Grey County County Council Meeting Transcript — November 27, 2025

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Grey County · County Council · November 27, 2025

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Grey County Council convened its regular session, focusing on the adoption of previous meeting minutes and marking National Housing Day with a plan to utilise surplus lands in Markdale and Durham for affordable rentals through 2026. Staff presented updates on social finance innovations designed to address local income gaps between owner earners and tenant households without seeking explicit new funding commitments at this stage.

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1 Call to Order

Paul Mcqueen called to order this council meeting.

00:06:59 Speaker 02: call to order this council meeting

00:07:01 Speaker 02: of November twenty seventh, twenty twenty

00:07:03 Speaker 02: five. At this point in time,

00:07:05 Speaker 02: as you're able, please join us

00:07:06 Speaker 02: in the standing and singing of

00:07:08 Speaker 03: "O Canada." O Canada, our home

00:07:23 Speaker 04: and native land, true patriot love

00:07:30 Speaker 04: in all of us command. With

00:07:36 Speaker 05: glowing hearts, we sing. Hearts, we

00:07:39 Speaker 05: see thee rise, the true North,

00:07:43 Speaker 05: strong and free. From far and

00:07:48 Speaker 05: wide, O Canada, we stand on

00:07:53 Speaker 05: guard for thee. God keep our

00:07:59 Speaker 05: land, glorious and free. Oh, Canada,

00:08:06 Speaker 05: we stand on guard for thee.

3 Roll Call

Council members conducted a roll call to confirm attendance before Councillor Paul McQueen acknowledged the traditional territories of the Anishinaabeg Nation in south-eastern Ontario and expressed dedication to honouring Indigenous history.

00:08:14 Speaker 05: Thank you, Madam Clerk. Could you

00:08:29 Speaker 05: please conduct our roll call? Councillor

00:08:30 Speaker 05: Mackie, Councillor McKay, Councillor Carleton, Councillor

00:08:39 Speaker 06: Pringle, Councillor McQueen will be

00:08:42 Speaker 06: joining us in a minute. Councillor

00:08:45 Speaker 06: Nielsen, excited to be here. Councillor

00:08:48 Speaker 06: Patterson, Councillor Dickert, Councillor Kentner, Councillor

00:08:51 Speaker 06: Keaveny, Councillor Body, Councillor Greg,

00:08:56 Speaker 06: Councillor Milne. Present. Councillor Dobrine.

00:09:01 Speaker 06: Present. Gordon Matrasovs. Councillor Bourdignon.

00:09:05 Speaker 06: Present. Councillor Eccles. Councillor Hutchinson.

00:09:09 Speaker 06: Present. Do have all members

00:09:14 Speaker 07: in attendance today? Thank you. Excellent.

00:09:16 Speaker 02: Thank you. Let us begin by

00:09:20 Speaker 02: acknowledging with respect that we are

00:09:23 Speaker 02: gathered on the traditional territory of

00:09:25 Speaker 02: the Anishinaabeg Nation, the people of

00:09:27 Speaker 02: the Three Fires, known as the

00:09:29 Speaker 02: Ojibwe. Odawa, and Potawatomi nations, we

00:09:31 Speaker 02: give thanks to the Chippewas of

00:09:34 Speaker 02: Saugeen and the Chippewas of Nawash,

00:09:36 Speaker 02: known collectively as the Saugeen Ojibwe

00:09:38 Speaker 02: Nation, the traditional keepers of these

00:09:42 Speaker 02: lands and waters since time immemorial.

00:09:43 Speaker 02: In our south lies the traditional

00:09:47 Speaker 02: territories of the Six Nations of

00:09:49 Speaker 02: the Grand River and the Haudenosaunee.

00:09:50 Speaker 02: We are dedicated to honouring Indigenous

00:09:53 Speaker 02: history and culture, and committed to

00:09:55 Speaker 02: moving forward in the spirit of

00:09:57 Speaker 02: truth. reconciliation, and friendship with all

00:10:00 Speaker 02: First Nations, Métis, and Inuit peoples.

00:10:03 Speaker 02: So, on our county council agenda

5 Declaration of Interest

Council proceeded with item five regarding declarations of interest after observing that no members raised their hands.

00:10:12 Speaker 02: this morning, the next item is

00:10:13 Speaker 02: number five, which is any declarations

00:10:15 Speaker 02: of interest for this agenda for

00:10:17 Speaker 02: council. Looking to the screen, looking

00:10:19 Speaker 02: around the room, I see no

00:10:22 Speaker 02: hands up, so we will proceed.

00:10:23 Speaker 02: Next, we will move to the

6.a County Council and Committee of the Whole minutes dated November 13, 2025

Council adopted minutes for County Council, Committee of the Whole, and closed sessions dated November 13, 2025.

00:10:25 Speaker 02: adoption of the minutes. Item six

00:10:26 Speaker 02: a. It's. Item 6A. It's recommended

00:10:28 Speaker 02: that the minutes of County Council

00:10:29 Speaker 02: meeting and the Committee of the

00:10:31 Speaker 02: Whole meeting dated November 13, 2025,

00:10:33 Speaker 02: and the resolutions contained therein be

00:10:36 Speaker 02: adopted as presented. May I ask

00:10:38 Speaker 02: for a mover and a seconder?

00:10:39 Speaker 02: Moved by Councillor Kivney, and seconded

00:10:44 Speaker 02: by Councillor Eccles. Any discussion? Seeing

00:10:50 Speaker 02: no hands, then I'll call the

00:10:52 Speaker 02: vote. All those in favour? And

00:10:55 Speaker 02: that motion is carried. The next

00:10:58 Speaker 02: one is for closed sessions, so

00:10:59 Speaker 02: it's recommended that the closed session

00:11:01 Speaker 02: committee, the whole meeting minutes, dated

00:11:03 Speaker 02: November thirteenth, twenty twenty-five, be adopted

00:11:05 Speaker 02: as provided. May I ask for

00:11:07 Speaker 02: a mover and a seconder? Moved

00:11:08 Speaker 02: by Councillor Patterson, seconded by Councillor

00:11:10 Speaker 02: Do Green. Any discussion? Okay, seeing

00:11:16 Speaker 02: none, I'll call the question. All

00:11:17 Speaker 02: those in favour? And that motion

6.c Long-Term Care Committee of Management minutes dated November 12, 2025

The Long-Term Care Committee of Management minutes dated November 12, 2025 were adopted by County Council following presentations on legislative changes for resident support assistance personnel and upcoming HISCAPA registration.

00:11:21 Speaker 02: is carried. Item six C is

00:11:24 Speaker 02: our long-term. care committee of management,

00:11:26 Speaker 02: and it is recommended that the

00:11:28 Speaker 02: long-term care committee of management meeting

00:11:30 Speaker 02: minutes dated November twelfth, twenty twenty-five,

00:11:32 Speaker 02: be adopted as presented, and the

00:11:34 Speaker 02: following resolutions contained therein be endorsed:

00:11:36 Speaker 02: Number one, that the report LTCCRCM

00:11:38 Speaker 02: twenty four twenty five regarding a

00:11:41 Speaker 02: long-term care director update be received

00:11:43 Speaker 02: for information; Number two, that report

00:11:45 Speaker 02: LTCCRCM twenty five twenty five regarding

00:11:48 Speaker 02: long-term care operational report dated August

00:11:51 Speaker 02: fifteenth to October fourteenth. To October

00:11:54 Speaker 02: 14th be received for information, and

00:11:57 Speaker 02: third, that report LTCRCM 2625 regarding

00:12:01 Speaker 02: the proposed 2026 long-term care budget

00:12:04 Speaker 02: be received, and item four that

00:12:08 Speaker 02: 2020 the 2026 proposed long-term care

00:12:11 Speaker 02: budget be presented, be be forwarded

00:12:14 Speaker 02: to County Council as part of

00:12:15 Speaker 02: the overall corporate budget package

00:12:17 Speaker 02: for consideration. May ask for a

00:12:20 Speaker 02: mover. Moved by Councillor Patterson, seconded.

00:12:22 Speaker 02: by Councillor Mackie. Sorry, did I

00:12:25 Speaker 02: say Patterson? So, Carlton. Well, we'll

00:12:28 Speaker 02: go with the. That's right. One

00:12:29 Speaker 02: of the two suits. So we'll

00:12:30 Speaker 02: go with Councillor Carlton, Madam Clerk.

00:12:33 Speaker 02: That's right. At least I got

00:12:33 Speaker 02: the Mackie part right. So, and

00:12:36 Speaker 02: and Councillor Mackie have moved and

00:12:39 Speaker 02: seconded. So it's now on the

00:12:39 Speaker 02: floor for any discussion. And I

00:12:43 Speaker 02: believe Jennifer is is Director Cornell

00:12:45 Speaker 02: going to speak to anything, or

00:12:46 Speaker 02: just if there are questions? Oh,

00:12:50 Speaker 02: I'm sorry, Director Cornell. It's I.

00:12:51 Speaker 02: Director Carnell, it's it's going to

00:12:52 Speaker 02: be a bit of a challenge

00:12:54 Speaker 02: keeping track online this morning. Good

00:12:56 Speaker 02: morning, online, and the floor is

00:12:59 Speaker 08: yours. Great, thank you, Madam Warden,

00:13:01 Speaker 08: and good morning, County Council. I'll

00:13:04 Speaker 08: just give a high level update

00:13:06 Speaker 08: and summary of the meeting in

00:13:09 Speaker 08: the director's update report. We

00:13:11 Speaker 08: had some good discussion, particularly around

00:13:16 Speaker 08: legislative changes that are coming for

00:13:20 Speaker 08: resident support assistance or. resident support

00:13:22 Speaker 08: personnel, which we call care support

00:13:26 Speaker 08: assistance, and the PSW certification changes

00:13:30 Speaker 08: and the upcoming registration with HISCAPA,

00:13:33 Speaker 08: which is the short form for

00:13:34 Speaker 08: a very lengthy title on

00:13:38 Speaker 08: a regulatory authority for personal support

00:13:42 Speaker 08: workers. In the operating report, the

00:13:45 Speaker 08: the staff gave some

00:13:47 Speaker 08: highlights and information around ministry inspections.

00:13:49 Speaker 08: had a really good discussion and

00:13:51 Speaker 08: overview of the Lee Manor mock

00:13:55 Speaker 08: evacuation experience, and a bit of

00:13:57 Speaker 08: a shoutout and celebration of making

00:13:59 Speaker 08: the halfway mark in a three-year

00:14:02 Speaker 08: project in partnership with RNAO for

00:14:06 Speaker 08: the clinical pathway best practices. And

00:14:09 Speaker 08: then, as the warden indicated, the

00:14:11 Speaker 08: bulk of the meeting was spent

00:14:14 Speaker 08: discussing the proposed long-term care draft

00:14:17 Speaker 08: budget with. some really good discussion,

00:14:19 Speaker 08: and I'll leave it there. If

00:14:25 Speaker 09: there's any questions, okay. Thank you.

00:14:26 Speaker 09: I'll look to. I'm looking for

00:14:27 Speaker 09: it. I'll look for any virtual

00:14:29 Speaker 09: hands that get raised, and I'll

00:14:31 Speaker 09: look around the room. And I'm

00:14:32 Speaker 09: not seeing hands go up in

00:14:34 Speaker 09: either place, Director Furnell. So thank

00:14:35 Speaker 09: you very much for the extensive

00:14:37 Speaker 09: details that you provided. With that,

00:14:39 Speaker 09: I'll call the question. All those

00:14:41 Speaker 09: in favour? And that motion is

00:14:46 Speaker 09: carried. Thank you. Item seven: We

00:14:47 Speaker 09: do not have any closed meeting

00:14:49 Speaker 09: matters nor reports. In item eight,

00:14:50 Speaker 09: that allows us to go to

00:14:52 Speaker 09: the bylaws. It's recommended that

00:14:55 Speaker 09: bylaws fifty-two, fifty-seven, twenty-five,

00:14:58 Speaker 09: fifty-two, fifty-eight, twenty-five, fifty-two, fifty-nine,

00:15:01 Speaker 09: twenty-five, fifty-two, sixty, twenty-five, and fifty-two,

00:15:04 Speaker 09: sixty-one, twenty-five be introduced and taken

00:15:06 Speaker 09: as read first, second, and third

00:15:08 Speaker 09: time. Finally, passed, signed by the

00:15:09 Speaker 09: warden and clerk, with and and

00:15:11 Speaker 09: sealed with the seal of the

00:15:13 Speaker 09: corporation and engrossed into the bylaws.

00:15:15 Speaker 09: And engrossed into the bylaw book,

00:15:16 Speaker 09: the first one is a bylaw

00:15:18 Speaker 09: to authorise the execution of a

00:15:20 Speaker 09: memorandum of understanding between the Corporation

00:15:22 Speaker 09: of the County of Grey and

00:15:23 Speaker 09: the Municipality of Grey Highlands and

00:15:26 Speaker 09: Bright Shores Health System. The second

00:15:27 Speaker 09: is a bylaw for an agreement

00:15:29 Speaker 09: between the Federation of the Canadian

00:15:31 Speaker 09: Municipalities and Grey County through the

00:15:34 Speaker 09: Local Leadership for Climate Adaptation Programme,

00:15:36 Speaker 09: and the third one is a

00:15:37 Speaker 09: bylaw to authorise the Warden and

00:15:39 Speaker 09: Clerk to execute an agreement between

00:15:42 Speaker 09: the Lutheran Social Services and Lutheran

00:15:43 Speaker 09: Outreach Ministries. and the Corporation of

00:15:45 Speaker 09: the County of Grey for provision

00:15:49 Speaker 09: of funds through the Canada Ontario

00:15:51 Speaker 09: Community Housing Initiatives, and number five

00:15:54 Speaker 09: a bylaw to confirm number four

00:15:55 Speaker 09: a bylaw to confirm all actions

00:15:57 Speaker 09: and proceedings of Council, and fifth

00:16:01 Speaker 09: a bylaw to approve the delegation

00:16:02 Speaker 09: of duties policy. So with that,

00:16:06 Speaker 09: I'll look for a mover and

00:16:08 Speaker 09: a seconder. I see the Deputy

00:16:11 Speaker 09: Warden has moved, and Councillor Pringle

00:16:12 Speaker 09: has seconded. It's now on the

00:16:18 Speaker 09: floor for discussion. Any discussion? Yes,

00:16:22 Speaker 09: Councillor Eccles. Just one comment on

00:16:24 Speaker 10: the bylaw fifty two sixty one

00:16:30 Speaker 10: twenty five. The delegation of duties

00:16:34 Speaker 10: in the schedule. There's a lot

00:16:36 Speaker 10: in there. Did we haven't highlighted

00:16:41 Speaker 10: what are being added to, or

00:16:46 Speaker 10: is this all added to the

00:16:53 Speaker 10: delegation, delegating authority? Okay, I'll look

00:16:54 Speaker 11: to the clerk. Thank you, and

00:16:56 Speaker 11: through you, Madam Warden, it is

00:16:58 Speaker 11: a combination of our current delegation

00:17:00 Speaker 11: of duties bylaw and then some

00:17:02 Speaker 11: additional new pieces being incorporated in.

00:17:05 Speaker 11: So it's a bit of a

00:17:07 Speaker 11: a combination. The report that came

00:17:09 Speaker 11: at the last. meeting did highlight

00:17:10 Speaker 11: some of the major changes. It

00:17:12 Speaker 11: didn't. It didn't speak to all

00:17:14 Speaker 11: of them because many were housekeeping

00:17:16 Speaker 11: or administrative. But I can send

00:17:17 Speaker 11: that report out again if it's

00:17:19 Speaker 12: helpful, so you can see the

00:17:25 Speaker 12: the changes that were more significant.

00:17:27 Speaker 12: Okay. Thank you. Any other questions?

00:17:30 Speaker 13: Okay, I'll call the question. All

00:17:32 Speaker 13: those in favour? And that motion

00:17:36 Speaker 02: is carried. Thank you. That allows.

00:17:38 Speaker 02: us to move on to news

00:17:40 Speaker 02: and celebrations, and we have three

00:17:41 Speaker 02: three pieces of news to celebrate

00:17:43 Speaker 02: with staff. And so the first

00:17:45 Speaker 02: one, it's I'm going to call

00:17:48 Speaker 02: upon Director Kevin McNab of Paramedic

00:17:50 Speaker 14: Services, because we have some exciting

00:18:12 Speaker 15: presentations to make today. Good morning,

00:18:14 Speaker 15: Warden and County Council. Happy to

00:18:15 Speaker 15: be here today to celebrate with

00:18:18 Speaker 15: our Gray County paramedics for receiving

00:18:21 Speaker 15: their exemplary service medal. The exemplary,

00:18:24 Speaker 15: the Emergency Medical Services Exemplary

00:18:26 Speaker 15: Service Medal, created on July seventh,

00:18:28 Speaker 15: nineteen ninety-four, recognizes professionals in the

00:18:30 Speaker 15: provision of pre-hospital emergency medical services

00:18:32 Speaker 15: to the public who have performed

00:18:35 Speaker 15: their duties in an exemplary manner.

00:18:39 Speaker 15: characterized by good conduct, industry, and

00:18:40 Speaker 15: efficiency. Recipients must have been employed

00:18:42 Speaker 15: with emergency medical services on or

00:18:45 Speaker 15: after October 31, 1991, and have

00:18:47 Speaker 15: completed 20 years of exemplary service,

00:18:50 Speaker 15: including 10 years in which their

00:18:53 Speaker 15: performance of duties involved potential risk.

00:18:55 Speaker 15: To date, approximately 2,500 medals have

00:18:59 Speaker 15: been awarded to Ontario's over 9,000

00:19:01 Speaker 15: paramedics. This distinction is not

00:19:03 Speaker 15: simply a longevity of

00:19:06 Speaker 15: service. Simply longevity of service. It

00:19:08 Speaker 15: reflects exceptional commitment, professionalism, and meaningful

00:19:10 Speaker 15: contributions both in the workplace and

00:19:12 Speaker 15: within the community. So happy to

00:19:16 Speaker 15: be here with four of the

00:19:18 Speaker 15: recipients today. First, Paula Trombley, 20

00:19:22 Speaker 15: years of exemplary service. She works

00:19:24 Speaker 15: in Markdale. She's she's the co-chair

00:19:26 Speaker 15: of our Joint Health and Safety

00:19:29 Speaker 15: Committee. She's done a number of

00:19:33 Speaker 15: duties, CPAR supervisor through her years.

00:19:35 Speaker 15: So congratulations. to Paula, Joe Draper

00:19:36 Speaker 15: on the far right here. He's

00:19:38 Speaker 15: a supervisor with us. Works out

00:19:40 Speaker 15: of One Sound. Does a number

00:19:41 Speaker 15: of duties, but he does spend

00:19:44 Speaker 15: a lot of time coordinating our

00:19:47 Speaker 15: Honour Guard and all our special

00:19:49 Speaker 15: events. Jessica Rob, she's our Deputy

00:19:51 Speaker 15: Chief of Operations. She came to

00:19:54 Speaker 15: us and with Wellness and Support

00:19:56 Speaker 15: Deputy Chief, then developed a number

00:19:59 Speaker 15: of programmemes to support our paramedics

00:20:01 Speaker 15: within the service. And not able

00:20:03 Speaker 15: to join us today for 20

00:20:05 Speaker 15: years is Naomi Liverance. She's a

00:20:07 Speaker 15: full-time paramedic in Bruce County, part-time

00:20:11 Speaker 15: with us, and she's worked throughout

00:20:13 Speaker 15: the county on multiple different bases.

00:20:14 Speaker 15: And special honour here today doesn't

00:20:16 Speaker 15: often reach in this field. It

00:20:18 Speaker 15: is a difficult job, and to

00:20:20 Speaker 15: say we have somebody here that's

00:20:23 Speaker 15: worked 40 years in service deserves

00:20:25 Speaker 15: special recognition. Leo, he's worked in

00:20:27 Speaker 15: Bruce County and Gray for a

00:20:28 Speaker 15: number of years. He is retired,

00:20:30 Speaker 15: but. he still comes back and

00:20:32 Speaker 15: participates in our honour guard, and

00:20:35 Speaker 15: so happy to have Leo here.

00:20:36 Speaker 15: So thank you, Leo. So, wish

00:22:45 Speaker 16: congratulations to everybody, and so happy

00:23:30 Speaker 16: for their honour guard. Okay. For

00:23:31 Speaker 02: those of you that might not

00:23:33 Speaker 02: have heard, Leo of forty years

00:23:35 Speaker 02: service just shared that he started

00:23:36 Speaker 02: forty years ago as an ambulance

00:23:38 Speaker 02: driver and can't believe all the

00:23:39 Speaker 02: kinds of changes that have come

00:23:41 Speaker 02: today, and the kind of complexities

00:23:43 Speaker 02: that go with the role as

00:23:45 Speaker 02: you've developed and as you've seen

00:23:47 Speaker 02: your your whole work environment change.

00:23:49 Speaker 02: in order to be able to

00:23:51 Speaker 02: best deliver needs to the individuals

00:23:52 Speaker 02: who need you. So it is

00:23:53 Speaker 02: phenomenal, and we thank all of

00:23:55 Speaker 02: you for your 20 years and

00:23:57 Speaker 02: your 40 years service. And I

00:23:58 Speaker 02: will note too that there are

00:23:59 Speaker 02: family members here today that have

00:24:01 Speaker 02: come to celebrate you through the

00:24:04 Speaker 02: snow. That's wonderful to hear. We

00:24:05 Speaker 02: we're very appreciative that you've been

00:24:06 Speaker 02: able to take time out today

00:24:19 Speaker 17: to come to council and we

00:24:20 Speaker 17: celebrate your accomplishments. So, with that,

00:24:21 Speaker 02: we will move on to another

00:24:23 Speaker 02: piece of good news. We're going

00:24:24 Speaker 02: to step a little bit into

00:24:26 Speaker 02: the youth mode now. At this

00:24:28 Speaker 02: point in time, to talk about

00:24:30 Speaker 02: some up-and-coming leaders that we have

00:24:32 Speaker 02: entertained through the Youth Climate Action

00:24:35 Speaker 02: Conference. It was held again. It

00:24:36 Speaker 02: is such a tradition. I was

00:24:37 Speaker 02: so pleased to be able

00:24:40 Speaker 02: to be there in the morning.

00:24:43 Speaker 02: Fantastic, you know, fantastic introduction. The

00:24:46 Speaker 02: top-notch agenda programme. that was planned.

00:24:47 Speaker 02: These are grade five students that

00:24:49 Speaker 02: are coming from all over the

00:24:51 Speaker 02: county, coming from everywhere, from different

00:24:53 Speaker 02: schools, selected by their schools to

00:24:55 Speaker 02: come with their teachers and to

00:24:56 Speaker 02: participate and get to know others

00:24:58 Speaker 02: in other schools. Which I think

00:25:01 Speaker 02: is a fantastic. It's so nice

00:25:02 Speaker 02: when somebody's interested in something like

00:25:03 Speaker 02: climate change and what they can

00:25:04 Speaker 02: do to help and how they

00:25:06 Speaker 02: can be a young leader. It's

00:25:08 Speaker 02: so empowering for them to come

00:25:10 Speaker 02: to a room that is just

00:25:12 Speaker 02: full of young people their age,

00:25:14 Speaker 02: just like them. from right across

00:25:15 Speaker 02: the county who also want to

00:25:16 Speaker 02: do the same kind of thing.

00:25:18 Speaker 02: It was an incredible experience as

00:25:20 Speaker 02: well because for the first time,

00:25:22 Speaker 02: because of the Youth Climate Action

00:25:23 Speaker 02: Fund, we were able to have

00:25:25 Speaker 02: some young adult leaders too. So

00:25:26 Speaker 02: there were high school students there

00:25:28 Speaker 02: that had come for the day

00:25:29 Speaker 02: who might have actually been part

00:25:32 Speaker 02: of the programme earlier, but nonetheless

00:25:34 Speaker 02: had a passion from wherever they

00:25:35 Speaker 02: had started. I asked them. I

00:25:36 Speaker 02: had a lunch with them. They

00:25:37 Speaker 02: they they sat with me and

00:25:39 Speaker 02: had lunch, and I asked each

00:25:41 Speaker 02: each and every one of these

00:25:42 Speaker 02: young adult leaders. what it was

00:25:43 Speaker 02: that drew them to want to

00:25:46 Speaker 02: apply to be part of this

00:25:48 Speaker 02: programme, and every answer was different.

00:25:49 Speaker 02: It was everything from I used

00:25:51 Speaker 02: to help my grandmother with a

00:25:52 Speaker 02: you know planter garden, and so

00:25:54 Speaker 02: I thought a community garden would

00:25:56 Speaker 02: be a good idea. To I'm

00:25:57 Speaker 02: really worried about climate change, and

00:25:58 Speaker 02: I'm worried about what the planet's

00:25:59 Speaker 02: going to look like, and this

00:26:02 Speaker 02: was one way I could help.

00:26:04 Speaker 02: Every answer was was different about

00:26:05 Speaker 02: what what it was that drew

00:26:08 Speaker 02: them to be there, and what

00:26:09 Speaker 02: models those young adults are for

00:26:11 Speaker 02: those grade five. Are for those

00:26:13 Speaker 02: grade fives who are there, seeing

00:26:16 Speaker 02: that there is there is a

00:26:18 Speaker 02: way to participate and to do

00:26:20 Speaker 02: something together collectively. That of course

00:26:22 Speaker 02: doesn't happen without the true support

00:26:24 Speaker 02: and and dedication of the staff

00:26:26 Speaker 02: that we have with our sustainability

00:26:27 Speaker 02: staff here, as well as all

00:26:29 Speaker 02: the community partners. Definitely, I know

00:26:31 Speaker 02: when you speak, you're going to

00:26:33 Speaker 02: talk about all the other people

00:26:34 Speaker 02: involved that help make this happen

00:26:36 Speaker 02: each and every year. So with

00:26:37 Speaker 02: that, I would like to I

00:26:41 Speaker 02: would like to bring up Megan

00:26:42 Speaker 02: and Linda. if you would like

00:26:49 Speaker 02: to come and tell us a

00:26:51 Speaker 02: little bit more about the details

00:26:53 Speaker 02: about this year's event. Thank you,

00:26:56 Speaker 18: Warden Matrissovs. So, as the Warden

00:26:58 Speaker 18: shared, this was our fourth annual

00:27:01 Speaker 18: Youth Climate Action Conference. It was

00:27:04 Speaker 18: hosted in Owen Sound at the

00:27:06 Speaker 18: Bayshore Community Centre, but really was

00:27:08 Speaker 18: a cross-county event. We were

00:27:12 Speaker 18: lucky to host with. Hosted with

00:27:14 Speaker 18: a variety of partners, including the

00:27:16 Speaker 18: two school boards, along with various

00:27:16 Speaker 18: nonprofit organisations. I'm going to talk

00:27:18 Speaker 18: a little bit about the conference

00:27:20 Speaker 18: overall, and then Megan's going to

00:27:23 Speaker 18: tell you some of the specifics

00:27:25 Speaker 18: of the day. So, by the

00:27:28 Speaker 18: numbers, there were 24 schools from

00:27:30 Speaker 18: across Gray and Bruce who participated.

00:27:32 Speaker 18: Each school sent five elementary age

00:27:34 Speaker 18: students. They had to apply to

00:27:37 Speaker 18: attend. This is a hot ticket

00:27:41 Speaker 18: in the the elementary school. The

00:27:45 Speaker 18: elementary schools of our region, 125

00:27:46 Speaker 18: students, more than 125 students, joined

00:27:49 Speaker 18: us to really learn about sustainability,

00:27:52 Speaker 18: but also leadership. This really is

00:27:55 Speaker 18: a leadership development programme that uses

00:27:57 Speaker 18: sustainability, climate action, and environmentalism as

00:27:59 Speaker 18: the hook. There were 27 educators

00:28:00 Speaker 18: who also received a full day

00:28:02 Speaker 18: of professional development. So this is

00:28:04 Speaker 18: an opportunity for them to hone

00:28:06 Speaker 18: their skills, to learn about programmemes

00:28:08 Speaker 18: and supports available to that. And

00:28:11 Speaker 18: supports available to them to continue

00:28:14 Speaker 18: this kind of leadership and sustainability

00:28:15 Speaker 18: work in the classroom. That's supported

00:28:16 Speaker 18: by a national nonprofit called Learning

00:28:20 Speaker 18: for a Sustainable Future. As the

00:28:22 Speaker 18: warden mentioned, there were also some

00:28:24 Speaker 18: high school students there to act

00:28:26 Speaker 18: as role models. And this year,

00:28:28 Speaker 18: an overwhelming level of community support,

00:28:31 Speaker 18: with over fifty-four volunteers coming to

00:28:33 Speaker 18: spend the day, doing everything from

00:28:37 Speaker 18: handing out pizza to facilitating workshops

00:28:41 Speaker 18: on solar power. So, really, an

00:28:43 Speaker 18: opportunity. for for all ages to

00:28:46 Speaker 18: get involved in this work. The

00:28:49 Speaker 18: power of partnership. There's what happens

00:28:51 Speaker 18: in the day, which is really

00:28:53 Speaker 18: quite remarkable. But there's also the

00:28:55 Speaker 18: partnerships and the resource leveraging that

00:28:57 Speaker 18: this event catalyzes. There's over twenty

00:29:00 Speaker 18: one twenty one organisations working together

00:29:03 Speaker 18: on this. It started as a

00:29:04 Speaker 18: grassroots initiative from a local resident,

00:29:05 Speaker 18: and over the last three iterations,

00:29:08 Speaker 18: has. really grown to something that

00:29:10 Speaker 18: national organisations are holding up and

00:29:13 Speaker 18: saying this is our flagship event

00:29:16 Speaker 18: of the year. What is happening

00:29:19 Speaker 18: in Gray County is remarkable. There's

00:29:20 Speaker 18: over forty thousand dollars of external

00:29:24 Speaker 18: funding leveraged from a variety of

00:29:25 Speaker 18: funders and partners. And this year

00:29:27 Speaker 18: we also were very lucky to

00:29:28 Speaker 18: have a lot of engagement from

00:29:30 Speaker 18: Sogdian Ojibwe Nation. The day opened

00:29:32 Speaker 18: with the Sogdian Ojibwe Nation drummers

00:29:34 Speaker 18: and a land blessing, and then

00:29:36 Speaker 18: there were also remarks from the

00:29:38 Speaker 18: Saugyeen First Nation Chief Conrad Ritchie

00:29:41 Speaker 18: and the Acting Chief of the

00:29:42 Speaker 18: Chippewas and Naish, Jessica Keishing Martin.

00:29:43 Speaker 18: So, really trying to bring that

00:29:44 Speaker 18: Indigenous and reconciliation piece into sustainability

00:29:49 Speaker 18: as well. So, with that, I

00:29:51 Speaker 18: will hand things over to Megan

00:29:53 Speaker 18: to tell you a little bit

00:29:55 Speaker 19: more about the highlights. It's Linda.

00:29:57 Speaker 19: So, speaking of partnership, I just

00:29:59 Speaker 19: wanted to highlight a few kind

00:30:01 Speaker 19: of new and improved elements for

00:30:02 Speaker 19: the 2025 conference, and as a

00:30:04 Speaker 19: result. of some really great collabourations.

00:30:07 Speaker 19: So thanks to the city of

00:30:09 Speaker 19: Owensound, we had a perfect venue

00:30:11 Speaker 19: for the number of attendees that

00:30:13 Speaker 19: allowed for both indoor and outdoor

00:30:14 Speaker 19: sessions, and we had a beautiful

00:30:16 Speaker 19: day. Thanks to student feedback and

00:30:17 Speaker 19: through a youth advisory group, students

00:30:19 Speaker 19: actually joined sessions ahead of the

00:30:20 Speaker 19: conference to kind of give input

00:30:23 Speaker 19: on what worked well last year,

00:30:25 Speaker 19: and then we were able to

00:30:28 Speaker 19: incorporate that input this year to

00:30:30 Speaker 19: really make for really more engaging

00:30:32 Speaker 19: and relevant sessions. As Linda mentioned,

00:30:34 Speaker 19: thanks to so. To mention, thanks

00:30:37 Speaker 19: to Sauk Nation Environment Office staff,

00:30:39 Speaker 19: we were able to really get

00:30:40 Speaker 19: their input into the programmeming, which

00:30:42 Speaker 19: they described as kind of an

00:30:46 Speaker 19: unprecedented level of engagement. Thanks to

00:30:47 Speaker 19: our network of community volunteers, each

00:30:49 Speaker 19: school is matched with a community

00:30:51 Speaker 19: mentor to help support their action

00:30:52 Speaker 19: projects after the conference. And as

00:30:56 Speaker 19: Warda Matrasov mentioned, with a partnership

00:30:57 Speaker 19: with the Town of Blue Mountains

00:30:59 Speaker 19: Youth Climate Action Fund, we were

00:31:01 Speaker 19: able to bring those high school

00:31:02 Speaker 19: student leaders as well. Last year,

00:31:05 Speaker 19: many of the action projects were

00:31:07 Speaker 19: related to tree planting and naturalization.

00:31:09 Speaker 19: So we decided to have a

00:31:12 Speaker 19: dedicated workshop on how to plan,

00:31:14 Speaker 19: plant, and steward a planting project.

00:31:19 Speaker 19: And thanks to several partners and

00:31:20 Speaker 19: permission from the city, we planted

00:31:22 Speaker 19: a mini forest of 160 trees

00:31:23 Speaker 19: and shrubs on site between the

00:31:25 Speaker 19: Bayshore and the boat launch. Even

00:31:27 Speaker 19: more important than what happens at

00:31:30 Speaker 19: the conference is what happens after.

00:31:32 Speaker 19: So. the conference is really a

00:31:34 Speaker 19: launching point, giving the students the

00:31:37 Speaker 19: knowledge, skills, and inspiration to implement

00:31:40 Speaker 19: action projects in their schools and

00:31:41 Speaker 19: communities. We know that youth are

00:31:42 Speaker 19: experiencing quite a bit of climate

00:31:47 Speaker 19: anxiety, and we know that participating

00:31:49 Speaker 19: in these tangible action projects helps,

00:31:51 Speaker 19: and we can see that from

00:31:52 Speaker 19: the reports that we're getting back

00:31:54 Speaker 19: from their teachers following the projects.

00:31:56 Speaker 19: This past May, each school submitted

00:31:58 Speaker 19: a final report on their action.

00:32:00 Speaker 19: projects from last year. So although

00:32:03 Speaker 19: we don't have those reports yet

00:32:05 Speaker 19: for this year's conference, we have

00:32:06 Speaker 19: last year's numbers, and these numbers

00:32:08 Speaker 19: really demonstrate the ripple effect and

00:32:09 Speaker 19: are a testament to the impact.

00:32:11 Speaker 19: And now, with Rob's assistance, we're

00:33:25 Speaker 03: just going to share just a

00:33:28 Speaker 20: quick one-minute highlight reel just to

00:33:33 Speaker 20: give you a sense of the

00:33:34 Speaker 20: sense of the day. Thanks so

00:33:36 Speaker 20: much. Wonderful! I can see that

00:33:37 Speaker 20: video being an excellent tool for

00:33:42 Speaker 20: recruiting the next year. And with

00:33:45 Speaker 20: that, we also have some good

10.c National Housing Day

Council members celebrated National Housing Day by hosting hot chocolate stands at county buildings to raise awareness for safe and affordable housing across Canada. Staff presented updates on the Gray County housing action plan, which includes ongoing work regarding surplus lands in Markdale and Durham through 2026 while highlighting intent to build nonprofit sector capacity using a whole community approach. The presentation detailed social finance innovations such as community bond campaigns and revolving funds designed to provide seed funding for affordable rental initiatives despite income gaps between owners and renters.

00:33:48 Speaker 20: news also coming about National Housing

00:33:50 Speaker 20: Day. Into that, I will look

00:33:52 Speaker 21: to Director Shaw online. Good morning.

00:33:54 Speaker 21: Thank you. Good morning. Good morning.

00:33:56 Speaker 21: County Council. November twenty second was

00:33:58 Speaker 21: National Housing Day. It's a day

00:34:00 Speaker 21: dedicated to raising awareness about the

00:34:03 Speaker 21: importance of safe and affordable housing

00:34:05 Speaker 21: for all Canadians. It serves as

00:34:06 Speaker 21: a reminder of the ongoing housing

00:34:08 Speaker 21: crisis in Canada and the need

00:34:11 Speaker 21: for collabourative efforts to ensure that

00:34:13 Speaker 21: everyone has a place to call

00:34:16 Speaker 21: home. It is also time to

00:34:18 Speaker 21: reflect on what is being accomplished

00:34:20 Speaker 21: in our community and recognize the

00:34:22 Speaker 21: existing efforts for affordable housing and

00:34:25 Speaker 21: the people that. it it assists.

00:34:27 Speaker 21: In celebration, staff attended all of

00:34:28 Speaker 21: our buildings and set up hot

00:34:30 Speaker 21: chocolate stands for residents to enjoy

00:34:33 Speaker 21: and talk about what affordable housing

00:34:35 Speaker 21: means to them. I'd like to

00:34:37 Speaker 21: thank staff for all that they

00:34:44 Speaker 21: do every day to keep our

00:34:46 Speaker 21: buildings clean and safe, provide tenants

00:34:48 Speaker 02: with supports, keep our office running

00:34:50 Speaker 02: and inquiries answered, and provide services

00:34:51 Speaker 02: to people experiencing homelessness. Thank you.

00:34:55 Speaker 22: Okay, excellent. So with that, then

00:35:07 Speaker 14: that concludes the staff announcements that

00:35:10 Speaker 23: we have. So next, I'll look

00:35:12 Speaker 23: to county council members for any

00:35:13 Speaker 23: news they wish to share. We'll

00:35:15 Speaker 23: start with Councillor Kibney. Thank you,

00:35:18 Speaker 23: Warden Matroussov, and good morning, everyone.

00:35:20 Speaker 23: Next weekend. I know I've mentioned

00:35:23 Speaker 23: this before. Is our Christmas on

00:35:24 Speaker 23: the Bay from December fourth to

00:35:27 Speaker 23: the seventh, with our Kinsmen Santa

00:35:30 Speaker 23: Claus Parade on December the sixth,

00:35:32 Speaker 23: but and our Golden Aers Ladies

00:35:36 Speaker 23: Concert on the seventh at the

00:35:38 Speaker 23: United Church at two o'clock. But

00:35:41 Speaker 23: I also wanted to focus on

00:35:44 Speaker 23: Thursday. So next Thursday, December the

00:35:46 Speaker 23: fourth, is our second annual Spirit

00:35:48 Speaker 23: of Inclusion Concert. This one is

00:35:49 Speaker 23: entitled Joy and Harmony. Performers are

00:35:51 Speaker 23: coming from Reach, Events for Life,

00:35:54 Speaker 23: Dancing with Parkinson's, and the Roxy

00:35:55 Speaker 23: Star Company. And anyone who saw

00:35:58 Speaker 23: this last year, there wasn't a

00:36:00 Speaker 23: dry eye in the house. It

00:36:02 Speaker 23: was so touching. So I strongly

00:36:03 Speaker 23: encourage anyone who can to come

00:36:05 Speaker 23: and take in that concert. And

00:36:06 Speaker 23: also on the Sunday at Mifflin

00:36:09 Speaker 23: Hall, there's going to be a

00:36:10 Speaker 23: showing of One Magic Christmas, which

00:36:12 Speaker 23: is a movie that was filmed

00:36:14 Speaker 23: in Mifflin 40 years ago. So

00:36:16 Speaker 23: this is the 40th anniversary. and

00:36:17 Speaker 23: it was filmed in the old

00:36:23 Speaker 24: food land and the Bank of

00:36:27 Speaker 24: Montreal and so on in Nefford.

00:36:29 Speaker 25: So that's also a special event.

00:36:32 Speaker 25: So lots to do in Nefford

00:36:34 Speaker 25: next weekend. Thank you. Thank you.

00:36:36 Speaker 25: And other news. We'll go to

00:36:37 Speaker 25: Councillor Carleton. Thank you, Warden Matress

00:36:39 Speaker 25: House. Tomorrow night, Friday, November 28,

00:36:42 Speaker 25: starting at six o'clock at Shallow

00:36:43 Speaker 25: Lake Community Centre, is Sparkle and

00:36:46 Speaker 25: Skate. So. we have two large

00:36:48 Speaker 25: trees out front that will get

00:36:50 Speaker 25: lit up. There are vendors in

00:36:52 Speaker 25: the upstairs and from Georgian Bluffs,

00:36:54 Speaker 25: so there'll be lots of things

00:36:58 Speaker 25: on sale. There's the minor hockey

00:36:59 Speaker 25: has the food booth running, and

00:37:01 Speaker 25: there will be the opportunity to

00:37:03 Speaker 25: skate with your family. So that

00:37:04 Speaker 02: starts at six o'clock tomorrow night.

00:37:07 Speaker 02: Excellent, thank you. And I'll keep

00:37:09 Speaker 02: an eye out for any hands

00:37:10 Speaker 02: raised online. I'll just look to

00:37:17 Speaker 02: the those that are in person

00:37:19 Speaker 10: if they're. Those that are in

00:37:23 Speaker 10: person, if there are any other

00:37:26 Speaker 10: news to share, oh, we'll go

00:37:28 Speaker 10: to Councillor Eccles, and then I'll

00:37:29 Speaker 10: go to anyone online. There is

00:37:32 Speaker 10: numerous tree lightings in the municipality

00:37:33 Speaker 10: of West Grey, starting yes this

00:37:34 Speaker 10: weekend in Elmwood and Aiton. You

00:37:37 Speaker 10: may have to speed to

00:37:40 Speaker 10: get to both them. Ones at

00:37:44 Speaker 10: five thirty and ones at six

00:37:47 Speaker 10: o'clock. So depending on how quickly

00:37:50 Speaker 10: the light. Depending on how quick

00:37:55 Speaker 10: the lights get on, and you

00:38:02 Speaker 10: can get from Elmwood to Aiton

00:38:05 Speaker 10: in the following weekend. Following Thursday,

00:38:07 Speaker 10: December fourth is tree lighting in

00:38:09 Speaker 10: Durham, and then the Santa Claus

00:38:11 Speaker 10: parade is on Saturday afternoon, Saturday

00:38:15 Speaker 10: at noon, hosted by our firefighters,

00:38:17 Speaker 10: and then on Sunday, the evening.

00:38:21 Speaker 10: parade in Newstead, December the seventh.

00:38:22 Speaker 10: They have an evening parade, so

00:38:23 Speaker 10: all the lights are sparkling and

00:38:27 Speaker 10: whatnot. And then the tree lighting

00:38:28 Speaker 10: in front of the Newstead Community

00:38:29 Speaker 10: Centre after the parade. So, if

00:38:31 Speaker 10: you haven't got Christmased out, Miss

00:38:32 Speaker 10: Kevney and Neeford, come on down

00:38:35 Speaker 10: and share some time in West

00:38:38 Speaker 10: Grey as well, too. Thank you.

00:38:39 Speaker 26: And I think there'll be plenty

00:38:41 Speaker 26: of snow to share all the

00:38:42 Speaker 26: way around as. Know to share

00:38:44 Speaker 26: all the way around as well.

00:38:45 Speaker 26: So many choices. We'll go to

00:38:47 Speaker 26: I'll go online then. I'll go

00:38:48 Speaker 26: to Councillor Borden first, and then

00:38:51 Speaker 26: to Councillor Nielsen. Thank you, Madam

00:38:52 Speaker 26: Warden. Through you to County Council.

00:38:54 Speaker 26: If you feel like travelling just

00:38:55 Speaker 26: a further east, we have a

00:38:57 Speaker 26: couple events coming up for the

00:39:00 Speaker 26: first two weekends of December. Of

00:39:01 Speaker 26: course, we start with Clarksville. We

00:39:03 Speaker 26: have the Christmas stroll on Friday,

00:39:05 Speaker 26: December fifth, five to late, with

00:39:07 Speaker 26: the tree lighting at the Saint

00:39:09 Speaker 26: George's at eight thirty, and then

00:39:10 Speaker 26: the Christmas market the next day.

00:39:12 Speaker 26: The following week, we have our

00:39:14 Speaker 26: own warden acting as our mayor

00:39:16 Speaker 26: lighting the tree again at for

00:39:17 Speaker 26: old-fashioned Christmas in downtown Thornburg where

00:39:20 Speaker 26: we do close the street and

00:39:21 Speaker 26: have all the shops open and

00:39:22 Speaker 26: just it's a great family atmosphere

00:39:25 Speaker 26: to come out for that that's

00:39:28 Speaker 26: on the following Saturday and then

00:39:30 Speaker 26: I believe on the Sunday there

00:39:32 Speaker 27: is Christmas cheer at the local

00:39:34 Speaker 27: at the local Legion in downtown

00:39:36 Speaker 27: Clarksville so lots going on over

00:39:37 Speaker 27: the next couple of weeks as

00:39:39 Speaker 27: we build up to the holiday

00:39:41 Speaker 27: season thank you Councillor Nielsen. Thank

00:39:43 Speaker 27: you very much, Ward Matrosov. Just

00:39:45 Speaker 27: wanted a shout out to a

00:39:47 Speaker 27: local organisation in Grey Highlands, the

00:39:49 Speaker 27: Hanley Institute. Last Thursday, it was

00:39:50 Speaker 27: the recipient of the Peace Medal

00:39:52 Speaker 27: from the YMCA, and it was

00:39:54 Speaker 27: a a pleasure to be there

00:39:55 Speaker 27: in attendance as the Hanley Institute

00:39:56 Speaker 27: was awarded that. My children, my

00:40:00 Speaker 27: wife, and myself all, in some

00:40:01 Speaker 27: way or another, volunteer and participate

00:40:03 Speaker 27: with the Hanley Institute. It's a

00:40:05 Speaker 27: pleasure to have that organisation in

00:40:06 Speaker 27: Grey Highlands and in Flesherton servicing

00:40:10 Speaker 28: all the youth. So I just

00:40:13 Speaker 28: wanted to. Servicing all the youth,

00:40:15 Speaker 28: so I just want to give

00:40:17 Speaker 28: them a big shout out and

00:40:18 Speaker 28: a big hug. Thank you, and

00:40:20 Speaker 29: we'll go to the deputy warden.

00:40:23 Speaker 29: Thank you, Madam Warden, and I

00:40:27 Speaker 29: just wanted to relate that if

00:40:29 Speaker 29: you want to hear a reading

00:40:35 Speaker 29: of the Christmas Carol at the

00:40:39 Speaker 29: Egremont Optimist Club, with the readings

00:40:40 Speaker 29: will take place on the fifth

00:40:44 Speaker 29: and sixth of December. That's the

00:40:45 Speaker 29: Friday night and Saturday night. And

00:40:48 Speaker 29: if you want to hear a

00:40:49 Speaker 30: really good rendition of Jacob. Mole,

00:40:52 Speaker 30: you might want to come and

00:40:53 Speaker 30: watch because I'm going to be

00:40:55 Speaker 30: doing that part. Scrooge. Enough said.

00:40:57 Speaker 30: Thank you. Thank you. I'll cut

00:40:58 Speaker 30: your mic off at this point,

00:41:00 Speaker 30: and we'll go to we'll go

00:41:02 Speaker 30: to Councillor McQueen, and then back

00:41:06 Speaker 30: over to Councillor Carlton. Thank you,

00:41:08 Speaker 30: Madam Ward, and good morning, County

00:41:09 Speaker 30: Council. A couple Santa Claus. three

00:41:12 Speaker 30: Santa Claus parades going to be

00:41:16 Speaker 30: happening in Gray Highlands first Friday

00:41:17 Speaker 30: night, and in Markdale it's going

00:41:19 Speaker 30: to be an evening parade. It

00:41:23 Speaker 30: starts at six o'clock. St. Hampton

00:41:24 Speaker 30: is going to have their evening

00:41:28 Speaker 30: parade in Farmers Market, five thirty

00:41:29 Speaker 30: in St. Hampton, which is sort

00:41:30 Speaker 30: of a coalition between Gray Highlands

00:41:35 Speaker 25: and and Clearview, Gray and Simcoe

00:41:37 Speaker 25: getting together, and and ends up

00:41:38 Speaker 25: at the fire hall for hot

00:41:40 Speaker 25: chocolate and hot dogs, and then

00:41:42 Speaker 25: on. Sunday, the seventh of December,

00:41:44 Speaker 25: the Kinsmen and Feversham will be

00:41:48 Speaker 25: having their parade at ten o'clock.

00:41:50 Speaker 25: Well, lots of things. Lots of

00:41:52 Speaker 25: Santa Claus is being busy throughout

00:41:54 Speaker 25: Gray County. Thank you, Warden. I've

00:41:57 Speaker 25: realized that I missed two events

00:41:59 Speaker 25: that will take place before our

00:42:02 Speaker 25: next County Council meeting. So, December

00:42:04 Speaker 25: sixth, Cobble Beach has a tree

00:42:10 Speaker 25: lighting. They will have horse drawn

00:42:12 Speaker 25: rides, wagon rides, and hot chocolate

00:42:14 Speaker 25: on hand for every. Hot chocolate

00:42:15 Speaker 25: on hand for everyone, starting at

00:42:17 Speaker 02: six o'clock, I believe. And downtown

00:42:18 Speaker 02: Shallow Lake will have mingle and

00:42:20 Speaker 02: jingle with the residents and the

00:42:23 Speaker 02: businesses of Shallow Lake getting together,

00:42:27 Speaker 02: with Santa arriving later in the

00:42:28 Speaker 02: evening. So that'll be December sixth.

00:42:29 Speaker 02: Thank you. Anything else? Looks like

00:42:31 Speaker 02: we've got it all. Okay, so

00:42:47 Speaker 14: with that, then, in order to

00:42:49 Speaker 02: close off this meeting, then I'll

00:42:51 Speaker 02: make a call out for a

00:42:52 Speaker 02: motion to adjourn. may ask for

00:42:53 Speaker 02: a mover. Move by Councillor McQueen,

00:42:55 Speaker 02: seconder, seconded by Councillor Kevany. Any

00:42:58 Speaker 02: discussion? All those in favour? And

00:43:00 Speaker 02: that motion is carried. We'll give

00:43:04 Speaker 02: a moment to switch the technology

00:43:05 Speaker 02: over to Committee of the Whole.

00:43:08 Speaker 02: Okay, so I'd like to call

00:43:10 Speaker 02: to order this committee, the whole

00:43:11 Speaker 02: meeting of November twenty seventh, twenty

00:43:14 Speaker 02: twenty five. At this point in

00:43:15 Speaker 02: time, on this agenda, I'll put

00:43:18 Speaker 02: out a call for any declarations

00:43:20 Speaker 02: of interest. Seeing no hands in

00:43:23 Speaker 02: the chamber or online, we'll go

00:43:24 Speaker 02: to business arising for minutes. Seeing

00:43:29 Speaker 31: nothing, we'll go to. We do

00:43:34 Speaker 31: not have any delegations scheduled today,

00:43:41 Speaker 32: and next we will move on

00:43:45 Speaker 32: to item five, which is to

00:43:49 Speaker 32: determine any items for separate discussion.

00:43:51 Speaker 32: So, if we look at the

00:43:52 Speaker 32: consent agenda, we have four different

00:43:55 Speaker 32: reports listed under six. Are there

00:44:03 Speaker 33: any that Council Member, a Committee,

00:44:06 Speaker 33: the whole member would like to

00:44:09 Speaker 02: pull for separate discussion? Okay. Yes,

00:44:12 Speaker 02: Councillor McKay. Yeah, I wonder if

00:44:14 Speaker 02: we'd discuss more on six B.

00:44:16 Speaker 02: Six B is in Bob. D

00:44:18 Speaker 02: is in dog. Dog. Okay, David.

00:44:20 Speaker 02: Thank you. D is in David.

00:44:22 Speaker 02: Okay, so six D we will

00:44:24 Speaker 02: pull for separate discussion, and anything

00:44:26 Speaker 02: else. Okay, I'm not seeing any

00:44:28 Speaker 02: further hands in, so it is

00:44:30 Speaker 02: recommended. Item six is recommended that

00:44:31 Speaker 02: the following consentage items be consent.

00:44:33 Speaker 02: agenda items be received and that

00:44:37 Speaker 02: staff be authorised to take the

00:44:39 Speaker 02: actions necessary to give effect to

00:44:48 Speaker 02: the recommendations and staff reports and

00:44:50 Speaker 02: that the correspondence be supported and

00:44:52 Speaker 02: received for information as recommended in

00:44:54 Speaker 02: the consent agenda. This is for

00:44:57 Speaker 02: items six A, B, and

00:44:59 Speaker 02: C. D will be for further

00:45:03 Speaker 02: discussion. So may I ask for

00:45:05 Speaker 02: a mover? Move by Councillor Patterson,

00:45:07 Speaker 02: seconded by Councillor Dobrin. Any discussion?

00:45:10 Speaker 02: All those in favour? And that

00:45:11 Speaker 02: is carried. Okay, so we'll go

00:45:14 Speaker 02: to the items listed in seven

00:45:16 Speaker 02: before we return back to

00:45:19 Speaker 02: sixty. So we'll go to seven

00:45:22 Speaker 02: A. It's recommended that the Planning

00:45:24 Speaker 02: and Economic Development Advisory Committee meeting

00:45:26 Speaker 02: minutes, dated November sixth, twenty twenty

00:45:32 Speaker 02: six, twenty twenty five. That should

00:45:34 Speaker 02: be be adopted as presented and

00:45:35 Speaker 02: fall and the following resolutions there.

00:45:40 Speaker 02: And the following resolutions therein be

00:45:41 Speaker 02: endorsed. That the report E D

00:45:42 Speaker 02: T C P E D A

00:45:44 Speaker 02: C thirteen twenty five regarding the

00:45:46 Speaker 34: Economic Development Tourism and Cultural Culture

00:45:48 Speaker 34: Strategic Progress Report November twenty twenty

00:45:52 Speaker 34: five be received for information. May

00:45:54 Speaker 34: ask for a mover and a

00:45:56 Speaker 34: seconder. Moved by Councillor Patterson, seconded

00:45:57 Speaker 34: by seconded by Councillor Pringle. It's

00:45:59 Speaker 34: now on the floor for discussion.

00:46:01 Speaker 34: So I'll call up Director Myers.

00:46:02 Speaker 34: Thank you, through you, Madam Warden.

00:46:04 Speaker 34: I'm going to start us off,

00:46:06 Speaker 34: and then Scott is going to

00:46:10 Speaker 34: finish up with a conversation about

00:46:11 Speaker 34: Bill 60. I'm not touching that

00:46:13 Speaker 34: one. So we had another great

00:46:14 Speaker 34: Planning and Economic Development Committee meeting.

00:46:16 Speaker 34: It was really good, and I

00:46:19 Speaker 34: appreciate that it says 2026 in

00:46:21 Speaker 34: the minutes because I wrote this

00:46:23 Speaker 34: entire report as 2026 because we're

00:46:25 Speaker 34: so embedded in thinking of next

00:46:27 Speaker 34: year at this point in time.

00:46:28 Speaker 34: But this really was our final.

00:46:32 Speaker 34: report to PDAC on progress from

00:46:34 Speaker 34: 2025. There will be another

00:46:36 Speaker 34: annual report, so our

00:46:39 Speaker 34: second annual report will come

00:46:41 Speaker 34: to you in January, February of

00:46:45 Speaker 34: next year, to talk about everything

00:46:46 Speaker 34: from January through December. But this

00:46:47 Speaker 34: one goes from August to November,

00:46:49 Speaker 34: and it really was focused on

00:46:51 Speaker 34: our continued drive towards the progress

00:46:53 Speaker 34: around the theme of study in

00:46:55 Speaker 34: year two of master plan delivery.

00:46:56 Speaker 34: So since August, our team has

00:46:58 Speaker 34: been really focused on that. study

00:46:59 Speaker 34: theme: understanding consumer behaviour, evaluating site-specific

00:47:00 Speaker 34: readiness, analysing broader provincial/national trends, and

00:47:01 Speaker 34: trialing new programme offerings. We also

00:47:03 Speaker 34: talked a little bit about some

00:47:05 Speaker 34: of the lean work that our

00:47:07 Speaker 34: department has been doing, and we

00:47:10 Speaker 34: did our very first EDTC team

00:47:12 Speaker 34: building and development day, which we

00:47:13 Speaker 34: hosted as a grateful gathering. And

00:47:16 Speaker 34: we were on a bus and

00:47:17 Speaker 34: we toured South Grey. We will

00:47:19 Speaker 34: hit North Grey next year, but

00:47:21 Speaker 34: it was a really great opportunity

00:47:22 Speaker 34: to get out, get our feet

00:47:25 Speaker 34: on the ground, go see. all

00:47:26 Speaker 34: the different elements of our department

00:47:29 Speaker 34: as a broader team, and just

00:47:30 Speaker 34: celebrate together. So that was wonderful.

00:47:31 Speaker 34: We also did another training in

00:47:33 Speaker 34: November on Lean. So we've now

00:47:34 Speaker 34: done four different, I guess, buckets

00:47:35 Speaker 34: of Lean training, which we're getting

00:47:39 Speaker 34: more excited about every time we

00:47:41 Speaker 34: go down this path, and we're

00:47:43 Speaker 34: starting to use that work already,

00:47:44 Speaker 34: which is really exciting. So

00:47:46 Speaker 34: we did complete all of our

00:47:48 Speaker 34: job reviews and restructurings underway, so

00:47:50 Speaker 34: that we can achieve that highest

00:47:53 Speaker 34: and best value for human resources.

00:47:55 Speaker 34: and that's something that

00:47:57 Speaker 34: we talked about yesterday in the

00:47:59 Speaker 34: Budget and Finance Committee, and we'll

00:48:00 Speaker 34: talk about again when we go

00:48:01 Speaker 34: through budget in December. But the

00:48:03 Speaker 34: most notable improvements have been that

00:48:05 Speaker 34: we're really coming together to find

00:48:07 Speaker 34: more alignment right across the department,

00:48:08 Speaker 34: efficiencies, and cross departmental collabouration. So

00:48:10 Speaker 34: that's making the best time of

00:48:13 Speaker 34: our staff time and resources. In

00:48:15 Speaker 34: terms of priority one, leadership and

00:48:17 Speaker 34: collabouration, we hosted another successful Economic

00:48:18 Speaker 34: Development Leadership Forum. This was the

00:48:19 Speaker 34: largest one yet, the most. energy

00:48:21 Speaker 34: in the room. I'm still getting

00:48:23 Speaker 34: my voice back from yelling over

00:48:24 Speaker 34: that crowd of more than 90

00:48:25 Speaker 34: people who were very excited and

00:48:27 Speaker 34: engaged. So it's really nice to

00:48:28 Speaker 34: see this continue, the progress, continue

00:48:30 Speaker 34: the conversations, the education and training

00:48:32 Speaker 34: where we can all come together

00:48:33 Speaker 34: and share in that mindset to

00:48:37 Speaker 34: grow, to ask questions, and to

00:48:38 Speaker 34: not be afraid to challenge one

00:48:39 Speaker 34: another. I think that's a really

00:48:40 Speaker 34: positive thing coming out of these

00:48:43 Speaker 34: events, and the fact that they

00:48:45 Speaker 34: now include all of senior management

00:48:48 Speaker 34: teams as well from each municipality

00:48:49 Speaker 34: is important. So we're all speaking

00:48:50 Speaker 34: the same language because economic development

00:48:51 Speaker 34: doesn't stop at an economic development

00:48:53 Speaker 34: title; it hits every single one

00:48:54 Speaker 34: of us. The Team Gray MOU—that

00:48:58 Speaker 34: is a project that has been

00:49:00 Speaker 34: on my plate and that will

00:49:02 Speaker 34: be coming to you next month

00:49:03 Speaker 34: as well. That has gone through

00:49:04 Speaker 34: a lot of conversation with your

00:49:06 Speaker 34: CIOs, with your economic development staff,

00:49:07 Speaker 34: multiple rounds of engagement. So we

00:49:10 Speaker 34: think that we're at a point

00:49:11 Speaker 34: now where we've got a good

00:49:14 Speaker 34: draft to bring forward and present

00:49:15 Speaker 34: to you, and that really is

00:49:17 Speaker 34: meant to kind of hone. our

00:49:19 Speaker 34: skill of working collabouratively, and so

00:49:21 Speaker 34: put something on paper that gives

00:49:23 Speaker 34: us a commitment as the county

00:49:24 Speaker 34: to each of your municipalities and

00:49:27 Speaker 34: your municipalities to the county, and

00:49:28 Speaker 34: how we're going to do economic

00:49:30 Speaker 34: development and investment readiness together. So

00:49:32 Speaker 34: there will be a fulsome report

00:49:34 Speaker 34: coming forward in a couple weeks.

00:49:35 Speaker 34: We looked at business retention and

00:49:36 Speaker 34: expansion, talked about sector scans and

00:49:37 Speaker 34: the ongoing uncertainty around tariffs, how

00:49:40 Speaker 34: difficult that is on our businesses.

00:49:42 Speaker 34: The one thing that we will

00:49:43 Speaker 34: highlight, and we did talk about

00:49:45 Speaker 34: it then. we're not hearing the

00:49:46 Speaker 34: same kind of impact as

00:49:49 Speaker 34: other areas because we are a

00:49:51 Speaker 34: diversified economy. That is something that

00:49:53 Speaker 34: all of our teams, locally in

00:49:55 Speaker 34: your municipalities and at the county,

00:49:57 Speaker 34: have strived for to make sure

00:49:59 Speaker 34: we don't have all of our

00:50:01 Speaker 34: eggs in one bucket. So

00:50:03 Speaker 34: even though there is absolutely uncertainty

00:50:05 Speaker 34: out there, we just want to

00:50:07 Speaker 34: know where is it going to

00:50:09 Speaker 34: land so that people can make

00:50:11 Speaker 34: decisions, those long-term investment decisions, hiring

00:50:13 Speaker 34: decisions around workforce, all of those

00:50:16 Speaker 34: pieces. That's where we're seeing the

00:50:17 Speaker 34: greatest uncertainty for tariffs. Our work

00:50:19 Speaker 34: with Georgian College is continuing. We

00:50:22 Speaker 34: had a great experience at

00:50:24 Speaker 34: AMO. I think that really landed

00:50:25 Speaker 34: well with the Ministry of Colleges,

00:50:27 Speaker 34: Universities, Research Excellence, and Security. It's

00:50:30 Speaker 34: a long name for Ministry, but

00:50:32 Speaker 34: they absolutely understand where we're coming

00:50:36 Speaker 34: from, the importance of our rural-serving

00:50:38 Speaker 34: campuses, and what that means for

00:50:39 Speaker 34: the region when we have really,

00:50:41 Speaker 34: truly fine-tuned exactly what programmemes are

00:50:44 Speaker 34: going to be delivered because that's

00:50:45 Speaker 34: what's needed here in this region.

00:50:48 Speaker 34: From the business. Enterprise Centre, Courtney

00:50:50 Speaker 34: provided a presentation on the work

00:50:51 Speaker 34: to date and talked about the

00:50:54 Speaker 34: trends that we're seeing in those

00:50:55 Speaker 34: couple of months. She had 134

00:50:57 Speaker 34: inquiries, 44 consultations were conducted. There

00:50:59 Speaker 34: were many workshops. There's a lot

00:51:01 Speaker 34: going on in the small business

00:51:04 Speaker 34: world. There's a lot of interest.

00:51:07 Speaker 34: It absolutely ebbs and flows, and

00:51:08 Speaker 34: there seems to be a trend

00:51:09 Speaker 34: now going towards that—not necessarily a

00:51:11 Speaker 34: second career, but what can you

00:51:13 Speaker 34: do on the side, a side

00:51:15 Speaker 34: hustle? As the economy tightens, that

00:51:18 Speaker 34: has been where we have seen

00:51:20 Speaker 34: some shifts happening. But the interest

00:51:22 Speaker 34: does not stop, and bricks and

00:51:23 Speaker 34: mortar again is becoming more popular.

00:51:24 Speaker 34: So that is a positive. With

00:51:26 Speaker 34: Sydney Campus, we hired or we

00:51:27 Speaker 34: highlighted that we had in the

00:51:29 Speaker 34: month of September more than four

00:51:30 Speaker 34: thousand people came through that door.

00:51:33 Speaker 34: So it is going very very

00:51:35 Speaker 34: well. A couple of large scale

00:51:36 Speaker 34: events. There were eighty rentals during

00:51:37 Speaker 34: that period, and. the maker space

00:51:38 Speaker 34: has also exceeded 100 members. So

00:51:39 Speaker 34: that was the goal when they

00:51:42 Speaker 34: launched. Within the first year, it

00:51:43 Speaker 34: was a year and I think

00:51:45 Speaker 34: two months, and they made it

00:51:47 Speaker 34: to 100 members, which is phenomenal.

00:51:49 Speaker 34: So we're very proud of the

00:51:50 Speaker 34: work they're doing. Kalina also took

00:51:51 Speaker 34: us through a long conversation about

00:51:54 Speaker 34: data because that was a question

00:51:56 Speaker 34: that we had at the last

00:51:58 Speaker 34: PDC meeting. So we came back

00:52:01 Speaker 34: with something a little bit more

00:52:03 Speaker 34: fulsome to talk about where are

00:52:04 Speaker 34: we focusing on in terms of

00:52:06 Speaker 34: those KPIs? Because really, at the

00:52:07 Speaker 34: end of the day, we have

00:52:09 Speaker 34: the opportunity to decide what do

00:52:11 Speaker 34: we want to track, what actually

00:52:13 Speaker 34: matters to us in the work

00:52:15 Speaker 34: that we're trying to advance, and

00:52:17 Speaker 34: the focus around those KPIs was

00:52:19 Speaker 34: website engagement, brand awareness, visitor and

00:52:21 Speaker 34: business support, and the storytelling impact.

00:52:23 Speaker 34: So there's lots pages of details

00:52:25 Speaker 34: if you want in the report

00:52:26 Speaker 34: that you can take a look

00:52:28 Speaker 34: at. But all that to say,

00:52:29 Speaker 34: we've definitely seen dips in some

00:52:32 Speaker 34: areas because we're trialing new things.

00:52:34 Speaker 34: We've seen incredible and explosive growth

00:52:37 Speaker 34: in others. So that's why we

00:52:39 Speaker 34: continue to study and. understand what

00:52:40 Speaker 34: is going to land. We also

00:52:43 Speaker 34: shared the new look of the

00:52:45 Speaker 34: Visit Gray website, which is very

00:52:47 Speaker 34: exciting. It's been ten years that

00:52:49 Speaker 34: we've had the same Visit Gray

00:52:51 Speaker 34: website, the same brand. We thought

00:52:52 Speaker 34: it was time for a refresh.

00:52:54 Speaker 34: So Gather is now the new

00:52:55 Speaker 34: look and feel of Visit Gray

00:52:57 Speaker 34: as a whole. And finally, turning

00:52:59 Speaker 34: to Gray Roots, we talked about

00:53:01 Speaker 34: leadership and collabouration in terms of

00:53:03 Speaker 34: the expert stewards. We have officially

00:53:04 Speaker 34: officially launched the Gray Gallery. which

00:53:06 Speaker 34: has been years in the making.

00:53:08 Speaker 34: We received over three hundred and

00:53:10 Speaker 34: fifty-five thousand dollars in federal support

00:53:12 Speaker 34: to make that project happen. We

00:53:14 Speaker 34: have set ourselves up for the

00:53:15 Speaker 34: long term. The way that it

00:53:16 Speaker 34: has been designed gives us the

00:53:17 Speaker 34: ability to change the look, the

00:53:20 Speaker 34: field, the design, the size, and

00:53:21 Speaker 34: scope without having to rebuild anything.

00:53:22 Speaker 34: So that's what we were looking

00:53:25 Speaker 34: for: was a sustainable build. And

00:53:27 Speaker 34: what that did was transition us

00:53:29 Speaker 34: from the old Gray Gallery had

00:53:31 Speaker 34: ninety-four artifacts. Now we have three

00:53:33 Speaker 34: hundred and four artifacts. in there.

00:53:34 Speaker 34: So the intent is to get

00:53:36 Speaker 34: more out to the public instead

00:53:38 Speaker 34: of having it in the back

00:53:41 Speaker 34: of the house where it's being

00:53:42 Speaker 34: protected. But now it can be

00:53:44 Speaker 34: a story around it, and we

00:53:46 Speaker 34: can learn more about Gray. We

00:53:50 Speaker 34: also talked about the partnership with

00:53:52 Speaker 34: the corporation as a whole and

00:53:54 Speaker 34: hosting the very first Truth and

00:53:55 Speaker 34: Reconciliation Day for staff at Gray

00:53:59 Speaker 34: Roots, which was phenomenal, and we

00:54:04 Speaker 34: look forward to building on that

00:54:06 Speaker 34: event as we go forward. And

00:54:09 Speaker 34: then just the highlight around that

00:54:10 Speaker 34: Lean project. that we did in

00:54:11 Speaker 34: the summer for the village and

00:54:13 Speaker 34: the volunteer impact we had over

00:54:15 Speaker 34: 1,100 hours, so 360 volunteer shifts

00:54:17 Speaker 34: over the course of the summer,

00:54:18 Speaker 34: which was averaging 40 shifts per

00:54:20 Speaker 34: week. And the visitation impact we

00:54:21 Speaker 34: had more than 9,200 visitors through

00:54:23 Speaker 34: Morriston, and 5,414 visitors participated in

00:54:25 Speaker 34: the engagement activities. More than half

00:54:26 Speaker 34: of them actually hands-on, so we

00:54:28 Speaker 34: we know that we've hit the

00:54:30 Speaker 34: mark and we. look forward to

00:54:32 Speaker 34: continuing that next year. So, as

00:54:35 Speaker 34: we continue to prioritize our programmeming

00:54:36 Speaker 34: and operations review, we're looking at

00:54:38 Speaker 34: how we do exhibits. We're looking

00:54:39 Speaker 34: at how we do events to

00:54:40 Speaker 34: make sure that we are doing

00:54:51 Speaker 35: the best that we can with

00:54:53 Speaker 35: fewer resources, because we don't always

00:54:56 Speaker 36: need to go big to have

00:54:57 Speaker 36: a good impact. So that has

00:54:58 Speaker 36: been a real shift, and a

00:54:59 Speaker 36: great roundtable to end out that

00:55:01 Speaker 36: meeting, listening to success stories from

00:55:03 Speaker 36: Georgian College and from others, and

00:55:05 Speaker 36: just sharing initiatives for awareness. So

00:55:07 Speaker 36: I will. end it there and

00:55:09 Speaker 36: turn it over to Scott to

00:55:11 Speaker 36: talk about Bill 60. All right,

00:55:13 Speaker 36: thanks, Savannah. Good morning, Ward Matrosa,

00:55:15 Speaker 36: and members of Council. I realize

00:55:17 Speaker 36: Council has stopped believing me when

00:55:19 Speaker 36: I say this, but I promise

00:55:21 Speaker 36: I will keep this one brief.

00:55:23 Speaker 36: I mean it this time. So

00:55:26 Speaker 36: at PDAC, we did have the

00:55:28 Speaker 36: the Bill 60 presentation, which touched

00:55:30 Speaker 36: on the potential changes, both. in

00:55:31 Speaker 36: the planning sphere, the transportation sphere,

00:55:32 Speaker 36: and the housing sphere, council should

00:55:33 Speaker 36: be well aware of this because

00:55:35 Speaker 36: we had a similar presentation on

00:55:37 Speaker 36: November the 13th at the committee

00:55:39 Speaker 36: of the whole meeting, and and

00:55:40 Speaker 36: just as a bit of an

00:55:42 Speaker 36: update on Bill 60 on November

00:55:43 Speaker 36: 24th, so Monday of this week,

00:55:46 Speaker 36: the the province Bill 60 did

00:55:47 Speaker 36: receive third reading. So we haven't

00:55:48 Speaker 36: been able to find a final

00:55:50 Speaker 36: version of the bill yet to

00:55:52 Speaker 36: see if there was anything that

00:55:53 Speaker 36: was changed from from the initial

00:55:56 Speaker 36: draft that was released. but we

00:55:57 Speaker 36: are actively monitoring that. As you

00:56:01 Speaker 36: may be aware, if you were

00:56:02 Speaker 36: scanning your inboxes late Saturday afternoon,

00:56:04 Speaker 36: the county was able to submit

00:56:06 Speaker 36: comments. So thank you for council

00:56:08 Speaker 36: support in in submitting comments to

00:56:10 Speaker 36: the province in that regard. And

00:56:11 Speaker 36: and some of the comments we

00:56:12 Speaker 36: submitted were on the legislative changes

00:56:14 Speaker 36: in Bill sixty itself, and some

00:56:15 Speaker 36: of the comments were on some

00:56:20 Speaker 36: other related consultations. For so for

00:56:24 Speaker 36: some of those related consultations, there

00:56:26 Speaker 36: may still be avenues to to

00:56:27 Speaker 36: go back and forth with the

00:56:29 Speaker 02: province and and put forward. Gray's

00:56:31 Speaker 02: point of view there with respect

00:56:33 Speaker 02: to those potential impacts, both positive

00:56:34 Speaker 02: and potentially negative, on the county

00:56:41 Speaker 02: and the member municipalities. So, with

00:56:42 Speaker 02: that, turn it back to you,

00:56:45 Speaker 02: Madam Warden, and be happy to

00:56:48 Speaker 02: take any questions if there are

00:56:49 Speaker 02: any. Okay, I'll look online, and

00:56:51 Speaker 02: I will look over here, and

00:56:53 Speaker 02: I'm actually not seeing questions come

00:56:56 Speaker 02: forward. So, thank you very much

00:56:58 Speaker 02: for providing that information. It has

00:57:00 Speaker 02: been moved and seconded. We've also

00:57:03 Speaker 02: heard further verbal updates. So I'll

00:57:06 Speaker 02: call the question. All those in

00:57:07 Speaker 02: favour? And that motion is carried.

00:57:09 Speaker 02: Next, we'll move on to item

00:57:12 Speaker 02: seven B. It's recommended that report

00:57:14 Speaker 02: PDRCW sixty four twenty five is

00:57:21 Speaker 02: received, and that a copy of

00:57:24 Speaker 37: this report be shared to the

00:57:25 Speaker 37: member municipalities within Gray County, and

00:57:48 Speaker 37: with MPs MPPs for Gray Bruce

00:57:51 Speaker 38: Owen Sound and Simcoe Gray for

00:57:54 Speaker 38: information purposes. May I ask for

00:57:55 Speaker 38: a mover and a seconder? Move

00:57:56 Speaker 38: by Councillor Nielsen, and seconded by

00:57:57 Speaker 38: Councillor Dobrin. It's now on the

00:57:59 Speaker 38: floor for discussion. And with that,

00:58:02 Speaker 38: then I will invite our senior

00:58:04 Speaker 38: policy planner, Liz Buxton, to come

00:58:06 Speaker 38: speak to it. Wonderful. Thank you

00:58:09 Speaker 38: very much. Welcome to be here

00:58:10 Speaker 38: today. We'll just be to get

00:58:13 Speaker 38: the presentation ordered there. Thank you

00:58:15 Speaker 38: very much. Okay, minor technical difficulties,

00:58:16 Speaker 38: but we're on. We're ready to

00:58:19 Speaker 38: go. So thank you so much.

00:58:20 Speaker 38: Really glad to be here today.

00:58:23 Speaker 38: A little bit of a snowy

00:58:24 Speaker 38: day, but glad to make. the

00:58:26 Speaker 38: the trip over from from Aitford,

00:58:28 Speaker 38: where where I am, and my

00:58:30 Speaker 38: neighbour, Councillor Kentner, has also made

00:58:31 Speaker 38: the trip. So that's good; we're

00:58:33 Speaker 38: in sync. So today, I just

00:58:38 Speaker 38: i I wanted to speak through

00:58:41 Speaker 38: the report that has been shared

00:58:43 Speaker 38: within the package. This does offer

00:58:47 Speaker 38: an update regarding the housing action

00:58:48 Speaker 38: plan and various actions that have

00:58:49 Speaker 38: been happening under that portfolio over

00:58:51 Speaker 38: the past year. And just for

00:58:54 Speaker 38: reference, here have noted the recommendation

00:58:55 Speaker 38: of that report with. Of that

00:58:57 Speaker 38: report, which is that be received

00:58:59 Speaker 38: for information, and as noted, that

00:59:01 Speaker 38: we will share that on to

00:59:05 Speaker 38: the member municipalities and the MPs

00:59:07 Speaker 38: and MPPs for their information as

00:59:08 Speaker 38: well. So my presentation will follow

00:59:10 Speaker 38: fairly closely in terms of the

00:59:12 Speaker 38: structure of the report. And firstly,

00:59:15 Speaker 38: I guess what I just wanted

00:59:17 Speaker 38: to offer is just a little

00:59:18 Speaker 38: bit of background information to to

00:59:19 Speaker 38: see how we got here. So

00:59:22 Speaker 38: that housing action plan of the

00:59:25 Speaker 38: county was. The housing action plan

00:59:27 Speaker 38: of the county was endorsed by

00:59:29 Speaker 38: county council in August of 2023.

00:59:32 Speaker 38: There has been ongoing action by

00:59:34 Speaker 38: both county and local staff on

00:59:36 Speaker 38: that variety of actions since that

00:59:37 Speaker 38: time, and an update report was

00:59:38 Speaker 38: offered in October of 2024. So

00:59:40 Speaker 38: last fall, in that regard, and

00:59:42 Speaker 38: I would just further identify here

00:59:46 Speaker 38: for those that may not be

00:59:49 Speaker 38: familiar, we did also have a

00:59:50 Speaker 38: report just back in September relating

00:59:53 Speaker 38: to some of the elements under

00:59:55 Speaker 38: the housing action plan relating to

00:59:57 Speaker 38: surplus lands. and so the report

01:00:00 Speaker 38: offered within the package. It's not

01:00:03 Speaker 38: a fulsome, comprehensive report. We are

01:00:05 Speaker 38: looking at certain elements, and so

01:00:06 Speaker 38: I just suggest within and here

01:00:08 Speaker 38: as well that to get that

01:00:10 Speaker 38: most fulsome picture of all of

01:00:12 Speaker 38: the various elements of work underway,

01:00:14 Speaker 38: I would refer the reader to

01:00:17 Speaker 38: to those other reports that are

01:00:19 Speaker 38: linked as well. So within the

01:00:22 Speaker 38: report offered within the package, we

01:00:24 Speaker 38: have split that out into two

01:00:25 Speaker 38: sections, roughly in half. So the

01:00:29 Speaker 38: first focus of the first half

01:00:33 Speaker 38: of the report is regarding some

01:00:34 Speaker 38: select ongoing items that we've highlighted

01:00:36 Speaker 38: for an update. The second half

01:00:38 Speaker 38: that report speaks to some of

01:00:40 Speaker 38: the more abstract actions that are

01:00:41 Speaker 38: identified within the Housing Action Plan.

01:00:43 Speaker 38: So they're not quite as concrete

01:00:44 Speaker 38: in terms of the specific things

01:00:45 Speaker 38: to be done, and those relate

01:00:49 Speaker 38: to nonprofit sector capacity building as

01:00:50 Speaker 38: well as exploration of innovative financial

01:00:52 Speaker 38: tools. and so I think with

01:00:55 Speaker 38: planning, we're always kind of living

01:00:58 Speaker 38: in two time spaces. So we're

01:01:01 Speaker 38: we're we're in the current moment,

01:01:02 Speaker 38: delivering tasks and actions, and we're

01:01:03 Speaker 38: also have an eye ahead to

01:01:04 Speaker 38: the future and and what opportunities

01:01:08 Speaker 38: might be there and how we

01:01:11 Speaker 38: position ourselves for those. So these

01:01:12 Speaker 38: two sections of the report speak

01:01:14 Speaker 38: a little bit along those lines.

01:01:18 Speaker 38: So what's going on now, and

01:01:20 Speaker 38: where do we see us going

01:01:22 Speaker 38: in the future potentially as well?

01:01:23 Speaker 38: And I guess what I would

01:01:26 Speaker 38: further say is just around that

01:01:28 Speaker 38: abstract piece. You know, I think

01:01:30 Speaker 38: what is abstract today potentially is

01:01:32 Speaker 38: what is foundational tomorrow. So, you

01:01:35 Speaker 38: know, I do think this is

01:01:36 Speaker 38: important work, and I'm really excited

01:01:37 Speaker 38: to get to talk about some

01:01:38 Speaker 38: of it today. So, in that

01:01:42 Speaker 38: first half of the report, I've

01:01:44 Speaker 38: just really provided a brief update

01:01:47 Speaker 38: regarding each of the sections we

01:01:48 Speaker 38: spoke to. So, firstly, 1.1 regarding

01:01:49 Speaker 38: surplus lands. staff just offered that

01:01:51 Speaker 38: that prior report has been brought

01:01:53 Speaker 38: forward. If you recall, that report

01:01:55 Speaker 38: was relating to some potentially surplus

01:01:58 Speaker 38: properties that the county owns in

01:01:59 Speaker 38: Markdale and in Durham, and some

01:02:01 Speaker 38: ongoing work that we hope

01:02:03 Speaker 38: to do continuing into twenty twenty

01:02:07 Speaker 38: six for those lands. So we

01:02:09 Speaker 38: have linked that report for

01:02:11 Speaker 38: reference. If anyone would like a

01:02:14 Speaker 38: bit of a refresher on that

01:02:16 Speaker 38: one, with respect to item one

01:02:18 Speaker 38: point two, so enhanced data collection

01:02:19 Speaker 38: and sharing, it's a little square

01:02:23 Speaker 38: on the slide, but it's actually

01:02:24 Speaker 38: a whole heck of a lot

01:02:26 Speaker 38: worth that goes in behind that.

01:02:29 Speaker 38: So, what we've highlighted there is

01:02:30 Speaker 38: that there is an in-process growth

01:02:33 Speaker 38: management strategy underway, and I think

01:02:36 Speaker 38: Scott and I will likely be

01:02:39 Speaker 38: back to next council to provide

01:02:41 Speaker 38: some additional information regarding that process.

01:02:43 Speaker 38: But that is through that process,

01:02:45 Speaker 38: we will be developing updated population,

01:02:46 Speaker 38: household, and employment forecast figures for

01:02:47 Speaker 38: the county through 2051, and. 51,

01:02:50 Speaker 38: and that underpins a lot of

01:02:51 Speaker 38: our long-term planning and municipal planning

01:02:53 Speaker 38: and infrastructure planning. So

01:02:55 Speaker 38: that's an important process. Following that,

01:02:58 Speaker 38: the intention is to complete a

01:03:00 Speaker 38: housing need assessment on a regional

01:03:03 Speaker 38: basis. So looking and pulling from

01:03:05 Speaker 38: some of the data from the

01:03:06 Speaker 38: growth management around unit demand, taking

01:03:08 Speaker 38: stock of existing housing resources that

01:03:10 Speaker 38: are available, and doing some gap

01:03:12 Speaker 38: analysis around what additional built form

01:03:13 Speaker 38: housing might be needed for the

01:03:16 Speaker 38: go forward. To go forward, and

01:03:18 Speaker 38: data collection has begun on that,

01:03:22 Speaker 38: and we speak to that a

01:03:24 Speaker 38: little bit in the reports from

01:03:26 Speaker 38: the initial gathering that's happened. And

01:03:28 Speaker 38: then there is just we've highlighted

01:03:30 Speaker 38: that there is ongoing discussion regarding

01:03:32 Speaker 38: housing-related definitions, data targets, and monitoring

01:03:34 Speaker 38: metrics. That discussion is happening around

01:03:38 Speaker 38: the staff affordable housing senior practice

01:03:39 Speaker 38: table, and I think that that

01:03:43 Speaker 38: will prepare us as we move

01:03:45 Speaker 38: towards that housing need assessment because

01:03:46 Speaker 38: I'd like to really present

01:03:49 Speaker 38: that information in a very tangible

01:03:51 Speaker 38: way. that we can all move

01:03:53 Speaker 38: forward. So we've got clear definitions

01:03:55 Speaker 38: and clear data metrics to help

01:03:57 Speaker 38: guide us in monitoring our progress

01:03:59 Speaker 38: as we go. With respect to

01:04:00 Speaker 38: section one point three of the

01:04:04 Speaker 38: report, that focused on the Gray

01:04:07 Speaker 38: County Housing Fund, and so many

01:04:08 Speaker 38: thanks to our our teammates in

01:04:11 Speaker 38: the Housing Department who helped with

01:04:13 Speaker 38: populating this section of the report.

01:04:15 Speaker 38: Within this section, we do offer

01:04:16 Speaker 38: some update regarding the county's. levy-supported

01:04:22 Speaker 38: housing fund, as has provided just

01:04:24 Speaker 38: shy of six billion dollars in

01:04:26 Speaker 38: funding for a variety of affordable,

01:04:27 Speaker 38: supportive, and transitional housing projects over

01:04:29 Speaker 38: the past four years, and those

01:04:30 Speaker 38: have been itemized within the report

01:04:33 Speaker 38: by by housing staff for us.

01:04:35 Speaker 38: They further highlight that there

01:04:38 Speaker 38: are some additional projects that

01:04:42 Speaker 38: are waiting in the wings for

01:04:44 Speaker 38: further funding, both locally and federally,

01:04:47 Speaker 38: and they additionally highlight that the

01:04:49 Speaker 38: Bay Counties Housing and Homelessness

01:04:52 Speaker 38: Plan. The Grey County's Housing and

01:04:53 Speaker 38: Homelessness Plan, which is prescribed and

01:04:54 Speaker 38: required by the province, will be

01:04:56 Speaker 38: due in May 2026. So, a

01:04:59 Speaker 38: revision is ongoing with respect to

01:05:02 Speaker 38: that plan. Regarding item 1.4, Community

01:05:03 Speaker 38: Improvement Plans. So, within the report,

01:05:04 Speaker 38: staff outlined that those plans are

01:05:05 Speaker 38: in place for the majority of

01:05:07 Speaker 38: member municipalities now at this time,

01:05:11 Speaker 38: and we do have a number

01:05:13 Speaker 38: of municipalities starting into an update

01:05:15 Speaker 38: process for those plans. County staff

01:05:17 Speaker 38: are encouraging generally consideration. of an

01:05:19 Speaker 38: affordable/slash housing/slash conversion type of programmemes

01:05:21 Speaker 38: at the discretion of the local

01:05:23 Speaker 38: municipalities, and just to support that,

01:05:25 Speaker 38: we have had some early kind

01:05:26 Speaker 38: of cross-pollination conversation, just opening up

01:05:29 Speaker 38: the idea that we could be

01:05:31 Speaker 38: working a little bit together, and

01:05:34 Speaker 38: we've had some early discussion with

01:05:36 Speaker 38: the economic development local developers table

01:05:37 Speaker 38: as well, just with respect to

01:05:39 Speaker 38: that. So I think we'll likely

01:05:41 Speaker 38: be getting together in January for

01:05:44 Speaker 38: something that almost. January first for

01:05:46 Speaker 38: this conversation about how we might

01:05:48 Speaker 38: work together on those updates and

01:05:51 Speaker 38: streamline. You may recall from prior

01:05:53 Speaker 38: reports, one of the things that

01:05:55 Speaker 38: we had been interested in learning

01:05:56 Speaker 38: more about was the potential to

01:05:57 Speaker 38: have a CIP at the county

01:05:59 Speaker 38: level as well, and so we

01:06:01 Speaker 38: had set out to approach the

01:06:04 Speaker 38: ministry staff and had had some

01:06:05 Speaker 38: back and forth with them

01:06:08 Speaker 38: around process, but then that item

01:06:09 Speaker 38: has subsequently been included within Bill

01:06:12 Speaker 38: sixteen, so. that's not noted. We

01:06:15 Speaker 38: are monitoring the status there, but

01:06:17 Speaker 38: I think if that element of

01:06:20 Speaker 38: the bill has progressed as as

01:06:22 Speaker 38: it was written into the draft,

01:06:24 Speaker 38: then that potential appears to exist

01:06:26 Speaker 38: or will shortly that we could

01:06:28 Speaker 38: further consider how we might target

01:06:30 Speaker 38: or prepare a CIP for the

01:06:36 Speaker 38: county as well. It is handy

01:06:38 Speaker 38: that these two items are on

01:06:40 Speaker 38: the slide together because I just

01:06:41 Speaker 38: I just want to plant the

01:06:44 Speaker 38: idea that we've got a couple

01:06:46 Speaker 38: of different tools here potentially at

01:06:49 Speaker 38: our disposal. and so I think

01:06:51 Speaker 38: there could certainly be some further

01:06:52 Speaker 38: conversation regarding further targeting and how

01:06:54 Speaker 38: those might be aligned to cover

01:06:56 Speaker 38: a greater breadth of projects to

01:06:58 Speaker 38: support them. Currently, the housing fund

01:07:00 Speaker 38: is is largely toolled towards most

01:07:02 Speaker 38: vulnerable populations, but we do understand

01:07:05 Speaker 38: that there is a range of

01:07:07 Speaker 38: affordability that is perhaps not well

01:07:10 Speaker 38: represented in our housing

01:07:13 Speaker 38: stock, and so perhaps

01:07:16 Speaker 38: the CIP might offer us further

01:07:18 Speaker 38: opportunity in in that. regard

01:07:22 Speaker 38: as well. Okay, and then finally

01:07:24 Speaker 38: for that first half of the

01:07:28 Speaker 38: report, we've just spoken at a

01:07:30 Speaker 38: high level to ongoing work regarding

01:07:32 Speaker 38: planning documents and processes, as we've

01:07:34 Speaker 38: offered a sample selection of of

01:07:36 Speaker 38: the type of work that's been

01:07:39 Speaker 38: happening. And so I think folks

01:07:41 Speaker 38: around this table would be quite

01:07:43 Speaker 38: familiar with that, and you've seen

01:07:44 Speaker 38: those documents and bylaws coming across

01:07:46 Speaker 38: your desk locally as well, but

01:07:56 Speaker 38: large. But largely, that has involved

01:07:59 Speaker 38: updates to our various planning documents.

01:08:00 Speaker 38: We've certainly seen folks at the

01:08:02 Speaker 38: local level looking to include ARU,

01:08:05 Speaker 38: additional residential unit policies and permissions,

01:08:08 Speaker 38: addressing short-term accommodation permissions and regulatory

01:08:10 Speaker 38: frameworks to get a good balance

01:08:13 Speaker 38: there. Articulating housing-related goals and objectives

01:08:15 Speaker 38: and targets, looking at height and

01:08:17 Speaker 38: density and intensification policies, and then

01:08:19 Speaker 38: creation of localized work plans to

01:08:21 Speaker 38: build upon what's included within the

01:08:22 Speaker 38: county housing plan. And so, if

01:08:24 Speaker 38: municipalities are looking to further further

01:08:28 Speaker 38: do that work, develop those work

01:08:29 Speaker 38: plans, I just would say that

01:08:31 Speaker 38: county staff are happy to have

01:08:34 Speaker 38: a conversation regarding the housing action

01:08:36 Speaker 38: plan and perhaps what might make

01:08:38 Speaker 38: sense for inclusion there. Okay. so

01:08:40 Speaker 38: I think we step into the

01:08:42 Speaker 38: second half of the report at

01:08:46 Speaker 38: this point in the presentation, and

01:08:48 Speaker 38: so as noted earlier in the

01:08:49 Speaker 38: presentation, the housing action plan does

01:08:52 Speaker 38: include some expressed intent around nonprofit

01:08:54 Speaker 38: sector capacity building. I think a

01:08:55 Speaker 38: lot of the existing affordable housing

01:08:57 Speaker 38: across Canada was actually created by

01:09:00 Speaker 38: that sector or in partnership with

01:09:01 Speaker 38: that sector, and so I think

01:09:04 Speaker 38: they are a very important partner

01:09:07 Speaker 38: as it comes to affordable housing,

01:09:09 Speaker 38: community housing. supply. A few thoughts

01:09:11 Speaker 38: that we shared in the report.

01:09:14 Speaker 38: So, firstly, I think that sector

01:09:17 Speaker 38: building work is intended to go

01:09:19 Speaker 38: above and beyond and build from

01:09:22 Speaker 38: the ongoing work with the nonprofit

01:09:26 Speaker 38: partners that is already underway by

01:09:28 Speaker 38: the housing department and service manager.

01:09:31 Speaker 38: The housing action plan does identify

01:09:34 Speaker 38: that you know there are some

01:09:37 Speaker 38: things that the municipal sector may

01:09:39 Speaker 38: not be ideally positioned, resource, or

01:09:41 Speaker 38: tool to do. and so it

01:09:43 Speaker 38: orients Gray County as a lead

01:09:45 Speaker 38: organisation, but really does encourage community

01:09:47 Speaker 38: partners of all all types, all

01:09:49 Speaker 38: of the sectors, to be working

01:09:50 Speaker 38: together towards collective housing goals. And

01:09:54 Speaker 38: I think really that sector capacity

01:09:55 Speaker 38: building would be intended to support

01:09:56 Speaker 38: that work by community partners towards

01:09:58 Speaker 38: collective benefit. So within that report,

01:10:00 Speaker 38: we do outline ongoing networking and

01:10:01 Speaker 38: co-learning work, and an emerging whole

01:10:04 Speaker 38: community approach. framing for collabouration. We

01:10:05 Speaker 38: speak to community incubation of housing

01:10:07 Speaker 38: system components to support affordable housing

01:10:10 Speaker 38: creation. Discuss a little bit of

01:10:12 Speaker 38: the emerging sector skills building efforts

01:10:16 Speaker 38: that are in place in Ontario,

01:10:18 Speaker 38: and then speak a little bit

01:10:20 Speaker 38: to scale considerations for affordable and

01:10:22 Speaker 38: non-market housing. Speaking to some of

01:10:23 Speaker 38: the grant and finance programmemes that

01:10:24 Speaker 38: are available or pending relating to

01:10:26 Speaker 38: that, and I'll highlight a few

01:10:28 Speaker 38: things from that section and then.

01:10:31 Speaker 38: Things from that section in the

01:10:33 Speaker 38: next slides. I guess what I

01:10:36 Speaker 38: would say. So there's some thanks

01:10:38 Speaker 38: to go around here. So with

01:10:40 Speaker 38: respect to this next slide, I'll

01:10:42 Speaker 38: just extend my thanks to the

01:10:45 Speaker 38: Institute of Southern Georgian Bay. They

01:10:47 Speaker 38: have created the space for a

01:10:50 Speaker 38: lot of the learning and discussion

01:10:53 Speaker 38: to happen over the past years,

01:10:54 Speaker 38: and this work reflects work coming

01:10:56 Speaker 38: from that table together with

01:10:59 Speaker 38: municipal staff and council members who

01:11:00 Speaker 38: are often attending those meetings as

01:11:04 Speaker 38: well. So the whole community approach.

01:11:05 Speaker 38: If you've had a presentation at

01:11:08 Speaker 38: your local council by myself and

01:11:10 Speaker 38: Mary Ellen Steiner from the Institute,

01:11:12 Speaker 38: this may sound familiar. But I

01:11:14 Speaker 38: think we've been working to refine

01:11:16 Speaker 38: the wording and understandings here, and

01:11:19 Speaker 38: so we just highlight the whole

01:11:21 Speaker 38: community approach as a framing

01:11:24 Speaker 38: for how we might work together,

01:11:26 Speaker 38: and highlighting certain areas of focus

01:11:28 Speaker 38: for local government sector as well

01:11:30 Speaker 38: as for community partners. And so

01:11:31 Speaker 38: on the local government focus side,

01:11:33 Speaker 38: what that learning and network network

01:11:35 Speaker 38: group has determined is really, you

01:11:37 Speaker 38: know, we would be looking to

01:11:40 Speaker 38: local government to target the policy

01:11:43 Speaker 38: permissions and incentives towards affordable and

01:11:44 Speaker 38: non-market housing to fill those gaps

01:11:47 Speaker 38: in our supply. We would be

01:11:48 Speaker 38: looking at establishing and maintaining good

01:11:51 Speaker 38: regional communication, and I think around

01:11:53 Speaker 38: that table there is interest what

01:11:55 Speaker 38: that could look like. Could that

01:11:57 Speaker 38: be, for example, a future coordination

01:11:58 Speaker 38: table on a regional basis to

01:12:00 Speaker 38: do? that work, local government focus

01:12:03 Speaker 38: again would also be focused around

01:12:05 Speaker 38: municipal engagement around community wealth and

01:12:07 Speaker 38: social finance approaches. And so, I

01:12:08 Speaker 38: think it's a little out of

01:12:11 Speaker 38: our direct wheelhouse, but it certainly

01:12:12 Speaker 38: is adjacent. And I'll speak a

01:12:14 Speaker 38: little bit about where that sector

01:12:15 Speaker 38: is going. This really speaks to

01:12:18 Speaker 38: the idea that municipalities would be

01:12:22 Speaker 38: engaged in learning about these emerging

01:12:24 Speaker 38: techniques and determining how we might

01:12:27 Speaker 38: partner or bring some. of them

01:12:29 Speaker 38: into our organisations, and then a

01:12:31 Speaker 38: development of a cohesive regional perspective

01:12:34 Speaker 38: on workforce housing and associated

01:12:36 Speaker 38: needs and approaches. And so I

01:12:39 Speaker 38: think there we've certainly had lots

01:12:42 Speaker 38: of discussion around workforce housing, and

01:12:43 Speaker 38: I know previous on my course

01:12:47 Speaker 38: have been some reports by

01:12:48 Speaker 38: others, Mountain Village Association, for example.

01:12:50 Speaker 38: I think this is emerging as

01:12:52 Speaker 38: as one of those things where

01:12:54 Speaker 38: we maybe have some further work

01:12:57 Speaker 38: to articulate how we envision that

01:12:59 Speaker 38: flowing, and then our community partners

01:13:02 Speaker 38: can join us. I am on

01:13:04 Speaker 38: work. I'll give a little more

01:13:06 Speaker 38: clarity. On the community side, we

01:13:08 Speaker 38: are looking at community partners focused

01:13:11 Speaker 38: around building of local organisations and

01:13:14 Speaker 38: functions to support affordable housing at

01:13:15 Speaker 38: greater scale. And looking at examples

01:13:17 Speaker 38: from across Canada, we are seeing

01:13:19 Speaker 38: emerging vehicles such as land trusts

01:13:21 Speaker 38: and community development corporations to support

01:13:23 Speaker 38: in that work. Again, municipalities are

01:13:25 Speaker 38: not always resourced or or tools.

01:13:27 Speaker 38: to to do that work, and

01:13:29 Speaker 38: so those partners could assist. Linking

01:13:32 Speaker 38: of non-market housing creators via community

01:13:33 Speaker 38: practice, and so that is in

01:13:36 Speaker 38: place, and we do have those

01:13:39 Speaker 38: folks already connecting through some of

01:13:41 Speaker 38: those institute tables. Support for local

01:13:43 Speaker 38: citizens groups to support affordable housing

01:13:46 Speaker 38: creation and municipal efforts. So offering

01:13:49 Speaker 38: some education, and we have seen

01:13:51 Speaker 38: some spinoff interest in some of

01:13:53 Speaker 38: the local communities around that institute

01:13:55 Speaker 38: table, and I think. those folks

01:13:56 Speaker 38: are helping to to encourage that

01:13:58 Speaker 38: change in consideration at the local

01:13:59 Speaker 38: level as well. We want to

01:14:01 Speaker 38: make sure I think that folks

01:14:03 Speaker 38: are informed as well, bringing good

01:14:08 Speaker 38: information and asking for reasonable things

01:14:09 Speaker 38: as well around those tables. So

01:14:10 Speaker 38: offering that support I think is

01:14:11 Speaker 38: important. And then preparation of a

01:14:12 Speaker 38: regional community wealth and social finance

01:14:14 Speaker 38: strategy. So this is work that

01:14:16 Speaker 38: the institute has on the horizon,

01:14:18 Speaker 38: and I think we could certainly

01:14:20 Speaker 38: be. participating in some of those

01:14:23 Speaker 38: conversations as they further explore how

01:14:26 Speaker 38: can we lend, spend, and invest

01:14:29 Speaker 38: for greatest community benefit. And what

01:14:30 Speaker 38: I've just noted in the report

01:14:33 Speaker 38: is that you know I think

01:14:35 Speaker 38: following the housing need assessment, it

01:14:37 Speaker 38: would be reasonable for us

01:14:39 Speaker 38: to consider what are the needs

01:14:43 Speaker 38: that perhaps could be embedded within

01:14:45 Speaker 38: the housing actually more formally at

01:14:48 Speaker 38: the table. It's a worthy discussion

01:14:51 Speaker 38: to come in around. This. one

01:14:52 Speaker 38: here, and so perhaps you've seen

01:14:54 Speaker 38: this out in the world, but

01:14:55 Speaker 38: if not, I would be happy

01:14:57 Speaker 38: to be the first one to

01:14:58 Speaker 38: tell you that we have seen

01:15:00 Speaker 38: a community partner really take up

01:15:01 Speaker 38: that opportunity to engage, and so

01:15:03 Speaker 38: we have seen just last week

01:15:06 Speaker 38: an announcement by Community Foundation Great

01:15:08 Speaker 38: Bruce. They are working now to

01:15:10 Speaker 38: incubate Great Bruce Community Development Corporation,

01:15:12 Speaker 38: and they have, and I've

01:15:14 Speaker 38: outlined in the report what they

01:15:16 Speaker 38: envision that CDC could do. So

01:15:18 Speaker 38: they are looking at. some of

01:15:20 Speaker 38: that mentorship for community housing projects,

01:15:22 Speaker 38: exploring social finance tools like community

01:15:23 Speaker 38: bonds, initiating development and protection of

01:15:26 Speaker 38: affordable housing in a broad and

01:15:28 Speaker 38: non-competitive manner, and creating that space

01:15:31 Speaker 38: for further collabouration. And so, you

01:15:32 Speaker 38: know, I just I wanted to

01:15:34 Speaker 38: highlight that as an example, and

01:15:40 Speaker 38: thanks so much to Stuart Reed,

01:15:44 Speaker 38: their executive director, for working with

01:15:45 Speaker 38: me to coordinate the timing on

01:15:48 Speaker 38: this, so that we could make

01:15:50 Speaker 38: sure to share this good information

01:15:52 Speaker 38: through this report without. stealing their

01:15:55 Speaker 38: thunder for the announcement last week.

01:15:57 Speaker 38: And what I would just highlight

01:15:58 Speaker 38: here is that they have hired

01:16:01 Speaker 38: a strategic initiatives consultant on housing.

01:16:03 Speaker 38: This individual does have experience with

01:16:06 Speaker 38: community bonds and has worked with

01:16:08 Speaker 38: Habitat in wealth previously in setting

01:16:11 Speaker 38: up their programmemes. So we're bringing

01:16:16 Speaker 38: some of these new skills into

01:16:18 Speaker 38: the area through this move. They'll

01:16:21 Speaker 38: start slow and small and seek

01:16:23 Speaker 38: to grow sustainably and organically. But

01:16:24 Speaker 38: we've we've got some help into

01:16:27 Speaker 38: We've got some help in terms

01:16:29 Speaker 38: of of looking at that housing

01:16:34 Speaker 38: creation. Okay, and then further with

01:16:36 Speaker 38: respect to to the nonprofit sector,

01:16:37 Speaker 38: it's kind of an evolution of

01:16:38 Speaker 38: that conversation is achieving scale for

01:16:40 Speaker 38: housing creation, and so we've included

01:16:42 Speaker 38: a section of the report around

01:16:45 Speaker 38: this. What I would note is

01:16:47 Speaker 38: that so we are just kind

01:16:52 Speaker 38: of watching the rollout of the

01:16:55 Speaker 38: Build Canada Homes programme. at the

01:16:58 Speaker 38: federal level, so they are they

01:17:00 Speaker 38: are changing approach under under this

01:17:02 Speaker 38: new government with respect to how

01:17:04 Speaker 38: funding opportunities will be provided for

01:17:06 Speaker 38: housing creation, affordable housing creation. Looking

01:17:08 Speaker 38: at their initial documents and the

01:17:10 Speaker 38: sounding guide that they've shared, we

01:17:12 Speaker 38: do understand that there is their

01:17:15 Speaker 38: intention to gradually move to a

01:17:18 Speaker 38: system where they are granting for

01:17:20 Speaker 38: large scale projects or portfolios of

01:17:22 Speaker 38: projects as. opposed to individual one-off

01:17:24 Speaker 38: applications. And so, I think, again,

01:17:25 Speaker 38: just looking with an eye to

01:17:27 Speaker 38: the future of how might we

01:17:29 Speaker 38: need to position ourselves to engage

01:17:33 Speaker 38: with these funding opportunities on the

01:17:35 Speaker 38: go forward? I think we're recognizing

01:17:36 Speaker 38: that there may be some some

01:17:40 Speaker 38: necessity for a little amalgamation or

01:17:43 Speaker 38: or working together to agglomerate some

01:17:44 Speaker 38: of those projects under one portfolio

01:17:45 Speaker 38: or a series. Portfolio or series

01:17:48 Speaker 38: of projects under one application, and

01:17:50 Speaker 38: so I think really just kind

01:17:55 Speaker 38: of seeding that idea here that

01:17:58 Speaker 38: there will be some further conversations

01:17:59 Speaker 38: happen around that. We're not one

01:18:02 Speaker 38: hundred percent sure how that funding

01:18:07 Speaker 39: will evolve, but actually, just in

01:18:09 Speaker 38: coordination with the House National Housing

01:18:13 Speaker 38: Day, they have just now this

01:18:14 Speaker 38: past weekend released the investment policy

01:18:15 Speaker 38: framework for both Canada Homes. So

01:18:17 Speaker 38: I think everyone's just digesting that

01:18:20 Speaker 38: at this moment in time. It

01:18:22 Speaker 38: does too speak to that. gradual

01:18:25 Speaker 38: transition towards scale, so just a

01:18:26 Speaker 38: going consideration for us, and and

01:18:28 Speaker 38: we do also just within that

01:18:30 Speaker 38: section of the report speak a

01:18:32 Speaker 38: little bit to the existing provincial

01:18:34 Speaker 38: funding opportunities as well. There has

01:18:36 Speaker 38: been some advocacy where as they

01:18:40 Speaker 38: are considering how those might be

01:18:42 Speaker 38: retooled to better serve areas in

01:18:44 Speaker 38: rural Ontario like ours. So we'll

01:18:46 Speaker 38: see where that goes. Okay, and

01:18:49 Speaker 38: then. finally, just the second component

01:18:50 Speaker 38: of that last half of the

01:18:52 Speaker 38: report speaks to finance innovation for

01:18:55 Speaker 38: affordable housing. Lost my notes. There

01:18:56 Speaker 38: we go. So with respect to

01:18:58 Speaker 38: this section of the report, we

01:18:59 Speaker 38: really just wanted to kind of

01:19:02 Speaker 38: highlight some of the work that

01:19:04 Speaker 38: is happening within the sector across

01:19:07 Speaker 38: Canada. So this is homework, if

01:19:10 Speaker 38: you will, to poke around on

01:19:11 Speaker 38: some of those linked resources. to

01:19:14 Speaker 38: get a flavour of what is

01:19:16 Speaker 38: happening, kind of on that learning

01:19:19 Speaker 38: edge of social finance innovation, and

01:19:20 Speaker 38: what we we're seeing and what's

01:19:24 Speaker 38: been included within that report is

01:19:26 Speaker 38: a highlight on some of those

01:19:28 Speaker 38: smaller financial opportunities. So community bond

01:19:30 Speaker 38: initiatives, and I've highlighted an Assiniboia

01:19:33 Speaker 38: example, Redwood Park Communities, as as

01:19:36 Speaker 38: one with an open bond campaign.

01:19:38 Speaker 38: I had an opportunity to to

01:19:41 Speaker 38: sit with their fund manager and

01:19:42 Speaker 38: hear about how they've actually structured

01:19:45 Speaker 38: that campaign. and the different

01:19:47 Speaker 38: tranches within the bond offering and

01:19:49 Speaker 38: the risk profiles of the management

01:19:51 Speaker 38: and it's quite interesting and I

01:19:53 Speaker 38: think there's a lot of opportunity

01:19:54 Speaker 38: there to to set those up

01:19:56 Speaker 38: and we're seeing that happen again

01:19:59 Speaker 38: across Canada. In addition to those

01:20:02 Speaker 38: smaller scale project specific tools, we're

01:20:04 Speaker 38: also seeing the establishment of larger

01:20:05 Speaker 38: revolving funds that are targeted towards

01:20:07 Speaker 38: housing as well. And so I've

01:20:09 Speaker 38: highlighted the Catch Fund, which grew

01:20:12 Speaker 38: from a innovation lab in. Hamilton

01:20:13 Speaker 38: around their LRT expansion, and really

01:20:16 Speaker 38: looks at bringing together different types

01:20:17 Speaker 38: of capital and investors to create

01:20:18 Speaker 38: a revolving fund that can create

01:20:24 Speaker 38: seed funding and bridge financing for

01:20:26 Speaker 09: community housing creators. And I think

01:20:28 Speaker 09: with this one, again looking out

01:20:30 Speaker 09: into the horizon, what's possible. We

01:20:32 Speaker 09: do have a lot of work

01:20:34 Speaker 09: happening around the energy frontier. Various

01:20:36 Speaker 09: institutional and industrial partners with respect

01:20:38 Speaker 09: to that. I know certainly Bruce

01:20:39 Speaker 09: County is is thinking about the

01:20:41 Speaker 40: housing issues as well, and then

01:20:45 Speaker 40: we have this local CDC, and

01:20:48 Speaker 40: so I could envision this being

01:20:50 Speaker 40: something potentially in our future, maybe

01:20:52 Speaker 40: not right away, but but longer

01:20:55 Speaker 40: term in terms of innovation. So

01:20:57 Speaker 40: just again trying to see those

01:20:58 Speaker 40: ideas bring everybody along with that

01:21:00 Speaker 40: learning. So I'll leave I'll leave

01:21:05 Speaker 40: it there today. Certainly happy to

01:21:09 Speaker 41: speak to any questions that may

01:21:10 Speaker 41: arise, and really happy to do

01:21:14 Speaker 41: all of the additional learning that.

01:21:15 Speaker 41: All of this additional learning that

01:21:17 Speaker 41: will be coming along as things

01:21:19 Speaker 23: evolve. Thanks very much. Thank you.

01:21:23 Speaker 23: Lots in the report, and also

01:21:26 Speaker 23: with what you've just provided for

01:21:28 Speaker 23: us verbally. So I'll just wait

01:21:32 Speaker 23: till the virtual members come back

01:21:33 Speaker 23: on my screen here, and we'll

01:21:35 Speaker 23: open up for questions. We'll begin

01:21:38 Speaker 23: with the deputy warden. Thank you,

01:21:40 Speaker 23: Madam Warden, and thank you, Liz,

01:21:41 Speaker 23: for the report and the update.

01:21:44 Speaker 23: I concur with Councillor Body that

01:21:46 Speaker 23: we don't. tutor on horn enough

01:21:49 Speaker 23: about the work that is being

01:21:51 Speaker 23: done and potentially being done to

01:21:54 Speaker 23: house more people affordably here in

01:21:59 Speaker 23: Gregg County. So I think this

01:22:00 Speaker 42: report goes a long way to

01:22:03 Speaker 42: do that. Thank you very much.

01:22:05 Speaker 43: Okay. Thank you. Other comments or

01:22:08 Speaker 43: questions? I will go to Councillor

01:22:10 Speaker 43: Kieveny, and then we'll go to

01:22:11 Speaker 43: Councillor Gregg. Thank you, Madam Warden,

01:22:14 Speaker 43: and Liz. What an amazing report!

01:22:16 Speaker 43: Thank you for all of your

01:22:19 Speaker 43: efforts in this regard. I note

01:22:21 Speaker 43: through the conversations with the folks

01:22:23 Speaker 43: at the institute that I know

01:22:24 Speaker 43: there's an importance attached to local

01:22:26 Speaker 43: affordable housing task forces. Some of

01:22:27 Speaker 43: us have them, and some of

01:22:29 Speaker 43: us don't. And with the exceptional

01:22:31 Speaker 43: work that's happening at the county

01:22:33 Speaker 43: and through the Southern Georgian Bay

01:22:36 Speaker 43: Institute, and in particular the Social

01:22:37 Speaker 43: Finance Group, I'm. wondering if you

01:22:40 Speaker 43: feel there is still a necessity

01:22:42 Speaker 43: for each community to have its

01:22:43 Speaker 43: own task force to be able

01:22:45 Speaker 43: to contribute locally to the to

01:22:47 Speaker 43: the conversation at this level. Thank

01:22:49 Speaker 43: you very much, and through you,

01:22:51 Speaker 43: Madam Warden. So, you know, I

01:22:53 Speaker 43: I I think it's important to

01:22:56 Speaker 43: have a space to have conversations

01:22:57 Speaker 43: about what we're we're going to

01:22:59 Speaker 43: do, bringing in some of this

01:23:01 Speaker 43: information for learning. translating that into

01:23:03 Speaker 43: tasks, assigning those tasks to individuals

01:23:05 Speaker 43: to be completed. I think about

01:23:07 Speaker 43: everything that the Collingwood Affordable Housing

01:23:09 Speaker 43: Task Force has achieved over the

01:23:10 Speaker 43: past number of years, and if

01:23:13 Speaker 43: you're not familiar, check out their

01:23:15 Speaker 43: website. They've got a whole lot

01:23:16 Speaker 43: going on. So, you know, I

01:23:18 Speaker 43: I think there I think there

01:23:21 Speaker 43: is certainly interest and a function

01:23:25 Speaker 43: for those committees. I don't know,

01:23:28 Speaker 43: you know, I think thinking to

01:23:31 Speaker 43: that idea of the regional coordination

01:23:34 Speaker 43: and collabouration. Perhaps there's a circumstance

01:23:36 Speaker 44: in the future where we're moving

01:23:38 Speaker 44: to more of a regional table.

01:23:39 Speaker 44: I don't necessarily think that will

01:23:40 Speaker 44: replace the need to have some

01:23:42 Speaker 44: concerted effort and space to have

01:23:45 Speaker 44: those conversations locally, but that could

01:23:47 Speaker 44: be an evolution. In the meantime,

01:23:49 Speaker 44: without kind of that broader coordination

01:23:54 Speaker 44: table, I do think there's value

01:23:56 Speaker 44: to those. But of course, it's

01:23:58 Speaker 44: a local discussion with respect to

01:24:00 Speaker 44: whether you have the resources to

01:24:02 Speaker 44: to put that in place. But

01:24:03 Speaker 44: yeah, I would say that having

01:24:04 Speaker 44: that. space and making that time

01:24:07 Speaker 44: to have those conversations would be

01:24:09 Speaker 44: important to this board at this

01:24:11 Speaker 44: moment. A lot of it is

01:24:13 Speaker 44: on that learning edge, so I

01:24:14 Speaker 44: think creating that space for those

01:24:16 Speaker 44: conversations is important. Thank you, Councillor

01:24:18 Speaker 44: Greg. Thank you, and thanks for

01:24:19 Speaker 44: the extensive report, Liz. It's a

01:24:20 Speaker 44: good update. I guess the background

01:24:22 Speaker 44: to my question, if there there

01:24:23 Speaker 44: is one, but we are just

01:24:24 Speaker 44: undertaking. a new official plan and

01:24:25 Speaker 44: zoning update in Owen Sound right

01:24:27 Speaker 44: now. So as part of preparing

01:24:29 Speaker 44: for that Monday night, I was

01:24:30 Speaker 44: just running some numbers because we

01:24:32 Speaker 44: get a lot of advocacy from

01:24:34 Speaker 44: a certain demographic about the affordable

01:24:35 Speaker 44: housing initiatives, and everyone seems to

01:24:37 Speaker 44: fall into a certain. They're retired,

01:24:38 Speaker 44: they own their own homes, and

01:24:41 Speaker 44: they're speaking for young people. If

01:24:43 Speaker 44: you go to a restaurant and

01:24:45 Speaker 44: you just engage a bunch of

01:24:48 Speaker 44: young people, young people want the

01:24:49 Speaker 44: same opportunity. Young people want the

01:24:51 Speaker 44: same opportunities that that we have.

01:24:53 Speaker 44: If you you talk to them,

01:24:55 Speaker 44: they want a little bit of

01:24:58 Speaker 44: yard, maybe their own driveway to

01:25:00 Speaker 44: pull into. This is what they're

01:25:01 Speaker 44: wishing for. So in in terms

01:25:03 Speaker 44: of preparing for Monday, you know,

01:25:07 Speaker 44: if they go out and you

01:25:09 Speaker 44: just take a look at an

01:25:10 Speaker 44: average house right now, a starter

01:25:12 Speaker 44: home four hundred and fifty thousand,

01:25:17 Speaker 44: they're going to need four hundred

01:25:20 Speaker 44: twenty five thousand dollars mortgage. You

01:25:22 Speaker 44: run the numbers in that, which

01:25:26 Speaker 44: I did. That's eleven hundred two

01:25:28 Speaker 44: dollars a month at a four

01:25:31 Speaker 44: sixty nine rate for five years,

01:25:33 Speaker 44: and over the first five. years,

01:25:36 Speaker 44: they paid a hundred thousand in

01:25:39 Speaker 44: interest. So when they renew, they

01:25:43 Speaker 44: still have three seventy five. You

01:25:47 Speaker 44: you put thirty percent on that.

01:25:50 Speaker 44: That's ninety seven thousand dollars a

01:25:53 Speaker 44: year. This needed to sustain that

01:25:54 Speaker 44: thirty thousand dollar payment for their

01:25:57 Speaker 44: mortgage. We haven't talked about insurance.

01:26:00 Speaker 44: We haven't talked about property taxes

01:26:02 Speaker 44: and the plethora of other costs

01:26:03 Speaker 44: that come along with that. We

01:26:04 Speaker 44: need to update our census data.

01:26:06 Speaker 44: I think the most recent one

01:26:09 Speaker 44: I see is twenty one, and.

01:26:12 Speaker 44: Twenty-one, and in terms of an

01:26:15 Speaker 44: average or medium household income in

01:26:18 Speaker 44: Gray County, I think, or or

01:26:20 Speaker 44: Oronson, it could be wrong, but

01:26:24 Speaker 44: they're pretty close. Is either seventy-one

01:26:25 Speaker 44: or seventy-seven thousand dollars? That's the

01:26:28 Speaker 44: average household income. Now that's skewed

01:26:30 Speaker 44: because you're taking in fixed-income seniors

01:26:32 Speaker 44: and and so forth. But it's

01:26:33 Speaker 44: the average young person in our

01:26:35 Speaker 44: communities is not over a hundred

01:26:40 Speaker 44: thousand dollars. The the data doesn't

01:26:41 Speaker 44: show that. And when you're working

01:26:44 Speaker 44: on on this, are the are

01:26:46 Speaker 44: the efforts only responding to the

01:26:50 Speaker 44: affordable housing, or do you do

01:26:51 Speaker 44: you examine it a little bigger

01:26:56 Speaker 44: than than just the affordable housing

01:26:59 Speaker 44: component? Because I think in in

01:27:00 Speaker 44: Olmsted, maybe our numbers were 17

01:27:01 Speaker 44: of new apartments were meeting criteria,

01:27:04 Speaker 44: and if we want to work

01:27:06 Speaker 44: on behalf of some of the

01:27:10 Speaker 44: people in the community that just

01:27:11 Speaker 44: want to have their own house

01:27:12 Speaker 44: and have that opportunity, when you

01:27:13 Speaker 44: put in that, like an actual

01:27:16 Speaker 44: discretionary or disposable income, like after

01:27:17 Speaker 44: tax, they're like fifty percent of

01:27:20 Speaker 44: their income or greater, and we

01:27:22 Speaker 44: haven't talked about property taxes, insurance,

01:27:25 Speaker 44: like the essentials yet. So I

01:27:26 Speaker 44: feel like they're left out, and

01:27:29 Speaker 44: we're at we're doing a lot.

01:27:32 Speaker 44: of advocating for some of the

01:27:35 Speaker 44: market that we are are needing

01:27:37 Speaker 44: to meet the need for, and

01:27:38 Speaker 44: we are building new apartments. But

01:27:40 Speaker 44: at times I'm afraid we're we're

01:27:41 Speaker 44: we're putting a lot of efforts

01:27:44 Speaker 44: here, and we're not recognizing that

01:27:46 Speaker 44: still when you build an apartment,

01:27:48 Speaker 44: there's probably $300 minimum a month.

01:27:52 Speaker 44: I know, I know, in Salem,

01:27:55 Speaker 44: on $200,000 assessment, they're paying two.

01:27:58 Speaker 44: To three thousand a month or

01:28:00 Speaker 44: a year in property taxes, and

01:28:01 Speaker 44: everyone has to pay their fair

01:28:04 Speaker 44: share. So that unit's got, you

01:28:06 Speaker 44: know, three hundred dollars a month,

01:28:08 Speaker 44: approximately in taxes. It's got utilities.

01:28:10 Speaker 44: I just got off the phone

01:28:12 Speaker 44: about a week and a half

01:28:13 Speaker 44: ago with one of the large

01:28:17 Speaker 44: builders, and we're talking about every

01:28:20 Speaker 44: seven years they have to budget

01:28:23 Speaker 44: for appliance replacement. So all these

01:28:25 Speaker 44: costs have to go into that

01:28:26 Speaker 44: unit. The general taxpayer can't pick.

01:28:29 Speaker 38: that up. So there's a there's

01:28:32 Speaker 38: when you're talking about affordable housing,

01:28:34 Speaker 38: you already get to fourteen or

01:28:36 Speaker 38: fifteen hundred dollars really quickly, and

01:28:38 Speaker 38: we're talking about the capital needs

01:28:40 Speaker 38: that have to be put aside

01:28:42 Speaker 38: to do the renovations every so.

01:28:44 Speaker 38: And we do that with our

01:28:47 Speaker 38: own housing here, so we see

01:28:51 Speaker 38: it. I'm just wondering then, can

01:28:53 Speaker 38: you speak to how you do

01:28:54 Speaker 38: interpret those real life costs into

01:28:56 Speaker 38: your studies? and that missing middle

01:28:58 Speaker 38: that sometimes is out there, that

01:29:01 Speaker 38: I feel like the demographics. Because

01:29:03 Speaker 38: all I have to work off

01:29:05 Speaker 38: is, I only have the numbers,

01:29:07 Speaker 38: the data needs updated, but we

01:29:09 Speaker 38: have to work off that data

01:29:11 Speaker 38: and respond to a lot of

01:29:13 Speaker 38: the segment and their population that

01:29:14 Speaker 38: just wants that same opportunity that

01:29:16 Speaker 38: we had. Thank you, Andrew, Monday

01:29:19 Speaker 38: morning. Excellent question. Thank you so

01:29:24 Speaker 38: much for that. So. Before that,

01:29:27 Speaker 38: so so just I'll pick up

01:29:28 Speaker 38: a couple of the data pieces

01:29:30 Speaker 38: and then can respond specifically to

01:29:34 Speaker 38: the question asked. So you're right.

01:29:37 Speaker 38: So median household income for Gray

01:29:38 Speaker 38: County is about seventy-eight thousand dollars

01:29:39 Speaker 38: a year. So that is a

01:29:41 Speaker 38: data set that is amalgamated for

01:29:45 Speaker 38: both renters and owners. Um, so

01:29:49 Speaker 38: if you actually split out those

01:29:51 Speaker 38: populations, the income profiles are very

01:29:52 Speaker 38: different. Um, so I think median

01:29:53 Speaker 38: owner data. would probably see your

01:29:56 Speaker 38: household income somewhere close to about

01:29:57 Speaker 38: ninety thousand dollars a year. Whereas,

01:30:00 Speaker 38: if you're looking across that on

01:30:02 Speaker 38: a tenant basis, you can essentially

01:30:05 Speaker 38: cut that median seventy-eight, I don't

01:30:07 Speaker 38: know, sixty percent. So, like I,

01:30:09 Speaker 38: I think in Newburgh, for example,

01:30:12 Speaker 38: the median rent range is about

01:30:14 Speaker 38: forty-six thousand dollars a year. So,

01:30:16 Speaker 38: so the I think that's why

01:30:19 Speaker 38: we're talking so much around kind

01:30:22 Speaker 38: of the rental component because the

01:30:24 Speaker 38: need is very acute. Those numbers

01:30:26 Speaker 38: really don't work. for for households,

01:30:27 Speaker 38: with tenant households, but I think

01:30:29 Speaker 38: you're right. That certainly, what we're

01:30:33 Speaker 38: seeing come on in terms of

01:30:35 Speaker 38: new product for ownership housing, it's

01:30:37 Speaker 38: it's quite a bit above in

01:30:38 Speaker 38: terms of carrying costs. What we

01:30:40 Speaker 38: would see kind of affordable to

01:30:41 Speaker 38: that maybe in households or even

01:30:43 Speaker 38: households in the sixth and seventh

01:30:44 Speaker 38: deciles of household income. So we

01:30:46 Speaker 38: are seeing that. Kind of that

01:30:48 Speaker 38: expectation. I think there's going to

01:30:50 Speaker 38: be a lot of work in

01:30:52 Speaker 38: order for us to deliver on

01:30:54 Speaker 38: that expectation that the population or

01:30:56 Speaker 38: the the youth coming up would

01:30:59 Speaker 38: have those same opportunities. The federal

01:31:02 Speaker 38: government does highlight that in some

01:31:05 Speaker 38: of their foresight reporting, kind of

01:31:08 Speaker 38: speaking around the risks to social

01:31:09 Speaker 38: mobility if we see kind of

01:31:13 Speaker 38: existing trends going forward. And I

01:31:15 Speaker 38: think the income side of the

01:31:16 Speaker 38: equation is is definitely something that

01:31:19 Speaker 38: collectively. needs a look, because

01:31:21 Speaker 38: as you're right, the costs are

01:31:23 Speaker 38: definitely increasing. You can get to

01:31:26 Speaker 38: that fourteen hundred dollars a door

01:31:29 Speaker 38: very quickly, but the people who

01:31:32 Speaker 38: are trying to access that housing

01:31:33 Speaker 38: might have to pass eight, eight

01:31:35 Speaker 38: or nine, even if they're working

01:31:37 Speaker 38: full time, twelve hundred dollars a

01:31:37 Speaker 38: month. So, you know, I think

01:31:38 Speaker 38: I think that really does put

01:31:39 Speaker 38: a sharp focus on the need

01:31:41 Speaker 38: to look at that affordable piece.

01:31:44 Speaker 38: But I definitely take your point,

01:31:49 Speaker 38: and I think there is. work

01:31:50 Speaker 38: ongoing relating to ownership product and

01:31:52 Speaker 38: how we can make that more

01:31:54 Speaker 38: affordable as well. And so there

01:31:57 Speaker 38: are some emerging models. Some of

01:31:58 Speaker 38: that is around shared equity mortgages,

01:32:00 Speaker 38: and so there are tools coming

01:32:02 Speaker 38: out where you get kind of

01:32:03 Speaker 38: investment, whether it's through accessing grants

01:32:06 Speaker 38: or or pooled existing equity, and

01:32:07 Speaker 38: folks are able to kind of

01:32:10 Speaker 38: offer something like a second mortgage

01:32:11 Speaker 38: kind of product to help. allow

01:32:13 Speaker 38: folks to get into that housing

01:32:15 Speaker 38: that would not find it affordable

01:32:17 Speaker 38: otherwise, I could definitely share some

01:32:19 Speaker 38: information around those ownership-related tools too,

01:32:22 Speaker 38: if you'd be interested. I know

01:32:24 Speaker 38: the folks that are associated with

01:32:26 Speaker 38: Glassberg's—they have a model around some

01:32:27 Speaker 38: of those affordable mortgages as well,

01:32:29 Speaker 38: so that one might be of

01:32:31 Speaker 38: interest to take a look at.

01:32:32 Speaker 38: So, I guess not to go

01:32:35 Speaker 38: into all of the detail around

01:32:37 Speaker 38: those models, but just to say

01:32:39 Speaker 38: that there are some emerging models,

01:32:41 Speaker 38: similarly, as we're looking at now.

01:32:43 Speaker 38: Similarly, as we're looking at nonprofit

01:32:43 Speaker 38: and those philanthropic combined funds to

01:32:45 Speaker 38: create revenue, an opportunity to fund

01:32:47 Speaker 38: that kind of housing, there are

01:32:48 Speaker 38: folks working on that ownership piece

01:32:50 Speaker 38: as well, and it is a

01:32:52 Speaker 38: very important consideration. Speaking to some

01:32:54 Speaker 38: of the data that we're looking

01:32:56 Speaker 38: at, you know, I think where

01:32:58 Speaker 38: there's been a big question mark,

01:33:01 Speaker 38: it's like how do we define

01:33:03 Speaker 38: that attainable housing, or that missing

01:33:08 Speaker 38: middle a little bit more, and

01:33:10 Speaker 09: so I, I've been working. with

01:33:11 Speaker 09: neighbourhood staff actually, and some back

01:33:13 Speaker 09: and forth to try and kind

01:33:14 Speaker 09: of detail that a little bit

01:33:16 Speaker 09: more. And so that really does

01:33:17 Speaker 09: kind of get at that what

01:33:18 Speaker 09: is affordable in a home ownership

01:33:20 Speaker 09: context for the most part. And

01:33:21 Speaker 09: so I, my hope is that

01:33:24 Speaker 09: through the housing need assessment, we'll

01:33:27 Speaker 09: be able to articulate that with

01:33:28 Speaker 09: a little more clarity in what

01:33:30 Speaker 09: we mean when we say affordable

01:33:32 Speaker 09: versus attainable. What is attainable rental,

01:33:34 Speaker 09: right? So we know affordable, but

01:33:36 Speaker 09: we're So we know affordable. We're

01:33:38 Speaker 09: serving towards certain population and certain

01:33:39 Speaker 09: deciles of household income. What about

01:33:44 Speaker 09: those renters? The rent is still

01:33:45 Speaker 09: a little bit above. Is there?

01:33:47 Speaker 09: They have constrained options as well,

01:33:49 Speaker 26: right? So it really is about

01:33:50 Speaker 26: that full spectrum. But I think

01:33:51 Speaker 26: the focus on the rental and

01:33:54 Speaker 26: the deeply affordable is just because

01:33:58 Speaker 26: that need is so acute and

01:33:59 Speaker 26: the cost factors are so challenging

01:34:01 Speaker 26: to to navigate. So, perhaps leave

01:34:02 Speaker 26: that there. But happy to address

01:34:04 Speaker 26: a follow up or share additional

01:34:05 Speaker 26: information if you're. Yes, certainly. Whatever

01:34:06 Speaker 26: kind of follow-up, I think these

01:34:08 Speaker 26: questions that are being asked by

01:34:10 Speaker 26: one individual are in the heads

01:34:11 Speaker 26: of others as well. So I

01:34:12 Speaker 26: think the the more that we

01:34:13 Speaker 26: share, and the more that we

01:34:15 Speaker 26: can understand that, and how we

01:34:17 Speaker 26: fit into this puzzle of so

01:34:19 Speaker 26: many different organisations, so many working

01:34:23 Speaker 26: groups, so many individual municipalities, and

01:34:26 Speaker 26: the you're demonstrating the breadth of

01:34:29 Speaker 26: knowledge that you have, what's happening

01:34:30 Speaker 26: elsewhere, and and how we can

01:34:31 Speaker 26: bring it home here to Gray

01:34:33 Speaker 26: County to share as efficiently as

01:34:36 Speaker 26: possible, as well. So. thank you

01:34:39 Speaker 26: for that offering to do that

01:34:42 Speaker 26: kind of follow up. We'll go

01:34:44 Speaker 26: to Councillor Bordenille. Thank you, Madam

01:34:45 Speaker 26: Bordenille. Through you and thank you,

01:34:47 Speaker 26: Liz. Actually, you answered one of

01:34:49 Speaker 26: my questions in regards to attainable

01:34:51 Speaker 26: and affordable. We get that question

01:34:55 Speaker 26: asked all the time. Is is

01:34:58 Speaker 26: affordable? Social housing is attainable, even

01:35:00 Speaker 38: defined by the PPS. You know,

01:35:01 Speaker 38: we always look to the province

01:35:02 Speaker 38: for what their definition of attainable

01:35:04 Speaker 38: is, and is it home ownership,

01:35:05 Speaker 38: or is it home, or is

01:35:07 Speaker 38: At home, or is it rental?

01:35:09 Speaker 38: You know, is it eighty percent

01:35:11 Speaker 38: of market value? So I'm glad

01:35:13 Speaker 38: that you're going down that path,

01:35:16 Speaker 38: Madam Warden, as in her capacity

01:35:18 Speaker 38: as mayor, and I met with

01:35:20 Speaker 38: our largest ratepayers group. I believe

01:35:22 Speaker 38: it was last week when this

01:35:24 Speaker 38: report came out. So their questions

01:35:25 Speaker 38: more around number one, the fund,

01:35:27 Speaker 38: and is that strictly for affordable

01:35:31 Speaker 38: housing? Anything? Any thought of introducing

01:35:34 Speaker 38: that levy into attainable? And number

01:35:35 Speaker 38: two is under the CIP, how

01:35:36 Speaker 38: do you see that collabouration? Because

01:35:38 Speaker 38: I'm glad you mentioned affordable. and

01:35:40 Speaker 38: attainable housing creation in the two.

01:35:43 Speaker 38: The collabouration just in your 1.4

01:35:46 Speaker 38: in in the CIP comment on

01:35:48 Speaker 38: page two. How does that? How

01:35:49 Speaker 38: do you see the tie-in at

01:35:52 Speaker 38: the regional to the local level

01:35:54 Speaker 38: on the CIP? If you just

01:35:57 Speaker 38: extrapolate, that would be would be

01:36:00 Speaker 38: very advantageous. Thank you. Okay. Well,

01:36:02 Speaker 38: thank you, Andrew, Madam Warden. So

01:36:05 Speaker 38: yes, I think that affordable attainable

01:36:08 Speaker 38: question has it has been a

01:36:13 Speaker 38: pending question that I. It has

01:36:15 Speaker 38: been a pending question, and I

01:36:19 Speaker 38: know even just within some of

01:36:21 Speaker 38: the legislation, the province had floated

01:36:24 Speaker 38: maybe we would see a definition

01:36:27 Speaker 38: of attainable coming in regulation. We

01:36:29 Speaker 38: haven't yet, so maybe they're struggling

01:36:32 Speaker 38: with that definition too. It's a

01:36:34 Speaker 38: tricky one because of how the

01:36:36 Speaker 38: data sets fall. So, so maybe

01:36:38 Speaker 38: I'll start with the CIP question

01:36:41 Speaker 38: first, and then come back to

01:36:43 Speaker 38: the one around the fund. So,

01:36:45 Speaker 38: with respect to the CIPs, so

01:36:47 Speaker 38: as it stands right now, we

01:36:50 Speaker 38: have those documents in place at

01:36:51 Speaker 38: the local level. Each municipality. has

01:36:54 Speaker 38: certainly worked from the county template,

01:36:56 Speaker 38: but we do see some variety

01:36:59 Speaker 38: at the local level around the

01:37:01 Speaker 38: programmemes offered. There's quite a bit

01:37:04 Speaker 38: of variety around how those plans

01:37:05 Speaker 38: are resourced. So some municipalities have

01:37:07 Speaker 38: ongoing annual contributions into to funding

01:37:10 Speaker 38: those programmemes. Others have kind of

01:37:11 Speaker 38: a declining balance pot of money

01:37:14 Speaker 38: they're working from. So there's quite

01:37:15 Speaker 38: a bit of variety there. With

01:37:17 Speaker 38: respect to housing programmemes, there are

01:37:21 Speaker 38: some examples. Blue Mountains does have

01:37:22 Speaker 38: a housing-focused CIP as as one

01:37:25 Speaker 38: example locally, but I know elsewhere

01:37:27 Speaker 38: across the province there are other

01:37:28 Speaker 38: housing-focused CIPs, and oftentimes they are

01:37:33 Speaker 38: they are looking well at a

01:37:38 Speaker 38: variety of different housing types. Often

01:37:40 Speaker 38: conversions are addressed within within the

01:37:42 Speaker 38: CIP document. So we see those

01:37:44 Speaker 38: upper story conversions from office or

01:37:46 Speaker 38: storage space. into rentals. I think

01:37:47 Speaker 38: the challenge with CIPs is just

01:37:49 Speaker 38: the scale of the funds that

01:37:51 Speaker 38: are offered. So we talked about

01:37:52 Speaker 38: how quickly a developer can get

01:37:55 Speaker 38: to quite a high cost threshold

01:37:56 Speaker 38: in unit creation. If we're offering

01:37:58 Speaker 38: a matching fund grant and maybe

01:38:01 Speaker 38: maxes out at two or three

01:38:03 Speaker 38: or five thousand dollars relative to

01:38:05 Speaker 38: the overall costs, you know that's

01:38:07 Speaker 38: a tiny drop in in the

01:38:08 Speaker 38: larger bucket. What I envision here

01:38:10 Speaker 38: for the growth. What I envision

01:38:13 Speaker 38: here for the go forward is,

01:38:15 Speaker 38: you know, when we're looking at

01:38:18 Speaker 38: those plan updates around those housing

01:38:19 Speaker 38: initiatives and the CIPs, I think

01:38:21 Speaker 38: that scale consideration needs to be

01:38:23 Speaker 38: a lens that we're looking through.

01:38:25 Speaker 38: Obviously, we have the resources that

01:38:27 Speaker 38: we have to put towards those,

01:38:28 Speaker 38: but I I really am thinking

01:38:31 Speaker 38: that if we're able to kind

01:38:33 Speaker 38: of focus on the gaps within

01:38:35 Speaker 38: our particular community for those CIPs

01:38:36 Speaker 38: and offering kind of a greater

01:38:39 Speaker 38: amount to Amount towards those applications

01:38:41 Speaker 38: to make a bit of an

01:38:43 Speaker 38: oomph to those projects that could

01:38:45 Speaker 38: have some benefit. With respect to

01:38:47 Speaker 38: a county CIP, we can have

01:38:48 Speaker 38: some conversation around what we might

01:38:52 Speaker 38: like to to look at

01:38:54 Speaker 38: focusing on with that. In the

01:38:57 Speaker 38: CIPs right now, you know, the

01:39:00 Speaker 38: tax incremental equivalent grant is one

01:39:01 Speaker 38: of the tools that does actually

01:39:04 Speaker 38: hit that scale. We have been

01:39:05 Speaker 38: delivering that in partnership at the

01:39:08 Speaker 38: county level to. At the county

01:39:10 Speaker 38: level, too, for our component of

01:39:10 Speaker 38: tax increases, and so that idea

01:39:15 Speaker 38: of you know is there an

01:39:19 Speaker 36: alignment between a potential future county

01:39:20 Speaker 36: CIP and those local CIPs? You

01:39:21 Speaker 36: know, maybe we're looking to stack

01:39:23 Speaker 36: them, maybe we're looking to slightly

01:39:24 Speaker 36: tool them a little bit differently,

01:39:26 Speaker 36: so that we're looking at different

01:39:27 Speaker 36: gaps. So perhaps the county CIP

01:39:29 Speaker 36: focuses on deeply affordable, and the

01:39:31 Speaker 36: local CIPs will be on near

01:39:33 Speaker 36: market. I think there's that opportunity

01:39:36 Speaker 36: to have further discussion around how

01:39:38 Speaker 36: we. might tool those to align

01:39:39 Speaker 36: together, but ultimately, I do think

01:39:42 Speaker 36: they should be aligned together if

01:39:44 Speaker 36: we are looking to develop a

01:39:47 Speaker 36: county CIP. And then with

01:39:49 Speaker 36: respect to the fund, so my

01:39:51 Speaker 36: understanding, and I think Anne Marie

01:39:54 Speaker 36: Shaw is available if there are

01:39:57 Speaker 36: more detailed questions as well. But

01:40:00 Speaker 36: to date, my understanding is that

01:40:03 Speaker 36: the fund has very much focused

01:40:05 Speaker 36: around most vulnerable population, and

01:40:08 Speaker 36: so if you look at the

01:40:10 Speaker 36: projects that have been funded, as

01:40:12 Speaker 36: are listed in the report. They

01:40:14 Speaker 36: are largely supportive, transitional, and deeply

01:40:16 Speaker 36: affordable partnered projects. My understanding is

01:40:18 Speaker 36: that was the intended focus for

01:40:20 Speaker 36: that fund. So I think if

01:40:21 Speaker 36: there was a discussion around other

01:40:23 Speaker 36: projects, that that would be a

01:40:24 Speaker 36: broader discussion to be had. I

01:40:28 Speaker 36: don't know. I think that maybe

01:40:30 Speaker 36: one could speak to that. Would

01:40:33 Speaker 36: you be to that kindling to

01:40:35 Speaker 36: join us? Go ahead, Director Taylor.

01:40:37 Speaker 36: Thank you, Madam Warden, and and

01:40:40 Speaker 36: thank you, Liz, and certainly turned

01:40:42 Speaker 36: over to Maria if there is

01:40:45 Speaker 36: anything. I just to Councillor Bardenyron's

01:40:47 Speaker 36: points and and to some of

01:40:49 Speaker 36: Councillor Greg's points. I note that

01:40:51 Speaker 36: that a lot of what you

01:40:52 Speaker 36: see at council and a lot

01:40:54 Speaker 36: of sort of the community services

01:41:01 Speaker 36: portfolio, as Liz has mentioned, is

01:41:04 Speaker 36: is is those most vulnerable and

01:41:05 Speaker 36: the deepest need. But I will

01:41:06 Speaker 36: say there's other things that County

01:41:08 Speaker 36: Council has taken leadership on to

01:41:11 Speaker 21: support those attainable products, and and

01:41:12 Speaker 21: the one that I point to

01:41:14 Speaker 21: is. the the development charges exemption

01:41:17 Speaker 21: agreements that we enter into for

01:41:18 Speaker 21: for rental housing, and and so

01:41:20 Speaker 21: four years ago ish, the county

01:41:22 Speaker 21: was seeing a distinct lack of

01:41:24 Speaker 21: rental housing being being created, and

01:41:25 Speaker 21: and county council opted to to

01:41:29 Speaker 21: empower staff to enter into these

01:41:31 Speaker 21: development charges exemption agreements, whereby if

01:41:33 Speaker 21: somebody is providing purpose built rental

01:41:36 Speaker 21: and if they maintain that purpose

01:41:37 Speaker 21: built rental for a period of

01:41:40 Speaker 21: time. then they don't need to

01:41:41 Speaker 21: pay those county development charges, and

01:41:47 Speaker 21: and we have heard positive feedback

01:41:49 Speaker 09: from developers in in a number

01:41:50 Speaker 09: of our municipalities that said this

01:41:51 Speaker 09: is one of the things that

01:41:55 Speaker 09: really tip the balance to to

01:41:57 Speaker 09: helping choose to develop in municipality

01:41:58 Speaker 09: X in Gray County, and and

01:41:59 Speaker 09: those development charge exemption agreements for

01:42:00 Speaker 09: purpose built rental housing don't come

01:42:02 Speaker 09: with any affordability threshold, so in

01:42:03 Speaker 09: some cases they they wouldn't meet

01:42:05 Speaker 09: the provincial definition of affordable. but

01:42:07 Speaker 09: are probably in that slightly more

01:42:09 Speaker 09: nebulous definition that we don't have

01:42:13 Speaker 09: on paper of of attainable in

01:42:14 Speaker 09: that regard, and we've definitely seen

01:42:16 Speaker 09: a spike in in rental housing

01:42:18 Speaker 09: being built since then. So thank

01:42:19 Speaker 09: you. Okay, thank you. And do

01:42:22 Speaker 09: we have Director Shaw? Director Shaw,

01:42:25 Speaker 09: is there anything else you wanted

01:42:29 Speaker 09: to add? Just while there's a

01:42:30 Speaker 09: pause in questions from council. Sure,

01:42:32 Speaker 09: sure. Thank you, Mr. Morton. The

01:42:35 Speaker 09: fund itself. is fund from the

01:42:37 Speaker 09: one percent levy, but it's also

01:42:39 Speaker 09: from the proceeds of our Westmount

01:42:41 Speaker 09: sales. So we do have some

01:42:43 Speaker 09: older housing built in the nineteen

01:42:45 Speaker 09: fifties that we are selling off,

01:42:47 Speaker 09: and using the proceeds of that

01:42:48 Speaker 09: to provide seed funding for other

01:42:50 Speaker 09: housing. When the affordable housing fund

01:42:51 Speaker 09: was developed by our task force

01:42:53 Speaker 09: on affordable housing, it was directed

01:42:54 Speaker 09: towards our most vulnerable. We do

01:42:56 Speaker 09: have a number of projects in

01:42:59 Speaker 09: line waiting for funding, and so

01:43:00 Speaker 09: that. And so that's where we

01:43:03 Speaker 09: have directed the funding from this

01:43:04 Speaker 09: point forward. Okay, thank you for

01:43:07 Speaker 09: that background. And I'm just looking

01:43:09 Speaker 09: around; I don't see any further

01:43:10 Speaker 09: hands up here nor online. So,

01:43:13 Speaker 09: given us lots to think about,

01:43:16 Speaker 09: and I think there is there

01:43:18 Speaker 09: is an appetite to hear further

01:43:20 Speaker 09: from you in terms of follow

01:43:21 Speaker 09: up on this, and also as

01:43:24 Speaker 09: there are new players in the

01:43:32 Speaker 09: loop as well, like the the

01:43:33 Speaker 09: great news that comes from the

01:43:35 Speaker 09: Community Foundation, Gray Bruce. You know,

01:43:36 Speaker 09: to be. Great, Bruce. You know,

01:43:37 Speaker 09: to be able to jump into

01:43:39 Speaker 09: that that economic sustainable aspect of

01:43:42 Speaker 09: it, how how can we make

01:43:43 Speaker 09: it work? So, I think there's

01:43:44 Speaker 09: an appetite among the lower tiers

01:45:55 Speaker 14: and the various different working groups,

01:53:48 Speaker 16: etc., to be able to keep

01:53:49 Speaker 16: working together, as has been established,

01:54:16 Speaker 14: and and to help walk through

01:54:18 Speaker 02: this. What is the difference? I'm

01:54:19 Speaker 02: really glad that you did highlight,

01:54:20 Speaker 02: though, that no matter what definition

01:54:22 Speaker 02: we land on with attainable. that

01:54:23 Speaker 02: if we're helping workforce housing, we're

01:54:25 Speaker 02: also helping deep needs housing, and

01:54:26 Speaker 02: vice versa. And you know, and

01:54:28 Speaker 02: remembering that workforce housing goes beyond;

01:54:29 Speaker 02: it's also what seniors can afford

01:54:32 Speaker 02: when they're out of the workforce,

01:54:33 Speaker 02: but they'll have varying levels of

01:54:35 Speaker 02: what they can afford to live

01:54:38 Speaker 02: in as well. So, I know

01:54:40 Speaker 02: we all see it. We're all

01:54:42 Speaker 02: just trying to navigate through this

01:54:45 Speaker 02: together. So, thank you. Okay, it

01:54:47 Speaker 02: has been moved and seconded to

01:54:50 Speaker 02: receive for information. So, I'll just

01:54:51 Speaker 02: ask. I'll call the vote. All

01:54:52 Speaker 02: those in favour. And that motion

01:54:56 Speaker 02: is carried. Thank you. Thank you

01:54:59 Speaker 02: to all of the staff who

01:55:00 Speaker 02: have provided that information. Okay, so

01:55:03 Speaker 02: that takes care of item seven

01:55:05 Speaker 02: B. So we are now going

01:55:08 Speaker 02: to move back to the item

01:55:14 Speaker 02: that was pulled from the consent,

01:55:17 Speaker 02: right, Madam Clerk? Item sixty. Oh,

01:55:20 Speaker 45: sorry. Thank you. Okay, there's been

01:55:23 Speaker 45: a request for a break. I'm

01:55:26 Speaker 45: sorry. I was trying to race

01:55:29 Speaker 45: through, thinking you know, thinking ahead

01:55:33 Speaker 45: to the fact that we have

01:55:35 Speaker 45: our agenda items later this afternoon

01:55:38 Speaker 45: as well. Well thought. Yes, let's

01:55:40 Speaker 45: take a break for ten minutes

01:55:44 Speaker 45: and reconvene at ten to twelve.

01:55:45 Speaker 09: Thank you. Okay. committee. The whole

01:55:47 Speaker 09: members. We are approaching ten two.

01:55:48 Speaker 09: Okay, so I see our online

01:55:49 Speaker 09: members are back here, as well

01:55:55 Speaker 09: as we are here in the

01:55:57 Speaker 09: chamber, and we are continuing on

01:55:59 Speaker 32: with the agenda of our committee

01:56:01 Speaker 32: the whole session. We are at

01:56:03 Speaker 32: item sixty, the item that was

01:56:05 Speaker 32: pulled from the consent agenda, and

01:56:06 Speaker 32: first of all, to get it

01:56:09 Speaker 32: onto the floor, it is recommended.

01:56:11 Speaker 32: that report PDR CW sixty seven

01:56:14 Speaker 32: twenty five be received, and that

01:56:16 Speaker 32: the application for minor exemption under

01:56:18 Speaker 32: the county's forest management bylaw for

01:56:19 Speaker 32: part lot thirty one concession five

01:56:20 Speaker 32: geographic township of of Artemisia, now

01:56:24 Speaker 32: in the municipality of Grey Highlands,

01:56:25 Speaker 09: municipally known as two one three

01:56:27 Speaker 09: one five nine thirty side road,

01:56:30 Speaker 09: be approved. May I ask for

01:56:32 Speaker 09: a mover and a seconder? It

01:56:33 Speaker 09: is moved by Councillor Mackie, and

01:56:35 Speaker 09: seconded. seconded by Councillor Kevany. It's

01:56:37 Speaker 09: now on the floor for discussion,

01:56:39 Speaker 09: and we have Sarah Johnson is

01:56:41 Speaker 09: going to provide some explanation, and

01:56:44 Speaker 09: then we will hear County Committee

01:56:45 Speaker 09: the whole questions. Thank you, Warden.

01:56:46 Speaker 09: I, I don't, I don't have

01:56:48 Speaker 09: a formal presentation, but essentially what

01:56:50 Speaker 09: we have here is an an

01:56:52 Speaker 09: application for minor exemption to clear.

01:56:54 Speaker 09: a young plantation that was

01:56:56 Speaker 09: not successfully growing, and and so

01:56:59 Speaker 09: the applicant made the request to

01:57:02 Speaker 09: clear those those fields up. That

01:57:04 Speaker 09: was supported by our by law

01:57:07 Speaker 09: enforcement officer as well as our

01:57:08 Speaker 09: ecology staff. Okay, thank you for

01:57:10 Speaker 09: that context. So with that, then

01:57:11 Speaker 09: we'll open the floor. Councillor McKay,

01:57:13 Speaker 09: I'll look to you as you

01:57:16 Speaker 09: had requested that we pull it.

01:57:16 Speaker 09: Thank you, Warden. No, I think

01:57:18 Speaker 09: you pretty well answered my question.

01:57:21 Speaker 09: My my question was because it

01:57:25 Speaker 09: doesn't really explain it. It sounded

01:57:28 Speaker 09: like a clear cut to me,

01:57:30 Speaker 09: and I was going to ask the question too: Is this a plantation, and if this plantation is ready to harvest, fine and dandy. But now that I hear that it didn't really take to begin with, it's just a bunch of scrub brush, I guess. Now, so I have no problem. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. So that's the answer that's provided for that. Any other questions or comments? Okay, then thank you, Ms. Johnson. That seems to have sufficed. So I'll call the vote. Then, all those in favour, and that motion is carried. Thank you again. All right. So now we are going to head into closed session for two different matters. It's recommended that the committee of the whole does now go into closed session pursuant to Section Two Thirty Nine Two of the Municipal Act Two Thousand and One as amended. 2001, as amended, to discuss number one personal matters about an identifiable individual, including municipal or local board employees, with regards to staff succession planning, and the second item will be a position plan or procedure, criteria or instruction to be applied to any negotiations carried on or to be carried on by or on behalf of the municipality or local board with regards to Georgian College. May I ask for a mover and a seconder? It's moved by Councillor Patterson and seconded by. Councillor McKay. And any discussion? All those in favour? Okay. That motion is carried. So we will now ready the room for the close session.

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