Grey County County Council Meeting Transcript — November 27, 2025
Hook: Markdale Affordable Rental Surplus Land Plans
Grey County · County Council · November 27, 2025
Summary
Grey County Council convened its regular session, focusing on the adoption of previous meeting minutes and marking National Housing Day with a plan to utilise surplus lands in Markdale and Durham for affordable rentals through 2026. Staff presented updates on social finance innovations designed to address local income gaps between owner earners and tenant households without seeking explicit new funding commitments at this stage.
Top Newsworthy Developments
- Council Adopts LTCCRCM Minutes Regarding Director Updates, Operational Reports, and Proposed Budget: The Long-Term Care Committee of Management minutes dated November 12, 2025 were adopted as presented and endorsed by County Council following a presentation on legislative changes for resident support assistance personnel and the upcoming registration with HISCAPA.
- Youth Climate Action Conference Engages 125 Students in Planting 160 Trees: The fourth annual Youth Climate Action Conference in Owen Sound engaged 125 elementary students from 24 schools alongside educators and Indigenous leaders to foster sustainability leadership. Participants planted a mini forest of 160 trees and shrubs, while community mentors supported ongoing action projects that alleviate youth climate anxiety through tangible environmental stewardship.
- Housing Action Plan Update Covers Surplus Lands: Council received an update on the Gray County housing action plan, which was endorsed in August 2023 and includes ongoing work regarding surplus lands in Markdale and Durham through 2026.
- Income Gaps Between Owners and Renters Drive Urgent Need for Affordable Rental: Council staff highlighted that median household income in Gray County is approximately $78,000 annually for renters and owners combined, but owner incomes reach about $90,000 while tenant households face significantly lower earnings. The discussion emphasized the acute need for affordable rental housing because current costs exceed what many full-time workers can afford without assistance from emerging models like shared equity mortgages or pooled grants.
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1 Call to Order
Paul Mcqueen called to order this council meeting.
00:06:59 Speaker 02: call to order this council meeting
00:07:01 Speaker 02: of November twenty seventh, twenty twenty
00:07:03 Speaker 02: five. At this point in time,
00:07:05 Speaker 02: as you're able, please join us
00:07:06 Speaker 02: in the standing and singing of
00:07:08 Speaker 03: "O Canada." O Canada, our home
00:07:23 Speaker 04: and native land, true patriot love
00:07:30 Speaker 04: in all of us command. With
00:07:36 Speaker 05: glowing hearts, we sing. Hearts, we
00:07:39 Speaker 05: see thee rise, the true North,
00:07:43 Speaker 05: strong and free. From far and
00:07:48 Speaker 05: wide, O Canada, we stand on
00:07:53 Speaker 05: guard for thee. God keep our
00:07:59 Speaker 05: land, glorious and free. Oh, Canada,
00:08:06 Speaker 05: we stand on guard for thee.
3 Roll Call
Council members conducted a roll call to confirm attendance before Councillor Paul McQueen acknowledged the traditional territories of the Anishinaabeg Nation in south-eastern Ontario and expressed dedication to honouring Indigenous history.
00:08:14 Speaker 05: Thank you, Madam Clerk. Could you
00:08:29 Speaker 05: please conduct our roll call? Councillor
00:08:30 Speaker 05: Mackie, Councillor McKay, Councillor Carleton, Councillor
00:08:39 Speaker 06: Pringle, Councillor McQueen will be
00:08:42 Speaker 06: joining us in a minute. Councillor
00:08:45 Speaker 06: Nielsen, excited to be here. Councillor
00:08:48 Speaker 06: Patterson, Councillor Dickert, Councillor Kentner, Councillor
00:08:51 Speaker 06: Keaveny, Councillor Body, Councillor Greg,
00:08:56 Speaker 06: Councillor Milne. Present. Councillor Dobrine.
00:09:01 Speaker 06: Present. Gordon Matrasovs. Councillor Bourdignon.
00:09:05 Speaker 06: Present. Councillor Eccles. Councillor Hutchinson.
00:09:09 Speaker 06: Present. Do have all members
00:09:14 Speaker 07: in attendance today? Thank you. Excellent.
00:09:16 Speaker 02: Thank you. Let us begin by
00:09:20 Speaker 02: acknowledging with respect that we are
00:09:23 Speaker 02: gathered on the traditional territory of
00:09:25 Speaker 02: the Anishinaabeg Nation, the people of
00:09:27 Speaker 02: the Three Fires, known as the
00:09:29 Speaker 02: Ojibwe. Odawa, and Potawatomi nations, we
00:09:31 Speaker 02: give thanks to the Chippewas of
00:09:34 Speaker 02: Saugeen and the Chippewas of Nawash,
00:09:36 Speaker 02: known collectively as the Saugeen Ojibwe
00:09:38 Speaker 02: Nation, the traditional keepers of these
00:09:42 Speaker 02: lands and waters since time immemorial.
00:09:43 Speaker 02: In our south lies the traditional
00:09:47 Speaker 02: territories of the Six Nations of
00:09:49 Speaker 02: the Grand River and the Haudenosaunee.
00:09:50 Speaker 02: We are dedicated to honouring Indigenous
00:09:53 Speaker 02: history and culture, and committed to
00:09:55 Speaker 02: moving forward in the spirit of
00:09:57 Speaker 02: truth. reconciliation, and friendship with all
00:10:00 Speaker 02: First Nations, Métis, and Inuit peoples.
00:10:03 Speaker 02: So, on our county council agenda
5 Declaration of Interest
Council proceeded with item five regarding declarations of interest after observing that no members raised their hands.
00:10:12 Speaker 02: this morning, the next item is
00:10:13 Speaker 02: number five, which is any declarations
00:10:15 Speaker 02: of interest for this agenda for
00:10:17 Speaker 02: council. Looking to the screen, looking
00:10:19 Speaker 02: around the room, I see no
00:10:22 Speaker 02: hands up, so we will proceed.
00:10:23 Speaker 02: Next, we will move to the
6.a County Council and Committee of the Whole minutes dated November 13, 2025
Council adopted minutes for County Council, Committee of the Whole, and closed sessions dated November 13, 2025.
00:10:25 Speaker 02: adoption of the minutes. Item six
00:10:26 Speaker 02: a. It's. Item 6A. It's recommended
00:10:28 Speaker 02: that the minutes of County Council
00:10:29 Speaker 02: meeting and the Committee of the
00:10:31 Speaker 02: Whole meeting dated November 13, 2025,
00:10:33 Speaker 02: and the resolutions contained therein be
00:10:36 Speaker 02: adopted as presented. May I ask
00:10:38 Speaker 02: for a mover and a seconder?
00:10:39 Speaker 02: Moved by Councillor Kivney, and seconded
00:10:44 Speaker 02: by Councillor Eccles. Any discussion? Seeing
00:10:50 Speaker 02: no hands, then I'll call the
00:10:52 Speaker 02: vote. All those in favour? And
00:10:55 Speaker 02: that motion is carried. The next
00:10:58 Speaker 02: one is for closed sessions, so
00:10:59 Speaker 02: it's recommended that the closed session
00:11:01 Speaker 02: committee, the whole meeting minutes, dated
00:11:03 Speaker 02: November thirteenth, twenty twenty-five, be adopted
00:11:05 Speaker 02: as provided. May I ask for
00:11:07 Speaker 02: a mover and a seconder? Moved
00:11:08 Speaker 02: by Councillor Patterson, seconded by Councillor
00:11:10 Speaker 02: Do Green. Any discussion? Okay, seeing
00:11:16 Speaker 02: none, I'll call the question. All
00:11:17 Speaker 02: those in favour? And that motion
6.c Long-Term Care Committee of Management minutes dated November 12, 2025
The Long-Term Care Committee of Management minutes dated November 12, 2025 were adopted by County Council following presentations on legislative changes for resident support assistance personnel and upcoming HISCAPA registration.
00:11:21 Speaker 02: is carried. Item six C is
00:11:24 Speaker 02: our long-term. care committee of management,
00:11:26 Speaker 02: and it is recommended that the
00:11:28 Speaker 02: long-term care committee of management meeting
00:11:30 Speaker 02: minutes dated November twelfth, twenty twenty-five,
00:11:32 Speaker 02: be adopted as presented, and the
00:11:34 Speaker 02: following resolutions contained therein be endorsed:
00:11:36 Speaker 02: Number one, that the report LTCCRCM
00:11:38 Speaker 02: twenty four twenty five regarding a
00:11:41 Speaker 02: long-term care director update be received
00:11:43 Speaker 02: for information; Number two, that report
00:11:45 Speaker 02: LTCCRCM twenty five twenty five regarding
00:11:48 Speaker 02: long-term care operational report dated August
00:11:51 Speaker 02: fifteenth to October fourteenth. To October
00:11:54 Speaker 02: 14th be received for information, and
00:11:57 Speaker 02: third, that report LTCRCM 2625 regarding
00:12:01 Speaker 02: the proposed 2026 long-term care budget
00:12:04 Speaker 02: be received, and item four that
00:12:08 Speaker 02: 2020 the 2026 proposed long-term care
00:12:11 Speaker 02: budget be presented, be be forwarded
00:12:14 Speaker 02: to County Council as part of
00:12:15 Speaker 02: the overall corporate budget package
00:12:17 Speaker 02: for consideration. May ask for a
00:12:20 Speaker 02: mover. Moved by Councillor Patterson, seconded.
00:12:22 Speaker 02: by Councillor Mackie. Sorry, did I
00:12:25 Speaker 02: say Patterson? So, Carlton. Well, we'll
00:12:28 Speaker 02: go with the. That's right. One
00:12:29 Speaker 02: of the two suits. So we'll
00:12:30 Speaker 02: go with Councillor Carlton, Madam Clerk.
00:12:33 Speaker 02: That's right. At least I got
00:12:33 Speaker 02: the Mackie part right. So, and
00:12:36 Speaker 02: and Councillor Mackie have moved and
00:12:39 Speaker 02: seconded. So it's now on the
00:12:39 Speaker 02: floor for any discussion. And I
00:12:43 Speaker 02: believe Jennifer is is Director Cornell
00:12:45 Speaker 02: going to speak to anything, or
00:12:46 Speaker 02: just if there are questions? Oh,
00:12:50 Speaker 02: I'm sorry, Director Cornell. It's I.
00:12:51 Speaker 02: Director Carnell, it's it's going to
00:12:52 Speaker 02: be a bit of a challenge
00:12:54 Speaker 02: keeping track online this morning. Good
00:12:56 Speaker 02: morning, online, and the floor is
00:12:59 Speaker 08: yours. Great, thank you, Madam Warden,
00:13:01 Speaker 08: and good morning, County Council. I'll
00:13:04 Speaker 08: just give a high level update
00:13:06 Speaker 08: and summary of the meeting in
00:13:09 Speaker 08: the director's update report. We
00:13:11 Speaker 08: had some good discussion, particularly around
00:13:16 Speaker 08: legislative changes that are coming for
00:13:20 Speaker 08: resident support assistance or. resident support
00:13:22 Speaker 08: personnel, which we call care support
00:13:26 Speaker 08: assistance, and the PSW certification changes
00:13:30 Speaker 08: and the upcoming registration with HISCAPA,
00:13:33 Speaker 08: which is the short form for
00:13:34 Speaker 08: a very lengthy title on
00:13:38 Speaker 08: a regulatory authority for personal support
00:13:42 Speaker 08: workers. In the operating report, the
00:13:45 Speaker 08: the staff gave some
00:13:47 Speaker 08: highlights and information around ministry inspections.
00:13:49 Speaker 08: had a really good discussion and
00:13:51 Speaker 08: overview of the Lee Manor mock
00:13:55 Speaker 08: evacuation experience, and a bit of
00:13:57 Speaker 08: a shoutout and celebration of making
00:13:59 Speaker 08: the halfway mark in a three-year
00:14:02 Speaker 08: project in partnership with RNAO for
00:14:06 Speaker 08: the clinical pathway best practices. And
00:14:09 Speaker 08: then, as the warden indicated, the
00:14:11 Speaker 08: bulk of the meeting was spent
00:14:14 Speaker 08: discussing the proposed long-term care draft
00:14:17 Speaker 08: budget with. some really good discussion,
00:14:19 Speaker 08: and I'll leave it there. If
00:14:25 Speaker 09: there's any questions, okay. Thank you.
00:14:26 Speaker 09: I'll look to. I'm looking for
00:14:27 Speaker 09: it. I'll look for any virtual
00:14:29 Speaker 09: hands that get raised, and I'll
00:14:31 Speaker 09: look around the room. And I'm
00:14:32 Speaker 09: not seeing hands go up in
00:14:34 Speaker 09: either place, Director Furnell. So thank
00:14:35 Speaker 09: you very much for the extensive
00:14:37 Speaker 09: details that you provided. With that,
00:14:39 Speaker 09: I'll call the question. All those
00:14:41 Speaker 09: in favour? And that motion is
00:14:46 Speaker 09: carried. Thank you. Item seven: We
00:14:47 Speaker 09: do not have any closed meeting
00:14:49 Speaker 09: matters nor reports. In item eight,
00:14:50 Speaker 09: that allows us to go to
00:14:52 Speaker 09: the bylaws. It's recommended that
00:14:55 Speaker 09: bylaws fifty-two, fifty-seven, twenty-five,
00:14:58 Speaker 09: fifty-two, fifty-eight, twenty-five, fifty-two, fifty-nine,
00:15:01 Speaker 09: twenty-five, fifty-two, sixty, twenty-five, and fifty-two,
00:15:04 Speaker 09: sixty-one, twenty-five be introduced and taken
00:15:06 Speaker 09: as read first, second, and third
00:15:08 Speaker 09: time. Finally, passed, signed by the
00:15:09 Speaker 09: warden and clerk, with and and
00:15:11 Speaker 09: sealed with the seal of the
00:15:13 Speaker 09: corporation and engrossed into the bylaws.
00:15:15 Speaker 09: And engrossed into the bylaw book,
00:15:16 Speaker 09: the first one is a bylaw
00:15:18 Speaker 09: to authorise the execution of a
00:15:20 Speaker 09: memorandum of understanding between the Corporation
00:15:22 Speaker 09: of the County of Grey and
00:15:23 Speaker 09: the Municipality of Grey Highlands and
00:15:26 Speaker 09: Bright Shores Health System. The second
00:15:27 Speaker 09: is a bylaw for an agreement
00:15:29 Speaker 09: between the Federation of the Canadian
00:15:31 Speaker 09: Municipalities and Grey County through the
00:15:34 Speaker 09: Local Leadership for Climate Adaptation Programme,
00:15:36 Speaker 09: and the third one is a
00:15:37 Speaker 09: bylaw to authorise the Warden and
00:15:39 Speaker 09: Clerk to execute an agreement between
00:15:42 Speaker 09: the Lutheran Social Services and Lutheran
00:15:43 Speaker 09: Outreach Ministries. and the Corporation of
00:15:45 Speaker 09: the County of Grey for provision
00:15:49 Speaker 09: of funds through the Canada Ontario
00:15:51 Speaker 09: Community Housing Initiatives, and number five
00:15:54 Speaker 09: a bylaw to confirm number four
00:15:55 Speaker 09: a bylaw to confirm all actions
00:15:57 Speaker 09: and proceedings of Council, and fifth
00:16:01 Speaker 09: a bylaw to approve the delegation
00:16:02 Speaker 09: of duties policy. So with that,
00:16:06 Speaker 09: I'll look for a mover and
00:16:08 Speaker 09: a seconder. I see the Deputy
00:16:11 Speaker 09: Warden has moved, and Councillor Pringle
00:16:12 Speaker 09: has seconded. It's now on the
00:16:18 Speaker 09: floor for discussion. Any discussion? Yes,
00:16:22 Speaker 09: Councillor Eccles. Just one comment on
00:16:24 Speaker 10: the bylaw fifty two sixty one
00:16:30 Speaker 10: twenty five. The delegation of duties
00:16:34 Speaker 10: in the schedule. There's a lot
00:16:36 Speaker 10: in there. Did we haven't highlighted
00:16:41 Speaker 10: what are being added to, or
00:16:46 Speaker 10: is this all added to the
00:16:53 Speaker 10: delegation, delegating authority? Okay, I'll look
00:16:54 Speaker 11: to the clerk. Thank you, and
00:16:56 Speaker 11: through you, Madam Warden, it is
00:16:58 Speaker 11: a combination of our current delegation
00:17:00 Speaker 11: of duties bylaw and then some
00:17:02 Speaker 11: additional new pieces being incorporated in.
00:17:05 Speaker 11: So it's a bit of a
00:17:07 Speaker 11: a combination. The report that came
00:17:09 Speaker 11: at the last. meeting did highlight
00:17:10 Speaker 11: some of the major changes. It
00:17:12 Speaker 11: didn't. It didn't speak to all
00:17:14 Speaker 11: of them because many were housekeeping
00:17:16 Speaker 11: or administrative. But I can send
00:17:17 Speaker 11: that report out again if it's
00:17:19 Speaker 12: helpful, so you can see the
00:17:25 Speaker 12: the changes that were more significant.
00:17:27 Speaker 12: Okay. Thank you. Any other questions?
00:17:30 Speaker 13: Okay, I'll call the question. All
00:17:32 Speaker 13: those in favour? And that motion
00:17:36 Speaker 02: is carried. Thank you. That allows.
00:17:38 Speaker 02: us to move on to news
00:17:40 Speaker 02: and celebrations, and we have three
00:17:41 Speaker 02: three pieces of news to celebrate
00:17:43 Speaker 02: with staff. And so the first
00:17:45 Speaker 02: one, it's I'm going to call
00:17:48 Speaker 02: upon Director Kevin McNab of Paramedic
00:17:50 Speaker 14: Services, because we have some exciting
00:18:12 Speaker 15: presentations to make today. Good morning,
00:18:14 Speaker 15: Warden and County Council. Happy to
00:18:15 Speaker 15: be here today to celebrate with
00:18:18 Speaker 15: our Gray County paramedics for receiving
00:18:21 Speaker 15: their exemplary service medal. The exemplary,
00:18:24 Speaker 15: the Emergency Medical Services Exemplary
00:18:26 Speaker 15: Service Medal, created on July seventh,
00:18:28 Speaker 15: nineteen ninety-four, recognizes professionals in the
00:18:30 Speaker 15: provision of pre-hospital emergency medical services
00:18:32 Speaker 15: to the public who have performed
00:18:35 Speaker 15: their duties in an exemplary manner.
00:18:39 Speaker 15: characterized by good conduct, industry, and
00:18:40 Speaker 15: efficiency. Recipients must have been employed
00:18:42 Speaker 15: with emergency medical services on or
00:18:45 Speaker 15: after October 31, 1991, and have
00:18:47 Speaker 15: completed 20 years of exemplary service,
00:18:50 Speaker 15: including 10 years in which their
00:18:53 Speaker 15: performance of duties involved potential risk.
00:18:55 Speaker 15: To date, approximately 2,500 medals have
00:18:59 Speaker 15: been awarded to Ontario's over 9,000
00:19:01 Speaker 15: paramedics. This distinction is not
00:19:03 Speaker 15: simply a longevity of
00:19:06 Speaker 15: service. Simply longevity of service. It
00:19:08 Speaker 15: reflects exceptional commitment, professionalism, and meaningful
00:19:10 Speaker 15: contributions both in the workplace and
00:19:12 Speaker 15: within the community. So happy to
00:19:16 Speaker 15: be here with four of the
00:19:18 Speaker 15: recipients today. First, Paula Trombley, 20
00:19:22 Speaker 15: years of exemplary service. She works
00:19:24 Speaker 15: in Markdale. She's she's the co-chair
00:19:26 Speaker 15: of our Joint Health and Safety
00:19:29 Speaker 15: Committee. She's done a number of
00:19:33 Speaker 15: duties, CPAR supervisor through her years.
00:19:35 Speaker 15: So congratulations. to Paula, Joe Draper
00:19:36 Speaker 15: on the far right here. He's
00:19:38 Speaker 15: a supervisor with us. Works out
00:19:40 Speaker 15: of One Sound. Does a number
00:19:41 Speaker 15: of duties, but he does spend
00:19:44 Speaker 15: a lot of time coordinating our
00:19:47 Speaker 15: Honour Guard and all our special
00:19:49 Speaker 15: events. Jessica Rob, she's our Deputy
00:19:51 Speaker 15: Chief of Operations. She came to
00:19:54 Speaker 15: us and with Wellness and Support
00:19:56 Speaker 15: Deputy Chief, then developed a number
00:19:59 Speaker 15: of programmemes to support our paramedics
00:20:01 Speaker 15: within the service. And not able
00:20:03 Speaker 15: to join us today for 20
00:20:05 Speaker 15: years is Naomi Liverance. She's a
00:20:07 Speaker 15: full-time paramedic in Bruce County, part-time
00:20:11 Speaker 15: with us, and she's worked throughout
00:20:13 Speaker 15: the county on multiple different bases.
00:20:14 Speaker 15: And special honour here today doesn't
00:20:16 Speaker 15: often reach in this field. It
00:20:18 Speaker 15: is a difficult job, and to
00:20:20 Speaker 15: say we have somebody here that's
00:20:23 Speaker 15: worked 40 years in service deserves
00:20:25 Speaker 15: special recognition. Leo, he's worked in
00:20:27 Speaker 15: Bruce County and Gray for a
00:20:28 Speaker 15: number of years. He is retired,
00:20:30 Speaker 15: but. he still comes back and
00:20:32 Speaker 15: participates in our honour guard, and
00:20:35 Speaker 15: so happy to have Leo here.
00:20:36 Speaker 15: So thank you, Leo. So, wish
00:22:45 Speaker 16: congratulations to everybody, and so happy
00:23:30 Speaker 16: for their honour guard. Okay. For
00:23:31 Speaker 02: those of you that might not
00:23:33 Speaker 02: have heard, Leo of forty years
00:23:35 Speaker 02: service just shared that he started
00:23:36 Speaker 02: forty years ago as an ambulance
00:23:38 Speaker 02: driver and can't believe all the
00:23:39 Speaker 02: kinds of changes that have come
00:23:41 Speaker 02: today, and the kind of complexities
00:23:43 Speaker 02: that go with the role as
00:23:45 Speaker 02: you've developed and as you've seen
00:23:47 Speaker 02: your your whole work environment change.
00:23:49 Speaker 02: in order to be able to
00:23:51 Speaker 02: best deliver needs to the individuals
00:23:52 Speaker 02: who need you. So it is
00:23:53 Speaker 02: phenomenal, and we thank all of
00:23:55 Speaker 02: you for your 20 years and
00:23:57 Speaker 02: your 40 years service. And I
00:23:58 Speaker 02: will note too that there are
00:23:59 Speaker 02: family members here today that have
00:24:01 Speaker 02: come to celebrate you through the
00:24:04 Speaker 02: snow. That's wonderful to hear. We
00:24:05 Speaker 02: we're very appreciative that you've been
00:24:06 Speaker 02: able to take time out today
00:24:19 Speaker 17: to come to council and we
00:24:20 Speaker 17: celebrate your accomplishments. So, with that,
00:24:21 Speaker 02: we will move on to another
00:24:23 Speaker 02: piece of good news. We're going
00:24:24 Speaker 02: to step a little bit into
00:24:26 Speaker 02: the youth mode now. At this
00:24:28 Speaker 02: point in time, to talk about
00:24:30 Speaker 02: some up-and-coming leaders that we have
00:24:32 Speaker 02: entertained through the Youth Climate Action
00:24:35 Speaker 02: Conference. It was held again. It
00:24:36 Speaker 02: is such a tradition. I was
00:24:37 Speaker 02: so pleased to be able
00:24:40 Speaker 02: to be there in the morning.
00:24:43 Speaker 02: Fantastic, you know, fantastic introduction. The
00:24:46 Speaker 02: top-notch agenda programme. that was planned.
00:24:47 Speaker 02: These are grade five students that
00:24:49 Speaker 02: are coming from all over the
00:24:51 Speaker 02: county, coming from everywhere, from different
00:24:53 Speaker 02: schools, selected by their schools to
00:24:55 Speaker 02: come with their teachers and to
00:24:56 Speaker 02: participate and get to know others
00:24:58 Speaker 02: in other schools. Which I think
00:25:01 Speaker 02: is a fantastic. It's so nice
00:25:02 Speaker 02: when somebody's interested in something like
00:25:03 Speaker 02: climate change and what they can
00:25:04 Speaker 02: do to help and how they
00:25:06 Speaker 02: can be a young leader. It's
00:25:08 Speaker 02: so empowering for them to come
00:25:10 Speaker 02: to a room that is just
00:25:12 Speaker 02: full of young people their age,
00:25:14 Speaker 02: just like them. from right across
00:25:15 Speaker 02: the county who also want to
00:25:16 Speaker 02: do the same kind of thing.
00:25:18 Speaker 02: It was an incredible experience as
00:25:20 Speaker 02: well because for the first time,
00:25:22 Speaker 02: because of the Youth Climate Action
00:25:23 Speaker 02: Fund, we were able to have
00:25:25 Speaker 02: some young adult leaders too. So
00:25:26 Speaker 02: there were high school students there
00:25:28 Speaker 02: that had come for the day
00:25:29 Speaker 02: who might have actually been part
00:25:32 Speaker 02: of the programme earlier, but nonetheless
00:25:34 Speaker 02: had a passion from wherever they
00:25:35 Speaker 02: had started. I asked them. I
00:25:36 Speaker 02: had a lunch with them. They
00:25:37 Speaker 02: they they sat with me and
00:25:39 Speaker 02: had lunch, and I asked each
00:25:41 Speaker 02: each and every one of these
00:25:42 Speaker 02: young adult leaders. what it was
00:25:43 Speaker 02: that drew them to want to
00:25:46 Speaker 02: apply to be part of this
00:25:48 Speaker 02: programme, and every answer was different.
00:25:49 Speaker 02: It was everything from I used
00:25:51 Speaker 02: to help my grandmother with a
00:25:52 Speaker 02: you know planter garden, and so
00:25:54 Speaker 02: I thought a community garden would
00:25:56 Speaker 02: be a good idea. To I'm
00:25:57 Speaker 02: really worried about climate change, and
00:25:58 Speaker 02: I'm worried about what the planet's
00:25:59 Speaker 02: going to look like, and this
00:26:02 Speaker 02: was one way I could help.
00:26:04 Speaker 02: Every answer was was different about
00:26:05 Speaker 02: what what it was that drew
00:26:08 Speaker 02: them to be there, and what
00:26:09 Speaker 02: models those young adults are for
00:26:11 Speaker 02: those grade five. Are for those
00:26:13 Speaker 02: grade fives who are there, seeing
00:26:16 Speaker 02: that there is there is a
00:26:18 Speaker 02: way to participate and to do
00:26:20 Speaker 02: something together collectively. That of course
00:26:22 Speaker 02: doesn't happen without the true support
00:26:24 Speaker 02: and and dedication of the staff
00:26:26 Speaker 02: that we have with our sustainability
00:26:27 Speaker 02: staff here, as well as all
00:26:29 Speaker 02: the community partners. Definitely, I know
00:26:31 Speaker 02: when you speak, you're going to
00:26:33 Speaker 02: talk about all the other people
00:26:34 Speaker 02: involved that help make this happen
00:26:36 Speaker 02: each and every year. So with
00:26:37 Speaker 02: that, I would like to I
00:26:41 Speaker 02: would like to bring up Megan
00:26:42 Speaker 02: and Linda. if you would like
00:26:49 Speaker 02: to come and tell us a
00:26:51 Speaker 02: little bit more about the details
00:26:53 Speaker 02: about this year's event. Thank you,
00:26:56 Speaker 18: Warden Matrissovs. So, as the Warden
00:26:58 Speaker 18: shared, this was our fourth annual
00:27:01 Speaker 18: Youth Climate Action Conference. It was
00:27:04 Speaker 18: hosted in Owen Sound at the
00:27:06 Speaker 18: Bayshore Community Centre, but really was
00:27:08 Speaker 18: a cross-county event. We were
00:27:12 Speaker 18: lucky to host with. Hosted with
00:27:14 Speaker 18: a variety of partners, including the
00:27:16 Speaker 18: two school boards, along with various
00:27:16 Speaker 18: nonprofit organisations. I'm going to talk
00:27:18 Speaker 18: a little bit about the conference
00:27:20 Speaker 18: overall, and then Megan's going to
00:27:23 Speaker 18: tell you some of the specifics
00:27:25 Speaker 18: of the day. So, by the
00:27:28 Speaker 18: numbers, there were 24 schools from
00:27:30 Speaker 18: across Gray and Bruce who participated.
00:27:32 Speaker 18: Each school sent five elementary age
00:27:34 Speaker 18: students. They had to apply to
00:27:37 Speaker 18: attend. This is a hot ticket
00:27:41 Speaker 18: in the the elementary school. The
00:27:45 Speaker 18: elementary schools of our region, 125
00:27:46 Speaker 18: students, more than 125 students, joined
00:27:49 Speaker 18: us to really learn about sustainability,
00:27:52 Speaker 18: but also leadership. This really is
00:27:55 Speaker 18: a leadership development programme that uses
00:27:57 Speaker 18: sustainability, climate action, and environmentalism as
00:27:59 Speaker 18: the hook. There were 27 educators
00:28:00 Speaker 18: who also received a full day
00:28:02 Speaker 18: of professional development. So this is
00:28:04 Speaker 18: an opportunity for them to hone
00:28:06 Speaker 18: their skills, to learn about programmemes
00:28:08 Speaker 18: and supports available to that. And
00:28:11 Speaker 18: supports available to them to continue
00:28:14 Speaker 18: this kind of leadership and sustainability
00:28:15 Speaker 18: work in the classroom. That's supported
00:28:16 Speaker 18: by a national nonprofit called Learning
00:28:20 Speaker 18: for a Sustainable Future. As the
00:28:22 Speaker 18: warden mentioned, there were also some
00:28:24 Speaker 18: high school students there to act
00:28:26 Speaker 18: as role models. And this year,
00:28:28 Speaker 18: an overwhelming level of community support,
00:28:31 Speaker 18: with over fifty-four volunteers coming to
00:28:33 Speaker 18: spend the day, doing everything from
00:28:37 Speaker 18: handing out pizza to facilitating workshops
00:28:41 Speaker 18: on solar power. So, really, an
00:28:43 Speaker 18: opportunity. for for all ages to
00:28:46 Speaker 18: get involved in this work. The
00:28:49 Speaker 18: power of partnership. There's what happens
00:28:51 Speaker 18: in the day, which is really
00:28:53 Speaker 18: quite remarkable. But there's also the
00:28:55 Speaker 18: partnerships and the resource leveraging that
00:28:57 Speaker 18: this event catalyzes. There's over twenty
00:29:00 Speaker 18: one twenty one organisations working together
00:29:03 Speaker 18: on this. It started as a
00:29:04 Speaker 18: grassroots initiative from a local resident,
00:29:05 Speaker 18: and over the last three iterations,
00:29:08 Speaker 18: has. really grown to something that
00:29:10 Speaker 18: national organisations are holding up and
00:29:13 Speaker 18: saying this is our flagship event
00:29:16 Speaker 18: of the year. What is happening
00:29:19 Speaker 18: in Gray County is remarkable. There's
00:29:20 Speaker 18: over forty thousand dollars of external
00:29:24 Speaker 18: funding leveraged from a variety of
00:29:25 Speaker 18: funders and partners. And this year
00:29:27 Speaker 18: we also were very lucky to
00:29:28 Speaker 18: have a lot of engagement from
00:29:30 Speaker 18: Sogdian Ojibwe Nation. The day opened
00:29:32 Speaker 18: with the Sogdian Ojibwe Nation drummers
00:29:34 Speaker 18: and a land blessing, and then
00:29:36 Speaker 18: there were also remarks from the
00:29:38 Speaker 18: Saugyeen First Nation Chief Conrad Ritchie
00:29:41 Speaker 18: and the Acting Chief of the
00:29:42 Speaker 18: Chippewas and Naish, Jessica Keishing Martin.
00:29:43 Speaker 18: So, really trying to bring that
00:29:44 Speaker 18: Indigenous and reconciliation piece into sustainability
00:29:49 Speaker 18: as well. So, with that, I
00:29:51 Speaker 18: will hand things over to Megan
00:29:53 Speaker 18: to tell you a little bit
00:29:55 Speaker 19: more about the highlights. It's Linda.
00:29:57 Speaker 19: So, speaking of partnership, I just
00:29:59 Speaker 19: wanted to highlight a few kind
00:30:01 Speaker 19: of new and improved elements for
00:30:02 Speaker 19: the 2025 conference, and as a
00:30:04 Speaker 19: result. of some really great collabourations.
00:30:07 Speaker 19: So thanks to the city of
00:30:09 Speaker 19: Owensound, we had a perfect venue
00:30:11 Speaker 19: for the number of attendees that
00:30:13 Speaker 19: allowed for both indoor and outdoor
00:30:14 Speaker 19: sessions, and we had a beautiful
00:30:16 Speaker 19: day. Thanks to student feedback and
00:30:17 Speaker 19: through a youth advisory group, students
00:30:19 Speaker 19: actually joined sessions ahead of the
00:30:20 Speaker 19: conference to kind of give input
00:30:23 Speaker 19: on what worked well last year,
00:30:25 Speaker 19: and then we were able to
00:30:28 Speaker 19: incorporate that input this year to
00:30:30 Speaker 19: really make for really more engaging
00:30:32 Speaker 19: and relevant sessions. As Linda mentioned,
00:30:34 Speaker 19: thanks to so. To mention, thanks
00:30:37 Speaker 19: to Sauk Nation Environment Office staff,
00:30:39 Speaker 19: we were able to really get
00:30:40 Speaker 19: their input into the programmeming, which
00:30:42 Speaker 19: they described as kind of an
00:30:46 Speaker 19: unprecedented level of engagement. Thanks to
00:30:47 Speaker 19: our network of community volunteers, each
00:30:49 Speaker 19: school is matched with a community
00:30:51 Speaker 19: mentor to help support their action
00:30:52 Speaker 19: projects after the conference. And as
00:30:56 Speaker 19: Warda Matrasov mentioned, with a partnership
00:30:57 Speaker 19: with the Town of Blue Mountains
00:30:59 Speaker 19: Youth Climate Action Fund, we were
00:31:01 Speaker 19: able to bring those high school
00:31:02 Speaker 19: student leaders as well. Last year,
00:31:05 Speaker 19: many of the action projects were
00:31:07 Speaker 19: related to tree planting and naturalization.
00:31:09 Speaker 19: So we decided to have a
00:31:12 Speaker 19: dedicated workshop on how to plan,
00:31:14 Speaker 19: plant, and steward a planting project.
00:31:19 Speaker 19: And thanks to several partners and
00:31:20 Speaker 19: permission from the city, we planted
00:31:22 Speaker 19: a mini forest of 160 trees
00:31:23 Speaker 19: and shrubs on site between the
00:31:25 Speaker 19: Bayshore and the boat launch. Even
00:31:27 Speaker 19: more important than what happens at
00:31:30 Speaker 19: the conference is what happens after.
00:31:32 Speaker 19: So. the conference is really a
00:31:34 Speaker 19: launching point, giving the students the
00:31:37 Speaker 19: knowledge, skills, and inspiration to implement
00:31:40 Speaker 19: action projects in their schools and
00:31:41 Speaker 19: communities. We know that youth are
00:31:42 Speaker 19: experiencing quite a bit of climate
00:31:47 Speaker 19: anxiety, and we know that participating
00:31:49 Speaker 19: in these tangible action projects helps,
00:31:51 Speaker 19: and we can see that from
00:31:52 Speaker 19: the reports that we're getting back
00:31:54 Speaker 19: from their teachers following the projects.
00:31:56 Speaker 19: This past May, each school submitted
00:31:58 Speaker 19: a final report on their action.
00:32:00 Speaker 19: projects from last year. So although
00:32:03 Speaker 19: we don't have those reports yet
00:32:05 Speaker 19: for this year's conference, we have
00:32:06 Speaker 19: last year's numbers, and these numbers
00:32:08 Speaker 19: really demonstrate the ripple effect and
00:32:09 Speaker 19: are a testament to the impact.
00:32:11 Speaker 19: And now, with Rob's assistance, we're
00:33:25 Speaker 03: just going to share just a
00:33:28 Speaker 20: quick one-minute highlight reel just to
00:33:33 Speaker 20: give you a sense of the
00:33:34 Speaker 20: sense of the day. Thanks so
00:33:36 Speaker 20: much. Wonderful! I can see that
00:33:37 Speaker 20: video being an excellent tool for
00:33:42 Speaker 20: recruiting the next year. And with
00:33:45 Speaker 20: that, we also have some good
10.c National Housing Day
Council members celebrated National Housing Day by hosting hot chocolate stands at county buildings to raise awareness for safe and affordable housing across Canada. Staff presented updates on the Gray County housing action plan, which includes ongoing work regarding surplus lands in Markdale and Durham through 2026 while highlighting intent to build nonprofit sector capacity using a whole community approach. The presentation detailed social finance innovations such as community bond campaigns and revolving funds designed to provide seed funding for affordable rental initiatives despite income gaps between owners and renters.
00:33:48 Speaker 20: news also coming about National Housing
00:33:50 Speaker 20: Day. Into that, I will look
00:33:52 Speaker 21: to Director Shaw online. Good morning.
00:33:54 Speaker 21: Thank you. Good morning. Good morning.
00:33:56 Speaker 21: County Council. November twenty second was
00:33:58 Speaker 21: National Housing Day. It's a day
00:34:00 Speaker 21: dedicated to raising awareness about the
00:34:03 Speaker 21: importance of safe and affordable housing
00:34:05 Speaker 21: for all Canadians. It serves as
00:34:06 Speaker 21: a reminder of the ongoing housing
00:34:08 Speaker 21: crisis in Canada and the need
00:34:11 Speaker 21: for collabourative efforts to ensure that
00:34:13 Speaker 21: everyone has a place to call
00:34:16 Speaker 21: home. It is also time to
00:34:18 Speaker 21: reflect on what is being accomplished
00:34:20 Speaker 21: in our community and recognize the
00:34:22 Speaker 21: existing efforts for affordable housing and
00:34:25 Speaker 21: the people that. it it assists.
00:34:27 Speaker 21: In celebration, staff attended all of
00:34:28 Speaker 21: our buildings and set up hot
00:34:30 Speaker 21: chocolate stands for residents to enjoy
00:34:33 Speaker 21: and talk about what affordable housing
00:34:35 Speaker 21: means to them. I'd like to
00:34:37 Speaker 21: thank staff for all that they
00:34:44 Speaker 21: do every day to keep our
00:34:46 Speaker 21: buildings clean and safe, provide tenants
00:34:48 Speaker 02: with supports, keep our office running
00:34:50 Speaker 02: and inquiries answered, and provide services
00:34:51 Speaker 02: to people experiencing homelessness. Thank you.
00:34:55 Speaker 22: Okay, excellent. So with that, then
00:35:07 Speaker 14: that concludes the staff announcements that
00:35:10 Speaker 23: we have. So next, I'll look
00:35:12 Speaker 23: to county council members for any
00:35:13 Speaker 23: news they wish to share. We'll
00:35:15 Speaker 23: start with Councillor Kibney. Thank you,
00:35:18 Speaker 23: Warden Matroussov, and good morning, everyone.
00:35:20 Speaker 23: Next weekend. I know I've mentioned
00:35:23 Speaker 23: this before. Is our Christmas on
00:35:24 Speaker 23: the Bay from December fourth to
00:35:27 Speaker 23: the seventh, with our Kinsmen Santa
00:35:30 Speaker 23: Claus Parade on December the sixth,
00:35:32 Speaker 23: but and our Golden Aers Ladies
00:35:36 Speaker 23: Concert on the seventh at the
00:35:38 Speaker 23: United Church at two o'clock. But
00:35:41 Speaker 23: I also wanted to focus on
00:35:44 Speaker 23: Thursday. So next Thursday, December the
00:35:46 Speaker 23: fourth, is our second annual Spirit
00:35:48 Speaker 23: of Inclusion Concert. This one is
00:35:49 Speaker 23: entitled Joy and Harmony. Performers are
00:35:51 Speaker 23: coming from Reach, Events for Life,
00:35:54 Speaker 23: Dancing with Parkinson's, and the Roxy
00:35:55 Speaker 23: Star Company. And anyone who saw
00:35:58 Speaker 23: this last year, there wasn't a
00:36:00 Speaker 23: dry eye in the house. It
00:36:02 Speaker 23: was so touching. So I strongly
00:36:03 Speaker 23: encourage anyone who can to come
00:36:05 Speaker 23: and take in that concert. And
00:36:06 Speaker 23: also on the Sunday at Mifflin
00:36:09 Speaker 23: Hall, there's going to be a
00:36:10 Speaker 23: showing of One Magic Christmas, which
00:36:12 Speaker 23: is a movie that was filmed
00:36:14 Speaker 23: in Mifflin 40 years ago. So
00:36:16 Speaker 23: this is the 40th anniversary. and
00:36:17 Speaker 23: it was filmed in the old
00:36:23 Speaker 24: food land and the Bank of
00:36:27 Speaker 24: Montreal and so on in Nefford.
00:36:29 Speaker 25: So that's also a special event.
00:36:32 Speaker 25: So lots to do in Nefford
00:36:34 Speaker 25: next weekend. Thank you. Thank you.
00:36:36 Speaker 25: And other news. We'll go to
00:36:37 Speaker 25: Councillor Carleton. Thank you, Warden Matress
00:36:39 Speaker 25: House. Tomorrow night, Friday, November 28,
00:36:42 Speaker 25: starting at six o'clock at Shallow
00:36:43 Speaker 25: Lake Community Centre, is Sparkle and
00:36:46 Speaker 25: Skate. So. we have two large
00:36:48 Speaker 25: trees out front that will get
00:36:50 Speaker 25: lit up. There are vendors in
00:36:52 Speaker 25: the upstairs and from Georgian Bluffs,
00:36:54 Speaker 25: so there'll be lots of things
00:36:58 Speaker 25: on sale. There's the minor hockey
00:36:59 Speaker 25: has the food booth running, and
00:37:01 Speaker 25: there will be the opportunity to
00:37:03 Speaker 25: skate with your family. So that
00:37:04 Speaker 02: starts at six o'clock tomorrow night.
00:37:07 Speaker 02: Excellent, thank you. And I'll keep
00:37:09 Speaker 02: an eye out for any hands
00:37:10 Speaker 02: raised online. I'll just look to
00:37:17 Speaker 02: the those that are in person
00:37:19 Speaker 10: if they're. Those that are in
00:37:23 Speaker 10: person, if there are any other
00:37:26 Speaker 10: news to share, oh, we'll go
00:37:28 Speaker 10: to Councillor Eccles, and then I'll
00:37:29 Speaker 10: go to anyone online. There is
00:37:32 Speaker 10: numerous tree lightings in the municipality
00:37:33 Speaker 10: of West Grey, starting yes this
00:37:34 Speaker 10: weekend in Elmwood and Aiton. You
00:37:37 Speaker 10: may have to speed to
00:37:40 Speaker 10: get to both them. Ones at
00:37:44 Speaker 10: five thirty and ones at six
00:37:47 Speaker 10: o'clock. So depending on how quickly
00:37:50 Speaker 10: the light. Depending on how quick
00:37:55 Speaker 10: the lights get on, and you
00:38:02 Speaker 10: can get from Elmwood to Aiton
00:38:05 Speaker 10: in the following weekend. Following Thursday,
00:38:07 Speaker 10: December fourth is tree lighting in
00:38:09 Speaker 10: Durham, and then the Santa Claus
00:38:11 Speaker 10: parade is on Saturday afternoon, Saturday
00:38:15 Speaker 10: at noon, hosted by our firefighters,
00:38:17 Speaker 10: and then on Sunday, the evening.
00:38:21 Speaker 10: parade in Newstead, December the seventh.
00:38:22 Speaker 10: They have an evening parade, so
00:38:23 Speaker 10: all the lights are sparkling and
00:38:27 Speaker 10: whatnot. And then the tree lighting
00:38:28 Speaker 10: in front of the Newstead Community
00:38:29 Speaker 10: Centre after the parade. So, if
00:38:31 Speaker 10: you haven't got Christmased out, Miss
00:38:32 Speaker 10: Kevney and Neeford, come on down
00:38:35 Speaker 10: and share some time in West
00:38:38 Speaker 10: Grey as well, too. Thank you.
00:38:39 Speaker 26: And I think there'll be plenty
00:38:41 Speaker 26: of snow to share all the
00:38:42 Speaker 26: way around as. Know to share
00:38:44 Speaker 26: all the way around as well.
00:38:45 Speaker 26: So many choices. We'll go to
00:38:47 Speaker 26: I'll go online then. I'll go
00:38:48 Speaker 26: to Councillor Borden first, and then
00:38:51 Speaker 26: to Councillor Nielsen. Thank you, Madam
00:38:52 Speaker 26: Warden. Through you to County Council.
00:38:54 Speaker 26: If you feel like travelling just
00:38:55 Speaker 26: a further east, we have a
00:38:57 Speaker 26: couple events coming up for the
00:39:00 Speaker 26: first two weekends of December. Of
00:39:01 Speaker 26: course, we start with Clarksville. We
00:39:03 Speaker 26: have the Christmas stroll on Friday,
00:39:05 Speaker 26: December fifth, five to late, with
00:39:07 Speaker 26: the tree lighting at the Saint
00:39:09 Speaker 26: George's at eight thirty, and then
00:39:10 Speaker 26: the Christmas market the next day.
00:39:12 Speaker 26: The following week, we have our
00:39:14 Speaker 26: own warden acting as our mayor
00:39:16 Speaker 26: lighting the tree again at for
00:39:17 Speaker 26: old-fashioned Christmas in downtown Thornburg where
00:39:20 Speaker 26: we do close the street and
00:39:21 Speaker 26: have all the shops open and
00:39:22 Speaker 26: just it's a great family atmosphere
00:39:25 Speaker 26: to come out for that that's
00:39:28 Speaker 26: on the following Saturday and then
00:39:30 Speaker 26: I believe on the Sunday there
00:39:32 Speaker 27: is Christmas cheer at the local
00:39:34 Speaker 27: at the local Legion in downtown
00:39:36 Speaker 27: Clarksville so lots going on over
00:39:37 Speaker 27: the next couple of weeks as
00:39:39 Speaker 27: we build up to the holiday
00:39:41 Speaker 27: season thank you Councillor Nielsen. Thank
00:39:43 Speaker 27: you very much, Ward Matrosov. Just
00:39:45 Speaker 27: wanted a shout out to a
00:39:47 Speaker 27: local organisation in Grey Highlands, the
00:39:49 Speaker 27: Hanley Institute. Last Thursday, it was
00:39:50 Speaker 27: the recipient of the Peace Medal
00:39:52 Speaker 27: from the YMCA, and it was
00:39:54 Speaker 27: a a pleasure to be there
00:39:55 Speaker 27: in attendance as the Hanley Institute
00:39:56 Speaker 27: was awarded that. My children, my
00:40:00 Speaker 27: wife, and myself all, in some
00:40:01 Speaker 27: way or another, volunteer and participate
00:40:03 Speaker 27: with the Hanley Institute. It's a
00:40:05 Speaker 27: pleasure to have that organisation in
00:40:06 Speaker 27: Grey Highlands and in Flesherton servicing
00:40:10 Speaker 28: all the youth. So I just
00:40:13 Speaker 28: wanted to. Servicing all the youth,
00:40:15 Speaker 28: so I just want to give
00:40:17 Speaker 28: them a big shout out and
00:40:18 Speaker 28: a big hug. Thank you, and
00:40:20 Speaker 29: we'll go to the deputy warden.
00:40:23 Speaker 29: Thank you, Madam Warden, and I
00:40:27 Speaker 29: just wanted to relate that if
00:40:29 Speaker 29: you want to hear a reading
00:40:35 Speaker 29: of the Christmas Carol at the
00:40:39 Speaker 29: Egremont Optimist Club, with the readings
00:40:40 Speaker 29: will take place on the fifth
00:40:44 Speaker 29: and sixth of December. That's the
00:40:45 Speaker 29: Friday night and Saturday night. And
00:40:48 Speaker 29: if you want to hear a
00:40:49 Speaker 30: really good rendition of Jacob. Mole,
00:40:52 Speaker 30: you might want to come and
00:40:53 Speaker 30: watch because I'm going to be
00:40:55 Speaker 30: doing that part. Scrooge. Enough said.
00:40:57 Speaker 30: Thank you. Thank you. I'll cut
00:40:58 Speaker 30: your mic off at this point,
00:41:00 Speaker 30: and we'll go to we'll go
00:41:02 Speaker 30: to Councillor McQueen, and then back
00:41:06 Speaker 30: over to Councillor Carlton. Thank you,
00:41:08 Speaker 30: Madam Ward, and good morning, County
00:41:09 Speaker 30: Council. A couple Santa Claus. three
00:41:12 Speaker 30: Santa Claus parades going to be
00:41:16 Speaker 30: happening in Gray Highlands first Friday
00:41:17 Speaker 30: night, and in Markdale it's going
00:41:19 Speaker 30: to be an evening parade. It
00:41:23 Speaker 30: starts at six o'clock. St. Hampton
00:41:24 Speaker 30: is going to have their evening
00:41:28 Speaker 30: parade in Farmers Market, five thirty
00:41:29 Speaker 30: in St. Hampton, which is sort
00:41:30 Speaker 30: of a coalition between Gray Highlands
00:41:35 Speaker 25: and and Clearview, Gray and Simcoe
00:41:37 Speaker 25: getting together, and and ends up
00:41:38 Speaker 25: at the fire hall for hot
00:41:40 Speaker 25: chocolate and hot dogs, and then
00:41:42 Speaker 25: on. Sunday, the seventh of December,
00:41:44 Speaker 25: the Kinsmen and Feversham will be
00:41:48 Speaker 25: having their parade at ten o'clock.
00:41:50 Speaker 25: Well, lots of things. Lots of
00:41:52 Speaker 25: Santa Claus is being busy throughout
00:41:54 Speaker 25: Gray County. Thank you, Warden. I've
00:41:57 Speaker 25: realized that I missed two events
00:41:59 Speaker 25: that will take place before our
00:42:02 Speaker 25: next County Council meeting. So, December
00:42:04 Speaker 25: sixth, Cobble Beach has a tree
00:42:10 Speaker 25: lighting. They will have horse drawn
00:42:12 Speaker 25: rides, wagon rides, and hot chocolate
00:42:14 Speaker 25: on hand for every. Hot chocolate
00:42:15 Speaker 25: on hand for everyone, starting at
00:42:17 Speaker 02: six o'clock, I believe. And downtown
00:42:18 Speaker 02: Shallow Lake will have mingle and
00:42:20 Speaker 02: jingle with the residents and the
00:42:23 Speaker 02: businesses of Shallow Lake getting together,
00:42:27 Speaker 02: with Santa arriving later in the
00:42:28 Speaker 02: evening. So that'll be December sixth.
00:42:29 Speaker 02: Thank you. Anything else? Looks like
00:42:31 Speaker 02: we've got it all. Okay, so
00:42:47 Speaker 14: with that, then, in order to
00:42:49 Speaker 02: close off this meeting, then I'll
00:42:51 Speaker 02: make a call out for a
00:42:52 Speaker 02: motion to adjourn. may ask for
00:42:53 Speaker 02: a mover. Move by Councillor McQueen,
00:42:55 Speaker 02: seconder, seconded by Councillor Kevany. Any
00:42:58 Speaker 02: discussion? All those in favour? And
00:43:00 Speaker 02: that motion is carried. We'll give
00:43:04 Speaker 02: a moment to switch the technology
00:43:05 Speaker 02: over to Committee of the Whole.
00:43:08 Speaker 02: Okay, so I'd like to call
00:43:10 Speaker 02: to order this committee, the whole
00:43:11 Speaker 02: meeting of November twenty seventh, twenty
00:43:14 Speaker 02: twenty five. At this point in
00:43:15 Speaker 02: time, on this agenda, I'll put
00:43:18 Speaker 02: out a call for any declarations
00:43:20 Speaker 02: of interest. Seeing no hands in
00:43:23 Speaker 02: the chamber or online, we'll go
00:43:24 Speaker 02: to business arising for minutes. Seeing
00:43:29 Speaker 31: nothing, we'll go to. We do
00:43:34 Speaker 31: not have any delegations scheduled today,
00:43:41 Speaker 32: and next we will move on
00:43:45 Speaker 32: to item five, which is to
00:43:49 Speaker 32: determine any items for separate discussion.
00:43:51 Speaker 32: So, if we look at the
00:43:52 Speaker 32: consent agenda, we have four different
00:43:55 Speaker 32: reports listed under six. Are there
00:44:03 Speaker 33: any that Council Member, a Committee,
00:44:06 Speaker 33: the whole member would like to
00:44:09 Speaker 02: pull for separate discussion? Okay. Yes,
00:44:12 Speaker 02: Councillor McKay. Yeah, I wonder if
00:44:14 Speaker 02: we'd discuss more on six B.
00:44:16 Speaker 02: Six B is in Bob. D
00:44:18 Speaker 02: is in dog. Dog. Okay, David.
00:44:20 Speaker 02: Thank you. D is in David.
00:44:22 Speaker 02: Okay, so six D we will
00:44:24 Speaker 02: pull for separate discussion, and anything
00:44:26 Speaker 02: else. Okay, I'm not seeing any
00:44:28 Speaker 02: further hands in, so it is
00:44:30 Speaker 02: recommended. Item six is recommended that
00:44:31 Speaker 02: the following consentage items be consent.
00:44:33 Speaker 02: agenda items be received and that
00:44:37 Speaker 02: staff be authorised to take the
00:44:39 Speaker 02: actions necessary to give effect to
00:44:48 Speaker 02: the recommendations and staff reports and
00:44:50 Speaker 02: that the correspondence be supported and
00:44:52 Speaker 02: received for information as recommended in
00:44:54 Speaker 02: the consent agenda. This is for
00:44:57 Speaker 02: items six A, B, and
00:44:59 Speaker 02: C. D will be for further
00:45:03 Speaker 02: discussion. So may I ask for
00:45:05 Speaker 02: a mover? Move by Councillor Patterson,
00:45:07 Speaker 02: seconded by Councillor Dobrin. Any discussion?
00:45:10 Speaker 02: All those in favour? And that
00:45:11 Speaker 02: is carried. Okay, so we'll go
00:45:14 Speaker 02: to the items listed in seven
00:45:16 Speaker 02: before we return back to
00:45:19 Speaker 02: sixty. So we'll go to seven
00:45:22 Speaker 02: A. It's recommended that the Planning
00:45:24 Speaker 02: and Economic Development Advisory Committee meeting
00:45:26 Speaker 02: minutes, dated November sixth, twenty twenty
00:45:32 Speaker 02: six, twenty twenty five. That should
00:45:34 Speaker 02: be be adopted as presented and
00:45:35 Speaker 02: fall and the following resolutions there.
00:45:40 Speaker 02: And the following resolutions therein be
00:45:41 Speaker 02: endorsed. That the report E D
00:45:42 Speaker 02: T C P E D A
00:45:44 Speaker 02: C thirteen twenty five regarding the
00:45:46 Speaker 34: Economic Development Tourism and Cultural Culture
00:45:48 Speaker 34: Strategic Progress Report November twenty twenty
00:45:52 Speaker 34: five be received for information. May
00:45:54 Speaker 34: ask for a mover and a
00:45:56 Speaker 34: seconder. Moved by Councillor Patterson, seconded
00:45:57 Speaker 34: by seconded by Councillor Pringle. It's
00:45:59 Speaker 34: now on the floor for discussion.
00:46:01 Speaker 34: So I'll call up Director Myers.
00:46:02 Speaker 34: Thank you, through you, Madam Warden.
00:46:04 Speaker 34: I'm going to start us off,
00:46:06 Speaker 34: and then Scott is going to
00:46:10 Speaker 34: finish up with a conversation about
00:46:11 Speaker 34: Bill 60. I'm not touching that
00:46:13 Speaker 34: one. So we had another great
00:46:14 Speaker 34: Planning and Economic Development Committee meeting.
00:46:16 Speaker 34: It was really good, and I
00:46:19 Speaker 34: appreciate that it says 2026 in
00:46:21 Speaker 34: the minutes because I wrote this
00:46:23 Speaker 34: entire report as 2026 because we're
00:46:25 Speaker 34: so embedded in thinking of next
00:46:27 Speaker 34: year at this point in time.
00:46:28 Speaker 34: But this really was our final.
00:46:32 Speaker 34: report to PDAC on progress from
00:46:34 Speaker 34: 2025. There will be another
00:46:36 Speaker 34: annual report, so our
00:46:39 Speaker 34: second annual report will come
00:46:41 Speaker 34: to you in January, February of
00:46:45 Speaker 34: next year, to talk about everything
00:46:46 Speaker 34: from January through December. But this
00:46:47 Speaker 34: one goes from August to November,
00:46:49 Speaker 34: and it really was focused on
00:46:51 Speaker 34: our continued drive towards the progress
00:46:53 Speaker 34: around the theme of study in
00:46:55 Speaker 34: year two of master plan delivery.
00:46:56 Speaker 34: So since August, our team has
00:46:58 Speaker 34: been really focused on that. study
00:46:59 Speaker 34: theme: understanding consumer behaviour, evaluating site-specific
00:47:00 Speaker 34: readiness, analysing broader provincial/national trends, and
00:47:01 Speaker 34: trialing new programme offerings. We also
00:47:03 Speaker 34: talked a little bit about some
00:47:05 Speaker 34: of the lean work that our
00:47:07 Speaker 34: department has been doing, and we
00:47:10 Speaker 34: did our very first EDTC team
00:47:12 Speaker 34: building and development day, which we
00:47:13 Speaker 34: hosted as a grateful gathering. And
00:47:16 Speaker 34: we were on a bus and
00:47:17 Speaker 34: we toured South Grey. We will
00:47:19 Speaker 34: hit North Grey next year, but
00:47:21 Speaker 34: it was a really great opportunity
00:47:22 Speaker 34: to get out, get our feet
00:47:25 Speaker 34: on the ground, go see. all
00:47:26 Speaker 34: the different elements of our department
00:47:29 Speaker 34: as a broader team, and just
00:47:30 Speaker 34: celebrate together. So that was wonderful.
00:47:31 Speaker 34: We also did another training in
00:47:33 Speaker 34: November on Lean. So we've now
00:47:34 Speaker 34: done four different, I guess, buckets
00:47:35 Speaker 34: of Lean training, which we're getting
00:47:39 Speaker 34: more excited about every time we
00:47:41 Speaker 34: go down this path, and we're
00:47:43 Speaker 34: starting to use that work already,
00:47:44 Speaker 34: which is really exciting. So
00:47:46 Speaker 34: we did complete all of our
00:47:48 Speaker 34: job reviews and restructurings underway, so
00:47:50 Speaker 34: that we can achieve that highest
00:47:53 Speaker 34: and best value for human resources.
00:47:55 Speaker 34: and that's something that
00:47:57 Speaker 34: we talked about yesterday in the
00:47:59 Speaker 34: Budget and Finance Committee, and we'll
00:48:00 Speaker 34: talk about again when we go
00:48:01 Speaker 34: through budget in December. But the
00:48:03 Speaker 34: most notable improvements have been that
00:48:05 Speaker 34: we're really coming together to find
00:48:07 Speaker 34: more alignment right across the department,
00:48:08 Speaker 34: efficiencies, and cross departmental collabouration. So
00:48:10 Speaker 34: that's making the best time of
00:48:13 Speaker 34: our staff time and resources. In
00:48:15 Speaker 34: terms of priority one, leadership and
00:48:17 Speaker 34: collabouration, we hosted another successful Economic
00:48:18 Speaker 34: Development Leadership Forum. This was the
00:48:19 Speaker 34: largest one yet, the most. energy
00:48:21 Speaker 34: in the room. I'm still getting
00:48:23 Speaker 34: my voice back from yelling over
00:48:24 Speaker 34: that crowd of more than 90
00:48:25 Speaker 34: people who were very excited and
00:48:27 Speaker 34: engaged. So it's really nice to
00:48:28 Speaker 34: see this continue, the progress, continue
00:48:30 Speaker 34: the conversations, the education and training
00:48:32 Speaker 34: where we can all come together
00:48:33 Speaker 34: and share in that mindset to
00:48:37 Speaker 34: grow, to ask questions, and to
00:48:38 Speaker 34: not be afraid to challenge one
00:48:39 Speaker 34: another. I think that's a really
00:48:40 Speaker 34: positive thing coming out of these
00:48:43 Speaker 34: events, and the fact that they
00:48:45 Speaker 34: now include all of senior management
00:48:48 Speaker 34: teams as well from each municipality
00:48:49 Speaker 34: is important. So we're all speaking
00:48:50 Speaker 34: the same language because economic development
00:48:51 Speaker 34: doesn't stop at an economic development
00:48:53 Speaker 34: title; it hits every single one
00:48:54 Speaker 34: of us. The Team Gray MOU—that
00:48:58 Speaker 34: is a project that has been
00:49:00 Speaker 34: on my plate and that will
00:49:02 Speaker 34: be coming to you next month
00:49:03 Speaker 34: as well. That has gone through
00:49:04 Speaker 34: a lot of conversation with your
00:49:06 Speaker 34: CIOs, with your economic development staff,
00:49:07 Speaker 34: multiple rounds of engagement. So we
00:49:10 Speaker 34: think that we're at a point
00:49:11 Speaker 34: now where we've got a good
00:49:14 Speaker 34: draft to bring forward and present
00:49:15 Speaker 34: to you, and that really is
00:49:17 Speaker 34: meant to kind of hone. our
00:49:19 Speaker 34: skill of working collabouratively, and so
00:49:21 Speaker 34: put something on paper that gives
00:49:23 Speaker 34: us a commitment as the county
00:49:24 Speaker 34: to each of your municipalities and
00:49:27 Speaker 34: your municipalities to the county, and
00:49:28 Speaker 34: how we're going to do economic
00:49:30 Speaker 34: development and investment readiness together. So
00:49:32 Speaker 34: there will be a fulsome report
00:49:34 Speaker 34: coming forward in a couple weeks.
00:49:35 Speaker 34: We looked at business retention and
00:49:36 Speaker 34: expansion, talked about sector scans and
00:49:37 Speaker 34: the ongoing uncertainty around tariffs, how
00:49:40 Speaker 34: difficult that is on our businesses.
00:49:42 Speaker 34: The one thing that we will
00:49:43 Speaker 34: highlight, and we did talk about
00:49:45 Speaker 34: it then. we're not hearing the
00:49:46 Speaker 34: same kind of impact as
00:49:49 Speaker 34: other areas because we are a
00:49:51 Speaker 34: diversified economy. That is something that
00:49:53 Speaker 34: all of our teams, locally in
00:49:55 Speaker 34: your municipalities and at the county,
00:49:57 Speaker 34: have strived for to make sure
00:49:59 Speaker 34: we don't have all of our
00:50:01 Speaker 34: eggs in one bucket. So
00:50:03 Speaker 34: even though there is absolutely uncertainty
00:50:05 Speaker 34: out there, we just want to
00:50:07 Speaker 34: know where is it going to
00:50:09 Speaker 34: land so that people can make
00:50:11 Speaker 34: decisions, those long-term investment decisions, hiring
00:50:13 Speaker 34: decisions around workforce, all of those
00:50:16 Speaker 34: pieces. That's where we're seeing the
00:50:17 Speaker 34: greatest uncertainty for tariffs. Our work
00:50:19 Speaker 34: with Georgian College is continuing. We
00:50:22 Speaker 34: had a great experience at
00:50:24 Speaker 34: AMO. I think that really landed
00:50:25 Speaker 34: well with the Ministry of Colleges,
00:50:27 Speaker 34: Universities, Research Excellence, and Security. It's
00:50:30 Speaker 34: a long name for Ministry, but
00:50:32 Speaker 34: they absolutely understand where we're coming
00:50:36 Speaker 34: from, the importance of our rural-serving
00:50:38 Speaker 34: campuses, and what that means for
00:50:39 Speaker 34: the region when we have really,
00:50:41 Speaker 34: truly fine-tuned exactly what programmemes are
00:50:44 Speaker 34: going to be delivered because that's
00:50:45 Speaker 34: what's needed here in this region.
00:50:48 Speaker 34: From the business. Enterprise Centre, Courtney
00:50:50 Speaker 34: provided a presentation on the work
00:50:51 Speaker 34: to date and talked about the
00:50:54 Speaker 34: trends that we're seeing in those
00:50:55 Speaker 34: couple of months. She had 134
00:50:57 Speaker 34: inquiries, 44 consultations were conducted. There
00:50:59 Speaker 34: were many workshops. There's a lot
00:51:01 Speaker 34: going on in the small business
00:51:04 Speaker 34: world. There's a lot of interest.
00:51:07 Speaker 34: It absolutely ebbs and flows, and
00:51:08 Speaker 34: there seems to be a trend
00:51:09 Speaker 34: now going towards that—not necessarily a
00:51:11 Speaker 34: second career, but what can you
00:51:13 Speaker 34: do on the side, a side
00:51:15 Speaker 34: hustle? As the economy tightens, that
00:51:18 Speaker 34: has been where we have seen
00:51:20 Speaker 34: some shifts happening. But the interest
00:51:22 Speaker 34: does not stop, and bricks and
00:51:23 Speaker 34: mortar again is becoming more popular.
00:51:24 Speaker 34: So that is a positive. With
00:51:26 Speaker 34: Sydney Campus, we hired or we
00:51:27 Speaker 34: highlighted that we had in the
00:51:29 Speaker 34: month of September more than four
00:51:30 Speaker 34: thousand people came through that door.
00:51:33 Speaker 34: So it is going very very
00:51:35 Speaker 34: well. A couple of large scale
00:51:36 Speaker 34: events. There were eighty rentals during
00:51:37 Speaker 34: that period, and. the maker space
00:51:38 Speaker 34: has also exceeded 100 members. So
00:51:39 Speaker 34: that was the goal when they
00:51:42 Speaker 34: launched. Within the first year, it
00:51:43 Speaker 34: was a year and I think
00:51:45 Speaker 34: two months, and they made it
00:51:47 Speaker 34: to 100 members, which is phenomenal.
00:51:49 Speaker 34: So we're very proud of the
00:51:50 Speaker 34: work they're doing. Kalina also took
00:51:51 Speaker 34: us through a long conversation about
00:51:54 Speaker 34: data because that was a question
00:51:56 Speaker 34: that we had at the last
00:51:58 Speaker 34: PDC meeting. So we came back
00:52:01 Speaker 34: with something a little bit more
00:52:03 Speaker 34: fulsome to talk about where are
00:52:04 Speaker 34: we focusing on in terms of
00:52:06 Speaker 34: those KPIs? Because really, at the
00:52:07 Speaker 34: end of the day, we have
00:52:09 Speaker 34: the opportunity to decide what do
00:52:11 Speaker 34: we want to track, what actually
00:52:13 Speaker 34: matters to us in the work
00:52:15 Speaker 34: that we're trying to advance, and
00:52:17 Speaker 34: the focus around those KPIs was
00:52:19 Speaker 34: website engagement, brand awareness, visitor and
00:52:21 Speaker 34: business support, and the storytelling impact.
00:52:23 Speaker 34: So there's lots pages of details
00:52:25 Speaker 34: if you want in the report
00:52:26 Speaker 34: that you can take a look
00:52:28 Speaker 34: at. But all that to say,
00:52:29 Speaker 34: we've definitely seen dips in some
00:52:32 Speaker 34: areas because we're trialing new things.
00:52:34 Speaker 34: We've seen incredible and explosive growth
00:52:37 Speaker 34: in others. So that's why we
00:52:39 Speaker 34: continue to study and. understand what
00:52:40 Speaker 34: is going to land. We also
00:52:43 Speaker 34: shared the new look of the
00:52:45 Speaker 34: Visit Gray website, which is very
00:52:47 Speaker 34: exciting. It's been ten years that
00:52:49 Speaker 34: we've had the same Visit Gray
00:52:51 Speaker 34: website, the same brand. We thought
00:52:52 Speaker 34: it was time for a refresh.
00:52:54 Speaker 34: So Gather is now the new
00:52:55 Speaker 34: look and feel of Visit Gray
00:52:57 Speaker 34: as a whole. And finally, turning
00:52:59 Speaker 34: to Gray Roots, we talked about
00:53:01 Speaker 34: leadership and collabouration in terms of
00:53:03 Speaker 34: the expert stewards. We have officially
00:53:04 Speaker 34: officially launched the Gray Gallery. which
00:53:06 Speaker 34: has been years in the making.
00:53:08 Speaker 34: We received over three hundred and
00:53:10 Speaker 34: fifty-five thousand dollars in federal support
00:53:12 Speaker 34: to make that project happen. We
00:53:14 Speaker 34: have set ourselves up for the
00:53:15 Speaker 34: long term. The way that it
00:53:16 Speaker 34: has been designed gives us the
00:53:17 Speaker 34: ability to change the look, the
00:53:20 Speaker 34: field, the design, the size, and
00:53:21 Speaker 34: scope without having to rebuild anything.
00:53:22 Speaker 34: So that's what we were looking
00:53:25 Speaker 34: for: was a sustainable build. And
00:53:27 Speaker 34: what that did was transition us
00:53:29 Speaker 34: from the old Gray Gallery had
00:53:31 Speaker 34: ninety-four artifacts. Now we have three
00:53:33 Speaker 34: hundred and four artifacts. in there.
00:53:34 Speaker 34: So the intent is to get
00:53:36 Speaker 34: more out to the public instead
00:53:38 Speaker 34: of having it in the back
00:53:41 Speaker 34: of the house where it's being
00:53:42 Speaker 34: protected. But now it can be
00:53:44 Speaker 34: a story around it, and we
00:53:46 Speaker 34: can learn more about Gray. We
00:53:50 Speaker 34: also talked about the partnership with
00:53:52 Speaker 34: the corporation as a whole and
00:53:54 Speaker 34: hosting the very first Truth and
00:53:55 Speaker 34: Reconciliation Day for staff at Gray
00:53:59 Speaker 34: Roots, which was phenomenal, and we
00:54:04 Speaker 34: look forward to building on that
00:54:06 Speaker 34: event as we go forward. And
00:54:09 Speaker 34: then just the highlight around that
00:54:10 Speaker 34: Lean project. that we did in
00:54:11 Speaker 34: the summer for the village and
00:54:13 Speaker 34: the volunteer impact we had over
00:54:15 Speaker 34: 1,100 hours, so 360 volunteer shifts
00:54:17 Speaker 34: over the course of the summer,
00:54:18 Speaker 34: which was averaging 40 shifts per
00:54:20 Speaker 34: week. And the visitation impact we
00:54:21 Speaker 34: had more than 9,200 visitors through
00:54:23 Speaker 34: Morriston, and 5,414 visitors participated in
00:54:25 Speaker 34: the engagement activities. More than half
00:54:26 Speaker 34: of them actually hands-on, so we
00:54:28 Speaker 34: we know that we've hit the
00:54:30 Speaker 34: mark and we. look forward to
00:54:32 Speaker 34: continuing that next year. So, as
00:54:35 Speaker 34: we continue to prioritize our programmeming
00:54:36 Speaker 34: and operations review, we're looking at
00:54:38 Speaker 34: how we do exhibits. We're looking
00:54:39 Speaker 34: at how we do events to
00:54:40 Speaker 34: make sure that we are doing
00:54:51 Speaker 35: the best that we can with
00:54:53 Speaker 35: fewer resources, because we don't always
00:54:56 Speaker 36: need to go big to have
00:54:57 Speaker 36: a good impact. So that has
00:54:58 Speaker 36: been a real shift, and a
00:54:59 Speaker 36: great roundtable to end out that
00:55:01 Speaker 36: meeting, listening to success stories from
00:55:03 Speaker 36: Georgian College and from others, and
00:55:05 Speaker 36: just sharing initiatives for awareness. So
00:55:07 Speaker 36: I will. end it there and
00:55:09 Speaker 36: turn it over to Scott to
00:55:11 Speaker 36: talk about Bill 60. All right,
00:55:13 Speaker 36: thanks, Savannah. Good morning, Ward Matrosa,
00:55:15 Speaker 36: and members of Council. I realize
00:55:17 Speaker 36: Council has stopped believing me when
00:55:19 Speaker 36: I say this, but I promise
00:55:21 Speaker 36: I will keep this one brief.
00:55:23 Speaker 36: I mean it this time. So
00:55:26 Speaker 36: at PDAC, we did have the
00:55:28 Speaker 36: the Bill 60 presentation, which touched
00:55:30 Speaker 36: on the potential changes, both. in
00:55:31 Speaker 36: the planning sphere, the transportation sphere,
00:55:32 Speaker 36: and the housing sphere, council should
00:55:33 Speaker 36: be well aware of this because
00:55:35 Speaker 36: we had a similar presentation on
00:55:37 Speaker 36: November the 13th at the committee
00:55:39 Speaker 36: of the whole meeting, and and
00:55:40 Speaker 36: just as a bit of an
00:55:42 Speaker 36: update on Bill 60 on November
00:55:43 Speaker 36: 24th, so Monday of this week,
00:55:46 Speaker 36: the the province Bill 60 did
00:55:47 Speaker 36: receive third reading. So we haven't
00:55:48 Speaker 36: been able to find a final
00:55:50 Speaker 36: version of the bill yet to
00:55:52 Speaker 36: see if there was anything that
00:55:53 Speaker 36: was changed from from the initial
00:55:56 Speaker 36: draft that was released. but we
00:55:57 Speaker 36: are actively monitoring that. As you
00:56:01 Speaker 36: may be aware, if you were
00:56:02 Speaker 36: scanning your inboxes late Saturday afternoon,
00:56:04 Speaker 36: the county was able to submit
00:56:06 Speaker 36: comments. So thank you for council
00:56:08 Speaker 36: support in in submitting comments to
00:56:10 Speaker 36: the province in that regard. And
00:56:11 Speaker 36: and some of the comments we
00:56:12 Speaker 36: submitted were on the legislative changes
00:56:14 Speaker 36: in Bill sixty itself, and some
00:56:15 Speaker 36: of the comments were on some
00:56:20 Speaker 36: other related consultations. For so for
00:56:24 Speaker 36: some of those related consultations, there
00:56:26 Speaker 36: may still be avenues to to
00:56:27 Speaker 36: go back and forth with the
00:56:29 Speaker 02: province and and put forward. Gray's
00:56:31 Speaker 02: point of view there with respect
00:56:33 Speaker 02: to those potential impacts, both positive
00:56:34 Speaker 02: and potentially negative, on the county
00:56:41 Speaker 02: and the member municipalities. So, with
00:56:42 Speaker 02: that, turn it back to you,
00:56:45 Speaker 02: Madam Warden, and be happy to
00:56:48 Speaker 02: take any questions if there are
00:56:49 Speaker 02: any. Okay, I'll look online, and
00:56:51 Speaker 02: I will look over here, and
00:56:53 Speaker 02: I'm actually not seeing questions come
00:56:56 Speaker 02: forward. So, thank you very much
00:56:58 Speaker 02: for providing that information. It has
00:57:00 Speaker 02: been moved and seconded. We've also
00:57:03 Speaker 02: heard further verbal updates. So I'll
00:57:06 Speaker 02: call the question. All those in
00:57:07 Speaker 02: favour? And that motion is carried.
00:57:09 Speaker 02: Next, we'll move on to item
00:57:12 Speaker 02: seven B. It's recommended that report
00:57:14 Speaker 02: PDRCW sixty four twenty five is
00:57:21 Speaker 02: received, and that a copy of
00:57:24 Speaker 37: this report be shared to the
00:57:25 Speaker 37: member municipalities within Gray County, and
00:57:48 Speaker 37: with MPs MPPs for Gray Bruce
00:57:51 Speaker 38: Owen Sound and Simcoe Gray for
00:57:54 Speaker 38: information purposes. May I ask for
00:57:55 Speaker 38: a mover and a seconder? Move
00:57:56 Speaker 38: by Councillor Nielsen, and seconded by
00:57:57 Speaker 38: Councillor Dobrin. It's now on the
00:57:59 Speaker 38: floor for discussion. And with that,
00:58:02 Speaker 38: then I will invite our senior
00:58:04 Speaker 38: policy planner, Liz Buxton, to come
00:58:06 Speaker 38: speak to it. Wonderful. Thank you
00:58:09 Speaker 38: very much. Welcome to be here
00:58:10 Speaker 38: today. We'll just be to get
00:58:13 Speaker 38: the presentation ordered there. Thank you
00:58:15 Speaker 38: very much. Okay, minor technical difficulties,
00:58:16 Speaker 38: but we're on. We're ready to
00:58:19 Speaker 38: go. So thank you so much.
00:58:20 Speaker 38: Really glad to be here today.
00:58:23 Speaker 38: A little bit of a snowy
00:58:24 Speaker 38: day, but glad to make. the
00:58:26 Speaker 38: the trip over from from Aitford,
00:58:28 Speaker 38: where where I am, and my
00:58:30 Speaker 38: neighbour, Councillor Kentner, has also made
00:58:31 Speaker 38: the trip. So that's good; we're
00:58:33 Speaker 38: in sync. So today, I just
00:58:38 Speaker 38: i I wanted to speak through
00:58:41 Speaker 38: the report that has been shared
00:58:43 Speaker 38: within the package. This does offer
00:58:47 Speaker 38: an update regarding the housing action
00:58:48 Speaker 38: plan and various actions that have
00:58:49 Speaker 38: been happening under that portfolio over
00:58:51 Speaker 38: the past year. And just for
00:58:54 Speaker 38: reference, here have noted the recommendation
00:58:55 Speaker 38: of that report with. Of that
00:58:57 Speaker 38: report, which is that be received
00:58:59 Speaker 38: for information, and as noted, that
00:59:01 Speaker 38: we will share that on to
00:59:05 Speaker 38: the member municipalities and the MPs
00:59:07 Speaker 38: and MPPs for their information as
00:59:08 Speaker 38: well. So my presentation will follow
00:59:10 Speaker 38: fairly closely in terms of the
00:59:12 Speaker 38: structure of the report. And firstly,
00:59:15 Speaker 38: I guess what I just wanted
00:59:17 Speaker 38: to offer is just a little
00:59:18 Speaker 38: bit of background information to to
00:59:19 Speaker 38: see how we got here. So
00:59:22 Speaker 38: that housing action plan of the
00:59:25 Speaker 38: county was. The housing action plan
00:59:27 Speaker 38: of the county was endorsed by
00:59:29 Speaker 38: county council in August of 2023.
00:59:32 Speaker 38: There has been ongoing action by
00:59:34 Speaker 38: both county and local staff on
00:59:36 Speaker 38: that variety of actions since that
00:59:37 Speaker 38: time, and an update report was
00:59:38 Speaker 38: offered in October of 2024. So
00:59:40 Speaker 38: last fall, in that regard, and
00:59:42 Speaker 38: I would just further identify here
00:59:46 Speaker 38: for those that may not be
00:59:49 Speaker 38: familiar, we did also have a
00:59:50 Speaker 38: report just back in September relating
00:59:53 Speaker 38: to some of the elements under
00:59:55 Speaker 38: the housing action plan relating to
00:59:57 Speaker 38: surplus lands. and so the report
01:00:00 Speaker 38: offered within the package. It's not
01:00:03 Speaker 38: a fulsome, comprehensive report. We are
01:00:05 Speaker 38: looking at certain elements, and so
01:00:06 Speaker 38: I just suggest within and here
01:00:08 Speaker 38: as well that to get that
01:00:10 Speaker 38: most fulsome picture of all of
01:00:12 Speaker 38: the various elements of work underway,
01:00:14 Speaker 38: I would refer the reader to
01:00:17 Speaker 38: to those other reports that are
01:00:19 Speaker 38: linked as well. So within the
01:00:22 Speaker 38: report offered within the package, we
01:00:24 Speaker 38: have split that out into two
01:00:25 Speaker 38: sections, roughly in half. So the
01:00:29 Speaker 38: first focus of the first half
01:00:33 Speaker 38: of the report is regarding some
01:00:34 Speaker 38: select ongoing items that we've highlighted
01:00:36 Speaker 38: for an update. The second half
01:00:38 Speaker 38: that report speaks to some of
01:00:40 Speaker 38: the more abstract actions that are
01:00:41 Speaker 38: identified within the Housing Action Plan.
01:00:43 Speaker 38: So they're not quite as concrete
01:00:44 Speaker 38: in terms of the specific things
01:00:45 Speaker 38: to be done, and those relate
01:00:49 Speaker 38: to nonprofit sector capacity building as
01:00:50 Speaker 38: well as exploration of innovative financial
01:00:52 Speaker 38: tools. and so I think with
01:00:55 Speaker 38: planning, we're always kind of living
01:00:58 Speaker 38: in two time spaces. So we're
01:01:01 Speaker 38: we're we're in the current moment,
01:01:02 Speaker 38: delivering tasks and actions, and we're
01:01:03 Speaker 38: also have an eye ahead to
01:01:04 Speaker 38: the future and and what opportunities
01:01:08 Speaker 38: might be there and how we
01:01:11 Speaker 38: position ourselves for those. So these
01:01:12 Speaker 38: two sections of the report speak
01:01:14 Speaker 38: a little bit along those lines.
01:01:18 Speaker 38: So what's going on now, and
01:01:20 Speaker 38: where do we see us going
01:01:22 Speaker 38: in the future potentially as well?
01:01:23 Speaker 38: And I guess what I would
01:01:26 Speaker 38: further say is just around that
01:01:28 Speaker 38: abstract piece. You know, I think
01:01:30 Speaker 38: what is abstract today potentially is
01:01:32 Speaker 38: what is foundational tomorrow. So, you
01:01:35 Speaker 38: know, I do think this is
01:01:36 Speaker 38: important work, and I'm really excited
01:01:37 Speaker 38: to get to talk about some
01:01:38 Speaker 38: of it today. So, in that
01:01:42 Speaker 38: first half of the report, I've
01:01:44 Speaker 38: just really provided a brief update
01:01:47 Speaker 38: regarding each of the sections we
01:01:48 Speaker 38: spoke to. So, firstly, 1.1 regarding
01:01:49 Speaker 38: surplus lands. staff just offered that
01:01:51 Speaker 38: that prior report has been brought
01:01:53 Speaker 38: forward. If you recall, that report
01:01:55 Speaker 38: was relating to some potentially surplus
01:01:58 Speaker 38: properties that the county owns in
01:01:59 Speaker 38: Markdale and in Durham, and some
01:02:01 Speaker 38: ongoing work that we hope
01:02:03 Speaker 38: to do continuing into twenty twenty
01:02:07 Speaker 38: six for those lands. So we
01:02:09 Speaker 38: have linked that report for
01:02:11 Speaker 38: reference. If anyone would like a
01:02:14 Speaker 38: bit of a refresher on that
01:02:16 Speaker 38: one, with respect to item one
01:02:18 Speaker 38: point two, so enhanced data collection
01:02:19 Speaker 38: and sharing, it's a little square
01:02:23 Speaker 38: on the slide, but it's actually
01:02:24 Speaker 38: a whole heck of a lot
01:02:26 Speaker 38: worth that goes in behind that.
01:02:29 Speaker 38: So, what we've highlighted there is
01:02:30 Speaker 38: that there is an in-process growth
01:02:33 Speaker 38: management strategy underway, and I think
01:02:36 Speaker 38: Scott and I will likely be
01:02:39 Speaker 38: back to next council to provide
01:02:41 Speaker 38: some additional information regarding that process.
01:02:43 Speaker 38: But that is through that process,
01:02:45 Speaker 38: we will be developing updated population,
01:02:46 Speaker 38: household, and employment forecast figures for
01:02:47 Speaker 38: the county through 2051, and. 51,
01:02:50 Speaker 38: and that underpins a lot of
01:02:51 Speaker 38: our long-term planning and municipal planning
01:02:53 Speaker 38: and infrastructure planning. So
01:02:55 Speaker 38: that's an important process. Following that,
01:02:58 Speaker 38: the intention is to complete a
01:03:00 Speaker 38: housing need assessment on a regional
01:03:03 Speaker 38: basis. So looking and pulling from
01:03:05 Speaker 38: some of the data from the
01:03:06 Speaker 38: growth management around unit demand, taking
01:03:08 Speaker 38: stock of existing housing resources that
01:03:10 Speaker 38: are available, and doing some gap
01:03:12 Speaker 38: analysis around what additional built form
01:03:13 Speaker 38: housing might be needed for the
01:03:16 Speaker 38: go forward. To go forward, and
01:03:18 Speaker 38: data collection has begun on that,
01:03:22 Speaker 38: and we speak to that a
01:03:24 Speaker 38: little bit in the reports from
01:03:26 Speaker 38: the initial gathering that's happened. And
01:03:28 Speaker 38: then there is just we've highlighted
01:03:30 Speaker 38: that there is ongoing discussion regarding
01:03:32 Speaker 38: housing-related definitions, data targets, and monitoring
01:03:34 Speaker 38: metrics. That discussion is happening around
01:03:38 Speaker 38: the staff affordable housing senior practice
01:03:39 Speaker 38: table, and I think that that
01:03:43 Speaker 38: will prepare us as we move
01:03:45 Speaker 38: towards that housing need assessment because
01:03:46 Speaker 38: I'd like to really present
01:03:49 Speaker 38: that information in a very tangible
01:03:51 Speaker 38: way. that we can all move
01:03:53 Speaker 38: forward. So we've got clear definitions
01:03:55 Speaker 38: and clear data metrics to help
01:03:57 Speaker 38: guide us in monitoring our progress
01:03:59 Speaker 38: as we go. With respect to
01:04:00 Speaker 38: section one point three of the
01:04:04 Speaker 38: report, that focused on the Gray
01:04:07 Speaker 38: County Housing Fund, and so many
01:04:08 Speaker 38: thanks to our our teammates in
01:04:11 Speaker 38: the Housing Department who helped with
01:04:13 Speaker 38: populating this section of the report.
01:04:15 Speaker 38: Within this section, we do offer
01:04:16 Speaker 38: some update regarding the county's. levy-supported
01:04:22 Speaker 38: housing fund, as has provided just
01:04:24 Speaker 38: shy of six billion dollars in
01:04:26 Speaker 38: funding for a variety of affordable,
01:04:27 Speaker 38: supportive, and transitional housing projects over
01:04:29 Speaker 38: the past four years, and those
01:04:30 Speaker 38: have been itemized within the report
01:04:33 Speaker 38: by by housing staff for us.
01:04:35 Speaker 38: They further highlight that there
01:04:38 Speaker 38: are some additional projects that
01:04:42 Speaker 38: are waiting in the wings for
01:04:44 Speaker 38: further funding, both locally and federally,
01:04:47 Speaker 38: and they additionally highlight that the
01:04:49 Speaker 38: Bay Counties Housing and Homelessness
01:04:52 Speaker 38: Plan. The Grey County's Housing and
01:04:53 Speaker 38: Homelessness Plan, which is prescribed and
01:04:54 Speaker 38: required by the province, will be
01:04:56 Speaker 38: due in May 2026. So, a
01:04:59 Speaker 38: revision is ongoing with respect to
01:05:02 Speaker 38: that plan. Regarding item 1.4, Community
01:05:03 Speaker 38: Improvement Plans. So, within the report,
01:05:04 Speaker 38: staff outlined that those plans are
01:05:05 Speaker 38: in place for the majority of
01:05:07 Speaker 38: member municipalities now at this time,
01:05:11 Speaker 38: and we do have a number
01:05:13 Speaker 38: of municipalities starting into an update
01:05:15 Speaker 38: process for those plans. County staff
01:05:17 Speaker 38: are encouraging generally consideration. of an
01:05:19 Speaker 38: affordable/slash housing/slash conversion type of programmemes
01:05:21 Speaker 38: at the discretion of the local
01:05:23 Speaker 38: municipalities, and just to support that,
01:05:25 Speaker 38: we have had some early kind
01:05:26 Speaker 38: of cross-pollination conversation, just opening up
01:05:29 Speaker 38: the idea that we could be
01:05:31 Speaker 38: working a little bit together, and
01:05:34 Speaker 38: we've had some early discussion with
01:05:36 Speaker 38: the economic development local developers table
01:05:37 Speaker 38: as well, just with respect to
01:05:39 Speaker 38: that. So I think we'll likely
01:05:41 Speaker 38: be getting together in January for
01:05:44 Speaker 38: something that almost. January first for
01:05:46 Speaker 38: this conversation about how we might
01:05:48 Speaker 38: work together on those updates and
01:05:51 Speaker 38: streamline. You may recall from prior
01:05:53 Speaker 38: reports, one of the things that
01:05:55 Speaker 38: we had been interested in learning
01:05:56 Speaker 38: more about was the potential to
01:05:57 Speaker 38: have a CIP at the county
01:05:59 Speaker 38: level as well, and so we
01:06:01 Speaker 38: had set out to approach the
01:06:04 Speaker 38: ministry staff and had had some
01:06:05 Speaker 38: back and forth with them
01:06:08 Speaker 38: around process, but then that item
01:06:09 Speaker 38: has subsequently been included within Bill
01:06:12 Speaker 38: sixteen, so. that's not noted. We
01:06:15 Speaker 38: are monitoring the status there, but
01:06:17 Speaker 38: I think if that element of
01:06:20 Speaker 38: the bill has progressed as as
01:06:22 Speaker 38: it was written into the draft,
01:06:24 Speaker 38: then that potential appears to exist
01:06:26 Speaker 38: or will shortly that we could
01:06:28 Speaker 38: further consider how we might target
01:06:30 Speaker 38: or prepare a CIP for the
01:06:36 Speaker 38: county as well. It is handy
01:06:38 Speaker 38: that these two items are on
01:06:40 Speaker 38: the slide together because I just
01:06:41 Speaker 38: I just want to plant the
01:06:44 Speaker 38: idea that we've got a couple
01:06:46 Speaker 38: of different tools here potentially at
01:06:49 Speaker 38: our disposal. and so I think
01:06:51 Speaker 38: there could certainly be some further
01:06:52 Speaker 38: conversation regarding further targeting and how
01:06:54 Speaker 38: those might be aligned to cover
01:06:56 Speaker 38: a greater breadth of projects to
01:06:58 Speaker 38: support them. Currently, the housing fund
01:07:00 Speaker 38: is is largely toolled towards most
01:07:02 Speaker 38: vulnerable populations, but we do understand
01:07:05 Speaker 38: that there is a range of
01:07:07 Speaker 38: affordability that is perhaps not well
01:07:10 Speaker 38: represented in our housing
01:07:13 Speaker 38: stock, and so perhaps
01:07:16 Speaker 38: the CIP might offer us further
01:07:18 Speaker 38: opportunity in in that. regard
01:07:22 Speaker 38: as well. Okay, and then finally
01:07:24 Speaker 38: for that first half of the
01:07:28 Speaker 38: report, we've just spoken at a
01:07:30 Speaker 38: high level to ongoing work regarding
01:07:32 Speaker 38: planning documents and processes, as we've
01:07:34 Speaker 38: offered a sample selection of of
01:07:36 Speaker 38: the type of work that's been
01:07:39 Speaker 38: happening. And so I think folks
01:07:41 Speaker 38: around this table would be quite
01:07:43 Speaker 38: familiar with that, and you've seen
01:07:44 Speaker 38: those documents and bylaws coming across
01:07:46 Speaker 38: your desk locally as well, but
01:07:56 Speaker 38: large. But largely, that has involved
01:07:59 Speaker 38: updates to our various planning documents.
01:08:00 Speaker 38: We've certainly seen folks at the
01:08:02 Speaker 38: local level looking to include ARU,
01:08:05 Speaker 38: additional residential unit policies and permissions,
01:08:08 Speaker 38: addressing short-term accommodation permissions and regulatory
01:08:10 Speaker 38: frameworks to get a good balance
01:08:13 Speaker 38: there. Articulating housing-related goals and objectives
01:08:15 Speaker 38: and targets, looking at height and
01:08:17 Speaker 38: density and intensification policies, and then
01:08:19 Speaker 38: creation of localized work plans to
01:08:21 Speaker 38: build upon what's included within the
01:08:22 Speaker 38: county housing plan. And so, if
01:08:24 Speaker 38: municipalities are looking to further further
01:08:28 Speaker 38: do that work, develop those work
01:08:29 Speaker 38: plans, I just would say that
01:08:31 Speaker 38: county staff are happy to have
01:08:34 Speaker 38: a conversation regarding the housing action
01:08:36 Speaker 38: plan and perhaps what might make
01:08:38 Speaker 38: sense for inclusion there. Okay. so
01:08:40 Speaker 38: I think we step into the
01:08:42 Speaker 38: second half of the report at
01:08:46 Speaker 38: this point in the presentation, and
01:08:48 Speaker 38: so as noted earlier in the
01:08:49 Speaker 38: presentation, the housing action plan does
01:08:52 Speaker 38: include some expressed intent around nonprofit
01:08:54 Speaker 38: sector capacity building. I think a
01:08:55 Speaker 38: lot of the existing affordable housing
01:08:57 Speaker 38: across Canada was actually created by
01:09:00 Speaker 38: that sector or in partnership with
01:09:01 Speaker 38: that sector, and so I think
01:09:04 Speaker 38: they are a very important partner
01:09:07 Speaker 38: as it comes to affordable housing,
01:09:09 Speaker 38: community housing. supply. A few thoughts
01:09:11 Speaker 38: that we shared in the report.
01:09:14 Speaker 38: So, firstly, I think that sector
01:09:17 Speaker 38: building work is intended to go
01:09:19 Speaker 38: above and beyond and build from
01:09:22 Speaker 38: the ongoing work with the nonprofit
01:09:26 Speaker 38: partners that is already underway by
01:09:28 Speaker 38: the housing department and service manager.
01:09:31 Speaker 38: The housing action plan does identify
01:09:34 Speaker 38: that you know there are some
01:09:37 Speaker 38: things that the municipal sector may
01:09:39 Speaker 38: not be ideally positioned, resource, or
01:09:41 Speaker 38: tool to do. and so it
01:09:43 Speaker 38: orients Gray County as a lead
01:09:45 Speaker 38: organisation, but really does encourage community
01:09:47 Speaker 38: partners of all all types, all
01:09:49 Speaker 38: of the sectors, to be working
01:09:50 Speaker 38: together towards collective housing goals. And
01:09:54 Speaker 38: I think really that sector capacity
01:09:55 Speaker 38: building would be intended to support
01:09:56 Speaker 38: that work by community partners towards
01:09:58 Speaker 38: collective benefit. So within that report,
01:10:00 Speaker 38: we do outline ongoing networking and
01:10:01 Speaker 38: co-learning work, and an emerging whole
01:10:04 Speaker 38: community approach. framing for collabouration. We
01:10:05 Speaker 38: speak to community incubation of housing
01:10:07 Speaker 38: system components to support affordable housing
01:10:10 Speaker 38: creation. Discuss a little bit of
01:10:12 Speaker 38: the emerging sector skills building efforts
01:10:16 Speaker 38: that are in place in Ontario,
01:10:18 Speaker 38: and then speak a little bit
01:10:20 Speaker 38: to scale considerations for affordable and
01:10:22 Speaker 38: non-market housing. Speaking to some of
01:10:23 Speaker 38: the grant and finance programmemes that
01:10:24 Speaker 38: are available or pending relating to
01:10:26 Speaker 38: that, and I'll highlight a few
01:10:28 Speaker 38: things from that section and then.
01:10:31 Speaker 38: Things from that section in the
01:10:33 Speaker 38: next slides. I guess what I
01:10:36 Speaker 38: would say. So there's some thanks
01:10:38 Speaker 38: to go around here. So with
01:10:40 Speaker 38: respect to this next slide, I'll
01:10:42 Speaker 38: just extend my thanks to the
01:10:45 Speaker 38: Institute of Southern Georgian Bay. They
01:10:47 Speaker 38: have created the space for a
01:10:50 Speaker 38: lot of the learning and discussion
01:10:53 Speaker 38: to happen over the past years,
01:10:54 Speaker 38: and this work reflects work coming
01:10:56 Speaker 38: from that table together with
01:10:59 Speaker 38: municipal staff and council members who
01:11:00 Speaker 38: are often attending those meetings as
01:11:04 Speaker 38: well. So the whole community approach.
01:11:05 Speaker 38: If you've had a presentation at
01:11:08 Speaker 38: your local council by myself and
01:11:10 Speaker 38: Mary Ellen Steiner from the Institute,
01:11:12 Speaker 38: this may sound familiar. But I
01:11:14 Speaker 38: think we've been working to refine
01:11:16 Speaker 38: the wording and understandings here, and
01:11:19 Speaker 38: so we just highlight the whole
01:11:21 Speaker 38: community approach as a framing
01:11:24 Speaker 38: for how we might work together,
01:11:26 Speaker 38: and highlighting certain areas of focus
01:11:28 Speaker 38: for local government sector as well
01:11:30 Speaker 38: as for community partners. And so
01:11:31 Speaker 38: on the local government focus side,
01:11:33 Speaker 38: what that learning and network network
01:11:35 Speaker 38: group has determined is really, you
01:11:37 Speaker 38: know, we would be looking to
01:11:40 Speaker 38: local government to target the policy
01:11:43 Speaker 38: permissions and incentives towards affordable and
01:11:44 Speaker 38: non-market housing to fill those gaps
01:11:47 Speaker 38: in our supply. We would be
01:11:48 Speaker 38: looking at establishing and maintaining good
01:11:51 Speaker 38: regional communication, and I think around
01:11:53 Speaker 38: that table there is interest what
01:11:55 Speaker 38: that could look like. Could that
01:11:57 Speaker 38: be, for example, a future coordination
01:11:58 Speaker 38: table on a regional basis to
01:12:00 Speaker 38: do? that work, local government focus
01:12:03 Speaker 38: again would also be focused around
01:12:05 Speaker 38: municipal engagement around community wealth and
01:12:07 Speaker 38: social finance approaches. And so, I
01:12:08 Speaker 38: think it's a little out of
01:12:11 Speaker 38: our direct wheelhouse, but it certainly
01:12:12 Speaker 38: is adjacent. And I'll speak a
01:12:14 Speaker 38: little bit about where that sector
01:12:15 Speaker 38: is going. This really speaks to
01:12:18 Speaker 38: the idea that municipalities would be
01:12:22 Speaker 38: engaged in learning about these emerging
01:12:24 Speaker 38: techniques and determining how we might
01:12:27 Speaker 38: partner or bring some. of them
01:12:29 Speaker 38: into our organisations, and then a
01:12:31 Speaker 38: development of a cohesive regional perspective
01:12:34 Speaker 38: on workforce housing and associated
01:12:36 Speaker 38: needs and approaches. And so I
01:12:39 Speaker 38: think there we've certainly had lots
01:12:42 Speaker 38: of discussion around workforce housing, and
01:12:43 Speaker 38: I know previous on my course
01:12:47 Speaker 38: have been some reports by
01:12:48 Speaker 38: others, Mountain Village Association, for example.
01:12:50 Speaker 38: I think this is emerging as
01:12:52 Speaker 38: as one of those things where
01:12:54 Speaker 38: we maybe have some further work
01:12:57 Speaker 38: to articulate how we envision that
01:12:59 Speaker 38: flowing, and then our community partners
01:13:02 Speaker 38: can join us. I am on
01:13:04 Speaker 38: work. I'll give a little more
01:13:06 Speaker 38: clarity. On the community side, we
01:13:08 Speaker 38: are looking at community partners focused
01:13:11 Speaker 38: around building of local organisations and
01:13:14 Speaker 38: functions to support affordable housing at
01:13:15 Speaker 38: greater scale. And looking at examples
01:13:17 Speaker 38: from across Canada, we are seeing
01:13:19 Speaker 38: emerging vehicles such as land trusts
01:13:21 Speaker 38: and community development corporations to support
01:13:23 Speaker 38: in that work. Again, municipalities are
01:13:25 Speaker 38: not always resourced or or tools.
01:13:27 Speaker 38: to to do that work, and
01:13:29 Speaker 38: so those partners could assist. Linking
01:13:32 Speaker 38: of non-market housing creators via community
01:13:33 Speaker 38: practice, and so that is in
01:13:36 Speaker 38: place, and we do have those
01:13:39 Speaker 38: folks already connecting through some of
01:13:41 Speaker 38: those institute tables. Support for local
01:13:43 Speaker 38: citizens groups to support affordable housing
01:13:46 Speaker 38: creation and municipal efforts. So offering
01:13:49 Speaker 38: some education, and we have seen
01:13:51 Speaker 38: some spinoff interest in some of
01:13:53 Speaker 38: the local communities around that institute
01:13:55 Speaker 38: table, and I think. those folks
01:13:56 Speaker 38: are helping to to encourage that
01:13:58 Speaker 38: change in consideration at the local
01:13:59 Speaker 38: level as well. We want to
01:14:01 Speaker 38: make sure I think that folks
01:14:03 Speaker 38: are informed as well, bringing good
01:14:08 Speaker 38: information and asking for reasonable things
01:14:09 Speaker 38: as well around those tables. So
01:14:10 Speaker 38: offering that support I think is
01:14:11 Speaker 38: important. And then preparation of a
01:14:12 Speaker 38: regional community wealth and social finance
01:14:14 Speaker 38: strategy. So this is work that
01:14:16 Speaker 38: the institute has on the horizon,
01:14:18 Speaker 38: and I think we could certainly
01:14:20 Speaker 38: be. participating in some of those
01:14:23 Speaker 38: conversations as they further explore how
01:14:26 Speaker 38: can we lend, spend, and invest
01:14:29 Speaker 38: for greatest community benefit. And what
01:14:30 Speaker 38: I've just noted in the report
01:14:33 Speaker 38: is that you know I think
01:14:35 Speaker 38: following the housing need assessment, it
01:14:37 Speaker 38: would be reasonable for us
01:14:39 Speaker 38: to consider what are the needs
01:14:43 Speaker 38: that perhaps could be embedded within
01:14:45 Speaker 38: the housing actually more formally at
01:14:48 Speaker 38: the table. It's a worthy discussion
01:14:51 Speaker 38: to come in around. This. one
01:14:52 Speaker 38: here, and so perhaps you've seen
01:14:54 Speaker 38: this out in the world, but
01:14:55 Speaker 38: if not, I would be happy
01:14:57 Speaker 38: to be the first one to
01:14:58 Speaker 38: tell you that we have seen
01:15:00 Speaker 38: a community partner really take up
01:15:01 Speaker 38: that opportunity to engage, and so
01:15:03 Speaker 38: we have seen just last week
01:15:06 Speaker 38: an announcement by Community Foundation Great
01:15:08 Speaker 38: Bruce. They are working now to
01:15:10 Speaker 38: incubate Great Bruce Community Development Corporation,
01:15:12 Speaker 38: and they have, and I've
01:15:14 Speaker 38: outlined in the report what they
01:15:16 Speaker 38: envision that CDC could do. So
01:15:18 Speaker 38: they are looking at. some of
01:15:20 Speaker 38: that mentorship for community housing projects,
01:15:22 Speaker 38: exploring social finance tools like community
01:15:23 Speaker 38: bonds, initiating development and protection of
01:15:26 Speaker 38: affordable housing in a broad and
01:15:28 Speaker 38: non-competitive manner, and creating that space
01:15:31 Speaker 38: for further collabouration. And so, you
01:15:32 Speaker 38: know, I just I wanted to
01:15:34 Speaker 38: highlight that as an example, and
01:15:40 Speaker 38: thanks so much to Stuart Reed,
01:15:44 Speaker 38: their executive director, for working with
01:15:45 Speaker 38: me to coordinate the timing on
01:15:48 Speaker 38: this, so that we could make
01:15:50 Speaker 38: sure to share this good information
01:15:52 Speaker 38: through this report without. stealing their
01:15:55 Speaker 38: thunder for the announcement last week.
01:15:57 Speaker 38: And what I would just highlight
01:15:58 Speaker 38: here is that they have hired
01:16:01 Speaker 38: a strategic initiatives consultant on housing.
01:16:03 Speaker 38: This individual does have experience with
01:16:06 Speaker 38: community bonds and has worked with
01:16:08 Speaker 38: Habitat in wealth previously in setting
01:16:11 Speaker 38: up their programmemes. So we're bringing
01:16:16 Speaker 38: some of these new skills into
01:16:18 Speaker 38: the area through this move. They'll
01:16:21 Speaker 38: start slow and small and seek
01:16:23 Speaker 38: to grow sustainably and organically. But
01:16:24 Speaker 38: we've we've got some help into
01:16:27 Speaker 38: We've got some help in terms
01:16:29 Speaker 38: of of looking at that housing
01:16:34 Speaker 38: creation. Okay, and then further with
01:16:36 Speaker 38: respect to to the nonprofit sector,
01:16:37 Speaker 38: it's kind of an evolution of
01:16:38 Speaker 38: that conversation is achieving scale for
01:16:40 Speaker 38: housing creation, and so we've included
01:16:42 Speaker 38: a section of the report around
01:16:45 Speaker 38: this. What I would note is
01:16:47 Speaker 38: that so we are just kind
01:16:52 Speaker 38: of watching the rollout of the
01:16:55 Speaker 38: Build Canada Homes programme. at the
01:16:58 Speaker 38: federal level, so they are they
01:17:00 Speaker 38: are changing approach under under this
01:17:02 Speaker 38: new government with respect to how
01:17:04 Speaker 38: funding opportunities will be provided for
01:17:06 Speaker 38: housing creation, affordable housing creation. Looking
01:17:08 Speaker 38: at their initial documents and the
01:17:10 Speaker 38: sounding guide that they've shared, we
01:17:12 Speaker 38: do understand that there is their
01:17:15 Speaker 38: intention to gradually move to a
01:17:18 Speaker 38: system where they are granting for
01:17:20 Speaker 38: large scale projects or portfolios of
01:17:22 Speaker 38: projects as. opposed to individual one-off
01:17:24 Speaker 38: applications. And so, I think, again,
01:17:25 Speaker 38: just looking with an eye to
01:17:27 Speaker 38: the future of how might we
01:17:29 Speaker 38: need to position ourselves to engage
01:17:33 Speaker 38: with these funding opportunities on the
01:17:35 Speaker 38: go forward? I think we're recognizing
01:17:36 Speaker 38: that there may be some some
01:17:40 Speaker 38: necessity for a little amalgamation or
01:17:43 Speaker 38: or working together to agglomerate some
01:17:44 Speaker 38: of those projects under one portfolio
01:17:45 Speaker 38: or a series. Portfolio or series
01:17:48 Speaker 38: of projects under one application, and
01:17:50 Speaker 38: so I think really just kind
01:17:55 Speaker 38: of seeding that idea here that
01:17:58 Speaker 38: there will be some further conversations
01:17:59 Speaker 38: happen around that. We're not one
01:18:02 Speaker 38: hundred percent sure how that funding
01:18:07 Speaker 39: will evolve, but actually, just in
01:18:09 Speaker 38: coordination with the House National Housing
01:18:13 Speaker 38: Day, they have just now this
01:18:14 Speaker 38: past weekend released the investment policy
01:18:15 Speaker 38: framework for both Canada Homes. So
01:18:17 Speaker 38: I think everyone's just digesting that
01:18:20 Speaker 38: at this moment in time. It
01:18:22 Speaker 38: does too speak to that. gradual
01:18:25 Speaker 38: transition towards scale, so just a
01:18:26 Speaker 38: going consideration for us, and and
01:18:28 Speaker 38: we do also just within that
01:18:30 Speaker 38: section of the report speak a
01:18:32 Speaker 38: little bit to the existing provincial
01:18:34 Speaker 38: funding opportunities as well. There has
01:18:36 Speaker 38: been some advocacy where as they
01:18:40 Speaker 38: are considering how those might be
01:18:42 Speaker 38: retooled to better serve areas in
01:18:44 Speaker 38: rural Ontario like ours. So we'll
01:18:46 Speaker 38: see where that goes. Okay, and
01:18:49 Speaker 38: then. finally, just the second component
01:18:50 Speaker 38: of that last half of the
01:18:52 Speaker 38: report speaks to finance innovation for
01:18:55 Speaker 38: affordable housing. Lost my notes. There
01:18:56 Speaker 38: we go. So with respect to
01:18:58 Speaker 38: this section of the report, we
01:18:59 Speaker 38: really just wanted to kind of
01:19:02 Speaker 38: highlight some of the work that
01:19:04 Speaker 38: is happening within the sector across
01:19:07 Speaker 38: Canada. So this is homework, if
01:19:10 Speaker 38: you will, to poke around on
01:19:11 Speaker 38: some of those linked resources. to
01:19:14 Speaker 38: get a flavour of what is
01:19:16 Speaker 38: happening, kind of on that learning
01:19:19 Speaker 38: edge of social finance innovation, and
01:19:20 Speaker 38: what we we're seeing and what's
01:19:24 Speaker 38: been included within that report is
01:19:26 Speaker 38: a highlight on some of those
01:19:28 Speaker 38: smaller financial opportunities. So community bond
01:19:30 Speaker 38: initiatives, and I've highlighted an Assiniboia
01:19:33 Speaker 38: example, Redwood Park Communities, as as
01:19:36 Speaker 38: one with an open bond campaign.
01:19:38 Speaker 38: I had an opportunity to to
01:19:41 Speaker 38: sit with their fund manager and
01:19:42 Speaker 38: hear about how they've actually structured
01:19:45 Speaker 38: that campaign. and the different
01:19:47 Speaker 38: tranches within the bond offering and
01:19:49 Speaker 38: the risk profiles of the management
01:19:51 Speaker 38: and it's quite interesting and I
01:19:53 Speaker 38: think there's a lot of opportunity
01:19:54 Speaker 38: there to to set those up
01:19:56 Speaker 38: and we're seeing that happen again
01:19:59 Speaker 38: across Canada. In addition to those
01:20:02 Speaker 38: smaller scale project specific tools, we're
01:20:04 Speaker 38: also seeing the establishment of larger
01:20:05 Speaker 38: revolving funds that are targeted towards
01:20:07 Speaker 38: housing as well. And so I've
01:20:09 Speaker 38: highlighted the Catch Fund, which grew
01:20:12 Speaker 38: from a innovation lab in. Hamilton
01:20:13 Speaker 38: around their LRT expansion, and really
01:20:16 Speaker 38: looks at bringing together different types
01:20:17 Speaker 38: of capital and investors to create
01:20:18 Speaker 38: a revolving fund that can create
01:20:24 Speaker 38: seed funding and bridge financing for
01:20:26 Speaker 09: community housing creators. And I think
01:20:28 Speaker 09: with this one, again looking out
01:20:30 Speaker 09: into the horizon, what's possible. We
01:20:32 Speaker 09: do have a lot of work
01:20:34 Speaker 09: happening around the energy frontier. Various
01:20:36 Speaker 09: institutional and industrial partners with respect
01:20:38 Speaker 09: to that. I know certainly Bruce
01:20:39 Speaker 09: County is is thinking about the
01:20:41 Speaker 40: housing issues as well, and then
01:20:45 Speaker 40: we have this local CDC, and
01:20:48 Speaker 40: so I could envision this being
01:20:50 Speaker 40: something potentially in our future, maybe
01:20:52 Speaker 40: not right away, but but longer
01:20:55 Speaker 40: term in terms of innovation. So
01:20:57 Speaker 40: just again trying to see those
01:20:58 Speaker 40: ideas bring everybody along with that
01:21:00 Speaker 40: learning. So I'll leave I'll leave
01:21:05 Speaker 40: it there today. Certainly happy to
01:21:09 Speaker 41: speak to any questions that may
01:21:10 Speaker 41: arise, and really happy to do
01:21:14 Speaker 41: all of the additional learning that.
01:21:15 Speaker 41: All of this additional learning that
01:21:17 Speaker 41: will be coming along as things
01:21:19 Speaker 23: evolve. Thanks very much. Thank you.
01:21:23 Speaker 23: Lots in the report, and also
01:21:26 Speaker 23: with what you've just provided for
01:21:28 Speaker 23: us verbally. So I'll just wait
01:21:32 Speaker 23: till the virtual members come back
01:21:33 Speaker 23: on my screen here, and we'll
01:21:35 Speaker 23: open up for questions. We'll begin
01:21:38 Speaker 23: with the deputy warden. Thank you,
01:21:40 Speaker 23: Madam Warden, and thank you, Liz,
01:21:41 Speaker 23: for the report and the update.
01:21:44 Speaker 23: I concur with Councillor Body that
01:21:46 Speaker 23: we don't. tutor on horn enough
01:21:49 Speaker 23: about the work that is being
01:21:51 Speaker 23: done and potentially being done to
01:21:54 Speaker 23: house more people affordably here in
01:21:59 Speaker 23: Gregg County. So I think this
01:22:00 Speaker 42: report goes a long way to
01:22:03 Speaker 42: do that. Thank you very much.
01:22:05 Speaker 43: Okay. Thank you. Other comments or
01:22:08 Speaker 43: questions? I will go to Councillor
01:22:10 Speaker 43: Kieveny, and then we'll go to
01:22:11 Speaker 43: Councillor Gregg. Thank you, Madam Warden,
01:22:14 Speaker 43: and Liz. What an amazing report!
01:22:16 Speaker 43: Thank you for all of your
01:22:19 Speaker 43: efforts in this regard. I note
01:22:21 Speaker 43: through the conversations with the folks
01:22:23 Speaker 43: at the institute that I know
01:22:24 Speaker 43: there's an importance attached to local
01:22:26 Speaker 43: affordable housing task forces. Some of
01:22:27 Speaker 43: us have them, and some of
01:22:29 Speaker 43: us don't. And with the exceptional
01:22:31 Speaker 43: work that's happening at the county
01:22:33 Speaker 43: and through the Southern Georgian Bay
01:22:36 Speaker 43: Institute, and in particular the Social
01:22:37 Speaker 43: Finance Group, I'm. wondering if you
01:22:40 Speaker 43: feel there is still a necessity
01:22:42 Speaker 43: for each community to have its
01:22:43 Speaker 43: own task force to be able
01:22:45 Speaker 43: to contribute locally to the to
01:22:47 Speaker 43: the conversation at this level. Thank
01:22:49 Speaker 43: you very much, and through you,
01:22:51 Speaker 43: Madam Warden. So, you know, I
01:22:53 Speaker 43: I I think it's important to
01:22:56 Speaker 43: have a space to have conversations
01:22:57 Speaker 43: about what we're we're going to
01:22:59 Speaker 43: do, bringing in some of this
01:23:01 Speaker 43: information for learning. translating that into
01:23:03 Speaker 43: tasks, assigning those tasks to individuals
01:23:05 Speaker 43: to be completed. I think about
01:23:07 Speaker 43: everything that the Collingwood Affordable Housing
01:23:09 Speaker 43: Task Force has achieved over the
01:23:10 Speaker 43: past number of years, and if
01:23:13 Speaker 43: you're not familiar, check out their
01:23:15 Speaker 43: website. They've got a whole lot
01:23:16 Speaker 43: going on. So, you know, I
01:23:18 Speaker 43: I think there I think there
01:23:21 Speaker 43: is certainly interest and a function
01:23:25 Speaker 43: for those committees. I don't know,
01:23:28 Speaker 43: you know, I think thinking to
01:23:31 Speaker 43: that idea of the regional coordination
01:23:34 Speaker 43: and collabouration. Perhaps there's a circumstance
01:23:36 Speaker 44: in the future where we're moving
01:23:38 Speaker 44: to more of a regional table.
01:23:39 Speaker 44: I don't necessarily think that will
01:23:40 Speaker 44: replace the need to have some
01:23:42 Speaker 44: concerted effort and space to have
01:23:45 Speaker 44: those conversations locally, but that could
01:23:47 Speaker 44: be an evolution. In the meantime,
01:23:49 Speaker 44: without kind of that broader coordination
01:23:54 Speaker 44: table, I do think there's value
01:23:56 Speaker 44: to those. But of course, it's
01:23:58 Speaker 44: a local discussion with respect to
01:24:00 Speaker 44: whether you have the resources to
01:24:02 Speaker 44: to put that in place. But
01:24:03 Speaker 44: yeah, I would say that having
01:24:04 Speaker 44: that. space and making that time
01:24:07 Speaker 44: to have those conversations would be
01:24:09 Speaker 44: important to this board at this
01:24:11 Speaker 44: moment. A lot of it is
01:24:13 Speaker 44: on that learning edge, so I
01:24:14 Speaker 44: think creating that space for those
01:24:16 Speaker 44: conversations is important. Thank you, Councillor
01:24:18 Speaker 44: Greg. Thank you, and thanks for
01:24:19 Speaker 44: the extensive report, Liz. It's a
01:24:20 Speaker 44: good update. I guess the background
01:24:22 Speaker 44: to my question, if there there
01:24:23 Speaker 44: is one, but we are just
01:24:24 Speaker 44: undertaking. a new official plan and
01:24:25 Speaker 44: zoning update in Owen Sound right
01:24:27 Speaker 44: now. So as part of preparing
01:24:29 Speaker 44: for that Monday night, I was
01:24:30 Speaker 44: just running some numbers because we
01:24:32 Speaker 44: get a lot of advocacy from
01:24:34 Speaker 44: a certain demographic about the affordable
01:24:35 Speaker 44: housing initiatives, and everyone seems to
01:24:37 Speaker 44: fall into a certain. They're retired,
01:24:38 Speaker 44: they own their own homes, and
01:24:41 Speaker 44: they're speaking for young people. If
01:24:43 Speaker 44: you go to a restaurant and
01:24:45 Speaker 44: you just engage a bunch of
01:24:48 Speaker 44: young people, young people want the
01:24:49 Speaker 44: same opportunity. Young people want the
01:24:51 Speaker 44: same opportunities that that we have.
01:24:53 Speaker 44: If you you talk to them,
01:24:55 Speaker 44: they want a little bit of
01:24:58 Speaker 44: yard, maybe their own driveway to
01:25:00 Speaker 44: pull into. This is what they're
01:25:01 Speaker 44: wishing for. So in in terms
01:25:03 Speaker 44: of preparing for Monday, you know,
01:25:07 Speaker 44: if they go out and you
01:25:09 Speaker 44: just take a look at an
01:25:10 Speaker 44: average house right now, a starter
01:25:12 Speaker 44: home four hundred and fifty thousand,
01:25:17 Speaker 44: they're going to need four hundred
01:25:20 Speaker 44: twenty five thousand dollars mortgage. You
01:25:22 Speaker 44: run the numbers in that, which
01:25:26 Speaker 44: I did. That's eleven hundred two
01:25:28 Speaker 44: dollars a month at a four
01:25:31 Speaker 44: sixty nine rate for five years,
01:25:33 Speaker 44: and over the first five. years,
01:25:36 Speaker 44: they paid a hundred thousand in
01:25:39 Speaker 44: interest. So when they renew, they
01:25:43 Speaker 44: still have three seventy five. You
01:25:47 Speaker 44: you put thirty percent on that.
01:25:50 Speaker 44: That's ninety seven thousand dollars a
01:25:53 Speaker 44: year. This needed to sustain that
01:25:54 Speaker 44: thirty thousand dollar payment for their
01:25:57 Speaker 44: mortgage. We haven't talked about insurance.
01:26:00 Speaker 44: We haven't talked about property taxes
01:26:02 Speaker 44: and the plethora of other costs
01:26:03 Speaker 44: that come along with that. We
01:26:04 Speaker 44: need to update our census data.
01:26:06 Speaker 44: I think the most recent one
01:26:09 Speaker 44: I see is twenty one, and.
01:26:12 Speaker 44: Twenty-one, and in terms of an
01:26:15 Speaker 44: average or medium household income in
01:26:18 Speaker 44: Gray County, I think, or or
01:26:20 Speaker 44: Oronson, it could be wrong, but
01:26:24 Speaker 44: they're pretty close. Is either seventy-one
01:26:25 Speaker 44: or seventy-seven thousand dollars? That's the
01:26:28 Speaker 44: average household income. Now that's skewed
01:26:30 Speaker 44: because you're taking in fixed-income seniors
01:26:32 Speaker 44: and and so forth. But it's
01:26:33 Speaker 44: the average young person in our
01:26:35 Speaker 44: communities is not over a hundred
01:26:40 Speaker 44: thousand dollars. The the data doesn't
01:26:41 Speaker 44: show that. And when you're working
01:26:44 Speaker 44: on on this, are the are
01:26:46 Speaker 44: the efforts only responding to the
01:26:50 Speaker 44: affordable housing, or do you do
01:26:51 Speaker 44: you examine it a little bigger
01:26:56 Speaker 44: than than just the affordable housing
01:26:59 Speaker 44: component? Because I think in in
01:27:00 Speaker 44: Olmsted, maybe our numbers were 17
01:27:01 Speaker 44: of new apartments were meeting criteria,
01:27:04 Speaker 44: and if we want to work
01:27:06 Speaker 44: on behalf of some of the
01:27:10 Speaker 44: people in the community that just
01:27:11 Speaker 44: want to have their own house
01:27:12 Speaker 44: and have that opportunity, when you
01:27:13 Speaker 44: put in that, like an actual
01:27:16 Speaker 44: discretionary or disposable income, like after
01:27:17 Speaker 44: tax, they're like fifty percent of
01:27:20 Speaker 44: their income or greater, and we
01:27:22 Speaker 44: haven't talked about property taxes, insurance,
01:27:25 Speaker 44: like the essentials yet. So I
01:27:26 Speaker 44: feel like they're left out, and
01:27:29 Speaker 44: we're at we're doing a lot.
01:27:32 Speaker 44: of advocating for some of the
01:27:35 Speaker 44: market that we are are needing
01:27:37 Speaker 44: to meet the need for, and
01:27:38 Speaker 44: we are building new apartments. But
01:27:40 Speaker 44: at times I'm afraid we're we're
01:27:41 Speaker 44: we're putting a lot of efforts
01:27:44 Speaker 44: here, and we're not recognizing that
01:27:46 Speaker 44: still when you build an apartment,
01:27:48 Speaker 44: there's probably $300 minimum a month.
01:27:52 Speaker 44: I know, I know, in Salem,
01:27:55 Speaker 44: on $200,000 assessment, they're paying two.
01:27:58 Speaker 44: To three thousand a month or
01:28:00 Speaker 44: a year in property taxes, and
01:28:01 Speaker 44: everyone has to pay their fair
01:28:04 Speaker 44: share. So that unit's got, you
01:28:06 Speaker 44: know, three hundred dollars a month,
01:28:08 Speaker 44: approximately in taxes. It's got utilities.
01:28:10 Speaker 44: I just got off the phone
01:28:12 Speaker 44: about a week and a half
01:28:13 Speaker 44: ago with one of the large
01:28:17 Speaker 44: builders, and we're talking about every
01:28:20 Speaker 44: seven years they have to budget
01:28:23 Speaker 44: for appliance replacement. So all these
01:28:25 Speaker 44: costs have to go into that
01:28:26 Speaker 44: unit. The general taxpayer can't pick.
01:28:29 Speaker 38: that up. So there's a there's
01:28:32 Speaker 38: when you're talking about affordable housing,
01:28:34 Speaker 38: you already get to fourteen or
01:28:36 Speaker 38: fifteen hundred dollars really quickly, and
01:28:38 Speaker 38: we're talking about the capital needs
01:28:40 Speaker 38: that have to be put aside
01:28:42 Speaker 38: to do the renovations every so.
01:28:44 Speaker 38: And we do that with our
01:28:47 Speaker 38: own housing here, so we see
01:28:51 Speaker 38: it. I'm just wondering then, can
01:28:53 Speaker 38: you speak to how you do
01:28:54 Speaker 38: interpret those real life costs into
01:28:56 Speaker 38: your studies? and that missing middle
01:28:58 Speaker 38: that sometimes is out there, that
01:29:01 Speaker 38: I feel like the demographics. Because
01:29:03 Speaker 38: all I have to work off
01:29:05 Speaker 38: is, I only have the numbers,
01:29:07 Speaker 38: the data needs updated, but we
01:29:09 Speaker 38: have to work off that data
01:29:11 Speaker 38: and respond to a lot of
01:29:13 Speaker 38: the segment and their population that
01:29:14 Speaker 38: just wants that same opportunity that
01:29:16 Speaker 38: we had. Thank you, Andrew, Monday
01:29:19 Speaker 38: morning. Excellent question. Thank you so
01:29:24 Speaker 38: much for that. So. Before that,
01:29:27 Speaker 38: so so just I'll pick up
01:29:28 Speaker 38: a couple of the data pieces
01:29:30 Speaker 38: and then can respond specifically to
01:29:34 Speaker 38: the question asked. So you're right.
01:29:37 Speaker 38: So median household income for Gray
01:29:38 Speaker 38: County is about seventy-eight thousand dollars
01:29:39 Speaker 38: a year. So that is a
01:29:41 Speaker 38: data set that is amalgamated for
01:29:45 Speaker 38: both renters and owners. Um, so
01:29:49 Speaker 38: if you actually split out those
01:29:51 Speaker 38: populations, the income profiles are very
01:29:52 Speaker 38: different. Um, so I think median
01:29:53 Speaker 38: owner data. would probably see your
01:29:56 Speaker 38: household income somewhere close to about
01:29:57 Speaker 38: ninety thousand dollars a year. Whereas,
01:30:00 Speaker 38: if you're looking across that on
01:30:02 Speaker 38: a tenant basis, you can essentially
01:30:05 Speaker 38: cut that median seventy-eight, I don't
01:30:07 Speaker 38: know, sixty percent. So, like I,
01:30:09 Speaker 38: I think in Newburgh, for example,
01:30:12 Speaker 38: the median rent range is about
01:30:14 Speaker 38: forty-six thousand dollars a year. So,
01:30:16 Speaker 38: so the I think that's why
01:30:19 Speaker 38: we're talking so much around kind
01:30:22 Speaker 38: of the rental component because the
01:30:24 Speaker 38: need is very acute. Those numbers
01:30:26 Speaker 38: really don't work. for for households,
01:30:27 Speaker 38: with tenant households, but I think
01:30:29 Speaker 38: you're right. That certainly, what we're
01:30:33 Speaker 38: seeing come on in terms of
01:30:35 Speaker 38: new product for ownership housing, it's
01:30:37 Speaker 38: it's quite a bit above in
01:30:38 Speaker 38: terms of carrying costs. What we
01:30:40 Speaker 38: would see kind of affordable to
01:30:41 Speaker 38: that maybe in households or even
01:30:43 Speaker 38: households in the sixth and seventh
01:30:44 Speaker 38: deciles of household income. So we
01:30:46 Speaker 38: are seeing that. Kind of that
01:30:48 Speaker 38: expectation. I think there's going to
01:30:50 Speaker 38: be a lot of work in
01:30:52 Speaker 38: order for us to deliver on
01:30:54 Speaker 38: that expectation that the population or
01:30:56 Speaker 38: the the youth coming up would
01:30:59 Speaker 38: have those same opportunities. The federal
01:31:02 Speaker 38: government does highlight that in some
01:31:05 Speaker 38: of their foresight reporting, kind of
01:31:08 Speaker 38: speaking around the risks to social
01:31:09 Speaker 38: mobility if we see kind of
01:31:13 Speaker 38: existing trends going forward. And I
01:31:15 Speaker 38: think the income side of the
01:31:16 Speaker 38: equation is is definitely something that
01:31:19 Speaker 38: collectively. needs a look, because
01:31:21 Speaker 38: as you're right, the costs are
01:31:23 Speaker 38: definitely increasing. You can get to
01:31:26 Speaker 38: that fourteen hundred dollars a door
01:31:29 Speaker 38: very quickly, but the people who
01:31:32 Speaker 38: are trying to access that housing
01:31:33 Speaker 38: might have to pass eight, eight
01:31:35 Speaker 38: or nine, even if they're working
01:31:37 Speaker 38: full time, twelve hundred dollars a
01:31:37 Speaker 38: month. So, you know, I think
01:31:38 Speaker 38: I think that really does put
01:31:39 Speaker 38: a sharp focus on the need
01:31:41 Speaker 38: to look at that affordable piece.
01:31:44 Speaker 38: But I definitely take your point,
01:31:49 Speaker 38: and I think there is. work
01:31:50 Speaker 38: ongoing relating to ownership product and
01:31:52 Speaker 38: how we can make that more
01:31:54 Speaker 38: affordable as well. And so there
01:31:57 Speaker 38: are some emerging models. Some of
01:31:58 Speaker 38: that is around shared equity mortgages,
01:32:00 Speaker 38: and so there are tools coming
01:32:02 Speaker 38: out where you get kind of
01:32:03 Speaker 38: investment, whether it's through accessing grants
01:32:06 Speaker 38: or or pooled existing equity, and
01:32:07 Speaker 38: folks are able to kind of
01:32:10 Speaker 38: offer something like a second mortgage
01:32:11 Speaker 38: kind of product to help. allow
01:32:13 Speaker 38: folks to get into that housing
01:32:15 Speaker 38: that would not find it affordable
01:32:17 Speaker 38: otherwise, I could definitely share some
01:32:19 Speaker 38: information around those ownership-related tools too,
01:32:22 Speaker 38: if you'd be interested. I know
01:32:24 Speaker 38: the folks that are associated with
01:32:26 Speaker 38: Glassberg's—they have a model around some
01:32:27 Speaker 38: of those affordable mortgages as well,
01:32:29 Speaker 38: so that one might be of
01:32:31 Speaker 38: interest to take a look at.
01:32:32 Speaker 38: So, I guess not to go
01:32:35 Speaker 38: into all of the detail around
01:32:37 Speaker 38: those models, but just to say
01:32:39 Speaker 38: that there are some emerging models,
01:32:41 Speaker 38: similarly, as we're looking at now.
01:32:43 Speaker 38: Similarly, as we're looking at nonprofit
01:32:43 Speaker 38: and those philanthropic combined funds to
01:32:45 Speaker 38: create revenue, an opportunity to fund
01:32:47 Speaker 38: that kind of housing, there are
01:32:48 Speaker 38: folks working on that ownership piece
01:32:50 Speaker 38: as well, and it is a
01:32:52 Speaker 38: very important consideration. Speaking to some
01:32:54 Speaker 38: of the data that we're looking
01:32:56 Speaker 38: at, you know, I think where
01:32:58 Speaker 38: there's been a big question mark,
01:33:01 Speaker 38: it's like how do we define
01:33:03 Speaker 38: that attainable housing, or that missing
01:33:08 Speaker 38: middle a little bit more, and
01:33:10 Speaker 09: so I, I've been working. with
01:33:11 Speaker 09: neighbourhood staff actually, and some back
01:33:13 Speaker 09: and forth to try and kind
01:33:14 Speaker 09: of detail that a little bit
01:33:16 Speaker 09: more. And so that really does
01:33:17 Speaker 09: kind of get at that what
01:33:18 Speaker 09: is affordable in a home ownership
01:33:20 Speaker 09: context for the most part. And
01:33:21 Speaker 09: so I, my hope is that
01:33:24 Speaker 09: through the housing need assessment, we'll
01:33:27 Speaker 09: be able to articulate that with
01:33:28 Speaker 09: a little more clarity in what
01:33:30 Speaker 09: we mean when we say affordable
01:33:32 Speaker 09: versus attainable. What is attainable rental,
01:33:34 Speaker 09: right? So we know affordable, but
01:33:36 Speaker 09: we're So we know affordable. We're
01:33:38 Speaker 09: serving towards certain population and certain
01:33:39 Speaker 09: deciles of household income. What about
01:33:44 Speaker 09: those renters? The rent is still
01:33:45 Speaker 09: a little bit above. Is there?
01:33:47 Speaker 09: They have constrained options as well,
01:33:49 Speaker 26: right? So it really is about
01:33:50 Speaker 26: that full spectrum. But I think
01:33:51 Speaker 26: the focus on the rental and
01:33:54 Speaker 26: the deeply affordable is just because
01:33:58 Speaker 26: that need is so acute and
01:33:59 Speaker 26: the cost factors are so challenging
01:34:01 Speaker 26: to to navigate. So, perhaps leave
01:34:02 Speaker 26: that there. But happy to address
01:34:04 Speaker 26: a follow up or share additional
01:34:05 Speaker 26: information if you're. Yes, certainly. Whatever
01:34:06 Speaker 26: kind of follow-up, I think these
01:34:08 Speaker 26: questions that are being asked by
01:34:10 Speaker 26: one individual are in the heads
01:34:11 Speaker 26: of others as well. So I
01:34:12 Speaker 26: think the the more that we
01:34:13 Speaker 26: share, and the more that we
01:34:15 Speaker 26: can understand that, and how we
01:34:17 Speaker 26: fit into this puzzle of so
01:34:19 Speaker 26: many different organisations, so many working
01:34:23 Speaker 26: groups, so many individual municipalities, and
01:34:26 Speaker 26: the you're demonstrating the breadth of
01:34:29 Speaker 26: knowledge that you have, what's happening
01:34:30 Speaker 26: elsewhere, and and how we can
01:34:31 Speaker 26: bring it home here to Gray
01:34:33 Speaker 26: County to share as efficiently as
01:34:36 Speaker 26: possible, as well. So. thank you
01:34:39 Speaker 26: for that offering to do that
01:34:42 Speaker 26: kind of follow up. We'll go
01:34:44 Speaker 26: to Councillor Bordenille. Thank you, Madam
01:34:45 Speaker 26: Bordenille. Through you and thank you,
01:34:47 Speaker 26: Liz. Actually, you answered one of
01:34:49 Speaker 26: my questions in regards to attainable
01:34:51 Speaker 26: and affordable. We get that question
01:34:55 Speaker 26: asked all the time. Is is
01:34:58 Speaker 26: affordable? Social housing is attainable, even
01:35:00 Speaker 38: defined by the PPS. You know,
01:35:01 Speaker 38: we always look to the province
01:35:02 Speaker 38: for what their definition of attainable
01:35:04 Speaker 38: is, and is it home ownership,
01:35:05 Speaker 38: or is it home, or is
01:35:07 Speaker 38: At home, or is it rental?
01:35:09 Speaker 38: You know, is it eighty percent
01:35:11 Speaker 38: of market value? So I'm glad
01:35:13 Speaker 38: that you're going down that path,
01:35:16 Speaker 38: Madam Warden, as in her capacity
01:35:18 Speaker 38: as mayor, and I met with
01:35:20 Speaker 38: our largest ratepayers group. I believe
01:35:22 Speaker 38: it was last week when this
01:35:24 Speaker 38: report came out. So their questions
01:35:25 Speaker 38: more around number one, the fund,
01:35:27 Speaker 38: and is that strictly for affordable
01:35:31 Speaker 38: housing? Anything? Any thought of introducing
01:35:34 Speaker 38: that levy into attainable? And number
01:35:35 Speaker 38: two is under the CIP, how
01:35:36 Speaker 38: do you see that collabouration? Because
01:35:38 Speaker 38: I'm glad you mentioned affordable. and
01:35:40 Speaker 38: attainable housing creation in the two.
01:35:43 Speaker 38: The collabouration just in your 1.4
01:35:46 Speaker 38: in in the CIP comment on
01:35:48 Speaker 38: page two. How does that? How
01:35:49 Speaker 38: do you see the tie-in at
01:35:52 Speaker 38: the regional to the local level
01:35:54 Speaker 38: on the CIP? If you just
01:35:57 Speaker 38: extrapolate, that would be would be
01:36:00 Speaker 38: very advantageous. Thank you. Okay. Well,
01:36:02 Speaker 38: thank you, Andrew, Madam Warden. So
01:36:05 Speaker 38: yes, I think that affordable attainable
01:36:08 Speaker 38: question has it has been a
01:36:13 Speaker 38: pending question that I. It has
01:36:15 Speaker 38: been a pending question, and I
01:36:19 Speaker 38: know even just within some of
01:36:21 Speaker 38: the legislation, the province had floated
01:36:24 Speaker 38: maybe we would see a definition
01:36:27 Speaker 38: of attainable coming in regulation. We
01:36:29 Speaker 38: haven't yet, so maybe they're struggling
01:36:32 Speaker 38: with that definition too. It's a
01:36:34 Speaker 38: tricky one because of how the
01:36:36 Speaker 38: data sets fall. So, so maybe
01:36:38 Speaker 38: I'll start with the CIP question
01:36:41 Speaker 38: first, and then come back to
01:36:43 Speaker 38: the one around the fund. So,
01:36:45 Speaker 38: with respect to the CIPs, so
01:36:47 Speaker 38: as it stands right now, we
01:36:50 Speaker 38: have those documents in place at
01:36:51 Speaker 38: the local level. Each municipality. has
01:36:54 Speaker 38: certainly worked from the county template,
01:36:56 Speaker 38: but we do see some variety
01:36:59 Speaker 38: at the local level around the
01:37:01 Speaker 38: programmemes offered. There's quite a bit
01:37:04 Speaker 38: of variety around how those plans
01:37:05 Speaker 38: are resourced. So some municipalities have
01:37:07 Speaker 38: ongoing annual contributions into to funding
01:37:10 Speaker 38: those programmemes. Others have kind of
01:37:11 Speaker 38: a declining balance pot of money
01:37:14 Speaker 38: they're working from. So there's quite
01:37:15 Speaker 38: a bit of variety there. With
01:37:17 Speaker 38: respect to housing programmemes, there are
01:37:21 Speaker 38: some examples. Blue Mountains does have
01:37:22 Speaker 38: a housing-focused CIP as as one
01:37:25 Speaker 38: example locally, but I know elsewhere
01:37:27 Speaker 38: across the province there are other
01:37:28 Speaker 38: housing-focused CIPs, and oftentimes they are
01:37:33 Speaker 38: they are looking well at a
01:37:38 Speaker 38: variety of different housing types. Often
01:37:40 Speaker 38: conversions are addressed within within the
01:37:42 Speaker 38: CIP document. So we see those
01:37:44 Speaker 38: upper story conversions from office or
01:37:46 Speaker 38: storage space. into rentals. I think
01:37:47 Speaker 38: the challenge with CIPs is just
01:37:49 Speaker 38: the scale of the funds that
01:37:51 Speaker 38: are offered. So we talked about
01:37:52 Speaker 38: how quickly a developer can get
01:37:55 Speaker 38: to quite a high cost threshold
01:37:56 Speaker 38: in unit creation. If we're offering
01:37:58 Speaker 38: a matching fund grant and maybe
01:38:01 Speaker 38: maxes out at two or three
01:38:03 Speaker 38: or five thousand dollars relative to
01:38:05 Speaker 38: the overall costs, you know that's
01:38:07 Speaker 38: a tiny drop in in the
01:38:08 Speaker 38: larger bucket. What I envision here
01:38:10 Speaker 38: for the growth. What I envision
01:38:13 Speaker 38: here for the go forward is,
01:38:15 Speaker 38: you know, when we're looking at
01:38:18 Speaker 38: those plan updates around those housing
01:38:19 Speaker 38: initiatives and the CIPs, I think
01:38:21 Speaker 38: that scale consideration needs to be
01:38:23 Speaker 38: a lens that we're looking through.
01:38:25 Speaker 38: Obviously, we have the resources that
01:38:27 Speaker 38: we have to put towards those,
01:38:28 Speaker 38: but I I really am thinking
01:38:31 Speaker 38: that if we're able to kind
01:38:33 Speaker 38: of focus on the gaps within
01:38:35 Speaker 38: our particular community for those CIPs
01:38:36 Speaker 38: and offering kind of a greater
01:38:39 Speaker 38: amount to Amount towards those applications
01:38:41 Speaker 38: to make a bit of an
01:38:43 Speaker 38: oomph to those projects that could
01:38:45 Speaker 38: have some benefit. With respect to
01:38:47 Speaker 38: a county CIP, we can have
01:38:48 Speaker 38: some conversation around what we might
01:38:52 Speaker 38: like to to look at
01:38:54 Speaker 38: focusing on with that. In the
01:38:57 Speaker 38: CIPs right now, you know, the
01:39:00 Speaker 38: tax incremental equivalent grant is one
01:39:01 Speaker 38: of the tools that does actually
01:39:04 Speaker 38: hit that scale. We have been
01:39:05 Speaker 38: delivering that in partnership at the
01:39:08 Speaker 38: county level to. At the county
01:39:10 Speaker 38: level, too, for our component of
01:39:10 Speaker 38: tax increases, and so that idea
01:39:15 Speaker 38: of you know is there an
01:39:19 Speaker 36: alignment between a potential future county
01:39:20 Speaker 36: CIP and those local CIPs? You
01:39:21 Speaker 36: know, maybe we're looking to stack
01:39:23 Speaker 36: them, maybe we're looking to slightly
01:39:24 Speaker 36: tool them a little bit differently,
01:39:26 Speaker 36: so that we're looking at different
01:39:27 Speaker 36: gaps. So perhaps the county CIP
01:39:29 Speaker 36: focuses on deeply affordable, and the
01:39:31 Speaker 36: local CIPs will be on near
01:39:33 Speaker 36: market. I think there's that opportunity
01:39:36 Speaker 36: to have further discussion around how
01:39:38 Speaker 36: we. might tool those to align
01:39:39 Speaker 36: together, but ultimately, I do think
01:39:42 Speaker 36: they should be aligned together if
01:39:44 Speaker 36: we are looking to develop a
01:39:47 Speaker 36: county CIP. And then with
01:39:49 Speaker 36: respect to the fund, so my
01:39:51 Speaker 36: understanding, and I think Anne Marie
01:39:54 Speaker 36: Shaw is available if there are
01:39:57 Speaker 36: more detailed questions as well. But
01:40:00 Speaker 36: to date, my understanding is that
01:40:03 Speaker 36: the fund has very much focused
01:40:05 Speaker 36: around most vulnerable population, and
01:40:08 Speaker 36: so if you look at the
01:40:10 Speaker 36: projects that have been funded, as
01:40:12 Speaker 36: are listed in the report. They
01:40:14 Speaker 36: are largely supportive, transitional, and deeply
01:40:16 Speaker 36: affordable partnered projects. My understanding is
01:40:18 Speaker 36: that was the intended focus for
01:40:20 Speaker 36: that fund. So I think if
01:40:21 Speaker 36: there was a discussion around other
01:40:23 Speaker 36: projects, that that would be a
01:40:24 Speaker 36: broader discussion to be had. I
01:40:28 Speaker 36: don't know. I think that maybe
01:40:30 Speaker 36: one could speak to that. Would
01:40:33 Speaker 36: you be to that kindling to
01:40:35 Speaker 36: join us? Go ahead, Director Taylor.
01:40:37 Speaker 36: Thank you, Madam Warden, and and
01:40:40 Speaker 36: thank you, Liz, and certainly turned
01:40:42 Speaker 36: over to Maria if there is
01:40:45 Speaker 36: anything. I just to Councillor Bardenyron's
01:40:47 Speaker 36: points and and to some of
01:40:49 Speaker 36: Councillor Greg's points. I note that
01:40:51 Speaker 36: that a lot of what you
01:40:52 Speaker 36: see at council and a lot
01:40:54 Speaker 36: of sort of the community services
01:41:01 Speaker 36: portfolio, as Liz has mentioned, is
01:41:04 Speaker 36: is is those most vulnerable and
01:41:05 Speaker 36: the deepest need. But I will
01:41:06 Speaker 36: say there's other things that County
01:41:08 Speaker 36: Council has taken leadership on to
01:41:11 Speaker 21: support those attainable products, and and
01:41:12 Speaker 21: the one that I point to
01:41:14 Speaker 21: is. the the development charges exemption
01:41:17 Speaker 21: agreements that we enter into for
01:41:18 Speaker 21: for rental housing, and and so
01:41:20 Speaker 21: four years ago ish, the county
01:41:22 Speaker 21: was seeing a distinct lack of
01:41:24 Speaker 21: rental housing being being created, and
01:41:25 Speaker 21: and county council opted to to
01:41:29 Speaker 21: empower staff to enter into these
01:41:31 Speaker 21: development charges exemption agreements, whereby if
01:41:33 Speaker 21: somebody is providing purpose built rental
01:41:36 Speaker 21: and if they maintain that purpose
01:41:37 Speaker 21: built rental for a period of
01:41:40 Speaker 21: time. then they don't need to
01:41:41 Speaker 21: pay those county development charges, and
01:41:47 Speaker 21: and we have heard positive feedback
01:41:49 Speaker 09: from developers in in a number
01:41:50 Speaker 09: of our municipalities that said this
01:41:51 Speaker 09: is one of the things that
01:41:55 Speaker 09: really tip the balance to to
01:41:57 Speaker 09: helping choose to develop in municipality
01:41:58 Speaker 09: X in Gray County, and and
01:41:59 Speaker 09: those development charge exemption agreements for
01:42:00 Speaker 09: purpose built rental housing don't come
01:42:02 Speaker 09: with any affordability threshold, so in
01:42:03 Speaker 09: some cases they they wouldn't meet
01:42:05 Speaker 09: the provincial definition of affordable. but
01:42:07 Speaker 09: are probably in that slightly more
01:42:09 Speaker 09: nebulous definition that we don't have
01:42:13 Speaker 09: on paper of of attainable in
01:42:14 Speaker 09: that regard, and we've definitely seen
01:42:16 Speaker 09: a spike in in rental housing
01:42:18 Speaker 09: being built since then. So thank
01:42:19 Speaker 09: you. Okay, thank you. And do
01:42:22 Speaker 09: we have Director Shaw? Director Shaw,
01:42:25 Speaker 09: is there anything else you wanted
01:42:29 Speaker 09: to add? Just while there's a
01:42:30 Speaker 09: pause in questions from council. Sure,
01:42:32 Speaker 09: sure. Thank you, Mr. Morton. The
01:42:35 Speaker 09: fund itself. is fund from the
01:42:37 Speaker 09: one percent levy, but it's also
01:42:39 Speaker 09: from the proceeds of our Westmount
01:42:41 Speaker 09: sales. So we do have some
01:42:43 Speaker 09: older housing built in the nineteen
01:42:45 Speaker 09: fifties that we are selling off,
01:42:47 Speaker 09: and using the proceeds of that
01:42:48 Speaker 09: to provide seed funding for other
01:42:50 Speaker 09: housing. When the affordable housing fund
01:42:51 Speaker 09: was developed by our task force
01:42:53 Speaker 09: on affordable housing, it was directed
01:42:54 Speaker 09: towards our most vulnerable. We do
01:42:56 Speaker 09: have a number of projects in
01:42:59 Speaker 09: line waiting for funding, and so
01:43:00 Speaker 09: that. And so that's where we
01:43:03 Speaker 09: have directed the funding from this
01:43:04 Speaker 09: point forward. Okay, thank you for
01:43:07 Speaker 09: that background. And I'm just looking
01:43:09 Speaker 09: around; I don't see any further
01:43:10 Speaker 09: hands up here nor online. So,
01:43:13 Speaker 09: given us lots to think about,
01:43:16 Speaker 09: and I think there is there
01:43:18 Speaker 09: is an appetite to hear further
01:43:20 Speaker 09: from you in terms of follow
01:43:21 Speaker 09: up on this, and also as
01:43:24 Speaker 09: there are new players in the
01:43:32 Speaker 09: loop as well, like the the
01:43:33 Speaker 09: great news that comes from the
01:43:35 Speaker 09: Community Foundation, Gray Bruce. You know,
01:43:36 Speaker 09: to be. Great, Bruce. You know,
01:43:37 Speaker 09: to be able to jump into
01:43:39 Speaker 09: that that economic sustainable aspect of
01:43:42 Speaker 09: it, how how can we make
01:43:43 Speaker 09: it work? So, I think there's
01:43:44 Speaker 09: an appetite among the lower tiers
01:45:55 Speaker 14: and the various different working groups,
01:53:48 Speaker 16: etc., to be able to keep
01:53:49 Speaker 16: working together, as has been established,
01:54:16 Speaker 14: and and to help walk through
01:54:18 Speaker 02: this. What is the difference? I'm
01:54:19 Speaker 02: really glad that you did highlight,
01:54:20 Speaker 02: though, that no matter what definition
01:54:22 Speaker 02: we land on with attainable. that
01:54:23 Speaker 02: if we're helping workforce housing, we're
01:54:25 Speaker 02: also helping deep needs housing, and
01:54:26 Speaker 02: vice versa. And you know, and
01:54:28 Speaker 02: remembering that workforce housing goes beyond;
01:54:29 Speaker 02: it's also what seniors can afford
01:54:32 Speaker 02: when they're out of the workforce,
01:54:33 Speaker 02: but they'll have varying levels of
01:54:35 Speaker 02: what they can afford to live
01:54:38 Speaker 02: in as well. So, I know
01:54:40 Speaker 02: we all see it. We're all
01:54:42 Speaker 02: just trying to navigate through this
01:54:45 Speaker 02: together. So, thank you. Okay, it
01:54:47 Speaker 02: has been moved and seconded to
01:54:50 Speaker 02: receive for information. So, I'll just
01:54:51 Speaker 02: ask. I'll call the vote. All
01:54:52 Speaker 02: those in favour. And that motion
01:54:56 Speaker 02: is carried. Thank you. Thank you
01:54:59 Speaker 02: to all of the staff who
01:55:00 Speaker 02: have provided that information. Okay, so
01:55:03 Speaker 02: that takes care of item seven
01:55:05 Speaker 02: B. So we are now going
01:55:08 Speaker 02: to move back to the item
01:55:14 Speaker 02: that was pulled from the consent,
01:55:17 Speaker 02: right, Madam Clerk? Item sixty. Oh,
01:55:20 Speaker 45: sorry. Thank you. Okay, there's been
01:55:23 Speaker 45: a request for a break. I'm
01:55:26 Speaker 45: sorry. I was trying to race
01:55:29 Speaker 45: through, thinking you know, thinking ahead
01:55:33 Speaker 45: to the fact that we have
01:55:35 Speaker 45: our agenda items later this afternoon
01:55:38 Speaker 45: as well. Well thought. Yes, let's
01:55:40 Speaker 45: take a break for ten minutes
01:55:44 Speaker 45: and reconvene at ten to twelve.
01:55:45 Speaker 09: Thank you. Okay. committee. The whole
01:55:47 Speaker 09: members. We are approaching ten two.
01:55:48 Speaker 09: Okay, so I see our online
01:55:49 Speaker 09: members are back here, as well
01:55:55 Speaker 09: as we are here in the
01:55:57 Speaker 09: chamber, and we are continuing on
01:55:59 Speaker 32: with the agenda of our committee
01:56:01 Speaker 32: the whole session. We are at
01:56:03 Speaker 32: item sixty, the item that was
01:56:05 Speaker 32: pulled from the consent agenda, and
01:56:06 Speaker 32: first of all, to get it
01:56:09 Speaker 32: onto the floor, it is recommended.
01:56:11 Speaker 32: that report PDR CW sixty seven
01:56:14 Speaker 32: twenty five be received, and that
01:56:16 Speaker 32: the application for minor exemption under
01:56:18 Speaker 32: the county's forest management bylaw for
01:56:19 Speaker 32: part lot thirty one concession five
01:56:20 Speaker 32: geographic township of of Artemisia, now
01:56:24 Speaker 32: in the municipality of Grey Highlands,
01:56:25 Speaker 09: municipally known as two one three
01:56:27 Speaker 09: one five nine thirty side road,
01:56:30 Speaker 09: be approved. May I ask for
01:56:32 Speaker 09: a mover and a seconder? It
01:56:33 Speaker 09: is moved by Councillor Mackie, and
01:56:35 Speaker 09: seconded. seconded by Councillor Kevany. It's
01:56:37 Speaker 09: now on the floor for discussion,
01:56:39 Speaker 09: and we have Sarah Johnson is
01:56:41 Speaker 09: going to provide some explanation, and
01:56:44 Speaker 09: then we will hear County Committee
01:56:45 Speaker 09: the whole questions. Thank you, Warden.
01:56:46 Speaker 09: I, I don't, I don't have
01:56:48 Speaker 09: a formal presentation, but essentially what
01:56:50 Speaker 09: we have here is an an
01:56:52 Speaker 09: application for minor exemption to clear.
01:56:54 Speaker 09: a young plantation that was
01:56:56 Speaker 09: not successfully growing, and and so
01:56:59 Speaker 09: the applicant made the request to
01:57:02 Speaker 09: clear those those fields up. That
01:57:04 Speaker 09: was supported by our by law
01:57:07 Speaker 09: enforcement officer as well as our
01:57:08 Speaker 09: ecology staff. Okay, thank you for
01:57:10 Speaker 09: that context. So with that, then
01:57:11 Speaker 09: we'll open the floor. Councillor McKay,
01:57:13 Speaker 09: I'll look to you as you
01:57:16 Speaker 09: had requested that we pull it.
01:57:16 Speaker 09: Thank you, Warden. No, I think
01:57:18 Speaker 09: you pretty well answered my question.
01:57:21 Speaker 09: My my question was because it
01:57:25 Speaker 09: doesn't really explain it. It sounded
01:57:28 Speaker 09: like a clear cut to me,
01:57:30 Speaker 09: and I was going to ask the question too: Is this a plantation, and if this plantation is ready to harvest, fine and dandy. But now that I hear that it didn't really take to begin with, it's just a bunch of scrub brush, I guess. Now, so I have no problem. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. So that's the answer that's provided for that. Any other questions or comments? Okay, then thank you, Ms. Johnson. That seems to have sufficed. So I'll call the vote. Then, all those in favour, and that motion is carried. Thank you again. All right. So now we are going to head into closed session for two different matters. It's recommended that the committee of the whole does now go into closed session pursuant to Section Two Thirty Nine Two of the Municipal Act Two Thousand and One as amended. 2001, as amended, to discuss number one personal matters about an identifiable individual, including municipal or local board employees, with regards to staff succession planning, and the second item will be a position plan or procedure, criteria or instruction to be applied to any negotiations carried on or to be carried on by or on behalf of the municipality or local board with regards to Georgian College. May I ask for a mover and a seconder? It's moved by Councillor Patterson and seconded by. Councillor McKay. And any discussion? All those in favour? Okay. That motion is carried. So we will now ready the room for the close session.
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