Owen-sound-police Police-board Meeting Transcript — May 27, 2026

00:02:05 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Good morning, everyone.

00:02:06 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's Wednesday, May the twenty-seventh, two thousand and twenty-six, nine a.m.

00:02:10 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: And this is the public session agenda for the Owen Sound Police Service Board.

00:02:16 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: This time, I'd like to call the meeting to order,

00:02:18 SPEAKER_003: and I'd like to respectfully acknowledge that we are meeting on the traditional lands of the First Nations that have been inhabited by Indigenous peoples from the beginning.

00:02:26 SPEAKER_003: In particular, I acknowledge the history, spirituality, and culture of the territory of the Anishinaabeg Nation, peoples of the Three Fires, known as the Ojibwe, the Odawa, and Potawatomi Nations,

00:02:37 SPEAKER_003: and further give thanks to the Chipewyan of Sagan Lake, the Chipewyan of Naish, known collectively as the Sagan Lake Cree Nation, as the traditional keepers of this land.

00:02:47 SPEAKER_003: We recognize and deeply appreciate their historic connection to this area as well as the contributions of the Métis.

00:02:51 SPEAKER_003: As well as the contributions of the Māori and other Indigenous peoples whose ancestors shared these lands and waters,

00:02:58 SPEAKER_003: may we live with respect for each other on this land and live in peace and friendship with all these diverse peoples.

00:03:19 SPEAKER_003: Carol, you had an item that you wanted to add to the agenda.

00:03:25 SPEAKER_003: Chair, I'd like to have a discussion about taxis and wheelchair accessibility.

00:03:31 SPEAKER_003: That's okay.

00:03:32 SPEAKER_003: We can add that under, I guess, item 1.

00:03:35 SPEAKER_003: I was going to ask the same thing, but I thought there was something on here on the agenda that related.

00:03:41 SPEAKER_003: This was just a new tax.

00:03:43 SPEAKER_003: It was an association for that.

00:03:44 SPEAKER_003: Yeah, that's that sort of separate.

00:03:48 SPEAKER_003: Okay, with that.

00:03:49 SPEAKER_003: Adam, I call for the motion.

00:03:51 SPEAKER_003: Mary, thank you.

00:03:53 SPEAKER_003: Carol, second.

00:03:54 SPEAKER_003: I see.

00:03:55 SPEAKER_003: Order, may I?

00:03:56 SPEAKER_003: All in favour?

00:03:56 SPEAKER_003: Carried.

00:03:56 SPEAKER_003: Declaration of conflict of interest arising out of the minutes and matters listed on the agenda.

00:04:02 SPEAKER_003: Hearing none.

00:04:06 SPEAKER_003: We don't have any presentations, deputations, or public questions.

00:04:10 SPEAKER_003: Motion for the confirmation of the public session held April twenty-second.

00:04:14 SPEAKER_003: Thank you, Brian.

00:04:16 SPEAKER_003: Seconded by Mary.

00:04:17 SPEAKER_003: Second, your move.

00:04:18 SPEAKER_003: Thank you.

00:04:18 SPEAKER_003: All in favour?

00:04:19 SPEAKER_003: Carried.

00:04:21 SPEAKER_003: Any business arising in this session?

00:04:23 SPEAKER_003: Minutes.

00:04:26 SPEAKER_003: Hearing done.

00:04:28 SPEAKER_003: Correspondence in your board packages.

00:04:31 SPEAKER_003: There was an email that was addressed to Chief Ambrose, and the subject line of that was "Safety for our community."

00:04:40 SPEAKER_003: I don't know whether there's any discussion on it now, but if there is, why don't we save that till later?

00:04:46 SPEAKER_003: Save that for later.

00:04:46 SPEAKER_003: Item 16A, where we talk about the nuisance bylaw.

00:04:51 SPEAKER_003: That's all.

00:04:51 SPEAKER_003: I just had one question regarding the email.

00:04:53 SPEAKER_003: Did it also go to council?

00:04:55 SPEAKER_003: I didn't see.

00:04:57 SPEAKER_003: Oh yeah, council at 8:07.

00:05:00 SPEAKER_003: Yeah.

00:05:00 SPEAKER_003: Seeing that, yeah.

00:05:03 SPEAKER_003: Do you remember seeing it?

00:05:05 SPEAKER_003: Okay, I must have missed it.

00:05:08 SPEAKER_003: Okay, that's fine.

00:05:08 SPEAKER_003: It wasn't in correspondence.

00:05:10 SPEAKER_003: The last council meeting on Monday.

00:05:12 SPEAKER_003: No, and it should have been May thirteenth.

00:05:17 SPEAKER_003: Yeah.

00:05:24 SPEAKER_003: Right.

00:05:24 SPEAKER_003: Moving on to chairman's report.

00:05:29 SPEAKER_003: I attended the Zoom meeting of the OSPSB Board of Directors on April thirtieth.

00:05:35 SPEAKER_003: That was our first meeting with the PGO, Police Governor of Ontario, and some of the highlights in that meeting where we received an unqualified audit or clean audit report from our auditors.

00:05:46 SPEAKER_003: The transfer payment agreement from the Soldier's Office.

00:05:50 SPEAKER_003: This agreement was used to develop training courses, materials for police forces, police units, police teams, and police agents' boards across the jail.

00:05:58 SPEAKER_003: That will be over the next three years.

00:06:01 SPEAKER_003: New agreement has been developed among PGO, PAO, and OACP for the annual employment conference in February of 2027.

00:06:09 SPEAKER_003: The new PGO website is up and running.

00:06:12 SPEAKER_003: And it's much improved over the other ones.

00:06:14 SPEAKER_003: If you had a chance to look at it, you'll need to re-register on the website.

00:06:18 SPEAKER_003: Unfortunately, they couldn't pull email addresses and passwords across.

00:06:22 SPEAKER_003: You can use the same ones because it doesn't know that you ever existed before, technically.

00:06:27 SPEAKER_003: And there's a process that it goes through to approve your application.

00:06:33 SPEAKER_003: It should be almost instantaneous.

00:06:37 SPEAKER_003: You probably won't get it; it'll go to your spam or your junk mail.

00:06:42 SPEAKER_003: We found that they found that there's a lot of—I I know I just happened to sign on,

00:06:46 SPEAKER_003: I could get on and then I was doing my weekly bi-weekly check of my spam and there was my confirmation email.

00:06:52 SPEAKER_003: So if you don't get it right away, it's sitting in your junk mail, and it will give you the authorizations to get into it there.

00:07:07 SPEAKER_003: As you'll probably remember, Chief Ambrose and Deputy Chief Bishop were awarded the Member of the Order of Meritorious Police Forces.

00:07:13 SPEAKER_003: They received their appointment letters back on November 15th, 2024.

00:07:19 SPEAKER_003: So on May 14th, 2026, a formal investiture ceremony was held at Rideau Hall, where Mike Duhamel, the Commissioner of the RCMP, and the Honourable Mary Simon, of the Governor General of Canada,

00:07:33 SPEAKER_003: presented the medals to Chief Ambrose and Deputy Chief.

00:07:35 SPEAKER_003: After which, the attendees attended a luncheon at Rideau Hall in their honour.

00:07:40 SPEAKER_003: Once again, I would congratulate you guys for the work you've done and this coveted medal.

00:07:46 SPEAKER_003: So thanks, fans.

00:07:48 SPEAKER_003: Appreciate it.

00:07:48 SPEAKER_003: Thank you.

00:07:50 SPEAKER_003: All right, moving on to one other thing.

00:07:53 SPEAKER_003: There is a Zone Five meeting on June 9th.

00:07:56 SPEAKER_003: I'm not sure if anyone's going to that.

00:07:58 SPEAKER_003: It's at the Clinton Community Centre.

00:08:04 SPEAKER_003: You received an email from Joanne.

00:08:09 SPEAKER_003: Yes.

00:08:09 SPEAKER_003: Yeah.

00:08:10 SPEAKER_003: So all the details were in.

00:08:11 SPEAKER_003: Okay.

00:08:13 SPEAKER_003: Okay.

00:08:15 SPEAKER_003: Moving on to governance.

00:08:21 SPEAKER_003: On April 23rd, 2026, the Ontario Inspector General of Policing, Ryan Trishner, announced the appointment of the Honourable William Horgan as the External Inspector for the province-wide inspection on police integrity and anti-corruption practices.

00:08:37 SPEAKER_003: Mr. Horgan previously served as a former judge and senior litigator.

00:08:40 SPEAKER_003: He has also served on the Court of Appeal for Ontario from 2013 until his retirement in 2025.

00:08:45 SPEAKER_003: He was previously a justice of the Ontario's, to which he was appointed in 2009, and he's also led major inquiry statutory reviews.

00:08:57 SPEAKER_003: First announced in February 2026, as a result of Project South, the province-wide inspection will examine the adequacy and effectiveness of police services, including the OPP and police service boards.

00:09:10 SPEAKER_003: The inspection will focus on system-level practices for preventing, detecting, responding to, and fortifying organisations against corruption, but not on individual conduct.

00:09:23 SPEAKER_003: Inspector General Trishner noted that the inspection is the first of its kind in Canada, both in its scale and its focus on system-wide policy integrity and anti-corruption.

00:09:31 SPEAKER_003: The inspector determined it was necessary to appoint an external inspector with experience leading large-scale independent public investigations and inquiries to ensure this work is conducted with focus and regulatory fire in a manner that maintains

00:09:44 SPEAKER_003: the public trust.

00:09:46 SPEAKER_003: That's all I have for governance.

00:09:50 SPEAKER_003: Moving on to the operational reports.

00:09:52 SPEAKER_003: Thank you, Chair.

00:09:57 SPEAKER_003: So starting with the Criminal Investigations Branch.

00:09:59 SPEAKER_003: In April, members of the Criminal Investigations Branch presented on human trafficking, as well as the Chichimec, to the crew members in preparation for Point 26 sailing season.

00:10:13 SPEAKER_003: This presentation enabled staff to recognize signs of passengers who may be victims of human trafficking.

00:10:20 SPEAKER_014: Detectives were also consulted to review and provide feedback on a newly created human trafficking training, which is being implemented by the Alaskan Transportation Company.

00:10:30 SPEAKER_014: It's a mandatory training for all staff of the Tichimán as well as the Paíle Island areas.

00:10:37 SPEAKER_014: All staff members have to complete it, so our members were able to provide that and provide input towards it.

00:10:43 SPEAKER_014: Members spend a considerable amount of time in the course regarding ongoing trials and doing victim prep for future trials.

00:10:53 SPEAKER_014: The unit wrote four search warrants during April for evidence of offenses of fraud and also a drug trafficking investigation.

00:11:05 SPEAKER_014: The drug unit delivered a drug and firearms-related presentation to members of Bruce Grey Child and Family Services,

00:11:11 SPEAKER_014: with the goal being that these people are involved in high-risk environments sometimes in the course of their duties as well.

00:11:19 SPEAKER_014: So, giving some training in regards to recognition of risks while they're out in the community as well.

00:11:28 SPEAKER_014: The mental health crisis response team responded to five officer repatrials in April.

00:11:34 SPEAKER_014: They conducted follow-ups with six individuals, and they provided priority incident response at 25 incidents during April.

00:11:45 SPEAKER_014: As of April 30th, there are zero deaths from suspected drug overdoses in the city for the year, and there are currently no outstanding missing people.

00:11:57 SPEAKER_014: Moving on to bail compliance and warrant apprehension unit (BCWA), they laid two criminal charges in April and executed 16 arrest warrants.

00:12:08 SPEAKER_014: They also did compliance checks as well as sex offender compliance checks, a couple of those as well.

00:12:17 SPEAKER_014: In addition, they assisted CIB with an assault investigation, which involved a person who was assaulted, requiring surgery.

00:12:25 SPEAKER_014: That investigation is continuing, as well as participated in a multi-jurisdictional theft investigation.

00:12:36 SPEAKER_014: Persons responsible in that were arrested and charged by law enforcement; man in custody.

00:12:43 SPEAKER_014: The Community-Oriented Response and Enforcement unit, the core unit, conducted 57 hours of foot patrol in April, as well as laid six Criminal Code and CDSA charges.

00:12:57 SPEAKER_014: In addition to those activities, the coordinating also conducted two station tours for rural Highlands as well as a Capilano back school.

00:13:07 SPEAKER_014: Continuing to engage with members of the community who are experiencing homelessness.

00:13:14 SPEAKER_014: Moving on to the Auxiliary unit, our auxiliary unit contributed a total of 168 volunteer hours in April.

00:13:21 SPEAKER_014: Most notably, a member of the auxiliary unit was volunteered to assist in our regular block training for Immediate Rapid Deployment Training, which is what you may recognize as active shooter training.

00:13:37 SPEAKER_014: So they were used as an actor for that training scenario over a period of two and a half weeks, and that member contributed 17 and a half hours themselves doing that.

00:13:52 SPEAKER_014: Frontline report for frontline officers and collisions.

00:13:58 SPEAKER_014: There were 88 traffic charges laid in the month of April, as well as 130 Criminal Code offenses, which is relatively consistent year over year.

00:14:08 SPEAKER_014: There were 36 warrants executed by frontline members.

00:14:14 SPEAKER_014: A total of 97 and a half hours of foot patrol were conducted by platoon officers, as well as an additional 15 by members of our part-time officers.

00:14:25 SPEAKER_014: And our part-time officers spent a total of 225 hours in April doing court security.

00:14:34 SPEAKER_014: Ride statistics: there were 12 rides conducted in April, involving a total of 24 officers.

00:14:40 SPEAKER_014: There were 263 drivers checked in those ride programmes, and 22 roadside breath tests administered, and there were three impaired drivers charged over the month of April, and one seven-day licence suspension for a warrant issued.

00:15:00 SPEAKER_014: Collisions: there were 39 total collisions in April, 19 of which were referred to the Collision Reporting Centre, and 20 were investigated by members of the police service.

00:15:15 SPEAKER_014: The report from Community Services Officer.

00:15:22 SPEAKER_014: They conducted regular corporate and social media activities, including frauds and scams, bike patrol hiring campaign, as well as some other posts.

00:15:34 SPEAKER_014: There were some community engagement events, notably a Wheel and Ride meeting with Kiwanis, Grey Bruce Local Immigration Partnership, Youth and Policing Initiatives, as well as some others.

00:15:47 SPEAKER_014: There was also some community and school engagement and presentations.

00:15:51 SPEAKER_014: Abidra at Notre Dame presentation to active lifestyles, and presentation to Lee Manor Day Away programme for phone scams and door-to-door canvassing awareness.

00:16:05 SPEAKER_016: Sorry, just can ask about the scams that are going on right now with the survey.

00:16:11 SPEAKER_016: Do we know what they're driving at, or looking for information to support?

00:16:15 SPEAKER_016: No, I think our community service officers got some calls yesterday with people inquiring about our survey.

00:16:21 SPEAKER_016: We don't know exactly what the nature of the calls are.

00:16:24 SPEAKER_016: Put that out because no notification that people were calling and asking about it.

00:16:32 SPEAKER_016: Most obviously, wasn't something that we had put together.

00:16:35 SPEAKER_016: Not until December.

00:16:36 SPEAKER_016: We're not aware of the city doing any outreach for that area.

00:16:41 SPEAKER_016: So they should please consult.

00:16:44 SPEAKER_016: One thing I will say is that the Wheel and Ride event is this Saturday.

00:16:47 SPEAKER_016: Saturday, Saturday downtown.

00:16:51 SPEAKER_016: So big event downtown area.

00:16:56 SPEAKER_016: Bicycles and helmets and things for kids that need it.

00:16:59 SPEAKER_016: That's in the parking lot behind City Hall.

00:17:02 SPEAKER_006: No, the radio announced Second and Third Avenue across across the... so I said, "Well, yeah, like on Eighth Street.

00:17:10 SPEAKER_006: It's on Eighth Street between Second and Third Avenue East."

00:17:14 SPEAKER_006: Okay, and be sure to come by Kwanza's Tenth for a burger or a hot dog.

00:17:18 SPEAKER_006: Really close, Eighth Street, yeah, that portion.

00:17:21 SPEAKER_006: Yeah, yeah.

00:17:26 SPEAKER_006: We have sixty bikes to give away.

00:17:29 SPEAKER_006: Very nice.

00:17:29 SPEAKER_006: Wow, yeah, and helmets.

00:17:31 SPEAKER_006: It's a lot."

00:17:36 SPEAKER_006: Great.

00:17:37 SPEAKER_006: Moving on to the training report, our newest constable completed her four-week post-OPC training programme and is now on the road, partnered with her coach officer.

00:17:49 SPEAKER_014: And all members completed our spring block training, with Day One being refuels on firearms and carbine rifles, and Day Two being immediate rapid deployment.

00:17:59 SPEAKER_014: As I mentioned, so all officers have been retrained in that area.

00:18:06 SPEAKER_014: Those are the reports.

00:18:08 SPEAKER_014: Thank you, Inspector.

00:18:10 SPEAKER_014: Well, actually, I should just add: I'll do a supplementary report.

00:18:13 SPEAKER_014: We discuss the banning of Bitcoin ATM machines, and I noticed in the spring economic update, their the nations would simply ban them entirely.

00:18:23 SPEAKER_014: So, I'll compile that information.

00:18:25 SPEAKER_014: So you have it.

00:18:26 SPEAKER_014: Britain, England has already done it.

00:18:28 SPEAKER_014: Yeah.

00:18:28 SPEAKER_014: Okay.

00:18:29 SPEAKER_014: I found that to be interesting.

00:18:30 SPEAKER_014: That head of the group on that one.

00:18:31 SPEAKER_014: So.

00:18:31 SPEAKER_014: Out of the groove on that one.

00:18:34 SPEAKER_014: Anyways, moving on to administrative reports.

00:18:38 SPEAKER_014: Reports for Chris.

00:18:40 SPEAKER_014: Bulk record searches are up.

00:18:44 SPEAKER_017: They're up six point seven or six point seven percent year to date, and actually ten point six over last month.

00:18:50 SPEAKER_017: So, combination of last year, we were down a few on the cell block monitors.

00:18:56 SPEAKER_017: We fewer people doing them, and the actual requests dropped.

00:19:00 SPEAKER_017: Actual requests drop down, so we're starting to see an increase in both.

00:19:03 SPEAKER_017: So we've got some extra people in place now and trained, and we are starting to see a pickup in the requests that are in the queue for them to do.

00:19:12 SPEAKER_017: You'll see warrants and persons charged are both up substantially over the month before.

00:19:17 SPEAKER_017: Some of that would be seasonal.

00:19:19 SPEAKER_017: We've seen increases during the summer, and the persons charged down ten point six percent year to date.

00:19:27 SPEAKER_017: We don't have the data for you yet on what... so as you recall, the pre-charge consultation process just came into place a couple of months ago.

00:19:36 SPEAKER_017: We're starting to gather data on what that looks like in terms of it.

00:19:39 SPEAKER_017: I think you're going to see that the reduction number is likely at least partially due to that process, where the arrests are being made, but the charges aren't being laid after consultation with the Crown.

00:19:49 SPEAKER_017: So we'll eventually get this report updated, so you'll be able to see the number of diversions or whatever we want to call them.

00:19:58 SPEAKER_017: or consultations.

00:19:59 SPEAKER_017: Hopefully, that kind of adds up with the number that you're seeing.

00:20:02 SPEAKER_017: So it's not necessarily less charges or less workload.

00:20:07 SPEAKER_017: I think it's going to be a little bit of streamlined process there.

00:20:11 SPEAKER_017: So for the total custodies transported, again we're fairly consistent with year to date, and we're seeing the numbers go up a little bit as the weather warms up here.

00:20:27 SPEAKER_017: Special constable hours are down ten percent, and you look over last month, and you recall.

00:20:31 SPEAKER_017: I think last month we had a number of family court matters and other things that were a little bit exceptional that was driving some extra hours there.

00:20:37 SPEAKER_017: So probably getting a little bit more closer to normal.

00:20:40 SPEAKER_017: We are moving towards the...

00:20:48 SPEAKER_017: I don't know if you're going to talk about it in the HR piece, Chief, but with respect to the full-time constable, it's going to be eventually up to the courts,

00:20:57 SPEAKER_017: probably at some point this summer, which would allow us to start getting some more part-timers back to the road to do some of the traffic, foot patrol,

00:21:05 SPEAKER_017: and proactive stuff that we have done going on.

00:21:08 SPEAKER_017: So we've had a competition; there was only one candidate for that.

00:21:12 SPEAKER_017: So, but just through some holidays and that sort of thing, it'll probably make more sense to have them at summer heading up there.

00:21:19 SPEAKER_017: So pretty much...

00:21:21 SPEAKER_017: Court.

00:21:22 SPEAKER_017: I think if I could just...

00:21:22 SPEAKER_020: I think if I can just add to that, I had a meeting earlier this week with the CEO of Grey County, as well as the head of POA Grey County,

00:21:33 SPEAKER_020: and just discussed staffing and foot security on the PA pension fund side.

00:21:40 SPEAKER_020: And there are several, it's probably supporting providing armed security.

00:21:46 SPEAKER_020: There has been a decision letter come through from the ministry that armed security and the recommendations that they provided do extend the provincial mandate for it,

00:21:56 SPEAKER_020: so we don't have to change anything in our foundation because that's how we'd already interpreted that direction.

00:22:05 SPEAKER_020: But we were able to through consultation to streamline some of the staffing, and so there will be a slight reduction in the number of staff at POE boards,

00:22:15 SPEAKER_020: and that will continue to be staffed there.

00:22:18 SPEAKER_020: Part-time officers on Tuesdays and Thursdays, what they said.

00:22:19 SPEAKER_020: So Thursdays when they said, but yeah, we should be getting them back for the rest of the week.

00:22:25 SPEAKER_020: We're gonna bring a person sworn to the court, and we also spoke about costs and some of the things that are known and some that are unknown, and how they explained some of the circumstances,

00:22:40 SPEAKER_020: and actually like having an extra judge sitting now at the Superior Court for Walkerton and Owen Sound, but extra courtrooms in Owen Sound, so they'll do it.

00:22:48 SPEAKER_020: So we explained that you know there's really not a whole lot we can do about that when they start staffing and supporting that courtroom.

00:22:57 SPEAKER_020: We have to provide court security, but we're working with the attorneys really pretty hard to try and give them an estimate on what that looks like.

00:23:04 SPEAKER_020: And moving forward, the court section of this report will get forwarded every month so they see how it's trending, what's going, so there's no surprises here.

00:23:17 SPEAKER_020: Right.

00:23:17 SPEAKER_020: Good.

00:23:18 SPEAKER_020: Good relationship there, and we meet regularly to talk about that.

00:23:21 SPEAKER_020: With the changes that are happening to the jail in Walkerton, does that have any impact, positive impact, on our side?

00:23:31 SPEAKER_020: It may if they decide that they determine that the remands are going to Walkerton.

00:23:35 SPEAKER_020: That'll certainly cut down the travel time and back and forth, and wherever we're transporting people down to Penetanguishene, will certainly be a lot more convenient if that's the main location for our area,

00:23:48 SPEAKER_020: our catchment area.

00:23:50 SPEAKER_020: Certainly, it's not as far, and making it somewhat easier.

00:23:53 SPEAKER_020: But that—that's still always off doing some kind of renovations to get it back up to being paid for for ten years.

00:24:04 SPEAKER_006: Was there any further discussion on Goose County chipping into the costs that were associated with another?

00:24:13 SPEAKER_020: We had lots of discussion around how much is coming from Richfield to Grey County, but they're going to continue to advocate through their, you know,

00:24:23 SPEAKER_020: through their roots through Roma and Amol to say you know because there's a bit of that equipment facility there and it's coming here, shouldn't fall to Owen Sound or Grey County,

00:24:36 SPEAKER_020: but I don't know where that's going to go.

00:24:41 SPEAKER_020: Still waiting on.

00:24:41 SPEAKER_020: There was one that I was trying.

00:24:42 SPEAKER_020: There was one that I was tracking, and that was lengthy.

00:24:45 SPEAKER_020: And it was when it's all said and done, I wanted to say this is the total that it cost.

00:24:51 SPEAKER_020: That is still ongoing, and the individual was convicted, waiting sentencing.

00:24:56 SPEAKER_020: I had represented, he self-represented, then hired a lawyer, fired a lawyer, appealing.

00:25:02 SPEAKER_020: So it's just going to be dragging on for some time now.

00:25:05 SPEAKER_020: So we'll see.

00:25:09 SPEAKER_020: Okay.

00:25:11 SPEAKER_020: Moving on to the end of the scene.

00:25:14 SPEAKER_020: Okay, doesn't matter.

00:25:18 SPEAKER_017: Okay, well then for the communication centre, all those charts, at least the first chart, they always show a lot of complicated numbers there, but there's something interesting I see in it.

00:25:30 SPEAKER_017: Anyway, it's when you look at the year to date, you'll see we're seeing year-to-date reductions in cat events everywhere except for Owen Sound, so we dispatch for a number of different police services.

00:25:45 SPEAKER_017: When you look at the total, all police cat events year-to-date down seven point six percent, basically.

00:25:50 SPEAKER_017: But here in Owen Sound, we are the anomaly.

00:25:53 SPEAKER_017: We were up four point eight percent year-to-date change, which is also a two percent change over same time last month.

00:26:02 SPEAKER_017: Again, some of that seasonal, but it's interesting to see that at least for the agencies that we dispatch for, they're seeing a reduction.

00:26:08 SPEAKER_017: Dispatched for their senior reduction in call volume, where we continue to see an increase.

00:26:12 SPEAKER_017: So, and that also reflects into the daily overall cadence.

00:26:21 SPEAKER_017: The average daily rate, probably about five point four percent, from fifty-one point five last month to fifty-four point three.

00:26:28 SPEAKER_017: And when you look at year-to-date, it's about the same thing.

00:26:31 SPEAKER_017: It's about a five percent increase.

00:26:32 SPEAKER_017: So, that's what we've been saying for quite some period of time now, and over the years, it seems we seem we seem to be doing about a five-six percent increase year-to-date,

00:26:45 SPEAKER_017: which gets to be difficult to absorb as we keep on.

00:26:49 SPEAKER_017: Period.

00:26:50 SPEAKER_006: Is it possible if someone called 911, they would get a busy signal?

00:26:55 SPEAKER_006: No, the answer is no. That came out.

00:26:59 SPEAKER_020: I tried to clarify that through an article in the media.

00:27:03 SPEAKER_020: There's no time that rings through to busy.

00:27:04 SPEAKER_020: Brings through that to busy.

00:27:06 SPEAKER_020: We'd have to have so many phone calls.

00:27:08 SPEAKER_020: We've got to reach that number, or somebody get a busy signal.

00:27:12 SPEAKER_020: It may, it will answer.

00:27:14 SPEAKER_020: It will connect, and it will say, "Please stay on the line."

00:27:17 SPEAKER_020: So it's, it's but not, it wouldn't be ringing busy.

00:27:21 SPEAKER_020: It would just be you know wait for an operator to get connected through, but stay on the line.

00:27:26 SPEAKER_020: And if somebody thinks they're going to speed up the process, as I explained, if they hang up, they'll try again and maybe get through the next time.

00:27:33 SPEAKER_020: All it does is move them.

00:27:33 SPEAKER_020: All the buses moving from the back, from where they're moving through the queue, and the queue is starting down.

00:27:38 SPEAKER_020: So, but no, there's no busy signal.

00:27:41 SPEAKER_020: So, it is possible.

00:27:44 SPEAKER_020: I think that if it was cell phones, the cell phone tower could be full, and then we get a fast busy signal, so it never reached the station.

00:27:54 SPEAKER_020: We just go to the cell tower and say, "I'm overloaded.

00:27:56 SPEAKER_020: I can't do it," because you've got that.

00:27:59 SPEAKER_020: Sometimes you get that on landlines too, on a radio station or something.

00:28:01 SPEAKER_029: All radio station or something for a contest, you get a fast busy because the circuits are overloaded.

00:28:07 SPEAKER_029: Just trying to get to the station, never gets it's close.

00:28:10 SPEAKER_029: So that might explain some.

00:28:12 SPEAKER_029: It's highly unlikely, but yeah.

00:28:14 SPEAKER_029: But I'm assuming that all those people around the fire, we're all calling from their cell phones.

00:28:21 SPEAKER_029: Something like, yeah.

00:28:25 SPEAKER_029: We did it.

00:28:26 SPEAKER_029: We're all.

00:28:30 SPEAKER_029: So we do all the calls.

00:28:32 SPEAKER_029: We do all the response time calls.

00:28:35 SPEAKER_020: I didn't see any concerns on our end the processing of the calls.

00:28:40 SPEAKER_020: I think that our response, for anybody else, it's up to them to look at it.

00:28:48 SPEAKER_020: You automatically do a critical incident review for everything like this.

00:28:52 SPEAKER_020: Is that just part of your normal process?

00:28:55 SPEAKER_020: It depends on circumstances.

00:28:58 SPEAKER_020: I mean, we don't review all of them, but certainly if there's some concern or some indication that there was a concern or problem with that 911 response, we don't wear them.

00:29:10 SPEAKER_020: Then we'll look at it and see.

00:29:12 SPEAKER_020: And like I said, the if anybody did choose to hang up, they they were all called back directly within short period of time to say you called 911, is everything all right?

00:29:23 SPEAKER_020: Because it might not have been related to that incident; it might have been related to something else.

00:29:26 SPEAKER_020: Yeah, and they got it, you know.

00:29:29 SPEAKER_020: Not a busy day, or they had a hold, or they decided not to stay on the line because they knew somebody else beside them was speaking, and they don't want.

00:29:35 SPEAKER_020: But everybody's contacted.

00:29:37 SPEAKER_020: Thank you.

00:29:40 SPEAKER_020: Anyway, yes.

00:29:41 SPEAKER_017: So of the six police services, it's for Owen Sound Police is the only one experiencing increase in year-to-date to the call line.

00:29:49 SPEAKER_017: Six police so far.

00:29:51 SPEAKER_017: The others are seeing some decreases.

00:29:54 SPEAKER_017: Anyway, eighteen infrastructure.

00:29:57 SPEAKER_017: There were a number of NG911 certifications for call hosted partner.

00:30:01 SPEAKER_017: I'm writing.

00:30:03 SPEAKER_017: They've completed four of seven.

00:30:05 SPEAKER_017: We heard from Chris yesterday that the fifth is now done, and they're moving on to, I think, number six next week.

00:30:10 SPEAKER_017: So everything is moving along well with the NG911 certifications.

00:30:15 SPEAKER_017: Six of seven.

00:30:17 SPEAKER_017: Well, there you go.

00:30:18 SPEAKER_017: They had an extra one yesterday.

00:30:19 SPEAKER_017: So, so yeah, we're we're almost there with those.

00:30:23 SPEAKER_017: I believe there's some training that is taking place this week here for some of our partners next week.

00:30:31 SPEAKER_017: Yeah, the OICP.

00:30:36 SPEAKER_017: I think we maybe mentioned this before, but the OHCCP has initiated an artificial intelligence committee to start looking at AI technology procedures, policy, risk, and security.

00:30:50 SPEAKER_017: We are starting to see a number of vendors that are approaching us with their.

00:30:52 SPEAKER_017: That are approaching us with various different products, trying to streamline reporting and and things like that using AI.

00:30:59 SPEAKER_017: So obviously the OACP has some concerns with what that looks like, looking for some standards.

00:31:04 SPEAKER_017: So Chris Hill, RIT director, has agreed to participate as a member on that committee, just so we stay at the forefront of what that looks like,

00:31:13 SPEAKER_017: and hopefully if there is any time savings or whatever to come out of it, we'll be first to know about this.

00:31:22 SPEAKER_017: And substantial programming completed to accommodate the change of address ownership from the municipality of Westbury to Hanover.

00:31:30 SPEAKER_017: Other than that, I think that is it for the IT and OCCC reports.

00:31:35 SPEAKER_020: So I'm not sure if everybody's aware, but the severed off portion of Westbury that borders Hanover to the Valley Hanover, Hanover Heights, every single address within that location,

00:31:49 SPEAKER_020: because we can't do a map upgrade yet.

00:31:50 SPEAKER_020: Needs to be physically altered so that it directs to the right response from the proper police station and the proper police person, the proper fire.

00:32:01 SPEAKER_020: Based on the geography, so everything in those planned areas had had to be manually integrated the system, set up.

00:32:10 SPEAKER_020: So it was a significant change,

00:32:12 SPEAKER_020: and it also had to be changed on the opposite end so that it wasn't no longer went to so it wasn't straight from one has to go to Hanover and then.

00:32:19 SPEAKER_020: Sam died in Hanover.

00:32:20 SPEAKER_020: They go to Westphalia.

00:32:22 SPEAKER_020: So yeah, it wasn't just a simple change of boundaries.

00:32:26 SPEAKER_020: There's there's a fair amount of work to do.

00:32:30 SPEAKER_017: Just some unlikely behind-the-scenes stuff that seems to always happen, but nobody really appreciates that till you hear about it.

00:32:36 SPEAKER_017: That's how that works.

00:32:37 SPEAKER_017: Didn't have a huge heads-up on the fact it was happening.

00:32:44 SPEAKER_017: Yeah, resources.

00:32:46 SPEAKER_020: Yeah, so we're continuing to roll out OSL, which is our time-off request system.

00:32:54 SPEAKER_020: They run the system, which tracks all those things with HR.

00:32:58 SPEAKER_020: We're still working with the city.

00:32:59 SPEAKER_020: We've had issues with their payroll system, and they're requesting that we work with a simpler file format for the transfer.

00:33:07 SPEAKER_020: So we continue to have issues transferring that information to them; so that removes the need for us to provide an Excel spreadsheet with all the data in it.

00:33:18 SPEAKER_020: Every week or every two weeks, we'll get pay.

00:33:21 SPEAKER_020: So, hoping that we get that working soon and move forward.

00:33:27 SPEAKER_020: As well, they're providing templates for uploading training courses, so it does keep track of all their training, keeps track of all the hours, keeps track of all their requests for time off,

00:33:36 SPEAKER_020: and all those things.

00:33:37 SPEAKER_020: So it's just being implemented now.

00:33:39 SPEAKER_020: Hopefully by the end of June.

00:33:40 SPEAKER_020: We attended the Emergency Services Career Expo in Toronto.

00:33:44 SPEAKER_020: There was this career expo in Toronto with about eighty candidates.

00:33:46 SPEAKER_020: The position is going to move next to Peel Region.

00:33:51 SPEAKER_020: Many is a cottage country option, so hopefully that was effective.

00:33:55 SPEAKER_020: They went to the Constable Selection System Symposium.

00:34:01 SPEAKER_020: We've ten the new position of full-time police constable.

00:34:06 SPEAKER_020: The courts were posted.

00:34:07 SPEAKER_020: This closed as the deputy mentioned; we'll be filling that.

00:34:12 SPEAKER_020: We had ten candidates complete the first round interviews for the recruit constable position and five in the second, and we offered employment to one to attend OBC in June.

00:34:23 SPEAKER_020: That was positive, and we had five candidates interviewed for the part-time data clerk role.

00:34:33 SPEAKER_020: I guess the new hire wasn't last month; it was this month.

00:34:35 SPEAKER_020: But we also had two resignations: a part-time communicator and a part-time data clerk.

00:34:39 SPEAKER_020: A part-time communicator just started training in April, so getting all different resources right now.

00:34:49 SPEAKER_020: We still look for more recruits, possibly experienced ones.

00:34:55 SPEAKER_020: Moving on to leave hours.

00:34:57 SPEAKER_020: If I can continue on with that, sick time you can see the total number of sick days for April through March is up.

00:35:10 SPEAKER_020: In March, it's up considerably.

00:35:12 SPEAKER_020: Year-to-date has been up considerably.

00:35:15 SPEAKER_020: Total number of shifts, WSI remains about the same.

00:35:21 SPEAKER_020: Twenty-six percent increase from April.

00:35:23 SPEAKER_020: In March, seventy-eight percent increase compared to last year.

00:35:27 SPEAKER_020: But much of that has been due to longer-term sick leaves that we have that we're carrying.

00:35:33 SPEAKER_020: While the number of shifts are high and total hours are reasonably low, there's a return-to-work programme that was working.

00:35:42 SPEAKER_020: One short-term WIB case was resolved in April, and the members returned to full duties.

00:35:48 SPEAKER_020: The other one remains standing.

00:35:51 SPEAKER_020: They're not receiving any top-ups at this time.

00:35:55 SPEAKER_020: Do we know?

00:35:56 SPEAKER_020: Sorry, I should go through the chair.

00:35:58 SPEAKER_020: Do we know the comparators, other municipalities?

00:36:02 SPEAKER_006: Is this normal or are we higher or lower?

00:36:06 SPEAKER_006: We are normal.

00:36:06 SPEAKER_020: We are well below a percentage, a small percentage compared to many of the other services.

00:36:13 SPEAKER_020: That's why so I have ten, twelve, twenty people on Douglas Island alone.

00:36:18 SPEAKER_020: Okay.

00:36:19 SPEAKER_020: Some services that have gone as high as a third of their staff.

00:36:24 SPEAKER_020: Cornwall was that one last year.

00:36:26 SPEAKER_020: Yeah, huge percentage, like something like forty percent of their staff wasn't coming to work.

00:36:30 SPEAKER_020: A lot of ours are doing the job that they're hired for.

00:36:32 SPEAKER_020: Yes, we are very, we are very fortunate.

00:36:35 SPEAKER_020: We are very rich.

00:36:36 SPEAKER_020: Yeah, we are.

00:36:37 SPEAKER_020: Do that.

00:36:42 SPEAKER_020: Area B actually has a huge number.

00:36:44 SPEAKER_020: I can imagine.

00:36:46 SPEAKER_020: Yeah, most of them, most of them in the double digits.

00:36:50 SPEAKER_020: They handle it.

00:36:53 SPEAKER_020: Wow.

00:36:56 SPEAKER_020: Yeah.

00:36:58 SPEAKER_020: And how safe?

00:37:00 SPEAKER_020: After.

00:37:02 SPEAKER_020: Um.

00:37:04 SPEAKER_017: Brickwork that's been sitting out there for several years.

00:37:08 SPEAKER_017: As you're aware, we have shaling issues with bricks deteriorating off the exterior of the building, and they continue to fall.

00:37:14 SPEAKER_017: There was, as of last year, they thought they were moving ahead with it.

00:37:21 SPEAKER_017: There was something interesting with that;

00:37:24 SPEAKER_017: had to have some sort of feedback from buildings across the street because something to do with the historical designation for the buildings that they have some input on what any sort of a repair or

00:37:40 SPEAKER_017: renovation looks like over here.

00:37:42 SPEAKER_017: So the project remains outstanding.

00:37:46 SPEAKER_017: We haven't heard any sort of updates on it, so just left it on the list until it gets done.

00:37:51 SPEAKER_017: But we do have works continuing in the jail, and particularly a front near the front entrance, which was problematic.

00:38:01 SPEAKER_017: So we're still concerned from falling at somebody.

00:38:06 SPEAKER_017: So does the building inspector look at that?

00:38:11 SPEAKER_017: I mean, they certainly were.

00:38:12 SPEAKER_017: If it was, I mean, they would like its building.

00:38:18 SPEAKER_017: That's a pretty big liability if we have breaks.

00:38:21 SPEAKER_017: That's right, falling at the entrance of the police station, like.

00:38:25 SPEAKER_017: Yeah, and ultimately, it's the skin of the brick.

00:38:28 SPEAKER_017: It's not the whole brick.

00:38:29 SPEAKER_017: I mean, it's a chunk.

00:38:31 SPEAKER_017: Still gonna hurt.

00:38:32 SPEAKER_017: Yeah.

00:38:32 SPEAKER_017: No, but it's just they deteriorate over time.

00:38:35 SPEAKER_017: Water gets in, whether they freeze and they pop off, and the entrance way is a little bit better because they redid the portion of the entrance way before years ago, closed it off,

00:38:46 SPEAKER_020: and we couldn't remove bricks to put new bricks in.

00:38:50 SPEAKER_020: But it's the south wall.

00:38:53 SPEAKER_020: The south wall is probably the biggest issue right now.

00:38:57 SPEAKER_020: But yes, there's.

00:38:57 SPEAKER_020: So, you call the city, tell them there's a problem, and then they would send the building inspector, or how does it work?

00:39:10 SPEAKER_020: This was identified years ago.

00:39:12 SPEAKER_020: McIntosh required the well, even prior to that.

00:39:16 SPEAKER_020: Yeah, it started off.

00:39:20 SPEAKER_017: I believe they were going to clad the entire walls, and now it's at least as of last year was moved to I think top six feet or something.

00:39:27 SPEAKER_017: Only they were going to put some steel cladding around the outside, but yeah, I don't know where that's where that's at.

00:39:35 SPEAKER_017: We haven't had it, but it is in the McIntosh report or this whatever.

00:39:38 SPEAKER_017: Yeah, I could carry McIntosh with McIntosh.

00:39:43 SPEAKER_017: Yes, ma'am.

00:39:44 SPEAKER_017: Chair.

00:39:45 SPEAKER_017: So costing.

00:39:47 SPEAKER_017: Do you have any idea on what this would cost?

00:39:49 SPEAKER_017: And is this will this move through any sort of capital plan, like?

00:39:54 SPEAKER_017: Um, like, where does this sit budget-wise?

00:39:59 SPEAKER_048: It is a city's expense, but is it under the capital because it's a larger cost item, or where does it sit?

00:40:05 SPEAKER_048: Like, waiting to see is I just need more direction on.

00:40:10 SPEAKER_048: I know it was under capital in 2020.

00:40:12 SPEAKER_048: Right, that's what I thought. 2019, 2020 and 2021, and okay, got taken off because of COVID, and I don't know if it's come back on.

00:40:19 SPEAKER_048: So we need to make sure if it was on and it was removed that it's back on again, because there is a capital budget review coming forward.

00:40:28 SPEAKER_048: So I don't want it to be lost.

00:40:30 SPEAKER_048: I think we need to make sure it's somewhere so that eyes are on it and there's some accountability.

00:40:36 SPEAKER_048: So I just wanted to be sure that we did that.

00:40:39 SPEAKER_050: Didn't you do a report in September, October that lists compares what the Perry Advantage does to cities how it went?

00:40:51 SPEAKER_050: City's capital plan, yeah.

00:40:53 SPEAKER_050: Maybe if you send that out, we'll get you some fodder for meeting in June.

00:40:58 SPEAKER_050: Yeah, and and you're saying that the capital data sheet was completed for 2021.

00:41:04 SPEAKER_050: I think it was 20.

00:41:06 SPEAKER_050: I think it was 2020.

00:41:07 SPEAKER_050: It was supposed to be done because it doesn't go.

00:41:10 SPEAKER_051: So we need to see where that is at this point in time, and at least get it in the queue,

00:41:16 SPEAKER_051: so that it's not just a conversation that there's duplication and some sort of funding attached.

00:41:22 SPEAKER_020: Assume it was back in the queue if it was priority in 2020.

00:41:27 SPEAKER_020: I don't want to assume.

00:41:29 SPEAKER_020: It's probably there, but I think it's been moved out.

00:41:37 SPEAKER_048: We'll just check and make sure your little piece of paper's stuck in there somewhere because it needs to be in the queue somewhere.

00:41:44 SPEAKER_017: I think one of the concerns with that one too is once a brick, brick is only waterproof from the very outer shell, which is the part that gets fired when they heat them up.

00:41:53 SPEAKER_017: And once that comes off, the brick becomes porous.

00:41:56 SPEAKER_017: So there's a potential that that one's going to deteriorate even more because it gets wet and freezes and pops.

00:42:02 SPEAKER_017: And and it may still be in the capital.

00:42:05 SPEAKER_017: I think it is, but I just want to be sure.

00:42:08 SPEAKER_017: Like not just haven't seen the full.

00:42:10 SPEAKER_017: Haven't.

00:42:10 SPEAKER_017: I'm sorry, Marion.

00:42:13 SPEAKER_017: That hasn't come full circle with the council yet, so can't confirm.

00:42:18 SPEAKER_017: We reported last month on a couple of water leaks.

00:42:21 SPEAKER_017: One was in the Combs area, and the other was over at the front entrance.

00:42:25 SPEAKER_017: The city has addressed both of those, and the church's accurate that they did.

00:42:31 SPEAKER_017: It was done, but we haven't seen those leaks recur.

00:42:35 SPEAKER_017: They were out front most of the day, pounding and hammering, and sounded like it was a not sure what they were doing, but a large project, a major repair that had to happen out there,

00:42:45 SPEAKER_017: but we haven't really seen that we had before either.

00:42:50 SPEAKER_017: So hopefully they're resolved.

00:42:52 SPEAKER_017: Cleaning services we've left on there continued an excellent job to our knowledge.

00:42:57 SPEAKER_017: The contract remains outstanding for them.

00:43:01 SPEAKER_017: We've noticed a significant difference having a dedicated facilities person dropping in at least a couple of days per month, usually for an hour or so.

00:43:09 SPEAKER_017: He's been changing out lights and the usual stuff that tends to go on with the building.

00:43:12 SPEAKER_017: So that's been Tends to run with the building, so that's been a big improvement.

00:43:18 SPEAKER_017: Elevator still needs to be locked out manually in the evening to prevent after-hours access to the upstairs.

00:43:24 SPEAKER_020: I extend that to unauthorized access is anytime as well, just because somebody can walk in, walk in, and our records person doesn't see them, or they just push the button in the elevator.

00:43:37 SPEAKER_020: There's no, and yes, it's a contained area.

00:43:41 SPEAKER_020: There are security access doors, but the door to our offices are wide open, and somebody can just walk right in.

00:43:49 SPEAKER_020: Theoretically, walk right down into any of our offices without any security check.

00:43:55 SPEAKER_006: It's not signed, authorised, used only, is it?

00:43:59 SPEAKER_006: No, it's a public access.

00:44:01 SPEAKER_020: It's a public elevator, so like I said, there's no issues as long as as long as there's a control on use and value.

00:44:12 SPEAKER_006: So the person has to manually come out and unlock it.

00:44:16 SPEAKER_006: There's no mechanism that they can.

00:44:18 SPEAKER_006: Right now, push it on.

00:44:19 SPEAKER_020: Right now, you can walk in the front door and push a button and pull up the elevator.

00:44:24 SPEAKER_020: So anybody can, whether they're upset with us, armed, anything like that.

00:44:29 SPEAKER_020: Is there a possibility of having something?

00:44:31 SPEAKER_020: From what I understand, that they're going to lock it out, then they have to pull on the elevator, but so.

00:44:42 SPEAKER_020: You can manually lock it because I've had to have them.

00:44:46 SPEAKER_020: I've had them come and unlock.

00:44:48 SPEAKER_056: Why don't you just make that a rule that it's locked during the day, and if somebody needs it, they need to ask.

00:44:55 SPEAKER_056: That makes more sense.

00:44:56 SPEAKER_056: Meaning, I'm looking to do that because it's become an issue.

00:45:00 SPEAKER_056: There's something to do with fire.

00:45:02 SPEAKER_056: Yeah.

00:45:04 SPEAKER_056: Yeah.

00:45:05 SPEAKER_056: As we talked about that originally, had some problem with it.

00:45:09 SPEAKER_056: Because it's a public elevator.

00:45:10 SPEAKER_020: That one it comes out of the building design, the layout, front desk layout, and everything else.

00:45:17 SPEAKER_020: Which you can't use an elevator if there's a fire, anyway.

00:45:20 SPEAKER_020: Goes to the ground.

00:45:21 SPEAKER_020: Not supposed to.

00:45:23 SPEAKER_020: We assume this was not that old.

00:45:25 SPEAKER_020: It doesn't recognize fire.

00:45:28 SPEAKER_061: It just doesn't make sense that you have a secured door that you can't get through unless you've got access.

00:45:34 SPEAKER_061: But if you want to use the elevator, go ahead.

00:45:36 SPEAKER_061: So.

00:45:36 SPEAKER_061: I use the elevator.

00:45:36 SPEAKER_061: Go ahead.

00:45:37 SPEAKER_061: So if that's, I mean, you know, there would be nothing to stop somebody from walking in the front of this way.

00:45:45 SPEAKER_061: The elevator walkway is great; there's no obstruction.

00:45:49 SPEAKER_061: The thing should be passable like another door.

00:45:55 SPEAKER_061: We shouldn't let City Hall get downstairs.

00:45:57 SPEAKER_061: I can walk in with a rifle, get on that elevator, and come upstairs.

00:46:04 SPEAKER_061: That's probably not going to happen at all.

00:46:06 SPEAKER_061: And some...

00:46:07 SPEAKER_061: I don't care about that.

00:46:08 SPEAKER_061: Shouldn't that be locked?

00:46:10 SPEAKER_061: So how do we expedite this?

00:46:12 SPEAKER_061: Because we've just discussed this in a public meeting open to everyone.

00:46:16 SPEAKER_061: At this point, that creates a risk.

00:46:19 SPEAKER_061: Um, I think that raises an important issue.

00:46:23 SPEAKER_061: So how do we move it forward?

00:46:24 SPEAKER_020: Lock it up, whether we're supposed to or not.

00:46:28 SPEAKER_020: That's the answer.

00:46:29 SPEAKER_020: Yeah, and then work backwards.

00:46:32 SPEAKER_020: We only have a chat with the city.

00:46:33 SPEAKER_020: Burn next...

00:46:34 SPEAKER_020: The city fired next month because I remember there were some reasons.

00:46:36 SPEAKER_017: Part of it is that without elevators, it's old; they have problems getting parts for it.

00:46:41 SPEAKER_017: So there was some circuit board or something that went in it a year or two ago, and it was out for quite some time, and they had to cobble something together to make it work.

00:46:49 SPEAKER_017: I think it's just so old or whatever that parts have become scarce for it.

00:46:55 SPEAKER_017: So it's been a challenge, but let me talk to the city.

00:47:02 SPEAKER_017: I remember there being a reason for it, and just more information on that for next month.

00:47:10 SPEAKER_017: Just circling back to the issue of the brick.

00:47:13 SPEAKER_017: Dale, do you have that word?

00:47:15 SPEAKER_017: Is it in the books?

00:47:16 SPEAKER_017: Yep.

00:47:16 SPEAKER_017: So we did a comparison from McIntosh Berry, which was June 2023, and it was the condition of the brick before, and then the city responded with a City Response Action Letter on September 23rd, 2025.

00:47:31 SPEAKER_069: It was not mentioned in the city's letter, so the status is that there's no current update provided by the city pending confirmation if the 2025 capital plan includes masonry repairs.

00:47:44 SPEAKER_069: So it wasn't included then, or yeah.

00:47:48 SPEAKER_016: And if you could just send that whole report to the board because it covers a whole list of items identified where there were issues.

00:47:56 SPEAKER_016: Um, through you, Chair, would it be helpful for the Director of Corporate Services, the Chief Treasurer, to have that?

00:48:04 SPEAKER_016: They're the ones who do the data.

00:48:06 SPEAKER_048: She probably has the report, but we're talking about masonry, so we want to be sure before it comes forward to Council that there's some acknowledgement.

00:48:17 SPEAKER_048: It may already be in there.

00:48:18 SPEAKER_048: We need assurance that it is, and if it isn't, we need the request to go forward.

00:48:24 SPEAKER_048: Well, I know they have the building condition assessment.

00:48:28 SPEAKER_048: They do.

00:48:29 SPEAKER_048: This is the capital that is being highlighted.

00:48:32 SPEAKER_048: Yes, exactly.

00:48:33 SPEAKER_048: Yep.

00:48:35 SPEAKER_006: So, will you forward something to Kate?

00:48:38 SPEAKER_006: We can identify these.

00:48:40 SPEAKER_006: What is the status of this?

00:48:42 SPEAKER_006: We'll ask about all of them.

00:48:44 SPEAKER_006: Is it still in the capital part of June?

00:48:46 SPEAKER_006: June discussions at Council.

00:48:49 SPEAKER_006: Yes.

00:48:49 SPEAKER_017: It certainly seemed like it was moving ahead a year ago because I remember being quite surprised that they were waiting on colour selection from the heritage building folks to have their input on what colour...

00:49:01 SPEAKER_017: which I was surprised with.

00:49:04 SPEAKER_017: Well, we just want to be sure.

00:49:05 SPEAKER_017: Right.

00:49:05 SPEAKER_017: That was again a year ago, and I don't know where it got to.

00:49:09 SPEAKER_017: So, front lobby washroom several months ago, probably in February or March.

00:49:18 SPEAKER_017: So the issue downstairs is there again.

00:49:20 SPEAKER_017: There's no lock on the public access washroom in the lobby.

00:49:23 SPEAKER_017: We actually had an overdose in there way back when.

00:49:28 SPEAKER_017: And challenges we don't know about.

00:49:31 SPEAKER_017: And somebody goes in or out.

00:49:32 SPEAKER_017: So if the records clerk isn't there, or she steps away from her desk through the photocopy room, or sort of somebody ducks in there, we don't know that through there.

00:49:42 SPEAKER_017: Through the winter months, we are often accommodating folks warming up in the front lobby.

00:49:47 SPEAKER_017: Some people that have been given temporary bans from Safe and Sound and things like that come in and sleep in our lobby, so we do see that happening.

00:49:57 SPEAKER_017: So what we requested was an actual controlled access lock where we can either give out a key or that sort of thing.

00:50:03 SPEAKER_017: So we at least know that somebody's in there and can check on them.

00:50:07 SPEAKER_017: So way back in March, I went to Facilities.

00:50:11 SPEAKER_017: I checked three weeks ago or so to find out what was happening with that, and the indication was still awaiting scheduling by a locksmith.

00:50:22 SPEAKER_017: Again, I haven't written an update since, so that one still remains outstanding for several months as well.

00:50:30 SPEAKER_017: AODA compliance, long term... just leave this one on there.

00:50:34 SPEAKER_017: But planned capital expenditure for it;

00:50:36 SPEAKER_017: long term it will need to be included in any facility assessment needs reviews because we are not compliant with our front desk area right now and probably some other areas of the building.

00:50:49 SPEAKER_017: So... probably at the start of May, they were in and did the HVAC balancing work.

00:50:57 SPEAKER_017: That was probably close to a week.

00:50:59 SPEAKER_017: Most of that was just measuring the flow coming out of the diffusers and doing some adjustments to that.

00:51:07 SPEAKER_017: So we're hoping that's going to assist with temperature imbalances.

00:51:12 SPEAKER_017: Last summer we had a lot of condensation leaks.

00:51:15 SPEAKER_017: That was all of the stained tiles that were mostly in the upstairs of the building here, caused by something to do with the balance of the HVAC,

00:51:25 SPEAKER_017: which was leading to the air being too cold coming through the ducts and creating condensation based on the humidity.

00:51:32 SPEAKER_017: So hopefully it's going to fix that.

00:51:35 SPEAKER_017: But this is not a long-term solution for the HVAC; it's really just the band-aid system that we have.

00:51:40 SPEAKER_017: But we still have issues with actuators and simply the age of the HVAC system and problems.

00:51:47 SPEAKER_017: Probably some maintenance that hasn't occurred over the years with it as well.

00:51:50 SPEAKER_020: So I think it was two days balancing this week, this past weekend, that was over thirty degrees temperature from the affected area.

00:52:01 SPEAKER_020: Yeah, so there was...

00:52:04 SPEAKER_020: I was on a weekend, and I don't know if they came out today.

00:52:07 SPEAKER_017: I think about short version is every one of these areas or diffusers has an electronic called an actuator that opens the thing to allow hotter or cold air in, and because it's a hydronic system,

00:52:23 SPEAKER_017: they have water running through them and they get gummed up.

00:52:26 SPEAKER_017: They need maintenance every year.

00:52:28 SPEAKER_017: You're supposed to, as I understand it, take them apart, clean them out to keep them working properly, and that's what most of the time is the issue.

00:52:36 SPEAKER_017: The system is the actuators freeze open, freeze closed, so you either get overheating or overcooling, in particular like we did down in records.

00:52:43 SPEAKER_017: Down records, so usually that ends up being an emergency call for the HVAC bear guy to come and clean out the valve and get it working again.

00:52:52 SPEAKER_017: But mostly that causes these issues.

00:52:58 SPEAKER_017: Painting: we got some painting done downstairs in early May.

00:53:03 SPEAKER_017: Some portions of the main floor hallways and some of the office spaces downstairs still, but actually looks a lot better.

00:53:10 SPEAKER_017: Different colour downstairs.

00:53:13 SPEAKER_017: That was not sure if we're getting anymore.

00:53:17 SPEAKER_017: The shoe chief, you haven't heard?

00:53:18 SPEAKER_017: I haven't heard anything.

00:53:19 SPEAKER_017: They were starting with that.

00:53:21 SPEAKER_017: We're going to see.

00:53:22 SPEAKER_017: We probably had painters in for a week, so they got quite a bit done in some of the doorways, door frames, and the main hallway areas and records,

00:53:31 SPEAKER_017: and a couple of offices that we needed.

00:53:33 SPEAKER_017: So anyway, that was appreciated.

00:53:36 SPEAKER_017: Parking lot storm drains.

00:53:38 SPEAKER_017: Haven't heard an update from the city as of yet.

00:53:40 SPEAKER_017: They were supposed to be doing some cleanup work in the spring because we continue to have blockages in the parking lot that gives us some flooding out there.

00:53:51 SPEAKER_017: And main floor staff washroom renovation, I have not heard anything about that either.

00:53:59 SPEAKER_017: It's supposed to be moving forward this year.

00:54:02 SPEAKER_017: Contractor's been secured.

00:54:04 SPEAKER_017: I don't think we've seen any security requests for any workers or anything come forward.

00:54:09 SPEAKER_017: So.

00:54:10 SPEAKER_017: I'll have to try and get an update on that to see when that's going to happen.

00:54:15 SPEAKER_020: Yeah, the tender was awarded, and we said we need to know who's coming in to do the port security clearances at that time and have a printer.

00:54:24 SPEAKER_017: I believe it's the same contractor that might be doing work on the Tom or the library washrooms, or maybe the.

00:54:32 SPEAKER_017: Anyway, there was a bundled work plan I think that went together with our washrooms.

00:54:37 SPEAKER_017: I'm not sure if they've started on other projects first.

00:54:41 SPEAKER_017: Try and get an update for next month.

00:54:44 SPEAKER_017: I think that's it.

00:54:46 SPEAKER_017: No, thanks, Dave.

00:54:47 SPEAKER_017: Any other questions for Dave on facilities update?

00:54:52 SPEAKER_017: Moving on to financial update, chief.

00:54:59 SPEAKER_017: Nice.

00:55:06 SPEAKER_017: Just the um spreadsheets.

00:55:12 SPEAKER_017: Uh, anywhere.

00:55:16 SPEAKER_020: Anyway, the financial update is gone over the numbers with the block and with eight and projected in here, and it was about in twenty thousand, thirty thousand dollars within the budget,

00:55:29 SPEAKER_020: projected to be over slightly.

00:55:31 SPEAKER_020: But that's the other; appears to be well within line, and there's some seeing there for.

00:55:34 SPEAKER_020: There's some hidden in there for some unexpected things as well.

00:55:40 SPEAKER_020: Numbers seem to be online and on fire, and we want to be stuff.

00:55:46 SPEAKER_020: Moving on to chief's activity report.

00:55:51 SPEAKER_020: So, just a couple of things.

00:55:54 SPEAKER_020: I'll highlight one day we spent.

00:55:56 SPEAKER_020: There were two days in London.

00:55:58 SPEAKER_020: One was the parental offenses court management conference.

00:56:01 SPEAKER_020: The second day was the Derry Court of Justice court management conference where we met with judges, justice piece, court staff, court admin, everybody, crowns and defence lawyers, everybody involved in the justice system,

00:56:18 SPEAKER_020: both both FEA and OCJ, and went over some of the efficiencies and how how to move forward and improve the role and what's going on in the courts.

00:56:30 SPEAKER_020: So that was very productive.

00:56:31 SPEAKER_020: It's not very productive, and then well, I had the opportunity to go down to Ottawa, Windsor Park, and meet with the Sol Jem, the Attorney General, and the Premier,

00:56:43 SPEAKER_020: and to discuss some of the issues surrounding policing, and one of those was court security, and a number of other issues that we discussed.

00:56:52 SPEAKER_020: And some of them was grant funding and small municipal services and things like that.

00:56:56 SPEAKER_020: So that was that was that was good.

00:56:58 SPEAKER_020: It was two or three hours with the premier, there was a couple.

00:57:02 SPEAKER_020: I guess it was two hours with the premier ministers, and then we spent two days at small, mid-sized meetings.

00:57:13 SPEAKER_020: Those are probably the most productive days that we get.

00:57:16 SPEAKER_020: We start talking to all the other services that are going through the same things that we are.

00:57:20 SPEAKER_020: That's about it.

00:57:24 SPEAKER_020: Thank you.

00:57:24 SPEAKER_020: Moving on to other items and new business.

00:57:28 SPEAKER_020: In new business, so I think Marion, you asked to have this next item on the agenda: review the nuisance bylaw.

00:57:39 SPEAKER_016: And I was looking back in the past minutes, and this topic was on our agenda in April of 2025.

00:57:46 SPEAKER_016: And at that time, we reviewed the bylaw and found it was enacted to safeguard quality of city communities and neighborhoods, protect the safety, health, and well-being of the public,

00:57:57 SPEAKER_016: ensure the continued enjoyment of public and private property for residents, visitors, the city.

00:58:07 SPEAKER_016: At our March 2025 meeting, we also discussed that some house shoppers weren't feeling comfortable downtown.

00:58:17 SPEAKER_016: It was also noted that some business owners were locking the doors during the day as control those that were entering the actual place of business.

00:58:27 SPEAKER_016: This still exists today.

00:58:29 SPEAKER_016: Bank ABMs in the River District are closed after banking hours.

00:58:35 SPEAKER_016: Once the branch is closed, the ABM vestibule is closed.

00:58:39 SPEAKER_016: This also extends to the East Side.

00:58:42 SPEAKER_016: Another FI.

00:58:43 SPEAKER_016: Not only is their ABM doors locked at night, but during the day, you have to be buzzed into the branch, into the actual banking place itself.

00:58:54 SPEAKER_016: So it's. hasn't changed much since the last time we talked about it over a year ago.

00:59:01 SPEAKER_016: I know that Chief Ambrose at the time said that community is concerned, and he's receiving daily calls, and I don't think that stopped because of the visibility of substance abuse within the city,

00:59:15 SPEAKER_016: and disorderly behaviour and public use has increased significantly the last year, and also I understand that there's been a significant increase in the number of calls for service within the River District itself.

00:59:33 SPEAKER_016: And then we all heard of the stabbing that happened on Monday.

00:59:39 SPEAKER_016: Never heard.

00:59:40 SPEAKER_016: I think we also had our meeting in April.

00:59:44 SPEAKER_016: There was a motion that we sent to the city requesting council convene a meeting with the River District board.

00:59:50 SPEAKER_016: I think that was a July meeting.

00:59:51 SPEAKER_016: That was the July meeting from last year.

00:59:54 SPEAKER_016: Coming out of that meeting, I think was the implementation of a group called the Neighbourhood Response Team.

01:00:01 SPEAKER_016: Didn't that?

01:00:01 SPEAKER_016: I think that came out of that meeting, and it was funded by Health Canada and administered by the county.

01:00:07 SPEAKER_016: If that's correct, Chief.

01:00:08 SPEAKER_016: I'm going to go by memory, and sometimes it's short.

01:00:11 SPEAKER_020: Yeah, no, there was discussion around that, but you know, some separate funding, I think.

01:00:18 SPEAKER_020: But certainly, it was.

01:00:21 SPEAKER_020: It took place on the sun.

01:00:23 SPEAKER_016: Yeah, and that the following following winter, I think.

01:00:27 SPEAKER_016: Yeah, and that group is no longer active.

01:00:30 SPEAKER_016: It was, I guess, the funding ran out.

01:00:35 SPEAKER_016: Thoughts, discussions here, and you had asked it to be on the.

01:00:39 SPEAKER_006: Well, I was just looking at it to see if there was any clout in it to enforce what people are complaining about.

01:00:51 SPEAKER_006: But enforcement is.

01:00:54 SPEAKER_006: I think I understand correctly.

01:00:56 SPEAKER_006: By law enforcement, and then after hours they would call.

01:00:59 SPEAKER_006: Is that correct?

01:01:01 SPEAKER_006: Yeah, that's the.

01:01:03 SPEAKER_006: It should be handled.

01:01:05 SPEAKER_006: They.

01:01:05 SPEAKER_006: It should go to see bylaw first.

01:01:08 SPEAKER_020: They and certainly, and maybe it's improved a little bit in the last little while that they have been proactively down there.

01:01:18 SPEAKER_020: I don't know if they're doing enforcement.

01:01:20 SPEAKER_006: They should know because I know it came up at council as well, right?

01:01:26 SPEAKER_006: Could be why they're more visible down there.

01:01:30 SPEAKER_006: Last couple, last week or two,

01:01:34 SPEAKER_020: we've had council discussions about whether or not this meets all the needs and whether the file that I provided to the city provides a little bit more came from City Goldberg whether or not that

01:01:50 SPEAKER_020: could be incorporated or added to it.

01:01:53 SPEAKER_020: That's some discussions around that, but we'll go see whether that's an option.

01:02:00 SPEAKER_006: Okay, so it is being somewhat looked at.

01:02:04 SPEAKER_048: Carol, so just to summarise, the Neighbourhood Response Team is no longer active.

01:02:10 SPEAKER_048: So we do have our Community Oriented Response Team down.

01:02:14 SPEAKER_048: Response team downtown.

01:02:15 SPEAKER_048: We have foot patrols downtown.

01:02:18 SPEAKER_048: Anything else visible downtown other than those two things?

01:02:23 SPEAKER_020: Bail complaints are down there quite a bit because the individuals that they're looking for are on terms and or warrants outstanding, so they spend very much time.

01:02:34 SPEAKER_020: So two questions.

01:02:35 SPEAKER_048: About a year ago, we had a community engagement forum, and there were discussions that arose out of that.

01:02:43 SPEAKER_048: Where where is the action from that?

01:02:47 SPEAKER_048: Because that arose because of the concerns around downtown safety, and just general concerns.

01:02:54 SPEAKER_048: So there was a fair amount of investment in that to occur.

01:02:57 SPEAKER_048: I think a hundred people attended or so, which is significant.

01:03:01 SPEAKER_048: And that was you could only have so many attend, so that was selected participation.

01:03:07 SPEAKER_048: Where are we with that?

01:03:08 SPEAKER_048: So that's my first question.

01:03:10 SPEAKER_048: So that wasn't.

01:03:11 SPEAKER_048: That was city led.

01:03:12 SPEAKER_048: That that was city.

01:03:13 SPEAKER_048: Okay, so I shouldn't say that.

01:03:14 SPEAKER_048: I think that was board initiated.

01:03:16 SPEAKER_048: It was that was city led led, and I haven't seen any follow up or heard any follow up from city at all.

01:03:24 SPEAKER_048: Since it was board led, is there oh city led city led board initiated, as a request based on concerns that came through, the board,

01:03:34 SPEAKER_048: is there any advantage for the board to communicate back to the city saying the issues continue and in fact, as you've just described,

01:03:42 SPEAKER_048: the incidents are getting elevated in the River District that you have to respond to.

01:03:47 SPEAKER_048: Is there any advantage to the board sending just asking what's the status?

01:03:54 SPEAKER_048: Has there been any further action?

01:03:57 SPEAKER_048: We recognize the issues still seem to be occurring or escalating.

01:04:01 SPEAKER_048: What may be potential strategies, at least, rather than just letting it?

01:04:05 SPEAKER_048: You know, we we because you're you're expanding resources to respond to the calls, and we're hearing more and more from the public.

01:04:14 SPEAKER_048: I know certainly council is.

01:04:17 SPEAKER_048: Is there an advantage?

01:04:18 SPEAKER_048: That's my certain first question.

01:04:23 SPEAKER_006: Can it be a topic on the council board?

01:04:28 SPEAKER_006: You you talked about you used the word advantage.

01:04:32 SPEAKER_006: Like to clarify what you mean by advantage.

01:04:37 SPEAKER_048: You have a question about my intent around the word advantage.

01:04:40 SPEAKER_048: Let me tell you.

01:04:41 SPEAKER_048: Let me ask you what your concerns are about that.

01:04:45 SPEAKER_048: I saw what happened last year.

01:04:47 SPEAKER_048: Yeah, motion was very specific.

01:04:49 SPEAKER_016: Yeah, and when it moved into the agenda, yeah, and the forum for the meeting, it changed considerably.

01:05:00 SPEAKER_016: Yes.

01:05:02 SPEAKER_048: So the intent of the board was modified as the as the event unfolded, that's the way it appeared to me.

01:05:11 SPEAKER_048: Maybe I'm misinterpreted, but I it was just it was purely wrong.

01:05:18 SPEAKER_048: There's more talk out of out of there about how it was run, controlled, and solutions and anything else.

01:05:27 SPEAKER_048: The solutions instead of what was this guy doing?

01:05:32 SPEAKER_048: So I'm not surprised that there's been nothing following up, and and I just look at it like I know there's lots of media, social media, going on right now about what's going on downtown,

01:05:48 SPEAKER_048: but I don't see anything in the public purvey.

01:05:52 SPEAKER_016: So they're not going to the newspapers, they're not going to city hall, they're not coming making presentations to the police service board.

01:06:01 SPEAKER_016: I think it's one of those things that's under the surface, and unless it's in somebody's face publicly, it's going to continue.

01:06:12 SPEAKER_016: And I know one of the biggest issues that I've read in social media, and I think it's very, very, and I'd like to highlight it.

01:06:19 SPEAKER_016: It's you know, one camp is saying, you know, these people deserve respect.

01:06:26 SPEAKER_016: The other camp says, totally agree, but respect is a two-way street.

01:06:31 SPEAKER_016: And based on what we've seen downtown, there's a lack of respect on one side or the other, and maybe it's a combination.

01:06:39 SPEAKER_016: But until this comes above the surface, I'm not sure whether anybody's going to take it seriously.

01:06:47 SPEAKER_006: I'm surprised the River District hasn't convened something, because the store owners are very frustrated, and that that actually leads in nicely to my second.

01:07:03 SPEAKER_048: I not that I'm trying to create work, but you mentioned that there's more calls for service to the River District.

01:07:10 SPEAKER_048: Are we able to pull what that change in volume is, and track costing for police services in response to that change in volume?

01:07:22 SPEAKER_048: Because that's an important factor around the whole River District component, because because the police budget is supported obviously by tax dollars, and we need to have that kind of understanding.

01:07:36 SPEAKER_048: What's trending, and where do we go from there?

01:07:39 SPEAKER_048: But is that a lot of work to ask for?

01:07:42 SPEAKER_048: Well, the board chair mentioned there's an increase in calls for service.

01:07:46 SPEAKER_020: Anecdotally, I can tell you that it's an increase calls for service, but we don't break it down by River District calls for service.

01:07:52 SPEAKER_020: So we're doing a lot of work.

01:07:53 SPEAKER_020: Say, yeah, you have to go through and review all the calls and find the location spot on the map, and everything else.

01:07:58 SPEAKER_020: We're working on some software that will do that, and we have some funding available to implement that software.

01:08:04 SPEAKER_020: And but so that we have a heat map and can look at all your culture service, and we may be getting that soon enough that we can use it.

01:08:12 SPEAKER_020: But at this present time, don't have the don't have ability to do that.

01:08:16 SPEAKER_020: Yeah.

01:08:16 SPEAKER_020: We are getting a lot.

01:08:20 SPEAKER_020: I'm receiving, you know, a lot more calls, so I'm sure the number of them comes through the counselors.

01:08:23 SPEAKER_020: A number of them come through the counselors as well that are, you know, really unable to fill the people at site from the, fires or city,

01:08:32 SPEAKER_020: that people are frustrated and and certainly we need to move forward.

01:08:37 SPEAKER_020: Part of it is still staffing resources, with having to fill the courts and not being able to fill the new positions.

01:08:44 SPEAKER_020: And a lot of, I'd love to be able to hire more new officers.

01:08:48 SPEAKER_020: They were supposed to be hired to go to college in March, and now they're not going to college in March.

01:08:53 SPEAKER_020: They're not going to college in June.

01:08:54 SPEAKER_020: They'll be going to college in September if we can hire them.

01:08:57 SPEAKER_020: They need to, if they're new recruits.

01:08:59 SPEAKER_020: If we can hire experienced officers, even better because I'm getting the ground running.

01:09:03 SPEAKER_020: But if I—and now that we can't find the right candidates—if I hire somebody in September, they're September till December at school.

01:09:11 SPEAKER_020: December till February in class here.

01:09:15 SPEAKER_020: February until June, probably with their coach officer marching.

01:09:20 SPEAKER_020: Maybe May.

01:09:21 SPEAKER_020: So, you're looking at a year.

01:09:23 SPEAKER_020: So even if I can hire somebody, it's next me.

01:09:26 SPEAKER_020: Before now, that because of the scheduling for the college, we're looking at a year out before they hit the ground and where things get back.

01:09:33 SPEAKER_048: What I'm hearing you say is your system is not set up to separate out the calls for service geographically to the River District area,

01:09:40 SPEAKER_048: and that would take more man-hours to actually collect that information to support any sort of future requests for augmented service.

01:09:49 SPEAKER_048: That's why we—Service.

01:09:50 SPEAKER_020: Well, that's why we, through some grant funding, we have some analytic tools that we're purchasing that we can put that into.

01:09:56 SPEAKER_020: Potentially, yeah.

01:09:57 SPEAKER_017: Right now, without that tool, we can't geo-fence.

01:10:00 SPEAKER_017: In other words, okay.

01:10:01 SPEAKER_017: That's what that's called.

01:10:03 SPEAKER_017: Yeah, show me all the calls in here.

01:10:04 SPEAKER_017: We can do an individual address and say, tell me all the calls that happened at—yeah, whatever that address is.

01:10:10 SPEAKER_017: We can also do some free-text searching, like all the calls that contain this word, sort of thing.

01:10:15 SPEAKER_017: But there's some limitations.

01:10:16 SPEAKER_017: So yes, to delineate the River District and say show me old calls there.

01:10:21 SPEAKER_017: Yes, the software that we look at.

01:10:24 SPEAKER_020: I just got an email from the individual from that company to say we're next on the line for.

01:10:28 SPEAKER_020: Okay, that's good.

01:10:29 SPEAKER_020: That was yesterday.

01:10:30 SPEAKER_048: It was currently a circumstance and situation where we're getting increased calls for service in a particular geographic area.

01:10:38 SPEAKER_048: We are getting concerns from the public that are coming through mayor and council and to the police services as well.

01:10:45 SPEAKER_048: We have a particular business community that's impacted by some of these concerns.

01:10:51 SPEAKER_048: So basically, who owns this moving forward for solutions?

01:10:57 SPEAKER_048: I mean, who will take the—who?

01:11:00 SPEAKER_048: Who will move this?

01:11:01 SPEAKER_048: I mean, is it city?

01:11:02 SPEAKER_048: Is it police?

01:11:03 SPEAKER_048: Is it River District as a board?

01:11:06 SPEAKER_048: Because otherwise, we—we can discuss this ongoing, but who is going to be spark plug?

01:11:13 SPEAKER_048: Who says let's draw people together and have this conversation and figure out what we're going to do.

01:11:18 SPEAKER_048: We know it's escalating.

01:11:21 SPEAKER_048: I no, that's fine.

01:11:23 SPEAKER_048: I was pleased to see that you shared what you got in writing,

01:11:27 SPEAKER_048: and I was surprised to hear from John that a number of people—and I know this just echoes—I have heard from hundreds of people, literally business owners.

01:11:37 SPEAKER_048: Everything else downtown is where the problem is.

01:11:42 SPEAKER_090: That's where all the services are that are basically doing nothing, and I'm referring to like Safe and Sound and those services.

01:11:49 SPEAKER_090: They're band-aids.

01:11:51 SPEAKER_090: The wellness centre actually takes a person in and helps to restore them and get them back into.

01:11:58 SPEAKER_090: They've got 45 beds.

01:11:59 SPEAKER_090: Those beds are full.

01:12:01 SPEAKER_090: Yeah, they are.

01:12:02 SPEAKER_090: So when this is just my opinion of service like Safe and Sound, they're actually enabling people to live on the street and—we want them off the street.

01:12:16 SPEAKER_090: I personally do not feel comfortable walking downtown, daytime or evening.

01:12:23 SPEAKER_090: I just go down, do my business, and I'm—so, as far as I'm concerned, everybody is just looking the other way.

01:12:31 SPEAKER_090: So, if there's a bylaw enforcement officer, how would you contact them?

01:12:36 SPEAKER_090: Where are they?

01:12:38 SPEAKER_090: Where are they?

01:12:38 SPEAKER_090: It's reporting.

01:12:40 SPEAKER_090: Yeah, you go to the city website to.

01:12:40 SPEAKER_090: The city website too.

01:12:42 SPEAKER_090: There's a place called Report a Concern, or actually the Bylaw website, and you have to give your name, who you are, and what you're reporting.

01:12:48 SPEAKER_090: On a Sunday afternoon, I drove up.

01:12:52 SPEAKER_090: Without having—they don't work on Sundays.

01:12:54 SPEAKER_090: Driving home, so I just drive up Main Street.

01:12:58 SPEAKER_090: There, it was cooler.

01:13:00 SPEAKER_090: This was last Sunday, so that everybody's living in doorways on Sunday.

01:13:06 SPEAKER_090: So if there are apartments or businesses up above that—why do they ever use their own door?

01:13:15 SPEAKER_090: Because there's people living in those doors.

01:13:18 SPEAKER_090: Really good point.

01:13:19 SPEAKER_090: And it's really pathetic.

01:13:21 SPEAKER_090: I have traveled five continents.

01:13:23 SPEAKER_090: I've never seen anything like downtown Ontario.

01:13:29 SPEAKER_092: And some of them might say that all other cities in Ontario have it just as bad or worse.

01:13:36 SPEAKER_092: I don't see it.

01:13:38 SPEAKER_006: When they had the hotspot before, it was city initiated.

01:13:43 SPEAKER_006: For yes, that is that correct?

01:13:48 SPEAKER_020: Yes, it's very similar to this.

01:13:52 SPEAKER_020: Right.

01:13:53 SPEAKER_020: We said there's a problem.

01:13:55 SPEAKER_020: There's a problem, and finally, everybody is up in arms, and then something had to be done.

01:14:00 SPEAKER_020: I've said it before.

01:14:01 SPEAKER_020: We can't do it alone, and it's not a police—it's not simply a police solution.

01:14:06 SPEAKER_020: We can't—we can't be there 100% of the time, and we can't be the only agency we call for a solution.

01:14:13 SPEAKER_020: There has to be help.

01:14:14 SPEAKER_020: There has to be others that take the lead, take over.

01:14:17 SPEAKER_020: Speaking to what you're saying, like we've initiated.

01:14:21 SPEAKER_020: We—a year ago we brought it forward to say this is a problem that the board took the lead and implemented it, and—and we still—you know—I'll see Sunday morning.

01:14:32 SPEAKER_020: Bilo's not working.

01:14:33 SPEAKER_020: Bilo works Monday to Friday, eight to four.

01:14:35 SPEAKER_020: Yeah, is that the proper scheduling for VILA?

01:14:39 SPEAKER_020: I don't see it, but that—but that's a—you know, and maybe they're expanding it when they expand their patrol, but we don't see them.

01:14:46 SPEAKER_020: I've never seen a VILA officer on their own, something walking down the street.

01:14:52 SPEAKER_020: I've seen a number of VILA officers.

01:14:55 SPEAKER_020: There's other things.

01:14:57 SPEAKER_020: There's other areas, and it's not my responsibility, but there are other agencies that have to take some responsibility, and—and—we can only do so much.

01:15:06 SPEAKER_006: So if when police are doing their foot patrol, if they see an incident like this, as Mary's explaining, do they just tell the person move along?

01:15:16 SPEAKER_006: Often times, and they'll be—or do they just move them?

01:15:19 SPEAKER_020: Assistance to see where you know, but who it is.

01:15:22 SPEAKER_020: Most of the time, they know who they are.

01:15:23 SPEAKER_020: Yeah, and—and they've dealt with them a number of times in the past, and they'll—they can't be here and move along and find another location.

01:15:33 SPEAKER_020: There's there's an issue we talked about on Monday.

01:15:37 SPEAKER_020: On Monday, a lot of people are pushing shopping carts.

01:15:40 SPEAKER_020: We know that they're not going to push for the shopping carts.

01:15:43 SPEAKER_020: We know they're stolen.

01:15:46 SPEAKER_020: If the person—if if it was somebody's bicycle, if it was a bicycle we knew was stolen, they were riding it, we wouldn't allow them to keep using it or push it or ride it.

01:15:55 SPEAKER_020: What's the difference between that and the shopping cart?

01:15:58 SPEAKER_020: And those—those costs go to everybody else and—people who own the shopping carts, I'm sure don't want—they don't want them back.

01:16:05 SPEAKER_020: So I mean, those are issues that—and then when you do just do something about that, then there's some people who will write to the media and say, "Oh my gosh, look what they did!

01:16:14 SPEAKER_020: We gave them plastic garbage bags and took their shopping cart."

01:16:18 SPEAKER_020: Yes, it's—you know.

01:16:19 SPEAKER_006: And earlier, that was my point.

01:16:21 SPEAKER_006: I can't understand why the River District hasn't tried to initiate something.

01:16:28 SPEAKER_090: It's very—I've seen them with large recycle containers, and they've taken those from whoever, and it's just full of stuff.

01:16:39 SPEAKER_090: But this is a side from that—the people are concerned about the cost of food and whatever, so they're blaming it on tariffs and gas and whatever.

01:16:48 SPEAKER_090: What about the cost of store grocery cards?

01:16:52 SPEAKER_090: Somebody's got to pay for that.

01:16:54 SPEAKER_090: True.

01:16:55 SPEAKER_048: So what we're talking about is a downstream impact without an upstream solution, and the individuals that you—and the circumstances are exactly downstream because it's something that it's going to flow that way.

01:17:09 SPEAKER_048: So I go back to who is the catalyst or drawing a conversation group together or initiating action.

01:17:20 SPEAKER_048: I'm hearing it.

01:17:23 SPEAKER_048: Correct me if I'm wrong.

01:17:24 SPEAKER_048: I could hear—you're not seeing as a policing initiated catalyst, Marian.

01:17:31 SPEAKER_048: You're thinking River District because the impact is primarily River District, and River District Board is part reports or has accountability to the city.

01:17:43 SPEAKER_048: I go back to the fact that we could be discussing and discussing and discussing this.

01:17:47 SPEAKER_048: It's time for us to say enough.

01:17:50 SPEAKER_048: Demands for service and policing is going up.

01:17:53 SPEAKER_048: We know your budget didn't more than—I mean, it went up, but not to the point that you had asked for.

01:18:00 SPEAKER_048: So, how do we initiate this conversation?

01:18:05 SPEAKER_048: We have a councillor sits on River District as a representative, but our public is telling us they want action.

01:18:14 SPEAKER_056: The River District are complaining they've had enough, but they have zero confidence in the city doing anything.

01:18:23 SPEAKER_056: The city is—not doing it.

01:18:25 SPEAKER_056: The city is saying that the county looks after it.

01:18:27 SPEAKER_056: So what?

01:18:28 SPEAKER_056: What is it that the county does?

01:18:29 SPEAKER_056: What?

01:18:30 SPEAKER_056: What is the responsibility?

01:18:32 SPEAKER_056: Ask.

01:18:34 SPEAKER_056: It's what—which question is?

01:18:36 SPEAKER_048: Because others may have more expertise than I do around the county.

01:18:39 SPEAKER_048: Mary, do you know you?

01:18:41 SPEAKER_048: You've sat on county council.

01:18:42 SPEAKER_006: Yes, but the fill-in other than the social services they provide, they've taken over that.

01:18:48 SPEAKER_006: And they're like, but it's even some.

01:18:51 SPEAKER_006: And they're.

01:18:51 SPEAKER_006: And their stop team or whatever it is, and there I've heard the mayor say that the county is the county is looking after it.

01:18:59 SPEAKER_006: It's, but it's it's not being looked after obviously.

01:19:04 SPEAKER_006: Is it?

01:19:04 SPEAKER_006: I'll tell you what the problem is.

01:19:08 SPEAKER_006: There are eighteen great county councillors.

01:19:15 SPEAKER_006: What do sixteen of those councillors have in common with the CAO, the deputy CAO at the county, the director of community services at the county?

01:19:29 SPEAKER_006: All 19 of them wake up in a place not called Owen Sound.

01:19:35 SPEAKER_006: Those are the 19 people that are dictating what we're doing in our city, and the city is letting them do it.

01:19:43 SPEAKER_006: And until that ends, it's just going to keep going.

01:19:48 SPEAKER_006: We don't need any more data.

01:19:50 SPEAKER_101: Like, if I hear one more person ask for data, I'm just like, "What more do we need?"

01:19:57 SPEAKER_101: Like, we've got six-year-old little girls going up on the dance floor, and guys jabbing their arms in front of them.

01:20:05 SPEAKER_101: Like, what more do you need to know after that?

01:20:09 SPEAKER_101: I don't think we need to know any more.

01:20:12 SPEAKER_101: I just think somebody has to take the bull by the horns.

01:20:14 SPEAKER_101: We've got a city that will not come up with a solution.

01:20:19 SPEAKER_016: I think simple: River District, and those people that are concerned need to rise above the surface of the water and make their feelings known.

01:20:30 SPEAKER_016: Right now, it's muted.

01:20:31 SPEAKER_016: It's the way it's being looked at.

01:20:33 SPEAKER_016: I'm assuming it's just on Facebook.

01:20:37 SPEAKER_016: It doesn't count.

01:20:39 SPEAKER_016: It doesn't matter.

01:20:41 SPEAKER_016: It just goes in circles on Facebook.

01:20:43 SPEAKER_090: The perception from business people, individuals, seniors, young people, people with children downtown—is that it's a police issue, and it's not a police issue, as I think Brian nailed it.

01:20:58 SPEAKER_090: The city has to do something.

01:21:01 SPEAKER_090: But I think somebody has to go.

01:21:02 SPEAKER_090: Somebody or a group has to go to the city because we tried it last year.

01:21:06 SPEAKER_090: We tried to initiate something.

01:21:08 SPEAKER_090: It didn't work.

01:21:10 SPEAKER_090: At least I don't think nothing further has come of it.

01:21:12 SPEAKER_090: Yes, yeah.

01:21:14 SPEAKER_090: No, and I just want to elaborate.

01:21:17 SPEAKER_048: We did have a letter from a concerned resident, right?

01:21:22 SPEAKER_048: And that's what we need.

01:21:24 SPEAKER_048: We need the people who are commenting on social media to also move those concerns forward through connecting with the mayor and council, city manager, police chief, because the information that was shared,

01:21:43 SPEAKER_048: which was part of our board package, came from someone who took that next step.

01:21:47 SPEAKER_048: Because social media is an informal information source; it helps you take the temperature sometimes of specific groups,

01:21:57 SPEAKER_048: but having documented concerns formalized through the channels of the City of Owen Sound is a critical step that needs to happen, and we haven't had a lot of those.

01:22:13 SPEAKER_048: We've had some, but not compared to the number of comments you see on social media; it's disproportionate.

01:22:20 SPEAKER_048: So, I believe people care about our community and they want it to improve, and we need to have that documentation because it becomes part of the public record for accountability moving forward.

01:22:34 SPEAKER_048: Right.

01:22:34 SPEAKER_048: So, Carol, that's a fair point, but the problem is it's too easy to get to a keyboard.

01:22:44 SPEAKER_048: Social media, yeah, and people take the easy way out.

01:22:47 SPEAKER_100: Yeah, but if you're a leader in this community, you take a leadership role and you do something about it.

01:22:55 SPEAKER_100: You know, we can't count on the River District to say we're upset.

01:23:00 SPEAKER_100: We can't count on people to come to us like that.

01:23:05 SPEAKER_100: We have enough information.

01:23:08 SPEAKER_100: It's just the City doesn't want to do anything.

01:23:10 SPEAKER_100: Of course, I honestly think somebody has to have the courage to go to the County and say, "Guess what?

01:23:18 SPEAKER_100: You've completely failed us.

01:23:20 SPEAKER_100: We're taking this over."

01:23:23 SPEAKER_100: It's not that hard.

01:23:23 SPEAKER_100: It's called leadership.

01:23:25 SPEAKER_016: Well, I think the people that are being impacted are the ones that need to take the leadership, and I think that's the River District.

01:23:32 SPEAKER_016: I think the River District Board has to wake up and say, "Okay, it didn't work last summer.

01:23:38 SPEAKER_016: We don't think we need to try it again," because the way I look at it is: we were here last July, we moved to here, now we're coming to here.

01:23:53 SPEAKER_016: I don't see any upward trend.

01:23:56 SPEAKER_016: So the River District Board needs to take the leadership because they're the ones being impacted the most, and I'm sure that the police service, police board, Chief Embers,

01:24:05 SPEAKER_016: Police Board Chair supports the action coming out of that, and that's all well and good.

01:24:10 SPEAKER_006: But who gets a spark under the River District?

01:24:16 SPEAKER_048: I don't know if this has ever happened before, but could this board invite that board and have a joint discussion?

01:24:25 SPEAKER_048: I mean, we're talking about them, but they're not part of this table conversation.

01:24:30 SPEAKER_048: And sometimes things have to begin with a conversation.

01:24:33 SPEAKER_048: We all have the same goal.

01:24:35 SPEAKER_048: We can all work together towards the same goal, but none of you sit around the table, and it's not a square table.

01:24:43 SPEAKER_048: And maybe this board could extend an invitation to the River District Board and say, "Okay, what are the possibilities?

01:24:51 SPEAKER_048: We aren't solving it; they're not solving it.

01:24:53 SPEAKER_048: What are the common threads that we can at least start to put some initiative behind?

01:24:58 SPEAKER_048: Let's begin with..."

01:24:59 SPEAKER_048: And I hear what you're saying about data.

01:25:01 SPEAKER_048: Data informs requests like budget increases, but we know we're hearing.

01:25:06 SPEAKER_048: But let's start because otherwise we're going to continue to be talking in silos, and it's time we knock those silos down and cross-border and say this is for our community.

01:25:16 SPEAKER_048: We need to move forward with this.

01:25:18 SPEAKER_048: If I can respond,

01:25:20 SPEAKER_020: I think the conversation would take place and it would be no different than what you're having right now because everybody there is going to agree with the exact same issues and exact same concerns,

01:25:29 SPEAKER_020: and they're going to say, "What do we do?"

01:25:32 SPEAKER_020: Because everybody has the same interest.

01:25:35 SPEAKER_020: That's the problem, and I see it.

01:25:38 SPEAKER_020: There's still going to be the demand for service for the police.

01:25:43 SPEAKER_020: Calls are up five percent.

01:25:44 SPEAKER_020: If I ask for five percent more officers next year, then so be it.

01:25:48 SPEAKER_020: That's what we're going to need because we have to keep track.

01:25:50 SPEAKER_020: And there's a lot of building going on right now.

01:25:53 SPEAKER_020: Well, now every morning you see another apartment building popped up where the buildings are in plain view, and that's going to increase the population as well.

01:26:01 SPEAKER_020: So I mean, there are changes coming to the City as well, and the calls for service keep going up, and we are in a position where, like I said last year, where we need bodies,

01:26:12 SPEAKER_020: and it's not going to change as we add more population to the City.

01:26:16 SPEAKER_020: One of the issues, and you mentioned it, is that the problems are concentrated here because they're by Grey County, yet there's no investment in policing from Grey County,

01:26:28 SPEAKER_020: and the other 16 councillors end up with a blank.

01:26:31 SPEAKER_020: Nobody living in their community, unhoused or home homeless, and they're in the pen because they don't get the meals, they don't get the supports, they don't get the outreach.

01:26:42 SPEAKER_020: The majority of those other communities don't have the problem that we have because everything's concentrated here with the City.

01:26:49 SPEAKER_020: So the councillor on Travis Dobbs, Don.

01:26:53 SPEAKER_048: So further to that, we keep looking for one group to lead, and maybe it's a shared responsibility where there are co-chairs where people start to work together; that might assist in moving this forward.

01:27:07 SPEAKER_048: If we don't make the request, and whether that's the ideal approach or not, or something evolves, but if you always do the same, you can't expect the same result.

01:27:18 SPEAKER_048: This is a system built by us.

01:27:21 SPEAKER_048: We have the ability to change the system.

01:27:23 SPEAKER_048: Let's change the system.

01:27:24 SPEAKER_048: How do you do that?

01:27:25 SPEAKER_048: You start to bring the key players together.

01:27:29 SPEAKER_048: Are they all that should be at the table?

01:27:31 SPEAKER_048: Probably not.

01:27:32 SPEAKER_048: But let's begin.

01:27:33 SPEAKER_048: So I would like to suggest, if the board agrees, to at least extend an invitation to the River District Board, and whether any City reps other than [Name] want to attend,

01:27:43 SPEAKER_048: and let's begin a conversation that starts with shared goals, and then where do we move from here?

01:27:51 SPEAKER_048: Our community needs us to move forward.

01:27:53 SPEAKER_048: Us collectively, where do we move from here?

01:27:58 SPEAKER_048: That's my reading.

01:28:00 SPEAKER_048: But not unlike the truth.

01:28:03 SPEAKER_006: Not unlike the issue we had before with the hot spot, it has to be City-led.

01:28:09 SPEAKER_006: The Council is the elected body to hear the concerns and deal with the concerns and get the right agencies in place, the right layers in place.

01:28:22 SPEAKER_006: So somehow it has to get to Council, and whether it's through our meeting with Council at our June meeting that we bring forward requests that they commence action on what's happening, I don't know.

01:28:44 SPEAKER_006: Because you and I can beat our heads against the wall, and it doesn't go any further.

01:28:52 SPEAKER_114: And I don't disagree with that one little bit, because unless the City is behind this, it's really hard.

01:28:58 SPEAKER_114: Unless the City leads it, that's right.

01:29:02 SPEAKER_114: Not because they just like the other.

01:29:05 SPEAKER_114: However, in the interim, my experience has been that if suggestions come forward to the City from groups that have an interest and ideas come forward,

01:29:14 SPEAKER_048: it gives them a template or meat to work with as well.

01:29:19 SPEAKER_048: Sometimes if you want to change, you want to be the one who gives the message for the change, and that's where...

01:29:25 SPEAKER_048: Sorry.

01:29:26 SPEAKER_048: No, no. Let's go ahead.

01:29:27 SPEAKER_048: We're just seeing the reach was here.

01:29:28 SPEAKER_048: Go ahead.

01:29:30 SPEAKER_048: No, that's good.

01:29:31 SPEAKER_048: I think last year they had everybody together.

01:29:34 SPEAKER_048: They all talked about it.

01:29:35 SPEAKER_090: Then I mean, you can talk all you want, but if nobody does anything, that's my point.

01:29:40 SPEAKER_090: I mean, you just stand your ground.

01:29:42 SPEAKER_090: And that was City-led.

01:29:44 SPEAKER_090: And I'm wondering if that was City-led.

01:29:46 SPEAKER_117: If the River District Board... someone on behalf of the board went to Council.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_117: One of these open meetings that they have, open mic, what are you going to call it?

01:29:56 SPEAKER_117: Public forum.

01:29:58 SPEAKER_117: That starts some discussion, or would it just be...

01:30:02 SPEAKER_006: Well, when it's a public forum, there's no discussion by Council.

01:30:09 SPEAKER_006: It pretty well has to be a debateation.

01:30:12 SPEAKER_006: Yeah, and it's difficult whether you want to discuss it as a closed and free discussion, but you can't really because it doesn't fit the criteria.

01:30:28 SPEAKER_006: Okay, I would argue we're already where that's going to be.

01:30:32 SPEAKER_006: Like I'd love to know what you think.

01:30:34 SPEAKER_100: Like do you think if we go to the River District and they come to the City and they say something to the City or we all get together,

01:30:41 SPEAKER_100: we're all going to end up where we are right now again?

01:30:43 SPEAKER_100: It's you can't say anymore, like we're gonna do all this again, and we're gonna be right back to the same thing.

01:30:53 SPEAKER_100: What are we gonna do about it?

01:30:54 SPEAKER_100: Why don't we just skip all of that and say right now, what are we doing about it?

01:30:59 SPEAKER_100: It's like everybody wants to talk about what's going on, but nobody wants to talk about a solution, and that's really what has to be a solution.

01:31:08 SPEAKER_100: So, and to me, that's the city and police.

01:31:12 SPEAKER_006: Please, then a motion needs to go to council requesting that action be taken to address the issues of complaint in the River District.

01:31:25 SPEAKER_006: Well, what complaints are there?

01:31:27 SPEAKER_006: Are there any documented complaints?

01:31:29 SPEAKER_006: We've got one.

01:31:30 SPEAKER_006: Oh, I thought there was others.

01:31:35 SPEAKER_006: I think there's all kinds.

01:31:37 SPEAKER_006: Well, I mean that's the whole thing.

01:31:38 SPEAKER_006: There's all kinds, whether or not the River District are obvious.

01:31:41 SPEAKER_006: River District obviously has discussed it.

01:31:43 SPEAKER_006: Police have discussed it.

01:31:45 SPEAKER_006: Then the complaints are maybe discussions as opposed to complaints.

01:31:51 SPEAKER_006: On the stuff on social media stays there.

01:31:54 SPEAKER_006: It never gets aired where it should be.

01:31:56 SPEAKER_006: Like this should be the problem.

01:31:57 SPEAKER_006: Seeing it sometimes every week.

01:32:00 SPEAKER_006: So it needs to say complaints along with enforcement of the nuisance bylaw, because there's obviously things in here that fit.

01:32:11 SPEAKER_006: They block the streets.

01:32:16 SPEAKER_006: Yeah, they totally disrupt the city.

01:32:18 SPEAKER_006: It's a beautiful, beautiful city.

01:32:21 SPEAKER_125: I was born here, grew up here, but it's never been like this before.

01:32:27 SPEAKER_125: Why don't we take a five-minute recess?

01:32:29 SPEAKER_125: Risha's here, and we'll fill it back in.

01:32:32 SPEAKER_125: How do we reach you?

01:46:38 SPEAKER_125: All right, call meeting back to order.

01:46:43 SPEAKER_125: Everybody get the treats from Reach.

01:46:44 SPEAKER_125: Move on.

01:46:46 SPEAKER_003: I think we wanted to finish off talking about the issues in the downtown and.

01:46:54 SPEAKER_003: I think we're going to bring that discussion to pretty much a close.

01:46:57 SPEAKER_003: But I think Mary, you had a motion that you wanted to put forward.

01:47:01 SPEAKER_003: Ah, yes, I would.

01:47:03 SPEAKER_003: That I'll just read that.

01:47:05 SPEAKER_090: That in an effort to ensure the continued enjoyment of public and private property for residents, visitors, and property owners in the city,

01:47:15 SPEAKER_090: the OSPSB requests the City of Owen Sound Council take action on concerns raised by the River District Police Service Board, council,

01:47:27 SPEAKER_090: and municipal residents regarding loitering and other social disorder matters taking place in the City of Owen Sound, particularly the River District.

01:47:42 SPEAKER_090: Member, a second for that.

01:47:46 SPEAKER_090: Any discussions?

01:47:48 SPEAKER_090: All in favour?

01:47:49 SPEAKER_090: Aye.

01:47:50 SPEAKER_090: Carried.

01:47:52 SPEAKER_090: Okay.

01:47:53 SPEAKER_090: Thank you very much, and I think we'll um.

01:47:57 SPEAKER_090: I said carried, right?

01:48:05 SPEAKER_090: Yeah.

01:48:06 SPEAKER_090: Digit.

01:48:07 SPEAKER_090: I know we've yeah.

01:48:10 SPEAKER_090: Okay.

01:48:11 SPEAKER_090: Good stuff.

01:48:15 SPEAKER_090: Moving on, item number B: Outside alcohol, BYOB, municipal gatherings.

01:48:21 SPEAKER_090: So there are changes to the alcohol regulations and legislation, and it allows now for bring your own booze to outdoor gatherings and municipal gatherings as long as they're licensed.

01:48:34 SPEAKER_020: There's probably just to update the board that through discussions with the city, they are not going to be licensing or permitting any events at present time in regard to the ability,

01:48:48 SPEAKER_020: and so they're not moving forward with it, so it won't be an issue.

01:48:56 SPEAKER_020: We'll have to deal with it at present time.

01:49:01 SPEAKER_006: So, just to clarify for the public, the process for this: the event organizers would make the request.

01:49:09 SPEAKER_006: Is that correct?

01:49:09 SPEAKER_006: Yeah.

01:49:10 SPEAKER_020: So, the event organizers would make the request, and the city would be gathering the things allowed for.

01:49:15 SPEAKER_020: That they allow for that, and then they would licence it in that form, and they'd be bringing their own alcohol to the event.

01:49:23 SPEAKER_020: But the direction the city is taking is it won't be licensing any events, even if they're requested.

01:49:31 SPEAKER_020: Right.

01:49:32 SPEAKER_129: So if there's a beer garden, and they have a licence for that beer garden, and it's at Kelso, people can't bring their own booze there.

01:49:42 SPEAKER_129: No, they still have to.

01:49:43 SPEAKER_129: Okay, they have to get a separate licence.

01:49:45 SPEAKER_020: So nothing changes to the current, you know, the current festival events licensing kind of place now.

01:49:51 SPEAKER_020: Moving on to item number C: International Association of Chiefs of Police conference, and I put this on the agenda as our governance policy zero-zero-nine, regarding the chief attending conferences only applies to national conferences,

01:50:10 SPEAKER_016: those within Canada, and I as I understand it, this conference will be held in Florida.

01:50:16 SPEAKER_016: So, if I could have a motion to approve the chief's attendance at this international conference, Marian, thank you.

01:50:22 SPEAKER_016: Brian, thank you.

01:50:24 SPEAKER_016: All in favour?

01:50:27 SPEAKER_016: Item number D: Law Enforcement Torch Run.

01:50:31 SPEAKER_016: Yeah.

01:50:31 SPEAKER_016: So, invite to everybody.

01:50:33 SPEAKER_016: Wednesday, June 10th.

01:50:34 SPEAKER_016: We're having the Law Enforcement Torch Run.

01:50:35 SPEAKER_020: I don't know if you saw on the way in, but there's sizes for all the T-shirts.

01:50:40 SPEAKER_020: So, if anybody's interested in assisting, he's interested in assisting.

01:50:42 SPEAKER_020: There, it's twenty-five dollars for registration, and it includes a free T-shirt.

01:50:46 SPEAKER_020: Also, there's the event starts early in the morning, and there's one that runs through Soggy Shores, one runs through Hanover through West Gray.

01:50:54 SPEAKER_020: I don't last year was Chatsworth as well.

01:50:57 SPEAKER_017: Actually, they dropped Chatsworth and added Concordon this year.

01:50:59 SPEAKER_017: So Concordon is new.

01:51:01 SPEAKER_017: Okay, so I know they had a meeting on that yesterday afternoon.

01:51:03 SPEAKER_020: So they've added Concordon and then Hanover and West Gray, and then back here for lunch for a barbecue.

01:51:09 SPEAKER_020: Um, if anybody's interested in joining, uh, in just even the run/walk from One Sound, please join us up to One Sound District Secondary School,

01:51:19 SPEAKER_020: and or if anyone wants to join and help at the barbecue following for all the athletes, and the people who participate, uh,

01:51:26 SPEAKER_020: you can assist with the barbecue or whatever in whatever capacity you would like, and just putting it out there for anybody who's aware wants to participate.

01:51:34 SPEAKER_020: I know that we're short of barbecue, and normally does so.

01:51:38 SPEAKER_020: I've been assigned.

01:51:39 SPEAKER_020: Yeah.

01:51:40 SPEAKER_020: So and Greg's probably not the best one for barbecue.

01:51:44 SPEAKER_020: So we'll.

01:51:44 SPEAKER_020: That's not.

01:51:46 SPEAKER_020: You're looking for helpers to work at the barbecue.

01:51:50 SPEAKER_020: Yeah.

01:51:53 SPEAKER_020: On June 10th.

01:51:55 SPEAKER_020: Yeah.

01:51:56 SPEAKER_020: I could do that.

01:51:58 SPEAKER_020: I can help with that.

01:52:00 SPEAKER_020: Yeah.

01:52:00 SPEAKER_020: With those burgers.

01:52:02 SPEAKER_020: Good burgers and hot dogs.

01:52:03 SPEAKER_020: I can't cook all stuff the buns.

01:52:05 SPEAKER_020: Yeah.

01:52:05 SPEAKER_020: That's.

01:52:06 SPEAKER_020: Who's going to man the support car vehicle?

01:52:12 SPEAKER_020: What's up?

01:52:13 SPEAKER_020: Well, last year we had a problem with the motorcycle, so we should probably operators out of the country for this event.

01:52:20 SPEAKER_020: I missed the run and head over on a wait for the tow truck somewhere outside of Walker.

01:52:30 SPEAKER_020: There, all right.

01:52:31 SPEAKER_020: Had me on the boards looking to entertain a request to replace the motorcycles like to have a ride on it.

01:52:39 SPEAKER_006: So, what time should we be there?

01:52:48 SPEAKER_006: I will have our mailman let you know that.

01:52:50 SPEAKER_006: Okay.

01:52:51 SPEAKER_006: I think it's around eleven.

01:52:55 SPEAKER_006: Oh, me or not?

01:52:57 SPEAKER_006: So we meet here at eleven.

01:52:58 SPEAKER_006: No, up at all right.

01:52:59 SPEAKER_006: Up at up at the S.S. Right.

01:53:01 SPEAKER_006: Yeah.

01:53:02 SPEAKER_048: It was really great last year just to be with the walkers and runners as they went up to the barbecue.

01:53:09 SPEAKER_048: Just the enthusiasm that they brought forward was just amazing.

01:53:13 SPEAKER_048: So they walked the hills faster than I did.

01:53:16 SPEAKER_048: Oh, amazing!

01:53:20 SPEAKER_048: Yeah, it was really heartwarming to be part of that.

01:53:23 SPEAKER_048: Certainly, so I certainly had fun.

01:53:26 SPEAKER_048: And so, if anybody is interested in the T-shirt, you have to register ahead of time.

01:53:29 SPEAKER_020: There are forms there by the inviting.

01:53:32 SPEAKER_020: I just want to buy a T-shirt.

01:53:34 SPEAKER_020: I'm not walking to the hills.

01:53:36 SPEAKER_020: Couple that, yeah.

01:53:37 SPEAKER_020: Cancel that day.

01:53:39 SPEAKER_020: Just register.

01:53:41 SPEAKER_020: Not an extra T-shirt.

01:53:43 SPEAKER_020: My boy, Mary, just.

01:53:48 SPEAKER_020: Sizers they do tend to fit large.

01:53:50 SPEAKER_020: Just unfortunately.

01:53:53 SPEAKER_020: All right, moving on to item E: CSP aggregate disciplinary report.

01:54:01 SPEAKER_017: Okay, that is one that by now you've seen a few times.

01:54:05 SPEAKER_017: CSBA requires the chief to file an aggregate disciplinary report biannually, so you have to receive it prior to June 1st and December 1st of each year.

01:54:15 SPEAKER_017: So you've now had several.

01:54:18 SPEAKER_017: This will be the June 1st version, and there is no nothing to report basically on this one.

01:54:24 SPEAKER_017: So during this time period, the chief of police did not impose any disciplinary measures that would require this report to be triggered.

01:54:32 SPEAKER_017: So, if the board receives that report, this is one of the several that also carries an obligation for us to publicize it on our website.

01:54:43 SPEAKER_017: So we have a link, I think, under the board section, Caleb.

01:54:48 SPEAKER_017: But we have several of these, so this one will just need to get posted once received.

01:54:58 SPEAKER_017: All right.

01:54:59 SPEAKER_017: Moving on to item number F: Zone Five meeting.

01:55:02 SPEAKER_017: Turn this over to Kayla.

01:55:04 SPEAKER_069: For the upcoming Zone Five meeting that we are hosting on October 8th, Amy and I toured both the County Upgrade Council Chambers and the Sydenham Campus as potential venues.

01:55:14 SPEAKER_069: After reviewing the space requirements and lunch arrangements for the anticipated number of attendees, we believe that the Sydenham Campus is a more suitable option.

01:55:22 SPEAKER_069: The Sydenham Campus includes a kitchen that can be used during the event and allows lunch to be served in the same space and it can be consumed in the same room.

01:55:32 SPEAKER_069: In comparison to the council chambers, it provides appropriate seating, but you're not able to eat in there.

01:55:39 SPEAKER_069: So they have two additional rooms, which would make it easier to host everybody and be able to provide the food in there.

01:55:47 SPEAKER_029: So it just just keeping in mind at the beginning, there's combined the chiefs of police and only.

01:55:54 SPEAKER_029: Police and Zone Five directors, and then they split off into separate rooms for meetings.

01:56:01 SPEAKER_029: This should still be empty, an empty space.

01:56:04 SPEAKER_029: And then at that point in time, sometimes they get all back together for lunch, or otherwise, well, yeah, they'd all come back to the central location for lunch.

01:56:12 SPEAKER_029: But there has to be a separate room for them to meet.

01:56:15 SPEAKER_029: Okay.

01:56:16 SPEAKER_006: One thing I like about that is the opportunity for people to wander into the maker space and have a view of what's going on there.

01:56:26 SPEAKER_006: Just it's pretty neat.

01:56:28 SPEAKER_006: True, but there should be another empty room up there at the Sydney campus.

01:56:33 SPEAKER_006: Okay, I will.

01:56:34 SPEAKER_006: They have classrooms and things down there.

01:56:38 SPEAKER_006: Just so you know what's going to happen.

01:56:41 SPEAKER_006: There's probably 25 chiefs.

01:56:43 SPEAKER_006: Twenty-five people.

01:56:44 SPEAKER_006: Yeah.

01:56:45 SPEAKER_006: Okay.

01:56:45 SPEAKER_006: In total, fifteen.

01:56:47 SPEAKER_069: Just with lunch, it would be easier to have everybody come back together.

01:56:52 SPEAKER_069: Yeah.

01:56:52 SPEAKER_069: Yeah.

01:56:52 SPEAKER_069: We can have it out in the space, and then there is a screen, and you can have video if you need to have it.

01:56:59 SPEAKER_069: It's all able to be hooked up there.

01:57:01 SPEAKER_069: Is there internet available?

01:57:02 SPEAKER_069: Yes, it's the same internet as the county.

01:57:04 SPEAKER_069: So Zoom, yeah.

01:57:05 SPEAKER_069: Yes.

01:57:05 SPEAKER_069: Yeah.

01:57:07 SPEAKER_069: Yeah.

01:57:08 SPEAKER_069: And if we needed IT, we would just let you know; it would come in from the county.

01:57:12 SPEAKER_069: Okay.

01:57:12 SPEAKER_069: We had any issues?

01:57:13 SPEAKER_069: Sorry.

01:57:13 SPEAKER_069: Do I need a motion to go ahead with that, or can we?

01:57:17 SPEAKER_006: I'll make a motion that you proceed to the Sydney campus.

01:57:22 SPEAKER_006: Is that correct, Mary?

01:57:25 SPEAKER_006: Thanking.

01:57:28 SPEAKER_006: All in favour?

01:57:32 SPEAKER_003: Moving on to item number H: Taxi licence application for Platinum Taxi, and this report is to advise you that under the requirements of the Owen Sound Transportation Bylaw,

01:57:44 SPEAKER_003: Chief Ambrose has approved a taxi licence for Platinum Taxi, and all the background checks and everything else have been done and completed, and everything's in line.

01:58:01 SPEAKER_003: Moving on to item number I: Ontario Police Fitness Award (OPFA) Incentives.

01:58:09 SPEAKER_020: Yeah, so as you can see in the report, obviously falls in line with our Chief Fairley's members with us.

01:58:16 SPEAKER_020: Members with us and members' sustainability, but really the big push for the police fitness award annually.

01:58:26 SPEAKER_020: And we now have somebody in-house that can administer the testing, so we're looking at increasing our participation in that.

01:58:34 SPEAKER_020: And several other agencies provide incentives for their members to participate, and either in the form of swag and gifts, or time off, or something like that.

01:58:46 SPEAKER_020: And like some time to take in the future, but at least covering the time that they spend doing the testing.

01:58:55 SPEAKER_020: So just bringing that forward to the board, looking for some input.

01:58:58 SPEAKER_020: You know, it varies considerably.

01:59:01 SPEAKER_020: Some of them were $3,000 a year bonus, which I think is pretty excessive, and that would be something if they're looking for that.

01:59:09 SPEAKER_020: That would be important.

01:59:10 SPEAKER_020: But some smaller incentive for participating.

01:59:14 SPEAKER_020: Consider that's in the form of swag or time.

01:59:21 SPEAKER_020: Why do you choose time?

01:59:22 SPEAKER_020: Is unless you have the staffing, you don't put time back.

01:59:27 SPEAKER_020: I just prefer swag.

01:59:32 SPEAKER_020: Any thoughts?

01:59:33 SPEAKER_020: Other thoughts from the agenda?

01:59:34 SPEAKER_020: Thank you, Chair.

01:59:35 SPEAKER_048: Some organisations will actually allow a certain monetary award to be donated, in recognition of that, to a charity or support agency of the individual's choice.

01:59:51 SPEAKER_048: So it's a way; it's a win-win.

01:59:54 SPEAKER_048: You know, the community agencies win, and the individual wins through the fitness and the acknowledgement, and they choose who they'd like to donate to.

02:00:04 SPEAKER_048: So, has that ever been considered?

02:00:06 SPEAKER_048: Sometimes it's five hundred dollars.

02:00:08 SPEAKER_048: It can be whatever figure, but they get the privilege of choosing who they want to support, as well.

02:00:15 SPEAKER_048: And I didn't know if that had ever been considered as an option as far as incentives.

02:00:21 SPEAKER_048: I haven't really thought about it.

02:00:22 SPEAKER_048: But with forty officers at five hundred dollars, that'd be twenty thousand dollars.

02:00:26 SPEAKER_048: Sorry, I just used that as... yeah.