Grey County County Council Meeting Transcript — October 9, 2025

00:05:39 Speaker 01: like to call to order this

00:05:40 Speaker 01: County Council meeting of October ninth,

00:05:42 Speaker 01: twenty twenty-five. At this point in

00:05:44 Speaker 01: time, as you are able, please

00:05:45 Speaker 01: join us in the singing and

00:05:47 Speaker 02: standing for "O Canada." O Canada,

00:06:03 Speaker 03: our home and native land, true

00:06:08 Speaker 03: patriot love in. all of us,

00:06:13 Speaker 03: command with glowing hearts. We see

00:06:19 Speaker 03: thee rise, the true North, strong

00:06:22 Speaker 04: and free. From far and wide,

00:06:27 Speaker 04: O Canada, we stand on guard

00:06:31 Speaker 04: for thee. God keep our land,

00:06:38 Speaker 04: glorious. and free, O Canada, we

00:06:46 Speaker 04: stand on guard for thee. O

00:06:52 Speaker 04: Canada, we stand on guard for

00:06:58 Speaker 04: thee. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Could

00:07:08 Speaker 04: you? please conduct our roll call?

00:07:10 Speaker 05: Councillor Mackie sends his regrets today.

00:07:20 Speaker 05: Councillor McKay. Councillor Carleton. Councillor

00:07:23 Speaker 06: Pringle. Councillor McQueen. Councillor Nielsen.

00:07:26 Speaker 06: Councillor Patterson. Councillor Dickert. Councillor

00:07:30 Speaker 06: Kentner. Councillor Kevney. Councillor Body.

00:07:33 Speaker 06: Councillor Gregg. Councillor Milne. Councillor

00:07:37 Speaker 06: Dobrine, Warden Matrasovs, Councillor Bourdignon,

00:07:40 Speaker 06: President, Councillor Eccles, Councillor

00:07:45 Speaker 06: Hutchinson. President, we have all members

00:07:48 Speaker 06: and attendance today, with the exception

00:07:49 Speaker 06: of Councillor Mackie. Thank you. Let

00:07:55 Speaker 06: us begin by acknowledging, with respect,

00:07:58 Speaker 06: that we are gathered on the

00:08:00 Speaker 06: traditional territory of the Anishinaabeg Nation,

00:08:02 Speaker 06: the people known as the Three

00:08:03 Speaker 01: Fires, known as the. Ojibwe, Odawa,

00:08:06 Speaker 01: and Potawatomi nations, we give thanks

00:08:09 Speaker 01: to the Chippewas of Saugeen and

00:08:11 Speaker 01: the Chippewas of Nawash, collectively known

00:08:13 Speaker 01: as the Saugeen Ojibwe Nation, the

00:08:16 Speaker 01: traditional keepers of these lands and

00:08:18 Speaker 01: waters since time immemorial. In our

00:08:21 Speaker 01: south lies the traditional territories of

00:08:23 Speaker 01: the Six Nations of the Grand

00:08:24 Speaker 01: River and the Haudenosaunee. We are

00:08:27 Speaker 01: dedicated to honouring Indigenous history and

00:08:30 Speaker 01: culture, and committed to moving forward

00:08:32 Speaker 01: in the spirit of. truth, reconciliation,

00:08:35 Speaker 01: and friendship with all First Nations,

00:08:38 Speaker 01: Métis, and Inuit peoples. At this

00:08:45 Speaker 01: point in time, I'll put out

00:08:46 Speaker 01: a call. If there are any

00:08:47 Speaker 01: declarations of interest for our council

00:08:49 Speaker 01: agenda this morning, seeing no hands,

00:08:53 Speaker 01: we'll move on to the adoption

00:08:55 Speaker 01: of the minutes. Item six A.

00:08:57 Speaker 01: It's recommended that the minutes of

00:08:58 Speaker 01: County Council meeting and committee, the

00:09:00 Speaker 01: whole meeting, dated September twenty fifth,

00:09:01 Speaker 01: twenty twenty five. and the resolutions

00:09:03 Speaker 01: contained therein be adopted as presented.

00:09:06 Speaker 01: May I ask for a mover?

00:09:08 Speaker 01: Moved by Councillor Gregg, seconded by

00:09:09 Speaker 01: Councillor Kevyn. Any discussion? Councillor McQueen.

00:09:17 Speaker 07: Like your Madam Warden, and just

00:09:20 Speaker 07: reviewing the minutes, I was not

00:09:21 Speaker 07: here at the last meeting, and

00:09:23 Speaker 07: I'm not here to ask for

00:09:25 Speaker 07: reconsideration, but I do want to

00:09:27 Speaker 07: bring some comments to those minutes

00:09:29 Speaker 07: with regards to the discussion around.

00:09:32 Speaker 07: Greg Ayles and and the report

00:09:34 Speaker 07: that was in front of council

00:09:35 Speaker 07: and the decision that county council

00:09:37 Speaker 07: made, a couple things. When the

00:09:40 Speaker 07: decision to apply for those extra

00:09:42 Speaker 07: beds was made, it was felt

00:09:45 Speaker 07: that this body felt that in

00:09:48 Speaker 07: order to make that facility more

00:09:51 Speaker 07: efficient, that application for more beds

00:09:53 Speaker 07: was was needed. Since the county

00:09:56 Speaker 07: council applied for those beds, the

00:09:58 Speaker 07: model that was applied for. was

00:10:01 Speaker 07: for a brand new build with

00:10:04 Speaker 07: regards to changing the current rockwood

00:10:06 Speaker 07: or sort of the current gray

00:10:08 Speaker 07: gables into a a long term

00:10:11 Speaker 07: or sort of a what do

00:10:13 Speaker 07: you call it assisted living. That

00:10:15 Speaker 07: was the model that was applied

00:10:17 Speaker 07: for. I do think that this

00:10:20 Speaker 07: body should have a conversation about

00:10:22 Speaker 07: is that still where this body

00:10:24 Speaker 07: wants to go? And I know

00:10:24 Speaker 07: there was a motion passed around

00:10:28 Speaker 07: 2022 that said. 22 that said

00:10:31 Speaker 07: we would pause on the redevelopment

00:10:33 Speaker 07: and the new bids for for

00:10:36 Speaker 07: Gray Gables until the tender was

00:10:38 Speaker 07: issued for Rockwood Terrace. That motion

00:10:39 Speaker 07: has not really been followed through

00:10:45 Speaker 07: on. Also, the discussion around maybe

00:10:47 Speaker 07: with the province and with the

00:10:49 Speaker 07: long-term care minister could be discussed.

00:10:51 Speaker 07: That, like I said, the model

00:10:52 Speaker 07: that was applied for was a

00:10:54 Speaker 07: brand new build, and I think

00:10:55 Speaker 07: the discussion that happened at Blas

00:10:57 Speaker 07: County Council was. Last county council

00:10:58 Speaker 07: was: if you do a brand

00:10:59 Speaker 07: new build, you don't get money

00:11:01 Speaker 07: to build the sixty-six. You only

00:11:04 Speaker 07: get money to build the additional

00:11:06 Speaker 07: sixty-two. So we did have a

00:11:09 Speaker 07: presentation from a consultant with regards

00:11:12 Speaker 07: to the model of of converting

00:11:14 Speaker 07: gravables into assisted living, and there

00:11:17 Speaker 07: was a revenue generation from that

00:11:18 Speaker 07: assisted living that would help offset

00:11:19 Speaker 07: those costs of those extra beds

00:11:23 Speaker 07: that you're not getting funding from

00:11:24 Speaker 07: the province. But I think at

00:11:26 Speaker 07: some point, and maybe it's a

00:11:29 Speaker 07: long-term. task force committee. Maybe could

00:11:31 Speaker 07: look at the opportunity. Is that

00:11:33 Speaker 07: what this body still wants today,

00:11:36 Speaker 07: or could we reconsider an application

00:11:38 Speaker 07: or amend an application to build

00:11:41 Speaker 07: a wing that would incorporate maybe

00:11:43 Speaker 07: 62 or 64? There's that model

00:11:45 Speaker 07: of 32 beds per nurse and

00:11:47 Speaker 07: all that kind of stuff. So

00:11:49 Speaker 07: I just would like to

00:11:51 Speaker 07: suggest that, from that conversation that

00:11:53 Speaker 07: happened and other conversations we had

00:11:54 Speaker 07: over the years, to take it

00:11:56 Speaker 07: back. to maybe that long-term care

00:11:57 Speaker 07: committee and have that discussion and

00:12:01 Speaker 07: have a further discussion of this

00:12:02 Speaker 07: body. I understand that the the

00:12:03 Speaker 07: heavy cost of the Rockwood Terrace.

00:12:04 Speaker 07: I think that was a lot

00:12:06 Speaker 07: of the discussion that happened at

00:12:08 Speaker 07: the last meeting and how the

00:12:09 Speaker 07: inflated cost per bed has has

00:12:12 Speaker 07: has risen over the last few

00:12:16 Speaker 07: years, and and also with regards

00:12:18 Speaker 07: to the model that has been

00:12:19 Speaker 07: applied for for Gray Gables and

00:12:21 Speaker 07: it's it's a it's a heavy

00:12:23 Speaker 07: cost and it's a lot more

00:12:25 Speaker 07: involved. But maybe we need. a

00:12:26 Speaker 07: revision on what we are asking

00:12:27 Speaker 07: for, or at least have that

00:12:30 Speaker 07: conversation. So I I suggest maybe

00:12:33 Speaker 07: at some point, Madam Warden, that

00:12:34 Speaker 07: we have this further discussion as

00:12:37 Speaker 07: as to the motion that was

00:12:38 Speaker 07: passed back in 2022 or thereabouts

00:12:42 Speaker 07: that it be deferred and not

00:12:43 Speaker 07: and be considered at this body

00:12:44 Speaker 07: after that tender was issued for

00:12:46 Speaker 07: Wacuterra. So we haven't actually followed

00:12:48 Speaker 07: up on that motion as well.

00:12:50 Speaker 07: So I'll leave it at that,

00:12:51 Speaker 07: and it's for conversation. But I

00:12:53 Speaker 07: think we need a further conversation

00:12:55 Speaker 07: of maybe what this body would

00:13:02 Speaker 08: prefer to go to if if

00:13:04 Speaker 08: that's the different direction. Okay, thank

00:13:06 Speaker 08: you. Thank you very much. Any

00:13:07 Speaker 08: further discussion on the minutes? Okay,

00:13:12 Speaker 08: then I'll call the vote. All

00:13:14 Speaker 08: those in favour, and that motion

00:13:15 Speaker 08: is carried. Next, we have it

00:13:17 Speaker 08: is item six B. It is

00:13:19 Speaker 08: recommended that the closed session committee

00:13:22 Speaker 08: the whole minutes of dated September

00:13:23 Speaker 08: twenty fifth. twenty twenty five, be

00:13:27 Speaker 08: adopted as provided. Moved by the

00:13:30 Speaker 08: deputy warden, seconded by Councillor Kentner.

00:13:32 Speaker 08: Any discussion? All those in favour?

00:13:35 Speaker 08: And that motion is carried. And

00:13:37 Speaker 08: the final set of minutes is

00:13:39 Speaker 08: item six C, which is the

00:13:41 Speaker 08: long term care, long term care

00:13:44 Speaker 08: committee of management meeting minutes. It's

00:13:46 Speaker 08: recommended that the long term

00:13:48 Speaker 08: care committee of management, sorry, long

00:13:50 Speaker 08: term care committee of management meeting

00:13:52 Speaker 08: minutes be. Meeting minutes dated September

00:13:55 Speaker 08: eighteenth, twenty twenty five, be adopted

00:13:59 Speaker 08: as presented, and that the following

00:14:01 Speaker 08: resolutions contained therein be endorsed, and

00:14:03 Speaker 08: that is number one, the report

00:14:06 Speaker 08: LTCRCM thirteen twenty five regarding a

00:14:10 Speaker 08: long term care director update be

00:14:12 Speaker 08: received for information, and number two,

00:14:15 Speaker 08: that report LTCRCM fifteen fourteen

00:14:17 Speaker 08: twenty five regarding the long term

00:14:19 Speaker 08: care operational report dated June fifteenth

00:14:20 Speaker 08: to August fourteenth. be received for

00:14:22 Speaker 08: information. May ask for a mover

00:14:24 Speaker 08: and a secondary. Move by Councillor

00:14:28 Speaker 08: Patterson, seconded by Councillor Carleton. It's

00:14:35 Speaker 08: now on the floor for discussion.

00:14:38 Speaker 09: So, ah, there you are, Director

00:14:40 Speaker 09: Cardell. The floor is yours. Oops.

00:14:43 Speaker 09: Thank you very much, Warden, and

00:14:45 Speaker 09: through you, good morning, County Council.

00:14:48 Speaker 09: As the Warden has already summarised,

00:14:49 Speaker 09: there were two reports at. this

00:14:52 Speaker 09: meeting. One is the director's update,

00:14:55 Speaker 09: and a couple of highlights from

00:14:57 Speaker 09: that. Just like to announce that

00:15:00 Speaker 09: Terry Fisher has stepped into the

00:15:02 Speaker 09: role as executive director at Rockwood

00:15:05 Speaker 09: Terrace, and we're really pleased to

00:15:08 Speaker 09: make that announcement and welcome her

00:15:12 Speaker 09: to that meeting. While Karen Kraus

00:15:16 Speaker 09: steps into the sole focus of

00:15:18 Speaker 09: operational readiness, getting ready for the

00:15:20 Speaker 09: the move. into the new Rockwood.

00:15:23 Speaker 09: Another couple of highlights. Just wanted

00:15:25 Speaker 09: to mention that we are well

00:15:30 Speaker 09: underway in preparing for the upcoming,

00:15:31 Speaker 09: which is really now here, respiratory

00:15:34 Speaker 09: season, and are actively getting preparations

00:15:37 Speaker 09: in place for the influenza and

00:15:40 Speaker 09: COVID vaccine clinics that we offer

00:15:43 Speaker 09: for the residents, for designated care

00:15:46 Speaker 09: partners, and for team members. And

00:15:48 Speaker 09: finally, just wanted to highlight. that

00:15:51 Speaker 09: we had a great tour of

00:15:53 Speaker 09: the three homes with Ward and

00:15:54 Speaker 09: Matrasov, CAO Shirts, sir, and Deputy

00:15:57 Speaker 09: CAO Lobbly. We had a chance

00:15:59 Speaker 09: to go to all three of

00:16:00 Speaker 09: the homes and saw something different

00:16:02 Speaker 09: at each of them. And it

00:16:04 Speaker 09: was it was a really great

00:16:05 Speaker 09: day for us to be able

00:16:08 Speaker 09: to connect with the team members

00:16:10 Speaker 09: and the residents, and for the

00:16:13 Speaker 09: team to be able to highlight

00:16:16 Speaker 09: some of their colourit stories for.

00:16:19 Speaker 09: Colourist stories for the senior leadership.

00:16:21 Speaker 09: The operational report covers the period

00:16:22 Speaker 09: of June fifteenth to August fourteenth,

00:16:25 Speaker 10: and highlights a number of areas

00:16:29 Speaker 10: that are that are noted. And

00:16:31 Speaker 10: if there's any questions about those,

00:16:33 Speaker 10: happy to answer them. Okay, thank

00:16:34 Speaker 10: you. We do have another item

00:16:35 Speaker 10: coming afterwards, but with regards to

00:16:40 Speaker 10: what has been moved and seconded

00:16:43 Speaker 10: on the floor for discussion, are

00:16:45 Speaker 10: there any questions for Director Cornell?

00:16:46 Speaker 10: Okay, we'll go over to Councillor

00:16:48 Speaker 10: McQueen. Thank you, Madam Warden, and

00:16:49 Speaker 07: thank you for your condensed version

00:16:52 Speaker 07: of that day. It was a

00:16:55 Speaker 07: great day, and there's a lot

00:16:58 Speaker 07: of concrete and block, and a

00:16:59 Speaker 07: lot of space for sure. And

00:17:04 Speaker 07: I don't know, through Madam Warden

00:17:05 Speaker 07: to Director Cornell, you spoke a

00:17:06 Speaker 07: little bit about when it's complete,

00:17:08 Speaker 07: it about having full capacity. I

00:17:09 Speaker 07: don't know if you want to

00:17:11 Speaker 07: give me some space a little

00:17:12 Speaker 05: bit. Wanna be in touch base

00:17:21 Speaker 05: a little bit because there's a

00:17:22 Speaker 05: certain time frame for funding, and

00:17:24 Speaker 11: and I have a follow up

00:17:26 Speaker 11: to that that I go into

00:17:28 Speaker 11: somewhere else. But sorry. Thank you.

00:17:30 Speaker 11: And through you were to match

00:17:31 Speaker 11: stuff, I might. That is a

00:17:36 Speaker 11: topic of the next set of

00:17:39 Speaker 10: minutes. So if you're good with

00:17:40 Speaker 10: with waiting, I'll make sure that

00:17:41 Speaker 10: I cover that off in the

00:17:42 Speaker 10: next summary. Okay. So any others?

00:17:45 Speaker 10: for this particular set of minutes?

00:17:47 Speaker 10: Okay, I don't see any further

00:17:51 Speaker 10: hands up nor online, so I'll

00:17:53 Speaker 10: call the question. All those

00:17:55 Speaker 10: in favour, and that motion is

00:17:58 Speaker 10: carried. Okay, so if you just

00:18:00 Speaker 10: don't go far. Item six D:

00:18:02 Speaker 10: It's recommended that the Long Term

00:18:04 Speaker 10: Care Redevelopment Planning Task Force meeting

00:18:07 Speaker 10: minutes dated September twenty fourth, twenty

00:18:08 Speaker 10: twenty five, be adopted as presented,

00:18:11 Speaker 10: and the following resolutions contained therein

00:18:13 Speaker 10: be endorsed, and there are a

00:18:14 Speaker 10: list. of eight resolutions that were

00:18:17 Speaker 10: contained in the minutes that have

00:18:19 Speaker 10: been duly circulated to both council

00:18:24 Speaker 12: and the public. So I will

00:18:26 Speaker 12: ask for a mover and a

00:18:29 Speaker 12: seconder. There, moved by Councillor Dobrine,

00:18:31 Speaker 12: seconded by Councillor McQueen. It's now

00:18:35 Speaker 12: on the floor for discussion. Director

00:18:36 Speaker 12: Cornell. Thank you, Warden Matrasovs, and

00:18:39 Speaker 12: through you, we also had an

00:18:42 Speaker 12: opportunity at this meeting to have

00:18:44 Speaker 12: a tour through. the construction site

00:18:45 Speaker 12: with the members of the redevelopment

00:18:48 Speaker 12: task force, and it was a

00:18:52 Speaker 12: little damp. But I have not

00:18:54 Speaker 12: yet toured where it isn't raining

00:18:56 Speaker 12: or snowing, but that day will

00:18:57 Speaker 12: come, I'm sure. But it is

00:19:00 Speaker 12: exciting. It's it's dot roof, and

00:19:03 Speaker 12: there's beams going up, and you

00:19:04 Speaker 12: can start to see what it's

00:19:07 Speaker 12: going to look like. So that

00:19:09 Speaker 12: was a really exciting opportunity, and

00:19:13 Speaker 12: the next time. it won't be

00:19:15 Speaker 12: wet, and there'll probably be lights,

00:19:19 Speaker 12: and it'll be even better. So,

00:19:22 Speaker 12: as the warden had mentioned, there

00:19:27 Speaker 12: is a series of resolutions that

00:19:30 Speaker 12: we discussed and and went through

00:19:33 Speaker 12: at the meeting. The first is

00:19:35 Speaker 12: around single sourcing of beds, bedside

00:19:37 Speaker 12: tables, over bed tables, lifts, tubs,

00:19:40 Speaker 12: sole sole sourcing of food production

00:19:44 Speaker 12: management support. for the new Rockwood

00:19:46 Speaker 12: Terrace, and we had a really

00:19:48 Speaker 12: good discussion with the committee at

00:19:51 Speaker 12: that meeting about our practices and

00:19:54 Speaker 12: processes for single source. Why we

00:19:57 Speaker 12: do it, we when, how do

00:19:59 Speaker 12: we vet it? And so it

00:20:02 Speaker 12: was a good discussion. We already

00:20:06 Speaker 12: do a sole source. Nope, we

00:20:10 Speaker 12: do a single source for our

00:20:12 Speaker 12: lift equipment, for example, and. that

00:20:17 Speaker 12: is to maintain some standardization across

00:20:19 Speaker 12: the three homes. We have maintenance

00:20:20 Speaker 12: contracts with the the provider that

00:20:23 Speaker 12: provides the equipment. We have the

00:20:24 Speaker 12: same equipment at all three homes.

00:20:26 Speaker 12: That there are personalized slings, for

00:20:27 Speaker 12: example, that go with lift equipment,

00:20:29 Speaker 12: and we want to make sure

00:20:33 Speaker 12: that, for safety reasons, for the

00:20:37 Speaker 12: resident and for the team members,

00:20:40 Speaker 12: that we're not having to kind

00:20:45 Speaker 12: of figure. out which sling goes

00:20:48 Speaker 12: with which brand of lift equipment,

00:20:51 Speaker 12: as an example. So we had

00:20:55 Speaker 12: that discussion. The discussion that Councillor

00:20:58 Speaker 12: McQueen is mentioning is the one

00:20:59 Speaker 12: regarding the operational readiness, estimated budget

00:21:03 Speaker 12: impacts, and there was some good,

00:21:06 Speaker 12: very good discussion around that. And

00:21:09 Speaker 12: as we anticipate the time. As

00:21:11 Speaker 12: we anticipate the timelines now, and

00:21:14 Speaker 12: these can change and be flexible,

00:21:16 Speaker 12: and so we're preparing for that.

00:21:18 Speaker 12: But as we're anticipating, the move

00:21:21 Speaker 12: is January two thousand and

00:21:23 Speaker 12: twenty-seven, which means there's going to

00:21:26 Speaker 12: be some expenses that kind of

00:21:28 Speaker 12: overlap between twenty twenty-six and twenty

00:21:32 Speaker 12: twenty-seven. So we need to onboard

00:21:35 Speaker 12: and recruit a number of staff.

00:21:37 Speaker 12: Estimated right now is approximately forty-seven

00:21:40 Speaker 12: new team members. and there is

00:21:41 Speaker 12: a link to a chart that

00:21:45 Speaker 12: outlines our proposed staffing complement. All

00:21:47 Speaker 12: of these details need to be

00:21:49 Speaker 12: fine-tuned and submitted to the Ministry

00:21:52 Speaker 12: of Long Term Care for inspection.

00:21:53 Speaker 12: We aren't able to make that

00:21:56 Speaker 12: kind of a move without two

00:21:57 Speaker 12: inspections that have passed by the

00:21:59 Speaker 12: the Ministry of Long Term Care,

00:22:02 Speaker 12: and then we're able to make

00:22:03 Speaker 12: that move. So. the onboarding and

00:22:06 Speaker 12: recruitment of new team members. We're

00:22:09 Speaker 12: onboarding them, and then we're moving

00:22:10 Speaker 12: to a brand new building. So

00:22:12 Speaker 12: we also need to ensure that

00:22:15 Speaker 12: there's education for the new team

00:22:17 Speaker 12: members, education and training on the

00:22:20 Speaker 12: different services, the layout of the

00:22:23 Speaker 12: building, things as simple as where

00:22:27 Speaker 12: they used to go get these

00:22:30 Speaker 12: these piece of equipment, this these

00:22:32 Speaker 12: linens, etc. Are all going to

00:22:35 Speaker 12: be new. So we need to

00:22:38 Speaker 12: account for that. The other areas

00:22:40 Speaker 12: that are that we've considered in

00:22:42 Speaker 12: terms of operating both spaces is

00:22:45 Speaker 12: a month of additional maintenance personnel

00:22:48 Speaker 12: to support the dual operations

00:22:51 Speaker 12: during the transition. So it's winter

00:22:52 Speaker 12: in Durham, so we'll need to

00:22:54 Speaker 12: be doing snow removal at the

00:22:56 Speaker 12: existing Rockwood, snow removal at the

00:22:58 Speaker 12: new Rockwood, for example. Mentioned recruitment

00:23:00 Speaker 12: costs for proposed new staff. additional

00:23:02 Speaker 12: hours for housekeeping personnel. So we

00:23:05 Speaker 12: need to make sure the new

00:23:07 Speaker 12: home is in tip-top shape, and

00:23:10 Speaker 12: we want to be cleaning the

00:23:12 Speaker 12: existing home. And there'll be a

00:23:14 Speaker 12: period of time where people are

00:23:16 Speaker 12: living in both for a day

00:23:19 Speaker 12: or two. Supplies is another area

00:23:22 Speaker 12: where the new building needs to

00:23:24 Speaker 12: be turnkey, ready to go. So

00:23:25 Speaker 12: when we move the residents, and

00:23:28 Speaker 12: at this stage, we're planning to

00:23:30 Speaker 12: do that move in one day.

00:23:32 Speaker 12: So. hopefully it's a light winter.

00:23:34 Speaker 12: But we will be, even though

00:23:35 Speaker 12: it's just around the corner, we

00:23:38 Speaker 12: won't be. We will be bringing

00:23:39 Speaker 12: in transportation to to weekend. If

00:23:43 Speaker 12: it was June, maybe we could

00:23:44 Speaker 12: wheel some people over and

00:23:47 Speaker 12: and have a little parade. But

00:23:50 Speaker 12: that will not be the case

00:23:52 Speaker 12: in January. So I don't think

00:23:55 Speaker 12: so. Some might want to do

00:23:59 Speaker 12: it, but and so we need

00:24:02 Speaker 12: to have one month's worth of

00:24:03 Speaker 12: essential supplies, including. medical supplies, paper

00:24:05 Speaker 12: products, food, and cleaning chemicals. As

00:24:06 Speaker 12: I mentioned, snow removal services, heat,

00:24:07 Speaker 12: hydro, water, fire protection for both

00:24:11 Speaker 12: buildings. We've also included security, so

00:24:12 Speaker 12: we'll need to have security at

00:24:17 Speaker 12: the new build while we're waiting

00:24:23 Speaker 12: to make the transition, and then

00:24:25 Speaker 12: when we've made the move, we'll

00:24:28 Speaker 12: need to have security on the

00:24:29 Speaker 12: existing Rockwood Terrace. And of course,

00:24:31 Speaker 12: the purchase of new linens, dishes,

00:24:32 Speaker 12: glassware, and cutlery. so we are

00:24:34 Speaker 12: anticipating those costs and those services

00:24:37 Speaker 12: and and resources need to be

00:24:39 Speaker 12: in place. As I mentioned, it

00:24:43 Speaker 12: is a bit of a moving

00:24:45 Speaker 12: target. When we get closer, we'll

00:24:47 Speaker 12: have a much better sense of

00:24:48 Speaker 12: the time. So, it if the

00:24:51 Speaker 12: move happens a little later, there

00:24:54 Speaker 12: may not not be an impact

00:24:58 Speaker 12: to 2026 at all. If the

00:25:00 Speaker 12: move so just to know that

00:25:04 Speaker 12: there is a moving target there,

00:25:06 Speaker 12: but as we see it right

00:25:07 Speaker 12: now, we're planning for that anticipated

00:25:09 Speaker 12: move date. Oh wait, there's more.

00:25:12 Speaker 12: There's more. And then finally, and

00:25:14 Speaker 12: if there's questions about this, I

00:25:15 Speaker 12: will defer to CIO Schirzler. CIO

00:25:19 Speaker 12: Schirzler brought a report regarding an

00:25:21 Speaker 12: update on the tender results and

00:25:22 Speaker 12: cost sharing breakdown of the Southeast

00:25:26 Speaker 12: Street project, and there was some

00:25:28 Speaker 12: discussion. around that as well, and

00:25:31 Speaker 13: I'll hand it back to you,

00:25:33 Speaker 13: Warden Nottage. Okay, CEO Schertz, or

00:25:36 Speaker 13: did you want to do any

00:25:38 Speaker 13: introductory comments before I put it

00:25:40 Speaker 13: out for questions? Sure, I'll just

00:25:43 Speaker 13: just to build on the Jen's

00:25:44 Speaker 13: comments about the So Streets project,

00:25:46 Speaker 13: and and that amended agreement is

00:25:47 Speaker 13: is actually as part of the

00:25:49 Speaker 13: the council package today. So just

00:25:51 Speaker 13: a refresher for this: there is

00:25:52 Speaker 13: a stormwater system under So Streets.

00:25:54 Speaker 13: Stormwater system under South Street East

00:25:58 Speaker 13: that needs upgrades in order to

00:26:01 Speaker 13: handle the runoff from from the

00:26:02 Speaker 13: Rockwood Terrace as and as well

00:26:05 Speaker 13: as the Rockwood Early Works that

00:26:07 Speaker 13: we call based on the South

00:26:10 Speaker 13: Street East extension and the Rock

00:26:13 Speaker 13: Street extension that was required for

00:26:14 Speaker 13: to support this build. The current

00:26:16 Speaker 13: infrastructure is undersized; it it lacks

00:26:17 Speaker 13: sufficient slope and and could pose

00:26:19 Speaker 13: then further flood risks if not

00:26:21 Speaker 13: upgraded. So West Gray and its

00:26:23 Speaker 13: consultant proposed a two phase replacement

00:26:26 Speaker 13: of the storm. sewer from Elgin

00:26:28 Speaker 13: to Countess Street. So Phase A

00:26:29 Speaker 13: is currently underway as we speak.

00:26:31 Speaker 13: Phase B will start next year.

00:26:33 Speaker 13: All of that will be completed

00:26:35 Speaker 13: by the fall of next year,

00:26:37 Speaker 13: which aligns with the Rockwood Terrace

00:26:39 Speaker 13: redevelopment, as as Director Cornell just

00:26:43 Speaker 13: noted in terms of timing. Under

00:26:46 Speaker 13: the Rockwood Early Works Cost Share

00:26:48 Speaker 13: Agreement, West Gray and Gray County

00:26:50 Speaker 13: committed to sharing the costs of

00:26:53 Speaker 13: the downstream improvements. And earlier this

00:26:55 Speaker 13: year, County Council approved an upset

00:26:59 Speaker 13: limit of 1.7 million for its.

00:27:02 Speaker 13: share, final amount determined post tender.

00:27:05 Speaker 13: Contract was awarded to Moorfield Excavating

00:27:06 Speaker 13: by West Gray. That was the

00:27:08 Speaker 13: lowest bidder. The total project cost

00:27:11 Speaker 13: is just over three million dollars.

00:27:15 Speaker 13: West Gray share is about 1.9

00:27:17 Speaker 13: million. Gray County share came in

00:27:20 Speaker 13: at 1.2 million. So, approximately just

00:27:21 Speaker 13: under, just over, or under 500

00:27:24 Speaker 13: thousand dollars, based on the upset

00:27:25 Speaker 13: limit. Based on the offset limit

00:27:26 Speaker 13: that was established earlier, so based

00:27:35 Speaker 14: on that, there's a it's broken

00:27:38 Speaker 14: down into two phases: so 780,000

00:27:41 Speaker 15: this year, 443,000 next year. That

00:27:43 Speaker 15: will be funded from the Rockwood

00:27:45 Speaker 15: Terrace Redevelopment Project, and there's sufficient

00:27:48 Speaker 15: funds within that overall project to

00:27:50 Speaker 15: cover those costs. And so, as

00:27:52 Speaker 15: I noted, an amendment agreement has

00:27:55 Speaker 15: been prepared, which is included in

00:27:57 Speaker 15: today's council's agenda. Okay, so we'll

00:27:59 Speaker 15: go to questions. We'll start with

00:28:01 Speaker 15: the Deputy Warden. Thank you, Madam

00:28:03 Speaker 15: Warden, and thank you, Jen, for

00:28:06 Speaker 15: the report. The notion of the

00:28:10 Speaker 15: single sourcing—it always makes me just

00:28:13 Speaker 15: a little bit nervous when when

00:28:15 Speaker 15: we're going to a sole or

00:28:17 Speaker 15: single source, you know, to buy

00:28:19 Speaker 15: anything, really. But I've had a

00:28:21 Speaker 15: number of conversations with Jen and

00:28:23 Speaker 15: some other members of her staff,

00:28:25 Speaker 15: and. there are a host of

00:28:30 Speaker 07: really good reasons why we need

00:28:32 Speaker 07: to do this. Patient or resident

00:28:33 Speaker 07: safety is of paramount importance, and

00:28:34 Speaker 07: and that is the primary reason

00:28:37 Speaker 07: why we should do what is

00:28:38 Speaker 07: being proposed. And I want to

00:28:41 Speaker 07: thank Jen for comforting my mind,

00:28:43 Speaker 07: so to speak, that we're doing

00:28:44 Speaker 07: the right thing. So thank you,

00:28:46 Speaker 07: Jen. Okay. Thank you. Any other

00:28:48 Speaker 07: questions or comments? Councillor McQueen? Thank

00:28:49 Speaker 07: you, Madam Ward. Just a follow

00:28:52 Speaker 07: up, and thanks for your response,

00:28:53 Speaker 07: Sir Jim. You just, I guess,

00:28:54 Speaker 07: you had mentioned something about full

00:28:55 Speaker 07: occupancy in order to get full

00:28:57 Speaker 07: funding, and the reason I I

00:28:58 Speaker 12: raised that, I was through Steiner

00:29:02 Speaker 12: just last week, and they just

00:29:03 Speaker 12: opened a new long term care

00:29:07 Speaker 12: home there, and it has a

00:29:10 Speaker 12: sign of beds available or something

00:29:14 Speaker 12: like that. And I thought when

00:29:16 Speaker 12: you said that time we got

00:29:19 Speaker 12: we have to get around 100%

00:29:22 Speaker 12: occupancy to get our full funding,

00:29:25 Speaker 12: and I thought that was the

00:29:28 Speaker 12: part I was raising. Thank you,

00:29:33 Speaker 12: Councillor McQueen, and through you, Wanda

00:29:36 Speaker 12: Matrasovs. Thank you for raising that.

00:29:39 Speaker 12: In part, in our work with

00:29:43 Speaker 12: Colliers project managers that are helping

00:29:47 Speaker 12: us get ready for operational readiness,

00:29:52 Speaker 12: because there is a great deal

00:29:55 Speaker 12: of regulations that go along with

00:29:56 Speaker 12: that. They have briefed us very

00:29:58 Speaker 12: early in this process that the.

00:30:00 Speaker 12: occupancy expectation by the ministry is

00:30:02 Speaker 12: to be at full occupancy in

00:30:04 Speaker 12: 14 days of the move, which

00:30:06 Speaker 12: is I have concerns about that

00:30:09 Speaker 12: level of of expectation. We're moving

00:30:11 Speaker 12: potentially 85 to 100 residents from

00:30:13 Speaker 12: existing Rockwood. There'll be a time

00:30:15 Speaker 12: where we stop moving in new

00:30:19 Speaker 12: residents. as we as the date

00:30:21 Speaker 12: of the move comes closer. So

00:30:23 Speaker 12: it's hard to say. It's winter.

00:30:25 Speaker 12: It's hard to say what our

00:30:29 Speaker 12: occupancy of the existing Rockwood will

00:30:33 Speaker 12: be. But probably around ninety residents

00:30:36 Speaker 12: to a hundred. They will make

00:30:39 Speaker 12: a move along with one hundred

00:30:41 Speaker 12: and eighty nine to two hundred

00:30:45 Speaker 12: and twenty five team members to

00:30:46 Speaker 12: figure out how to live and

00:30:50 Speaker 12: work in a brand new building

00:30:52 Speaker 12: that they have had fairly limited.

00:30:55 Speaker 12: experience working in, and then move

00:30:57 Speaker 12: in another twenty-eight to thirty-five residents

00:31:00 Speaker 12: in fourteen days. It's a, I

00:31:02 Speaker 12: think it's an unrealistic expectation, and

00:31:04 Speaker 12: it's something that I have raised

00:31:07 Speaker 12: with our association, Advantage Ontario, and

00:31:09 Speaker 12: might be something we discuss as

00:31:12 Speaker 12: a potential delegation topic at at

00:31:13 Speaker 12: the upcoming Roma. It's not a

00:31:16 Speaker 12: dignified expectation. Signified expectation. This is

00:31:21 Speaker 12: a making a move into long-term

00:31:22 Speaker 12: care is one of the most

00:31:25 Speaker 12: significant decisions and experiences that someone

00:31:27 Speaker 12: has to make for themselves or

00:31:30 Speaker 12: someone that they love. And we

00:31:31 Speaker 12: we know from experience that when

00:31:33 Speaker 12: the move-in is done well, that

00:31:35 Speaker 12: the experience living in the home

00:31:37 Speaker 12: is much better than when the

00:31:38 Speaker 12: move-in feels like a chaotic experience.

00:31:43 Speaker 12: And there's some we have some.

00:31:45 Speaker 12: big concerns about what that experience

00:31:47 Speaker 12: might be for those 25 or

00:31:50 Speaker 12: 30, 25 to 35 people moving

00:31:51 Speaker 12: in two at a time, two

00:31:58 Speaker 12: a day. Essentially, it's two a

00:32:00 Speaker 12: day, maybe even three a day.

00:32:02 Speaker 07: So, thank you for raising that.

00:32:05 Speaker 07: And this is something that we

00:32:07 Speaker 07: will bring to either committee of

00:32:07 Speaker 07: management, redevelopment task force, county council,

00:32:09 Speaker 07: wherever the appropriate place is to

00:32:10 Speaker 07: bring this. Again, I will be

00:32:13 Speaker 07: hoping to bring this. forward for

00:32:15 Speaker 07: further discussion. Thank you, and thank

00:32:17 Speaker 07: you, Madam Moore. That's the part

00:32:19 Speaker 07: I—14 days did not seem realistic,

00:32:26 Speaker 07: and so I mean, maybe, maybe

00:32:28 Speaker 08: more like two months might seem

00:32:31 Speaker 08: more. And and I don't know

00:32:34 Speaker 08: if you talked to other new

00:32:35 Speaker 08: homes that are opening yet. They've

00:32:37 Speaker 08: had some some mediation or or

00:32:39 Speaker 08: some flexibility on that part, but

00:32:41 Speaker 08: I just thought it was interesting

00:32:43 Speaker 08: that signs said beds available from

00:32:45 Speaker 08: a brand new home. so thank

00:32:46 Speaker 08: you. Okay. Any other questions or

00:32:48 Speaker 08: comments for these minutes? Okay, I'm

00:32:51 Speaker 08: not seeing any hands online or

00:32:54 Speaker 08: in the room, so I'll call

00:32:56 Speaker 08: the question. All those in favour,

00:32:58 Speaker 08: and that motion is carried. Thank

00:32:59 Speaker 08: you very much, Director Pournelle. We

00:33:01 Speaker 08: do not have any closed meeting

00:33:03 Speaker 08: matters to discuss nor reports, so

00:33:06 Speaker 08: we can go straight to

00:33:08 Speaker 08: item number nine, which is the

00:33:11 Speaker 08: bylaws. It's recommended that bylaws 52,

00:33:13 Speaker 08: 52, 25, and 52, 53, 25

00:33:16 Speaker 08: be introduced and taken as read

00:33:18 Speaker 08: first, second, and third time. Finally,

00:33:19 Speaker 08: passed, signed by the warden and

00:33:21 Speaker 08: the clerk, sealed with the seal

00:33:23 Speaker 08: of the corporation, and engrossed into

00:33:26 Speaker 08: the bylaw book. Number one, 52,

00:33:28 Speaker 08: 52, 25, a bylaw to amend

00:33:31 Speaker 08: the infrastructure responsibility and cost sharing

00:33:34 Speaker 08: agreement for the Rockwood Rockwood Terrace

00:33:36 Speaker 08: Early Works, and number two, 52,

00:33:39 Speaker 08: 53, 25, a bylaw to. Five,

00:33:40 Speaker 08: a bylaw to confirm all actions

00:33:41 Speaker 16: and proceedings of the council. May

00:33:51 Speaker 16: I ask for a mover and

00:33:53 Speaker 16: a seconder? Moved by Councillor Diggert,

00:33:53 Speaker 16: and seconded by Councillor Eccles. Any

00:33:54 Speaker 16: discussion? All those in favour? And

00:33:56 Speaker 17: that motion is carried. Thank you.

00:33:57 Speaker 17: News and celebrations. We've got

00:33:59 Speaker 17: two different news items to come

00:34:01 Speaker 17: forth from staff. We'll begin with

00:34:03 Speaker 17: those. First up, Director Taylor. I

00:34:05 Speaker 17: believe you have some exciting news

00:34:07 Speaker 17: to share with us. Yeah. Good

00:34:09 Speaker 17: morning, Madam Warden and members of

00:34:11 Speaker 17: County Council. So today I

00:34:13 Speaker 17: have some very good news to

00:34:16 Speaker 17: share with you on behalf of

00:34:19 Speaker 17: the Planning Department. I'd like you

00:34:21 Speaker 17: to join me in congratulating Cassandra

00:34:23 Speaker 17: Dilman, the county's intermediate planner,

00:34:25 Speaker 17: who's sitting in the back here

00:34:26 Speaker 17: with us today, who recently passed

00:34:28 Speaker 17: her professional exam to become a

00:34:30 Speaker 17: registered professional planner, or you might

00:34:32 Speaker 17: know the acronym RPP. For those

00:34:34 Speaker 17: that might be unfamiliar, registered professional

00:34:36 Speaker 17: planners in Ontario. are certified as

00:34:38 Speaker 17: such after after obtaining the required

00:34:40 Speaker 17: education, logging years worth of work

00:34:42 Speaker 17: experience, and passing both an

00:34:45 Speaker 17: ethics and a final professional examination.

00:34:47 Speaker 17: I'm sure there's probably a joke

00:34:48 Speaker 17: there about taking years to become

00:34:50 Speaker 17: a planner and and going through

00:34:52 Speaker 17: the process, but I'm I'm not

00:34:54 Speaker 17: going to touch that one. Um,

00:34:56 Speaker 17: so once these requirements once these

00:34:58 Speaker 17: requirements have been met, planners can

00:34:59 Speaker 17: use the official RPP title and

00:35:01 Speaker 05: can and can more easily be

00:35:14 Speaker 01: qualified to give professional opinion evidence

00:35:15 Speaker 01: at tribunals. After certification, planners need

00:35:17 Speaker 01: to uphold these requirements by not

00:35:21 Speaker 01: only acting in the public interest,

00:35:22 Speaker 01: but they're also bound by the

00:35:24 Speaker 01: professional code of practice and are

00:35:25 Speaker 01: required to complete a defined amount

00:35:26 Speaker 01: required to complete a defined amount

00:35:29 Speaker 01: of professional learning credits each year.

00:35:31 Speaker 01: So once again, I'd like to

00:35:33 Speaker 01: congratulate Cassandra on this remarkable achievement.

00:35:35 Speaker 01: Excellent news indeed, and I think

00:35:37 Speaker 01: it's always a healthy reminder about

00:35:39 Speaker 01: what goes in behind our professional

00:35:41 Speaker 01: and certified planners and and all

00:35:44 Speaker 01: the other professions that are guided.

00:35:45 Speaker 01: We hear a lot from long-term

00:35:47 Speaker 01: care. We know all the processes

00:35:50 Speaker 01: you have to go through there.

00:35:52 Speaker 01: Early childhood education. There are so

00:35:54 Speaker 01: many fields that that we see

00:35:56 Speaker 01: here among the staff of Gray

00:35:58 Speaker 01: County that require a lot of

00:35:59 Speaker 01: dedication to their own profession in

00:36:03 Speaker 18: order to deliver an outstanding. service

00:36:06 Speaker 18: as they do. So, with that,

00:36:08 Speaker 18: we have some more exciting news.

00:36:10 Speaker 18: I think the rock band A

00:36:13 Speaker 18: C A A B C D

00:36:15 Speaker 18: is here, and I witnessed a

00:36:17 Speaker 18: wonderful beginning of an event that

00:36:21 Speaker 18: you're going to share with us.

00:36:22 Speaker 18: It was a fantastic effort, and

00:36:25 Speaker 18: so many people were so thrilled

00:36:29 Speaker 18: to be there. So, take it

00:36:31 Speaker 18: away, please, Director Shaw. Good morning,

00:36:33 Speaker 18: Warden and County Council. I'd like

00:36:34 Speaker 18: to ask Tara. Cockrell to come

00:36:39 Speaker 18: up to the podium. Tara's our

00:36:42 Speaker 18: early learning and child care manager.

00:36:44 Speaker 19: Each year, we provide or we

00:36:45 Speaker 19: receive funding from the province in

00:36:47 Speaker 19: order to host professional learning events

00:36:49 Speaker 19: for all of our early on

00:36:51 Speaker 19: educators and all of our childhood

00:36:53 Speaker 19: childhood educators in in in Grey

00:36:55 Speaker 19: County. So Tara and our team

00:36:58 Speaker 19: put together an amazing event on

00:37:00 Speaker 19: September twenty six and are here

00:37:02 Speaker 19: to share some details. Good morning,

00:37:04 Speaker 19: Council. As Anne Marie said, we

00:37:06 Speaker 19: had a great event on September

00:37:07 Speaker 19: 26. Just wanted to share some

00:37:09 Speaker 19: information about that. So, as I've

00:37:11 Speaker 19: shared in the past, our early

00:37:13 Speaker 19: childhood educators play an essential role

00:37:15 Speaker 19: in supporting the growth, learning, and

00:37:17 Speaker 19: well-being of young children. Through their

00:37:19 Speaker 19: dedication and professionalism, ECEs provide safe,

00:37:20 Speaker 19: nurturing, and engaging environments to help

00:37:21 Speaker 19: children develop the skills and confidence

00:37:23 Speaker 19: they need to thrive. On September

00:37:27 Speaker 19: 26, we prepared for nearly 300

00:37:30 Speaker 19: team members from the early learning

00:37:32 Speaker 19: sector to join the ELCC team

00:37:33 Speaker 19: in Owen Sound for a day

00:37:36 Speaker 19: of professional learning. It was a

00:37:40 Speaker 19: day filled with conversation, collabouration, and

00:37:41 Speaker 19: a lot of fun. This third

00:37:42 Speaker 19: annual Growing Great Kids event has

00:37:44 Speaker 19: grown so much that we had

00:37:45 Speaker 19: to host the day in two

00:37:47 Speaker 19: locations at both the Bayshore and

00:37:51 Speaker 19: at the Best Western. Okay, that

00:37:53 Speaker 19: worked great. Some of our topics

00:37:54 Speaker 19: included special workshops on nutrition for

00:37:55 Speaker 19: our cooks and nutrition. for our

00:37:57 Speaker 19: cooks and nutritionists in the child

00:37:58 Speaker 19: care programmemes, maker space and risky

00:38:01 Speaker 19: play sessions from ECCDC that you

00:38:02 Speaker 19: see here. We got to witness

00:38:04 Speaker 19: how to incorporate wood burning into

00:38:07 Speaker 19: the school age programme, which was

00:38:11 Speaker 19: really interesting to learn how that

00:38:13 Speaker 19: could be done safely. We had

00:38:15 Speaker 19: mindful Mike Mike Massey come

00:38:17 Speaker 19: up to talk to both sessions

00:38:19 Speaker 19: in the morning and in the

00:38:21 Speaker 19: afternoon about being kind to your

00:38:23 Speaker 19: mind. Very important for all of

00:38:26 Speaker 19: us, but especially people working in

00:38:28 Speaker 19: this sector. And during the

00:38:30 Speaker 19: lunch. break, we had a lot

00:38:32 Speaker 19: of fun as well. Everything from

00:38:34 Speaker 19: cornhole, giant Jenga, and our very,

00:38:35 Speaker 19: very popular giant Thingo game. We

00:38:36 Speaker 19: also acknowledged ECE Appreciation Day, that

00:38:39 Speaker 19: takes place on October 21st, an

00:38:41 Speaker 19: opportunity to acknowledge and celebrate the

00:38:43 Speaker 19: valuable contributions of these educators in

00:38:45 Speaker 19: our communities. I'd like to thank

00:38:48 Speaker 19: Board and Matrissots and Director Shaw

00:38:50 Speaker 19: for providing opening remarks at each

00:38:51 Speaker 19: location. And this event would not

00:38:53 Speaker 19: happen without the organised Happen without

00:38:54 Speaker 19: the organisation's support and creativity of

00:38:56 Speaker 05: the small but mighty early learning

00:39:09 Speaker 05: and child care team. Some of

00:39:10 Speaker 20: them are here with me today.

00:39:12 Speaker 20: Some of them are providing work

00:39:14 Speaker 20: programmeming right now. So again, a

00:39:15 Speaker 20: special thank you to our team:

00:39:16 Speaker 20: Ashley, Kristen, Lori, Jill, Stacy, Katie,

00:39:20 Speaker 20: Kim, Julie, and Rachel. Leading up

00:39:23 Speaker 20: to ECE Appreciation Day, we encourage

00:39:24 Speaker 20: everyone to take an opportunity to

00:39:26 Speaker 20: thank ECEs in our community for

00:39:28 Speaker 20: their commitment and the positive impact

00:39:29 Speaker 20: they have on children, families, and

00:39:31 Speaker 20: the broader community. Thank you very

00:39:33 Speaker 20: much, Manager Cockrell, and thank you

00:39:35 Speaker 20: to the entire crew that put

00:39:37 Speaker 20: that effort together. It it was

00:39:39 Speaker 20: very clear from the moment I

00:39:42 Speaker 20: walked through the doors that this

00:39:44 Speaker 20: was a well-executed, organised day. That,

00:39:46 Speaker 20: as as Manager Cockrell said, was

00:39:48 Speaker 20: so popular that there was actually

00:39:50 Speaker 20: a spillover into the Best Western

00:39:51 Speaker 20: as well. So, how fantastic! was

00:39:53 Speaker 20: that? People were looking so forward

00:39:59 Speaker 21: to connecting with each other that

00:40:04 Speaker 21: that day, but the content of

00:40:06 Speaker 21: the programmeming that you provided was

00:40:08 Speaker 21: outstanding. So thank you so much

00:40:11 Speaker 21: for all that. That you're truly

00:40:13 Speaker 21: in your roles, you're helping others

00:40:16 Speaker 21: achieve more than outstanding work in

00:40:18 Speaker 21: their own roles. So it can't

00:40:21 Speaker 21: happen without you. Thank you. Okay,

00:40:23 Speaker 21: so with that, then we'll put

00:40:25 Speaker 21: it out to county council members

00:40:27 Speaker 21: for news and celebrations that you'd

00:40:31 Speaker 21: like to share. We'll begin with

00:40:32 Speaker 21: Councillor Kentner. Councillor Kentner. Thank you,

00:40:34 Speaker 21: Madam Matrasovs, Gordon Matrasovs. Kind of

00:40:37 Speaker 21: shocked a little bit this morning.

00:40:40 Speaker 21: Only recently did I write a

00:40:42 Speaker 21: letter endorsing the need for a

00:40:49 Speaker 21: new public school in Meaford, but

00:40:51 Speaker 21: we learned today through the press

00:40:53 Speaker 05: that Meaford is getting a new

00:41:02 Speaker 05: K to grade three and daycare

00:41:04 Speaker 22: on the former track and field.

00:41:06 Speaker 22: property on Aiken Street, opposite the

00:41:09 Speaker 22: former Georgian Bay Secondary School, and

00:41:11 Speaker 22: as residents of Meaford, Shirley and

00:41:14 Speaker 22: I are both very well aware

00:41:17 Speaker 22: of how badly this is needed.

00:41:20 Speaker 22: the The new community school is

00:41:21 Speaker 22: bursting at the seams, and all

00:41:24 Speaker 22: of this because Meaford is truly

00:41:25 Speaker 22: growing. Thank you, and I'll look

00:41:28 Speaker 22: to other members to share news.

00:41:29 Speaker 22: We'll go. to Councillor McKay. Thank

00:41:32 Speaker 22: you, Warden. Just to bring you

00:41:34 Speaker 22: up to date, I had some

00:41:37 Speaker 22: good news from my mayor and

00:41:39 Speaker 22: your fellow councillor. He's back in

00:41:40 Speaker 22: Ontario, which is a blessing, and

00:41:43 Speaker 22: he sends all his best. He

00:41:46 Speaker 22: has number appointments that he has

00:41:50 Speaker 22: to attend, and he's going to

00:41:52 Speaker 20: keep. me up to date, and

00:41:53 Speaker 20: it kind of opens your eyes

00:41:55 Speaker 20: to know how much a mayor

00:41:57 Speaker 20: does when the deputy mayor has

00:41:59 Speaker 20: to take over the position of

00:42:02 Speaker 20: mayor. So, just what have to

00:42:04 Speaker 20: twice as much work. But anyway,

00:42:06 Speaker 20: I'm glad to do it for

00:42:07 Speaker 20: him, and hope I can help

00:42:10 Speaker 20: him out a bit on recuperating

00:42:11 Speaker 20: and getting getting back to work

00:42:13 Speaker 20: again. So, thanks. Keep keep me

00:42:17 Speaker 23: near around blessings. Thank you very

00:42:22 Speaker 23: much, Councillor McKay. And indeed, I'm

00:42:24 Speaker 23: sure it's reassuring that you're there

00:42:25 Speaker 23: in the driver's seat to be

00:42:31 Speaker 23: able to assist. So that truly,

00:42:33 Speaker 23: that must be a comforting message

00:42:38 Speaker 23: back to the the whole Mackie

00:42:39 Speaker 23: family. And certainly, on behalf of

00:42:42 Speaker 23: all of Council, we continue to

00:42:44 Speaker 23: to keep him in our thoughts

00:42:48 Speaker 23: and are excited to hear these

00:42:49 Speaker 23: these news news updates of progress.

00:42:51 Speaker 23: So thank you very much for

00:42:53 Speaker 23: sharing that. And other, we'll go

00:42:55 Speaker 23: over to Councillor Body. Thank you,

00:42:56 Speaker 23: Warden. Last one day last week,

00:42:59 Speaker 23: Deputy Mayor Greg and I had

00:43:02 Speaker 23: the opportunity of welcoming the Ontario

00:43:05 Speaker 23: Lieutenant Governor Dumont to to On

00:43:08 Speaker 23: Sound as she got off the

00:43:10 Speaker 23: boat from the HMCS. I'll put

00:43:11 Speaker 23: those in the right order: Her

00:43:14 Speaker 23: Majesty's Canadian Ship. Yes, Margaret Brooke,

00:43:17 Speaker 23: and we had a nice little

00:43:18 Speaker 23: nice little visit. with Lieutenant Governor.

00:43:20 Speaker 23: We look forward to her returning

00:43:23 Speaker 23: to the area, which she is

00:43:24 Speaker 23: very keen to do at some

00:43:26 Speaker 23: point, given her experience that she

00:43:31 Speaker 23: was up here. It's also pretty

00:43:33 Speaker 23: special to welcome the Canadian Canadian

00:43:37 Speaker 23: Navy ship in the On Sound

00:43:39 Speaker 23: Harbor. They're touring through the Upper

00:43:42 Speaker 23: Lakes, really in a recruiting mission.

00:43:44 Speaker 07: We got to go up for

00:43:46 Speaker 07: a little little boat ride on

00:43:48 Speaker 07: Monday, and it's an unbelievable piece

00:43:51 Speaker 07: of technology. from from from a

00:43:52 Speaker 07: guy that likes to sail in

00:43:55 Speaker 07: a 1980 sailboat. It's it was

00:43:56 Speaker 07: pretty amazing and great crew. Great

00:43:59 Speaker 07: great to have them in the

00:44:00 Speaker 07: area. Anyone's got any questions about

00:44:04 Speaker 07: the ship? Ask me after. Thanks.

00:44:07 Speaker 07: Thank you, and we'll go to

00:44:10 Speaker 07: Councillor McQueen. Well, I think it

00:44:11 Speaker 07: must be mentioned that our beloved

00:44:12 Speaker 07: Toronto or Toronto Blue Jays won

00:44:14 Speaker 07: last night in. One last night

00:44:18 Speaker 07: in New York, which I think

00:44:19 Speaker 07: was a defeat in itself. I

00:44:20 Speaker 07: don't know those that remember back

00:44:21 Speaker 07: in 1992, 93 of the run

00:44:22 Speaker 07: that they had back then was

00:44:26 Speaker 07: was pretty exciting. I remember back

00:44:28 Speaker 07: then how it was sort of

00:44:29 Speaker 07: a unity through Canada at that

00:44:31 Speaker 07: time. I think this is again

00:44:39 Speaker 07: another opportunity for our team, the

00:44:42 Speaker 07: Canadian team, to even bring us

00:44:43 Speaker 07: more faith in our team, in

00:44:45 Speaker 20: our country, and everything else because.

00:44:46 Speaker 20: it is only one ball team

00:44:47 Speaker 20: in Canada that represents us, and

00:44:49 Speaker 20: they're at the at the at

00:44:50 Speaker 20: the head of the at the

00:44:51 Speaker 20: head of the part of maybe

00:44:54 Speaker 20: winning it all for the World

00:44:56 Speaker 20: Series. So let's cheer on our

00:44:57 Speaker 24: Blue Jays and and certainly look

00:44:59 Speaker 24: look for some good times in

00:45:00 Speaker 24: the next few weeks for sure,

00:45:01 Speaker 24: because that was an interesting time

00:45:03 Speaker 24: in ninety two, ninety three. Okay,

00:45:05 Speaker 24: thank you very much. for sharing

00:45:08 Speaker 24: that baseball news, and to the

00:45:09 Speaker 24: deputy warden who wants to remember

00:45:11 Speaker 24: that wants us to remember that

00:45:13 Speaker 24: hockey is always forever in our

00:45:15 Speaker 24: hearts as well. And with that,

00:45:17 Speaker 24: we're going to go to Councillor

00:45:18 Speaker 24: Bordignon, and then we'll go to

00:45:21 Speaker 24: Councillor Dobrein. Thank you, Madam Warden.

00:45:22 Speaker 24: Good morning, County Council. Just a

00:45:25 Speaker 24: bit of good news on the

00:45:26 Speaker 24: physician recruiting front. It's you know

00:45:28 Speaker 24: I know it's an effort done

00:45:29 Speaker 24: by not just all nine member

00:45:31 Speaker 24: municipalities but throughout the province. So

00:45:34 Speaker 24: our town's physician recruitment working group

00:45:36 Speaker 24: has been successful in luring a

00:45:37 Speaker 24: doctor, getting a doctor. Doctor Sonia

00:45:38 Speaker 24: Bali will be starting in the

00:45:40 Speaker 24: town of the Blue Mountains. I

00:45:45 Speaker 24: believe there's a reception for her

00:45:46 Speaker 25: tomorrow. She's going to be working

00:45:50 Speaker 25: at the Blue Mountains Community Health

00:45:54 Speaker 25: Centre on King Street in Thornbury.

00:45:56 Speaker 25: She's worked across the province and

00:45:59 Speaker 25: across the country, and she'll support

00:46:02 Speaker 25: patients not only in the town

00:46:04 Speaker 25: of Blue Mountains at our long-term

00:46:08 Speaker 25: care facilities in Thornbury and Meaford,

00:46:10 Speaker 25: and throughout the Meaford Hospital. So

00:46:13 Speaker 25: it's good news all around for

00:46:14 Speaker 25: for our area and into Meaford

00:46:16 Speaker 25: and all those served by the

00:46:20 Speaker 25: Meaford. and all those serviced by

00:46:23 Speaker 25: the Meaford Hospital. So I just

00:46:27 Speaker 22: wanted to share that piece of

00:46:28 Speaker 22: information with everybody. Thank you. Thank

00:46:32 Speaker 22: you. And next we'll get to

00:46:34 Speaker 22: Councillor Debray. Thank you. Good morning,

00:46:35 Speaker 22: Warden and County Council and visitors.

00:46:37 Speaker 22: I just wanted to let everyone

00:46:40 Speaker 22: know that Southgate is going to

00:46:43 Speaker 22: be enjoying a Diwali event tomorrow

00:46:46 Speaker 22: evening at the Dundalk Legion. It's

00:46:49 Speaker 22: a celebration of light. unity, and

00:46:51 Speaker 22: community spirit. It is a free

00:46:53 Speaker 22: event, but registration is required. It

00:46:55 Speaker 22: is being held at the Legion,

00:46:57 Speaker 22: as I said, in Dundalk, from

00:46:58 Speaker 22: six thirty to eight thirty. Thank

00:47:00 Speaker 22: you very much. Other news and

00:47:02 Speaker 22: celebrations. Back a word to Councillor

00:47:05 Speaker 22: McKay. Thank you. Just to bring

00:47:08 Speaker 22: you up to date, Councillor Warden,

00:47:09 Speaker 22: if you have any complaints you'd

00:47:11 Speaker 22: like to. Complaints she would like

00:47:12 Speaker 22: to bring forward to me. You

00:47:14 Speaker 22: can text them to me or

00:47:17 Speaker 26: email them to me, and I'll

00:47:22 Speaker 26: be going. I'm director on the

00:47:24 Speaker 26: Good Roads, and this morning I

00:47:27 Speaker 26: heard that we're invited to sit

00:47:30 Speaker 26: with the Minister of Transportation and

00:47:32 Speaker 26: have lunch with them. So I'm

00:47:34 Speaker 26: hoping I can sit right next

00:47:35 Speaker 26: to them and maybe keep them

00:47:38 Speaker 26: for meeting and ask a whole

00:47:40 Speaker 26: bunch of questions. More around Six

00:47:42 Speaker 26: and Ten Highway and a couple

00:47:44 Speaker 05: other ones. Way and a couple

00:47:57 Speaker 01: other ones, entrance permits. But if

00:47:59 Speaker 01: you have any concerns, I don't

00:48:01 Speaker 01: want to keep them too long.

00:48:04 Speaker 01: But I know we have a

00:48:05 Speaker 01: lot of concerns out there from

00:48:06 Speaker 01: the county. But anyway, if you

00:48:09 Speaker 01: got anything you want to ask,

00:48:11 Speaker 01: I'll ask. One. Excellent. Thank you

00:48:13 Speaker 01: very much. Any other news and

00:48:14 Speaker 01: celebrations to share? Okay. Not seen

00:48:16 Speaker 01: any further hands up. Okay. All

00:48:17 Speaker 01: right then. that allows us then

00:48:18 Speaker 01: to look for adjournment. So may

00:48:21 Speaker 01: ask for a mover and a

00:48:22 Speaker 01: seconder. Move by the deputy warden,

00:48:23 Speaker 01: seconded by Councillor Nielsen. All those

00:48:24 Speaker 01: in favour? And that motion is

00:48:25 Speaker 01: carried. We'll give a moment to

00:48:32 Speaker 01: switch over. Thank you. I'd like

00:48:35 Speaker 01: to call to order this committee.

00:48:36 Speaker 01: The whole. meeting of October 9th,

00:48:38 Speaker 01: 2025. At this point in time,

00:48:39 Speaker 01: I'll put out a call if

00:48:41 Speaker 01: there are any declarations of interest

00:48:42 Speaker 01: on this agenda. Seeing no hands

00:48:43 Speaker 27: raised, we'll move on. We have

00:48:47 Speaker 27: business arising from the minutes. We

00:48:50 Speaker 27: have one notice of motion from

00:48:52 Speaker 27: Councillor Gregg. So in a moment,

00:48:54 Speaker 27: Councillor Gregg, I will ask you

00:48:56 Speaker 27: to read out your notice of

00:48:58 Speaker 27: motion without any explanation or intro.

00:49:01 Speaker 27: I'll look for a seconder for

00:49:03 Speaker 27: you, and if we have a

00:49:07 Speaker 27: seconder and it's on the floor

00:49:09 Speaker 27: for discussion, I will return to

00:49:12 Speaker 27: you directly. So, would you like

00:49:13 Speaker 27: to? Could you read? Sorry, the

00:49:16 Speaker 27: way we usually do it back

00:49:19 Speaker 27: home is the person who's serving

00:49:21 Speaker 27: the notice of motion reads it

00:49:24 Speaker 27: out, and then we look for

00:49:27 Speaker 27: a seconder before there's any discussion.

00:49:29 Speaker 27: So, over to you. The mic

00:49:32 Speaker 27: is yours. Thank you, Gordon Matyszak,

00:49:35 Speaker 27: and I'd like to introduce the

00:49:37 Speaker 27: notice of motion. Whereas Part Two

00:49:39 Speaker 27: of the Municipal Act generally confers

00:49:43 Speaker 08: broad authority on the municipality to

00:49:47 Speaker 08: enable the municipality. to govern its

00:49:50 Speaker 08: affairs as it considers appropriate, and

00:49:52 Speaker 08: to enhance the municipality's ability to

00:49:54 Speaker 08: respond to municipal issues, and whereas

00:49:56 Speaker 08: community safety is of foremost concern

00:49:57 Speaker 08: to residents, and whereas automated speed

00:49:59 Speaker 08: traffic cameras assist in responding to

00:50:01 Speaker 08: resident concerns, now therefore be it

00:50:03 Speaker 08: resolved that this council asks MPP

00:50:08 Speaker 28: Vickers and MPP Saunderson to support

00:50:10 Speaker 28: this position in opposing any provincial

00:50:12 Speaker 28: legislation introduced to. prohibit the use

00:50:14 Speaker 28: of automated speed enforcement, and that

00:50:18 Speaker 28: this resolution be circulated to each

00:50:21 Speaker 28: municipality within Grey County, requesting their

00:50:24 Speaker 28: endorsement, and that the resolution be

00:50:25 Speaker 28: sent to Premier Ford, Minister of

00:50:27 Speaker 28: Transportation Pravmeet Sakharia, MPP Vickers, and

00:50:32 Speaker 28: MPP Saunderson. Thank you very much.

00:50:34 Speaker 28: And I okay. Well, sorry. Directionally,

00:50:37 Speaker 28: I saw Councillor Dobrine will second

00:50:38 Speaker 28: that motion, but I. In that

00:50:40 Speaker 28: motion, but I did acknowledge the

00:50:41 Speaker 28: other hands that have been raised.

00:50:44 Speaker 28: It's now on the floor for

00:50:46 Speaker 28: discussion. So I will look to

00:50:48 Speaker 28: Councillor Greg to introduce your notice.

00:50:50 Speaker 28: Any further details you'd like to

00:50:53 Speaker 28: provide? Thank you. And I'd like

00:50:57 Speaker 28: to just provide this notice also

00:50:59 Speaker 28: as a tribute to a member

00:51:01 Speaker 28: of our community in Owen Sound

00:51:05 Speaker 28: who campaigned for years, canvassing for

00:51:08 Speaker 28: candidates who were strong supporters of

00:51:10 Speaker 28: looking after. the taxpayer—that's something that

00:51:13 Speaker 28: Bill King, who was a member

00:51:15 Speaker 28: for many years on our operations

00:51:17 Speaker 28: committee in Oceansound, advocated for and

00:51:19 Speaker 28: supported initiatives that looked after the

00:51:22 Speaker 28: taxpayer. And we lost Bill probably

00:51:24 Speaker 28: a little more than a year

00:51:26 Speaker 28: ago. But this is somewhat of

00:51:28 Speaker 28: a tribute to to Bill because

00:51:30 Speaker 28: he was a strong advocate for

00:51:32 Speaker 28: community safety, and automated speed enforcement

00:51:33 Speaker 28: and cameras were part of that

00:51:37 Speaker 28: in Bill's in Bill's mind. So

00:51:39 Speaker 28: I am. quite bothered by what

00:51:43 Speaker 28: the premier is has initiated here.

00:51:45 Speaker 28: It is demonstrated when he announced

00:51:47 Speaker 28: this legislation. He had the mayor

00:51:48 Speaker 28: of Vaughan standing beside him. Vaughan

00:51:49 Speaker 28: removed traffic cameras in their communities,

00:51:52 Speaker 28: and that is fine. That's democracy

00:51:54 Speaker 28: as it should be, and I

00:51:56 Speaker 28: applaud him for that. But I

00:51:57 Speaker 28: think what is most important is

00:52:02 Speaker 28: that the municipalities have the opportunity.

00:52:08 Speaker 28: to decide whether or not those

00:52:11 Speaker 28: traffic cameras are something that are

00:52:15 Speaker 28: a benefit in their community that

00:52:17 Speaker 28: respond to residents' concerns. And if

00:52:19 Speaker 28: you do not feel that way

00:52:22 Speaker 28: and you have them in already

00:52:24 Speaker 28: installed, you can walk back that

00:52:26 Speaker 28: decision municipally. It's a municipal decision.

00:52:28 Speaker 28: And he aligned himself the day

00:52:31 Speaker 28: he announced the legislation with other

00:52:32 Speaker 28: mayors who demonstrated that it is

00:52:35 Speaker 28: a municipal decision, and it's a

00:52:36 Speaker 28: municipal decision as provided. It's a

00:52:39 Speaker 28: municipal decision. It's provided in the

00:52:42 Speaker 28: Municipal Act. If you want to

00:52:44 Speaker 28: take away the ability for municipalities

00:52:47 Speaker 28: to look after resident concerns, change

00:52:49 Speaker 28: the Municipal Act. I challenge you

00:52:54 Speaker 28: to do that because that invites

00:52:56 Speaker 28: a whole lot more public input

00:52:58 Speaker 28: and a lot more time. It's

00:53:01 Speaker 28: announced that the assault on the

00:53:03 Speaker 28: taxpayer is over, and I ask

00:53:04 Speaker 28: myself, really, who do you think

00:53:07 Speaker 28: funds the provincial government and all

00:53:08 Speaker 28: the infrastructure that you're now asking

00:53:11 Speaker 28: to be created out of a

00:53:13 Speaker 28: new fund? What I'd like to

00:53:15 Speaker 28: do is invite the premier to

00:53:17 Speaker 28: come to Owen Sound to visit

00:53:19 Speaker 28: with me and one of our

00:53:20 Speaker 28: fine men and women who drive

00:53:23 Speaker 28: a snowplow and a fire truck,

00:53:26 Speaker 28: and we will crush a box

00:53:28 Speaker 28: of Chapman's ice cream bars as

00:53:30 Speaker 28: we walk around the city, and

00:53:34 Speaker 28: we will inform the premier. and

00:53:36 Speaker 28: the premier's staff of what kind

00:53:38 Speaker 28: of obstacles that speed bumps and

00:53:41 Speaker 28: enhanced crosswalks provide in terms of

00:53:44 Speaker 28: the machinery and the mechanics in

00:53:46 Speaker 28: a snowy area that we have

00:53:48 Speaker 28: to look after for for five,

00:53:53 Speaker 28: hopefully not six months of the

00:53:56 Speaker 28: year. But it's hard on equipment.

00:53:59 Speaker 28: It's hard on money. It's hard

00:54:02 Speaker 28: on the taxpayer. It's hard on

00:54:04 Speaker 28: people who we're not breaking the

00:54:05 Speaker 28: law if you don't speed. that's

00:54:08 Speaker 28: it's a fundamental easy question. If

00:54:11 Speaker 28: you don't want to get fined,

00:54:13 Speaker 28: don't speed past a school or

00:54:16 Speaker 28: through a community safety zone. Hopefully,

00:54:18 Speaker 28: you learn your lesson. And then

00:54:21 Speaker 28: it's not resultant upon the taxpayers

00:54:23 Speaker 28: who may not have a car,

00:54:27 Speaker 28: who may choose to walk as

00:54:29 Speaker 28: their means of transportation or use

00:54:30 Speaker 28: public transit. These are the people

00:54:33 Speaker 28: now that are being asked to

00:54:36 Speaker 28: pay more taxes for a new

00:54:40 Speaker 28: fund. provincially to resolve to respond

00:54:43 Speaker 28: to speeding that may or may

00:54:46 Speaker 28: not make a difference in moving

00:54:48 Speaker 28: the needle. It reminds me of

00:54:49 Speaker 28: to steal a quote from Abraham

00:54:51 Speaker 28: Lincoln. Let's have a government for

00:54:53 Speaker 28: the people, by the people, and

00:54:55 Speaker 08: that's why I would hope the

00:55:00 Speaker 08: premier would entertain a free vote

00:55:02 Speaker 08: at Queen's Park, so that each

00:55:03 Speaker 08: legislator can represent their people and

00:55:05 Speaker 08: not have a whip vote. Where

00:55:08 Speaker 29: we've lost that ability now to

00:55:12 Speaker 29: have meaningful dialogueue at Queen's Park.

00:55:15 Speaker 29: Let's have democracy. Let's have a

00:55:17 Speaker 29: free vote. Let's have legislators who've

00:55:20 Speaker 29: been elected represent their communities. We

00:55:22 Speaker 29: are here as mayors and deputy

00:55:24 Speaker 29: mayors representing what we think is

00:55:26 Speaker 29: best in our communities. I'm asking

00:55:28 Speaker 29: this council to ensure that we

00:55:31 Speaker 29: have the opportunity. to address those

00:55:35 Speaker 29: items in our community without those

00:55:36 Speaker 29: abilities being taken away from us

00:55:38 Speaker 29: and positioned in the sole hands

00:55:42 Speaker 29: of one person and the prime

00:55:45 Speaker 29: minister's office or the premier's office,

00:55:47 Speaker 29: which has become far too prevalent,

00:55:50 Speaker 29: it seems, in the last several

00:55:54 Speaker 29: years. Thank you. Okay. Thank you

00:55:55 Speaker 29: very much for that introduction. So

00:55:57 Speaker 29: it is now on the floor

00:55:58 Speaker 29: for discussion. From further comments from

00:56:01 Speaker 29: other council members. We'll go to

00:56:04 Speaker 29: Councillor Nielsen. Thank you very much,

00:56:07 Speaker 29: Ward Matrosov. The biggest concern with

00:56:08 Speaker 29: the way the province is addressing

00:56:14 Speaker 29: this is trying to attack it

00:56:17 Speaker 29: as if it is a municipality

00:56:18 Speaker 29: trying to do a cash grab,

00:56:20 Speaker 29: and this is the terminology that

00:56:23 Speaker 29: the premier is using, and it

00:56:25 Speaker 29: is frustrating to what Councillor Greg

00:56:27 Speaker 29: just spoke to, when the objective

00:56:29 Speaker 29: is to try. to change the

00:56:31 Speaker 29: culture of speeding within Ontario. Currently,

00:56:33 Speaker 29: wherever you go, the general culture

00:56:39 Speaker 29: is twenty kilometres over a speed

00:56:41 Speaker 29: limit. We design roads, and then

00:56:43 Speaker 29: we have repeated calls on probably

00:56:45 Speaker 29: weekly basis. For everybody here, gets

00:56:47 Speaker 29: a call from some resident talking

00:56:49 Speaker 29: about the speeding across and in

00:56:51 Speaker 29: front of their property and in

00:56:56 Speaker 29: front of their area. Trying to

00:56:57 Speaker 29: implement a culture change takes many

00:57:00 Speaker 29: different measures. Takes many different methods.

00:57:02 Speaker 29: The premier responded to a letter

00:57:03 Speaker 29: that was sent to him by

00:57:05 Speaker 29: many different mayors and and local

00:57:06 Speaker 29: municipal politicians from across Ontario by

00:57:07 Speaker 30: saying, "If the objective of the

00:57:13 Speaker 30: speed camera is to prevent speeding,

00:57:15 Speaker 30: then it's failing miserably." Well, according

00:57:17 Speaker 31: to that standard, then your stop

00:57:22 Speaker 31: signs are failing, your signage for

00:57:24 Speaker 31: the speed limit is failing, your

00:57:29 Speaker 25: signage for for crosswalks is failing

00:57:33 Speaker 25: because everywhere. there is a culture

00:57:36 Speaker 25: of impatience, of driver lack of

00:57:40 Speaker 25: driver empathy in terms of who's

00:57:42 Speaker 25: around them, it is a method

00:57:45 Speaker 25: to try to address that. In

00:57:47 Speaker 25: addition to all the other things

00:57:51 Speaker 25: we're trying to change, I think

00:57:54 Speaker 25: that there is a frustration with

00:57:58 Speaker 25: Premier Ford overstepping into what the

00:58:01 Speaker 25: motion is speaking to our jurisdiction

00:58:05 Speaker 25: of trying to make controls, but

00:58:06 Speaker 32: fundamentally. for me, this is a

00:58:11 Speaker 32: safety thing that residents bring up

00:58:14 Speaker 32: time and time again. We're trying

00:58:15 Speaker 32: to change the culture, and the

00:58:18 Speaker 32: premier is preventing us from doing.

00:58:19 Speaker 32: Thank you, and we'll go to

00:58:21 Speaker 33: Councillor Dobrin. Thank you, and as

00:58:23 Speaker 33: the secondor, thank you for recognizing

00:58:27 Speaker 33: me. I have to echo both

00:58:28 Speaker 33: speakers, both of my colleagues, but

00:58:32 Speaker 33: also, not all municipalities have. are

00:58:33 Speaker 33: are are sorry. Let me rephrase

00:58:35 Speaker 07: this. Most municipalities with automated speed

00:58:37 Speaker 07: enforcement are following the guidelines and

00:58:40 Speaker 07: the revenue that they are getting,

00:58:41 Speaker 07: which isn't the full amount because

00:58:43 Speaker 07: the province gets a significant portion

00:58:44 Speaker 07: of that, are reinvesting the revenue

00:58:47 Speaker 07: specifically for improved safety in those

00:58:49 Speaker 07: community safety zones. So. that the

00:58:51 Speaker 07: taxpayer isn't on the hook for

00:58:56 Speaker 07: those improvements. That's my comment, and

00:59:01 Speaker 07: I was pleased to support this

00:59:03 Speaker 07: motion. Thank you. Other comments? We'll

00:59:04 Speaker 07: go to Councillor McQueen. Thank you,

00:59:05 Speaker 07: Madam Warden. I may be a

00:59:09 Speaker 07: devil devil's advocate here, but just

00:59:11 Speaker 07: I see two parts in this

00:59:13 Speaker 07: notice of motion. One is the

00:59:14 Speaker 07: the ability for municipalities to make

00:59:18 Speaker 07: decisions. Well, back in 1980. 1990.