Grey County Committee of the Whole Meeting Transcript — October 23, 2025

00:28:21 Speaker 06: to switch over. Okay, I'd like

00:28:25 Speaker 06: to call to order this committee.

00:28:26 Speaker 06: The whole meeting of October twenty

00:28:29 Speaker 06: third, twenty twenty five. At this

00:28:30 Speaker 06: point in time, I'll put out

00:28:31 Speaker 06: a call for any declarations of

00:28:33 Speaker 06: interest on this agenda. See no

00:28:35 Speaker 06: hands. We will proceed. Business arising

00:28:36 Speaker 06: for minutes. See no hands. We

00:28:37 Speaker 06: will proceed. We do not have

00:28:40 Speaker 06: any delegations this morning, and so

00:28:43 Speaker 06: at this point in time, we

00:28:47 Speaker 06: can have a look at the.

00:28:49 Speaker 06: five items that are listed under

00:28:50 Speaker 06: Section Six in terms of the

00:28:52 Speaker 06: consent agenda, and I'll put out

00:28:54 Speaker 06: a call if there are any

00:28:56 Speaker 06: that any committee, the whole members

00:28:57 Speaker 06: wish to pull for separate discussion.

00:29:00 Speaker 06: Looking for hands, seeing no hands.

00:29:02 Speaker 06: All right, then, it is recommended,

00:29:04 Speaker 06: Item Six. It is recommended that

00:29:06 Speaker 06: the following consent items be received,

00:29:08 Speaker 06: and that staff be authorised to

00:29:10 Speaker 06: take actions necessary to give effect

00:29:14 Speaker 06: to the recommendations in the staff

00:29:18 Speaker 06: reports, and that the correspondence be.

00:29:23 Speaker 06: supported or received for information, as

00:29:26 Speaker 18: recommended in the consent agenda. That's

00:29:28 Speaker 18: all five items. May ask for

00:29:31 Speaker 18: a mover and a seconder. Move

00:29:32 Speaker 18: by Councillor Hutchinson, seconded by we'll

00:29:37 Speaker 18: take Councillor Pringle, and on the

00:29:38 Speaker 18: floor for discussion. Any discussion? Yes.

00:29:40 Speaker 18: Sorry, Councillor Greg. I think it

00:29:41 Speaker 18: well. It's contained within the consent

00:29:45 Speaker 18: agenda. It's worth noting the positive

00:29:46 Speaker 18: news. from the expansion of

00:29:49 Speaker 18: Viking Sipes in Mount Forest is

00:29:51 Speaker 18: part of the item four or

00:29:54 Speaker 18: five there in the consent agenda.

00:29:56 Speaker 18: There's no questions to be asked

00:29:59 Speaker 18: to it, but it's certainly positive

00:30:07 Speaker 18: news for Mount Forest and and

00:30:09 Speaker 18: Gray County and the surrounding area

00:30:12 Speaker 02: there to see expansion of manufacturing

00:30:14 Speaker 02: facility, particularly in these times when

00:30:16 Speaker 02: we've had so much tariff and

00:30:21 Speaker 02: and challenge in terms of growing

00:30:23 Speaker 02: domestically. So. great to see that

00:30:26 Speaker 02: that expansion so close by. Uh,

00:30:29 Speaker 02: thank, thank you, thank you for

00:30:30 Speaker 02: highlighting that item. All right, anything

00:30:32 Speaker 02: else? All right, I'll call the

00:30:35 Speaker 02: question. Then, all those in favour,

00:30:37 Speaker 02: and that motion is carried. Next,

00:30:39 Speaker 02: we'll move on then to item

00:30:41 Speaker 02: seven A. It's recommended that report

00:30:43 Speaker 02: P S. That report PSRCW zero

00:30:44 Speaker 02: eight twenty five be received and

00:30:47 Speaker 02: that staff be directed to begin

00:30:49 Speaker 02: necessary background studies at the former

00:30:52 Speaker 02: Patrol D location in Dundalk to

00:30:53 Speaker 02: inform the development of of a

00:30:56 Speaker 02: new paramedic space at the location

00:30:57 Speaker 02: and that staff be directed to

00:30:58 Speaker 02: establish a project budget in advance

00:31:00 Speaker 02: of the twenty twenty six budget

00:31:02 Speaker 02: process of two million four hundred

00:31:04 Speaker 02: seventy two thousand dollars to be

00:31:06 Speaker 02: funded by debenture and that an

00:31:31 Speaker 02: RFP be issued prior to twenty

00:31:34 Speaker 02: twenty six Prior to 2026 budget

00:31:50 Speaker 02: approval, so with that, then I

00:31:52 Speaker 19: will look for a mover and

00:31:56 Speaker 20: a seconder to get it on

00:31:57 Speaker 20: the floor to begin. Moved by

00:32:00 Speaker 20: Councillor Carleton, seconded by Councillor Mackie.

00:32:02 Speaker 20: It's now on the floor for

00:32:04 Speaker 20: discussion, and we'll begin with Director

00:32:07 Speaker 20: McNab. I think of this problem

00:32:08 Speaker 20: all the time. I can see

00:32:10 Speaker 20: it. Good morning, Warden County Council.

00:32:13 Speaker 20: Here today to talk about the

00:32:15 Speaker 20: Dundalk Aromatic Base. Currently in Gray

00:32:18 Speaker 20: County, we own eight bases or

00:32:19 Speaker 20: lease bases to make up the

00:32:21 Speaker 20: eight. And currently, we're in the

00:32:23 Speaker 20: process of moving forward with building

00:32:25 Speaker 20: of the Feversham Base as a

00:32:30 Speaker 20: part of the comprehensive deployment review

00:32:32 Speaker 20: that took place in 22 and

00:32:34 Speaker 20: into 2023. Part of that was

00:32:35 Speaker 20: to build additional bases throughout the

00:32:38 Speaker 20: county. The deployment review looked at

00:32:39 Speaker 20: the current bases. Looked at the

00:32:42 Speaker 20: current base locations and determined they

00:32:45 Speaker 20: were in the right location. With

00:32:48 Speaker 20: Dundalk being located right in the

00:32:52 Speaker 20: town of Dundalk, and then being

00:32:54 Speaker 20: able to have places for analysts

00:32:57 Speaker 20: to park to match the resources

00:32:59 Speaker 20: that were coming. Part of the

00:33:01 Speaker 20: plan was to add additional bases

00:33:05 Speaker 20: throughout the county to reduce response

00:33:08 Speaker 20: times in our rural areas. So

00:33:10 Speaker 20: the plan being, Feversham was in

00:33:13 Speaker 20: 2025, and then 2025, and then

00:33:15 Speaker 20: Eton in 2026. Eighton in 2026,

00:33:17 Speaker 20: Thorburnberry in 2027, and Cobble Beach

00:33:18 Speaker 20: in 2028, and then there was

00:33:20 Speaker 20: Holstein. I believe it's 2031, but

00:33:22 Speaker 20: in 2023 we removed that base

00:33:25 Speaker 20: at this time, just to to

00:33:27 Speaker 20: budget reductions. So earlier this year,

00:33:29 Speaker 20: we were formally notified that due

00:33:31 Speaker 20: to growth in in Dundalk, that

00:33:33 Speaker 20: the fire department would be requiring

00:33:35 Speaker 20: the use of their full hall

00:33:37 Speaker 20: to hold the fire. Uh, to

00:33:43 Speaker 20: hold the fire trucks needed for

00:33:45 Speaker 20: to deliver service in their area,

00:33:48 Speaker 20: and this picture on the screen

00:33:50 Speaker 20: is where our current base is

00:33:54 Speaker 20: now. Uh, we have the the

00:33:58 Speaker 20: door that's marked there, and we

00:34:00 Speaker 20: occupied the bottom right corner of

00:34:02 Speaker 20: that building. Uh, we've been there

00:34:04 Speaker 20: since 2004, and it's been a

00:34:05 Speaker 20: great location and cool habited with

00:34:09 Speaker 20: the fire department. Uh, quite nicely

00:34:12 Speaker 20: there. The uh, because of the

00:34:15 Speaker 20: move, uh, we have. Of the

00:34:18 Speaker 20: move, we have been looking at

00:34:21 Speaker 20: other areas within Dundalk, and this

00:34:24 Speaker 20: area is owned by the County

00:34:26 Speaker 20: of Gray, just off of Gray

00:34:28 Speaker 20: Street and Glenelg. Across access from

00:34:31 Speaker 20: Glenelg and Gray Street West, you

00:34:33 Speaker 20: can see there. That's the area

00:34:35 Speaker 20: of the old salt dome, as

00:34:36 Speaker 20: well as there's some open land

00:34:39 Speaker 20: in that area. There, there is

00:34:41 Speaker 20: an operations facility there that for

00:34:44 Speaker 20: the transportation. department for winter operations,

00:34:45 Speaker 20: there's no proposed changes at this

00:34:48 Speaker 20: time. When we brought this report

00:34:49 Speaker 20: back in February, as a part

00:34:51 Speaker 20: of the acquisition of the Fever

00:34:57 Speaker 20: Sham land, we did bring up

00:35:00 Speaker 20: about this potential as a as

00:35:03 Speaker 20: a that was going to be

00:35:05 Speaker 20: happening in the Dundalk area, and

00:35:06 Speaker 20: at that time we wondered about

00:35:10 Speaker 20: you know converting that place. We

00:35:11 Speaker 20: have done preliminary looks at this

00:35:18 Speaker 20: with. our in-house architect, and it's

00:35:21 Speaker 20: determined that there will be significant

00:35:23 Speaker 20: costs to be have to renovate

00:35:24 Speaker 20: that building, and most likely not

00:35:26 Speaker 20: a good option this time to

00:35:29 Speaker 20: renovate that versus building a base.

00:35:30 Speaker 20: So, pending further site analysis, we

00:35:32 Speaker 20: we feel that the best option

00:35:34 Speaker 20: would be is to build on

00:35:36 Speaker 20: the open area of the land

00:35:38 Speaker 20: at that depot. Again, keeping in

00:35:39 Speaker 20: mind that all the Keeping in

00:35:40 Speaker 20: mind if all the testing was

00:35:42 Speaker 20: back okay with that location, with

00:35:44 Speaker 20: the review next year happening if

00:35:45 Speaker 20: it gets approved with the budget,

00:35:47 Speaker 20: we understand that this is a

00:36:00 Speaker 20: lot of pressure with bases building

00:36:01 Speaker 01: going forward, and that's one thing

00:36:02 Speaker 01: that we will commit to do.

00:36:03 Speaker 02: Is part of this is to

00:36:06 Speaker 02: look at our base builds over

00:36:08 Speaker 02: the next coming years with eight

00:36:10 Speaker 02: eight and starting next year, and

00:36:11 Speaker 02: to ensure that you know. that

00:36:13 Speaker 02: but the plan that we have

00:36:15 Speaker 02: in place is still required based

00:36:20 Speaker 02: upon call volume, and the requirements

00:36:25 Speaker 02: are still there. So we would

00:36:27 Speaker 15: hope to have that report back

00:36:29 Speaker 15: later next year. Okay, thank you

00:36:31 Speaker 15: very much. I'm just going to

00:36:33 Speaker 15: ask the deputy CEO if he'd

00:36:37 Speaker 15: like to add on anything before

00:36:39 Speaker 15: we get started, or okay, but

00:36:43 Speaker 15: he's on standby to to add.

00:36:45 Speaker 15: On standby to to answer questions

00:36:50 Speaker 15: depending on the nature of the

00:36:53 Speaker 15: questions. So, with that, then we'll

00:36:55 Speaker 15: put put it out to committee,

00:36:58 Speaker 15: the whole members, and we'll begin

00:37:06 Speaker 15: with Councillor McKay. Yes, thanks, Chief

00:37:09 Speaker 15: Warden Kevin. Is there any thought

00:37:10 Speaker 20: on the Dundalk base and the

00:37:14 Speaker 20: Feversham base? Are they to get

00:37:17 Speaker 20: put one in between, or are

00:37:18 Speaker 20: they too far apart? And just

00:37:20 Speaker 20: a follow up is if. we

00:37:22 Speaker 20: have to build a new base

00:37:27 Speaker 20: for Dundalk this year, would the

00:37:31 Speaker 20: other bases be put off for

00:37:31 Speaker 20: by a year? Are you thinking

00:37:35 Speaker 20: build build one in this year

00:37:37 Speaker 20: and build another one next year?

00:37:41 Speaker 20: So you'd have two bases built

00:37:44 Speaker 20: within that budget year. So just

00:37:46 Speaker 20: a thought. I believe the first

00:37:47 Speaker 20: question around Dundalk, where it is,

00:37:50 Speaker 20: there is a significant open area

00:37:53 Speaker 20: to the west of Dundalk, that

00:37:55 Speaker 20: between Mount Forest and Dundalk into

00:37:56 Speaker 20: that area. So, moving if you

00:37:59 Speaker 20: move closer to Feversham, I think

00:38:00 Speaker 20: you would pull away more from

00:38:02 Speaker 20: that southwest area of the county.

00:38:03 Speaker 20: So, I'm not sure if we're

00:38:06 Speaker 20: going any further that way. would

00:38:07 Speaker 20: be advisable as far as response

00:38:14 Speaker 20: times go into the mid portion

00:38:15 Speaker 20: of Southgate. As far as building

00:38:18 Speaker 21: bases, yes, we already have Fieberheim

00:38:22 Speaker 21: on the way, and this would

00:38:24 Speaker 21: be a second one through 26.

00:38:26 Speaker 21: There is eight in schedule for

00:38:28 Speaker 21: 2026, and we have talked here

00:38:30 Speaker 18: about you know whether you know

00:38:33 Speaker 18: with the comprehensive deployment review looking

00:38:35 Speaker 18: at that, and then where we

00:38:37 Speaker 18: go from there, making sure that.

00:38:40 Speaker 18: our our decisions are sound. Now

00:38:43 Speaker 18: that we're four years into the

00:38:44 Speaker 18: plan, that might be something that

00:38:46 Speaker 18: we could look at pushing bases

00:38:50 Speaker 18: out further. Okay, thank you. Look

00:38:53 Speaker 18: around the room for any other

00:38:55 Speaker 18: questions, and we'll go to Councillor

00:38:57 Speaker 18: Greg. Thank you. Thanks for the

00:39:00 Speaker 18: presentation, Kevin. Just a couple questions.

00:39:01 Speaker 18: One, probably to finance. Just to

00:39:03 Speaker 18: speak to the debentures. Do we

00:39:05 Speaker 18: have any debentures coming off the

00:39:07 Speaker 18: books in the next year or

00:39:10 Speaker 18: two? This is and and then

00:39:14 Speaker 18: in terms of how we're financing

00:39:17 Speaker 18: this debenture, it doesn't explicitly say.

00:39:19 Speaker 18: I don't think in the report

00:39:20 Speaker 18: how long the debentures for. I

00:39:23 Speaker 18: presume it's probably fifteen years. Just

00:39:24 Speaker 18: at a high level, looking at

00:39:25 Speaker 18: the the rough numbers. And Kevin,

00:39:31 Speaker 18: just wondering as we try to

00:39:32 Speaker 18: optimize and make best use of.

00:39:34 Speaker 18: resources. It's great news that we

00:39:35 Speaker 18: have the property that you're looking

00:39:37 Speaker 18: at. That's a county-owned property. But

00:39:38 Speaker 18: was there any consideration to expand

00:39:40 Speaker 20: working with the town of Southgate

00:39:42 Speaker 20: and expanding the existing building? What

00:39:43 Speaker 20: type of cost comparison that might

00:39:45 Speaker 20: have created? Was that because this

00:39:47 Speaker 20: is an unplanned expenditure at this

00:39:48 Speaker 20: time? It wasn't in the deployment.

00:39:50 Speaker 20: So I guess that's those are

00:39:55 Speaker 20: my first two questions, and then

00:39:57 Speaker 20: just a follow-up. Thanks, Jordan. Thank

00:40:07 Speaker 20: you, Jordan. That I don't know

00:40:12 Speaker 19: about adding on to the base.

00:40:14 Speaker 22: Whether they they'll need to add

00:40:16 Speaker 22: on themselves, I'm not sure. I'd

00:40:17 Speaker 22: have to ask that question about

00:40:22 Speaker 22: if there's something that could be

00:40:25 Speaker 22: added on there, on top of

00:40:28 Speaker 22: that, or if they're if they're

00:40:30 Speaker 22: actually building on beyond that themselves.

00:40:32 Speaker 22: So I'll have to I'll have

00:40:34 Speaker 22: to ask that question. As far

00:40:36 Speaker 22: as the the venture time, I

00:40:37 Speaker 22: mean, the commander will assist with

00:40:43 Speaker 22: that. I think our first venture.

00:40:45 Speaker 22: I think our first adventure coming

00:40:46 Speaker 22: off would be Tatsworth based on

00:40:49 Speaker 22: the. Thank you through you, Madam

00:40:51 Speaker 22: Warden. Um, our apologies, we did

00:40:53 Speaker 22: miss putting the the term of

00:41:02 Speaker 22: the proposed adventure in there, and

00:41:04 Speaker 22: it would be a twenty five

00:41:05 Speaker 22: year. That's um, and with regard

00:41:08 Speaker 22: to any um debt. Any debt

00:41:11 Speaker 22: coming off, we have an internally

00:41:12 Speaker 22: financed debt that was just over

00:41:14 Speaker 22: seven point two million for the

00:41:17 Speaker 22: renovation and addition to this building.

00:41:19 Speaker 07: It comes off in twenty thirty

00:41:21 Speaker 07: one, and that'll be the first

00:41:25 Speaker 07: one that matures. Sorry, Gray Gable's

00:41:27 Speaker 07: roof. We it matures in twenty

00:41:29 Speaker 07: thirty, so that was a self

00:41:33 Speaker 07: financed as well when we replaced

00:41:34 Speaker 07: the shingled roof with a steel

00:41:36 Speaker 07: roof, and then Chatsworth. matures in

00:41:39 Speaker 07: twenty thirty one as well. Oh,

00:41:41 Speaker 07: sorry, Councillor Greg. Um, the CAO

00:41:42 Speaker 07: would like to add something before

00:41:44 Speaker 07: I go back to you. Just,

00:41:46 Speaker 07: just further to the question with

00:41:48 Speaker 07: respect to whether or not there's

00:41:50 Speaker 07: the potential to potentially add to

00:41:53 Speaker 07: the the existing fire hall. So,

00:41:56 Speaker 07: um, obviously they, as Kevin's indicated,

00:41:58 Speaker 07: the fire department requires the existing.

00:41:59 Speaker 07: space that we currently occupy. Based

00:42:01 Speaker 07: on what we're seeing from from

00:42:05 Speaker 07: a potential growth and what the

00:42:07 Speaker 07: growth was happening in around Dundalk

00:42:12 Speaker 07: area, you know, anticipate you know

00:42:14 Speaker 07: there could be some further expansion

00:42:15 Speaker 07: opportunities with the fire department say

00:42:17 Speaker 07: in in the future. Plus, for

00:42:19 Speaker 07: for even for our own base

00:42:25 Speaker 07: in terms of be able to

00:42:30 Speaker 07: respond to increased response times that

00:42:34 Speaker 07: we anticipate happening in around the

00:42:36 Speaker 22: Dundalk area. So, from a long

00:42:39 Speaker 22: term perspective, this. Long-term perspective, this

00:42:43 Speaker 22: probably is is our and why

00:42:46 Speaker 22: staff are recommending a new base,

00:42:52 Speaker 22: a new standalone facility to to

00:42:54 Speaker 22: operate. But again, we're happy to

00:42:56 Speaker 22: take any direction from council in

00:42:58 Speaker 22: terms of exploring any other options

00:43:00 Speaker 22: with with Southgate about potential expansion

00:43:03 Speaker 22: if the land is available to

00:43:06 Speaker 22: be able to do that. Thank

00:43:09 Speaker 22: you. What are the annualized payments

00:43:11 Speaker 22: on those? You mentioned seven point

00:43:14 Speaker 22: two million for the county renovations.

00:43:18 Speaker 22: Just wondering what the annualized payment

00:43:20 Speaker 22: is, and yeah, I'll leave it

00:43:25 Speaker 22: that. That first question. Through you,

00:43:26 Speaker 22: Madam Warden. The debenture payment for

00:43:29 Speaker 22: this building is seven hundred six

00:43:32 Speaker 22: thousand five hundred thirty nine dollars,

00:43:35 Speaker 22: and that, of course, has no

00:43:41 Speaker 22: subsidy on it. For the Chatsworth

00:43:44 Speaker 22: base, the payment that self-financed is

00:43:46 Speaker 22: sixty-five thousand four hundred and twenty-four

00:43:50 Speaker 22: dollars. I'd have to look at

00:43:53 Speaker 22: our budget for this year, so

00:43:58 Speaker 22: we would get fifty percent. Sorry,

00:44:00 Speaker 22: we don't get any subsidy on

00:44:09 Speaker 22: that one because we self-financed it.

00:44:11 Speaker 22: Gray Gables, the payment is seventy-three

00:44:13 Speaker 22: thousand two hundred and thirty-four dollars,

00:44:16 Speaker 18: and again, that's a hundred percent

00:44:18 Speaker 18: municipal. 100% municipal. Then, when we

00:44:19 Speaker 18: move into Durham and Feversham, we

00:44:22 Speaker 18: are looking at debenturing through Infrastructure

00:44:29 Speaker 18: Ontario, a little bit different than

00:44:32 Speaker 18: what we've done in the past.

00:44:35 Speaker 18: So, if we self finance, the

00:44:37 Speaker 18: ministry will not give us 50-50

00:44:40 Speaker 22: funding on the interest. But if

00:44:44 Speaker 22: we finance through Infrastructure Ontario, we

00:44:47 Speaker 22: would get fifty percent of the

00:44:51 Speaker 22: interest paid in our grant. Um,

00:44:56 Speaker 22: in Infrastructure Ontario, lending rate yesterday

00:44:57 Speaker 22: for a twenty-five year borrow was

00:45:02 Speaker 22: rough, just just under four point

00:45:04 Speaker 22: five percent. For example. Okay, this

00:45:09 Speaker 22: is a big ask today to

00:45:12 Speaker 22: have the pre-budget approval. Could you?

00:45:17 Speaker 22: speak further to the timelines that

00:45:21 Speaker 22: are required for such an ask,

00:45:22 Speaker 22: as opposed to having this come

00:45:25 Speaker 22: back during the budget process and

00:45:28 Speaker 22: probably just three months? Through

00:45:31 Speaker 22: your, Madam Warden, we we did

00:45:32 Speaker 22: discuss that internally. If we wait

00:45:36 Speaker 07: until the budget bylaw passes, and

00:45:38 Speaker 07: fingers crossed, the first week of

00:45:39 Speaker 07: January, then we are beginning. the

00:45:43 Speaker 07: process, middle of January, having a

00:45:46 Speaker 07: close middle of February, so that's

00:45:48 Speaker 07: putting five months ish delay before

00:45:50 Speaker 07: anything would happen. Given that the

00:45:52 Speaker 07: fact that we've been asked to

00:45:54 Speaker 07: vacate, and you would want to

00:45:57 Speaker 07: get the building closed in and

00:46:00 Speaker 07: and be able to occupy it.

00:46:03 Speaker 07: I I think that the delay

00:46:04 Speaker 07: causes more issues than asking council

00:46:07 Speaker 07: for an early approval. And it's

00:46:10 Speaker 07: unfortunate that it's not in our

00:46:12 Speaker 07: plan, but that's something beyond both

00:46:15 Speaker 07: our control and you know the

00:46:18 Speaker 07: the unprecedented growth that Southgate's having.

00:46:20 Speaker 07: Okay, we're going to go to

00:46:21 Speaker 07: the CAO. Yeah, thank you through

00:46:29 Speaker 07: the warden. just further to what

00:46:32 Speaker 07: Mary Lou indicated in terms of

00:46:34 Speaker 23: timing, we we received further confirmation

00:46:35 Speaker 23: from from Southgate that I think

00:46:38 Speaker 23: the desire is to have in

00:46:40 Speaker 23: about a year's time to be

00:46:42 Speaker 23: able to occupy the current space

00:46:45 Speaker 23: that that we have. There's I

00:46:48 Speaker 23: think a little bit of flexibility

00:46:51 Speaker 23: there, obviously working together with Southgate,

00:46:53 Speaker 23: but given those timeframes, in order

00:46:54 Speaker 23: to complete potentially a construction of

00:46:57 Speaker 23: a new base, if that's again

00:47:00 Speaker 23: what. council supports today, then that

00:47:02 Speaker 23: allows us to proceed in that

00:47:04 Speaker 23: timeframe to be able to work

00:47:07 Speaker 23: through award a award a contract,

00:47:09 Speaker 23: get all the site prep work

00:47:11 Speaker 23: done, actually construct a base, and

00:47:12 Speaker 23: have it fully operational within that

00:47:14 Speaker 23: period of time. Thanks for those

00:47:17 Speaker 23: responses. I I want to point

00:47:20 Speaker 23: out on page. two, there's a

00:47:21 Speaker 23: line in the second paragraph. This

00:47:24 Speaker 23: growth is occurring across the county.

00:47:25 Speaker 23: However, the highest call volumes remain

00:47:29 Speaker 23: directly tied to urban areas. Kevin,

00:47:31 Speaker 23: you and your team have performed

00:47:33 Speaker 23: exceptionally well in the last several

00:47:36 Speaker 23: years, and that's demonstrated in the

00:47:40 Speaker 23: the annual reporting that goes back

00:47:42 Speaker 23: to the province in terms of

00:47:43 Speaker 23: meeting your your time commitments. I

00:47:46 Speaker 23: do wonder if if this conversation

00:47:47 Speaker 23: or if last council's conversation about

00:47:49 Speaker 23: Feversham might have been more extensive

00:47:51 Speaker 23: if this report had been first,

00:47:53 Speaker 23: and then Feversham, and we were

00:47:56 Speaker 23: looking at it in that light.

00:47:58 Speaker 23: So I am glad to hear

00:48:03 Speaker 23: that you're you are looking at

00:48:04 Speaker 23: bringing information back to council about

00:48:06 Speaker 23: that comprehensive service deployment. I point

00:48:08 Speaker 23: to that highlighted part of the

00:48:09 Speaker 23: paragraph as a rationale why we

00:48:11 Speaker 23: need to have a look at

00:48:12 Speaker 23: it. We just it's going to

00:48:14 Speaker 23: get extremely difficult to continue. to

00:48:16 Speaker 23: build out to a certain level

00:48:22 Speaker 23: of service, as opposed to responding

00:48:24 Speaker 23: to those times that we're currently

00:48:26 Speaker 23: still meeting, which is which is

00:48:28 Speaker 23: great, and we want to do

00:48:32 Speaker 23: it. But to to be able

00:48:33 Speaker 17: to stay the course on our

00:48:34 Speaker 17: current plan and trajectory, and then

00:48:37 Speaker 17: you and and then have a

00:48:39 Speaker 17: one like this introduced that's not

00:48:42 Speaker 17: outside of the the plan is

00:48:44 Speaker 17: well, the county has a lot

00:48:48 Speaker 17: of financial obligations and. this demonstrates

00:48:51 Speaker 17: the inability to be able to

00:48:52 Speaker 17: meet all of them with the

00:48:54 Speaker 17: reports that that we've been given.

00:48:57 Speaker 17: So I'm glad to see that

00:49:02 Speaker 17: there's intention of bringing that back,

00:49:04 Speaker 17: so that council can have a

00:49:05 Speaker 22: fulsome discussion on what that timeline

00:49:09 Speaker 22: in the future needs to look

00:49:12 Speaker 22: like for those future bases. Thanks.

00:49:15 Speaker 22: Okay, thank you. I'm going to

00:49:17 Speaker 22: look around the committee, the whole

00:49:21 Speaker 22: table. I'm not seeing any further

00:49:23 Speaker 22: hands. we'll go over to Councillor

00:49:25 Speaker 22: Nielsen. Thank you very much, Wardman

00:49:28 Speaker 22: Trusoff, and I think my question

00:49:31 Speaker 22: might be for Mary Lou. Just

00:49:34 Speaker 22: in terms, I'm trying to understand.

00:49:37 Speaker 22: You said that the subsidy doesn't

00:49:40 Speaker 22: cover the payment because if if

00:49:44 Speaker 22: we were to consider self financing,

00:49:46 Speaker 22: does is and you mentioned just

00:49:48 Speaker 22: the interest? Does the actual payment

00:49:52 Speaker 22: itself, as a capital expense, get

00:49:55 Speaker 22: covered as part of the grant

00:49:58 Speaker 22: between the province? and the county

00:50:01 Speaker 22: for operating paramedics. Through you, Madam

00:50:02 Speaker 22: Warden. I will refer to it

00:50:03 Speaker 22: as an interesting exercise. The grant

00:50:09 Speaker 22: we get for the nine one

00:50:17 Speaker 22: one side provides us fifty percent

00:50:19 Speaker 22: of our eligible expenses adjusted for

00:50:21 Speaker 22: PSAB. PSAB is Public Sector Accounting

00:50:23 Speaker 22: Board. So, if we build a

00:50:26 Speaker 22: two million dollar base, it's not

00:50:29 Speaker 22: like they will give. us two

00:50:31 Speaker 22: million dollars over twenty-five. They won't

00:50:34 Speaker 22: give us the two million dollars,

00:50:36 Speaker 22: fifty percent of it in one

00:50:37 Speaker 22: year. So they will recognize the

00:50:39 Speaker 22: interest as an annual expense, and

00:50:40 Speaker 22: then they apply that as that's

00:50:43 Speaker 22: your council-approved budget, and they give

00:50:46 Speaker 22: you fifty percent of that council-approved

00:50:47 Speaker 22: budget next year. Part of the

00:50:49 Speaker 22: P Sabat. The PSSB expenses are

00:50:50 Speaker 22: amortization. So, if we put a

00:50:52 Speaker 22: fifty-year life on a base, and

00:50:57 Speaker 22: the base cost us two million

00:50:58 Speaker 22: dollars, well, they give you two

00:51:00 Speaker 22: million dollars over fifty years. There's

00:51:03 Speaker 22: your. It. It's not the best

00:51:05 Speaker 22: way for a municipality to have

00:51:09 Speaker 22: to operate because what they're doing

00:51:10 Speaker 22: is. we're paying the cost up

00:51:12 Speaker 22: front. They're giving you reimbursement at

00:51:15 Speaker 22: fifty percent of the historical value

00:51:18 Speaker 22: over the life of the asset,

00:51:20 Speaker 17: and then we're saving up more

00:51:23 Speaker 17: than that to replace the asset

00:51:26 Speaker 17: at the end of its lifespan.

00:51:29 Speaker 17: Or we're working on to having

00:51:31 Speaker 17: a plan. So whether the plan

00:51:32 Speaker 17: is the taxpayers of today, we're

00:51:34 Speaker 17: asking them to fund a transfer

00:51:39 Speaker 17: reserve to put away money for

00:51:42 Speaker 17: the future, or the taxpayer of

00:51:47 Speaker 22: the day, like in this case.

00:51:54 Speaker 22: we'll be paying for the asset

00:51:55 Speaker 22: because we're borrowing. Thank you for

00:51:56 Speaker 22: that, Mary Lou. And just a

00:51:59 Speaker 22: follow-up, if I may. So in

00:52:02 Speaker 22: this instance, there's no current asset,

00:52:03 Speaker 22: and it's a somewhat of an

00:52:06 Speaker 22: unexpected expense, right? And and and

00:52:07 Speaker 22: I fully respect what Selfie is

00:52:10 Speaker 22: going through and why the expense

00:52:14 Speaker 22: is coming up. So carrying forward

00:52:14 Speaker 22: to the, I guess it'll end

00:52:17 Speaker 22: up being the 2022. I guess

00:52:20 Speaker 22: it'll end up being the 2027

00:52:21 Speaker 22: budget year. That's when they would

00:52:24 Speaker 22: start providing the depreciation value of

00:52:29 Speaker 22: this building on the annual basis.

00:52:30 Speaker 22: So you're you're probably that length

00:52:32 Speaker 17: of time before there's any actual

00:52:35 Speaker 17: increase in funding to help support

00:52:37 Speaker 17: the the rebuild. Are you, Madam

00:52:40 Speaker 17: Warden? That's correct. So they're looking

00:52:41 Speaker 17: at our 2026 budget adjusted for

00:52:43 Speaker 17: expenses like amortization, post employment. Post-employment

00:52:45 Speaker 17: benefits, future WSIB costs, and it's

00:52:46 Speaker 17: the approved budget, not the actuals.

00:52:54 Speaker 17: And they will give us fifty

00:52:57 Speaker 17: percent of that. So if our

00:53:02 Speaker 22: actuals were less, they're going to

00:53:03 Speaker 22: give us fifty percent of the

00:53:05 Speaker 22: actuals. If the actuals exceed that,

00:53:13 Speaker 22: they're still giving us fifty percent

00:53:14 Speaker 22: of the 2026 budget in 2027.

00:53:17 Speaker 22: So it's imprecise science, and that's

00:53:19 Speaker 22: where we want to make sure

00:53:21 Speaker 22: that we at least budget. as

00:53:24 Speaker 07: much as we expect, because what

00:53:28 Speaker 07: we're we're trying to do is

00:53:30 Speaker 07: get the funding that we should

00:53:32 Speaker 07: receive for the appropriate expenses. And

00:53:35 Speaker 07: then just one final question, if

00:53:37 Speaker 07: I may, thank you, Ward Muchsov.

00:53:38 Speaker 07: With the need of this base

00:53:41 Speaker 07: being, I would say, almost entirely

00:53:43 Speaker 07: growth related, is there DC charges

00:53:50 Speaker 07: that help to pay the capital

00:53:52 Speaker 07: expense of the build? Is there

00:53:54 Speaker 14: DCs available to help? bring down

00:53:56 Speaker 14: what this payment might actually be?

00:53:59 Speaker 14: Because we did not have that

00:54:01 Speaker 14: in the DC plan, because it

00:54:03 Speaker 14: was an unexpected expense, I can't

00:54:05 Speaker 14: take money out of DCs for

00:54:06 Speaker 14: something that wasn't in our plan.

00:54:10 Speaker 14: Through the warden, and further to

00:54:11 Speaker 14: what. Through the ward and further

00:54:13 Speaker 14: to what Mary Lou just indicated

00:54:14 Speaker 14: as well. So, although it was

00:54:17 Speaker 14: planned, is not currently in the

00:54:20 Speaker 14: DC background study. Through our review,

00:54:23 Speaker 14: we're we'll of course ask whoever

00:54:26 Speaker 14: consultant we'll be working with to

00:54:29 Speaker 14: see if there's an opportunity to

00:54:31 Speaker 14: still include some of that on

00:54:33 Speaker 14: a post construction basis. So, so

00:54:34 Speaker 14: that's something that we'll be exploring

00:54:36 Speaker 14: further. But at this current time,

00:54:37 Speaker 14: as Mary Lou indicated, there's no

00:54:41 Speaker 14: no DCs. that are allocated to

00:54:42 Speaker 14: this project. Okay. Any other questions?

00:54:44 Speaker 14: Oh, we'll go to Councillor McQueen.

00:54:46 Speaker 14: Thank you, Madam Warden. Just furthering

00:54:49 Speaker 14: on the part of the growth,

00:54:53 Speaker 14: obviously associated scrolling, and there's demand

00:54:54 Speaker 14: or need for more fire protection.

00:54:56 Speaker 14: We got to remember we see

00:54:57 Speaker 14: growth every year when we do

00:54:59 Speaker 14: our budget, and we just roll

00:55:00 Speaker 14: it in. But that growth is

00:55:02 Speaker 14: related to what. Is related to

00:55:05 Speaker 14: what's happening, and we have to

00:55:06 Speaker 14: catch up to that as well.

00:55:08 Speaker 14: So, not that we're capturing on

00:55:10 Speaker 14: the DC side, but it's also

00:55:12 Speaker 14: our base asset or assets, or

00:55:14 Speaker 14: you know, the impact and and

00:55:15 Speaker 14: and all that value is is

00:55:18 Speaker 14: growing because things are being built.

00:55:23 Speaker 14: But when things get built, they

00:55:26 Speaker 14: need more services. So we have

00:55:29 Speaker 20: to keep that in mind when

00:55:31 Speaker 20: we're going through that budget process.

00:55:33 Speaker 20: That you know, when we see

00:55:35 Speaker 20: that growth. It's related to. It's

00:55:35 Speaker 20: going to catch up to you.

00:55:37 Speaker 20: The other part I just wanted

00:55:46 Speaker 20: briefly touch on, to maybe where

00:55:48 Speaker 20: Kevin is. Also, we share a

00:55:52 Speaker 20: space in Markdale's fire department building

00:55:54 Speaker 20: with the EMS. There could be

00:55:56 Speaker 06: at some point something on the

00:55:56 Speaker 06: books right now, but that may

00:55:59 Speaker 06: change as well for the growth

00:56:02 Speaker 06: that we see in Markdale. Well,

00:56:03 Speaker 06: so it's all going back to

00:56:05 Speaker 06: growth. You don't really need to

00:56:09 Speaker 06: comment there, but it just it

00:56:10 Speaker 06: just is regrowth. It just

00:56:13 Speaker 06: as we grow, there's growing pains,

00:56:16 Speaker 06: right? So, and if we want

00:56:17 Speaker 06: to maintain that level of service

00:56:19 Speaker 06: for EMS and and all that

00:56:21 Speaker 06: stuff, you have to sort

00:56:23 Speaker 06: of follow up. Anyway, there's some

00:56:25 Speaker 06: comments there. Yeah, we see that

00:56:27 Speaker 06: in in Markdale as well. At

00:56:29 Speaker 06: one time, we had the

00:56:31 Speaker 06: whole west wing wireless, but now

00:56:33 Speaker 06: we actually share that with the

00:56:36 Speaker 06: fire department, and we have another

00:56:36 Speaker 06: parking spot off to the side

00:56:37 Speaker 06: where. a smaller vehicle can fit,

00:56:39 Speaker 06: so we do get jockeyed around.

00:56:41 Speaker 06: Okay, good, healthy discussion there. I

00:56:42 Speaker 06: don't see any further hands. We've

00:56:44 Speaker 06: had good reflective responses from all

00:56:47 Speaker 06: of our staff involved. Thank you

00:56:49 Speaker 06: very much for that. So I'll

00:56:50 Speaker 24: call the question. All those in

00:56:52 Speaker 24: favour, and that motion is carried.

00:56:53 Speaker 24: Thank you. Next, we'll move on

00:56:57 Speaker 24: to item seven B. It's recommended.

00:56:58 Speaker 24: Item 7B. It's recommended that report

00:57:00 Speaker 24: PDR CW 6025 regarding the Town

00:57:03 Speaker 24: of Blue Mountains' request for further

00:57:04 Speaker 24: planning approval authority delegations be received,

00:57:06 Speaker 24: and that staff be directed to

00:57:07 Speaker 24: number one, work with the town

00:57:09 Speaker 24: to consult with the public; number

00:57:10 Speaker 24: two, to research options for delegating

00:57:12 Speaker 24: planning approvals for subdivisions, condominiums, and

00:57:14 Speaker 24: part lot control from the county

00:57:16 Speaker 24: to the town; and number three,

00:57:18 Speaker 24: to prepare a draft memorandum of

00:57:20 Speaker 24: understanding for future consideration by the

00:57:22 Speaker 24: town. and county councils, and with

00:57:24 Speaker 24: that, I'll look for a mover

00:57:25 Speaker 24: and a seconder to get it

00:57:27 Speaker 24: on the floor. So it's moved

00:57:28 Speaker 24: by Councillor Dobrin, seconded by Councillor

00:57:31 Speaker 24: Hutchinson. It's now on the floor,

00:57:34 Speaker 24: and we will look virtually to

00:57:36 Speaker 24: Director Taylor this morning. Good

00:57:39 Speaker 24: morning. Thank you, Madam Warden, and

00:57:40 Speaker 24: good good morning, Warden, and members

00:57:42 Speaker 24: of council, and anyone that might

00:57:44 Speaker 24: be tuning in. So some of

00:57:47 Speaker 24: you may remember an enthralling planning

00:57:50 Speaker 24: report from 2022, which was looking

00:57:52 Speaker 24: at the potential of delegating some

00:57:53 Speaker 24: approvals from planning approvals from the

00:57:56 Speaker 24: county. to municipalities, and it was

00:57:57 Speaker 24: also looking at ways to streamline

00:57:59 Speaker 24: the planning process. Just as an

00:58:02 Speaker 24: interesting side note, I believe the

00:58:04 Speaker 24: lengthy presentation and discussion on that

00:58:06 Speaker 24: report was where we first got

00:58:08 Speaker 24: branded as delaying council from their

00:58:10 Speaker 24: nourishment breaks. Reflecting back, maybe not

00:58:12 Speaker 24: everyone found that presentation quite as

00:58:13 Speaker 24: thrilling as I did. But the

00:58:16 Speaker 24: outcomes of that 2022 report were

00:58:18 Speaker 24: that staff were directed to further

00:58:20 Speaker 24: explore efficiencies in the planning process,

00:58:23 Speaker 24: both at the county and and

00:58:25 Speaker 24: working with our municipal partners. And

00:58:26 Speaker 24: that's been done by subsequent reports

00:58:28 Speaker 24: and acts. By subsequent reports and

00:58:29 Speaker 24: actions, but the council also supported

00:58:31 Speaker 24: a motion which which said that

00:58:34 Speaker 24: if municipalities were seeking further delegated

00:58:36 Speaker 24: planning approvals, they simply needed to

00:58:38 Speaker 24: pass a motion at their municipal

00:58:40 Speaker 24: council requesting as such, and then

00:58:42 Speaker 24: staff could enter into discussions to

00:58:45 Speaker 24: to explore those those potential delegated

00:58:47 Speaker 24: approvals. Excuse me. Up until

00:58:49 Speaker 24: the summer of twenty twenty five,

00:58:51 Speaker 24: we didn't have any such requests

00:58:53 Speaker 24: from municipalities in gray, but in

00:58:55 Speaker 24: June of twenty five, town of

00:58:57 Speaker 24: the Blue Mountains. 25. Town of

00:58:58 Speaker 24: the Blue Mountains Council supported a

00:59:01 Speaker 24: motion requesting some further delegated approvals.

00:59:03 Speaker 24: Following the passing of that motion

00:59:05 Speaker 24: by Town Council, Town and County

00:59:06 Speaker 24: staff have met on on a

00:59:09 Speaker 24: number of occasions to to start

00:59:10 Speaker 24: to map out a process of

00:59:13 Speaker 24: what this could look like if

00:59:14 Speaker 24: the County were to delegate said

00:59:16 Speaker 24: approvals. Following those those discussions, Town

00:59:17 Speaker 24: staff prepared an additional staff report

00:59:18 Speaker 24: in in October of 25

00:59:21 Speaker 24: and got authorization from Town Council

00:59:23 Speaker 24: to proceed to a joint public

00:59:25 Speaker 24: meeting to be able to explore.

00:59:27 Speaker 24: this topic further, and so just

00:59:30 Speaker 24: as a bit of a refresher

00:59:31 Speaker 24: here, the specific delegated approvals in

00:59:33 Speaker 24: in in question are the delegation

00:59:35 Speaker 24: of the approval of draft plans

00:59:38 Speaker 24: of subdivision and condominium, including both

00:59:40 Speaker 24: redline revisions to those plans as

00:59:43 Speaker 24: well as draft plan extensions to

00:59:45 Speaker 24: plans of subdivision and condominium. It

00:59:47 Speaker 24: would also include final approval and

00:59:49 Speaker 24: registration of subdivisions and condominiums. It

00:59:52 Speaker 24: would include part lock control, and

00:59:53 Speaker 24: it could also include condominium exemptions

00:59:55 Speaker 24: in that regard. excuse me. So,

00:59:56 Speaker 24: just as a bit of a

00:59:58 Speaker 24: refresher here, the county currently holds

00:59:59 Speaker 24: the approvals that I've just listed

01:00:01 Speaker 24: for eight of our nine member

01:00:02 Speaker 24: municipalities, all except for the City

01:00:04 Speaker 24: of Owen Sound, who retained those

01:00:06 Speaker 24: approvals when they rejoined the county

01:00:09 Speaker 24: after previously being a separated municipality.

01:00:12 Speaker 24: With respect to the above noted

01:00:13 Speaker 24: approvals, some of the approvals are

01:00:15 Speaker 24: currently done by County Committee of

01:00:17 Speaker 24: the Whole, so that would be

01:00:20 Speaker 24: things like draft approval of subdivision

01:00:23 Speaker 24: condominiums, versus other approvals are more

01:00:25 Speaker 24: administrative in nature, such. as condominium

01:00:27 Speaker 24: exemptions or part lock control, and

01:00:28 Speaker 24: those have been delegated to county

01:00:29 Speaker 24: staff. Regardless of whether or not

01:00:30 Speaker 24: it's committee, the whole making the

01:00:32 Speaker 24: approval or or county staff making

01:00:34 Speaker 24: the approval, none of these approvals

01:00:37 Speaker 24: are ever done without significant consultation

01:00:39 Speaker 24: with the host member municipality. So,

01:00:41 Speaker 24: regardless of of of who the

01:00:44 Speaker 24: person signing the letter or approving

01:00:46 Speaker 24: it is, it's always done in

01:00:49 Speaker 24: in discussion and in concert with

01:00:51 Speaker 24: with member municipalities. And so, just

01:00:54 Speaker 24: to to And so, just to

01:00:55 Speaker 24: loop back to the town of

01:00:57 Speaker 24: Blue Mountains in specifics, so county

01:01:00 Speaker 24: staff and town staff have met

01:01:01 Speaker 24: on a number of occasions, as

01:01:02 Speaker 24: I said, to discuss this process.

01:01:04 Speaker 24: I think staff are seeing eye

01:01:06 Speaker 24: to eye on what this process

01:01:08 Speaker 24: could look like moving forward, and

01:01:10 Speaker 24: we both agreed that a potential

01:01:12 Speaker 24: next step, subject to any feedback

01:01:14 Speaker 24: or support from county council today,

01:01:17 Speaker 24: would be the hosting of a

01:01:18 Speaker 24: joint public meeting. As council may

01:01:20 Speaker 24: recall, there was significant consultation done

01:01:22 Speaker 24: leading up to that 2022 report,

01:01:23 Speaker 24: both with the development industry and

01:01:25 Speaker 24: municipalities, with respect to what delegations

01:01:27 Speaker 24: could look like, but we didn't

01:01:28 Speaker 24: directly reach out to the public

01:01:29 Speaker 24: at that stage. So we thought

01:01:30 Speaker 24: a good next step could be

01:01:33 Speaker 24: a public meeting in that regard,

01:01:35 Speaker 24: where we could hear feedback and

01:01:37 Speaker 24: and such. Following that, staff would

01:01:39 Speaker 24: work together between the town and

01:01:40 Speaker 24: the county to look at what

01:01:41 Speaker 24: what a draft memorandum of understanding

01:01:43 Speaker 24: could look like to to share

01:01:46 Speaker 24: those to delegate those approvals. Council

01:01:47 Speaker 24: may recall that in that. 2022

01:01:49 Speaker 24: report, there was a link to

01:01:50 Speaker 24: a memorandum of understanding that

01:01:53 Speaker 24: Simcoe County had used to delegate

01:01:54 Speaker 24: such approvals to one of their

01:01:57 Speaker 24: member municipalities in that regard. One

01:01:59 Speaker 24: of the key questions when we

01:02:01 Speaker 24: get to some of the further

01:02:03 Speaker 24: steps, and particularly with respect to

01:02:05 Speaker 24: that MOU, will be whether or

01:02:06 Speaker 24: not such delegations are to occur

01:02:08 Speaker 24: on a go-forward basis only, whether

01:02:11 Speaker 24: the delegation is also meant to

01:02:13 Speaker 24: apply to retroactively. So those

01:02:15 Speaker 24: would be subdivisions and condominiums that

01:02:17 Speaker 24: might already be in. process at

01:02:19 Speaker 24: the time when the delegation happens,

01:02:23 Speaker 24: if it is to happen, or

01:02:25 Speaker 24: whether or not there's a phased

01:02:26 Speaker 24: delegated approach in that regard. So

01:02:28 Speaker 24: maybe in the in the short

01:02:30 Speaker 24: term, it's only done on a

01:02:32 Speaker 24: go for basis, and there's a

01:02:34 Speaker 24: plan put in place to to

01:02:36 Speaker 24: delegate some of those those in

01:02:38 Speaker 24: process applications on a longer term

01:02:40 Speaker 24: basis. There's certainly pros and cons

01:02:41 Speaker 24: to both approaches, and that's something

01:02:43 Speaker 24: staff at the town and the

01:02:44 Speaker 24: county would love to dig into

01:02:46 Speaker 24: further. Again, should there be support

01:02:48 Speaker 24: for this approach, so if delegation

01:02:51 Speaker 24: were to happen, it would mean

01:02:53 Speaker 24: that the county would be would

01:02:55 Speaker 24: still be a review body on

01:02:57 Speaker 24: subdivisions and condominiums versus currently being

01:03:00 Speaker 24: the approval body. So, there would

01:03:01 Speaker 24: be some staff time savings on

01:03:04 Speaker 24: on the county's end, and and

01:03:06 Speaker 24: that actually would result in some

01:03:07 Speaker 24: some savings in in county council

01:03:10 Speaker 24: agendas in that regard as well.

01:03:13 Speaker 24: With respect to an estimate that,

01:03:15 Speaker 24: and it's a very ballpark at

01:03:16 Speaker 24: this stage, that twenty twenty two

01:03:17 Speaker 24: staff report estimated that for for

01:03:20 Speaker 24: the planners and and our our

01:03:23 Speaker 24: planning administrative assistance Planning administrative assistant.

01:03:24 Speaker 24: We would see approximately one third

01:03:26 Speaker 24: less staff time on subdivisions and

01:03:28 Speaker 24: condominium applications. Some of our partner

01:03:29 Speaker 24: departments and staff that review such

01:03:31 Speaker 24: applications, such as our transportation services

01:03:33 Speaker 24: and ecology staff, would still need

01:03:34 Speaker 24: to be reviewing the applications with

01:03:37 Speaker 24: respect to their impact on county

01:03:40 Speaker 24: roads and with respect to the

01:03:43 Speaker 24: the natural environment impact. And so

01:03:44 Speaker 24: their roles are unlikely to change

01:03:45 Speaker 24: because their their review role doesn't

01:03:46 Speaker 24: really change whether it's the town

01:03:50 Speaker 24: making the decision or the county

01:03:51 Speaker 24: making the decision. This Or the

01:03:55 Speaker 02: county making the decision in this

01:03:57 Speaker 02: regard. So at this point, with

01:03:58 Speaker 25: respect to the staff report, there's

01:04:01 Speaker 25: no specific financial or resource implications

01:04:02 Speaker 25: for this initial report. As the

01:04:03 Speaker 25: warden read the the motion, it's

01:04:05 Speaker 25: simply seeking authorization to move forward

01:04:07 Speaker 25: with some further investigations, including a

01:04:09 Speaker 25: public meeting. Should delegation occur at

01:04:10 Speaker 25: some point in the future, and

01:04:12 Speaker 25: and should that delegation be be

01:04:14 Speaker 25: applied retroactively, it could mean that

01:04:15 Speaker 25: additional resources are needed, at least

01:04:17 Speaker 25: on a temporary basis, as it

01:04:19 Speaker 25: pertains to both transferring the files

01:04:22 Speaker 25: themselves. and and from a records

01:04:23 Speaker 25: management basis, and so certainly at

01:04:25 Speaker 25: both the town and the county,

01:04:29 Speaker 25: we'd need to look further into

01:04:30 Speaker 25: what that means, and there could

01:04:31 Speaker 24: be financial financial implications that would

01:04:33 Speaker 24: be explored in that future staff

01:04:36 Speaker 24: report with respect to the revenue

01:04:40 Speaker 24: impacts it would have on the

01:04:42 Speaker 24: county. On the one hand, it

01:04:43 Speaker 24: could be less application revenue coming

01:04:46 Speaker 24: in. On the other hand, it

01:04:50 Speaker 24: might mean that there's slightly less

01:04:52 Speaker 24: expenditures, particularly from an appeals related

01:04:55 Speaker 24: process with. respect to appeals to

01:04:58 Speaker 24: the Ontario Land Tribunal. So, with

01:05:02 Speaker 24: that, that's all I have at

01:05:04 Speaker 24: this stage. But certainly happy to

01:05:05 Speaker 24: take any questions from Council if

01:05:07 Speaker 24: there are any. Thank you very

01:05:09 Speaker 24: much, Director Taylor. First, we'll go

01:05:11 Speaker 24: online to Councillor Bordenell. Thank you,

01:05:13 Speaker 24: Madam Warden, and good morning, County

01:05:14 Speaker 24: Council. Thank you, Director Taylor, for

01:05:16 Speaker 24: the report. Just a couple questions.

01:05:19 Speaker 24: The first one is: so to

01:05:22 Speaker 24: be clear, the next step would

01:05:23 Speaker 24: be if this was going to

01:05:24 Speaker 24: go through this committee, would be

01:05:27 Speaker 24: a public meeting to. to get

01:05:28 Speaker 24: input. I guess would be my

01:05:30 Speaker 24: first question, and just on the

01:05:31 Speaker 25: financial implications. And the second question,

01:05:35 Speaker 25: just reading through your report and

01:05:36 Speaker 25: your verbal update this morning, you

01:05:38 Speaker 25: mentioned about a third of time

01:05:39 Speaker 25: would be saved. So, is that

01:05:42 Speaker 25: that's at the county level? I

01:05:46 Speaker 25: I would assume. So, just those

01:05:47 Speaker 24: two questions, please, through the warden.

01:05:48 Speaker 24: Yeah, thank you, through you, Madam

01:05:50 Speaker 24: Warden. Thank you for your questions,

01:05:52 Speaker 24: Council Board Member. So, with respect

01:05:53 Speaker 24: to perhaps the second question first.

01:05:55 Speaker 24: Yeah. the staff time estimate was

01:06:00 Speaker 24: specifically with respect to county staff

01:06:02 Speaker 24: time that would be applied to

01:06:04 Speaker 24: the application. And I believe Mr.

01:06:06 Speaker 24: Postma had some some preliminary comments

01:06:08 Speaker 24: in in the town's report. It

01:06:10 Speaker 24: certainly would be some additional staff

01:06:12 Speaker 24: time at at the town level.

01:06:14 Speaker 24: In speaking with with Mr. Postma,

01:06:17 Speaker 24: I don't think it would be

01:06:19 Speaker 24: significant, but no doubt that there

01:06:21 Speaker 24: would be some additional staff time.

01:06:23 Speaker 24: particularly on on the administrative end,

01:06:24 Speaker 24: with respect to some of the

01:06:28 Speaker 24: the back end dealings on some

01:06:30 Speaker 24: of those files. Once once council

01:06:31 Speaker 24: has already made their approvals and

01:06:33 Speaker 24: staff are working through that that

01:06:34 Speaker 24: registration process in that regard, and

01:06:37 Speaker 24: I apologize, Councillor Bourdonjon. I I

01:06:39 Speaker 24: answered your second question first, and

01:06:41 Speaker 24: in the process, I forgot your

01:06:43 Speaker 24: first question. My apologies there. Thank

01:06:45 Speaker 24: you, Director Taylor. Sorry to the

01:06:46 Speaker 24: Warden. Just in regards to next

01:06:48 Speaker 24: steps and after the the public

01:06:50 Speaker 24: meeting, then afterwards, if just just

01:06:51 Speaker 24: for clarity purposes. yeah. Thank you,

01:06:53 Speaker 24: through you, Madam Warden. So yeah,

01:06:56 Speaker 24: I think we'd work with the

01:06:58 Speaker 24: town to organise that joint public

01:07:00 Speaker 24: meeting. At that stage, depending on

01:07:02 Speaker 24: on what we heard, we could

01:07:04 Speaker 24: look at whether or not there's

01:07:06 Speaker 24: a need for any type of

01:07:07 Speaker 24: interim report at the town or

01:07:08 Speaker 24: county level with respect to sort

01:07:12 Speaker 24: of a what we heard. Here's

01:07:13 Speaker 24: the feedback we heard, or it

01:07:15 Speaker 24: might proceed directly to to staff

01:07:17 Speaker 24: to staff discussions on starting to

01:07:18 Speaker 24: put. together the framework of what

01:07:21 Speaker 25: that draft memorandum of understanding could

01:07:23 Speaker 25: look like, ultimately that draft memorandum

01:07:24 Speaker 25: of understanding would need to be

01:07:26 Speaker 25: presented back to to both town

01:07:29 Speaker 25: council and county council for their

01:07:32 Speaker 25: consideration and feedback in that regard

01:07:34 Speaker 25: before there could be any bylaw

01:07:36 Speaker 25: passed to delegate it. One of

01:07:38 Speaker 25: the things we've talked about on

01:07:39 Speaker 25: a staff to staff basis is

01:07:41 Speaker 25: as we're we're potentially drafting that

01:07:42 Speaker 25: MOU would be to have some

01:07:45 Speaker 25: further discussions with some of our

01:07:46 Speaker 25: neighbours that have been through this

01:07:49 Speaker 25: before. I know informally in talking

01:07:50 Speaker 25: to Simcoe County staff, they've delegated

01:07:51 Speaker 25: these approvals to to most of

01:07:52 Speaker 25: their member municipalities, and they certainly

01:07:54 Speaker 25: said the process have all evolved

01:07:55 Speaker 25: from the first time they delegated

01:07:59 Speaker 25: it to the most recent time

01:08:01 Speaker 26: they delegated it, and there's been

01:08:04 Speaker 26: lesson learned. So we're we're hopeful

01:08:07 Speaker 26: that maybe we can we can

01:08:08 Speaker 26: build upon some of those lessons

01:08:09 Speaker 26: learned in in other counties, and

01:08:11 Speaker 26: and and maybe have a more

01:08:13 Speaker 17: expeditious MOU process in that regard.

01:08:16 Speaker 17: But certainly happy. to take any

01:08:18 Speaker 17: direction either from from county council

01:08:19 Speaker 17: or the direction provided back to

01:08:20 Speaker 17: town staff from town council on

01:08:21 Speaker 17: what those next steps and and

01:08:26 Speaker 17: when those touchbacks with each of

01:08:27 Speaker 17: our respective councils would be. Thank

01:08:31 Speaker 17: you, Madam Warden. Just a quick

01:08:32 Speaker 17: comment follow up, if that's okay.

01:08:35 Speaker 17: Yes, please. Thank you, through the

01:08:39 Speaker 17: Warden. Yeah, thank thank you for

01:08:41 Speaker 24: all that, Director Taylor. It's it's

01:08:42 Speaker 24: it's quite supportive at at the

01:08:45 Speaker 24: local level for sure because we

01:08:46 Speaker 24: do have a full robust planning

01:08:49 Speaker 24: department, and this is something that

01:08:51 Speaker 24: I that council feels that would

01:08:53 Speaker 24: help expedite approvals, as well as

01:08:55 Speaker 24: working with the developers and less

01:08:57 Speaker 24: repetition on work. And we do

01:08:59 Speaker 24: have the the workforce there. So

01:09:01 Speaker 24: I thank you for the detailed

01:09:02 Speaker 24: report. Looking forward to you know

01:09:04 Speaker 24: see the remember the original one

01:09:08 Speaker 24: in 2022. I actually enjoyed the

01:09:10 Speaker 24: report too, so it wasn't just

01:09:14 Speaker 24: you. But all kidding aside, I

01:09:17 Speaker 24: think it's I think it's a

01:09:19 Speaker 24: great step forward. And I know

01:09:21 Speaker 24: that even if we do proceed

01:09:24 Speaker 24: to the public meeting, we'll come

01:09:27 Speaker 24: back to this council. So thank

01:09:29 Speaker 24: you for the details. Okay, thank

01:09:31 Speaker 24: you. We have a question from

01:09:34 Speaker 24: Councillor Nielsen. Thank you very much,

01:09:37 Speaker 24: Ward and Matrosov. Director Taylor, you

01:09:39 Speaker 24: kind of touched on it very

01:09:40 Speaker 24: quickly there at the very end

01:09:41 Speaker 24: of your opening comments. Just wondering

01:09:43 Speaker 24: if you can expand on the

01:09:45 Speaker 24: county's role in any OLT appeals.

01:09:48 Speaker 24: If we're just a commenting body,

01:09:49 Speaker 24: does do we have any involvement

01:09:52 Speaker 24: then on the OLT appeals, or

01:09:54 Speaker 24: or is it just strictly a

01:09:59 Speaker 24: TBM situation? Thank you for your

01:10:02 Speaker 24: question, Councillor Nielsen. Through you, Madam

01:10:05 Speaker 24: Warden. Each each appeal is dealt

01:10:07 Speaker 24: with on a case by case

01:10:08 Speaker 24: basis. Strictly speaking, what typically happens

01:10:10 Speaker 24: right now is where there's say

01:10:12 Speaker 24: a plan of subdivision application and

01:10:14 Speaker 24: we have a partners zoning amendment

01:10:15 Speaker 24: application at the municipal level. If

01:10:20 Speaker 24: those were to get appealed, most

01:10:22 Speaker 24: typically the county would be a

01:10:23 Speaker 24: party to the the Ontario Land

01:10:25 Speaker 24: Tribunal proceeding as the approval authority

01:10:28 Speaker 24: on the subdivision. and the municipality

01:10:30 Speaker 24: would be the the would would

01:10:32 Speaker 24: also be party to those same

01:10:34 Speaker 24: proceedings as the approval authority on

01:10:35 Speaker 24: the zoning bylaw amendment. And so,

01:10:37 Speaker 09: if the county was no longer

01:10:40 Speaker 09: the approval authority, there's less likelihood

01:10:41 Speaker 09: that the county would be included

01:10:43 Speaker 09: or wish to seek status at

01:10:49 Speaker 09: that Ontario Land Tribunal proceeding. I'll

01:10:52 Speaker 09: caveat that to note that say

01:10:53 Speaker 06: to to say that depending on

01:10:55 Speaker 06: the specifics of an application. if,

01:10:58 Speaker 06: for example, there was concerns about

01:11:03 Speaker 06: county level infrastructure, so maybe a

01:11:04 Speaker 06: county road, the county may still

01:11:06 Speaker 06: choose to seek either either party

01:11:08 Speaker 06: or participant status at a hearing,

01:11:10 Speaker 06: but by default, the county would

01:11:12 Speaker 06: be would be out of a

01:11:14 Speaker 06: number of those discussions unless there

01:11:16 Speaker 06: was sort of a a more

01:11:17 Speaker 06: direct county impact in that regard.

01:11:19 Speaker 06: And I will say that the

01:11:20 Speaker 06: the the examples shared from the

01:11:21 Speaker 06: county of Simcoe with respect to

01:11:22 Speaker 06: the the MOU. did have some

01:22:05 Speaker 06: extensive wording in that memorandum of

01:22:06 Speaker 06: understanding with respect to decisions made

01:22:07 Speaker 06: by the the member municipality that

01:22:08 Speaker 06: could impact county policy or county

01:22:38 Speaker 06: infrastructure in that regard. So we'd

01:22:40 Speaker 06: certainly look to spell some of

01:22:44 Speaker 08: that out in the MOU and

01:22:48 Speaker 06: and just hopefully continue on with

01:22:50 Speaker 06: the the existing working relationship we

01:22:52 Speaker 06: already have on a staff to

01:22:53 Speaker 06: staff and council to council basis

01:22:55 Speaker 06: in that regard. Okay, thank you.

01:22:57 Speaker 06: Looking around the room for any

01:22:59 Speaker 06: further comments or questions, we'll go

01:23:01 Speaker 06: to the Deputy Warden. Thank you,

01:23:03 Speaker 06: Madam Warden. And given that the

01:23:07 Speaker 06: county does spend a significant amount

01:23:10 Speaker 06: of time working on various files

01:23:12 Speaker 06: for the Blue Mountains, would it

01:23:14 Speaker 06: be fair to say that

01:23:16 Speaker 06: if this plays out

01:23:18 Speaker 06: the way that it is proposed,

01:23:22 Speaker 06: we could probably save enough money

01:23:24 Speaker 06: to pay cash for that paramedic

01:23:27 Speaker 06: station in Dundalk? Would that? Perfect.

01:23:28 Speaker 06: Thank you, Madam Warden. Okay, the

01:23:30 Speaker 06: Deputy Warden has formed that in

01:23:33 Speaker 06: the the form of a comment

01:23:36 Speaker 06: rather than seeking answers from County

01:23:39 Speaker 06: staff. Thank you. Okay. Anything else?

01:23:41 Speaker 06: All right. I see no further

01:23:44 Speaker 06: hands. Thank you very much, Director

01:23:46 Speaker 06: Taylor, for that additional information. I'll

01:23:50 Speaker 06: call the question. All those in

01:23:50 Speaker 06: favour? And that motion is carried.

01:23:52 Speaker 06: Thank you very much. That allows

01:23:55 Speaker 06: us. We have items seven C.

01:23:56 Speaker 06: So. one more for discussion. Then

01:23:58 Speaker 06: we have closed sessions. So we're

01:24:04 Speaker 06: at eleven oh five. I'm going

01:24:08 Speaker 06: to call a break until eleven

01:24:10 Speaker 06: fifteen, and then we will carry

01:24:13 Speaker 27: on after that. Thank you. If

01:24:15 Speaker 27: I can, if I could just

01:24:16 Speaker 27: please invite our committee, the whole

01:24:19 Speaker 27: members, to come back to the

01:24:23 Speaker 27: horseshoe. Okay, we have one more

01:24:26 Speaker 27: item for discussion, which is item.

01:24:29 Speaker 27: 7C. It's recommended that report LTCRCW2225

01:24:32 Speaker 27: Ministry Survey in respect to repurposing

01:24:36 Speaker 27: Rockwood Terrace Long Term Care Home

01:24:39 Speaker 27: be received, and that staff be

01:24:40 Speaker 27: directed to advise the Ministry of

01:24:42 Speaker 27: Long Term Care that the existing

01:24:44 Speaker 27: Rockwood Terrace Long Term Care Home

01:24:47 Speaker 27: may have potential for future redevelopment

01:24:51 Speaker 27: and reuse as a long term

01:24:53 Speaker 27: care facility, and that any such

01:24:54 Speaker 27: future use be subject to feasibility

01:24:58 Speaker 27: studies to assess viability. and that

01:25:00 Speaker 27: staff advised the ministry that extending

01:25:04 Speaker 27: the operational lifespan of the current

01:25:08 Speaker 27: Rockwood Terrace facility would present significant

01:25:10 Speaker 27: operational and financial constraints, and that

01:25:13 Speaker 27: staff provide an additional response to

01:25:15 Speaker 27: the ministry alongside the survey response

01:25:18 Speaker 27: that indicates that the County of

01:25:21 Speaker 27: Grey does not have the capacity

01:25:25 Speaker 27: to operate a fourth long-term care

01:25:26 Speaker 27: facility unless such operation has no

01:25:29 Speaker 27: short or long-term impacts on the

01:25:32 Speaker 27: Term impacts on the property tax

01:25:34 Speaker 27: levy, and that action be taken

01:25:36 Speaker 27: in events of county council approval

01:25:38 Speaker 27: in accordance with subsection twenty six

01:25:41 Speaker 27: point six b of our procedural

01:25:43 Speaker 27: bylaw. May I ask for a

01:25:46 Speaker 27: mover and a seconder? Moved by

01:25:49 Speaker 27: Councillor McKay, and seconded by the

01:25:52 Speaker 27: Deputy Warden. It's now on the

01:25:53 Speaker 27: floor for discussion. So we will

01:25:57 Speaker 27: look to Director Cornell. Good morning.

01:25:58 Speaker 27: Good morning, County Council. oh boy,

01:26:01 Speaker 27: following Director Taylor and a break,

01:26:03 Speaker 27: and potentially the report before lunch.

01:26:05 Speaker 27: Feeling a little bit of pressure.

01:26:06 Speaker 27: I'll have to talk to Scott

01:26:07 Speaker 27: about how he handles that. Okay.

01:26:11 Speaker 27: Good morning, through you, Ward and

01:26:14 Speaker 27: Matrasovs, who just read through the

01:26:16 Speaker 27: recommendations of the the motions of

01:26:20 Speaker 27: the report. I just want to

01:26:23 Speaker 27: remind County Council of the. demographic

01:26:26 Speaker 27: surge that we're expecting over the

01:26:27 Speaker 27: next few years in terms of

01:26:30 Speaker 27: the need for long-term care, and

01:26:32 Speaker 27: we believe that that is what

01:26:34 Speaker 27: has prompted the province to be

01:26:36 Speaker 27: seeking this information and sending out

01:26:40 Speaker 27: these these surveys. That, in addition

01:26:41 Speaker 27: to their commitment to increase the

01:26:44 Speaker 27: number of long-term care beds in

01:26:47 Speaker 27: Ontario, so the warden went did

01:26:48 Speaker 27: an overview of the the recommendation.

01:26:51 Speaker 27: A little bit of a summary

01:26:54 Speaker 27: of the report, and and I

01:26:56 Speaker 27: was just here at council at

01:26:58 Speaker 27: the last council meeting regarding a

01:27:01 Speaker 27: survey regarding the bed allocation at

01:27:04 Speaker 27: Grey Gables to assess the county's

01:27:07 Speaker 27: readiness, and here I am again

01:27:08 Speaker 27: to discuss responding to an additional

01:27:10 Speaker 27: survey that the province has

01:27:12 Speaker 27: issued with a deadline of

01:27:15 Speaker 27: October twenty fourth, requesting. 24th, requesting

01:27:17 Speaker 27: feedback on the potential continued use

01:27:19 Speaker 27: of the existing Rockwood Terrace as

01:27:23 Speaker 27: an operating long-term care home. There's

01:27:25 Speaker 27: lots of details in those recommendations,

01:27:28 Speaker 27: and lots of details in the

01:27:33 Speaker 27: background of the report around previous

01:27:36 Speaker 27: considerations of reuse of Rockwood Terrace.

01:27:38 Speaker 27: And I'm just going to jump

01:27:41 Speaker 27: ahead to page four of

01:27:43 Speaker 27: the report or 40 of

01:27:47 Speaker 27: the package, and just take us

01:27:49 Speaker 27: through what staff are recommending be

01:27:51 Speaker 27: included. For recommending be included in

01:27:54 Speaker 27: the response to this survey, I

01:27:56 Speaker 27: will also just note that it

01:27:58 Speaker 27: is a second survey, and I

01:28:00 Speaker 27: do think the County of Grey

01:28:04 Speaker 27: is in a unique situation that

01:28:07 Speaker 27: probably many operators in the province

01:28:10 Speaker 27: aren't in, where they have a

01:28:13 Speaker 27: current build and a current which

01:28:14 Speaker 27: will result in an existing building

01:28:17 Speaker 27: left vacant, and also a

01:28:20 Speaker 27: current application of beds that have

01:28:24 Speaker 27: been awarded on the books, and

01:28:27 Speaker 27: so. that's why there's two surveys

01:28:29 Speaker 27: that are that maybe could have

01:28:33 Speaker 27: been one, but couldn't because most

01:28:35 Speaker 27: operators, when you find themselves in

01:28:37 Speaker 27: this situation, so in looking at

01:28:39 Speaker 27: what staff is recommending that be

01:28:41 Speaker 27: included in the response, just confirming

01:28:43 Speaker 27: that there are no plans for

01:28:46 Speaker 27: the existing Rockwood Terrace building following

01:28:49 Speaker 27: the completion and transition to the

01:28:50 Speaker 27: new Rockwood Long Term Care Home,

01:28:52 Speaker 27: and that we plan to have

01:28:54 Speaker 27: those. discussions regarding future use to

01:28:56 Speaker 27: begin in 2026. I give an

01:28:59 Speaker 27: overview of the facility age and

01:29:02 Speaker 27: and the assets that go along

01:29:03 Speaker 27: with it. The existing building is

01:29:07 Speaker 27: nearly 50 years old and increasingly

01:29:09 Speaker 27: requires significant asset management investment. A

01:29:11 Speaker 27: modern, efficient long-term care home would

01:29:15 Speaker 27: require extensive redevelopment to meet the

01:29:17 Speaker 27: current standards and regulatory requirements. And

01:29:19 Speaker 27: there's an opportunity for us to

01:29:25 Speaker 27: comment on the. operational constraints and

01:29:27 Speaker 27: the capital investment, staffing is another

01:29:29 Speaker 28: area of concern or potential risk

01:29:31 Speaker 28: in operating a second long-term care

01:29:35 Speaker 28: home, kind of on that campus.

01:29:37 Speaker 28: Operating both facilities would acquire would

01:29:39 Speaker 15: require approximately 190 additional specialized staff,

01:29:44 Speaker 15: and we're actively working on our

01:29:47 Speaker 15: recruitment and onboarding plan for the

01:29:49 Speaker 15: additional 35 staff to. operate the

01:29:56 Speaker 15: new long-term care home in the

01:30:01 Speaker 15: new building. So I think it's

01:30:02 Speaker 15: important that we comment on that

01:30:05 Speaker 27: in the survey. And and then

01:30:08 Speaker 27: the financial impact. Just noting that

01:30:09 Speaker 27: Gray County currently contributes twenty-five to

01:30:11 Speaker 27: thirty thousand dollars per bed annually

01:30:13 Speaker 27: from the levy to support long-term

01:30:16 Speaker 27: care operations. And adding beds would

01:30:19 Speaker 27: significantly increase the the county's financial

01:30:28 Speaker 27: burden. And then finally. any comments

01:30:29 Speaker 27: on the potential for redevelopment? Should

01:30:33 Speaker 27: the above challenges be addressed? And

01:30:34 Speaker 27: pending extensive feasibility analysis, in italics,

01:30:37 Speaker 27: there may be potential to redevelop

01:30:39 Speaker 29: the existing building to support continued

01:30:40 Speaker 29: long-term care use over the next

01:30:41 Speaker 29: 25 to 50 years. This would

01:30:43 Speaker 29: require sustained investment in asset management

01:30:45 Speaker 29: to extend the building's life plan

01:30:47 Speaker 29: lifespan. And if the county were

01:30:49 Speaker 29: to be considered as an operator

01:30:52 Speaker 29: and all. Considered as an operator,

01:30:53 Speaker 29: an alternative operating and capital funding

01:30:57 Speaker 29: model would be required to address

01:30:59 Speaker 29: the significant concerns with additional burden

01:31:00 Speaker 29: on the county property tax-supported budgets,

01:31:02 Speaker 29: and any future reuse would be

01:31:03 Speaker 29: subject to county council's further review,

01:31:04 Speaker 29: evaluation, and approval. And so, I'll

01:31:07 Speaker 29: leave it at that. The the

01:31:08 Speaker 29: list of recommendations ultimately to say

01:31:11 Speaker 29: we're seeking council's approval to complete

01:31:12 Speaker 29: the survey, with those items noted

01:31:13 Speaker 29: by the deadline of. October twenty-fourth.

01:31:15 Speaker 29: Okay, thank you very much for

01:31:17 Speaker 29: that. So I will now look

01:31:18 Speaker 29: to committee. The whole members for

01:31:20 Speaker 29: questions for Director Cornell. We'll start

01:31:21 Speaker 29: with Councillor McKay. Thank you, thank

01:31:22 Speaker 29: you, Warden. Has been any interest,

01:31:24 Speaker 29: or have you heard anything of

01:31:25 Speaker 29: any private organisation or company that

01:31:26 Speaker 29: would take this Rockwood tariffs that

01:31:31 Speaker 29: we have now? With tariffs that

01:31:32 Speaker 29: we have now, over and redeveloping

01:31:33 Speaker 29: into a long-term care. And through

01:31:36 Speaker 29: you, Warner Matrosovs, Councillor McKay. No,

01:31:39 Speaker 29: that none that has not been

01:31:41 Speaker 29: explored at this stage. So, if

01:31:42 Speaker 29: there is interest and the will

01:31:45 Speaker 29: of County Council is for us

01:31:46 Speaker 29: to do that exploration, we could

01:31:48 Speaker 29: do we could do that. But

01:31:50 Speaker 29: at this stage, haven't. no one

01:31:51 Speaker 14: has approached us in that sense?

01:31:52 Speaker 14: Okay. Oh, sorry. We'll go to

01:31:54 Speaker 14: the deputy CEO, and then I'll

01:31:57 Speaker 14: go to Councillor McQueen. Thank you,

01:31:59 Speaker 14: Warden. Yeah, just to add to

01:32:01 Speaker 14: Miss Connell's response, there, I think