Grey County County Council Meeting Transcript — October 23, 2025

00:03:19 Speaker 01: Okay. Good morning, County Council. I'd

00:07:22 Speaker 01: like to call to order this

00:07:24 Speaker 01: County Council agenda of October twenty

00:07:27 Speaker 01: third, twenty twenty five. At this

00:07:29 Speaker 02: point in time, as you are

00:07:30 Speaker 02: able, please join us in the

00:07:31 Speaker 02: singing and standing for "O Canada."

00:07:41 Speaker 02: our home and native land, true

00:07:47 Speaker 02: patriot love in all of us

00:07:54 Speaker 03: command. With glowing hearts, we see

00:07:59 Speaker 03: thee rise, the true North, strong

00:08:03 Speaker 03: and free. from far and wide,

00:08:08 Speaker 03: O Canada, we stand on guard

00:08:12 Speaker 04: for thee. God keep our land,

00:08:18 Speaker 04: glorious and free. O Canada, we

00:08:28 Speaker 04: stand on guard for thee. O.

00:08:34 Speaker 04: We, oh Canada, we stand on

00:08:38 Speaker 04: guard for thee. Thank you, Madam

00:08:51 Speaker 04: Clerk. Would you please conduct our

00:08:53 Speaker 04: roll call? Councillor Mackie. Councillor McKay.

00:09:00 Speaker 04: Councillor Carleton. Councillor Pringle.

00:09:03 Speaker 04: Councillor McQueen, Councillor Nielsen, Councillor

00:09:06 Speaker 05: Patterson, Councillor Dickert, Councillor Kentner,

00:09:11 Speaker 05: Councillor Kieveny, Councillor Body, Councillor,

00:09:15 Speaker 05: Councillor Gregg, Councillor Milne, Councillor

00:09:19 Speaker 05: Dobrine, Warden Matrasovs, Councillor Bourignon,

00:09:24 Speaker 05: Councillor Eccles, Councillor Hutchinson. We've

00:09:28 Speaker 05: all members in attendance today. Thank

00:09:30 Speaker 05: you. Absolutely wonderful. Let us begin

00:09:35 Speaker 05: by acknowledging with respect that we

00:09:37 Speaker 06: are gathered on the traditional territory

00:09:39 Speaker 06: of the Anishinaabek Nation, the people

00:09:41 Speaker 06: known as the Three Fires: the

00:09:43 Speaker 06: Ojibwe, Odawa, and Potawatomi Nations. We

00:09:46 Speaker 06: give thanks to the Chippewas of

00:09:48 Speaker 06: Sogeeen and the Chippewas of Nawash,

00:09:50 Speaker 06: collectively known as the Sogeeen Ojibwe

00:09:52 Speaker 06: Nation, the traditional keepers of these

00:09:55 Speaker 06: these lands and waters since time

00:09:59 Speaker 06: immemorial. In our south. lies the

00:10:01 Speaker 06: traditional territories of the Six Nations

00:10:03 Speaker 06: of the Grand River and the

00:10:06 Speaker 06: Haudenosaunee. We are dedicated to honouring

00:10:08 Speaker 06: Indigenous history and culture, and committed

00:10:11 Speaker 06: to moving forward in the spirit

00:10:13 Speaker 06: of truth, reconciliation, and friendship with

00:10:16 Speaker 06: all First Nations, Métis, and Inuit

00:10:22 Speaker 06: peoples. At this point in time,

00:10:23 Speaker 06: I'd like to put a call

00:10:24 Speaker 06: out for any declarations of interest

00:10:26 Speaker 06: for this council agenda. Seeing no

00:10:30 Speaker 06: hands raised, we'll move on to

00:10:31 Speaker 06: the adoption of the minutes. Item

00:10:33 Speaker 06: six a. It's recommended that the

00:10:34 Speaker 06: minutes of County Council meeting and

00:10:36 Speaker 06: committee of the whole meeting, dated

00:10:37 Speaker 06: October ninth, twenty twenty five, and

00:10:40 Speaker 06: the resolutions contained therein, be adopted

00:10:43 Speaker 06: as presented. May I ask for

00:10:43 Speaker 06: a mover and a seconder? Moved

00:10:45 Speaker 06: by Councillor Nielsen, seconded by Councillor

00:10:47 Speaker 06: McKay. Any discussion? All those in

00:10:51 Speaker 06: favour? That motion is carried. Next,

00:10:54 Speaker 06: we have its item six b.

00:10:56 Speaker 06: It's recommended that the closed session.

00:10:58 Speaker 06: minutes of the committee, the whole

00:10:59 Speaker 06: meeting minutes dated October ninth, twenty

00:11:03 Speaker 06: twenty twenty twenty five, and the

00:11:05 Speaker 06: closed session budget and finance committee

00:11:07 Speaker 06: minutes dated September twenty fourth, twenty

00:11:09 Speaker 06: twenty five, be adopted as provided.

00:11:11 Speaker 06: May I ask for a mover?

00:11:13 Speaker 06: Moved by Councillor Dobrin, seconded by

00:11:16 Speaker 06: Councillor Kieveny. Any discussion? All those

00:11:18 Speaker 06: in favour? That motion is carried.

00:11:20 Speaker 06: We do not have any closed

00:11:23 Speaker 06: matters on this agenda for council

00:11:25 Speaker 06: this morning, nor reports that allows.

00:11:26 Speaker 06: us to move to the bylaws.

00:11:28 Speaker 06: It's recommended that bylaw fifty two

00:11:30 Speaker 06: fifty four twenty five be introduced

00:11:32 Speaker 06: and taken as read a first,

00:11:34 Speaker 06: second, and third time, finally passed,

00:11:36 Speaker 06: signed by the warden and the

00:11:38 Speaker 06: clerk, sealed with the seal of

00:11:40 Speaker 06: the corporation, and engrossed into the

00:11:41 Speaker 06: bylaw book. This is a bylaw

00:11:43 Speaker 06: to confirm all the actions and

00:11:46 Speaker 06: proceedings of council. Moved by Councillor

00:11:48 Speaker 06: Dicker and seconded by Councillor Patterson.

00:11:51 Speaker 06: Any discussion? All those in favour?

00:11:55 Speaker 06: And that motion is carried. News

00:11:57 Speaker 06: and celebrations. We will start off

00:12:01 Speaker 06: with local government week. We have

00:12:03 Speaker 06: been seeing lots of lots of

00:12:04 Speaker 06: sharing on our social media with

00:12:06 Speaker 06: Gray County. I thank them very

00:12:09 Speaker 06: much for highlighting different different aspects

00:12:10 Speaker 06: of local government all week long.

00:12:11 Speaker 06: I think that's been a great

00:12:15 Speaker 06: public public relations exercise to be

00:12:17 Speaker 06: able to show people what happens

00:12:18 Speaker 06: beneath the layers of what we

00:12:20 Speaker 06: know as local government. So this

00:12:23 Speaker 06: week does mark local local. government

00:12:25 Speaker 06: week all across Ontario as the

00:12:27 Speaker 06: level as the level of government

00:12:29 Speaker 06: that's closest to the people. Municipalities

00:12:31 Speaker 06: are tasked with providing many services

00:12:33 Speaker 06: and programmemes that we all use

00:12:35 Speaker 06: on a daily basis. They are

00:12:37 Speaker 06: a critical element to our government

00:12:39 Speaker 06: system. So thank you to all

00:12:40 Speaker 06: of you who are here as

00:12:42 Speaker 06: elected officials. Thank you to all

00:12:44 Speaker 06: of our staff, and thank you

00:12:46 Speaker 06: to the many volunteers that help

00:12:48 Speaker 06: keep our local government moving, who

00:12:50 Speaker 06: work every day for the betterment

00:12:55 Speaker 06: of our communities. and we

00:13:00 Speaker 06: also have another recognition. October

00:13:03 Speaker 06: is National Disability Employment Awareness Month.

00:13:06 Speaker 06: Every October, Canadians come together to

00:13:08 Speaker 06: celebrate the contributions of people

00:13:12 Speaker 06: with disabilities in strengthening workplaces through

00:13:14 Speaker 06: inclusion. This month also raises awareness

00:13:16 Speaker 06: of the barriers people with disabilities

00:13:18 Speaker 06: continue to face and encourages us

00:13:20 Speaker 06: to take action. to build a

00:13:24 Speaker 06: truly inclusive economy. More than one

00:13:26 Speaker 06: in four Canadians has a disability,

00:13:29 Speaker 06: and 74% of those workers experience

00:13:33 Speaker 06: barriers at work. 67% face barriers

00:13:36 Speaker 06: even before they are hired. The

00:13:38 Speaker 06: cost of exclusion is high. Closing

00:13:41 Speaker 06: the disability employment gap has the

00:13:45 Speaker 06: potential to greatly increase Canada's

00:13:47 Speaker 06: GDP. Further statistics show that inclusive

00:13:49 Speaker 06: companies experience higher income and revenue,

00:13:53 Speaker 06: and up to 25% higher

00:13:55 Speaker 06: productivity. More information on National Disability

00:13:58 Speaker 06: Employment Awareness Month can be found

00:14:03 Speaker 06: online by visiting the Odin Network

00:14:05 Speaker 06: website. Okay, and we have a

00:14:07 Speaker 06: couple of we have a staff

00:14:08 Speaker 06: announcement. I'm going to look to

00:14:13 Speaker 06: CAO Shirtzer for the next one.

00:14:14 Speaker 06: Great, thank you, Ward Matrasov, and

00:14:16 Speaker 06: good morning, County Council. I'm I'm

00:14:19 Speaker 07: pleased to share some positive news

00:14:21 Speaker 07: regarding the Ministry of Health paramedic

00:14:23 Speaker 07: service review, which took place last

00:14:24 Speaker 07: week. The service review is conducted

00:14:26 Speaker 07: by the Ministry of Health every

00:14:29 Speaker 07: three years to evaluate compliance

00:14:32 Speaker 07: with provincial standards. It includes on-site

00:14:35 Speaker 07: inspections, documentation reviews, and performance evaluation.

00:14:36 Speaker 07: A lot of work goes in

00:14:38 Speaker 07: behind the scenes in order to

00:14:41 Speaker 07: prepare for these service reviews for

00:14:44 Speaker 07: for our paramedics team. Eventually, we'll

00:14:46 Speaker 07: receive a full service report. which

00:14:47 Speaker 07: we'll bring back to council with

00:14:50 Speaker 07: the full results from that review.

00:14:52 Speaker 07: Review, but we're happy to report

00:14:54 Speaker 07: that our paramedics team received very

00:14:56 Speaker 07: positive feedback from the Ministry Health

00:14:58 Speaker 07: Service review team. The reviewers were

00:15:00 Speaker 07: impressed by the professionalism, the warmth,

00:15:03 Speaker 07: and preparedness of our staff. They

00:15:05 Speaker 07: especially highlighted how helpful and friendly

00:15:07 Speaker 07: our paramedics were with the field

00:15:09 Speaker 07: investigators, and how organised and prepared

00:15:11 Speaker 07: Kevin and his admin team were.

00:15:12 Speaker 07: So, I just want to both

00:15:14 Speaker 07: thank and congratulate Kevin and the.

00:15:16 Speaker 07: Paramedics team for all their work

00:15:18 Speaker 07: in preparing and organising for this

00:15:20 Speaker 07: review, and for receiving such positive

00:15:22 Speaker 07: initial feedback from the Ministry of

00:15:32 Speaker 07: Health review team. So, congrats to

00:15:33 Speaker 08: him! Excellent news to begin our

00:15:34 Speaker 08: morning. And with that, I'll put

00:15:36 Speaker 08: it out to County Council members

00:15:37 Speaker 02: for news to share. We'll start

00:15:40 Speaker 02: with the Deputy Warden. Thank you,

00:15:43 Speaker 02: Warden Matrissau, and. Ward and Matrosov,

00:15:46 Speaker 09: and this is a little after

00:15:48 Speaker 09: the fact, but on Tuesday of

00:15:51 Speaker 09: this week, I attended the screening,

00:15:54 Speaker 09: two screenings actually, of a film

00:15:56 Speaker 09: that was created by a gentleman

00:15:58 Speaker 09: by the name of Colin Field,

00:16:00 Speaker 09: and it deals with the farmerettes.

00:16:01 Speaker 09: I don't know if anybody here

00:16:05 Speaker 09: has ever heard of the farmerettes,

00:16:08 Speaker 09: but from 1941 to 1952, up

00:16:10 Speaker 09: to upwards of about 50 to

00:16:11 Speaker 10: 60,000 young girls. from the ages

00:16:16 Speaker 10: of I think it was 16

00:16:19 Speaker 10: to around 25, harvested primarily fruits

00:16:21 Speaker 10: and vegetables in Ontario, primarily in

00:16:23 Speaker 10: the Niagara area. But there were

00:16:25 Speaker 10: camps in various places around the

00:16:27 Speaker 10: the province, and it was a

00:16:30 Speaker 10: very heartwarming story. There was actually

00:16:33 Speaker 10: two farmettes in attendance at the

00:16:34 Speaker 10: one o'clock showing. The one lady

00:16:36 Speaker 10: is 99 years old, and the

00:16:38 Speaker 10: other lady is 96, and they

00:16:39 Speaker 10: were both very eager to tell

00:16:41 Speaker 10: their story. the film was called

00:16:43 Speaker 10: "We Lend a Hand," and it

00:16:44 Speaker 10: was about the farmerettes and that

00:16:47 Speaker 10: whole programme back in the 40s

00:16:50 Speaker 10: during the war. Service takes many

00:16:51 Speaker 10: forms, and as some of you

00:16:54 Speaker 10: might know, armies march on their

00:16:56 Speaker 10: stomach. So most of the young

00:16:58 Speaker 10: men were overseas fighting, but they

00:17:00 Speaker 10: can't do that unless they have

00:17:04 Speaker 10: food to eat. And farmerettes literally

00:17:06 Speaker 10: saved the harvest from those years,

00:17:08 Speaker 10: so the food could be processed

00:17:09 Speaker 10: and sent over. Food could be

00:17:11 Speaker 10: processed and sent overseas to feed

00:17:13 Speaker 10: our armies in the fight against

00:17:14 Speaker 10: the Nazis. So it was, as

00:17:17 Speaker 10: I say, it's a little after

00:17:20 Speaker 10: the fact, but I was part

00:17:22 Speaker 10: of the the programme, which I'm

00:17:23 Speaker 10: very thrilled to be be included

00:17:25 Speaker 10: in that. And I do want

00:17:26 Speaker 10: to point out that Gray Roots

00:17:27 Speaker 10: was a wonderful host. They did

00:17:29 Speaker 10: a wonderful job of looking after

00:17:31 Speaker 10: us, Doug Cleverly and the other

00:17:32 Speaker 10: staff down there. So thank you

00:17:34 Speaker 10: for that. And anyway, if you're

00:17:38 Speaker 10: looking for a really neat story,

00:17:40 Speaker 10: look up the Farmerettes. It's a

00:17:42 Speaker 02: it's a remarkable story. Well, with

00:17:45 Speaker 02: sharing, that's wonderful. Thank you. And

00:17:49 Speaker 02: look around the room for other.

00:17:50 Speaker 11: We'll go to Councillor Carleton. Good

00:17:52 Speaker 11: morning, County Council, and thank you,

00:17:54 Speaker 11: Warden. A couple of announcements. So,

00:17:56 Speaker 11: to start with, we finally have

00:17:58 Speaker 11: a Cao in place again. So,

00:17:59 Speaker 11: Ryan's been with us now for

00:18:01 Speaker 11: two weeks, and that left us

00:18:03 Speaker 11: a vacancy on our council seat.

00:18:06 Speaker 11: So, we filled that last Wednesday

00:18:09 Speaker 11: night, and starting November fifth. we

00:18:11 Speaker 11: will be welcoming EJ Macomb, and

00:18:15 Speaker 11: for that Friday night is our

00:18:16 Speaker 11: movie night at the Kilsyth Derby

00:18:18 Speaker 11: Arena, and the kids will start

00:18:20 Speaker 11: trick or treating at five thirty,

00:18:25 Speaker 11: and the movie starts at seven

00:18:27 Speaker 11: o'clock with Polka's Polkas. So we're

00:18:30 Speaker 02: looking forward to that. Excellent, and

00:18:31 Speaker 02: other news from our municipalities across

00:18:36 Speaker 02: the county. We'll go to Councillor

00:18:38 Speaker 02: Dobrine, and then we'll go to

00:18:42 Speaker 12: Councillor Eccles after that. And we'll

00:18:44 Speaker 12: go to Councillor Eccles after that.

00:18:46 Speaker 12: Thank you, and good morning, Warden

00:18:51 Speaker 12: County Council. I, I also wanted

00:18:53 Speaker 12: to share that the downtown Dundalk

00:18:55 Speaker 12: Trick or Treat will be held

00:18:58 Speaker 12: this Saturday, but in conjunction with

00:19:00 Speaker 12: a Halloween Trick or Treat at

00:19:02 Speaker 12: our Dundalk Fire Hall. So there,

00:19:04 Speaker 12: it's an afternoon affair, and the

00:19:05 Speaker 12: kiddos can get out there. They

00:19:08 Speaker 12: can learn about. fire safety. They

00:19:13 Speaker 12: can visit the fire hall, and

00:19:20 Speaker 12: they can go downtown to our

00:19:23 Speaker 12: local businesses that are all contributing

00:19:25 Speaker 12: to this this great afternoon event.

00:19:30 Speaker 13: Thank you, Councillor Eccles. There we

00:19:32 Speaker 13: go. Thank you very much. Yes,

00:19:35 Speaker 13: Halloween in West Grey. Same thing

00:19:37 Speaker 13: on Saturday afternoon in Durham. Oh.

00:19:40 Speaker 13: Hosted by the Durham BIA, it's

00:19:43 Speaker 13: a collabourative partnership, as most things

00:19:46 Speaker 13: are in West Grey. We're great

00:19:49 Speaker 13: partners with everybody, the Ag Society

00:19:50 Speaker 13: BIA, and the West Grey Durham

00:19:55 Speaker 13: Lions. We'll be in Durham Saturday

00:19:58 Speaker 13: morning for the Halloween on Up

00:20:00 Speaker 13: and Down with the Businesses in

00:20:03 Speaker 13: Durham, and November the first in

00:20:05 Speaker 13: Newstead, we have the Craft Show.

00:20:06 Speaker 13: probably one of the largest craft

00:20:10 Speaker 13: shows in Southern Gray County and

00:20:12 Speaker 13: maybe in Grand Traverse County, at

00:20:16 Speaker 13: the Newstead Arena on November the

00:20:18 Speaker 13: first. And then, as the deputy

00:20:21 Speaker 13: warden was saying, the warriors of

00:20:25 Speaker 13: of the area don't go very

00:20:28 Speaker 13: far unless they're fed. So on

00:20:31 Speaker 13: the Sunday afternoon, the Newstead Lions

00:20:34 Speaker 13: for their tremendous cultural delight, the

00:20:36 Speaker 13: pork and root dinner. The pork

00:20:40 Speaker 13: and croak dinner is on, and

00:20:42 Speaker 13: if you haven't been to it,

00:20:46 Speaker 13: you should get there. It is

00:20:51 Speaker 13: very wonderful. And to Mister Millen,

00:20:53 Speaker 13: my mother was one of those

00:20:54 Speaker 02: farmettes that spent many a summer

00:20:57 Speaker 02: in Niagara harvesting those crops. So

00:20:58 Speaker 02: good to hear. Thank you. Wonderful.

00:21:02 Speaker 02: And other, we'll go to Councillor

00:21:04 Speaker 14: McQueen, and then after that, we'll

00:21:08 Speaker 14: go to. Queen, and then after

00:21:10 Speaker 14: that we'll go to Councillor McKay.

00:21:15 Speaker 14: Well, good morning, everyone, and good

00:21:20 Speaker 15: morning, Warden. Last Friday night, the

00:21:22 Speaker 15: Southgate Chamber of Commerce held their

00:21:24 Speaker 15: business or rewards awards, with regards

00:21:26 Speaker 15: at the Homestead Resort, which is

00:21:29 Speaker 15: in the lovely municipality of Southgate.

00:21:32 Speaker 15: Right. The mayors and deputy mayors

00:21:34 Speaker 15: were attendance from the four municipalities

00:21:34 Speaker 15: from that area. good to see

00:21:36 Speaker 15: you, Scott. Nice to see you

00:21:39 Speaker 15: today. There was a number of

00:21:40 Speaker 15: awards were were had, and it

00:21:43 Speaker 15: was congratulations to all the winners.

00:21:45 Speaker 15: I think it was a really

00:21:46 Speaker 15: good time. It was really good

00:21:48 Speaker 15: to reflect back on the volunteers

00:21:50 Speaker 15: and all that of our of

00:21:51 Speaker 15: our communities as well. Also to

00:21:53 Speaker 15: note, carry on. As we know,

00:21:54 Speaker 15: the Blue Jays are going into

00:21:56 Speaker 15: the World Series. I don't think

00:21:58 Speaker 15: you want to be anywhere near

00:22:00 Speaker 15: Toronto trying to get a parking

00:22:01 Speaker 15: spot. Probably. tomorrow night or Saturday,

00:22:04 Speaker 15: but they did move the Maple

00:22:05 Speaker 15: Leafs up to five o'clock, so

00:22:07 Speaker 15: they weren't going to be interference

00:22:09 Speaker 15: with regards to their games. And

00:22:11 Speaker 15: I think tomorrow night the Raptors

00:22:13 Speaker 15: are playing as well as the

00:22:15 Speaker 15: Blue Jays. But just of note,

00:22:17 Speaker 15: as we know that the last

00:22:20 Speaker 15: World Series champs, which was the

00:22:22 Speaker 15: Blue Jays back in 32 years

00:22:23 Speaker 15: ago in 1893, I actually have

00:22:24 Speaker 15: baseball with a number of signatures

00:22:26 Speaker 15: from 1993. If you wish to

00:22:27 Speaker 15: take a look, I my wife

00:22:29 Speaker 15: and I. My wife and I—time

00:22:30 Speaker 15: she wasn't my wife—but at the

00:22:31 Speaker 15: time we were in Florida the

00:22:34 Speaker 15: following year, and we went to

00:22:37 Speaker 15: Dunedin and had a ball, and

00:22:38 Speaker 15: and had a lot of the

00:22:39 Speaker 15: players sign the ball, so it

00:22:41 Speaker 15: was sort of a cool thing

00:22:43 Speaker 15: at that time. But because they

00:22:44 Speaker 15: were looking at possibly being contenders

00:22:46 Speaker 15: for the '94, but if you

00:22:48 Speaker 15: remember back, there was some kind

00:22:51 Speaker 15: of a strike, and that year

00:22:52 Speaker 15: was cancelled, and the and the

00:22:59 Speaker 15: Expos were doing very well that

00:23:00 Speaker 16: year as well, and then the

00:23:01 Speaker 02: Expos left. But it's going back

00:23:03 Speaker 02: a few years. But anyway, like.

00:23:07 Speaker 02: we should take a look. I

00:23:11 Speaker 02: may trade it for a ticket.

00:23:13 Speaker 17: Thanks, Mister Warden, Madam Warden. Okay,

00:23:16 Speaker 17: thank you very much. He even

00:23:18 Speaker 17: brought the prop this morning. Wonderful,

00:23:19 Speaker 17: and we'll go over to Councillor

00:23:24 Speaker 17: McKay. Yes, thank you. Through you,

00:23:26 Speaker 17: Warden. Talking about Halloween, Halloween in

00:23:29 Speaker 17: the village in Chatsworth will be

00:23:30 Speaker 17: on Sunday, one to three. There's

00:23:32 Speaker 17: be treats and games. for the

00:23:34 Speaker 17: kids. It's put on by the

00:23:36 Speaker 17: Ag Society. Also, the Ag Society,

00:23:38 Speaker 17: one of their volunteers won Volunteer

00:23:41 Speaker 17: of the Year award. Sherry Brick,

00:23:45 Speaker 17: she does a lot of work

00:23:48 Speaker 17: no matter what, whether it's fall

00:23:53 Speaker 17: fair, the fish fry, or whatever.

00:23:54 Speaker 17: And also, if you want to

00:23:56 Speaker 17: take a drive down Main Street

00:24:00 Speaker 17: at Chatsworth, you'll notice some new

00:24:03 Speaker 17: banners put on. The Legion put

00:24:05 Speaker 17: out a call. Any families that

00:24:06 Speaker 17: had veterans or people serving nowadays

00:24:08 Speaker 17: could get their banner put up

00:24:10 Speaker 17: in Main Street. So we had

00:24:12 Speaker 17: 20 put up, and we've already

00:24:14 Speaker 17: had calls from people. Why wasn't

00:24:16 Speaker 17: I told? Well, it was kind

00:24:18 Speaker 17: of a Legion thing. It was

00:24:19 Speaker 17: within the Legion, but now it's

00:24:21 Speaker 17: getting out to the community, and

00:24:24 Speaker 17: there's a lot of veterans' families

00:24:25 Speaker 17: still out in the township of

00:24:27 Speaker 17: Chatsworth that want to. get some

00:24:29 Speaker 17: banners up, so we're going to

00:24:32 Speaker 17: run out of hydro poles, I

00:24:33 Speaker 17: think, before we get all the

00:24:37 Speaker 17: banners up. Anyway, we look forward

00:24:39 Speaker 17: to anybody going down, have a

00:24:40 Speaker 17: look, take a walk down Main

00:24:42 Speaker 02: Street, and read all the names

00:24:43 Speaker 02: of the veterans and the people

00:24:45 Speaker 02: that are serving nowadays. So, thank

00:24:48 Speaker 02: you very much. Thank you, indeed.

00:24:49 Speaker 02: I I actually have driven through

00:24:53 Speaker 02: Chatsworth a couple of times in

00:24:56 Speaker 02: the last couple of days, and

00:24:57 Speaker 02: the the banners look fantastic, and

00:24:59 Speaker 02: as a Legion member, I'm really

00:25:00 Speaker 02: excited to see this tradition spreading

00:25:02 Speaker 02: across communities. And with that, we'll

00:25:03 Speaker 02: go over to Councillor Kibany. Thank

00:25:05 Speaker 18: you, Warden Matrosovs, and Good morning,

00:25:07 Speaker 18: County Council. Just a couple of

00:25:08 Speaker 18: things I wanted to share: that

00:25:11 Speaker 18: our Meeford Dragons event is coming

00:25:14 Speaker 18: up on the 13th of November.

00:25:18 Speaker 18: This is the 17th annual, so

00:25:22 Speaker 18: it's a very successful event run

00:25:24 Speaker 18: by our Chamber of Commerce. The

00:25:26 Speaker 18: contestants have just been announced. It's

00:25:28 Speaker 18: going to be Lovebird, a restaurant

00:25:29 Speaker 18: on our main street. and Brewer,

00:25:31 Speaker 18: Solo Fit Gym, Bounce Brothers, Field

00:25:32 Speaker 18: Guide, which is a business that

00:25:34 Speaker 18: makes natural skin products, and the

00:25:36 Speaker 18: Hub Educational Centre, which we're excited

00:25:38 Speaker 18: about. So tickets are on sale

00:25:40 Speaker 18: now at Meffert Hall, and that's

00:25:41 Speaker 18: 7:30 on the 13th of November.

00:25:43 Speaker 18: And I also wanted to share

00:25:45 Speaker 18: that we had a presentation at

00:25:48 Speaker 18: our council this week from Lieutenant

00:25:51 Speaker 18: Colonel Joe Tobin from our military

00:25:54 Speaker 18: base, and I think County Council

00:25:56 Speaker 18: doesn't often hear very. much about

00:25:57 Speaker 18: what happens at the base in

00:26:00 Speaker 18: Meadridge. So we learned that this

00:26:03 Speaker 18: year there are 218 staff at

00:26:04 Speaker 18: the base, 1,800 students have been

00:26:05 Speaker 18: through training programmemes, and there's some

00:26:07 Speaker 18: changes coming to the base,

00:26:09 Speaker 18: and they're predominantly going to be

00:26:11 Speaker 18: focused on infantry training and leadership

00:26:13 Speaker 18: training going forward. So it's it's

00:26:14 Speaker 18: really exciting, and I wonder at

00:26:17 Speaker 18: some point if we shouldn't invite

00:26:20 Speaker 18: the lieutenant colonel to come and

00:26:23 Speaker 18: present to County Council because it's

00:26:25 Speaker 18: really important. Because it's really interesting

00:26:27 Speaker 18: what happens at that fourth Canadian

00:26:29 Speaker 18: Division Training Centre, and perhaps the

00:26:31 Speaker 18: county be interested in learning more.

00:26:33 Speaker 18: Thank you. I think that's a

00:26:35 Speaker 18: fantastic idea. And are there any

00:26:37 Speaker 19: other county council? We'll go to

00:26:39 Speaker 19: Councillor Nielsen. Thank you very much,

00:26:41 Speaker 19: Ward Matrasoff. There's so much excitement

00:26:43 Speaker 19: around Halloween. Grey Highlands. We have

00:26:45 Speaker 19: two different organisations putting on two

00:26:48 Speaker 19: different Halloween events this weekend as

00:26:49 Speaker 19: well. The Markdale Recreation Committee is

00:26:51 Speaker 19: having the Boo Bash for the

00:26:55 Speaker 19: little. ones, because the Markville Arena

00:26:57 Speaker 19: is unfortunately still closed. It'll be

00:26:58 Speaker 19: taking place at the Anza United

00:27:00 Speaker 19: Church with a screening of a

00:27:01 Speaker 19: movie. That is this Friday. I

00:27:04 Speaker 19: will be there as your popcorn

00:27:05 Speaker 19: maker and extraordinaire. And then on

00:27:06 Speaker 19: Saturday, the Hanley Institute in Flusherton

00:27:08 Speaker 19: is having their Haunted Hanley, and

00:27:10 Speaker 19: I will be there as a

00:27:12 Speaker 19: jump scare tactician. But I also

00:27:14 Speaker 19: just wanted to reach out and

00:27:16 Speaker 19: say congratulations to West Grey and

00:27:17 Speaker 19: the Douglas Street Haunted House. My

00:27:18 Speaker 19: family had a chance to get

00:27:19 Speaker 19: over there. They put on a

00:27:21 Speaker 19: fantastic haunted house, and it is

00:27:22 Speaker 19: exciting to see the hundreds and

00:27:29 Speaker 19: hundreds of people I saw there

00:27:31 Speaker 19: on the Friday, and waiting in

00:27:37 Speaker 20: line to get through their festivities.

00:27:38 Speaker 20: And the fact that all the

00:27:40 Speaker 20: funds go to the food bank

00:27:43 Speaker 02: is quite phenomenal. So, just a

00:27:44 Speaker 02: congratulations to West Square on that

00:27:46 Speaker 02: one. Thank you. And anything else?

00:27:47 Speaker 02: Not seeing any further hands. Okay.

00:27:50 Speaker 02: All right. That allows us to

00:27:51 Speaker 02: look for a motion to adjourn.

00:28:09 Speaker 02: So it's recommended that County Council

00:28:10 Speaker 02: adjourn at 10:21 a.m. this morning.

00:28:12 Speaker 02: I'll take it from a move

00:28:14 Speaker 02: by Councillor Eccles and seconded by

00:28:15 Speaker 02: Councillor Dobrin. All those in favour?

00:28:16 Speaker 02: And that motion is carried. We'll

00:28:19 Speaker 02: give a moment for our technology

00:28:21 Speaker 02: to switch over. Okay, I'd like

00:28:25 Speaker 02: to call to order this committee.

00:28:26 Speaker 02: The whole meeting of October twenty

00:28:29 Speaker 02: third, twenty twenty five. At this

00:28:30 Speaker 02: point in time, I'll put out

00:28:31 Speaker 02: a call for any declarations of

00:28:33 Speaker 02: interest on this agenda. See no

00:28:35 Speaker 02: hands. We will proceed. Business arising

00:28:36 Speaker 02: for minutes. See no hands. We

00:28:37 Speaker 02: will proceed. We do not have

00:28:40 Speaker 02: any delegations this morning, and so

00:28:43 Speaker 02: at this point in time, we

00:28:47 Speaker 02: can have a look at the.

00:28:49 Speaker 02: five items that are listed under

00:28:50 Speaker 02: Section Six in terms of the

00:28:52 Speaker 02: consent agenda, and I'll put out

00:28:54 Speaker 02: a call if there are any

00:28:56 Speaker 02: that any committee, the whole members

00:28:57 Speaker 02: wish to pull for separate discussion.

00:29:00 Speaker 02: Looking for hands, seeing no hands.

00:29:02 Speaker 02: All right, then, it is recommended,

00:29:04 Speaker 02: Item Six. It is recommended that

00:29:06 Speaker 02: the following consent items be received,

00:29:08 Speaker 02: and that staff be authorised to

00:29:10 Speaker 02: take actions necessary to give effect

00:29:14 Speaker 02: to the recommendations in the staff

00:29:18 Speaker 02: reports, and that the correspondence be.

00:29:23 Speaker 02: supported or received for information, as

00:29:26 Speaker 21: recommended in the consent agenda. That's

00:29:28 Speaker 21: all five items. May ask for

00:29:31 Speaker 21: a mover and a seconder. Move

00:29:32 Speaker 21: by Councillor Hutchinson, seconded by we'll

00:29:37 Speaker 21: take Councillor Pringle, and on the

00:29:38 Speaker 21: floor for discussion. Any discussion? Yes.

00:29:40 Speaker 21: Sorry, Councillor Greg. I think it

00:29:41 Speaker 21: well. It's contained within the consent

00:29:45 Speaker 21: agenda. It's worth noting the positive

00:29:46 Speaker 21: news. from the expansion of

00:29:49 Speaker 21: Viking Sipes in Mount Forest is

00:29:51 Speaker 21: part of the item four or

00:29:54 Speaker 21: five there in the consent agenda.

00:29:56 Speaker 21: There's no questions to be asked

00:29:59 Speaker 21: to it, but it's certainly positive

00:30:07 Speaker 21: news for Mount Forest and and

00:30:09 Speaker 21: Gray County and the surrounding area

00:30:12 Speaker 22: there to see expansion of manufacturing

00:30:14 Speaker 22: facility, particularly in these times when

00:30:16 Speaker 22: we've had so much tariff and

00:30:21 Speaker 22: and challenge in terms of growing

00:30:23 Speaker 22: domestically. So. great to see that

00:30:26 Speaker 22: that expansion so close by. Uh,

00:30:29 Speaker 22: thank, thank you, thank you for

00:30:30 Speaker 22: highlighting that item. All right, anything

00:30:32 Speaker 22: else? All right, I'll call the

00:30:35 Speaker 22: question. Then, all those in favour,

00:30:37 Speaker 22: and that motion is carried. Next,

00:30:39 Speaker 22: we'll move on then to item

00:30:41 Speaker 22: seven A. It's recommended that report

00:30:43 Speaker 22: P S. That report PSRCW zero

00:30:44 Speaker 22: eight twenty five be received and

00:30:47 Speaker 22: that staff be directed to begin

00:30:49 Speaker 22: necessary background studies at the former

00:30:52 Speaker 22: Patrol D location in Dundalk to

00:30:53 Speaker 22: inform the development of of a

00:30:56 Speaker 22: new paramedic space at the location

00:30:57 Speaker 22: and that staff be directed to

00:30:58 Speaker 22: establish a project budget in advance

00:31:00 Speaker 22: of the twenty twenty six budget

00:31:02 Speaker 22: process of two million four hundred

00:31:04 Speaker 22: seventy two thousand dollars to be

00:31:06 Speaker 22: funded by debenture and that an

00:31:31 Speaker 22: RFP be issued prior to twenty

00:31:34 Speaker 22: twenty six Prior to 2026 budget

00:31:50 Speaker 23: approval, so with that, then I

00:31:52 Speaker 24: will look for a mover and

00:31:56 Speaker 25: a seconder to get it on

00:31:57 Speaker 25: the floor to begin. Moved by

00:32:00 Speaker 25: Councillor Carleton, seconded by Councillor Mackie.

00:32:02 Speaker 25: It's now on the floor for

00:32:04 Speaker 25: discussion, and we'll begin with Director

00:32:07 Speaker 25: McNab. I think of this problem

00:32:08 Speaker 25: all the time. I can see

00:32:10 Speaker 25: it. Good morning, Warden County Council.

00:32:13 Speaker 25: Here today to talk about the

00:32:15 Speaker 25: Dundalk Aromatic Base. Currently in Gray

00:32:18 Speaker 25: County, we own eight bases or

00:32:19 Speaker 25: lease bases to make up the

00:32:21 Speaker 25: eight. And currently, we're in the

00:32:23 Speaker 25: process of moving forward with building

00:32:25 Speaker 25: of the Feversham Base as a

00:32:30 Speaker 25: part of the comprehensive deployment review

00:32:32 Speaker 25: that took place in 22 and

00:32:34 Speaker 25: into 2023. Part of that was

00:32:35 Speaker 25: to build additional bases throughout the

00:32:38 Speaker 25: county. The deployment review looked at

00:32:39 Speaker 25: the current bases. Looked at the

00:32:42 Speaker 25: current base locations and determined they

00:32:45 Speaker 25: were in the right location. With

00:32:48 Speaker 25: Dundalk being located right in the

00:32:52 Speaker 25: town of Dundalk, and then being

00:32:54 Speaker 25: able to have places for analysts

00:32:57 Speaker 25: to park to match the resources

00:32:59 Speaker 25: that were coming. Part of the

00:33:01 Speaker 25: plan was to add additional bases

00:33:05 Speaker 25: throughout the county to reduce response

00:33:08 Speaker 25: times in our rural areas. So

00:33:10 Speaker 25: the plan being, Feversham was in

00:33:13 Speaker 25: 2025, and then 2025, and then

00:33:15 Speaker 25: Eton in 2026. Eighton in 2026,

00:33:17 Speaker 25: Thorburnberry in 2027, and Cobble Beach

00:33:18 Speaker 25: in 2028, and then there was

00:33:20 Speaker 25: Holstein. I believe it's 2031, but

00:33:22 Speaker 25: in 2023 we removed that base

00:33:25 Speaker 25: at this time, just to to

00:33:27 Speaker 25: budget reductions. So earlier this year,

00:33:29 Speaker 25: we were formally notified that due

00:33:31 Speaker 25: to growth in in Dundalk, that

00:33:33 Speaker 25: the fire department would be requiring

00:33:35 Speaker 25: the use of their full hall

00:33:37 Speaker 25: to hold the fire. Uh, to

00:33:43 Speaker 25: hold the fire trucks needed for

00:33:45 Speaker 25: to deliver service in their area,

00:33:48 Speaker 25: and this picture on the screen

00:33:50 Speaker 25: is where our current base is

00:33:54 Speaker 25: now. Uh, we have the the

00:33:58 Speaker 25: door that's marked there, and we

00:34:00 Speaker 25: occupied the bottom right corner of

00:34:02 Speaker 25: that building. Uh, we've been there

00:34:04 Speaker 25: since 2004, and it's been a

00:34:05 Speaker 25: great location and cool habited with

00:34:09 Speaker 25: the fire department. Uh, quite nicely

00:34:12 Speaker 25: there. The uh, because of the

00:34:15 Speaker 25: move, uh, we have. Of the

00:34:18 Speaker 25: move, we have been looking at

00:34:21 Speaker 25: other areas within Dundalk, and this

00:34:24 Speaker 25: area is owned by the County

00:34:26 Speaker 25: of Gray, just off of Gray

00:34:28 Speaker 25: Street and Glenelg. Across access from

00:34:31 Speaker 25: Glenelg and Gray Street West, you

00:34:33 Speaker 25: can see there. That's the area

00:34:35 Speaker 25: of the old salt dome, as

00:34:36 Speaker 25: well as there's some open land

00:34:39 Speaker 25: in that area. There, there is

00:34:41 Speaker 25: an operations facility there that for

00:34:44 Speaker 25: the transportation. department for winter operations,

00:34:45 Speaker 25: there's no proposed changes at this

00:34:48 Speaker 25: time. When we brought this report

00:34:49 Speaker 25: back in February, as a part

00:34:51 Speaker 25: of the acquisition of the Fever

00:34:57 Speaker 25: Sham land, we did bring up

00:35:00 Speaker 25: about this potential as a as

00:35:03 Speaker 25: a that was going to be

00:35:05 Speaker 25: happening in the Dundalk area, and

00:35:06 Speaker 25: at that time we wondered about

00:35:10 Speaker 25: you know converting that place. We

00:35:11 Speaker 25: have done preliminary looks at this

00:35:18 Speaker 25: with. our in-house architect, and it's

00:35:21 Speaker 25: determined that there will be significant

00:35:23 Speaker 25: costs to be have to renovate

00:35:24 Speaker 25: that building, and most likely not

00:35:26 Speaker 25: a good option this time to

00:35:29 Speaker 25: renovate that versus building a base.

00:35:30 Speaker 25: So, pending further site analysis, we

00:35:32 Speaker 25: we feel that the best option

00:35:34 Speaker 25: would be is to build on

00:35:36 Speaker 25: the open area of the land

00:35:38 Speaker 25: at that depot. Again, keeping in

00:35:39 Speaker 25: mind that all the Keeping in

00:35:40 Speaker 25: mind if all the testing was

00:35:42 Speaker 25: back okay with that location, with

00:35:44 Speaker 25: the review next year happening if

00:35:45 Speaker 25: it gets approved with the budget,

00:35:47 Speaker 25: we understand that this is a

00:36:00 Speaker 25: lot of pressure with bases building

00:36:01 Speaker 01: going forward, and that's one thing

00:36:02 Speaker 01: that we will commit to do.

00:36:03 Speaker 02: Is part of this is to

00:36:06 Speaker 02: look at our base builds over

00:36:08 Speaker 02: the next coming years with eight

00:36:10 Speaker 02: eight and starting next year, and

00:36:11 Speaker 02: to ensure that you know. that

00:36:13 Speaker 02: but the plan that we have

00:36:15 Speaker 02: in place is still required based

00:36:20 Speaker 02: upon call volume, and the requirements

00:36:25 Speaker 02: are still there. So we would

00:36:27 Speaker 17: hope to have that report back

00:36:29 Speaker 17: later next year. Okay, thank you

00:36:31 Speaker 17: very much. I'm just going to

00:36:33 Speaker 17: ask the deputy CEO if he'd

00:36:37 Speaker 17: like to add on anything before

00:36:39 Speaker 17: we get started, or okay, but

00:36:43 Speaker 17: he's on standby to to add.

00:36:45 Speaker 17: On standby to to answer questions

00:36:50 Speaker 17: depending on the nature of the

00:36:53 Speaker 17: questions. So, with that, then we'll

00:36:55 Speaker 17: put put it out to committee,

00:36:58 Speaker 17: the whole members, and we'll begin

00:37:06 Speaker 17: with Councillor McKay. Yes, thanks, Chief

00:37:09 Speaker 17: Warden Kevin. Is there any thought

00:37:10 Speaker 25: on the Dundalk base and the

00:37:14 Speaker 25: Feversham base? Are they to get

00:37:17 Speaker 25: put one in between, or are

00:37:18 Speaker 25: they too far apart? And just

00:37:20 Speaker 25: a follow up is if. we

00:37:22 Speaker 25: have to build a new base

00:37:27 Speaker 25: for Dundalk this year, would the

00:37:31 Speaker 25: other bases be put off for

00:37:31 Speaker 25: by a year? Are you thinking

00:37:35 Speaker 25: build build one in this year

00:37:37 Speaker 25: and build another one next year?

00:37:41 Speaker 25: So you'd have two bases built

00:37:44 Speaker 25: within that budget year. So just

00:37:46 Speaker 25: a thought. I believe the first

00:37:47 Speaker 25: question around Dundalk, where it is,

00:37:50 Speaker 25: there is a significant open area

00:37:53 Speaker 25: to the west of Dundalk, that

00:37:55 Speaker 25: between Mount Forest and Dundalk into

00:37:56 Speaker 25: that area. So, moving if you

00:37:59 Speaker 25: move closer to Feversham, I think

00:38:00 Speaker 25: you would pull away more from

00:38:02 Speaker 25: that southwest area of the county.

00:38:03 Speaker 25: So, I'm not sure if we're

00:38:06 Speaker 25: going any further that way. would

00:38:07 Speaker 25: be advisable as far as response

00:38:14 Speaker 25: times go into the mid portion

00:38:15 Speaker 25: of Southgate. As far as building

00:38:18 Speaker 26: bases, yes, we already have Fieberheim

00:38:22 Speaker 26: on the way, and this would

00:38:24 Speaker 26: be a second one through 26.

00:38:26 Speaker 26: There is eight in schedule for

00:38:28 Speaker 26: 2026, and we have talked here

00:38:30 Speaker 21: about you know whether you know

00:38:33 Speaker 21: with the comprehensive deployment review looking

00:38:35 Speaker 21: at that, and then where we

00:38:37 Speaker 21: go from there, making sure that.

00:38:40 Speaker 21: our our decisions are sound. Now

00:38:43 Speaker 21: that we're four years into the

00:38:44 Speaker 21: plan, that might be something that

00:38:46 Speaker 21: we could look at pushing bases

00:38:50 Speaker 21: out further. Okay, thank you. Look

00:38:53 Speaker 21: around the room for any other

00:38:55 Speaker 21: questions, and we'll go to Councillor

00:38:57 Speaker 21: Greg. Thank you. Thanks for the

00:39:00 Speaker 21: presentation, Kevin. Just a couple questions.

00:39:01 Speaker 21: One, probably to finance. Just to

00:39:03 Speaker 21: speak to the debentures. Do we

00:39:05 Speaker 21: have any debentures coming off the

00:39:07 Speaker 21: books in the next year or

00:39:10 Speaker 21: two? This is and and then

00:39:14 Speaker 21: in terms of how we're financing

00:39:17 Speaker 21: this debenture, it doesn't explicitly say.

00:39:19 Speaker 21: I don't think in the report

00:39:20 Speaker 21: how long the debentures for. I

00:39:23 Speaker 21: presume it's probably fifteen years. Just

00:39:24 Speaker 21: at a high level, looking at

00:39:25 Speaker 21: the the rough numbers. And Kevin,

00:39:31 Speaker 27: just wondering as we try to

00:39:32 Speaker 27: optimize and make best use of.

00:39:34 Speaker 27: resources. It's great news that we

00:39:35 Speaker 27: have the property that you're looking

00:39:37 Speaker 27: at. That's a county-owned property. But

00:39:38 Speaker 27: was there any consideration to expand

00:39:40 Speaker 27: working with the town of Southgate

00:39:42 Speaker 27: and expanding the existing building? What

00:39:43 Speaker 27: type of cost comparison that might

00:39:45 Speaker 27: have created? Was that because this

00:39:47 Speaker 27: is an unplanned expenditure at this

00:39:48 Speaker 27: time? It wasn't in the deployment.

00:39:50 Speaker 27: So I guess that's those are

00:39:55 Speaker 27: my first two questions, and then

00:39:57 Speaker 27: just a follow-up. Thanks, Jordan. Thank

00:40:07 Speaker 27: you, Jordan. That I don't know

00:40:12 Speaker 24: about adding on to the base.

00:40:14 Speaker 28: Whether they they'll need to add

00:40:16 Speaker 28: on themselves, I'm not sure. I'd

00:40:17 Speaker 28: have to ask that question about

00:40:22 Speaker 28: if there's something that could be

00:40:25 Speaker 28: added on there, on top of

00:40:28 Speaker 28: that, or if they're if they're

00:40:30 Speaker 28: actually building on beyond that themselves.

00:40:32 Speaker 28: So I'll have to I'll have

00:40:34 Speaker 28: to ask that question. As far

00:40:36 Speaker 28: as the the venture time, I

00:40:37 Speaker 28: mean, the commander will assist with

00:40:43 Speaker 28: that. I think our first venture.

00:40:45 Speaker 28: I think our first adventure coming

00:40:46 Speaker 28: off would be Tatsworth based on

00:40:49 Speaker 28: the. Thank you through you, Madam

00:40:51 Speaker 28: Warden. Um, our apologies, we did

00:40:53 Speaker 28: miss putting the the term of

00:41:02 Speaker 28: the proposed adventure in there, and

00:41:04 Speaker 28: it would be a twenty five

00:41:05 Speaker 28: year. That's um, and with regard

00:41:08 Speaker 28: to any um debt. Any debt

00:41:11 Speaker 28: coming off, we have an internally

00:41:12 Speaker 28: financed debt that was just over

00:41:14 Speaker 28: seven point two million for the

00:41:17 Speaker 28: renovation and addition to this building.

00:41:19 Speaker 07: It comes off in twenty thirty

00:41:21 Speaker 07: one, and that'll be the first

00:41:25 Speaker 07: one that matures. Sorry, Gray Gable's

00:41:27 Speaker 07: roof. We it matures in twenty

00:41:29 Speaker 07: thirty, so that was a self

00:41:33 Speaker 07: financed as well when we replaced

00:41:34 Speaker 07: the shingled roof with a steel

00:41:36 Speaker 07: roof, and then Chatsworth. matures in

00:41:39 Speaker 07: twenty thirty one as well. Oh,

00:41:41 Speaker 07: sorry, Councillor Greg. Um, the CAO

00:41:42 Speaker 07: would like to add something before

00:41:44 Speaker 07: I go back to you. Just,

00:41:46 Speaker 07: just further to the question with

00:41:48 Speaker 07: respect to whether or not there's

00:41:50 Speaker 07: the potential to potentially add to

00:41:53 Speaker 07: the the existing fire hall. So,

00:41:56 Speaker 07: um, obviously they, as Kevin's indicated,

00:41:58 Speaker 07: the fire department requires the existing.

00:41:59 Speaker 07: space that we currently occupy. Based

00:42:01 Speaker 07: on what we're seeing from from

00:42:05 Speaker 07: a potential growth and what the

00:42:07 Speaker 07: growth was happening in around Dundalk

00:42:12 Speaker 07: area, you know, anticipate you know

00:42:14 Speaker 07: there could be some further expansion

00:42:15 Speaker 07: opportunities with the fire department say

00:42:17 Speaker 07: in in the future. Plus, for

00:42:19 Speaker 07: for even for our own base

00:42:25 Speaker 07: in terms of be able to

00:42:30 Speaker 07: respond to increased response times that

00:42:34 Speaker 07: we anticipate happening in around the

00:42:36 Speaker 28: Dundalk area. So, from a long

00:42:39 Speaker 28: term perspective, this. Long-term perspective, this

00:42:43 Speaker 28: probably is is our and why

00:42:46 Speaker 28: staff are recommending a new base,

00:42:52 Speaker 28: a new standalone facility to to

00:42:54 Speaker 28: operate. But again, we're happy to

00:42:56 Speaker 28: take any direction from council in

00:42:58 Speaker 28: terms of exploring any other options

00:43:00 Speaker 28: with with Southgate about potential expansion

00:43:03 Speaker 28: if the land is available to

00:43:06 Speaker 28: be able to do that. Thank

00:43:09 Speaker 28: you. What are the annualized payments

00:43:11 Speaker 28: on those? You mentioned seven point

00:43:14 Speaker 28: two million for the county renovations.

00:43:18 Speaker 28: Just wondering what the annualized payment

00:43:20 Speaker 28: is, and yeah, I'll leave it

00:43:25 Speaker 28: that. That first question. Through you,

00:43:26 Speaker 28: Madam Warden. The debenture payment for

00:43:29 Speaker 28: this building is seven hundred six

00:43:32 Speaker 28: thousand five hundred thirty nine dollars,

00:43:35 Speaker 28: and that, of course, has no

00:43:41 Speaker 28: subsidy on it. For the Chatsworth

00:43:44 Speaker 28: base, the payment that self-financed is

00:43:46 Speaker 28: sixty-five thousand four hundred and twenty-four

00:43:50 Speaker 28: dollars. I'd have to look at

00:43:53 Speaker 28: our budget for this year, so

00:43:58 Speaker 28: we would get fifty percent. Sorry,

00:44:00 Speaker 28: we don't get any subsidy on

00:44:09 Speaker 28: that one because we self-financed it.

00:44:11 Speaker 28: Gray Gables, the payment is seventy-three

00:44:13 Speaker 28: thousand two hundred and thirty-four dollars,

00:44:16 Speaker 21: and again, that's a hundred percent

00:44:18 Speaker 21: municipal. 100% municipal. Then, when we

00:44:19 Speaker 21: move into Durham and Feversham, we

00:44:22 Speaker 21: are looking at debenturing through Infrastructure

00:44:29 Speaker 21: Ontario, a little bit different than

00:44:32 Speaker 21: what we've done in the past.

00:44:35 Speaker 21: So, if we self finance, the

00:44:37 Speaker 21: ministry will not give us 50-50

00:44:40 Speaker 28: funding on the interest. But if

00:44:44 Speaker 28: we finance through Infrastructure Ontario, we

00:44:47 Speaker 28: would get fifty percent of the

00:44:51 Speaker 28: interest paid in our grant. Um,

00:44:56 Speaker 28: in Infrastructure Ontario, lending rate yesterday

00:44:57 Speaker 28: for a twenty-five year borrow was

00:45:02 Speaker 28: rough, just just under four point

00:45:04 Speaker 28: five percent. For example. Okay, this

00:45:09 Speaker 28: is a big ask today to

00:45:12 Speaker 28: have the pre-budget approval. Could you?

00:45:17 Speaker 28: speak further to the timelines that

00:45:21 Speaker 28: are required for such an ask,

00:45:22 Speaker 28: as opposed to having this come

00:45:25 Speaker 28: back during the budget process and

00:45:28 Speaker 28: probably just three months? Through

00:45:31 Speaker 28: your, Madam Warden, we we did

00:45:32 Speaker 28: discuss that internally. If we wait

00:45:36 Speaker 07: until the budget bylaw passes, and

00:45:38 Speaker 07: fingers crossed, the first week of

00:45:39 Speaker 07: January, then we are beginning. the

00:45:43 Speaker 07: process, middle of January, having a

00:45:46 Speaker 07: close middle of February, so that's

00:45:48 Speaker 07: putting five months ish delay before

00:45:50 Speaker 07: anything would happen. Given that the

00:45:52 Speaker 07: fact that we've been asked to

00:45:54 Speaker 07: vacate, and you would want to

00:45:57 Speaker 07: get the building closed in and

00:46:00 Speaker 07: and be able to occupy it.

00:46:03 Speaker 07: I I think that the delay

00:46:04 Speaker 07: causes more issues than asking council

00:46:07 Speaker 07: for an early approval. And it's

00:46:10 Speaker 07: unfortunate that it's not in our

00:46:12 Speaker 07: plan, but that's something beyond both

00:46:15 Speaker 07: our control and you know the

00:46:18 Speaker 07: the unprecedented growth that Southgate's having.

00:46:20 Speaker 07: Okay, we're going to go to

00:46:21 Speaker 07: the CAO. Yeah, thank you through

00:46:29 Speaker 07: the warden. just further to what

00:46:32 Speaker 07: Mary Lou indicated in terms of

00:46:34 Speaker 29: timing, we we received further confirmation

00:46:35 Speaker 29: from from Southgate that I think

00:46:38 Speaker 29: the desire is to have in

00:46:40 Speaker 29: about a year's time to be

00:46:42 Speaker 29: able to occupy the current space

00:46:45 Speaker 29: that that we have. There's I

00:46:48 Speaker 21: think a little bit of flexibility

00:46:51 Speaker 21: there, obviously working together with Southgate,

00:46:53 Speaker 21: but given those timeframes, in order

00:46:54 Speaker 21: to complete potentially a construction of

00:46:57 Speaker 21: a new base, if that's again

00:47:00 Speaker 21: what. council supports today, then that

00:47:02 Speaker 21: allows us to proceed in that

00:47:04 Speaker 21: timeframe to be able to work

00:47:07 Speaker 21: through award a award a contract,

00:47:09 Speaker 21: get all the site prep work

00:47:11 Speaker 21: done, actually construct a base, and

00:47:12 Speaker 21: have it fully operational within that

00:47:14 Speaker 21: period of time. Thanks for those

00:47:17 Speaker 21: responses. I I want to point

00:47:20 Speaker 21: out on page. two, there's a

00:47:21 Speaker 21: line in the second paragraph. This

00:47:24 Speaker 21: growth is occurring across the county.

00:47:25 Speaker 21: However, the highest call volumes remain

00:47:29 Speaker 21: directly tied to urban areas. Kevin,

00:47:31 Speaker 21: you and your team have performed

00:47:33 Speaker 21: exceptionally well in the last several

00:47:36 Speaker 21: years, and that's demonstrated in the

00:47:40 Speaker 21: the annual reporting that goes back

00:47:42 Speaker 21: to the province in terms of

00:47:43 Speaker 21: meeting your your time commitments. I

00:47:46 Speaker 21: do wonder if if this conversation

00:47:47 Speaker 21: or if last council's conversation about

00:47:49 Speaker 21: Feversham might have been more extensive

00:47:51 Speaker 21: if this report had been first,

00:47:53 Speaker 21: and then Feversham, and we were

00:47:56 Speaker 21: looking at it in that light.

00:47:58 Speaker 21: So I am glad to hear

00:48:03 Speaker 21: that you're you are looking at

00:48:04 Speaker 21: bringing information back to council about

00:48:06 Speaker 21: that comprehensive service deployment. I point

00:48:08 Speaker 21: to that highlighted part of the

00:48:09 Speaker 21: paragraph as a rationale why we

00:48:11 Speaker 21: need to have a look at

00:48:12 Speaker 21: it. We just it's going to

00:48:14 Speaker 21: get extremely difficult to continue. to

00:48:16 Speaker 21: build out to a certain level

00:48:22 Speaker 21: of service, as opposed to responding

00:48:24 Speaker 21: to those times that we're currently

00:48:26 Speaker 21: still meeting, which is which is

00:48:28 Speaker 21: great, and we want to do

00:48:32 Speaker 21: it. But to to be able

00:48:33 Speaker 19: to stay the course on our

00:48:34 Speaker 19: current plan and trajectory, and then

00:48:37 Speaker 19: you and and then have a

00:48:39 Speaker 19: one like this introduced that's not

00:48:42 Speaker 19: outside of the the plan is

00:48:44 Speaker 19: well, the county has a lot

00:48:48 Speaker 19: of financial obligations and. this demonstrates

00:48:51 Speaker 19: the inability to be able to

00:48:52 Speaker 19: meet all of them with the

00:48:54 Speaker 19: reports that that we've been given.

00:48:57 Speaker 19: So I'm glad to see that

00:49:02 Speaker 19: there's intention of bringing that back,

00:49:04 Speaker 19: so that council can have a

00:49:05 Speaker 28: fulsome discussion on what that timeline

00:49:09 Speaker 28: in the future needs to look

00:49:12 Speaker 28: like for those future bases. Thanks.

00:49:15 Speaker 28: Okay, thank you. I'm going to

00:49:17 Speaker 28: look around the committee, the whole

00:49:21 Speaker 28: table. I'm not seeing any further

00:49:23 Speaker 28: hands. we'll go over to Councillor

00:49:25 Speaker 28: Nielsen. Thank you very much, Wardman

00:49:28 Speaker 28: Trusoff, and I think my question

00:49:31 Speaker 28: might be for Mary Lou. Just

00:49:34 Speaker 28: in terms, I'm trying to understand.

00:49:37 Speaker 28: You said that the subsidy doesn't

00:49:40 Speaker 28: cover the payment because if if

00:49:44 Speaker 28: we were to consider self financing,

00:49:46 Speaker 28: does is and you mentioned just

00:49:48 Speaker 28: the interest? Does the actual payment

00:49:52 Speaker 28: itself, as a capital expense, get

00:49:55 Speaker 28: covered as part of the grant

00:49:58 Speaker 28: between the province? and the county

00:50:01 Speaker 28: for operating paramedics. Through you, Madam

00:50:02 Speaker 28: Warden. I will refer to it

00:50:03 Speaker 28: as an interesting exercise. The grant

00:50:09 Speaker 28: we get for the nine one

00:50:17 Speaker 28: one side provides us fifty percent

00:50:19 Speaker 28: of our eligible expenses adjusted for

00:50:21 Speaker 28: PSAB. PSAB is Public Sector Accounting

00:50:23 Speaker 28: Board. So, if we build a

00:50:26 Speaker 28: two million dollar base, it's not

00:50:29 Speaker 28: like they will give. us two

00:50:31 Speaker 28: million dollars over twenty-five. They won't

00:50:34 Speaker 28: give us the two million dollars,

00:50:36 Speaker 28: fifty percent of it in one

00:50:37 Speaker 28: year. So they will recognize the

00:50:39 Speaker 28: interest as an annual expense, and

00:50:40 Speaker 28: then they apply that as that's

00:50:43 Speaker 28: your council-approved budget, and they give

00:50:46 Speaker 28: you fifty percent of that council-approved

00:50:47 Speaker 28: budget next year. Part of the

00:50:49 Speaker 28: P Sabat. The PSSB expenses are

00:50:50 Speaker 28: amortization. So, if we put a

00:50:52 Speaker 28: fifty-year life on a base, and

00:50:57 Speaker 28: the base cost us two million

00:50:58 Speaker 28: dollars, well, they give you two

00:51:00 Speaker 28: million dollars over fifty years. There's

00:51:03 Speaker 28: your. It. It's not the best

00:51:05 Speaker 28: way for a municipality to have

00:51:09 Speaker 28: to operate because what they're doing

00:51:10 Speaker 28: is. we're paying the cost up

00:51:12 Speaker 28: front. They're giving you reimbursement at

00:51:15 Speaker 28: fifty percent of the historical value

00:51:18 Speaker 28: over the life of the asset,

00:51:20 Speaker 19: and then we're saving up more

00:51:23 Speaker 19: than that to replace the asset

00:51:26 Speaker 19: at the end of its lifespan.

00:51:29 Speaker 19: Or we're working on to having

00:51:31 Speaker 19: a plan. So whether the plan

00:51:32 Speaker 19: is the taxpayers of today, we're

00:51:34 Speaker 19: asking them to fund a transfer

00:51:39 Speaker 19: reserve to put away money for

00:51:42 Speaker 19: the future, or the taxpayer of

00:51:47 Speaker 28: the day, like in this case.

00:51:54 Speaker 28: we'll be paying for the asset

00:51:55 Speaker 28: because we're borrowing. Thank you for

00:51:56 Speaker 28: that, Mary Lou. And just a

00:51:59 Speaker 28: follow-up, if I may. So in

00:52:02 Speaker 28: this instance, there's no current asset,

00:52:03 Speaker 28: and it's a somewhat of an

00:52:06 Speaker 28: unexpected expense, right? And and and

00:52:07 Speaker 28: I fully respect what Selfie is

00:52:10 Speaker 28: going through and why the expense

00:52:14 Speaker 28: is coming up. So carrying forward

00:52:14 Speaker 28: to the, I guess it'll end

00:52:17 Speaker 28: up being the 2022. I guess

00:52:20 Speaker 28: it'll end up being the 2027

00:52:21 Speaker 28: budget year. That's when they would

00:52:24 Speaker 28: start providing the depreciation value of

00:52:29 Speaker 28: this building on the annual basis.

00:52:30 Speaker 28: So you're you're probably that length

00:52:32 Speaker 19: of time before there's any actual

00:52:35 Speaker 19: increase in funding to help support

00:52:37 Speaker 19: the the rebuild. Are you, Madam

00:52:40 Speaker 19: Warden? That's correct. So they're looking

00:52:41 Speaker 19: at our 2026 budget adjusted for

00:52:43 Speaker 19: expenses like amortization, post employment. Post-employment

00:52:45 Speaker 19: benefits, future WSIB costs, and it's

00:52:46 Speaker 19: the approved budget, not the actuals.

00:52:54 Speaker 19: And they will give us fifty

00:52:57 Speaker 19: percent of that. So if our

00:53:02 Speaker 30: actuals were less, they're going to

00:53:03 Speaker 30: give us fifty percent of the

00:53:05 Speaker 30: actuals. If the actuals exceed that,

00:53:13 Speaker 30: they're still giving us fifty percent

00:53:14 Speaker 30: of the 2026 budget in 2027.

00:53:17 Speaker 30: So it's imprecise science, and that's

00:53:19 Speaker 30: where we want to make sure

00:53:21 Speaker 30: that we at least budget. as

00:53:24 Speaker 07: much as we expect, because what

00:53:28 Speaker 07: we're we're trying to do is

00:53:30 Speaker 07: get the funding that we should

00:53:32 Speaker 07: receive for the appropriate expenses. And

00:53:35 Speaker 07: then just one final question, if

00:53:37 Speaker 07: I may, thank you, Ward Muchsov.

00:53:38 Speaker 07: With the need of this base

00:53:41 Speaker 07: being, I would say, almost entirely

00:53:43 Speaker 07: growth related, is there DC charges

00:53:50 Speaker 07: that help to pay the capital

00:53:52 Speaker 07: expense of the build? Is there

00:53:54 Speaker 31: DCs available to help? bring down

00:53:56 Speaker 31: what this payment might actually be?

00:53:59 Speaker 31: Because we did not have that

00:54:01 Speaker 31: in the DC plan, because it

00:54:03 Speaker 15: was an unexpected expense, I can't

00:54:05 Speaker 15: take money out of DCs for

00:54:06 Speaker 15: something that wasn't in our plan.

00:54:10 Speaker 15: Through the warden, and further to

00:54:11 Speaker 15: what. Through the ward and further

00:54:13 Speaker 15: to what Mary Lou just indicated

00:54:14 Speaker 15: as well. So, although it was

00:54:17 Speaker 15: planned, is not currently in the

00:54:20 Speaker 15: DC background study. Through our review,

00:54:23 Speaker 15: we're we'll of course ask whoever

00:54:26 Speaker 15: consultant we'll be working with to

00:54:29 Speaker 15: see if there's an opportunity to

00:54:31 Speaker 15: still include some of that on

00:54:33 Speaker 15: a post construction basis. So, so

00:54:34 Speaker 15: that's something that we'll be exploring

00:54:36 Speaker 15: further. But at this current time,

00:54:37 Speaker 15: as Mary Lou indicated, there's no

00:54:41 Speaker 15: no DCs. that are allocated to

00:54:42 Speaker 15: this project. Okay. Any other questions?

00:54:44 Speaker 15: Oh, we'll go to Councillor McQueen.

00:54:46 Speaker 15: Thank you, Madam Warden. Just furthering

00:54:49 Speaker 32: on the part of the growth,

00:54:53 Speaker 32: obviously associated scrolling, and there's demand

00:54:54 Speaker 32: or need for more fire protection.

00:54:56 Speaker 32: We got to remember we see

00:54:57 Speaker 32: growth every year when we do

00:54:59 Speaker 32: our budget, and we just roll

00:55:00 Speaker 32: it in. But that growth is

00:55:02 Speaker 32: related to what. Is related to

00:55:05 Speaker 32: what's happening, and we have to

00:55:06 Speaker 32: catch up to that as well.

00:55:08 Speaker 32: So, not that we're capturing on

00:55:10 Speaker 32: the DC side, but it's also

00:55:12 Speaker 32: our base asset or assets, or

00:55:14 Speaker 32: you know, the impact and and

00:55:15 Speaker 33: and all that value is is

00:55:18 Speaker 33: growing because things are being built.

00:55:23 Speaker 33: But when things get built, they

00:55:26 Speaker 33: need more services. So we have

00:55:29 Speaker 25: to keep that in mind when

00:55:31 Speaker 25: we're going through that budget process.

00:55:33 Speaker 25: That you know, when we see

00:55:35 Speaker 25: that growth. It's related to. It's

00:55:35 Speaker 25: going to catch up to you.

00:55:37 Speaker 25: The other part I just wanted

00:55:46 Speaker 25: briefly touch on, to maybe where

00:55:48 Speaker 34: Kevin is. Also, we share a

00:55:52 Speaker 34: space in Markdale's fire department building

00:55:54 Speaker 34: with the EMS. There could be

00:55:56 Speaker 02: at some point something on the

00:55:56 Speaker 02: books right now, but that may

00:55:59 Speaker 02: change as well for the growth

00:56:02 Speaker 02: that we see in Markdale. Well,

00:56:03 Speaker 02: so it's all going back to

00:56:05 Speaker 02: growth. You don't really need to

00:56:09 Speaker 02: comment there, but it just it

00:56:10 Speaker 02: just is regrowth. It just

00:56:13 Speaker 02: as we grow, there's growing pains,

00:56:16 Speaker 02: right? So, and if we want

00:56:17 Speaker 02: to maintain that level of service

00:56:19 Speaker 02: for EMS and and all that

00:56:21 Speaker 02: stuff, you have to sort

00:56:23 Speaker 02: of follow up. Anyway, there's some

00:56:25 Speaker 02: comments there. Yeah, we see that

00:56:27 Speaker 02: in in Markdale as well. At

00:56:29 Speaker 02: one time, we had the

00:56:31 Speaker 02: whole west wing wireless, but now

00:56:33 Speaker 02: we actually share that with the

00:56:36 Speaker 02: fire department, and we have another

00:56:36 Speaker 02: parking spot off to the side

00:56:37 Speaker 02: where. a smaller vehicle can fit,

00:56:39 Speaker 02: so we do get jockeyed around.

00:56:41 Speaker 02: Okay, good, healthy discussion there. I

00:56:42 Speaker 02: don't see any further hands. We've

00:56:44 Speaker 02: had good reflective responses from all

00:56:47 Speaker 02: of our staff involved. Thank you

00:56:49 Speaker 02: very much for that. So I'll

00:56:50 Speaker 35: call the question. All those in

00:56:52 Speaker 35: favour, and that motion is carried.

00:56:53 Speaker 35: Thank you. Next, we'll move on

00:56:57 Speaker 35: to item seven B. It's recommended.

00:56:58 Speaker 35: Item 7B. It's recommended that report

00:57:00 Speaker 35: PDR CW 6025 regarding the Town

00:57:03 Speaker 35: of Blue Mountains' request for further

00:57:04 Speaker 35: planning approval authority delegations be received,

00:57:06 Speaker 35: and that staff be directed to

00:57:07 Speaker 35: number one, work with the town

00:57:09 Speaker 35: to consult with the public; number

00:57:10 Speaker 35: two, to research options for delegating

00:57:12 Speaker 35: planning approvals for subdivisions, condominiums, and

00:57:14 Speaker 35: part lot control from the county

00:57:16 Speaker 35: to the town; and number three,

00:57:18 Speaker 35: to prepare a draft memorandum of

00:57:20 Speaker 35: understanding for future consideration by the

00:57:22 Speaker 35: town. and county councils, and with

00:57:24 Speaker 35: that, I'll look for a mover

00:57:25 Speaker 35: and a seconder to get it

00:57:27 Speaker 35: on the floor. So it's moved

00:57:28 Speaker 35: by Councillor Dobrin, seconded by Councillor

00:57:31 Speaker 35: Hutchinson. It's now on the floor,

00:57:34 Speaker 35: and we will look virtually to

00:57:36 Speaker 35: Director Taylor this morning. Good

00:57:39 Speaker 35: morning. Thank you, Madam Warden, and

00:57:40 Speaker 35: good good morning, Warden, and members

00:57:42 Speaker 35: of council, and anyone that might

00:57:44 Speaker 35: be tuning in. So some of

00:57:47 Speaker 35: you may remember an enthralling planning

00:57:50 Speaker 35: report from 2022, which was looking

00:57:52 Speaker 35: at the potential of delegating some

00:57:53 Speaker 35: approvals from planning approvals from the

00:57:56 Speaker 35: county. to municipalities, and it was

00:57:57 Speaker 35: also looking at ways to streamline

00:57:59 Speaker 35: the planning process. Just as an

00:58:02 Speaker 35: interesting side note, I believe the

00:58:04 Speaker 35: lengthy presentation and discussion on that

00:58:06 Speaker 35: report was where we first got

00:58:08 Speaker 35: branded as delaying council from their

00:58:10 Speaker 35: nourishment breaks. Reflecting back, maybe not

00:58:12 Speaker 35: everyone found that presentation quite as

00:58:13 Speaker 35: thrilling as I did. But the

00:58:16 Speaker 35: outcomes of that 2022 report were

00:58:18 Speaker 35: that staff were directed to further

00:58:20 Speaker 35: explore efficiencies in the planning process,

00:58:23 Speaker 35: both at the county and and

00:58:25 Speaker 35: working with our municipal partners. And

00:58:26 Speaker 35: that's been done by subsequent reports

00:58:28 Speaker 35: and acts. By subsequent reports and

00:58:29 Speaker 35: actions, but the council also supported

00:58:31 Speaker 35: a motion which which said that

00:58:34 Speaker 35: if municipalities were seeking further delegated

00:58:36 Speaker 35: planning approvals, they simply needed to

00:58:38 Speaker 35: pass a motion at their municipal

00:58:40 Speaker 35: council requesting as such, and then

00:58:42 Speaker 35: staff could enter into discussions to

00:58:45 Speaker 35: to explore those those potential delegated

00:58:47 Speaker 35: approvals. Excuse me. Up until

00:58:49 Speaker 35: the summer of twenty twenty five,

00:58:51 Speaker 35: we didn't have any such requests

00:58:53 Speaker 35: from municipalities in gray, but in

00:58:55 Speaker 35: June of twenty five, town of

00:58:57 Speaker 35: the Blue Mountains. 25. Town of

00:58:58 Speaker 35: the Blue Mountains Council supported a

00:59:01 Speaker 35: motion requesting some further delegated approvals.

00:59:03 Speaker 35: Following the passing of that motion

00:59:05 Speaker 35: by Town Council, Town and County

00:59:06 Speaker 35: staff have met on on a

00:59:09 Speaker 35: number of occasions to to start

00:59:10 Speaker 35: to map out a process of

00:59:13 Speaker 35: what this could look like if

00:59:14 Speaker 35: the County were to delegate said

00:59:16 Speaker 35: approvals. Following those those discussions, Town

00:59:17 Speaker 35: staff prepared an additional staff report

00:59:18 Speaker 35: in in October of 25

00:59:21 Speaker 35: and got authorization from Town Council

00:59:23 Speaker 35: to proceed to a joint public

00:59:25 Speaker 35: meeting to be able to explore.

00:59:27 Speaker 35: this topic further, and so just

00:59:30 Speaker 35: as a bit of a refresher

00:59:31 Speaker 35: here, the specific delegated approvals in

00:59:33 Speaker 35: in in question are the delegation

00:59:35 Speaker 35: of the approval of draft plans

00:59:38 Speaker 35: of subdivision and condominium, including both

00:59:40 Speaker 35: redline revisions to those plans as

00:59:43 Speaker 35: well as draft plan extensions to

00:59:45 Speaker 35: plans of subdivision and condominium. It

00:59:47 Speaker 35: would also include final approval and

00:59:49 Speaker 35: registration of subdivisions and condominiums. It

00:59:52 Speaker 35: would include part lock control, and

00:59:53 Speaker 35: it could also include condominium exemptions

00:59:55 Speaker 35: in that regard. excuse me. So,

00:59:56 Speaker 35: just as a bit of a

00:59:58 Speaker 35: refresher here, the county currently holds

00:59:59 Speaker 35: the approvals that I've just listed

01:00:01 Speaker 35: for eight of our nine member

01:00:02 Speaker 35: municipalities, all except for the City

01:00:04 Speaker 35: of Owen Sound, who retained those

01:00:06 Speaker 35: approvals when they rejoined the county

01:00:09 Speaker 35: after previously being a separated municipality.

01:00:12 Speaker 35: With respect to the above noted

01:00:13 Speaker 35: approvals, some of the approvals are

01:00:15 Speaker 35: currently done by County Committee of

01:00:17 Speaker 35: the Whole, so that would be

01:00:20 Speaker 35: things like draft approval of subdivision

01:00:23 Speaker 35: condominiums, versus other approvals are more

01:00:25 Speaker 35: administrative in nature, such. as condominium

01:00:27 Speaker 35: exemptions or part lock control, and

01:00:28 Speaker 35: those have been delegated to county

01:00:29 Speaker 35: staff. Regardless of whether or not

01:00:30 Speaker 35: it's committee, the whole making the

01:00:32 Speaker 35: approval or or county staff making

01:00:34 Speaker 35: the approval, none of these approvals

01:00:37 Speaker 35: are ever done without significant consultation

01:00:39 Speaker 35: with the host member municipality. So,

01:00:41 Speaker 35: regardless of of of who the

01:00:44 Speaker 35: person signing the letter or approving

01:00:46 Speaker 35: it is, it's always done in

01:00:49 Speaker 35: in discussion and in concert with

01:00:51 Speaker 35: with member municipalities. And so, just

01:00:54 Speaker 35: to to And so, just to

01:00:55 Speaker 35: loop back to the town of

01:00:57 Speaker 35: Blue Mountains in specifics, so county

01:01:00 Speaker 35: staff and town staff have met

01:01:01 Speaker 35: on a number of occasions, as

01:01:02 Speaker 35: I said, to discuss this process.

01:01:04 Speaker 35: I think staff are seeing eye

01:01:06 Speaker 35: to eye on what this process

01:01:08 Speaker 35: could look like moving forward, and

01:01:10 Speaker 35: we both agreed that a potential

01:01:12 Speaker 35: next step, subject to any feedback

01:01:14 Speaker 35: or support from county council today,

01:01:17 Speaker 35: would be the hosting of a

01:01:18 Speaker 35: joint public meeting. As council may

01:01:20 Speaker 35: recall, there was significant consultation done

01:01:22 Speaker 35: leading up to that 2022 report,

01:01:23 Speaker 35: both with the development industry and

01:01:25 Speaker 35: municipalities, with respect to what delegations

01:01:27 Speaker 35: could look like, but we didn't

01:01:28 Speaker 35: directly reach out to the public

01:01:29 Speaker 35: at that stage. So we thought

01:01:30 Speaker 35: a good next step could be

01:01:33 Speaker 35: a public meeting in that regard,

01:01:35 Speaker 35: where we could hear feedback and

01:01:37 Speaker 35: and such. Following that, staff would

01:01:39 Speaker 35: work together between the town and

01:01:40 Speaker 35: the county to look at what

01:01:41 Speaker 35: what a draft memorandum of understanding

01:01:43 Speaker 35: could look like to to share