 232: away with building a road at
03:16:06 Speaker 232: a 90 kilometre design speed. Although
03:16:11 Speaker 232: there is constraints that they'd have
03:16:12 Speaker 233: to work around, which are not
03:16:15 Speaker 233: out of the ordinary with gas
03:16:17 Speaker 234: mains, but they do come with
03:16:22 Speaker 234: some costs and some additional timing
03:16:23 Speaker 235: in order. to accommodate it, but
03:16:25 Speaker 235: again, it's really just not vibrating
03:16:35 Speaker 215: around the gas mains. No heavy
03:16:39 Speaker 215: equipment directly on them. Items that
03:16:43 Speaker 215: many contractors are aware of and
03:16:44 Speaker 215: deal with on many projects throughout
03:16:45 Speaker 215: our county and the province itself.
03:16:46 Speaker 215: So, by utilising a 90 kilometre
03:16:49 Speaker 215: design speed, we can make sure
03:16:51 Speaker 215: that we have sufficient stopping sight
03:16:52 Speaker 215: distance for those. Stoppings like distance
03:16:54 Speaker 215: for those vehicles, greatly reducing the
03:16:56 Speaker 236: potential for risks or collisions. In
03:17:01 Speaker 237: my professional opinion, I with the
03:17:03 Speaker 237: reduction down, if it went to
03:17:04 Speaker 238: an eighty, we'd be putting ourselves
03:17:07 Speaker 238: in a pretty risky situation. Mostly
03:17:09 Speaker 238: because right now we're seeing about
03:17:10 Speaker 238: thirty three percent. Even with the
03:17:12 Speaker 238: reduction, we're still seeing fifteen, and
03:17:14 Speaker 238: that's if everything kind of happens
03:17:15 Speaker 238: as it is. So those sort
03:17:17 Speaker 238: of numbers start to get up
03:17:18 Speaker 238: there. If you're saying 15 of
03:17:20 Speaker 238: your vehicles coming over the crest
03:17:22 Speaker 234: of the hill could be in
03:17:25 Speaker 234: a potential situation for an accident,
03:17:27 Speaker 234: it is risky. So that's why
03:17:32 Speaker 239: we're suggesting the 90 km design
03:17:35 Speaker 239: speed. We can do those protect
03:17:36 Speaker 239: the gas mains without relocation. And
03:17:38 Speaker 239: then again, as I talked about,
03:17:40 Speaker 223: usually issues with the speed disparity
03:17:43 Speaker 223: and going to a 60 km
03:17:46 Speaker 223: posted does add additional risk. for
03:17:47 Speaker 223: a different type of collision. Again,
03:17:50 Speaker 223: with that, as development occurs out
03:17:51 Speaker 223: there, there's potential for some commercial
03:17:52 Speaker 223: and residential over time. Once those
03:17:53 Speaker 223: developments start to occur, you'll see
03:17:56 Speaker 223: a lot more visual cues for
03:17:58 Speaker 223: drivers that will help to reduce
03:17:59 Speaker 223: their speeds naturally. And again, we'll
03:18:01 Speaker 223: monitor the development and as it
03:18:03 Speaker 223: progresses to make sure that if
03:18:06 Speaker 223: speeds are starting to come down,
03:18:10 Speaker 223: we can make those adjustments. Take
03:18:11 Speaker 223: them down. We can make those
03:18:13 Speaker 240: adjustments a lot easier without creating
03:18:15 Speaker 240: a large disparity. We would, we
03:18:17 Speaker 240: would progress with that and reduce
03:18:19 Speaker 223: the speed at that time. And
03:18:25 Speaker 223: yeah, so county staff recommends design
03:18:26 Speaker 223: speed of 90 kilometres per hour,
03:18:29 Speaker 223: and that the school board continues
03:18:30 Speaker 223: to address the hill and the
03:18:32 Speaker 223: gas mains. And yeah, so I
03:18:36 Speaker 223: don't know if there's any questions,
03:18:38 Speaker 223: but here we can take them
03:18:39 Speaker 223: now. Okay, so let's see if
03:18:41 Speaker 223: there are questions for either, and
03:18:42 Speaker 223: I'll open it up to the
03:18:44 Speaker 223: county floor. And I just need
03:18:46 Speaker 223: to see the virtual attendees. We'll
03:18:50 Speaker 223: begin with Councillor Greg. I have
03:18:52 Speaker 223: one question. Thanks, Trevor and Becky.
03:18:54 Speaker 223: The exact location of your speed
03:18:57 Speaker 223: assessment equipment. Was it located exactly
03:19:00 Speaker 223: and specific to the intersection that's
03:19:02 Speaker 223: in question? or were you further
03:19:03 Speaker 223: south? Because the the commentary in
03:19:06 Speaker 223: the report speaks to southerly traffic
03:19:07 Speaker 223: movements that you are accumulating that
03:19:09 Speaker 223: speed data from. So I'm just
03:19:11 Speaker 223: wondering, are you specific to that
03:19:13 Speaker 223: exact intersection? Through you, Warden. Yes.
03:19:16 Speaker 223: So we placed the counter. I
03:19:18 Speaker 223: believe there's a hydro pole just
03:19:20 Speaker 223: north of where the proposed intersection
03:19:29 Speaker 223: is. and it was basically facing
03:19:30 Speaker 223: south. So where the detection was
03:19:31 Speaker 223: actually occurring is within a few
03:19:33 Speaker 241: metres of where the proposed intersection
03:19:35 Speaker 241: is. And when you say facing
03:19:36 Speaker 241: south, you were getting speed data
03:19:38 Speaker 242: for vehicles going south or going
03:19:42 Speaker 64: north. With okay, you're collecting both
03:19:45 Speaker 64: directions. Okay. Okay. thank you. We'll
03:19:51 Speaker 64: go to the deputy warden. Deputy
03:19:52 Speaker 64: warden, and thank you, Trevor and
03:19:53 Speaker 64: Becky as well. A school safety
03:19:55 Speaker 64: zone. Typically, what sort of speed
03:19:56 Speaker 64: limit would you have in a
03:20:00 Speaker 64: school safety zone? Sixty kilometres, typically.
03:20:02 Speaker 64: There really is no defined rules
03:20:06 Speaker 64: against speed limits within safety zones.
03:20:08 Speaker 64: so predominantly they occur in areas
03:20:10 Speaker 64: because most of the schools are
03:20:11 Speaker 64: in areas where there's some residential
03:20:14 Speaker 243: development, so there is lower speed
03:20:19 Speaker 243: limits naturally. However, there's community safety
03:20:21 Speaker 243: zone, for instance, on Highway 10
03:20:22 Speaker 243: at the Holland Chasworth School that's
03:20:24 Speaker 244: in an 80, so there really
03:20:27 Speaker 245: is no hard fast rule around
03:20:32 Speaker 245: that. So I'm just thinking further
03:20:34 Speaker 245: down the road. Once the school
03:20:36 Speaker 246: is there and established, the stretch
03:20:39 Speaker 246: of road to the south is
03:20:41 Speaker 246: 60 kilometres. Would it not make
03:20:42 Speaker 64: a lot more sense to make
03:20:45 Speaker 64: that chunk in front of the
03:20:46 Speaker 64: school 60 kilometres now and be
03:20:51 Speaker 64: done with it and make it
03:20:55 Speaker 64: consistent rather than up and then
03:20:56 Speaker 64: down and then up again once
03:20:58 Speaker 64: you get further down on whatever
03:21:00 Speaker 64: that road number is, and try
03:21:02 Speaker 64: to avoid the cost cutting that
03:21:04 Speaker 64: hill down and and potential impacts
03:21:05 Speaker 247: to the gas line. Yeah. So
03:21:09 Speaker 248: effectively, there's two different there's two
03:21:14 Speaker 248: instances here. So posted speed and.
03:21:15 Speaker 248: design speed, although they relate to
03:21:17 Speaker 64: one another, they are different. The
03:21:19 Speaker 64: posted speed could be reduced. We
03:21:22 Speaker 64: do see the potential for the
03:21:25 Speaker 64: risk of the larger differences in
03:21:28 Speaker 64: speed. Now, again, as you mentioned,
03:21:34 Speaker 64: it is 60 to the south,
03:21:35 Speaker 64: and then Gray Road Five, as
03:21:37 Speaker 64: it goes to the hospital, is
03:21:44 Speaker 64: also 80. So, depending on, and
03:21:45 Speaker 64: again, the piece to the south
03:21:47 Speaker 249: is kind of outside of our
03:21:49 Speaker 249: jurisdiction. So, I'm not sure the
03:21:50 Speaker 249: exact reasoning why it's a 60.
03:21:55 Speaker 249: That's not. for us to decide.
03:21:57 Speaker 250: So, I at least from what
03:22:00 Speaker 250: I understand, it's from the intersection
03:22:01 Speaker 250: at Superior Street is what I've
03:22:03 Speaker 250: been told. So again, be peace
03:22:04 Speaker 251: north of Superior Street. Whether that
03:22:07 Speaker 251: is also a sixty or not,
03:22:11 Speaker 252: it be potentially debated. But again,
03:22:13 Speaker 252: yes, you can reduce the speed.
03:22:16 Speaker 253: We do see there is risk
03:22:19 Speaker 253: with the largest, the bulk of
03:22:21 Speaker 254: the vehicles that would be travelling
03:22:26 Speaker 36: potentially now. You. put yourself at
03:22:28 Speaker 36: risk of having vehicles that follow
03:22:31 Speaker 36: the hard fast rule of driving
03:22:34 Speaker 36: sixty, and then there's people that
03:22:35 Speaker 36: still drive eighty or eighty five.
03:22:43 Speaker 217: Now they can come up on
03:22:46 Speaker 217: each other quicker. You create just
03:22:47 Speaker 217: more instance for concern. Now in
03:22:48 Speaker 217: terms of design speed, that's a
03:22:51 Speaker 217: different thing. It's strictly a measure
03:22:52 Speaker 217: of stopping sight distance. So the
03:22:53 Speaker 223: concern there is any vehicle that
03:22:56 Speaker 223: does exceed eighty is going to
03:22:58 Speaker 223: be a potential for an incident.
03:23:00 Speaker 223: So even if you reduce to
03:23:02 Speaker 223: sixty, and you still see twenty-five
03:23:04 Speaker 223: percent of your vehicles going above
03:23:06 Speaker 223: eighty, versus maybe five percent above
03:23:08 Speaker 223: ninety, there's a significant difference in
03:23:18 Speaker 223: that. So from our opinion, it
03:23:21 Speaker 223: makes more sense to or design
03:23:28 Speaker 223: based on the ninety to avoid
03:23:31 Speaker 223: that risky situation. Next, we're going
03:23:32 Speaker 223: to go to Councillor Body, and
03:23:33 Speaker 223: then we'll go to Councillor McQueen.
03:23:35 Speaker 223: Body, and then we'll go to
03:23:39 Speaker 223: Councillor McQueen. Oh, sorry, Councillor Eccles.
03:23:41 Speaker 223: I believe you are next. So
03:23:42 Speaker 223: you go next, then I'll go
03:23:45 Speaker 223: over to Councillor Body, and then
03:23:48 Speaker 223: over to Councillor McQueen. Thank you.
03:23:49 Speaker 223: And I guess that was. What's
03:23:51 Speaker 223: the precedent? I mean, Sullivan School.
03:23:53 Speaker 223: We've got them. Any place you
03:23:56 Speaker 223: have a school, and you said
03:23:57 Speaker 223: the Holland School. There's a couple
03:24:00 Speaker 223: more out there that they can
03:24:02 Speaker 223: think of that are, right there.
03:24:06 Speaker 223: Yeah. I don't know why we're
03:24:09 Speaker 223: debating because before the school doors
03:24:12 Speaker 223: open, there's going to be—I don't
03:24:13 Speaker 223: know how many coming here saying,
03:24:15 Speaker 223: "Oh, well, this is now going
03:24:17 Speaker 223: to be community safety zone," all
03:24:20 Speaker 255: of that because it's a school
03:24:23 Speaker 255: area. I can take you to
03:24:25 Speaker 255: one in Kitchener. I happened to
03:24:27 Speaker 256: be riding in a car when
03:24:31 Speaker 256: somebody got picked up there. I
03:24:32 Speaker 256: was riding; I wasn't driving. I
03:24:34 Speaker 257: I get it for the sight
03:24:37 Speaker 257: lines, building it to the ninety
03:24:39 Speaker 258: kilometres zone, but I just I
03:24:41 Speaker 36: can't support that we're not going
03:24:44 Speaker 259: to put it at sixty. Do
03:24:49 Speaker 259: the construction because there's when you're
03:24:50 Speaker 259: doing the construction, it's going to
03:24:52 Speaker 259: be reduced, right? So start it
03:24:54 Speaker 259: up. It's sixty, and we won't
03:24:55 Speaker 259: be back here spend a whole
03:24:56 Speaker 259: lot of time. arguing back and
03:24:58 Speaker 259: forth, up and down, build it
03:25:00 Speaker 259: to the ninetieth, yeah, to get
03:25:01 Speaker 259: those sight lines coming up because
03:25:03 Speaker 260: there is a set of stop
03:25:05 Speaker 260: lights at the end there, right?
03:25:07 Speaker 260: Yeah, it. I'm just baffled as
03:25:09 Speaker 260: MTO wanting to kick all of
03:25:10 Speaker 261: this back upon us, put it
03:25:17 Speaker 261: at sixty and let it go.
03:25:18 Speaker 261: Design it, but put it at
03:25:20 Speaker 261: sixty, and this idea of going
03:25:20 Speaker 261: at ninety in school. zone is,
03:25:22 Speaker 262: you know, that's not very good
03:25:25 Speaker 263: forward planning. There, that was one
03:25:30 Speaker 263: of the planners. That that's where
03:25:32 Speaker 263: we're looking at this. So, that's
03:25:34 Speaker 263: my thoughts. Okay, thank you. Then
03:25:36 Speaker 264: we will go to. Did you
03:25:39 Speaker 264: have a response or no? Okay,
03:25:40 Speaker 264: so we'll go to Councillor Body
03:25:41 Speaker 24: and then we'll go over to
03:25:44 Speaker 24: Councillor McQueen. I'm picking up the
03:25:46 Speaker 24: consensus, and we'll have a a
03:25:47 Speaker 24: motion to amend in a few
03:25:50 Speaker 265: minutes. When after the discussion's gone
03:25:53 Speaker 266: through, a note in Grey Highlands,
03:25:56 Speaker 266: in front of the Grey Highlands
03:25:58 Speaker 266: school on Highway 10, it is
03:25:59 Speaker 266: 50 kilometres up, walk down from
03:26:01 Speaker 266: here. South of Eighth Street is
03:26:03 Speaker 266: 60 kilometres. If the posted speed
03:26:04 Speaker 266: is going to end up being
03:26:05 Speaker 266: 60 kilometres, is there any? advantage
03:26:06 Speaker 267: to it being designed to 90
03:26:09 Speaker 267: kilometres, and what are the cost
03:26:11 Speaker 267: consequences likely to be estimated at
03:26:12 Speaker 268: between designing it for 60 and
03:26:15 Speaker 268: designing it for 90? Peter Warden,
03:26:17 Speaker 269: in terms of the costs, so
03:26:19 Speaker 270: we've been quite a while ago,
03:26:21 Speaker 270: and it was at that time
03:26:23 Speaker 270: we were talking about 100 kilometre
03:26:25 Speaker 270: design speed. Hundred kilometre design speed,
03:26:26 Speaker 270: I believe it was in the
03:26:28 Speaker 270: range of about half a million
03:26:30 Speaker 202: in that at that time. I'm
03:26:36 Speaker 271: not sure exactly where it is,
03:26:39 Speaker 271: just because it's not really our
03:26:40 Speaker 271: design; it's part of three D
03:26:42 Speaker 272: consultant there, so I can't speak
03:26:45 Speaker 272: to what the exact cost was.
03:26:47 Speaker 273: But I would assume probably just
03:26:49 Speaker 273: like south side of 500. Yeah,
03:26:51 Speaker 273: yeah. So for. 60, because it
03:26:53 Speaker 274: really the the design speed again,
03:26:56 Speaker 274: it's a separate issue. The posted
03:26:58 Speaker 274: speed, whether you go to 60
03:26:58 Speaker 274: or 80, you're still going to
03:27:00 Speaker 274: have number of vehicles exceeding 80
03:27:02 Speaker 274: kilometres per hour. So the concern
03:27:04 Speaker 274: is really revolves around that. You
03:27:05 Speaker 274: want to make sure that you're
03:27:07 Speaker 275: reducing the risk of potential collisions
03:27:10 Speaker 275: because there's insufficient stop sight distance.
03:27:12 Speaker 275: So. whether it's a 60 or
03:27:13 Speaker 275: 80, there is a slightly reduced
03:27:14 Speaker 276: amount of number of vehicles that
03:27:20 Speaker 276: will come down from that speed.
03:27:21 Speaker 276: But historically, what we found
03:27:24 Speaker 215: is it's not going to be
03:27:26 Speaker 215: significant enough. So if it's posted
03:27:28 Speaker 215: at 60, we'd still anticipate probably
03:27:30 Speaker 215: 15 to 20 percent exceeding 80
03:27:32 Speaker 215: kilometres per hour. So the concern
03:27:34 Speaker 215: is if you go with an
03:27:35 Speaker 215: 80 kilometre design speed, those vehicles
03:27:43 Speaker 215: now are at a risk of
03:27:45 Speaker 215: potential. collision by going to ninety-kilometre
03:27:47 Speaker 277: design speed. That reduces significantly down
03:27:50 Speaker 277: to potentially anywhere between two to
03:27:52 Speaker 277: five percent, depending whether it's sixty
03:27:53 Speaker 277: or eighty kilometres per hour. And
03:27:55 Speaker 277: that study is based on the
03:27:57 Speaker 278: way it's situated right now. Doing
03:28:01 Speaker 278: the study, approximately where the school
03:28:02 Speaker 278: is, and that has to change
03:28:03 Speaker 278: when you put in an input
03:28:05 Speaker 279: an intersection and start having big
03:28:09 Speaker 280: yellow buses going through. Correct. School
03:28:12 Speaker 280: buses going through. Correct. It will
03:28:13 Speaker 280: change. The issue will be is
03:28:14 Speaker 280: whether people see those school buses
03:28:21 Speaker 280: when they make the turn onto
03:28:22 Speaker 281: Gray Road Five. So coming over
03:28:25 Speaker 281: that crest, they're not going to
03:28:27 Speaker 281: see them when they make that
03:28:30 Speaker 282: turn. They're going to start speeding
03:28:33 Speaker 282: up, and then they'll come over
03:28:35 Speaker 282: the crest of the hill, and
03:28:36 Speaker 283: then school buses will be there.
03:28:40 Speaker 283: So they're basically, and I think
03:28:42 Speaker 283: one of the pictures in the
03:28:44 Speaker 283: slideshow kind of shows what it
03:28:47 Speaker 283: looks like right now. Okay, so
03:28:50 Speaker 283: if you did, you want that
03:28:52 Speaker 283: back up, that slide back up.
03:28:54 Speaker 283: So while you're doing that, we're
03:28:55 Speaker 284: going to go to Councillor McQueen
03:28:58 Speaker 284: and then over to Councillor Dobrin.
03:29:00 Speaker 284: I think, Madam Ward, would agree
03:29:02 Speaker 284: with Deputy Mayor, or sorry, Deputy
03:29:03 Speaker 283: Warden, with regards to that speed.
03:29:06 Speaker 283: If you're heading north, before you
03:29:07 Speaker 283: get to Eighth Street, you're doing
03:29:11 Speaker 283: sixty. It doesn't make sense to
03:29:13 Speaker 283: speed up to eighty, and you're
03:29:15 Speaker 283: coming to a stoplight. And the
03:29:18 Speaker 283: other thing, I can see why
03:29:20 Speaker 283: your your probably your numbers were
03:29:24 Speaker 283: weren't as high coming south because
03:29:26 Speaker 283: they know further ahead you're lowering
03:29:28 Speaker 285: to sixty. Anyway, I I just
03:29:31 Speaker 285: would say that I would agree
03:29:32 Speaker 285: with that concept. The Eighth Street,
03:29:34 Speaker 286: I think you said it currently
03:29:37 Speaker 286: right now it's eighty, but obviously
03:29:39 Speaker 286: if that area starts to develop,
03:29:41 Speaker 286: there may be pressure from the
03:29:43 Speaker 286: city of Owens Sound to reduce
03:29:45 Speaker 286: that speed in the future. Who
03:29:47 Speaker 204: knows, right? But as another example
03:29:49 Speaker 204: on Gray Road. Four in Maxwell,
03:29:52 Speaker 204: there's a public school there that,
03:29:56 Speaker 204: when lights are flashing, drops to
03:29:58 Speaker 204: forty on a county road, and
03:30:01 Speaker 204: that's sight lines are straight. But
03:30:04 Speaker 204: there is a bevel walking sidewalk
03:30:05 Speaker 204: that kids can walk into Maxwell,
03:30:07 Speaker 204: but that is an example of
03:30:11 Speaker 204: a county road where there's a
03:30:13 Speaker 204: school, and in flashing lights, it
03:30:14 Speaker 204: drops to forty, and it's fifty
03:30:17 Speaker 204: right now. Oh, and the intersection,
03:30:20 Speaker 204: I don't understand. Is is this
03:30:22 Speaker 204: going to be an intersection, or
03:30:24 Speaker 204: is going to be a huge
03:30:25 Speaker 204: turn into the property? Are you
03:30:28 Speaker 204: designing an intersection, or are you
03:30:30 Speaker 287: designing a proper turn into the
03:30:35 Speaker 287: school? Like you're building a road,
03:30:37 Speaker 287: but it's a road going one
03:30:39 Speaker 287: way. I I I have a
03:30:41 Speaker 287: little trouble supporting a resolution that
03:30:42 Speaker 287: we're not going to create an
03:30:43 Speaker 288: intersection to the east because that's
03:30:46 Speaker 249: not even in the plans. Like
03:30:48 Speaker 249: I don't understand from MTO's perspective,
03:30:50 Speaker 249: other than they just still want
03:30:52 Speaker 249: to see something develop in the.
03:30:58 Speaker 249: Meepert property, but obviously it's just
03:31:00 Speaker 249: a resolution. But I, I sort
03:31:04 Speaker 249: of see that's a bit of
03:31:04 Speaker 289: a stretch. But that's just my
03:31:08 Speaker 290: comments. Yeah, three, you Warden, the
03:31:11 Speaker 291: intersection would be a T intersection,
03:31:15 Speaker 291: basically to stop control, effectively as
03:31:17 Speaker 291: development occurs. That might change, and
03:31:22 Speaker 291: it might potentially be signalized, or
03:31:26 Speaker 291: there's been discussions around the vote
03:31:31 Speaker 291: as well. So all of those
03:31:36 Speaker 291: could be potential, depending on
03:31:40 Speaker 291: the long term focus of that.
03:31:44 Speaker 291: Long-term focus of that area. So
03:31:46 Speaker 291: at between eight and nine, and
03:31:52 Speaker 291: probably three or four, it's going
03:31:56 Speaker 291: to be a busy spot. School
03:31:59 Speaker 291: buses, people picking up their kids,
03:32:05 Speaker 291: dropping kids off. You know, somebody
03:32:07 Speaker 209: that's not familiar with that road,
03:32:09 Speaker 209: say they're only driving at all
03:32:11 Speaker 209: of a sudden, whoa! They see
03:32:13 Speaker 209: at eighty. It just reinforces the
03:32:14 Speaker 209: whole part going back to sixty,
03:32:16 Speaker 209: just because of those two times.
03:32:18 Speaker 209: that are busy times, maybe even
03:32:24 Speaker 292: lunchtime. If you're, Mr. Councillor Echols
03:32:28 Speaker 291: said it's it's it's sort of
03:32:30 Speaker 291: what has happened in the past
03:32:32 Speaker 291: as well, and it just sort
03:32:34 Speaker 291: of makes sense. Thank you, through
03:32:36 Speaker 291: your warden, and I think that's
03:32:37 Speaker 291: as Trevor's indicated. There's two distinctions
03:32:38 Speaker 291: here. One is the design speed
03:32:40 Speaker 291: and the construction design speed to
03:32:43 Speaker 291: make sure that the the road.
03:32:46 Speaker 291: and because Trevor indicated the crest
03:32:48 Speaker 291: of the road is causing sightline
03:32:50 Speaker 291: issues at that proposed intersection and
03:32:53 Speaker 291: as it currently stands until that
03:32:56 Speaker 291: those lands other lands around that
03:32:58 Speaker 291: develop out driver behaviour usually is
03:33:02 Speaker 291: that there's needs to be usually
03:33:05 Speaker 291: some visual cues outside of the
03:33:08 Speaker 291: posted speed limit to be able
03:33:10 Speaker 291: to slow down driver behaviour that's
03:33:12 Speaker 291: based on again what Trevor indicated
03:33:15 Speaker 291: from studies and results that that
03:33:20 Speaker 291: we've seen in the past. so
03:33:22 Speaker 291: there's there's a key distinction. What
03:33:24 Speaker 291: I'm hearing potentially from the comments
03:33:27 Speaker 291: so far, and just wanted to
03:33:30 Speaker 291: clarify, is the direction to continue
03:33:34 Speaker 291: to, as staff are recommending currently
03:33:36 Speaker 291: in this report, is to keep
03:33:37 Speaker 291: the design speed to construct that
03:33:38 Speaker 293: road at a 90 km/h design
03:33:42 Speaker 293: speed. But that I'm hearing that
03:33:43 Speaker 294: there's interest to maybe lower that
03:33:48 Speaker 294: supposed speed limit to 60 km/h,
03:33:50 Speaker 294: and so. Hour, and so just
03:33:52 Speaker 294: seeking clarification on that. If if
03:33:53 Speaker 294: there was a an amended motion
03:33:55 Speaker 295: or a motion to to being
03:34:01 Speaker 296: proposed on that piece, but the
03:34:03 Speaker 296: the part of that too is
03:34:04 Speaker 296: is right now the motion that's
03:34:06 Speaker 296: before council is to consider the
03:34:08 Speaker 297: design speed, which staff are recommending
03:34:11 Speaker 298: is 90 km/h design speed. Typically,
03:34:14 Speaker 299: as you may recall, we bring
03:34:17 Speaker 299: transportation services brings back to council
03:34:19 Speaker 299: suggestions or comments about reductions in
03:34:21 Speaker 300: design speeds. and then usually a
03:34:24 Speaker 300: subsequent bylaw revision to reduce those
03:34:27 Speaker 300: bylaw speeds. So that could be
03:34:29 Speaker 300: the direction in terms of considering
03:34:31 Speaker 300: at the next time we update
03:34:32 Speaker 300: that, because again, thinking from a
03:34:34 Speaker 300: timing perspective, if the direction is
03:34:35 Speaker 301: to do a 90 km/h design
03:34:38 Speaker 302: speed construction, we'd probably want that
03:34:41 Speaker 303: construction completed before we post at
03:34:48 Speaker 304: a 60 km/h design speed. So
03:34:51 Speaker 305: just making sure from a timing
03:34:54 Speaker 305: perspective and seeking clarity from council.
03:34:56 Speaker 223: What the direction would be with
03:34:58 Speaker 223: those factors that I just highlighted?
03:35:01 Speaker 223: Okay, thank you for that additional
03:35:03 Speaker 223: information. I'm going to go to
03:35:04 Speaker 223: Councillor Dobrine, and I will just
03:35:06 Speaker 223: look for any final hands because
03:35:08 Speaker 223: I did hear Councillor Vadi mention
03:35:17 Speaker 223: that he was interested in in
03:35:19 Speaker 223: proposing an amendment. So, so we'll
03:35:20 Speaker 306: go to Councillor Dobrine, and then
03:35:24 Speaker 306: over to Councillor Mackie, and then
03:35:25 Speaker 306: we'll see where we are about
03:35:27 Speaker 306: discussing any amendment. Thank you, and
03:35:29 Speaker 306: thank you both. It was a
03:35:31 Speaker 306: very detailed report. I had to
03:35:33 Speaker 306: read it a couple of times.
03:35:35 Speaker 306: In, but thank you. So, looking
03:35:37 Speaker 306: at that map, there are indications
03:35:38 Speaker 307: where you had study intersections, but
03:35:40 Speaker 92: they may not necessarily currently exist.
03:35:43 Speaker 92: And if I'm not mistaken, the
03:35:48 Speaker 92: report. said post-secondary school. So therefore,
03:35:50 Speaker 92: chances of there being buses are
03:35:51 Speaker 92: less because many in post-secondary institutions
03:35:52 Speaker 92: are driving themselves. So maybe you
03:35:54 Speaker 92: could clarify. Am I getting? It
03:35:56 Speaker 92: said post-secondary in the report. So
03:35:59 Speaker 92: is it? So is is it
03:36:02 Speaker 92: a secondary school? Is it a
03:36:06 Speaker 92: grade school? Thank you. That's my
03:36:07 Speaker 92: first question, if I may, Warden.
03:36:09 Speaker 92: Yes, thank you for that question,
03:36:11 Speaker 92: Councillor Devereen. My apologies if that
03:36:13 Speaker 92: was the case within the report.
03:36:15 Speaker 92: It should have certainly been secondary
03:36:18 Speaker 92: school. So these would be high
03:36:19 Speaker 92: school age students. Yeah. So there
03:36:21 Speaker 92: would be busing involved. Thank you
03:36:23 Speaker 92: for that clarification. Did you have
03:36:25 Speaker 92: a follow-up, Counselor Devere? Yes, that
03:36:27 Speaker 92: was my first question. The second
03:36:30 Speaker 92: question, then, now that I know
03:36:32 Speaker 92: that it is a secondary school
03:36:33 Speaker 308: or a community school, yes, there's
03:36:38 Speaker 309: going to be buses, there's going
03:36:42 Speaker 309: to be train lines, there's going
03:36:43 Speaker 309: to be increased traffic with people
03:36:45 Speaker 309: dropping off their children. I would,
03:36:47 Speaker 228: I would see in the future
03:36:49 Speaker 228: that there be, you know, a
03:36:53 Speaker 228: set of lights which. serves as
03:36:55 Speaker 92: a traffic calming measure as well.
03:36:58 Speaker 92: My concern with, and I totally
03:37:01 Speaker 92: support building it for the ninety.
03:37:05 Speaker 92: I have difficulties understanding why we
03:37:06 Speaker 92: we set a speed because people
03:37:08 Speaker 92: are going to speed, and so
03:37:10 Speaker 92: I actually do support a lower
03:37:12 Speaker 92: speed limit, and the people need
03:37:13 Speaker 92: to adjust their speed accordingly. And
03:37:17 Speaker 92: future stop or stop lights will
03:37:20 Speaker 92: help slow that down. But I
03:37:23 Speaker 92: do understand the need to build
03:37:25 Speaker 92: it at the ninety because of
03:37:26 Speaker 92: the lack of indications that there
03:37:27 Speaker 92: is a school coming up. And
03:37:30 Speaker 92: and those are my comments. I
03:37:32 Speaker 92: wanted to thank you and and
03:37:33 Speaker 92: thank you for clarifying that it
03:37:34 Speaker 92: is a secondary school. Thank you.
03:37:39 Speaker 92: Okay. Thank you. We're going to
03:37:40 Speaker 92: go to Councillor Markey. Thank you,
03:37:42 Speaker 92: Warden. Thank you, Becky. Thank you,
03:37:45 Speaker 92: Trevor. I'm not sure if Randy
03:37:48 Speaker 92: clarified things for me or made
03:37:51 Speaker 92: things more complicated, but I know
03:37:52 Speaker 92: I appreciate the effort. The design
03:37:54 Speaker 92: speed, the actual speed—I think we're
03:37:55 Speaker 92: getting caught up in that. What
03:37:58 Speaker 92: I guess my simple question is,
03:38:00 Speaker 92: Chair. But we talked about the
03:38:02 Speaker 92: the null, and on it actually
03:38:04 Speaker 92: shows that null on page what
03:38:06 Speaker 92: page fifty. six of seventy nine.
03:38:07 Speaker 92: The design speed of ninety kilometres
03:38:08 Speaker 92: will that eliminate that null? I
03:38:11 Speaker 92: know there was some talk about
03:38:12 Speaker 92: cost savings by reducing, but I
03:38:14 Speaker 92: mean, in a school zone, I'm
03:38:15 Speaker 92: not sure the the cut. We
03:38:16 Speaker 92: need to make sure the
03:38:19 Speaker 92: kids are safe for those people
03:38:22 Speaker 92: that are speeding. So we need
03:38:25 Speaker 92: that line of sight. So will
03:38:27 Speaker 310: the ninety kilometre design eliminate that
03:38:30 Speaker 311: null? So it's safer. I think
03:38:34 Speaker 311: is my question. Yeah, basically the
03:38:36 Speaker 312: noel the purpose of the ninety
03:38:40 Speaker 313: kilometre design speed is strictly to
03:38:46 Speaker 314: reduce the hill and bring it
03:38:49 Speaker 314: down. Effectively, the rest of the
03:38:51 Speaker 314: road is sixty, eighty, ninety, one
03:38:52 Speaker 314: hundred. The design speed doesn't matter
03:38:54 Speaker 314: in the rest of the road.
03:38:55 Speaker 223: It's really just the hill, the
03:38:58 Speaker 223: crest of that hill. Yes. Exactly.
03:39:00 Speaker 223: Yes. Okay. So, okay, we'll go
03:39:02 Speaker 223: to Councillor Greg, and we'll see
03:39:04 Speaker 223: see what's going to happen after
03:39:06 Speaker 223: that, Councillor Greg. Thank you. And
03:39:07 Speaker 223: I would be able to just
03:39:09 Speaker 223: confirm the rationale for changing that
03:39:11 Speaker 315: section to the south to a
03:39:14 Speaker 315: 60 kilometres an hour was because
03:39:15 Speaker 316: of the sight lines that existed
03:39:20 Speaker 317: at the intersection of Superior Street
03:39:23 Speaker 317: and 28th Avenue. We did that
03:39:25 Speaker 317: about seven or eight years ago,
03:39:27 Speaker 317: at the city. that was the
03:39:34 Speaker 317: the complete rationale for doing so.
03:39:35 Speaker 64: It's mentioned in the report. The
03:39:39 Speaker 64: impediment is the vertical curve, and
03:39:40 Speaker 64: it's a design speed for eighty.
03:39:44 Speaker 64: I can't help but think there
03:39:48 Speaker 64: are other locations in the county.
03:39:49 Speaker 64: One of them is a few
03:39:54 Speaker 64: miles southwest of Desborough on Gray
03:39:56 Speaker 64: Road three, where many years back
03:39:59 Speaker 64: it was placed as a sixty
03:40:01 Speaker 64: kilometre an hour zone. It goes
03:40:02 Speaker 64: over a. leg of the Soggin
03:40:05 Speaker 64: River at that location. The rationale
03:40:06 Speaker 318: at the time was because of
03:40:10 Speaker 318: a driveway that existed at the
03:40:11 Speaker 64: northernmost portion of that 60 zone,
03:40:17 Speaker 64: and the county didn't want to
03:40:21 Speaker 64: incur the cost of cutting the
03:40:23 Speaker 64: hill down to for appropriate sightlines.
03:40:27 Speaker 64: So it's a 60 for probably
03:40:28 Speaker 64: a mile through as you go
03:40:32 Speaker 64: down that hill. Most people abide
03:40:34 Speaker 64: by it. Councillor Echo's car might
03:40:37 Speaker 64: fly through there a little quick.
03:40:38 Speaker 64: The EVs really motor. But there
03:40:42 Speaker 64: are instances like that where cost
03:40:44 Speaker 64: was an issue back in the
03:40:45 Speaker 64: day. It was several years ago.
03:40:47 Speaker 64: That was that was the case,
03:40:49 Speaker 64: and it remains a sixty. I,
03:40:50 Speaker 64: I mean, that's open highway. This
03:40:52 Speaker 64: is a portion of an urban
03:40:54 Speaker 319: boundary road. I don't, I cannot
03:41:03 Speaker 319: understand why we certainly wouldn't entertain
03:41:05 Speaker 319: making it a sixty, and it
03:41:06 Speaker 320: already has a. design speed of
03:41:10 Speaker 320: eighty at that vertical impediment. I
03:41:11 Speaker 320: think behaviours are going to change.
03:41:12 Speaker 204: I'm kind of with Councillor Del
03:41:15 Speaker 204: Green, who's like, "Why do we
03:41:19 Speaker 204: continue to construct to facilitate faster
03:41:21 Speaker 204: vehicle movements in areas where we
03:41:24 Speaker 204: shouldn't be facilitating it?" Yeah, the
03:41:26 Speaker 204: design. If it was already at
03:41:28 Speaker 204: ninety or a hundred, and we
03:41:30 Speaker 204: move it to sixty, that's even
03:41:32 Speaker 204: safer. But it's a design speed
03:41:34 Speaker 286: of eighty now. We could post
03:41:37 Speaker 286: it at fifty in the future
03:41:39 Speaker 283: when it goes to the city.
03:41:41 Speaker 283: under control, sixty I think is
03:41:43 Speaker 283: where it should be. It's just
03:41:50 Speaker 321: a continuum of. We did nothing
03:41:52 Speaker 209: more on Twenty Eighth Avenue between
03:41:55 Speaker 209: Superior Street and Eighth Avenue, other
03:41:57 Speaker 209: than probably two signs to make
03:41:59 Speaker 209: people aware that this was no
03:42:01 Speaker 209: longer an eighty zone. It's now
03:42:02 Speaker 209: a sixty, and we haven't had
03:42:04 Speaker 209: any issues. So I struggle with
03:42:07 Speaker 209: a huge expenditure. Whether it's the
03:42:08 Speaker 209: county taxpayer paying for an upgrade.
03:42:11 Speaker 209: Payer paying for an upgrade to
03:42:13 Speaker 209: the road to a higher design
03:42:14 Speaker 209: speed, or the school board, which
03:42:17 Speaker 209: would be even worse. The amount
03:42:19 Speaker 209: of costs that have been dragged
03:42:21 Speaker 209: out of the school board to
03:42:23 Speaker 209: be able to move this project
03:42:26 Speaker 209: forward to get to where we
03:42:27 Speaker 322: are even now. Now those are
03:42:32 Speaker 323: funds that aren't going into music
03:42:35 Speaker 323: programmemes, athletics, other complementary programmemes of
03:42:36 Speaker 323: schools. It's just lost in bureaucracy.
03:42:38 Speaker 323: So I think we certainly should
03:42:39 Speaker 324: be entertaining sixty at the minimum,
03:42:44 Speaker 324: and I'm not convinced. at the
03:42:45 Speaker 324: location why a large expenditure does
03:42:46 Speaker 324: need to occur to make it
03:42:47 Speaker 324: a higher design speed as well.
03:42:49 Speaker 325: Okay, is there a comment? Yeah,
03:42:52 Speaker 326: just to speak to that. So,
03:42:57 Speaker 327: one of the elements that does
03:43:00 Speaker 328: kind of make this different than
03:43:02 Speaker 328: maybe the one in Desborough, the
03:43:03 Speaker 328: one in Desborough being a single
03:43:04 Speaker 68: entrance or so, a couple and.
03:43:11 Speaker 68: Couple, enter exits a day, maybe.
03:43:12 Speaker 68: Here we have a situation where
03:43:25 Speaker 68: we have buses, cars, you know,
03:43:26 Speaker 68: hundreds of vehicles coming in and
03:44:26 Speaker 68: out of that intersection each day.
03:44:28 Speaker 68: So again, it's different level of
03:44:29 Speaker 68: risk associated with those two. That's
03:44:30 Speaker 68: the only part I can speak
03:44:53 Speaker 68: to, I guess, in terms of
03:44:54 Speaker 39: your question. Okay, thank you. Okay,
03:44:57 Speaker 39: we'll do another comment, and then
03:45:01 Speaker 329: I'm going to return to Councillor
03:45:03 Speaker 329: Baddie's comment about being interested in.
03:45:05 Speaker 329: an amendment. So it's where that
03:45:06 Speaker 329: hill is, and where the proposed
03:45:09 Speaker 329: entrance to the school, the distance
03:45:10 Speaker 329: there isn't enough coming up over
03:45:12 Speaker 329: that hill for sightlines, and the
03:45:14 Speaker 330: concern that traffic turning too fast
03:45:19 Speaker 330: as they come around the corner
03:45:20 Speaker 330: and head south. What about going
03:45:22 Speaker 330: to the other side? Just flip
03:45:24 Speaker 331: the building. around and put the
03:45:27 Speaker 331: intersection put the intersection at the
03:45:28 Speaker 331: south part of the property. Or
03:45:30 Speaker 331: does that eliminate that house? Is
03:45:32 Speaker 332: that why they designed it that
03:45:35 Speaker 332: way? If if we were doing
03:45:37 Speaker 332: this in the rural areas and
03:45:39 Speaker 332: doing a severance, that entrance would
03:45:40 Speaker 332: have to meet right on a
03:45:42 Speaker 332: hill. Nope, can't have a severance
03:45:43 Speaker 333: here because. or move where you
03:45:48 Speaker 291: want your entrance to get that.
03:45:50 Speaker 291: Is that a solution? And no
03:45:51 Speaker 291: construction would be needed. It increases
03:45:53 Speaker 291: the distance, and just tell the
03:45:55 Speaker 291: school board turn your building around,
03:45:58 Speaker 291: put your main entrance onto the
03:45:59 Speaker 291: south side, so that you get
03:46:07 Speaker 291: a lot more. And that settles
03:46:08 Speaker 334: a bit of climate control because
03:46:13 Speaker 334: now the entrance and everything's on
03:46:15 Speaker 335: the north side of the building,
03:46:17 Speaker 336: and in the winter that's usually
03:46:21 Speaker 337: the coldest part of. the building.
03:46:23 Speaker 337: I just a thought. Okay, the
03:46:26 Speaker 337: CEO would like to offer a
03:46:33 Speaker 337: comment, and then I'll look back
03:46:35 Speaker 338: to the lectern. And staff may
03:46:37 Speaker 338: have to correct me if I'm
03:46:39 Speaker 68: if I'm incorrect on this this
03:46:50 Speaker 68: this comment in response to Councillor
03:46:51 Speaker 62: Echo's the question. I believe that
03:46:54 Speaker 62: was was proposed early on in
03:46:57 Speaker 62: in the pro. Early on in
03:46:58 Speaker 62: in the process, and I don't
03:47:03 Speaker 62: know the exact reasons or variety
03:47:05 Speaker 339: of reasons why that was maybe
03:47:07 Speaker 340: not not a desired location. But
03:47:11 Speaker 340: I know that that was that
03:47:12 Speaker 341: was discussed early on in terms
03:47:16 Speaker 341: of a proposed potential solution to
03:47:17 Speaker 223: try to again address some of
03:47:20 Speaker 223: the the concerns that are being
03:47:22 Speaker 223: raised by transportation services staff at
03:47:24 Speaker 223: the moment. Yeah, just to add
03:47:26 Speaker 223: to what. CA CA Oshers or
03:47:29 Speaker 223: has has noted there, I think
03:47:30 Speaker 223: yes, we've had significant discussions with
03:47:31 Speaker 223: city staff on on this matter
03:47:35 Speaker 223: and sort of where those those
03:47:36 Speaker 223: roads should align and locate. And
03:47:38 Speaker 223: I think one of the crux
03:47:40 Speaker 342: of the concerns from from their
03:47:44 Speaker 226: perspective was, as you can see
03:47:50 Speaker 343: again in the photo, that area
03:47:52 Speaker 344: north of of where the orange
03:47:55 Speaker 92: is, those lands are are vacant
03:47:57 Speaker 92: at this stage and are still
03:48:00 Speaker 345: to be developed. And so there
03:48:04 Speaker 345: was the question as well of
03:48:05 Speaker 345: we would need. access to those
03:48:07 Speaker 345: lands, and ideally we wouldn't have
03:48:09 Speaker 346: sole access from the from the
03:48:11 Speaker 346: highway. So that was certainly part
03:48:14 Speaker 346: of the larger discussion there as
03:48:16 Speaker 347: well. Okay, so with that, I'm
03:48:20 Speaker 348: going to look back to the
03:48:23 Speaker 348: reference to an amendment, Councillor Body.
03:48:25 Speaker 349: Was there an amendment that you
03:48:27 Speaker 349: wish to propose? Given all the
03:48:29 Speaker 144: discussion that is around, I'm going
03:48:32 Speaker 144: to put it out, and we
03:48:34 Speaker 144: can vote it up or down.
03:48:35 Speaker 144: It's retired. Bottle it down. We're
03:48:37 Speaker 144: talking about design here, but I
03:48:38 Speaker 144: will move amendment of point three
03:48:39 Speaker 144: of the recommendation to reduce the
03:48:41 Speaker 144: design speed from ninety kilometres an
03:48:43 Speaker 144: hour to sixty kilometres an hour.
03:48:45 Speaker 144: I think if I've got it
03:48:47 Speaker 350: right, I don't see it up
03:48:49 Speaker 144: on the screen. But okay, we'll
03:48:52 Speaker 144: just need to switch the screens
03:48:54 Speaker 144: around for you. Sorry, working on
03:48:56 Speaker 144: two computers here. Just give us
03:48:57 Speaker 144: a moment. Okay, we're just switching
03:49:01 Speaker 144: it over to the deputy clerk,
03:49:03 Speaker 144: who is just typing it up
03:49:04 Speaker 144: so it can be shown on
03:49:06 Speaker 144: the screen. Okay. So it reads
03:49:08 Speaker 144: that the motion be amended to
03:49:10 Speaker 144: amend clause three to reflect the
03:49:12 Speaker 144: design speed of 60 kilometres per
03:49:14 Speaker 144: hour along Gray Road Five in
03:49:16 Speaker 144: front of the new school. Is
03:49:18 Speaker 144: that the way that you wanted
03:49:20 Speaker 144: to capture, Councillor Body? Before I
03:49:22 Speaker 144: confirm that, I just want to
03:49:23 Speaker 144: clarify it. Currently, would be at
03:49:25 Speaker 144: eighty kilometres an hour if left
03:49:27 Speaker 144: alone. Then I'd like my motion
03:49:30 Speaker 144: to say the motion be amended
03:49:31 Speaker 144: to amend clause three to reflect
03:49:32 Speaker 144: a design speed of eighty kilometres
03:49:34 Speaker 144: an hour. Thank you. Okay, so
03:49:36 Speaker 144: it reads as I've just read
03:49:36 Speaker 144: out with eighty kilometres per hour
03:49:37 Speaker 144: for design instead of sixty. Okay,
03:49:39 Speaker 351: so that motion has been moved
03:49:42 Speaker 351: by Councillor Body. Is there a
03:49:44 Speaker 351: seconder for that amendment? it's seconded
03:49:46 Speaker 351: by Councillor Gregg. It's now on
03:49:49 Speaker 68: the floor for discussion. Just this
03:49:58 Speaker 68: amendment is on the floor for
03:50:00 Speaker 352: discussion, Councillor Dobrin. Just to clarify
03:50:03 Speaker 352: that it says along Gray Road
03:50:04 Speaker 352: Five in front of the new
03:50:06 Speaker 02: school, and the original resolution said
03:50:09 Speaker 02: in the area of the proposed
03:50:10 Speaker 02: intersection. And I want to make
03:50:12 Speaker 02: sure that they're one and the
03:50:15 Speaker 02: same. Okay. No, and. as long
03:50:19 Speaker 02: as we have the same outcome,
03:50:21 Speaker 02: yes, we are speaking about the
03:50:22 Speaker 353: same stretch of road. Okay, from
03:50:26 Speaker 353: start to finish. Okay, Councillor Mackey.
03:50:28 Speaker 353: Thank you, Warden, and through you
03:50:30 Speaker 353: to Trevor. This proposed amendment, Trevor,
03:50:32 Speaker 353: would pose a safety concern from
03:50:33 Speaker 353: your department's standpoint. Yeah, in my
03:50:35 Speaker 353: professional opinion, it would. Effectively, the
03:50:37 Speaker 353: amount of vehicles that still exceed
03:50:39 Speaker 353: eighty, I'd be concerned about. Okay,
03:50:46 Speaker 353: over to Councillor Dobrin. Just to
03:50:48 Speaker 68: follow up on that, then, would
03:51:18 Speaker 68: it be a benefit to also
03:51:20 Speaker 68: indicate our desire to lower the
03:51:21 Speaker 354: speed limit to sixty? Would that
03:51:26 Speaker 354: resolve the safety concerns? And through
03:51:28 Speaker 354: you, Warden. And three wouldn't. It
03:51:33 Speaker 354: would help to mitigate.
03:51:46 Speaker 354: It wouldn't
03:51:52 Speaker 354: eliminate them. It would probably reduce
03:51:53 Speaker 354: them about half, maybe a little
03:51:55 Speaker 354: more than half. But like based
03:51:57 Speaker 354: on our numbers, we'd have about
03:51:58 Speaker 354: thirty percent exceeding eighty right now.
03:51:59 Speaker 354: Based on historical trends and data,
03:52:00 Speaker 355: it could get down to maybe
03:52:04 Speaker 355: ten to fifteen percent, kind of
03:52:07 Speaker 355: like a bare minimum. If we
03:52:08 Speaker 355: were to post it to that,
03:52:10 Speaker 356: we would see the ninety probably
03:52:12 Speaker 356: get pretty close to zero. We
03:52:14 Speaker 357: get pretty close to zero. So,
03:52:17 Speaker 357: posting at a 60 with a
03:52:18 Speaker 357: 90 design speed, you almost eliminate
03:52:20 Speaker 24: the risk. Versus 80, you would
03:52:23 Speaker 24: still see perceived risk. Okay, we'll
03:52:24 Speaker 24: go to Councillor Greg. And I'd
03:52:28 Speaker 24: like to add an amendment to
03:52:30 Speaker 24: that. That staff report back to
03:52:31 Speaker 202: Council on a reducing of the
03:52:37 Speaker 358: speed limit to 60 kilometres an
03:52:44 Speaker 359: hour for that zone. Let's go
03:52:46 Speaker 360: through the person and do the
03:52:49 Speaker 360: amendment next. I I want to
03:52:51 Speaker 360: I want to put it here
03:52:53 Speaker 360: now because it is associated with
03:52:55 Speaker 360: the safety concern and the conversation.
03:52:56 Speaker 361: I think so that it's acknowledged
03:52:59 Speaker 361: that it's it's you know pertinent
03:53:01 Speaker 361: in both at the same time.
03:53:04 Speaker 361: Okay, so Councillor Greg, you are
03:53:05 Speaker 361: proposing an amendment to the amendment,
03:53:07 Speaker 361: and I appreciate although the report
03:53:09 Speaker 361: is all about. design speed, we
03:53:11 Speaker 361: can hear that everybody is making
03:53:13 Speaker 361: that connection about what the final
03:53:15 Speaker 361: speed limit might be. So I
03:53:17 Speaker 361: appreciate that. I do believe that
03:53:18 Speaker 361: is part of what we are
03:53:20 Speaker 361: here to discuss. I don't think
03:53:22 Speaker 361: it's a separate matter. So we'll
03:53:24 Speaker 361: carry on with these amendments to
03:53:25 Speaker 361: the main motion. This is an
03:53:27 Speaker 361: amendment to the to the amendment
03:53:29 Speaker 361: that the primary amendment be amended
03:53:32 Speaker 361: to request a staff report on
03:53:34 Speaker 361: a proposed speed limit of sixty
03:53:39 Speaker 361: kilometres per hour. Is there a
03:53:41 Speaker 361: seconder for that amendment? to the
03:53:42 Speaker 361: original amendment, seconded by Councillor Debrine.
03:53:43 Speaker 361: Okay, so it is now on
03:53:51 Speaker 361: the floor for discussion, and it
03:53:52 Speaker 361: is up there on the screen.
03:53:54 Speaker 362: So we are now discussing that
03:53:57 Speaker 362: the primary amendment be amended to
03:53:58 Speaker 362: request a staff report on a
03:54:00 Speaker 363: proposed speed limit of sixty kilometres
03:54:03 Speaker 363: per hour on Grey. I realize
03:54:04 Speaker 363: it's hard to sometimes discuss one
03:54:05 Speaker 363: piece without discussing the holistic picture,
03:54:06 Speaker 363: but we'll have to try to
03:54:08 Speaker 364: stay a process and just focus
03:54:11 Speaker 365: in on this particular adjustment that.
03:54:16 Speaker 365: has been proposed, and we will
03:54:18 Speaker 365: go just before I go to
03:54:20 Speaker 366: Councillor McQueen. I had I I
03:54:23 Speaker 366: wasn't sure if that was a
03:54:23 Speaker 366: stretch, Councillor Ericksen, or a hand
03:54:26 Speaker 367: up. So it was a hand
03:54:29 Speaker 367: up. So we're going to begin
03:54:30 Speaker 223: with Councillor Ericksen, and then over
03:54:33 Speaker 223: to Councillor McQueen. So just for
03:54:36 Speaker 223: clarity, we have an amendment on
03:54:36 Speaker 223: the floor, and now we have
03:54:38 Speaker 223: another amendment, but it's not amending
03:54:42 Speaker 223: the amendment. So. It is, yeah.
03:54:44 Speaker 223: It it is actually an amendment
03:54:45 Speaker 223: to the amendment. So it it
03:54:47 Speaker 223: it is not an amendment to
03:54:48 Speaker 223: the main motion. It is an
03:54:51 Speaker 223: amendment to the amendment. I know
03:54:52 Speaker 223: it's it's challenging, but that's what
03:54:57 Speaker 223: we're looking at. If this mo,
03:54:59 Speaker 223: if this particular amendment to the
03:55:01 Speaker 368: the amendment passes, then we will
03:55:06 Speaker 369: carry on to discuss Councillor Body's
03:55:09 Speaker 370: amendment with this embodied into it
03:55:11 Speaker 371: or not, depending on how this
03:55:14 Speaker 371: goes. Okay, so with that, then
03:55:16 Speaker 371: we'll go to Councillor McQueen. Thank
03:55:17 Speaker 371: you, Madam Warden. Is it possible
03:55:19 Speaker 371: that we could pull up the
03:55:20 Speaker 371: picture in the report? The reason
03:55:32 Speaker 371: I say that it does do
03:55:34 Speaker 223: a perspective on that hill—is that
03:55:37 Speaker 223: possible? Just kind of, I have
03:55:39 Speaker 223: a question. Okay, so you're requesting
03:55:41 Speaker 223: the diagram that was in the
03:55:43 Speaker 223: report. Oops, sorry. Sorry, Madam Warden,
03:55:44 Speaker 223: to the to Trevor from that
03:55:48 Speaker 223: viewpoint of that pitch. From that
03:55:49 Speaker 223: viewpoint of that picture, is that
03:55:50 Speaker 223: looking? It's looking south. And right
03:55:55 Speaker 223: now, that is looking. And I
03:55:59 Speaker 223: presume the property. Or maybe you
03:56:00 Speaker 223: can help me. Where that intersection
03:56:03 Speaker 223: would be is at Roach Trees,
03:56:05 Speaker 223: at or from a design speed
03:56:07 Speaker 223: of 90. So right now, I
03:56:08 Speaker 223: think it was it was pointed
03:56:10 Speaker 223: out that right now that's a
03:56:11 Speaker 223: design speed of of 80 currently.
03:56:14 Speaker 223: So that wouldn't change. And also
03:56:15 Speaker 223: the amendment is to have a
03:56:18 Speaker 223: report about reducing that speed, as
03:56:20 Speaker 223: you see it posted there, of
03:56:22 Speaker 223: 80 to 60. My my other
03:56:24 Speaker 223: question, so that's for clarity. My
03:56:25 Speaker 223: question is, is is that Roach
03:56:27 Speaker 223: Trees where the Is is that
03:56:29 Speaker 223: road trees where that entrance will
03:56:32 Speaker 223: be, and is if if that
03:56:39 Speaker 223: other lands get developed, how does
03:56:41 Speaker 223: that affect the design and the
03:56:42 Speaker 223: speed of that road? Because it's
03:56:44 Speaker 223: more of a sightline issue going
03:56:46 Speaker 223: south, but is it a sightline
03:56:48 Speaker 223: issue going north as well? Thank
03:56:49 Speaker 223: you. Ah, yeah, three, you warden.
03:56:51 Speaker 150: So in terms of where. the
03:56:54 Speaker 150: entrance is, right, basically it's not
03:56:56 Speaker 150: visible in that drawing. It is
03:56:58 Speaker 150: not past the trees. So actually,
03:57:00 Speaker 150: this side of the trees, you
03:57:01 Speaker 150: kind of see the almost the
03:57:06 Speaker 150: greenish, the most green tree in
03:57:08 Speaker 150: the middle. That's a separate row
03:57:10 Speaker 150: of trees, and it's kind of
03:57:13 Speaker 372: out in front of the there,
03:57:44 Speaker 50: but it is down below that
03:57:48 Speaker 50: hill. The other element with this,
03:57:51 Speaker 50: the photo is taken obviously from
03:57:53 Speaker 50: on top of a vehicle with
03:57:55 Speaker 50: the camera. With the cameras, so
03:57:57 Speaker 50: again, the sight line from the
03:57:59 Speaker 50: camera is about a metre higher
03:58:01 Speaker 50: than the actual height that we
03:58:02 Speaker 50: we're up to. So, two parts
03:58:05 Speaker 50: to play here. Even in this
03:58:07 Speaker 50: image, you can't see the entrance,
03:58:10 Speaker 50: and there is sort of a
03:58:14 Speaker 50: pseudo field entrance in that location
03:58:15 Speaker 50: right now. And yeah, when you
03:58:18 Speaker 373: basically drive on that, you don't
03:58:22 Speaker 64: really see anything till about probably
03:58:24 Speaker 64: about where the eighty kilometre designs
03:58:27 Speaker 64: be or like the posted speed
03:58:31 Speaker 64: sign is in that image. The
03:58:32 Speaker 64: speed sign isn't that image. Just
03:58:36 Speaker 64: when you see the approximate driveway.
03:58:39 Speaker 64: Well, I get or for the
03:58:41 Speaker 64: northbound too. There is no sightline
03:58:45 Speaker 64: issue from the northbound perspective. Just
03:58:48 Speaker 358: follow up on that. So, if
03:58:53 Speaker 358: that was brought to the design
03:58:55 Speaker 215: speed that you're talking about, from
03:58:59 Speaker 215: the if you were sitting in
03:59:01 Speaker 215: a car at that spot, a
03:59:04 Speaker 215: metre and a half down from
03:59:06 Speaker 215: where that's taken, you would see,
03:59:08 Speaker 215: you could see the whole road.
03:59:11 Speaker 215: What would you see? You can
03:59:12 Speaker 215: effectively potentially see the road in
03:59:18 Speaker 64: the distance, probably not. But as
03:59:23 Speaker 64: you come across there, yeah, it'll
03:59:24 Speaker 64: slowly open up. You'll be able
03:59:26 Speaker 64: to see farther away than closer
03:59:31 Speaker 64: out first. Kind of where that
03:59:35 Speaker 64: large tree line is is about
03:59:38 Speaker 64: 400 metres from the intersection. And
03:59:45 Speaker 64: if again, if the intersection was
03:59:52 Speaker 64: in that location, you would be
03:59:55 Speaker 64: able to see it and then
03:59:58 Speaker 64: be sufficient stop time or stopping
03:59:59 Speaker 64: distance. Yes, and with if it
04:00:03 Speaker 64: was at that farther distance on
04:00:04 Speaker 64: the south side, you well like
04:00:06 Speaker 64: that you could accommodate with an
04:00:14 Speaker 223: eighty as well. But where it's
04:00:18 Speaker 223: being proposed, it would need to
04:00:19 Speaker 223: be a ninety at the north
04:00:20 Speaker 223: limit of it. Okay, so we're
04:00:22 Speaker 223: still on the amendment to the
04:00:25 Speaker 223: amendment. We'll go to Councillor Kenner.
04:00:26 Speaker 374: Thank you, Madam Warden, and you've
04:00:31 Speaker 374: quoted research from. Sweden. Is there
04:00:33 Speaker 374: any research to indicate the effect
04:00:35 Speaker 374: an improved sightline would have on
04:00:36 Speaker 374: drivers? And what I'm getting at
04:00:38 Speaker 374: is, would they speed up to
04:00:40 Speaker 374: pass a slow-moving vehicle because they
04:00:41 Speaker 374: had a more favourable sightline? Ah,
04:00:42 Speaker 374: in terms of sightlines, there a
04:00:43 Speaker 374: lot. Well, depending on the driver,
04:00:44 Speaker 374: really. There would likely be all
04:00:46 Speaker 68: of the kind of yellow dash
04:00:54 Speaker 68: lines in that that would indicate
04:00:55 Speaker 68: safe passing zones would be built
04:00:58 Speaker 223: to the design speed of the
04:01:01 Speaker 223: location. And typically, on most of
04:01:04 Speaker 223: our roads, we go to a
04:01:11 Speaker 368: 90 kilometre design speed for centreline
04:01:14 Speaker 368: measure or yellow lines. Basically, the
04:01:15 Speaker 92: chance would be coming off the
04:01:18 Speaker 92: edge or end of the intersection.
04:01:20 Speaker 92: There's always a risk to someone
04:01:23 Speaker 92: if, say, even Say you've been,
04:01:26 Speaker 92: might be someone that's been following
04:01:29 Speaker 92: someone that's going slow on the
04:01:30 Speaker 92: highway, and they're getting overly agitated.
04:01:32 Speaker 92: They might immediately try to make
04:01:35 Speaker 92: a quick pass. The likelihood of
04:01:36 Speaker 92: someone being able to make a
04:01:38 Speaker 92: pass before the proposed entrance location
04:01:40 Speaker 92: is, unless they're very agitated and
04:01:43 Speaker 92: in a major rush, I don't
04:01:45 Speaker 375: expect to start a pass until
04:01:51 Speaker 375: they're over that hill and can
04:01:53 Speaker 376: see. Otherwise, they're making a pass
04:01:56 Speaker 376: in a spot they can't see
04:01:58 Speaker 376: over the crest of the hill.
04:02:00 Speaker 377: Yeah. Okay. Let's see then. Okay,
04:02:02 Speaker 377: I don't see any further hands
04:02:09 Speaker 377: up. Making sure on the screen,
04:02:10 Speaker 377: on the virtual screen as well.
04:02:12 Speaker 377: No, no further hands up on
04:02:14 Speaker 377: this amendment to the amendment. So
04:02:15 Speaker 377: I'm going to call the question
04:02:17 Speaker 377: now on the amendment to the
04:02:18 Speaker 377: amendment, which is that the primary
04:02:20 Speaker 377: amendment be amended to request a
04:02:22 Speaker 377: staff report on a proposed speed
04:02:23 Speaker 377: limit of 60 kilometres per hour
04:02:25 Speaker 377: on Gray Road 5 in this
04:02:26 Speaker 377: location. All those in favour. Okay,
04:02:28 Speaker 377: that is carried. Okay, so we'll
04:02:30 Speaker 377: take a moment to adjust the
04:02:31 Speaker 50: original amendment, and then we will
04:02:36 Speaker 50: continue with that discussion. Okay, so
04:02:41 Speaker 50: it. Okay, so the the amendment
04:02:43 Speaker 50: to the main motion now reads
04:02:45 Speaker 378: that the main motion be amended
04:02:50 Speaker 378: by changing clause three to reduce
04:02:51 Speaker 68: the design speed from 90 kilometres
04:03:13 Speaker 68: per hour to 80 kilometres per
04:03:14 Speaker 68: hour in front. of the new
04:03:16 Speaker 68: school, and that a stop report
04:03:18 Speaker 68: be brought forward to a proposed
04:03:19 Speaker 144: on a proposed speed limit of
04:03:22 Speaker 144: 60 kilometres per hour on Gray
04:03:23 Speaker 144: Road Five at this location. That
04:03:24 Speaker 144: is now what we're discussing. Any
04:03:27 Speaker 144: further discussion on this amendment? We'll
04:03:29 Speaker 144: go to Councillor Eccles. So unclear
04:03:31 Speaker 144: by going to leaving it at
04:03:32 Speaker 379: an 80 kilometre design, which it
04:03:34 Speaker 379: is at the present moment. been
04:03:36 Speaker 380: approved. The county would not need
04:03:38 Speaker 380: to do any work on this
04:03:40 Speaker 380: road, minimal. But they put it
04:03:42 Speaker 381: to a ninety-kilometre design. We're going
04:03:44 Speaker 382: to have to cut, tear, and
04:03:46 Speaker 382: somewhere around half a million. You
04:03:47 Speaker 383: were thinking? Yeah, through you, Warden.
04:03:50 Speaker 383: There is construction works that have
04:03:51 Speaker 383: to occur regardless. There's new lanes,
04:03:53 Speaker 383: curb, but in terms of actual
04:03:55 Speaker 384: road construction, there would be no
04:03:57 Speaker 384: excavation. So effectively, they would they
04:03:58 Speaker 384: would take out the excavated, replace
04:04:00 Speaker 384: the granular material, the asphalt, and
04:04:01 Speaker 384: construct the new road, but at
04:04:03 Speaker 384: the same grade that it currently
04:04:05 Speaker 384: exists. And those lanes, turning lanes,
04:04:06 Speaker 385: whatever you want that are going
04:04:11 Speaker 385: into the school, would. be at
04:04:13 Speaker 385: the developer's cost, correct? Yeah. So
04:04:15 Speaker 385: by leaving it at an eighty-kilometre
04:04:17 Speaker 386: design, the budgetary impact is going
04:04:21 Speaker 386: to be extremely minimal for the
04:04:28 Speaker 387: county. Yeah. Okay. By putting it
04:04:30 Speaker 388: to a ninety. we were probably
04:04:32 Speaker 388: going to be in for. Depending
04:04:34 Speaker 388: if those gas lines are in
04:04:36 Speaker 388: the right spot, and the school
04:04:37 Speaker 388: has tested them, sit there in
04:04:39 Speaker 68: the right spot, we're probably into
04:05:04 Speaker 68: this for a half a million.
04:05:05 Speaker 389: Someone would be. It wouldn't necessarily
04:05:22 Speaker 389: be us. Typically, those would be
04:05:23 Speaker 209: the result, or the development would
04:05:25 Speaker 209: pay for those sort of charges,
04:05:28 Speaker 209: unless they. Those sort of charges,
04:05:30 Speaker 209: unless there was some sort of
04:05:31 Speaker 209: potential agreement that was done at
04:05:34 Speaker 209: the side of that. But okay,
04:05:35 Speaker 209: and just just for the record,
04:05:37 Speaker 209: too, just I think if you
04:05:40 Speaker 209: can just make sure you've answered
04:05:41 Speaker 209: fully to the original question before
04:05:43 Speaker 209: there was that second question added
04:05:46 Speaker 209: on, just because you didn't have
04:05:49 Speaker 209: your mic on at this at
04:05:51 Speaker 209: the time, so we just want
04:05:53 Speaker 209: to make sure everybody heard the
04:05:55 Speaker 209: response that wouldn't be sitting in
04:05:57 Speaker 209: the room. Thank you. Yeah. So,
04:05:59 Speaker 209: in terms of the extra cost,
04:06:01 Speaker 209: there would be no extra cost
04:06:03 Speaker 209: to to the school board for
04:06:08 Speaker 209: constructing it above or beyond what
04:06:10 Speaker 209: they've already constructed. Okay. So we're
04:06:12 Speaker 209: going to go to Councillor Greg
04:06:14 Speaker 390: next. I would just like to
04:06:17 Speaker 391: add. It was noted about passing
04:06:22 Speaker 392: notations or delineation on that. Many
04:06:25 Speaker 392: in this room were part of
04:06:27 Speaker 392: a decision to eliminate passing from
04:06:29 Speaker 393: Rockford to Minnetonka Corners on Gray
04:06:32 Speaker 393: Road 18. So, if you really
04:06:34 Speaker 393: want to be concerned about safety,
04:06:38 Speaker 393: you can make further decisions that
04:06:39 Speaker 209: enhance people's safety. And this would
04:06:43 Speaker 209: be one block where you could
04:06:45 Speaker 209: consider down the road just removing
04:06:47 Speaker 209: any delineations on passing options, no
04:06:49 Speaker 209: different than recent decision that has
04:06:51 Speaker 209: been made in this room. Thanks.
04:06:53 Speaker 209: Okay. All right. Yes. Sorry. Go
04:06:56 Speaker 209: ahead, Mr. Arten. I was just
04:06:58 Speaker 209: going to mention. Usually, once we
04:06:59 Speaker 209: reduce down to sixty, typically there's
04:07:01 Speaker 209: generally no passing in any sixty
04:07:04 Speaker 209: or below speed limit zones. Anyway.
04:07:06 Speaker 209: Okay. Thank you. So I don't
04:07:07 Speaker 209: see any further hands up. Then
04:07:10 Speaker 209: so we are now voting on
04:07:11 Speaker 209: the amendment to the main motion
04:07:13 Speaker 209: and the amendment. we are voting
04:07:15 Speaker 209: on is that the main motion
04:07:16 Speaker 209: be amended by changing clause three
04:07:19 Speaker 209: to reduce the design speed from
04:07:20 Speaker 209: ninety kilometres per hour to eighty
04:07:23 Speaker 209: kilometres per hour in front of
04:07:24 Speaker 209: the new school, and that a
04:07:26 Speaker 209: staff report be brought forward on
04:07:28 Speaker 209: a proposed speed limit of sixty
04:07:31 Speaker 209: kilometres per hour on Grey Road
04:07:32 Speaker 209: Five at this location. All those
04:07:34 Speaker 209: in favour? Okay. Opposed? Okay. So
04:07:36 Speaker 209: that motion is carried. Okay. So
04:07:38 Speaker 209: we are now revisiting the main
04:07:40 Speaker 209: motion. as it has been amended.
04:07:41 Speaker 209: I'll just give a moment for
04:07:44 Speaker 209: the clerk to update that. Okay,
04:07:45 Speaker 209: I have all. Okay, I have
04:07:50 Speaker 249: already read the main motion. I
04:07:53 Speaker 249: have already read the amended motion.
04:07:55 Speaker 249: I'm not going to re-read it
04:07:57 Speaker 249: all piece together, but this was
04:07:58 Speaker 249: with regards to the final sections
04:08:00 Speaker 249: of that motion, so it is
04:08:01 Speaker 249: up on the screen for you
04:08:02 Speaker 249: to do a final review, and
04:08:07 Speaker 249: we'll do for any final discussion
04:08:09 Speaker 249: points on this main motion, which
04:08:10 Speaker 249: is now what we are voting
04:08:18 Speaker 249: on, Councillor McQueen. Thank you, Madam
04:08:32 Speaker 249: Warden, and with regards to the
04:08:34 Speaker 249: amended motion, with regards to the
04:08:36 Speaker 249: report to come back, a lot
04:08:38 Speaker 249: of school zones as. I mentioned
04:08:40 Speaker 249: a little bit ago, reduce the
04:08:41 Speaker 249: speed during school times. I don't
04:08:44 Speaker 249: know if that report can reflect
04:08:46 Speaker 249: that, and what's the rationale around
04:08:47 Speaker 249: that? Because, like I said, in
04:08:48 Speaker 249: Maxwell, at a certain time, it
04:08:50 Speaker 249: goes from fifty to forty during
04:08:52 Speaker 249: that time, and I don't know
04:08:56 Speaker 249: if that can come back
04:08:58 Speaker 249: in the report because that during
04:09:01 Speaker 249: those times may reduce it even
04:09:03 Speaker 249: more. Or what's the rationale behind
04:09:05 Speaker 249: that? Maybe an explanation to the
04:09:08 Speaker 249: report would would speak to that.
04:09:10 Speaker 249: Thank you. Okay, and I guess
04:09:13 Speaker 249: that would also be part of
04:09:14 Speaker 249: in the report would be the
04:09:16 Speaker 249: clarification about being a community safety
04:09:18 Speaker 249: zone as well. Okay, anything else
04:09:20 Speaker 249: to ask, comment? Yes, Councillor Dicker.
04:09:23 Speaker 249: Thank you. On the on page
04:09:25 Speaker 249: fifty four seventy nine, it says
04:09:28 Speaker 249: future short term road and future
04:09:29 Speaker 249: long term road. Can what is
04:09:33 Speaker 249: the definition of is this a
04:09:35 Speaker 249: temporary road or why are they?
04:09:37 Speaker 249: trimming it short term? There might
04:09:38 Speaker 394: be a page differentiation between the
04:09:42 Speaker 395: whole package. Page three, bottom of
04:09:45 Speaker 395: page three. Yeah, thank you for
04:09:46 Speaker 395: that question. So this, so it
04:09:48 Speaker 396: reads, it is unlikely that further
04:09:52 Speaker 396: substantive development would occur on the
04:09:54 Speaker 397: subject lands in the short or
04:09:57 Speaker 397: medium term planning horizon, unless substantive
04:10:01 Speaker 397: changes in the current planning framework
04:10:03 Speaker 397: were to occur. so this is
04:10:06 Speaker 397: a bit confusing. So in this
04:10:09 Speaker 397: case, the the the lands in
04:10:12 Speaker 397: question are actually the lands across
04:10:14 Speaker 397: the road that would be subject
04:10:17 Speaker 397: to an entrance for that fourth
04:10:19 Speaker 397: leg extension. So this piece is
04:10:22 Speaker 397: really around that MTO request.
04:10:25 Speaker 397: And so again, given the limitations
04:10:29 Speaker 397: of development on those lands across
04:10:32 Speaker 397: the road, which are outside of
04:10:35 Speaker 397: the settlement area, located within the
04:10:37 Speaker 397: municipality of Meaford, and also located
04:10:39 Speaker 397: within the Niagara Escarpment Plan area.
04:10:43 Speaker 397: again. So the the short or
04:10:46 Speaker 397: medium term planning horizon, staff feel
04:10:48 Speaker 397: that it's unlikely that development is
04:10:52 Speaker 397: to occur there within that planning
04:10:54 Speaker 397: horizon. If that helps, does that
04:10:57 Speaker 397: make sense? Okay. Is there a
04:10:59 Speaker 397: follow up? So just to clarify,
04:11:02 Speaker 397: so the term short term isn't
04:11:05 Speaker 397: temporary. It's it's a road
04:11:09 Speaker 397: that is planned, but I'm
04:11:12 Speaker 397: just I am. confused as the
04:11:14 Speaker 397: difference between short term and long
04:11:17 Speaker 397: term. Yeah, thank you. So in
04:11:19 Speaker 397: this case, the reference is not
04:11:22 Speaker 397: necessarily about the road. It's really
04:11:27 Speaker 397: about whether or not planning, or
04:11:30 Speaker 397: sorry, new development were to occur
04:11:32 Speaker 397: on those lands across the road.
04:11:35 Speaker 397: So typically, when when we're
04:11:38 Speaker 397: planning, we look sort of twenty,
04:11:41 Speaker 397: twenty five, thirty years out and
04:11:44 Speaker 397: think about kind of what are
04:11:48 Speaker 397: those things that we need to
04:11:51 Speaker 397: consider within that framework. and you
04:11:54 Speaker 397: know, it's unlikely from staff's perspective
04:11:57 Speaker 397: that you know within the next
04:12:01 Speaker 397: twenty years or so we're likely
04:12:03 Speaker 397: to see a settlement area in
04:12:05 Speaker 397: the city of Owen Sound that
04:12:07 Speaker 397: would that would encompass those lands.
04:12:09 Speaker 397: Certainly, we don't have a crystal
04:12:12 Speaker 397: ball; we can't predict the future.
04:12:15 Speaker 397: But given the the planning policies
04:12:19 Speaker 397: and framework that we have at
04:12:21 Speaker 397: this stage, that's that's sort of
04:12:23 Speaker 397: what we're seeing there. So the
04:12:25 Speaker 397: road itself would not be short
04:12:27 Speaker 397: term. The intersection itself would not
04:12:30 Speaker 397: be short term. Be short-term, you
04:12:32 Speaker 397: know. If other developments are proposed
04:12:34 Speaker 397: in the surrounding area, of course,
04:12:36 Speaker 397: we would likely ask for that
04:12:38 Speaker 397: additional traffic review at that stage.
04:12:41 Speaker 397: There may be other additions or
04:12:44 Speaker 397: updates or upgrades to the roads
04:12:45 Speaker 397: proposed at that time, but yeah,
04:12:48 Speaker 397: nothing about the road that's proposed
04:12:52 Speaker 397: at this stage would be sort
04:12:53 Speaker 397: of short-term. Okay. Any other final
04:12:54 Speaker 131: comments? Okay. So we've had a
04:12:59 Speaker 131: healthy discussion on it. It has
04:13:01 Speaker 131: been amended. We are voting now
04:13:02 Speaker 226: on the main. motion as it's
04:13:08 Speaker 226: been amended. We have read that
04:13:15 Speaker 64: out already, so I will call
04:13:21 Speaker 64: the question. All those in favour?
04:13:24 Speaker 64: Okay. Could I ask you all
04:13:26 Speaker 398: to keep your hands up for
04:13:28 Speaker 64: a moment, please? Thank you. Okay.
04:13:31 Speaker 399: So, Madam Clerk, I see that
04:13:36 Speaker 400: is carried. Thank you very much,
04:13:39 Speaker 400: Mr. Ireton and Ms. Hillier, for
04:13:41 Speaker 400: guiding us through that discussion. And
04:13:43 Speaker 401: with that, we will move on
04:13:45 Speaker 401: to Item Seven E. And we
04:13:47 Speaker 401: have on line with us we
04:13:50 Speaker 401: have Director Morrow to speak to
04:13:53 Speaker 401: this item. So I will put
04:13:55 Speaker 401: it on the floor. I'll see
04:13:59 Speaker 401: about getting it on the floor
04:14:01 Speaker 401: first. It's recommended that Report HHRCW
04:14:03 Speaker 401: zero two twenty five. CW 0225
04:14:05 Speaker 401: regarding the results of collective bargaining
04:14:07 Speaker 401: between Rockwood Terrace and Unifor Local
04:14:08 Speaker 401: 302 be received, and that County
04:14:10 Speaker 401: Council ratify and approve the recommendations
04:14:13 Speaker 401: of the bargaining team between the
04:14:17 Speaker 401: County of Grey and Unifor Local
04:14:19 Speaker 401: 302 to bind the new collective
04:14:22 Speaker 401: agreements, and that the Warden and
04:14:24 Speaker 401: Clerk be authorised to sign and
04:14:26 Speaker 401: bind the new collective agreements
04:14:29 Speaker 401: as ratified, and that County Council
04:14:32 Speaker 402: authorises staff to make the necessary
04:14:36 Speaker 402: amendments to the rates. of pay,
04:14:38 Speaker 402: benefits, and other issues identified as
04:14:39 Speaker 403: agreed changes, and may ask for
04:14:43 Speaker 403: a mover and a seconder, please.
04:14:45 Speaker 404: Okay, so it's moved by Councillor
04:14:49 Speaker 404: Carleton and seconded by Councillor Mackie.
04:14:52 Speaker 404: It's now on the floor for
04:14:55 Speaker 404: discussion. Welcome, Director Morrow. Good afternoon,
04:14:57 Speaker 404: Board and Matrosovs, and members of
04:14:59 Speaker 404: Council. Firstly, I'm happy to say
04:15:00 Speaker 404: there are no speed limits to
04:15:04 Speaker 404: consider within this report, and I
04:15:06 Speaker 404: will. get us started on a
04:15:07 Speaker 404: brief summary of the agreed-to items
04:15:15 Speaker 404: with our union partners. So, as
04:15:17 Speaker 404: outlined in the recommendation, the County
04:15:18 Speaker 401: of Grey and Unifor Local 302
04:15:22 Speaker 401: successfully negotiated a new memorandum of
04:15:24 Speaker 401: settlement for Walkerterra staff. That is
04:15:26 Speaker 401: all staff, with the exception of
04:15:30 Speaker 401: non-union and our Ona nursing partners.
04:15:32 Speaker 401: So, the settlement supports the county's
04:15:36 Speaker 401: vision to be a high-performance. municipal
04:15:38 Speaker 401: employer and maintains a respectful, respectful
04:15:40 Speaker 401: partnership between management and union representatives.
04:15:42 Speaker 401: Within the memorandum of settlement, there
04:15:45 Speaker 401: are wage increases and premium increases.
04:15:47 Speaker 401: So the agreement includes a market
04:15:48 Speaker 401: adjustment to the role of cook,
04:15:51 Speaker 401: at fifty cents per hour increase
04:15:54 Speaker 401: before across-the-board wage increases for all
04:15:57 Speaker 401: staff. There are general wage increases
04:15:58 Speaker 401: over the two years. totaling six
04:16:01 Speaker 401: percent, we have made modest increases
04:16:03 Speaker 401: to shift premiums for weekdays and
04:16:05 Speaker 401: weekends, and a modest increase to
04:16:07 Speaker 405: responsibility pay for unionized employees who
04:16:12 Speaker 406: temporarily take on supervisory roles. In
04:16:16 Speaker 406: regards to employee employee benefit enhancements,
04:16:18 Speaker 297: we included a long-term disability coverage
04:16:20 Speaker 297: enhancement that matches the rate of
04:16:24 Speaker 297: compensation at today's rate. Previously, we
04:16:26 Speaker 297: had a maximum in there that
04:16:29 Speaker 297: didn't provide for 66% of higher-paid
04:16:31 Speaker 297: staff members within this collective agreement.
04:16:34 Speaker 407: We also included enhancements to pregnancy
04:16:39 Speaker 397: and parental leave top-up provisions and
04:16:43 Speaker 397: an additional paid holiday for unionized
04:16:45 Speaker 397: Indigenous staff members, specifically National Indigenous
04:16:47 Speaker 397: Peoples Day, which is recognized on
04:16:50 Speaker 397: June 21st of each calendar year.
04:16:53 Speaker 397: For working conditions and allowances, the
04:16:54 Speaker 397: agreement defines orientation hours for registered
04:16:56 Speaker 397: practical nurses. It revises job posting
04:17:02 Speaker 39: procedures to recognize our new online
04:17:08 Speaker 39: systems. It provides normative increases for
04:17:10 Speaker 39: reimbursement for uniforms and safety boots
04:17:12 Speaker 39: that are in line with our
04:17:13 Speaker 39: long-term care homes in Markdale and
04:17:16 Speaker 39: Owen Sound, and it increases vacation
04:17:18 Speaker 39: entitlement to six weeks for unionized
04:17:23 Speaker 39: staff members with over. twenty years
04:17:24 Speaker 39: of service. The financial impact and
04:17:27 Speaker 39: costing: the first year cost is
04:17:31 Speaker 39: approximately two hundred thousand four hundred
04:17:33 Speaker 39: and twenty-nine dollars, and the second
04:17:36 Speaker 39: year cost has been roughly
04:17:39 Speaker 39: estimated at two hundred and fifty,
04:17:42 Speaker 39: two hundred and forty-nine, five hundred
04:17:43 Speaker 39: fifty-five thousand in the second year,
04:17:46 Speaker 39: and both of those years are
04:17:48 Speaker 39: within the upset limit that council
04:17:49 Speaker 408: had previously approved when they provided
04:17:55 Speaker 409: us our negotiating mandate. and I'll
04:18:00 Speaker 409: leave the summary at that. And
04:18:01 Speaker 410: I'm available to answer questions if
04:18:05 Speaker 410: anyone has any. Thank you. So
04:18:06 Speaker 411: I'll put it out to county
04:18:11 Speaker 412: council members if they have any
04:18:14 Speaker 412: questions. I think maybe the last
04:18:16 Speaker 412: one just tired everybody out, so
04:18:20 Speaker 412: I don't see anything. We do
04:18:22 Speaker 412: have one from Councillor Eccles. Is
04:18:24 Speaker 412: the shoe? boot, premium—very similar to
04:18:26 Speaker 412: our other contracts, or just the
04:18:28 Speaker 412: contracts within long-term care. Is a
04:18:31 Speaker 412: number of these its pay equity?
04:18:34 Speaker 412: So I was wondering whether that
04:18:37 Speaker 412: is equal going back on the
04:18:39 Speaker 412: pay equity comparisons. Through you, Councillor
04:18:41 Speaker 412: Eccles, we wouldn't be considering pay
04:18:44 Speaker 412: equity when it. comes to boots,
04:18:46 Speaker 412: but we do consider the actual
04:18:47 Speaker 412: work performed. I believe, and without
04:18:49 Speaker 412: pulling all of the collective agreement
04:18:51 Speaker 412: and benefits together, the only group
04:18:54 Speaker 412: that has a higher rate is
04:19:00 Speaker 412: our QB operators, and our QB
04:19:01 Speaker 412: operators are permitted to boot purchases
04:19:06 Speaker 412: within a year within an upset
04:19:07 Speaker 412: limit, and that is due to
04:19:09 Speaker 412: the additional work duties that they
04:19:12 Speaker 412: perform. As you can imagine, when
04:19:14 Speaker 412: you're operating a plow in the
04:19:16 Speaker 412: winter. months—that's a pretty sweaty endeavor
04:19:20 Speaker 412: for your boots—and our QP partners
04:19:22 Speaker 412: go through those faster. Thank you.
04:19:24 Speaker 412: You're welcome. And I was remiss
04:19:26 Speaker 412: earlier. Pardon me, Warden Matrasovs, and
04:19:29 Speaker 412: members of council. I'm happy to
04:19:33 Speaker 412: say as well that the memorandum
04:19:35 Speaker 412: of settlement was successfully, positively ratified
04:19:37 Speaker 412: by our union partners earlier last
04:19:40 Speaker 412: week. Okay. Thank you. So I'll
04:19:42 Speaker 412: look around. the room. We have
04:19:45 Speaker 412: a question from Councillor Mackie. Thanks,
04:19:46 Speaker 412: Madam Warden. Thanks, Jen, for the
04:19:48 Speaker 412: report. The question is around the
04:19:50 Speaker 412: the conditions for the Indigenous holiday
04:19:54 Speaker 412: and whether or not, like in
04:19:58 Speaker 412: BC, it is a statutory holiday
04:20:00 Speaker 412: for the the province of BC.
04:20:02 Speaker 412: Are we giving it to one
04:20:05 Speaker 413: select group, and will we be
04:20:08 Speaker 413: challenged by other staff staff persons
04:20:10 Speaker 413: that they should receive it if?
04:20:13 Speaker 413: we're only giving it to a
04:20:15 Speaker 413: select group. Thanks. The National Truth
04:20:16 Speaker 413: and Reconciliation Day that is recognized
04:20:19 Speaker 412: in the fall is a federal
04:20:22 Speaker 412: statutory holiday. We now, within all
04:20:24 Speaker 412: of our groups, have more than
04:20:27 Speaker 412: the provincial standard. We have some
04:20:29 Speaker 412: recognized days, that being Remembrance Day.
04:20:31 Speaker 412: So yes, we are providing an
04:20:33 Speaker 412: additional day. we do provide National
04:20:35 Speaker 412: Indigenous Peoples Day with the ratification
04:20:37 Speaker 412: of this collective agreement to our
04:20:40 Speaker 412: partners that hold status as First
04:20:42 Speaker 412: Nations, Inuit, and Métis on June
04:20:43 Speaker 412: 21st of each day. It's a
04:20:45 Speaker 412: day to honour and recognize the
04:20:48 Speaker 412: unique heritage, diverse cultures, and outstanding
04:20:49 Speaker 412: contributions to our culture of our
04:20:52 Speaker 412: Indigenous staff members. And I would
04:20:54 Speaker 412: hope that we would not be
04:20:56 Speaker 412: challenged on that, but certainly within
04:21:01 Speaker 412: our culture, providing this day. to
04:21:04 Speaker 412: our Indigenous team members felt like
04:21:07 Speaker 412: a good thing to do to
04:21:09 Speaker 412: recognize their culture. Okay, there's a
04:21:11 Speaker 412: follow-up from Councillor Mackie. So the
04:21:15 Speaker 412: question, Jen, maybe I didn't come
04:21:18 Speaker 412: across it, is not about giving
04:21:22 Speaker 412: it to our our Native or
04:21:24 Speaker 412: Indigenous and Maori members that work
04:21:26 Speaker 412: for us, but will the other
04:21:28 Speaker 412: non-Maori, non-Indigenous members then expect the
04:21:33 Speaker 412: As members, and expect that they're
04:21:35 Speaker 412: going to get this statutory holiday
04:21:37 Speaker 412: also. Through you, Morden Matrosovs, to
04:21:39 Speaker 412: Councillor Mackie, the collective agreement is
04:21:41 Speaker 414: quite clear on who receives it
04:21:45 Speaker 414: and what is needed to qualify
04:21:47 Speaker 414: for it. And being as our
04:21:49 Speaker 414: bargaining unit partners have already ratified,
04:21:51 Speaker 414: I believe there's an understanding of
04:21:52 Speaker 415: what this day is given for
04:21:55 Speaker 416: and what is meant to do.
04:21:58 Speaker 416: Okay. Any other questions? Okay, I
04:21:59 Speaker 412: don't see any further hands up
04:22:02 Speaker 412: for any further questions, so I'll
04:22:04 Speaker 412: call the question. Then, all those
04:22:06 Speaker 412: in favour? Okay. Thank you. That
04:22:08 Speaker 417: motion is carried. Thank you very
04:22:12 Speaker 417: much, Director Morrow. Okay. So next,
04:22:13 Speaker 417: we're going to go to item
04:22:15 Speaker 417: seven F, and it's with regards
04:22:17 Speaker 417: to the new. multi-residential property tax
04:22:18 Speaker 412: subclass, and the recommendation is that
04:22:22 Speaker 412: report FRCW seventeen twenty five new
04:22:25 Speaker 412: multi-residential property tax subclass options and
04:22:28 Speaker 412: considerations be received for information. May
04:22:32 Speaker 412: I ask for a mover and
04:22:34 Speaker 412: a seconder? Moved by Councillor Kevany,
04:22:35 Speaker 412: seconded by Councillor Dobrin. It's now
04:22:38 Speaker 412: on the floor for discussion. Welcome,
04:22:39 Speaker 412: Director Spicer. Thank you, Madam Warden.
04:22:41 Speaker 412: 2:13 in the afternoon. There's probably
04:22:44 Speaker 412: nothing more exciting to everybody in
04:22:47 Speaker 412: the room than tax policy. So
04:22:49 Speaker 412: I like to think that I'm
04:22:53 Speaker 412: just one up to planning. So
04:22:55 Speaker 412: in the spring 2025 budget, there
04:22:58 Speaker 412: was a new optional affordable rental
04:23:00 Speaker 412: housing subclass that was introduced. If
04:23:03 Speaker 412: it's adopted, it it provides a
04:23:07 Speaker 412: reduction of for eligible units of
04:23:08 Speaker 412: up to 35 percent. Of up
04:23:10 Speaker 412: to thirty-five percent of the new
04:23:11 Speaker 418: multi-res rate, and so as a
04:23:15 Speaker 418: reminder, new multi-res is the same
04:23:17 Speaker 418: rate as residential, which is a
04:23:18 Speaker 418: one. So it would be up
04:23:19 Speaker 418: to thirty-five percent, and that's at
04:23:21 Speaker 418: the discretion of the municipality should
04:23:23 Speaker 408: it be adopted. So there's a
04:23:26 Speaker 408: number of requirements that need to
04:23:28 Speaker 291: be met regarding the eligibility. So
04:23:31 Speaker 291: it's not simply that it's the
04:23:33 Speaker 291: overall property or that you're in
04:23:38 Speaker 291: the you're currently in. the original
04:23:40 Speaker 291: multi-residential category, so each unit would
04:23:42 Speaker 291: need to meet the criteria about
04:23:46 Speaker 291: affordability and tax policy. As a
04:23:49 Speaker 291: reminder, set at the the county
04:23:54 Speaker 291: level as the upper tier municipality,
04:23:56 Speaker 291: if we wished to implement this
04:24:00 Speaker 291: new subclass for 2026, a bylaw
04:24:03 Speaker 291: would have to be passed by
04:24:06 Speaker 291: September 30th. Attached to the agenda
04:24:08 Speaker 291: is correspondence that was received. by
04:24:11 Speaker 291: the City of Owen Sound from
04:24:13 Speaker 291: Ontario, so Owen Sound Municipal Nonprofit,
04:24:16 Speaker 291: asking that the subclass be adopted,
04:24:20 Speaker 291: and we haven't received through any
04:24:22 Speaker 291: other member municipalities a similar request.
04:24:26 Speaker 291: But we're aware of other nonprofits
04:24:28 Speaker 291: that are interested in the topic,
04:24:31 Speaker 291: and given the short timeframe to
04:24:34 Speaker 291: make a decision, the recommendation in
04:24:36 Speaker 291: the report is that we study
04:24:37 Speaker 291: the impact. If you're interested in
04:24:38 Speaker 291: pursuing what would be a third.
04:24:43 Speaker 291: multi-residential class, albeit this one would
04:24:45 Speaker 291: be a subclass. And just because
04:24:53 Speaker 291: September thirtieth is the deadline, it
04:24:55 Speaker 291: doesn't mean the deadline forever. It's
04:24:57 Speaker 419: the deadline for 2026. And if
04:25:02 Speaker 144: you chose to tell us that
04:25:05 Speaker 144: you wanted to implement the subclass,
04:25:08 Speaker 144: we would pass the reduction as
04:25:10 Speaker 144: part of the 2026 tax policy,
04:25:12 Speaker 144: which has to be passed in
04:25:14 Speaker 420: 2026. It can't be passed in
04:25:17 Speaker 421: advance. of the year. Just as
04:25:22 Speaker 92: a reminder, so we've currently got
04:25:24 Speaker 422: two tax classes for multi-residential, multi-res,
04:25:27 Speaker 422: which was the the old one,
04:25:29 Speaker 422: and a new multi-res which came
04:25:30 Speaker 422: in at a rate of one
04:25:32 Speaker 422: again the same as residential, and
04:25:33 Speaker 423: the only difference between the two
04:25:35 Speaker 423: was when the properties were built.
04:25:38 Speaker 423: So my report makes the the
04:25:41 Speaker 423: reference that if you had two
04:25:43 Speaker 423: that had the exact same assessed
04:25:44 Speaker 423: value, one built in one. year
04:25:47 Speaker 423: and one built in the year
04:25:48 Speaker 423: that applied to the new multi-res
04:25:50 Speaker 423: class. Then the amount of property
04:25:51 Speaker 423: tax they would pay was different.
04:25:53 Speaker 423: So in 2023, council agreed with
04:25:56 Speaker 423: the recommendation to start moving the
04:25:59 Speaker 423: original multi-res ratio down over four
04:26:01 Speaker 423: years, so that 2026 would be
04:26:04 Speaker 423: the final year, and it would
04:26:07 Speaker 423: then be the same ratio as
04:26:09 Speaker 423: the new multi-res. A new multi-res
04:26:12 Speaker 423: class and residential at one. There'd
04:26:13 Speaker 423: be some work to be done
04:26:15 Speaker 423: to determine eligibility. So we would
04:26:17 Speaker 423: need to determine what properties meet
04:26:19 Speaker 423: the criteria, how many units, and
04:26:24 Speaker 423: work with MPA. So we do
04:26:25 Speaker 423: know the number of units that
04:26:28 Speaker 423: Gray County manages and where they're
04:26:30 Speaker 423: located, and they would qualify to
04:26:32 Speaker 423: move into this category if it
04:26:34 Speaker 423: was adopted. We also know for
04:26:36 Speaker 423: the nonprofits that we provide subsidy
04:26:38 Speaker 423: to where those properties are located,
04:26:41 Speaker 423: and we would have to do
04:26:44 Speaker 423: some work to determine how many
04:26:45 Speaker 423: of them meet the eligibility of
04:26:46 Speaker 423: the affordability criteria, and when whether
04:26:48 Speaker 423: any of their market rent units
04:26:50 Speaker 423: fall into that criteria or not.
04:26:52 Speaker 423: And it's based on the criteria
04:26:54 Speaker 423: that is set for every municipality
04:26:56 Speaker 423: about your affordability levels. And then
04:26:59 Speaker 423: we would also need to work
04:27:02 Speaker 423: to determine if. there's any other
04:27:07 Speaker 423: units across the county that meet
04:27:09 Speaker 423: the criteria that might have these
04:27:11 Speaker 423: federal and provincial agreements that aren't
04:27:13 Speaker 423: anything that falls within our budget.
04:27:15 Speaker 423: That would require some assistance from
04:27:17 Speaker 423: MTE, your member municipalities, and discussions
04:27:19 Speaker 423: with MPAK. And as the report
04:27:23 Speaker 423: mentions, the units we should keep
04:27:24 Speaker 423: in mind are not evenly dispersed
04:27:28 Speaker 423: across the county, so we would
04:27:31 Speaker 423: want to do some sensitivity analysis.
04:27:33 Speaker 423: If you were interested. in ever
04:27:35 Speaker 423: adopting this subclass, to determine the
04:27:36 Speaker 423: impact on the municipalities that obviously
04:27:38 Speaker 423: have more units than the rest,
04:27:41 Speaker 423: and the impact as well, because
04:27:42 Speaker 423: it would also affect the amount
04:27:45 Speaker 423: of property taxes that we are
04:27:47 Speaker 423: paying to your municipalities on behalf
04:27:50 Speaker 423: of the units that we have.
04:27:52 Speaker 423: And again, I know it's a
04:27:54 Speaker 423: not the most exciting topic in
04:27:55 Speaker 423: the world. and I'm happy to
04:27:57 Speaker 424: take your questions. Okay, well, and
04:28:00 Speaker 424: we have it on the floor
04:28:01 Speaker 424: to receive for information, so we'll
04:28:03 Speaker 424: put it out there to see
04:28:04 Speaker 424: if there are council members that
04:28:06 Speaker 424: have questions or comments, and we'll
04:28:08 Speaker 424: begin with Councillor Debrine. Thank you,
04:28:09 Speaker 424: and through you, Warden. Thank you,
04:28:11 Speaker 424: Mayor Lou, and we in Southgate
04:28:12 Speaker 425: are receiving a similar letter from
04:28:14 Speaker 425: a community first housing group in
04:28:18 Speaker 425: Southgate, which we'll be updating. as
04:28:20 Speaker 425: a result of this conversation, realizing
04:28:22 Speaker 425: that the county sets the rates,
04:28:23 Speaker 425: and that there's some work involved
04:28:24 Speaker 426: in determining the implications of existing
04:28:29 Speaker 426: affordable units that would qualify and
04:28:31 Speaker 426: the cost associated, because it, the
04:28:33 Speaker 317: amount of dollars it just shifts
04:28:36 Speaker 317: to residential class. So, I understand
04:28:37 Speaker 317: that there would be work in.
04:28:39 Speaker 317: Would be work involved, and but
04:28:40 Speaker 317: I'm but I'm grateful that you
04:28:42 Speaker 317: clarified that it would apply to
04:28:44 Speaker 317: only those eligible units within a
04:28:46 Speaker 317: multi-residential. So that then there again,
04:28:48 Speaker 317: there's that much more calculations in
04:28:50 Speaker 317: this report through you, Warden. Do
04:28:52 Speaker 317: we need to provide direction that
04:28:55 Speaker 427: we're interested in getting that report
04:29:00 Speaker 427: and further through that process so
04:29:02 Speaker 428: that we. are in a position
04:29:04 Speaker 428: to make a decision as to
04:29:05 Speaker 428: whether or not we want to
04:29:06 Speaker 428: introduce this subclass. Like right now,
04:29:08 Speaker 428: we're only receiving for information. If
04:29:09 Speaker 428: council would like to provide staff
04:29:11 Speaker 429: with direction, that we would need
04:29:16 Speaker 429: to undertake some work. Yes. Okay,
04:29:17 Speaker 429: so we'll just finish our discussion
04:29:18 Speaker 144: and then. perhaps revisit that. We'll
04:29:22 Speaker 144: go to Councillor Greg. Thank you,
04:29:23 Speaker 144: Warden, for the opportunity to speak
04:29:25 Speaker 144: to this. Mary Lou, I've been
04:29:26 Speaker 144: jacked for this report all day.
04:29:29 Speaker 144: Don't sell yourself short. I'm excited.
04:29:32 Speaker 144: I I would actually have a
04:29:34 Speaker 144: subsequent motion to the effect that
04:29:39 Speaker 144: staff not pursue a tax subclass
04:29:40 Speaker 144: for a variety of reasons. Anyone,
04:29:41 Speaker 144: I'm going to enter into a
04:29:44 Speaker 144: debate in this subject. The first
04:29:46 Speaker 144: question. Baiting the subject. The first
04:29:47 Speaker 144: question I'm going to ask them
04:29:48 Speaker 430: is: Are the residents consuming any
04:29:52 Speaker 291: less services than any of the
04:29:56 Speaker 291: other residents around them? We all
04:29:59 Speaker 291: use the same services, and we're
04:30:02 Speaker 291: all asked to pay for them.
04:30:06 Speaker 291: This isn't like farmland that doesn't
04:30:09 Speaker 291: use policing, doesn't go to the
04:30:12 Speaker 291: library, doesn't skate in the ice
04:30:16 Speaker 291: rink, doesn't go to the park.
04:30:18 Speaker 291: It doesn't use any services, so
04:30:20 Speaker 291: there's less tax burden. This is
04:30:23 Speaker 291: a request to minimize the tax
04:30:25 Speaker 291: burden at a great expense. potentially
04:30:29 Speaker 291: to the other existing taxpayers across
04:30:33 Speaker 291: the county, those taxpayers across the
04:30:36 Speaker 291: county did not create the affordability
04:30:37 Speaker 291: crisis. This is something that's been
04:30:40 Speaker 291: building and needs support from higher
04:30:44 Speaker 291: levels of government. But it's unfair
04:30:52 Speaker 419: and not equitable to ask other
04:30:58 Speaker 419: taxpayers to assume the tax burden
04:30:59 Speaker 419: to facilitate this subclass. It's not
04:31:01 Speaker 419: fixing the problem of affordability; it's
04:31:02 Speaker 419: shifting it to 25 or 30
04:31:03 Speaker 50: year olds who are paying. Over
04:31:05 Speaker 50: thirty-year-olds who are paying eighteen hundred
04:31:06 Speaker 372: or two thousand dollars a month
04:31:15 Speaker 372: in an apartment, or forty percent
04:31:17 Speaker 431: or forty-five percent of their income,
04:31:23 Speaker 431: and asking them to pay more
04:31:25 Speaker 431: for the same services as everyone
04:31:26 Speaker 412: else is using. The last thing
04:31:29 Speaker 412: I would say, the easiest part
04:31:33 Speaker 412: of the tax calculation is the
04:31:36 Speaker 412: very last one, which is a
04:31:38 Speaker 412: simple calculation of the tax rate
04:31:41 Speaker 412: versus the assessed value, and the
04:31:43 Speaker 432: framework of the principle of property
04:31:50 Speaker 144: tax as it exists right now,
04:31:54 Speaker 144: is. those that have a higher
04:31:55 Speaker 433: ability to afford to pay more
04:31:59 Speaker 433: do, and it generally comes about
04:32:02 Speaker 433: from the higher assessed value on
04:32:03 Speaker 433: their property. Tax rate is the
04:32:05 Speaker 291: same against higher ability to pay,
04:32:08 Speaker 291: so they pay more. So there's
04:32:08 Speaker 291: already that built into the system,
04:32:12 Speaker 291: and I certainly don't support entertaining
04:32:20 Speaker 291: subclasses that are not going to
04:32:22 Speaker 291: be able to to solve the
04:32:24 Speaker 412: problem, and worse. And worsen affordability
04:32:27 Speaker 412: on other, particularly portions of the
04:32:31 Speaker 434: county, because I'm certainly aware of
04:32:35 Speaker 434: where most of the affordable housing
04:32:36 Speaker 434: would lay, and most of it
04:32:38 Speaker 435: is in the higher urban centres
04:32:40 Speaker 436: of Owen Sound and Hanover. Likely,
04:32:44 Speaker 436: you'd be contributing less to the
04:32:45 Speaker 436: county, and the other municipalities are
04:32:47 Speaker 436: all going to be absorbing that
04:32:48 Speaker 92: reduction from those that tax burden
04:32:52 Speaker 92: coming from those municipalities. So, those
04:32:54 Speaker 92: are my comments on it. I
04:32:57 Speaker 437: am certainly in support of. receiving
04:33:01 Speaker 412: for information, but I don't think
04:33:05 Speaker 412: I. I think I'd like to
04:33:08 Speaker 412: provide direction to staff that in
04:33:11 Speaker 412: the future, in the face of
04:33:14 Speaker 412: further requests that do come in,
04:33:17 Speaker 412: that we're not following up on
04:33:18 Speaker 412: this. There's a plethora of different
04:33:20 Speaker 412: items from the county, I don't,
04:33:22 Speaker 412: or from the province, I don't
04:33:24 Speaker 412: agree with. This is one of
04:33:27 Speaker 412: them. Highway 413, their position on
04:33:28 Speaker 412: speed cameras, bike lanes. The province
04:33:31 Speaker 412: isn't always right, and I think
04:33:38 Speaker 438: this is an indication of something
04:33:41 Speaker 438: they put in the budget that
04:33:42 Speaker 291: is there. but it should not
04:33:45 Speaker 291: be taken advantage of. Okay, thank
04:33:47 Speaker 291: you. So we, the main motion
04:33:50 Speaker 291: right now is that we're looking
04:33:52 Speaker 291: to receive for information. There was
04:33:55 Speaker 291: also some dialogueue that came from
04:33:56 Speaker 291: the previous councillor in terms of
04:34:02 Speaker 317: what what there might be in
04:34:05 Speaker 317: a next step. So we've heard
04:34:06 Speaker 317: a couple of opinions on that.
04:34:07 Speaker 317: So I will look around for
04:34:09 Speaker 439: other comments. We'll go to. I
04:34:15 Speaker 440: was going to say Councillor Nielsen
04:34:17 Speaker 440: because you're sitting in Councillor Nielsen's
04:34:20 Speaker 440: chair. Councillor Mackie, we'll go to
04:34:21 Speaker 440: you. I've had that hat on
04:34:24 Speaker 440: once, but a little bit trouble
04:34:26 Speaker 440: for that. I did. I just
04:34:32 Speaker 440: wanted to say that I agree
04:34:33 Speaker 440: with Councillor Greg, and if he
04:34:35 Speaker 50: is putting a motion on the
04:34:38 Speaker 50: floor, that I would second it.
04:34:41 Speaker 50: We cannot look at this any
04:34:44 Speaker 50: further. Thank you. Okay. Now, the
04:34:47 Speaker 50: way that we have the motion
04:34:51 Speaker 50: right now is just to receive
04:34:53 Speaker 50: for information. Right now. there would
04:34:54 Speaker 50: be no further action, just to
04:34:56 Speaker 50: receive for information. If there's a
04:34:58 Speaker 50: if there's an amendment to that
04:35:00 Speaker 50: main motion, then that may cause
04:35:03 Speaker 50: us to look at at
04:35:06 Speaker 50: other avenues. Okay, looking around the
04:35:08 Speaker 50: room for other discussion. Okay, so
04:35:12 Speaker 372: we are now. It looks like
04:35:18 Speaker 372: we've exhausted the hands on the
04:35:26 Speaker 372: discussion of the main motion. So
04:35:27 Speaker 144: I'll just follow through and say,
04:35:32 Speaker 144: is there an amendment to the
04:35:33 Speaker 144: main motion to propose? So we'll
04:35:34 Speaker 144: go to Councillor Dobrin. So we'll
04:35:36 Speaker 144: go to Councillor Dobrion. Thank you,
04:35:40 Speaker 144: Warden, and through you, appreciating that
04:35:42 Speaker 144: it will require work in providing
04:35:44 Speaker 144: the information, I still feel there
04:35:47 Speaker 144: is value to this table to
04:35:48 Speaker 144: understanding the impact that this request
04:35:50 Speaker 144: would have on our residents, whether
04:36:02 Speaker 144: or not it's introduced. I'm
04:36:12 Speaker 06: not in favour usually of of
04:36:16 Speaker 06: asking for work. that might not
04:36:21 Speaker 06: get supported, but in this
04:36:26 Speaker 06: case, we are all getting
04:36:35 Speaker 06: the requests to, and I
04:36:40 Speaker 06: think it's worth understanding what the
04:36:44 Speaker 06: financial implications would be on our
04:36:48 Speaker 06: our tax taxpayers. So I would
04:36:55 Speaker 06: like to put a motion
04:37:01 Speaker 06: for an amendment forward, and that
04:37:06 Speaker 06: a staff report come back to
04:37:11 Speaker 06: council outlining the. Financial
04:37:16 Speaker 06: implications of this subclass proposal.
04:37:23 Speaker 06: Okay, thank you. And Deputy Warden,
04:37:26 Speaker 06: are you seconding that? Okay, so
04:37:40 Speaker 06: it's moved and seconded. We're going
04:37:42 Speaker 06: to give the clerk a moment
04:37:43 Speaker 06: to put that up onto the
04:37:44 Speaker 06: screen, and then we'll make sure
04:37:46 Speaker 06: the wording is correct for you,
04:37:47 Speaker 06: Councillor Dobrin. And just before we
04:37:48 Speaker 06: visit that, we'll go to Mary
04:37:50 Speaker 144: Lou. Thank you, Madam Warden. And
04:37:53 Speaker 144: so, just for clarity, if we
04:40:32 Speaker 144: go ahead and we study this,
04:40:33 Speaker 144: if there is no bylaw passed
04:40:35 Speaker 144: by September 30th, there is no
04:40:37 Speaker 144: adoption of the subclass for 2026.
04:40:38 Speaker 144: So we'd be studying this in
04:40:39 Speaker 144: 2027, with the earliest adoption, if
04:40:40 Speaker 144: Council chose, would be 2027.
04:42:11 Speaker 144: Okay,
04:42:30 Speaker 144: so Councillor Debrine has been moved
04:42:31 Speaker 144: and seconded. Is there some clarification
04:42:39 Speaker 144: in the wording then that you
04:42:43 Speaker 144: wish? Or yes, thank you. Just
04:42:45 Speaker 441: to clarify that we would not
04:42:48 Speaker 441: be a report would not be
04:42:49 Speaker 441: coming back. The work would not
04:42:51 Speaker 441: be done until 2027 for 2027,
04:42:52 Speaker 441: or it would be done in
04:42:54 Speaker 441: 2026 for implementation. at the end
04:42:55 Speaker 441: of 2026 for 2027. Through Madam
04:42:57 Speaker 441: Warden, yes. So we would undertake
04:42:58 Speaker 441: work in 2026 to inform a
04:42:59 Speaker 441: decision that would either be made
04:43:02 Speaker 441: or, for information only, for 2027
04:43:03 Speaker 442: tax policy. Okay, thank you. So
04:43:06 Speaker 442: it's been moved and seconded. It's
04:43:07 Speaker 442: on the floor for discussion. We're
04:43:08 Speaker 442: just discussing discussing the amendment. we'll
04:43:10 Speaker 442: go to Councillor Greg. Thank you.
04:43:11 Speaker 442: Quick question to Mary Lou: Can
04:43:12 Speaker 442: you confirm yes or no that
04:43:14 Speaker 443: there's going to still be a
04:43:16 Speaker 20: subsequent reduction in the old multi-residential
04:43:19 Speaker 20: rate next year, as long as
04:43:21 Speaker 20: Council conforms to the trajectory that
04:43:24 Speaker 20: we had set? Through you, Madam
04:43:27 Speaker 20: Warden. So you're correct, Councillor Greg,
04:43:29 Speaker 20: that 2026 is the last year
04:43:37 Speaker 20: of the. proposed reduction to the
04:43:39 Speaker 20: original multi-res ratio, and as we've
04:43:40 Speaker 20: done with the the previous three
04:43:41 Speaker 20: reductions, we have worked in conjunction
04:43:42 Speaker 20: with the City of Owens Sound
04:43:44 Speaker 20: because we need to be in
04:43:46 Speaker 20: lockstep with the city. It would
04:43:48 Speaker 20: not serve any benefit if we
04:43:49 Speaker 20: implemented the reduction and Owens Sound
04:43:51 Speaker 20: did not, because again, where are
04:43:53 Speaker 20: the the bulk of the units?
04:43:56 Speaker 20: Okay, we'll go to Councillor Dobrin.
04:44:02 Speaker 20: Thank you, and I did note
04:44:05 Speaker 20: that I would like to modify
04:44:09 Speaker 20: the wording somewhat, just to clarify
04:44:12 Speaker 20: that this is a property subclass
04:44:15 Speaker 20: of up to 35%. It wouldn't
04:44:17 Speaker 20: mean that even if Council decided
04:44:19 Speaker 20: to pursue it, that it would
04:44:23 Speaker 20: have to be the full 35%.
04:44:25 Speaker 20: Correct? Okay, let me hear the
04:44:28 Speaker 20: response because I have to make
04:44:30 Speaker 20: sure. we're not doing anything that's
04:44:32 Speaker 20: substantive in the the motion that's
04:44:35 Speaker 20: been moved and seconded. Thank you,
04:44:37 Speaker 20: Madam Warden. Yes, the the way
04:44:39 Speaker 20: the proposal the subclass works is
04:44:42 Speaker 20: that a council could choose to
04:44:43 Speaker 20: make in a reduction of up
04:44:48 Speaker 20: to thirty five percent, and it
04:44:49 Speaker 20: would be the council's choice of
04:44:53 Speaker 20: what that percent was. Okay, so
04:44:55 Speaker 20: there's no need to make any
04:44:57 Speaker 20: clarification. in the motion. Okay. Any
04:44:59 Speaker 20: other discussion on the amendment? Okay.
04:45:02 Speaker 20: We're ready to call the the
04:45:04 Speaker 20: vote on the amendment. And it
04:45:08 Speaker 20: is where is the amendment card?
04:45:09 Speaker 20: So the amendment that we're voting
04:45:12 Speaker 20: on that has been moved and
04:45:14 Speaker 20: seconded is that the motion be
04:45:22 Speaker 20: amended. The main motion be amended
04:45:24 Speaker 444: by inserting a clause to request
04:45:26 Speaker 444: a staff report on financial impacts
04:45:27 Speaker 445: on implementation of. the new multi-residential
04:45:31 Speaker 445: property tax subclass, that's what we're
04:45:32 Speaker 20: voting on. All those in favour?
04:45:35 Speaker 20: Okay, hold your hands high, please,
04:45:37 Speaker 446: for me. Okay, and all those
04:45:40 Speaker 447: against? Okay. Okay, Madam Clerk, there's
04:45:42 Speaker 448: a request for a recorded vote.
04:45:45 Speaker 448: We will. Madam Clerk, I want
04:45:47 Speaker 448: to give you some time and
04:45:48 Speaker 448: space to set that up. So
04:45:50 Speaker 448: I'll declare a two-minute break before
04:45:51 Speaker 449: we call that vote. Oh, okay.
04:45:54 Speaker 450: Sorry, there's a new system in
04:45:58 Speaker 451: place. She's all set. We've got
04:46:01 Speaker 92: the go-ahead. Okay. All right. So,
04:46:06 Speaker 92: Madam Clerk, then if you are
04:46:11 Speaker 452: ready, then please call that recorded
04:46:14 Speaker 452: vote. Councillor Mackie. I didn't. Councillor
04:46:16 Speaker 92: MacEachie opposed. Councillor McKay is absent.
04:46:19 Speaker 92: Councillor Carleton, Councillor Carleton is in
04:46:21 Speaker 92: favour. Councillor Pringle opposed. Councillor McQueen
04:46:23 Speaker 92: opposed. Councillor Nielsen. Opposed. Opposed. Councillor
04:46:24 Speaker 92: Patterson. Opposed. Councillor Dickert. Opposed. Councillor
04:46:26 Speaker 92: Kentner. Sorry, that was in favour.
04:46:28 Speaker 92: Okay. Councillor Kentner is in favour.
04:46:29 Speaker 92: Councillor Kieveny. In favour. Councillor Body.
04:46:31 Speaker 92: Opposed. Councillor Gregg, opposed. Councillor Milne,
04:46:34 Speaker 92: in favour. Councillor Dobrine, in favour.
04:46:36 Speaker 92: Warden Matrasovs, in favour. In favour.
04:46:39 Speaker 92: Councillor Boardinghouse absent. Councillor Eccles, opposed.
04:46:40 Speaker 453: Councillor Hutchinson left at lunch. That
04:46:44 Speaker 453: moment. That motion lost forty nine
04:46:46 Speaker 453: thirty one. Okay, thank you. We
04:46:48 Speaker 453: actually have gone past break time,
04:46:49 Speaker 453: so I'm just going to call
04:46:51 Speaker 453: a two minute break. If we
04:46:53 Speaker 454: can just, if anybody needs a
04:46:55 Speaker 454: break, because we do have a
04:46:57 Speaker 454: number of items left to go
04:46:59 Speaker 455: on the agenda, and and then
04:47:01 Speaker 455: we'll reconvene. So two minutes will
04:47:03 Speaker 455: be. back on schedule. Okay, so
04:47:08 Speaker 455: that has been a brief break.
04:47:10 Speaker 455: I'm going to encourage our county
04:47:13 Speaker 455: council members to come back to
04:47:17 Speaker 455: their seats, and perhaps we can
04:47:20 Speaker 456: get somebody to round up others
04:47:26 Speaker 456: who may have left the room.
04:47:28 Speaker 456: All right. So I think we
04:47:29 Speaker 456: looks like we're getting a quorum
04:47:32 Speaker 457: of everyone seated. Okay. and Senior
04:47:34 Speaker 457: Manager Whitney, I know you're all
04:47:36 Speaker 457: excited about getting up, but hold
04:47:39 Speaker 457: on a second. I am going
04:47:40 Speaker 457: to put six B in front
04:47:43 Speaker 457: of you because yours is related
04:47:45 Speaker 457: to us going into closed session.
04:47:48 Speaker 457: So it makes for the flow
04:47:51 Speaker 457: of things. The clerk and I
04:47:52 Speaker 457: discussed that it's better that we
04:47:53 Speaker 457: take care of a brief. I
04:47:55 Speaker 457: understand there's just a brief question
04:47:57 Speaker 457: on item six B, which was
04:47:58 Speaker 458: pulled from the consent agenda. So
04:48:02 Speaker 92: it's okay. Just relax. I've got
04:48:07 Speaker 92: my eye on you. I know.
04:48:09 Speaker 92: I know you're heading our way.
04:48:12 Speaker 92: Okay, so we're going to return
04:48:14 Speaker 92: to the one item that was
04:48:16 Speaker 92: pulled from the consent, which is
04:48:18 Speaker 92: item six B, and it was.
04:48:22 Speaker 92: It is recommended that PDR CW
04:48:24 Speaker 92: fifty three twenty five be received,
04:48:26 Speaker 92: and that the application for
04:48:29 Speaker 39: minor exemption under the County Forest
04:48:34 Speaker 39: Management Bylaw, one lot one ninety
04:48:38 Speaker 39: six concession one ESTR. Oh. Oh.
04:48:39 Speaker 39: thank you. Okay, sorry. Yeah, because
04:48:42 Speaker 39: we called the break in between
04:48:43 Speaker 39: the amendment and the main motion,
04:48:46 Speaker 39: we do need to go back
04:48:49 Speaker 39: to that main motion. So just
04:48:54 Speaker 39: before we get to six B,
04:48:58 Speaker 39: I'll stop there, and we do
04:49:01 Speaker 39: have the main motion still to
04:49:02 Speaker 39: take care of that we stopped
04:49:05 Speaker 39: short of just before our break,
04:49:07 Speaker 39: and the main motion on. Make
04:49:11 Speaker 459: sure this is all clear. The
04:49:14 Speaker 20: main motion for seven F is
04:49:17 Speaker 20: that. 7F is that the report
04:49:20 Speaker 20: FRCW 1725 new multi-residential property tax
04:49:22 Speaker 20: class a subclass options and considerations
04:49:26 Speaker 20: be received for information? That is
04:49:28 Speaker 20: what we are voting on. Any
04:49:30 Speaker 20: further discussion on receiving for information?
04:49:32 Speaker 20: All those in favour? And that
04:49:34 Speaker 20: motion is carried. Thank you. Okay,
04:49:37 Speaker 20: so thank you very much for
04:49:39 Speaker 20: everyone's guidance in that. We'll
04:49:41 Speaker 20: return back to 6B then. It's.
04:49:43 Speaker 460: Six B. Then, it's recommended that
04:49:48 Speaker 460: report PDR CW fifty three
04:49:51 Speaker 460: twenty five be received, and that
04:49:52 Speaker 144: the application for minor exemption under
04:49:55 Speaker 144: the County Forest Management Bylaw for
04:49:57 Speaker 144: Lot one ninety six Concession one
04:50:06 Speaker 144: ESTR Geographic Township of Artemisia, now
04:50:07 Speaker 144: in the Municipality of Grey Highlands,
04:50:09 Speaker 144: municipally known as seven seven three
04:50:11 Speaker 461: zero nine three Highway ten B,
04:50:13 Speaker 461: approved. May I ask for a
04:50:15 Speaker 461: mover and a seconder? Moved by
04:50:18 Speaker 461: Councillor Pringle. Seconded. Pringle, seconder, seconded
04:50:19 Speaker 461: by Councillor Mackey. It's on the
04:50:22 Speaker 461: floor for discussion, and we'll bring
04:50:23 Speaker 461: up Sarah Johnson is all ready
04:50:26 Speaker 461: to make her her presentation, and
04:50:29 Speaker 461: then we will go to the
04:50:30 Speaker 461: questions for which it was pulled.
04:50:31 Speaker 461: Thank you. Thank you. I actually
04:50:35 Speaker 461: don't have a formal presentation prepared,
04:50:37 Speaker 461: but I'm willing or ready to
04:50:39 Speaker 461: take any questions that there may
04:50:42 Speaker 461: be. Oh, okay, all right. So
04:50:45 Speaker 462: she is here as a resource
04:50:47 Speaker 462: to answer any questions. So, Councillor
04:50:49 Speaker 462: Greg, you requested this be pulled.
04:50:50 Speaker 462: Thank you for the opportunity, Madam
04:50:51 Speaker 462: Warden. The question is, Sarah, having
04:50:54 Speaker 463: sat many years in the Conservation
04:50:56 Speaker 464: Authority and being able to see
04:51:00 Speaker 464: some of the the tree planting
04:51:02 Speaker 464: programmemes that are in place, some
04:51:04 Speaker 464: of them are taxpayer funded. This
04:51:06 Speaker 464: has the appearance of a plantation,
04:51:07 Speaker 464: an intensive An intentional plantation. I
04:51:09 Speaker 464: just wonder: is there anything currently
04:51:11 Speaker 464: in place that safeguards if taxpayer-funded
04:51:13 Speaker 464: programmemes were utilised for certain properties?
04:51:14 Speaker 464: Are they protected for a number
04:51:17 Speaker 464: of years against just being plowed
04:51:20 Speaker 464: under, so so to speak? Or
04:51:22 Speaker 464: is that something that doesn't exist?
04:51:25 Speaker 464: However, it's something that we might
04:51:28 Speaker 464: be contemplating when we're looking at
04:51:29 Speaker 464: new tree bylaw and update. Bylaw
04:51:31 Speaker 464: and updates, because that's the one
04:51:34 Speaker 464: concern I have here. Is it
04:51:35 Speaker 464: kind of looks like a youthful
04:51:37 Speaker 464: new planning, and I think it
04:51:40 Speaker 464: it could be frustrating to see
04:51:42 Speaker 464: taxpayer dollars expended on programmemes only
04:51:43 Speaker 464: to see them pout under a
04:51:45 Speaker 464: couple years after. Through you, Warden,
04:51:48 Speaker 464: I did have an opportunity this
04:51:51 Speaker 464: morning to reach out to Soggying
04:51:54 Speaker 465: Valley because it's their watershed that
04:51:59 Speaker 465: it's in, and I spoke with
04:52:00 Speaker 465: Donna Lacy about this property in
04:52:02 Speaker 466: particular. CA did plant this property,
04:52:05 Speaker 466: but they have no record indicating
04:52:05 Speaker 466: that they used a funding programme
04:52:07 Speaker 467: in order to do that. That
04:52:12 Speaker 468: said, within the bylaw itself, there's
04:52:15 Speaker 469: no mechanism that restricts a landowner
04:52:18 Speaker 469: should they purchase property to prevent
04:52:19 Speaker 469: them from doing what you have
04:52:20 Speaker 469: have indicated, plowing under a previously
04:52:23 Speaker 469: planted woodland that has been used
04:52:30 Speaker 469: through those kind of funding programmemes.
04:52:32 Speaker 469: Oh, so sorry, and and just
04:52:33 Speaker 469: to add on that, the new
04:52:34 Speaker 469: bylaw itself, we're looking into ways
04:52:36 Speaker 469: as to how we can protect
04:52:37 Speaker 469: these properties a little bit better.
04:52:39 Speaker 469: But as we know, we haven't
04:52:41 Speaker 469: got that that far yet. But
04:52:43 Speaker 469: we are looking into ways that
04:52:45 Speaker 470: we can manage those properties. There
04:52:48 Speaker 470: are checks and balances, specifically when
04:52:50 Speaker 471: people are doing harvesting applications, that
04:52:54 Speaker 471: they have to indicate that you
04:52:56 Speaker 472: know they're part of the MFT.
04:53:01 Speaker 472: Indicate that you know they're part
04:53:03 Speaker 472: of the MIFTIP programme or that
04:53:04 Speaker 472: sort of thing. So there are
04:53:06 Speaker 472: there are opportunities within the bio
04:53:07 Speaker 472: update for us to look into
04:53:09 Speaker 473: things like that. I appreciate hearing
04:53:13 Speaker 62: that. That's great feedback that you're
04:53:16 Speaker 62: still looking or potentially looking into
04:53:17 Speaker 62: that. Yeah, I know the managed
04:53:22 Speaker 62: forest programmemes are in place, but
04:53:24 Speaker 474: is you know this could be
04:53:29 Speaker 475: something like if you purchased a
04:53:32 Speaker 419: heritage building, it comes with certain.
04:53:36 Speaker 419: expectations on the purchaser, so it's
04:53:42 Speaker 419: just good to know that staff
04:53:43 Speaker 419: are are evaluating the potential considerations
04:53:44 Speaker 419: there. Thanks. Okay. Any other questions
04:53:46 Speaker 419: for our coordinator? Okay. Not seeing
04:53:48 Speaker 476: any, then we'll call the question.
04:53:51 Speaker 476: All those in favour, and that
04:53:53 Speaker 477: motion is carried. Thank you very
04:53:58 Speaker 477: much for providing that information. Okay.
04:53:59 Speaker 249: That allows us now. Get ready,
04:54:03 Speaker 249: Eric. Get ready. Here it comes.
04:54:04 Speaker 478: Okay, so we are on our
04:54:07 Speaker 479: last item for open, seven G,
04:54:09 Speaker 480: and we may or may not
04:54:14 Speaker 480: need to go into closed for
04:54:16 Speaker 480: this particular item only if council
04:54:17 Speaker 481: members wish that they need some
04:54:20 Speaker 482: solicitor client privilege information, advice. So
04:54:24 Speaker 482: with that, then I'll recommend. It's
04:54:25 Speaker 482: recommended that report CSR C W.
04:54:27 Speaker 482: Report CSRCW 1925 regarding roof repairs
04:54:34 Speaker 482: for the roofing system at the
04:54:35 Speaker 482: Gray County Administration Building be received,
04:54:37 Speaker 482: and that the County of Gray
04:54:38 Speaker 482: utilised Garland Canada to complete the
04:54:40 Speaker 144: roof repairs, and that the unbudgeted
04:54:44 Speaker 144: funding for roof repairs be taken
04:54:45 Speaker 144: from any surplus realized in the
04:54:47 Speaker 144: 2025 property budget, and the remaining
04:54:48 Speaker 144: funds be transferred from the Administration
04:54:50 Speaker 144: Properties Reserve. Do we have a
04:54:55 Speaker 144: mover for that? Okay. Moved by
04:54:56 Speaker 144: Councillor Carleton, seconded by Councillor DeBree.
04:54:58 Speaker 144: Thank you. It's moved and seconded.
04:55:00 Speaker 144: It's on the floor. Thank you
04:55:01 Speaker 144: very much, Senior Manager Whitney. And
04:55:04 Speaker 144: the floor is yours. I'm just
04:55:06 Speaker 144: going to give a quick background
04:55:08 Speaker 144: on the roof. Basically, the roof
04:55:11 Speaker 144: on the existing part of the
04:55:13 Speaker 144: building was done in 2017 as
04:55:14 Speaker 144: part of the renovation. we hired
04:55:16 Speaker 144: consultant Gardland Canada to come in
04:55:19 Speaker 144: and oversee the work that was
04:55:22 Speaker 144: being done. They specified their
04:55:25 Speaker 144: products, and then we go out
04:55:27 Speaker 144: to tender to get a contractor
04:55:31 Speaker 144: to complete the work. Last fall,
04:55:33 Speaker 144: we had a leak in one
04:55:35 Speaker 144: of our washrooms on the second
04:55:38 Speaker 144: floor. Upon further investigation, we found
04:55:39 Speaker 144: a small leak in the BearVault
04:55:41 Speaker 144: systems.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: We also noted that part of the flat roof was spongy and soft.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: We then had Garland Canada back in, and they did some probing and some thermal scan.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: So they go in at night and do a thermal scan, and we found that four thousand square feet of roof is wet.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: So we had Polard come in.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: They fixed the one leak.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: We haven't had any leaks since.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: So there is just wet insulation right now that we need to remove and add a new membrane to it.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: We did have a third party come in.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: We had DJ Pete, who is now Ned Law, and they came up with some potential causes.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: The mechanical curbs are too low.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: There's not enough roof trains and ram bearing terminations.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: That mechanical curbs are deficient.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: So we had them do up a quote for us.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: They are projecting two hundred ten thousand dollars for a roof replacement.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: If we went with them, it would void our warranty with Garland.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: So we are recommending that we get.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: Garland to do the specs, the drawings, tender it out, and have them do it, as that would keep the warranty going on the whole entire roof.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: So I'm happy to answer any questions regarding the existing leak or any issues.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: Okay, thank you.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: So we've got questions.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: We'll begin with the deputy warden.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: Thank you, warden.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: And I guess I'm having a little bit of trouble connecting the dots here.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: Uh, was As was earlier noticed, what would be the point of worrying about voiding the warranty if the warranty doesn't cover the work that is going to be is being proposed here now?
04:55:41 Speaker 144: Can you help me with that, please?
04:55:41 Speaker 144: So that's two options that I mean we have on the table right now.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: I mean we can go with Garland.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: We you we can go to a different company.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: and not have the warranty.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: Now they would provide a warranty on their work for ten years, but we would void the warranty on the twenty-five years on the existing the the existing portion of the other roof.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: I guess is my answer.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: And there is some legal stuff involved in that.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: So, okay.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: So be careful because anything further than that, we would need to go into closed session to pursue.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: To close session to pursue that, I'll look to see if there are any other questions.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: We'll go to Councillor Dobrin.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: Thank you, and and I too had a similar question because the report says that it's not covered under warranty, but that if we choose anyone other than them, it will avoid the warranty.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: That it's not covered under.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: But the motion.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: Okay, I'm just gonna go over to the CAO first, and Aaron can correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I think it's it would potentially avoid the warranty on the remaining portions of the roof, so the other portions that we have currently under warranty with with Garland.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: Okay, so I'll put it out if there are other questions, and we'll.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: Decide whether or not we need to go into closed session, Councillor McQueen.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: We can, Madam Warden, a couple questions.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: What does the warranty actually say?
04:55:41 Speaker 144: One.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: And obviously there was a leak, and they fixed it.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: Did they do that repair gratis because of the warranty?
04:55:41 Speaker 144: But if the warranty, okay, maybe I'll stop there and come back.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: But what what does the warranty say?
04:55:41 Speaker 144: Right.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: Okay.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: I think at this point, in order for us to have full details, it would be best that we carry on this conversation in closed session.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: So, with that, then, Madam Clerk, if we go into closed session, we can entertain both items and then come back out to this as an open question, open session question.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: Okay.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: So, let's, in order for staff to be able to provide full answers, let us recommend that the committee.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: I recommend that the committee, the whole, does now go into closed session pursuant to section 239.2 of the Municipal Act, 2001, as amended, to discuss number one, a proposed or pending acquisition or disposition of land by the municipality or local board, and this is potential land exchanges with the Township of Southgate, and number two, advice subject to solicitor-client privilege, if as it's required, about regarding the Grey County Administration Building roof repair.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: May I ask remover?
04:55:41 Speaker 144: May ask for mover, Councillor Green moves, and Councillor Mackey seconds to go into closed session.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: Any discussion?
04:55:41 Speaker 144: All those in favour?
04:55:41 Speaker 144: That is carried.
04:55:41 Speaker 144: So we'll take a moment to go into closed session, and then we will carry.
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