Grey County County Council Meeting Transcript — June 25, 2026

00:00:04 Speaker 01: Excellent. Thank you very much. I'd

00:00:05 Speaker 01: like to call to order this

00:00:06 Speaker 01: meeting. Good morning, virtually, of June

00:00:09 Speaker 01: twenty fifth, twenty twenty six. At

00:00:11 Speaker 01: this point in time, as you

00:00:13 Speaker 01: are able, please join us in

00:00:14 Speaker 01: the standing for and singing of

00:00:16 Speaker 01: O Canada. our home and native

00:00:35 Speaker 01: land, true patriot love in all

00:00:42 Speaker 02: of us command. With glowing hearts,

00:00:48 Speaker 02: we see thee rise, the true

00:00:51 Speaker 03: North, strong and free, from far

00:00:56 Speaker 03: and wide, O Canada. we stand

00:01:00 Speaker 03: on guard for thee. God keep

00:01:06 Speaker 03: our land, glorious and free. O

00:01:14 Speaker 03: Canada, we stand. on guard for

00:01:19 Speaker 03: thee. Thank you, Madam Clerk. Could

00:01:27 Speaker 03: you please conduct a roll call

00:01:44 Speaker 03: for this morning? Thank you. I

00:01:46 Speaker 03: can, and I can confirm that

00:01:51 Speaker 03: we have all members in attendance.

00:01:53 Speaker 03: with the exception of Councillor Pringle,

00:01:54 Speaker 03: who is absent today, and Councillor

00:01:56 Speaker 03: McKay, who I believe we are

00:01:58 Speaker 03: expecting later this morning. Okay. And

00:02:00 Speaker 03: with that, let us begin with

00:02:02 Speaker 03: the land acknowledgement. Let us begin

00:02:11 Speaker 04: by acknowledging with respect that we

00:02:15 Speaker 04: are gathered on the traditional territory

00:02:17 Speaker 05: of the Anishinaabe Nation, the people

00:02:18 Speaker 05: of the Three Fires, known as

00:02:20 Speaker 05: the Ojibwe. the Odawa, and Potawatomi

00:02:22 Speaker 05: nations. We give thanks to the

00:02:24 Speaker 05: Chippewas of Saugeen and the Chippewas

00:02:27 Speaker 05: of Nawash, known collectively as the

00:02:30 Speaker 05: Saugeen Ojibwe Nation, the traditional keepers

00:02:32 Speaker 05: of these lands and waters since

00:02:34 Speaker 05: time immemorial. In our south lies

00:02:36 Speaker 05: the traditional territories of the six

00:02:40 Speaker 05: nations of the Grand River Haudenosaunee.

00:02:42 Speaker 05: We are dedicated to honoring Indigenous

00:02:43 Speaker 05: history and culture, and committed to

00:02:47 Speaker 05: moving forward in the spirit. of

00:02:49 Speaker 05: truth, reconciliation, collaboration, and friendship with

00:02:52 Speaker 05: all First Nations, Métis, and Inuit

00:02:56 Speaker 05: people. On our county council agenda

00:02:59 Speaker 05: this morning, we have the adoption

00:03:07 Speaker 05: of the minutes. It's recommended that

00:03:09 Speaker 05: the minutes of county council meeting

00:03:10 Speaker 05: and the committee of the whole

00:03:12 Speaker 05: meeting, dated June eleventh, twenty twenty

00:03:14 Speaker 05: six, and the resolutions contained therein

00:03:15 Speaker 05: be adopted as presented. I'm going

00:03:18 Speaker 05: to look for a mover and

00:03:21 Speaker 05: a seconder, but then I'm going

00:03:21 Speaker 05: to look to Director Taylor, who

00:03:23 Speaker 05: will speak to an item on

00:03:23 Speaker 05: that before we vote. May I

00:03:25 Speaker 05: ask for a mover and a

00:03:27 Speaker 05: seconder? Got a move by Councillor

00:03:28 Speaker 05: Gregg, seconded by Councillor Mackie. It's

00:03:30 Speaker 05: now on the floor for discussion.

00:03:32 Speaker 05: So, welcome, Director Taylor. Great, thank

00:03:33 Speaker 05: you, Madam Warden, and good morning,

00:03:38 Speaker 05: Madam Warden, members of Council, and

00:03:39 Speaker 05: all those that might be tuning

00:03:41 Speaker 05: in today. Thank you for allowing

00:03:42 Speaker 06: me to to speak to you

00:03:44 Speaker 06: here this morning with respect to

00:03:45 Speaker 06: these minutes. Staff just wanted to

00:03:46 Speaker 06: clarify a few things. with respect

00:03:48 Speaker 06: to the the resolution that was

00:03:49 Speaker 06: passed on the Beaver and Coyote

00:03:52 Speaker 06: report, which was item C on

00:03:54 Speaker 06: two weeks ago's committee of of

00:03:57 Speaker 06: the whole agenda. Certainly, it was

00:03:59 Speaker 06: a good discussion, and staff have

00:04:01 Speaker 06: taken the direction that we are

00:04:02 Speaker 06: to prepare modified versions of the

00:04:03 Speaker 06: bylaws for council's consideration at a

00:04:06 Speaker 06: later date. And staff have further

00:04:08 Speaker 06: taken the direction that the the

00:04:09 Speaker 06: compensation rates under the Beaver and

00:04:13 Speaker 06: Coyote bylaws are to match those

00:04:14 Speaker 06: of Bruce County. However, there was

00:04:16 Speaker 06: there was a lot of discussion

00:04:18 Speaker 06: that day, and there was a

00:04:19 Speaker 06: few other points that were discussed

00:04:20 Speaker 06: that staff just wanted to sort

00:04:22 Speaker 06: of verify some assumptions on, so

00:04:24 Speaker 06: to speak. So, if it if

00:04:25 Speaker 06: it works for for the warden

00:04:26 Speaker 06: and council, I'm going to go

00:04:28 Speaker 06: through what staff believe we were

00:04:30 Speaker 06: directed to do, and if I've

00:04:32 Speaker 06: erred, then then then council can

00:04:35 Speaker 06: can chime in and and let

00:04:37 Speaker 06: us know what their exact direction

00:04:39 Speaker 06: was. So, again, as as I

00:04:40 Speaker 06: said, it would be renewing the

00:04:42 Speaker 06: bylaws, it would be compensation at

00:04:43 Speaker 06: the Bruce County rate. Staff also.

00:04:47 Speaker 06: believe we heard support for keeping

00:04:50 Speaker 06: the requirement that there be proof

00:04:52 Speaker 06: of a kill via the collection

00:04:54 Speaker 06: of ears and tails, and municipal

00:04:58 Speaker 06: certification for those those bounties. Staff

00:05:01 Speaker 06: also believe we heard that there

00:05:03 Speaker 06: would be no more bounties paid

00:05:05 Speaker 06: on public lands, so that primarily

00:05:09 Speaker 06: affects the the beaver bylaw. So

00:05:11 Speaker 06: the the trappers would be compensated

00:05:13 Speaker 06: directly by the public authority rather.

00:05:16 Speaker 06: than being compensated via the bounty

00:05:19 Speaker 06: and the public authority, staff believe

00:05:21 Speaker 06: that council were okay with the

00:05:24 Speaker 06: transition to to online forms rather

00:05:25 Speaker 06: than needing a paper form. In

00:05:27 Speaker 06: that regard, again, we were clear

00:05:29 Speaker 06: about the Bruce County rates. The

00:05:31 Speaker 06: one recommendation in the staff report,

00:05:33 Speaker 06: though, was that we continue indexing

00:05:37 Speaker 06: those rates annually based on on

00:05:40 Speaker 06: on CPI or inflation. In that

00:05:42 Speaker 06: regard, so staff have assumed for

00:05:44 Speaker 06: twenty seven if the For 27,

00:05:45 Speaker 06: if the bylaws were to pass

00:05:46 Speaker 06: by then, we would go to

00:05:48 Speaker 06: the Bruce County rates of $50

00:05:51 Speaker 06: per beaver and $100 per coyote.

00:05:54 Speaker 06: But then into 28 and beyond,

00:05:57 Speaker 06: that would be indexed annually in

00:05:58 Speaker 06: that regard. One of the other

00:06:01 Speaker 06: recommendations in the staff report was

00:06:02 Speaker 06: with respect to removing the need

00:06:04 Speaker 06: for a trapper to be a

00:06:07 Speaker 06: resident of Gray County. They would

00:06:08 Speaker 06: still need to ensure that the

00:06:09 Speaker 06: trapping is done in Gray County,

00:06:11 Speaker 06: and we would still need a

00:06:13 Speaker 06: landowner certification to say it was.

00:06:14 Speaker 06: done in Gray County, but if

00:06:17 Speaker 06: a trapper lived in Brewster, Wellington,

00:06:18 Speaker 06: or Duffryn, then certainly they would

00:06:20 Speaker 06: still be eligible to collect that.

00:06:22 Speaker 06: And the final bit of discussion,

00:06:23 Speaker 06: and there was a fair bit

00:06:26 Speaker 06: of discussion on this, is particular

00:06:27 Speaker 06: to the coyote bylaw, and this

00:06:28 Speaker 06: was as to whether or not

00:06:31 Speaker 06: there was going to need to

00:06:33 Speaker 06: be a livestock attack first, or

00:06:35 Speaker 06: if a coyote could be claimed

00:06:39 Speaker 06: when there had been no livestock

00:06:41 Speaker 06: attacks. And and staff believe. that

00:06:43 Speaker 06: there was good discussion back and

00:06:45 Speaker 06: forth. We've taken the direction that

00:06:49 Speaker 06: there should still be a livestock

00:06:51 Speaker 06: attack, but but if if council

00:06:53 Speaker 06: feels otherwise, we're certainly open to

00:06:54 Speaker 06: direction. So those were the six

00:06:56 Speaker 06: points that we just wanted to

00:06:57 Speaker 06: verify. So through you, Madam Warden,

00:06:59 Speaker 06: if we could just get you

00:07:00 Speaker 06: know either yep, that's what we

00:07:01 Speaker 06: we meant, or no, we want

00:07:03 Speaker 06: you to do X, Y, or

00:07:04 Speaker 06: Z, then that would be extremely

00:07:05 Speaker 06: helpful to staff in preparing these

00:07:08 Speaker 06: bylaws for council's consideration. And with

00:07:09 Speaker 05: that, I'll turn it back to

00:07:10 Speaker 05: you. Okay, thank you very much.

00:07:12 Speaker 05: Director Taylor, and thank you for

00:07:13 Speaker 05: those who have raised their virtual

00:07:15 Speaker 05: hand. I think for today, for

00:07:16 Speaker 05: our virtual format, when we get

00:07:18 Speaker 05: to discussion items, it's best that

00:07:19 Speaker 05: we use the virtual hand. It

00:07:21 Speaker 05: helps me keep make sure that

00:07:24 Speaker 05: I'm not missing anyone, as the

00:07:25 Speaker 05: screens sometimes change around on my

00:07:28 Speaker 05: on what I see on my

00:07:30 Speaker 05: laptop. We'll call our votes with

00:07:32 Speaker 05: with a an actual in person

00:07:34 Speaker 05: hand up in front, but I'll

00:07:35 Speaker 05: ask for a discussion to go

00:07:36 Speaker 05: by virtual hand. So with that,

00:07:39 Speaker 05: I'm going to start at the

00:07:41 Speaker 07: top of the list, which is

00:07:44 Speaker 07: Councillor Dobruck. Top the list, which

00:07:47 Speaker 07: is Councillor Dobrin. Thank you, Warden,

00:07:51 Speaker 07: and thank you, Scott. Good morning,

00:07:53 Speaker 07: everyone. My one question was with

00:07:58 Speaker 07: regard to the conversations we had.

00:08:01 Speaker 07: That, of course, we would continue

00:08:05 Speaker 07: to try to educate and encourage

00:08:08 Speaker 07: our farming community, our agricultural community,

00:08:11 Speaker 07: to employ other non-lethal methods, as

00:08:16 Speaker 07: in fencing or guardian dogs, we're

00:08:19 Speaker 07: doing our part locally to ensure

00:08:22 Speaker 07: that guardian dogs are exempt from

00:08:24 Speaker 07: certain canine bylaws. Could you clarify

00:08:28 Speaker 07: that, Scott? That for for especially

00:08:30 Speaker 07: for those listening, perhaps to this

00:08:35 Speaker 07: discussion, that we will continue to

00:08:40 Speaker 06: provide better educate or more education

00:08:42 Speaker 06: to the public and to encourage

00:08:44 Speaker 06: those other. non-lethal means. Thank you,

00:08:46 Speaker 06: Mr. Mottamorton. Thank you for your

00:08:48 Speaker 06: your comments, Councilor Devereen. Yes, I

00:08:51 Speaker 06: should have mentioned that staff took

00:08:53 Speaker 06: the direction that we will still

00:08:55 Speaker 06: look at education, and and so

00:08:56 Speaker 06: the education, as described in in

00:08:59 Speaker 06: Sarah's report from two weeks ago,

00:09:02 Speaker 06: was was sort of looking at

00:09:05 Speaker 06: the issue on both sides of

00:09:07 Speaker 06: the fence. Yes, certainly we'd we'd

00:09:09 Speaker 06: look to work with municipalities, landowners,

00:09:11 Speaker 06: farm groups to. provide more education

00:09:14 Speaker 06: on on non lethal control methods,

00:09:15 Speaker 06: whether they be for beavers or

00:09:18 Speaker 06: coyotes. But we'd also look to

00:09:19 Speaker 06: to work with those same farm

00:09:23 Speaker 06: groups to help educate those that

00:09:25 Speaker 06: that might not have been born

00:09:27 Speaker 06: and raised in in rural Ontario

00:09:28 Speaker 06: on some of the realities of

00:09:30 Speaker 06: modern farming and and helping people

00:09:32 Speaker 06: understand why farmers might be employing

00:09:33 Speaker 06: the techniques they do, whether they

00:09:35 Speaker 06: are non lethal or lethal in

00:09:37 Speaker 06: that regard. So we're certainly not

00:09:38 Speaker 06: looking to recreate the wheel. and

00:09:40 Speaker 06: and if there's a farm

00:09:42 Speaker 06: commodity group or another group that

00:09:43 Speaker 06: already has great literature out there,

00:09:45 Speaker 06: then then you know maybe we

00:09:48 Speaker 06: could borrow or work with them

00:09:50 Speaker 06: on that. But we've we've definitely

00:09:53 Speaker 06: taken council's direction that that education

00:09:54 Speaker 06: needs to be a key component

00:09:58 Speaker 06: of this, even if the bylaws

00:10:01 Speaker 06: are are sort of repassed later

00:10:03 Speaker 06: this year or or at a

00:10:04 Speaker 06: later date. Thank you. Okay, thank

00:10:08 Speaker 08: you very much. Then we'll move

00:10:10 Speaker 08: on to Councillor McQueen. Thank you,

00:10:11 Speaker 08: Madam Warden, and. Even Adam Warden

00:10:12 Speaker 08: and County Councilor. Good morning, and

00:10:15 Speaker 08: those that are watching. A couple

00:10:18 Speaker 08: things. I'll go back to what

00:10:21 Speaker 08: Director Taylor was asking for clarity.

00:10:24 Speaker 08: Is I think if you wait

00:10:27 Speaker 08: to, in my opinion, you wait

00:10:28 Speaker 08: to a kill, it's too late.

00:10:30 Speaker 08: A lot of hunters will hunt

00:10:31 Speaker 08: during sometimes during the winter season

00:10:33 Speaker 08: when they have time, or or

00:10:35 Speaker 08: farmer hunters. So per se, and

00:10:36 Speaker 08: and so sometimes they don't have

00:10:38 Speaker 08: the trap trap, or the hunters

00:10:41 Speaker 08: don't. have time, maybe at that

00:10:43 Speaker 08: particular time, but they do have

00:10:45 Speaker 08: time more into winter months. So,

00:10:46 Speaker 08: in my opinion, it should not

00:10:48 Speaker 08: wait to a kill because then

00:10:50 Speaker 08: it's too late. I think this

00:10:52 Speaker 08: should be something that's proactive and

00:10:54 Speaker 08: try to get the numbers down,

00:10:57 Speaker 08: just in the sense. So that's

00:11:01 Speaker 08: my opinion on that. Maybe there's

00:11:04 Speaker 08: other ones that don't need straw

00:11:07 Speaker 08: pull. Not the other thing on

00:11:10 Speaker 08: with regards to education to the

00:11:10 Speaker 08: farmers. I will say that there

00:11:12 Speaker 08: are a number of farmers that

00:11:14 Speaker 08: are are doing. as best they

00:11:17 Speaker 08: can fencing and security dogs and

00:11:19 Speaker 08: even with regards to donkeys or

00:11:20 Speaker 08: mules as well, you know, and

00:11:23 Speaker 08: that's another another part. But I

00:11:26 Speaker 08: will tell you a little story

00:11:28 Speaker 08: of a farmer who had sheep

00:11:29 Speaker 08: who put up a chain link

00:11:32 Speaker 08: fence around the area of the

00:11:33 Speaker 08: paddock. You can't beat a chain

00:11:35 Speaker 08: link fence if it's if it's

00:11:38 Speaker 08: that big of the holes and

00:11:39 Speaker 08: it's eight feet high. The coyotes

00:11:40 Speaker 08: were digging underneath the fence to

00:11:42 Speaker 08: get to the to the sheep.

00:11:44 Speaker 08: So you can do as much

00:11:46 Speaker 08: as you can, but if there

00:11:48 Speaker 08: are determined coyotes, they will find

00:11:50 Speaker 08: a way or means that if

00:11:52 Speaker 08: they can. So education is good.

00:11:53 Speaker 08: You try to do your best,

00:11:56 Speaker 08: and a lot of particular sheep

00:11:57 Speaker 08: farmers will try to put their

00:12:00 Speaker 08: livestock in at night if they

00:12:02 Speaker 08: can, and and that sort of

00:12:05 Speaker 08: thing. And certainly, a number of

00:12:06 Speaker 08: people have the big white dogs

00:12:10 Speaker 08: that they use for protection. That

00:12:12 Speaker 09: we use for protection, and but

00:12:16 Speaker 09: it's not perfect, and I think

00:12:18 Speaker 09: people have to understand that it's

00:12:22 Speaker 09: not perfect. So anyway, that's just

00:12:23 Speaker 09: my my opinion on those two

00:12:25 Speaker 09: items, Madam Chair. Okay, thank you

00:12:27 Speaker 10: very much. Next, we'll go to

00:12:28 Speaker 10: Councillor Mackey. Thank you, Warden Matrasoff.

00:12:30 Speaker 10: Good morning, County Council. Just wanted

00:12:35 Speaker 10: to chime in on Councillor McQueen's.

00:12:36 Speaker 10: I agree. the The livestock kill

00:12:39 Speaker 10: part of the bylaw, you know.

00:12:40 Speaker 10: we've been told that often the

00:12:42 Speaker 10: carcass isn't there, like a small

00:12:45 Speaker 10: lamb. There won't be any sign

00:12:50 Speaker 10: of a carcass, other than the

00:12:55 Speaker 10: the poor farmer is down one

00:12:59 Speaker 10: animal. So, I don't believe proof

00:13:00 Speaker 10: of kill. We can always go

00:13:02 Speaker 10: with that. So, I think we

00:13:05 Speaker 10: we don't need to have that

00:13:07 Speaker 10: in the bylaw. Just a question

00:13:09 Speaker 10: for Director Taylor. You mentioned residency

00:13:13 Speaker 10: for trappers. What about residence? residency

00:13:15 Speaker 10: for hunters that are out out

00:13:17 Speaker 10: after the coyotes? Do they need

00:13:19 Speaker 10: to be from from the county,

00:13:20 Speaker 10: Scott, or can they be from

00:13:21 Speaker 10: other parts of the province? I

00:13:24 Speaker 10: guess my concern might be: Are

00:13:26 Speaker 10: we going to attract people from

00:13:28 Speaker 10: other areas in that may not

00:13:30 Speaker 10: always abide by our trespass rules

00:13:31 Speaker 10: and have permission to hunt on

00:13:33 Speaker 10: properties? I know the hunters. that

00:13:38 Speaker 06: are out there now that are

00:13:40 Speaker 06: doing it on a regular basis.

00:13:42 Speaker 06: You know, know their community and

00:13:43 Speaker 06: have permission from the landowners. So

00:13:44 Speaker 06: I do have concern about too

00:13:46 Speaker 06: many people from outside of the

00:13:47 Speaker 06: area coming in. So if you

00:13:51 Speaker 06: could just clarify that for me,

00:13:53 Speaker 06: please. Through you, Madam Morden. Yeah,

00:13:56 Speaker 06: thank you for your question and

00:14:00 Speaker 06: and your comments, Councillor Mackie. Sarah

00:14:04 Speaker 06: has a better depth of knowledge

00:14:05 Speaker 06: on this than I do, but

00:14:09 Speaker 06: my understanding of the current bylaws

00:14:10 Speaker 06: for both the beavers and the

00:14:14 Speaker 06: coyotes is. a it requires a

00:14:15 Speaker 06: landowner sign off to say that

00:14:16 Speaker 06: yes they've given permission to trapper

00:14:19 Speaker 06: X to to be trapping on

00:14:22 Speaker 06: their property, and and and b

00:14:23 Speaker 06: it requires a a licensed trapper

00:14:26 Speaker 06: in that regard, so they have

00:14:27 Speaker 06: to show their their trapping license

00:14:28 Speaker 06: number in that regard. So not

00:14:29 Speaker 06: just anyone can go out and

00:14:32 Speaker 06: and and trap those animals whether

00:14:34 Speaker 06: they be beavers or coyotes and

00:14:36 Speaker 06: that. Whether they be beavers or

00:14:37 Speaker 06: coyotes in that regard, and so

00:14:39 Speaker 06: the reason for sort of the

00:14:40 Speaker 06: the you know relaxation, if you

00:14:43 Speaker 06: will, on on the out of

00:14:45 Speaker 06: county residency was based on the

00:14:48 Speaker 06: fact that you know one of

00:14:50 Speaker 06: the things we heard at the

00:14:53 Speaker 06: public meeting and elsewhere was we

00:14:55 Speaker 06: don't have that many trappers in

00:14:58 Speaker 06: the area anymore that are are

00:15:01 Speaker 06: licensed to do this, and and

00:15:03 Speaker 06: you know many of them appear

00:15:04 Speaker 06: to be of a similar vintage

00:15:07 Speaker 06: whereby they might not be trapping

00:15:09 Speaker 06: for too too much longer, and

00:15:10 Speaker 06: so by by relaxing that. it

00:15:11 Speaker 06: gives a little bit more flexibility,

00:15:14 Speaker 06: but staff would still be looking

00:15:16 Speaker 06: to see that that the animal

00:15:18 Speaker 06: was indeed trapped in Gray County

00:15:21 Speaker 06: by a licensed trapper. In that

00:15:25 Speaker 06: regard, the current bylaw requires residency,

00:15:26 Speaker 06: but that it also has an

00:15:29 Speaker 06: exemption process. So, council may recall

00:15:33 Speaker 11: we've taken the occasional report to

00:15:35 Speaker 11: say, "Hey, listen, can we allow

00:15:40 Speaker 11: for the bounty to be paid

00:15:44 Speaker 11: to the trapper that lives in

00:15:46 Speaker 11: Bruce County or Simcoe County?" when

00:15:49 Speaker 11: they trapped in Gray County and

00:15:50 Speaker 11: and in the past you know

00:15:56 Speaker 11: council was supportive so that's sort

00:15:58 Speaker 11: of the the rationale behind that

00:16:01 Speaker 11: one if you will. Okay, thank

00:16:05 Speaker 11: you, and we'll move on to

00:16:07 Speaker 11: the Deputy Warden. Thank you, Mad

00:16:10 Speaker 11: Warden. Good morning, all. In regards

00:16:11 Speaker 11: to whether you need a livestock

00:16:15 Speaker 11: kill, our experience here has been

00:16:17 Speaker 11: over the years. There are lots

00:16:19 Speaker 11: of coyotes around this area, in

00:16:21 Speaker 11: particular around our farm. I hear

00:16:23 Speaker 11: them quite often at night. We've

00:16:28 Speaker 11: lost minimal livestock, and generally, I

00:16:30 Speaker 11: would suggest that if you've got

00:16:32 Speaker 11: coyotes in your neighborhood and they're

00:16:35 Speaker 11: not bothering your livestock, those are

00:16:37 Speaker 11: the coyotes that maybe you want

00:16:38 Speaker 11: to keep around, and if. you

00:16:42 Speaker 11: have hunters coming in without a

00:16:46 Speaker 11: livestock kill and taking some of

00:16:55 Speaker 11: those coyotes out, now you'll have

00:16:56 Speaker 11: new coyotes moving into the area

00:16:58 Speaker 11: to take up that territory, and

00:16:59 Speaker 11: they may or may not have

00:17:01 Speaker 11: a taste for livestock. So, in

00:17:03 Speaker 11: my opinion, I think I'd rather

00:17:04 Speaker 11: have the coyotes around that clean

00:17:08 Speaker 11: up the groundhogs and whatever else

00:17:12 Speaker 11: vermin that you might have running

00:17:13 Speaker 11: around and leave my sheep. alone,

00:17:17 Speaker 05: rather than have somebody come in

00:17:20 Speaker 05: and indiscriminately kill those—I'll call them

00:17:21 Speaker 05: good coyotes. So I, I

00:17:24 Speaker 05: can see the rationale both ways,

00:17:26 Speaker 05: but I just as soon as

00:17:27 Speaker 05: I say have the good coyotes

00:17:31 Speaker 05: around and leave them alone, because

00:17:33 Speaker 05: the bad ones aren't going to

00:17:38 Speaker 05: come into the territory if the

00:17:40 Speaker 05: good ones are still there. So.

00:17:43 Speaker 05: there's my opinion. Thank you. Okay.

00:17:46 Speaker 05: Thank you very much. Is there

00:17:50 Speaker 12: anyone else? Not seeing any further

00:17:51 Speaker 12: virtual hands go up. Okay. Well,

00:17:54 Speaker 12: then, thank you very much for

00:18:00 Speaker 12: that additional information, Director Taylor. That

00:18:02 Speaker 12: allows us to go back to

00:18:04 Speaker 12: our motion that's been moved and

00:18:08 Speaker 12: seconded to receive the minutes and

00:18:11 Speaker 05: adopt them as presented. So, with

00:18:14 Speaker 05: oh yes, Madam Clerk. Go ahead.

00:18:15 Speaker 05: Thank you, Madam Warden. Just for

00:18:17 Speaker 05: staff's clarification, because we do like

00:18:20 Speaker 05: to, when there's ever not clear

00:18:22 Speaker 05: agreement, like to operate under direction

00:18:26 Speaker 05: of council. So, if there is

00:18:28 Speaker 05: appetite to put forward a motion

00:18:30 Speaker 05: to clarify livestock kill or no

00:18:31 Speaker 05: livestock kill, I do have something

00:18:35 Speaker 05: prepared in that regard. If council

00:18:37 Speaker 05: wishes to consider. that, okay. So,

00:18:38 Speaker 05: Madam Clerk, without that motion, then

00:18:44 Speaker 05: what? What predicament does that leave

00:18:46 Speaker 05: staff in? I'll up to Director

00:18:47 Speaker 05: Taylor to confirm, but I believe

00:18:50 Speaker 05: it would be the bylaw coming

00:18:52 Speaker 05: forward that, and it would be

00:18:55 Speaker 05: prepared with a livestock kill incorporated

00:18:56 Speaker 05: and being required. Okay, so if

00:19:01 Speaker 05: there's somebody who wishes to move

00:19:02 Speaker 05: the motion in order to entertain

00:19:04 Speaker 05: the idea of no. livestock kill,

00:19:05 Speaker 05: a proof, no proof of livestock

00:19:08 Speaker 05: kill, then they can put forth

00:19:09 Speaker 05: that motion. Councillor McLean, just on

00:19:13 Speaker 05: clarity, just for clarity, then the

00:19:15 Speaker 05: motion that be put on the

00:19:16 Speaker 05: livestock kill is not required. Right,

00:19:25 Speaker 13: that would be what you could

00:19:27 Speaker 13: move. I'll move that. Okay, thank

00:19:30 Speaker 14: you. So that's moved by Councillor

00:19:32 Speaker 14: McLean. Is there a seconder? And

00:19:35 Speaker 14: I won't. be able to see.

00:19:38 Speaker 14: Yes, thank you. I see the

00:19:40 Speaker 14: virtual the the virtual hand going

00:19:42 Speaker 14: up from Councillor Mackie to second.

00:19:44 Speaker 14: So that's now been moved by

00:19:49 Speaker 14: Councillor McQueen, seconded by Councillor Mackie.

00:19:51 Speaker 14: And is there discussion? There, we'll

00:19:55 Speaker 14: go to the top of the

00:19:57 Speaker 14: list, which is Councillor Greg. Just

00:19:59 Speaker 14: hold on. There, thanks for your

00:20:03 Speaker 14: patience. I get my touch screen

00:20:05 Speaker 14: working. I think I'll support the

00:20:10 Speaker 14: motion. I think I think of

00:20:11 Speaker 14: a raccoon is a very tough

00:20:14 Speaker 14: animal, and I'm not so sure

00:20:18 Speaker 14: a coyote one on one will

00:20:21 Speaker 14: even be able to kill a

00:20:23 Speaker 14: raccoon. But coyotes do kill in

00:20:27 Speaker 14: packs. That's a function of of

00:20:31 Speaker 14: some of the coyote kills, and

00:20:34 Speaker 05: I'm not certain how you could

00:20:35 Speaker 05: distinguish when you're working within. and

00:20:36 Speaker 05: you do see it, you see

00:20:38 Speaker 05: their tracks, somewhat, particularly in the

00:20:39 Speaker 05: winter. I don't know how you

00:20:41 Speaker 05: can differentiate between what was the

00:20:41 Speaker 05: killer and what one dragged the

00:20:45 Speaker 05: carcass away. Even not sure you

00:20:46 Speaker 05: can make that that assertion when

00:20:48 Speaker 05: it would populate. So, for that

00:20:49 Speaker 05: reason, I'll support the the motion

00:20:52 Speaker 05: on the floor. Any other discussion

00:20:53 Speaker 05: on this amendment? And oh, sorry,

00:20:54 Speaker 05: Madam Clerk, I should clarify. We're

00:20:58 Speaker 05: voting on the minutes, so we

00:21:00 Speaker 11: are. This is, in fact, an

00:21:03 Speaker 11: amendment to the the main motion

00:21:05 Speaker 11: that we would then go back

00:21:07 Speaker 11: and vote for the whole the

00:21:09 Speaker 11: whole of the minutes. Or are

00:21:12 Speaker 11: you treating this separately? Yes, it

00:21:13 Speaker 11: would be an an amending motion,

00:21:16 Speaker 11: so you'd go back and vote

00:21:17 Speaker 11: on the the main as amended

00:21:20 Speaker 11: if it goes through. Okay. All

00:21:22 Speaker 11: right. So I've got some other

00:21:25 Speaker 11: hands up. I'll go to the

00:21:27 Speaker 11: Deputy Warden next. Thank you, Madam

00:21:29 Speaker 11: Warden. And I'm not in support

00:21:31 Speaker 11: of the amendment. Reason being is

00:21:33 Speaker 11: that Councilor Drake, of course, is

00:21:34 Speaker 11: correct. That coyotes kill in packs,

00:21:36 Speaker 11: are hunting packs. But once they

00:21:38 Speaker 11: get a taste for livestock, they'll

00:21:39 Speaker 11: be back every time. They'll come

00:21:42 Speaker 11: back for more. And I think

00:21:46 Speaker 11: I think if you've got hunters

00:21:51 Speaker 11: there that are looking for the

00:21:54 Speaker 07: one that did do the killing,

00:21:57 Speaker 07: it'll be fairly apparent, fairly. quickly

00:21:59 Speaker 07: which animals are back in the

00:22:02 Speaker 07: paddock or around the farm around

00:22:05 Speaker 07: the barns. They'll always be back.

00:22:08 Speaker 07: It won't be just some random

00:22:10 Speaker 07: kill and then the coyote disappears

00:22:13 Speaker 07: for months at a time. That's

00:22:16 Speaker 07: that's not going to happen. So

00:22:17 Speaker 07: I mean I'm not going to

00:22:20 Speaker 07: support the motion. Thank you. Great.

00:22:23 Speaker 07: Thank you. We'll go to Councillor

00:22:26 Speaker 07: Dobrin. Thank you. And through you,

00:22:29 Speaker 01: I point of clarification. We're not

00:22:31 Speaker 01: we're not voting on whether or

00:22:33 Speaker 01: not we're requiring proof that it

00:22:34 Speaker 01: was the coyote that that provided

00:22:36 Speaker 01: the kill or the carryaway. We're

00:22:37 Speaker 01: we're proof that there is evidence

00:22:39 Speaker 01: that there was a kill, regardless

00:22:42 Speaker 15: of which coyote it did. But

00:22:44 Speaker 15: point of procedure is this: bylaw

00:22:47 Speaker 15: still has to come back. Why

00:22:48 Speaker 15: are we amending the minutes? We've

00:22:49 Speaker 15: we've provided clarification. and wouldn't we

00:22:51 Speaker 15: be able to have this discussion

00:22:53 Speaker 15: at the time the bylaw comes

00:22:55 Speaker 15: forward? Okay, so the request has

00:22:58 Speaker 15: been from staff to have clarification

00:23:00 Speaker 15: now in order to be able

00:23:04 Speaker 15: to prepare the bylaw. So I'll

00:23:06 Speaker 15: just look to I'll look to

00:23:08 Speaker 15: Madam Clerk who's raised her hand

00:23:13 Speaker 15: for for that process question. Thank

00:23:14 Speaker 15: you. Yes, following the last meeting,

00:23:17 Speaker 15: staff were just didn't want to

00:23:19 Speaker 15: prepare the bylaw in a different

00:23:22 Speaker 16: way and for it to come

00:23:24 Speaker 16: forward in a different. way than

00:23:28 Speaker 16: council has anticipated, given some kind

00:23:30 Speaker 16: of outstanding questions that were raised

00:23:32 Speaker 16: after the meeting. So you're correct

00:23:35 Speaker 16: that the the conversation could absolutely

00:23:38 Speaker 16: happen when the bylaw comes forward.

00:23:40 Speaker 16: But staff just wish to put

00:23:42 Speaker 16: something in for in front of

00:23:43 Speaker 16: council that met your intentions following

00:23:47 Speaker 06: the last meeting. Okay, and with

00:23:47 Speaker 06: that, we'll move on to Councillor

00:23:50 Speaker 06: Carleton. Thank you, Warden. Thank you,

00:23:52 Speaker 06: Ward and Matressos. I guess just

00:23:55 Speaker 06: a question. I can support there

00:23:56 Speaker 06: not being a need for a

00:23:58 Speaker 06: kill. If there's concern about not

00:24:00 Speaker 06: wanting coyotes to be killed

00:24:04 Speaker 06: on a landowner's property, do they

00:24:06 Speaker 06: not have to first give permission

00:24:07 Speaker 06: for a hunter to be there?

00:24:10 Speaker 06: I guess if that can be

00:24:12 Speaker 06: somehow incorporated in the bylaws, my

00:24:14 Speaker 06: question. Thank you. Okay, so let

00:24:15 Speaker 06: me put that question to Director

00:24:18 Speaker 06: Taylor. Yeah, through you, Madam Warden.

00:24:19 Speaker 06: Thank you for your question, Councillor

00:24:20 Speaker 06: Carlton. So, under the current bylaw,

00:24:23 Speaker 06: it would require a sign-off from

00:24:24 Speaker 06: the landowner, in this case, a

00:24:28 Speaker 06: farmer, saying that they'd have had

00:24:30 Speaker 06: a livestock attack, and then B

00:24:32 Speaker 06: sign-off from a municipal livestock evaluator

00:24:35 Speaker 06: confirming that that there was indeed

00:24:38 Speaker 06: a livestock attack. And as some

00:24:41 Speaker 06: others have mentioned today, sometimes it's

00:24:42 Speaker 06: that second bar that's tough to

00:24:43 Speaker 06: meet. If if the farmer knows

00:24:48 Speaker 06: there was an attack, but there

00:24:49 Speaker 06: was there was no remains of

00:24:53 Speaker 06: the the you know the sheep

00:24:56 Speaker 06: or the cow or whatever that

00:24:58 Speaker 08: that was left over kind of

00:24:59 Speaker 08: thing. Under the new bylaw, if

00:25:01 Speaker 08: council were to give direction that

00:25:02 Speaker 08: there doesn't need to be a

00:25:05 Speaker 08: livestock attack, then that would take

00:25:08 Speaker 08: out the municipal livestock evaluator piece,

00:25:10 Speaker 08: but it would still require the

00:25:12 Speaker 08: landowner to give permission for that

00:25:15 Speaker 08: licensed trapper to be to be

00:25:17 Speaker 08: using their lands in that regard.

00:25:20 Speaker 08: if I'm if I'm understanding things.

00:25:21 Speaker 08: Okay, thank you. And with that,

00:25:22 Speaker 08: we'll go to Councillor McQueen. Thank

00:25:24 Speaker 08: you, Madam Warden. A couple things.

00:25:26 Speaker 08: The determination of when that kill

00:25:28 Speaker 08: was, I think the old bylaw

00:25:30 Speaker 08: said within two weeks of a

00:25:38 Speaker 08: kill. So if you had a

00:25:39 Speaker 08: kill on July second, okay, just

00:25:41 Speaker 08: for just for sakes, if you

00:25:44 Speaker 08: found the kill, if it wasn't

00:25:48 Speaker 08: removed, and you couldn't find the

00:25:50 Speaker 08: kill. calves missing. But if you

00:25:52 Speaker 08: did, a lot of probably portion

00:25:56 Speaker 08: of the trap hunters maybe are

00:25:57 Speaker 08: other farmers. Well, I'll tell you,

00:25:59 Speaker 08: right in the middle of July,

00:26:02 Speaker 08: you think they're going to drop

00:26:03 Speaker 08: their equipment to go stop hanging

00:26:07 Speaker 08: and go hunt coyotes? I bet

00:26:09 Speaker 08: you the answer would be no.

00:26:12 Speaker 08: A lot of times, those interested

00:26:14 Speaker 08: hunters, and you know, they they

00:26:16 Speaker 08: do it from the love of

00:26:18 Speaker 08: of doing it, not from from

00:26:21 Speaker 08: the the remuneration that they receive.

00:26:25 Speaker 08: You can can imagine that part.

00:26:26 Speaker 08: They do have more time, like

00:26:28 Speaker 08: I said, in the winter months

00:26:30 Speaker 08: when they have that time. But

00:26:32 Speaker 08: I think something should be noted

00:26:35 Speaker 08: that there's a certain time when

00:26:36 Speaker 08: coyotes have small coyotes, and I

00:26:38 Speaker 08: think there's a there's that also

00:26:42 Speaker 08: that part of of maybe removing

00:26:43 Speaker 08: that individual coyote or coyotes. before

00:26:45 Speaker 08: they have young, which then over

00:26:46 Speaker 08: then continues to populate more coyotes,

00:26:48 Speaker 08: which I think does happen in

00:26:51 Speaker 08: the winter months. So you know,

00:26:56 Speaker 08: I don't understand why we have

00:26:57 Speaker 08: so many barriers because because you

00:26:58 Speaker 08: got to remember there has to

00:27:00 Speaker 08: be the availability and the time

00:27:01 Speaker 08: for those to go out and

00:27:03 Speaker 08: and hunt those coyotes and and

00:27:05 Speaker 08: that sort of thing. So and

00:27:07 Speaker 08: and again, last question is a

00:27:09 Speaker 08: verification of a kill. Well, is

00:27:11 Speaker 08: that? Of a kill, whether is

00:27:11 Speaker 08: that within a year of a

00:27:13 Speaker 08: landowner? Like again, that can happen

00:27:14 Speaker 08: in the spring, can happen in

00:27:18 Speaker 08: the summer, the winter, or the

00:27:19 Speaker 08: fall. They can come into lots

00:27:22 Speaker 08: of stories where they'll come right

00:27:24 Speaker 08: into the barn and remove livestock.

00:27:27 Speaker 06: So there's a lot of stuff

00:27:29 Speaker 06: here, and I don't know why

00:27:31 Speaker 06: we're making it so complicated in

00:27:33 Speaker 06: the sense because it boils down

00:27:36 Speaker 06: to the landowner has to give

00:27:39 Speaker 06: permission to start with, and I

00:27:43 Speaker 06: certainly would think that if they

00:27:45 Speaker 06: don't. have an issue, maybe they

00:27:46 Speaker 06: don't want that happening. But if

00:27:48 Speaker 06: they do, they want to have

00:27:51 Speaker 06: that tool in the toolbox. So

00:27:53 Speaker 06: I think we need to move

00:27:57 Speaker 06: forward with this motion. Thank you,

00:28:00 Speaker 06: Madam Chair, Madam Morden. Thank you.

00:28:01 Speaker 06: I'm going to go to Director

00:28:02 Speaker 06: Taylor first. Thank you, Madam Morden.

00:28:05 Speaker 06: Thank you for your your comments

00:28:09 Speaker 06: and question, Councilor McQueen. I think

00:28:11 Speaker 06: there might be some confusion overall

00:28:13 Speaker 06: in in the community on this

00:28:14 Speaker 06: because there are two sort of

00:28:16 Speaker 06: complementary. programs that that farmers would

00:28:18 Speaker 06: access in this regard. One is

00:28:19 Speaker 06: with respect to getting compensated for

00:28:22 Speaker 06: the the livestock that was lost,

00:28:23 Speaker 06: and and so the county has

00:28:25 Speaker 06: nothing to do with that. So

00:28:26 Speaker 06: I'm not aware sort of what

00:28:29 Speaker 06: the rules are in terms of

00:28:32 Speaker 06: the timelines for calling a municipal

00:28:33 Speaker 06: livestock evaluator and and and claiming

00:28:36 Speaker 06: compensation under that program. And then

00:28:38 Speaker 06: there's the program we're talking about

00:28:40 Speaker 06: today, which is with respect. to

00:28:42 Speaker 06: trapping the coyote and getting compensation

00:28:43 Speaker 06: there, and so I'm not aware

00:28:46 Speaker 06: of the county's bylaw requiring anything

00:28:47 Speaker 06: to say that you know it

00:28:49 Speaker 06: has to be within two weeks.

00:28:50 Speaker 06: You know, if a farmer

00:28:53 Speaker 06: got busy and and and and

00:28:55 Speaker 06: couldn't sign the forms or what

00:28:58 Speaker 06: have you in that regard, certainly

00:29:00 Speaker 06: if it is, you know, we

00:29:03 Speaker 06: can we can look at you

00:29:08 Speaker 07: know through the direction of council,

00:29:14 Speaker 07: of course, relaxing that. The current

00:29:17 Speaker 07: bylaw simply says that that you

00:29:24 Speaker 07: need. to present the ears as

00:29:27 Speaker 07: proof that the coyote was indeed

00:29:30 Speaker 07: trapped, and that the form needs

00:29:33 Speaker 07: to be signed by the municipal

00:29:36 Speaker 07: livestock evaluator. So that's something that

00:29:39 Speaker 07: that staff could could research further

00:29:42 Speaker 07: and and look to eliminate some

00:29:43 Speaker 07: of those barriers in the final

00:29:45 Speaker 07: version of the bylaw that's brought

00:29:48 Speaker 07: before council for consideration. But it's

00:29:50 Speaker 07: more just you know, are we

00:29:52 Speaker 07: still requiring that that livestock evaluator

00:29:54 Speaker 07: signature and and and the proof

00:29:57 Speaker 07: of an attack in that regard?

00:30:01 Speaker 07: Okay, thank you. We'll go to

00:30:03 Speaker 07: Councillor Del Green. Thank you. We'll

00:30:07 Speaker 07: go to Councillor Dobrin. Thank you,

00:30:09 Speaker 07: and just really to clarify the

00:30:12 Speaker 07: language. My understanding is is that

00:30:14 Speaker 07: hunters hunt coyotes; they must have

00:30:16 Speaker 07: all of their credentials in order,

00:30:18 Speaker 07: and trappers trap beavers. I will

00:30:21 Speaker 07: be corrected by my farming community.

00:30:24 Speaker 07: whether or not people actually trap

00:30:28 Speaker 07: coyotes, it is a process of

00:30:31 Speaker 07: hunting the coyotes. So I think

00:30:32 Speaker 07: to your point, Mr. Taylor,

00:30:36 Speaker 07: you you are I think the

00:30:39 Speaker 07: the clarification is is that in

00:30:47 Speaker 07: order to be compensated for the

00:30:49 Speaker 07: loss of livestock, you have to

00:30:53 Speaker 07: prove that and have a livestock

00:30:58 Speaker 17: evaluator say, yeah, there's evidence that

00:31:01 Speaker 17: the the the lamb was taken.

00:31:05 Speaker 18: You know, we all have cameras

00:31:07 Speaker 18: now, so there's. your proof, but

00:31:09 Speaker 18: but there is no time frame.

00:31:11 Speaker 18: I don't believe that a hunter

00:31:15 Speaker 18: can find a coyote. Whether it's

00:31:18 Speaker 18: the coyote that carried off your

00:31:20 Speaker 18: livestock remains to be seen. But

00:31:22 Speaker 18: I don't think that's what this

00:31:27 Speaker 18: bylaw does. So I just I

00:31:28 Speaker 18: just want to the language. Please,

00:31:32 Speaker 18: someone in the farming community, correct

00:31:37 Speaker 18: me. I I don't believe that

00:31:40 Speaker 18: hunters. trap coyotes, and they do

00:31:42 Speaker 18: have to have permission to enter

00:31:46 Speaker 18: upon the lands. And they're not

00:31:50 Speaker 18: necessarily hunting Councillor McQueen's farm for

00:31:53 Speaker 18: the coyote. It it is a

00:31:55 Speaker 18: process. Okay. So with that, I'll

00:32:00 Speaker 18: look for any response or any

00:32:05 Speaker 18: additional comments. Okay, we'll go to

00:32:07 Speaker 18: Councillor. Eccles. Thank you, Madam Warden,

00:32:13 Speaker 18: and through you back to Councillor

00:32:15 Speaker 18: Debrine. There are—it's not as prevalent

00:32:24 Speaker 18: today as what it used to

00:32:26 Speaker 18: be, but there are still a

00:32:29 Speaker 18: couple of trappers out there that

00:32:32 Speaker 18: will trap coyotes, and that may

00:32:38 Speaker 18: be the ultimate way of—you know—setting

00:32:39 Speaker 18: a trap where the kill, or

00:32:41 Speaker 18: in and around where the the

00:32:44 Speaker 18: livestock was decimated, because you can

00:32:49 Speaker 18: set that trap, and then it's

00:32:50 Speaker 18: coyote. To councillor Millen's point, does

00:32:53 Speaker 18: come back. My fear, my fear,

00:32:56 Speaker 18: so on the idea of you

00:32:59 Speaker 18: know we need to kill, you

00:33:00 Speaker 18: know, and how are we going

00:33:04 Speaker 18: to show proof if this goes.

00:33:07 Speaker 18: through that. Yeah, you've got to

00:33:11 Speaker 18: have a kill. What is the

00:33:12 Speaker 06: area? Because my family have been

00:33:15 Speaker 06: hunters, and I can say that

00:33:17 Speaker 06: some coyotes in hunting, from where

00:33:19 Speaker 06: you start with the coyote, you

00:33:21 Speaker 06: could end up twenty-five kilometers away,

00:33:23 Speaker 06: and I—it's always the idea of

00:33:24 Speaker 06: you know getting the coyote to

00:33:27 Speaker 06: sign off and say, "Yes, I

00:33:28 Speaker 06: killed the sheep over there." And

00:33:29 Speaker 06: the ability to monitor that—I think

00:33:36 Speaker 06: there's got to be a bit

00:33:40 Speaker 05: of trust here. If it gets

00:33:41 Speaker 05: way out of hand with the

00:33:43 Speaker 05: amount that we're paying. it's going

00:33:45 Speaker 05: to be more of a nightmare

00:33:47 Speaker 05: for staff than writing up this

00:33:49 Speaker 05: bylaw of trying to enforce it.

00:33:50 Speaker 05: I'm going to support it, keep

00:33:52 Speaker 05: it the way it is, or

00:33:54 Speaker 05: draft it up, and let's move

00:33:55 Speaker 05: on from this and monitor it

00:33:57 Speaker 05: in a year's time. Okay, thank

00:33:58 Speaker 05: you. I'm going to go to

00:34:01 Speaker 05: Director Taylor. Thank you, Madam Morton.

00:34:03 Speaker 05: Just. Thank you, Madam Morden. Just

00:34:04 Speaker 05: to to counsel to Brin's point,

00:34:05 Speaker 05: the the bylaw does still require

00:34:07 Speaker 05: a license. I was just confirming

00:34:09 Speaker 05: that while everyone else is speaking,

00:34:11 Speaker 05: the bylaw does still require a

00:34:13 Speaker 05: licensed trapper for the coyote piece

00:34:14 Speaker 05: too. It's not just the beavers,

00:34:16 Speaker 05: so we do need to see

00:34:26 Speaker 04: that trapper's license. Okay. Any other

00:34:28 Speaker 04: discussion? Okay. So I'm not seeing

00:34:30 Speaker 04: any further hands up for discussion

00:34:34 Speaker 04: on this amendment to the motion.

00:34:37 Speaker 04: I am going to ask that

00:34:40 Speaker 04: if you are voting in this,

00:34:41 Speaker 04: please turn your cameras back on.

00:34:42 Speaker 04: We have a couple of council

00:34:44 Speaker 04: members that I think there's just

00:34:46 Speaker 04: maybe just want to make sure

00:34:49 Speaker 04: that everybody who is present is

00:34:51 Speaker 04: voting because I'm going to call

00:34:56 Speaker 05: the question and ask you to

00:35:00 Speaker 05: use your in your real hand

00:35:02 Speaker 05: in your screen for our votes

00:35:05 Speaker 18: today. And if I don't see

00:35:07 Speaker 18: your camera, then I won't be

00:35:09 Speaker 18: able to count the vote. So,

00:35:10 Speaker 18: with that, I'm going to call

00:35:16 Speaker 18: the question. Then, all those in

00:35:19 Speaker 18: favor of the amendment, please raise

00:35:21 Speaker 18: your hand. and keep it keep

00:35:22 Speaker 18: it up until I've counted. Thank

00:35:25 Speaker 05: you. Okay, Madam Clerk, I I

00:35:26 Speaker 05: see I see that that was

00:35:27 Speaker 05: voted for in favor. Is that

00:35:30 Speaker 05: what you counted as well? I

00:35:32 Speaker 05: I'm sorry, I was not counting

00:35:34 Speaker 05: the votes at that moment, but

00:35:35 Speaker 05: I could I could if you

00:35:38 Speaker 05: wish to call it again. I

00:35:39 Speaker 05: can verify alongside. Oh, I see

00:35:40 Speaker 05: the deputy clerk has raised her

00:35:42 Speaker 05: hand. Deputy clerk, good morning. I

00:35:44 Speaker 05: was counting there, and I was

00:35:47 Speaker 05: curious. Thank you. Thank you. Question:

00:35:49 Speaker 05: Councillor Eccles on this amendment? Yes,

00:35:54 Speaker 05: on the amendment. Can you read

00:35:57 Speaker 05: what the amendment is? Like I've

00:35:59 Speaker 05: got confused here. We were passing

00:36:03 Speaker 05: the minutes, and now we've pulled

00:36:06 Speaker 05: a motion. I don't know whether

00:36:10 Speaker 05: this. was for reconsideration or whatever,

00:36:13 Speaker 05: but what is the amendment? Okay,

00:36:14 Speaker 05: so the amendment is there on

00:36:18 Speaker 05: the screen. I'll read it out

00:36:21 Speaker 05: in just a moment. It was

00:36:22 Speaker 05: not reconsideration because we have not

00:36:23 Speaker 05: yet voted on the minutes. So

00:36:25 Speaker 05: this was the the last opportunity

00:36:27 Speaker 05: to tweak what will become part

00:36:28 Speaker 05: of the main motion to vote

00:36:31 Speaker 05: on the minutes. So the motion

00:36:33 Speaker 05: that was just voted on and

00:36:36 Speaker 05: carried is the amendment to the

00:36:37 Speaker 05: main motion that was. just voted

00:36:39 Speaker 05: on and carried is that the

00:36:40 Speaker 05: motion be amended to clarify that

00:36:42 Speaker 05: the bylaw be prepared to not

00:36:43 Speaker 05: require a livestock kill in relation

00:36:45 Speaker 05: to PDRCW 2026 and the resolution

00:36:46 Speaker 05: from the June 11th, 2026 committee.

00:36:48 Speaker 05: The whole to direct staff to

00:36:49 Speaker 05: prepare an updated nuisance beaver bylaw,

00:36:51 Speaker 05: nuisance beaver compensation bylaw, as well

00:36:52 Speaker 05: as an updated coyote wolf predator

00:36:54 Speaker 05: Coyote wolf predation bylaw. No livestock

00:36:55 Speaker 05: kill required. Point of order. Can

00:36:56 Speaker 05: I ask you to take the

00:36:58 Speaker 05: vote again, just for clarification? Okay.

00:37:02 Speaker 05: Yes. So, Madam Clerk, I just

00:37:04 Speaker 05: want to make sure that we're

00:37:07 Speaker 05: going to follow through on process

00:37:08 Speaker 05: for the whole morning as we

00:37:10 Speaker 05: vote. Usually, we're we're familiar with

00:37:11 Speaker 05: being able to see the motion

00:37:13 Speaker 05: in front of us. Now, I

00:37:15 Speaker 05: do know that you that we

00:37:17 Speaker 05: do have it. We do have.

00:37:18 Speaker 05: eSCRIBE as well available, but for

00:37:19 Speaker 05: members of the public who are

00:37:27 Speaker 05: following along, I think we need

00:37:30 Speaker 05: to give a moment to show

00:37:31 Speaker 05: show it on the screen prior

00:37:34 Speaker 05: to me calling the vote. Then

00:37:35 Speaker 05: I'll call. Then I'll need it

00:37:39 Speaker 05: removed from the screen so I

00:37:41 Speaker 05: can look for the votes, and

00:37:44 Speaker 05: and then we'll go from there.

00:37:46 Speaker 05: So thank you for sharing it

00:37:47 Speaker 05: earlier, but but I think Councillor

00:37:49 Speaker 05: Eccles has a good point. We

00:37:51 Speaker 05: should see it in front of

00:37:52 Speaker 05: us just before we call the

00:37:53 Speaker 05: vote. So with that, may I

00:37:54 Speaker 05: ask, please, Madam Clerk, you've you've

00:37:56 Speaker 05: done it. You've just you've just

00:37:57 Speaker 05: put it in front of us.

00:38:01 Speaker 05: I have read it out. So

00:38:05 Speaker 14: with that, I would like to

00:38:08 Speaker 14: call the vote for clarification. Please

00:38:10 Speaker 14: raise your hands if you're in

00:38:13 Speaker 14: in favor of the amendment to

00:38:17 Speaker 14: the main motion. Please raise your

00:38:18 Speaker 14: hand if you're in favor of

00:38:21 Speaker 14: the amendment to the main motion.

00:38:24 Speaker 14: And I see that carried. Thank

00:38:26 Speaker 14: you. Okay. Thank you very much.

00:38:28 Speaker 14: I think we've we've figured ourselves.

00:38:30 Speaker 14: out this morning. We are now

00:38:32 Speaker 14: back on the now the amended

00:38:34 Speaker 14: main motion to adopt as presented

00:38:36 Speaker 14: the minutes. There has been that

00:38:38 Speaker 14: one clarification piece. So, Madam Clerk,

00:38:40 Speaker 05: oh, sorry, Councillor, Madam Clerk, I'm

00:38:42 Speaker 05: going to ask you to put

00:38:44 Speaker 05: put the main motion as it's

00:38:45 Speaker 05: been amended back up onto the

00:38:48 Speaker 05: screen in just a moment, just

00:38:51 Speaker 05: before I call the vote. But

00:38:53 Speaker 05: I'll make sure that we don't

00:38:55 Speaker 05: have further discussion on the minutes

00:38:55 Speaker 05: before we go to that vote.

00:38:57 Speaker 05: Going to Councillor Greg. There was

00:38:58 Speaker 05: discussion regarding the residency requirement as

00:39:00 Speaker 05: well, and I would like to

00:39:02 Speaker 05: move an amendment that the hunters

00:39:06 Speaker 05: be residents of Gray County, similar

00:39:07 Speaker 05: to the trappers right now for

00:39:13 Speaker 05: beaver. Where if they're non-residents, they

00:39:14 Speaker 05: can make an application to county

00:39:16 Speaker 05: staff, and subsequently council could be

00:39:20 Speaker 05: notified to approve that. But I

00:39:26 Speaker 05: would like to offer because there

00:39:33 Speaker 05: was some gray. area in terms

00:39:34 Speaker 05: of the residency that was commented

00:39:36 Speaker 05: on. I'll just make a formal

00:39:38 Speaker 05: motion to support staff being clear

00:39:41 Speaker 05: on on the preparation of the

00:39:47 Speaker 05: bylaw. Okay, and Councillor Gray, just

00:39:49 Speaker 05: to be clear, you're you're moving

00:39:51 Speaker 05: the motion that they be a

00:39:53 Speaker 05: resident of Gray County or Gray

00:39:55 Speaker 05: and Bruce County. It was Gray

00:39:56 Speaker 05: County. Okay, thank you. All right.

00:39:57 Speaker 05: So, Madam Clerk, get ready to

00:40:00 Speaker 05: put that on. I'll look to

00:40:02 Speaker 05: see if we have a seconder.

00:40:05 Speaker 05: Do we have a seconder for

00:40:07 Speaker 05: that amendment to the main motion.

00:40:08 Speaker 05: It's been seconded by the deputy

00:40:09 Speaker 05: warden. So now, if you could

00:40:14 Speaker 05: please, Madam Clerk, put that on

00:40:16 Speaker 08: the screen, and then I'll read

00:40:17 Speaker 08: it out. And then I'll go.

00:40:20 Speaker 08: I told you that was Councillor

00:40:22 Speaker 08: Milne was the seconder for that.

00:40:24 Speaker 08: Yes. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Just going

00:40:27 Speaker 08: to remove yellow highlighting. Apologies. Okay.

00:40:29 Speaker 08: Okay. So. there is. Okay, if

00:40:31 Speaker 08: you could just scroll down a

00:40:32 Speaker 08: little for me there. Yeah, thank

00:40:34 Speaker 08: you. Okay, so it's been moved

00:40:37 Speaker 08: by. Sorry, it's just moving around

00:40:39 Speaker 08: here. Okay, that it. That's the

00:40:41 Speaker 08: primary amendment. It's the one that's

00:40:44 Speaker 08: just been moved. Okay, down there.

00:40:45 Speaker 08: That's now been highlighted. Okay, so

00:40:47 Speaker 08: it has been moved by Councillor

00:40:49 Speaker 08: Gray. Has been moved by Councillor

00:40:51 Speaker 08: Gregg, seconded by the Deputy Warden,

00:40:56 Speaker 08: that the motion be amended to

00:40:57 Speaker 08: include requirement in the draft bylaw

00:40:59 Speaker 08: to include requirement in the draft

00:41:04 Speaker 08: bylaw to require residency in Grey

00:41:05 Speaker 08: County. That is what we are

00:41:07 Speaker 08: now discussing. I'm going to go

00:41:09 Speaker 08: to the top of the virtual

00:41:10 Speaker 08: hands, which is Councillor McLean. Thank

00:41:12 Speaker 08: you, Madam Warden. I don't know.

00:41:13 Speaker 08: I lost my screen here. There

00:41:15 Speaker 08: we are. I'll be voting against

00:41:17 Speaker 08: this for the reasons being I

00:41:21 Speaker 08: think the trapper and hunting pool

00:41:22 Speaker 08: is very limited. I know from

00:41:25 Speaker 08: myself where I live. My mailbox

00:41:27 Speaker 08: is is in Simcoe County, so

00:41:30 Speaker 08: I think you're going to find

00:41:35 Speaker 07: that you may have overlapping on

00:41:36 Speaker 07: your boundaries from your neighboring counties.

00:41:38 Speaker 07: And I could enter a, I

00:41:40 Speaker 07: could make an amendment that to

00:41:42 Speaker 07: include our neighboring counties or a

00:41:45 Speaker 07: neighbor county, so that would include

00:41:47 Speaker 07: Bruce County, it could include Simcoe

00:41:49 Speaker 07: County, it could include Dufferin and

00:41:53 Speaker 07: Wellington. So because of those border

00:41:57 Speaker 07: issues, just because our farms go

00:42:01 Speaker 07: right to our Gray County border,

00:42:07 Speaker 07: but they also could, you know,

00:42:12 Speaker 07: cross cross your your your border

00:42:16 Speaker 07: line. So I don't know at

00:42:20 Speaker 07: this point. I make an amendment

00:42:21 Speaker 07: to the amendment, but I at

00:42:25 Speaker 07: this point maybe come back to

00:42:31 Speaker 07: me. At this point, I don't

00:42:34 Speaker 07: support the motion because I think

00:42:36 Speaker 07: you have a limited pool, and

00:42:40 Speaker 07: you're also our border our border

00:42:44 Speaker 07: farms that are do border our

00:42:47 Speaker 07: neighboring counties. Okay, thank you. Next,

00:42:48 Speaker 06: we'll go to Councillor Dobrin. Thank

00:42:50 Speaker 06: you, Warden. And two questions. The

00:42:52 Speaker 06: first is the motion does not

00:42:54 Speaker 06: include the the term hunter, licensed

00:42:56 Speaker 06: hunter. It just says proof of

00:42:58 Speaker 06: residency, but it kind of contradicts

00:43:00 Speaker 06: whether if you're a trapper, you

00:43:01 Speaker 06: have to be. You don't have

00:43:03 Speaker 06: to be part of. I think

00:43:05 Speaker 06: the motion was is that hunter.

00:43:06 Speaker 06: If and correct me if I'm

00:43:08 Speaker 06: wrong, Councillor Greg, is that hunters

00:43:09 Speaker 06: or licensed hunters are to be

00:43:12 Speaker 06: have residency of Gray County? My

00:43:14 Speaker 06: my question is if perhaps Director

00:43:16 Speaker 06: Taylor could clarify: does this mean

00:43:19 Speaker 06: that farmers or hunters cannot claim

00:43:19 Speaker 06: bounty? So if a farmer shoots

00:43:22 Speaker 06: a beaver. can it not? Can

00:43:25 Speaker 06: they not claim the bounty? They're

00:43:28 Speaker 06: not licensed trappers. If a farmer

00:43:29 Speaker 06: shoots a coyote in the act

00:43:31 Speaker 06: of killing their sheep, can they

00:43:33 Speaker 06: not claim the bounty? They're not

00:43:34 Speaker 06: licensed trappers. That is my clarification.

00:43:37 Speaker 06: Okay, we'll go to Director Taylor

00:43:38 Speaker 06: on that. Thank you, Madam Warden.

00:43:40 Speaker 06: Through you, thank you for your

00:43:42 Speaker 06: question, Councilor Debrine. Yeah, my understanding

00:43:43 Speaker 06: is the bylaws, both the Beaver

00:43:46 Speaker 06: and the Coyote bylaws, use the

00:43:48 Speaker 06: term "licensed trapper" in that regard.

00:43:50 Speaker 06: And so, if somebody is is

00:43:52 Speaker 06: looking to claim the bounty, they

00:43:54 Speaker 06: need to be able to demonstrate

00:44:05 Speaker 06: that they have that license. And

00:44:08 Speaker 06: and you know, I wasn't around

00:44:10 Speaker 06: when the bylaws were first put

00:44:12 Speaker 06: in place in the county, but

00:44:14 Speaker 06: my understanding is one of the

00:44:16 Speaker 06: rationale for that was with respect

00:44:18 Speaker 06: to making sure things were done

00:44:20 Speaker 19: in as humane a way as

00:44:22 Speaker 19: possible in that regard, and ensuring

00:44:25 Speaker 19: that we have people that are

00:44:27 Speaker 19: properly trained out there doing that.

00:44:29 Speaker 19: None of this restricts any landowner

00:44:31 Speaker 19: from protecting their own property against

00:44:33 Speaker 19: nuisance animals. And so, if a

00:44:37 Speaker 19: landowner, you know, wanted to, within

00:44:40 Speaker 05: provincial and federal laws, of course,

00:44:41 Speaker 05: protect their own property on nuisance

00:44:43 Speaker 05: animals, they could. But strictly speaking,

00:44:45 Speaker 05: if they want to claim the

00:44:46 Speaker 05: current twenty-five dollars per beaver or

00:44:47 Speaker 05: fifty dollars per coyote bounty, then

00:44:50 Speaker 05: they need to. be able to

00:44:52 Speaker 05: show that they have that that

00:44:53 Speaker 05: that trapping license. Thank you. That

00:44:56 Speaker 05: was my understanding, and I and

00:44:58 Speaker 05: I appreciate the clarification. Thank you,

00:45:00 Speaker 05: Madam Warden. Okay. Thank you. We'll

00:45:03 Speaker 14: go to Councillor Hutchinson. There. Sorry,

00:45:06 Speaker 14: I apologize. And morning, Madam Warden,

00:45:08 Speaker 14: and through you to Councillor Gregg.

00:45:10 Speaker 14: I thought I was pretty sure.

00:45:12 Speaker 14: Greg, I thought I was pretty

00:45:13 Speaker 14: certain that I'd heard that if

00:45:15 Speaker 14: somebody was outside of Gray County,

00:45:16 Speaker 14: there'd be an application process. So

00:45:19 Speaker 14: I just wanted clarification on that

00:45:22 Speaker 14: because I think it's not it's

00:45:24 Speaker 14: not limited specifically to Gray County,

00:45:27 Speaker 14: but with an application process, it

00:45:29 Speaker 14: would open up people from outside

00:45:32 Speaker 14: of Gray County, i.e., our neighbors.

00:45:34 Speaker 14: I just want clarification if that's

00:45:36 Speaker 14: what Councilor Greg was saying. Thank

00:45:40 Speaker 14: you. Okay, I'll look to the

00:45:43 Speaker 05: the mover to. answer, but I'll

00:45:44 Speaker 05: also just get a confirmation from

00:45:46 Speaker 05: Director Taylor as well, and the

00:45:49 Speaker 05: process if it needs to be

00:45:51 Speaker 05: done each and every time or

00:45:53 Speaker 06: if it's just an annual registration.

00:45:58 Speaker 06: I'll look to staff after I

00:46:00 Speaker 06: hear from the mover. So, Councillor

00:46:01 Speaker 06: Gray, go ahead. What I heard

00:46:03 Speaker 06: is staff just wanted to be

00:46:04 Speaker 06: certain of direction, and the motion

00:46:06 Speaker 06: is just to put the hunters

00:46:07 Speaker 06: of coyotes and align it with

00:46:09 Speaker 06: the beaver right now, where an

00:46:10 Speaker 06: application can be made if. they're

00:46:14 Speaker 06: a non-resident of Gray County. So

00:46:16 Speaker 06: we're making this way harder than

00:46:19 Speaker 06: it needs to be. I feel

00:46:21 Speaker 06: we can just vote up or

00:46:24 Speaker 06: down the motion. It's just to

00:46:26 Speaker 06: support staff in bringing back the

00:46:28 Speaker 06: bylaw. Whether there's clarity on, yep,

00:46:30 Speaker 06: it's a resident or it's a

00:46:32 Speaker 06: non-resident. The resident then would be

00:46:34 Speaker 06: the same as as the Beavers,

00:46:35 Speaker 06: where as Director Taylor mentioned earlier

00:46:36 Speaker 06: in the meeting, Council has seen

00:46:38 Speaker 06: these applications come forward from non.

00:46:39 Speaker 06: Come forward from non-residents. We're making

00:46:41 Speaker 06: it too hard. Okay, let me

00:46:43 Speaker 06: go to Director Taylor then, just

00:46:45 Speaker 06: for confirmation before I go to

00:46:48 Speaker 05: the other discussion hands. Yeah, thanks,

00:46:50 Speaker 05: Madam Warden. The current the current

00:46:53 Speaker 05: process would would have somebody submit

00:46:54 Speaker 05: an application, and and council could

00:46:55 Speaker 05: choose to to allow for that

00:46:57 Speaker 05: either on a one-off basis or

00:46:59 Speaker 05: you know for a prolonged period.

00:47:00 Speaker 05: So it could be for a

00:47:02 Speaker 05: year or multiple years in that

00:47:03 Speaker 05: regard, and and. so you know,

00:47:05 Speaker 05: in the past few years, we've

00:47:06 Speaker 05: had a couple. I will just

00:47:07 Speaker 05: remind council that the original reason

00:47:10 Speaker 05: these bylaws got reviewed was because

00:47:12 Speaker 05: we had a trapper come forward

00:47:13 Speaker 05: and say that that you know

00:47:14 Speaker 05: the the bounties weren't sufficient to

00:47:17 Speaker 05: cover their time. That trapper happens

00:47:19 Speaker 05: to live outside of Gray County,

00:47:20 Speaker 05: but you know we we can

00:47:25 Speaker 05: make this simple as as Councillor

00:47:26 Speaker 08: Greg said, depending on council's direction

00:47:29 Speaker 08: and and if somebody does want

00:47:31 Speaker 08: to apply for. Somebody does want

00:47:33 Speaker 08: to apply from outside of Grey.

00:47:34 Speaker 08: We'll we'll do our best to

00:47:35 Speaker 08: make that as as painless a

00:47:37 Speaker 08: process as possible. But also, I'm

00:47:41 Speaker 08: sure council's direction is followed to

00:47:42 Speaker 08: to make sure that that we're

00:47:47 Speaker 08: not you know getting bad actors

00:47:49 Speaker 08: participating in the process, so to

00:47:51 Speaker 08: speak. Okay, thank you. I've got

00:47:52 Speaker 08: two more hands, and Madam Clerk,

00:47:55 Speaker 08: I'm looking for the amendment, and

00:47:58 Speaker 08: I'm not seeing it in a

00:47:59 Speaker 08: scribe. So I'm going to ask

00:48:00 Speaker 08: if you could continue to show

00:48:02 Speaker 08: show it because we're using the

00:48:04 Speaker 08: virtual hands. I can see very

00:48:07 Speaker 08: clearly who's up next to speak.

00:48:11 Speaker 08: and I'll only ask you to

00:48:12 Speaker 08: take the screen away when it

00:48:15 Speaker 08: comes time to vote. When I

00:48:18 Speaker 08: need to be able to visibly

00:48:22 Speaker 08: see everybody raise their hand in

00:48:24 Speaker 08: the air. So, with that, I

00:48:27 Speaker 08: think that will just help in

00:48:29 Speaker 08: terms of the wording and clarification.

00:48:32 Speaker 08: And we'll we'll use that process

00:48:33 Speaker 08: throughout the morning. So, while they're

00:48:34 Speaker 08: bringing that back to the screen,

00:48:36 Speaker 08: I see next Councillor McQueen. Yeah,

00:48:41 Speaker 08: thanks, Madam Mayor. A couple things.

00:48:43 Speaker 08: I think it's making. I think

00:48:44 Speaker 08: it's just making it more. cumbersome

00:48:48 Speaker 08: than just leaving it. If you

00:48:51 Speaker 08: have to be a licensed hunter

00:48:52 Speaker 08: or a licensed trapper, I think

00:48:53 Speaker 08: that's that's that's a threshold. I

00:48:55 Speaker 08: think that you're you're making sole.

00:48:59 Speaker 08: I think in the province of

00:49:01 Speaker 08: Ontario, it's you're not you're not

00:49:06 Speaker 08: restricted other places in in the

00:49:08 Speaker 08: province unless you providing you have

00:49:10 Speaker 05: all the documentation. I think in

00:49:12 Speaker 05: the bylaw, we need a we

00:49:13 Speaker 05: need a a description or what

00:49:15 Speaker 05: is a licensed hunter and what

00:49:19 Speaker 05: is a licensed trapper. I think

00:49:22 Speaker 18: we need that in the definition

00:49:28 Speaker 18: so everybody's clear on that. And

00:49:30 Speaker 18: going back to what Barbara Durine,

00:49:32 Speaker 18: Councilor Durine, was saying, as I

00:49:36 Speaker 18: understand, and as if it's a

00:49:40 Speaker 18: farmer protecting their livestock, providing they

00:49:43 Speaker 18: have a licensed red, a licensed

00:49:47 Speaker 18: firearm, and have a gun license,

00:49:52 Speaker 18: and are have a current M

00:49:53 Speaker 18: and R hunting card, I think

00:49:56 Speaker 18: that is the three the three

00:49:58 Speaker 18: checks. to the to be a

00:50:04 Speaker 18: registered hunter, and they, you know,

00:50:08 Speaker 18: you have to have a ballot

00:50:13 Speaker 18: M and R card that allows

00:50:18 Speaker 18: you to hunt. Whatever point of

00:50:20 Speaker 18: order. I'm sorry, I've heard point

00:50:22 Speaker 18: of order, but I do not

00:50:26 Speaker 18: see who was that spoke. Okay,

00:50:30 Speaker 18: Councillor Greg, your point. My point

00:50:37 Speaker 18: is the conversation right now is

00:50:39 Speaker 18: germane to the motion on the

00:50:43 Speaker 18: to the amendment on the floor,

00:50:44 Speaker 18: and I request just call the

00:50:48 Speaker 05: vote. Okay. I was just following

00:50:50 Speaker 05: up from Councillor McGreen. Okay. I

00:50:53 Speaker 05: did see Councillor Eccles' hand up

00:50:54 Speaker 05: as well, although I don't see

00:50:57 Speaker 05: it now. Yes, Councillor Eccles, I'm

00:50:59 Speaker 05: going to allow since your hand

00:51:02 Speaker 05: was up in waiting to finish

00:51:07 Speaker 05: your comment before we return and

00:51:10 Speaker 05: call the vote. Yes, and it

00:51:12 Speaker 05: is to the motion to require

00:51:14 Speaker 05: trapper residency. I think we've already

00:51:16 Speaker 05: described it or determined that there's

00:51:17 Speaker 05: a difference between somebody having a

00:51:21 Speaker 05: trapper's license and a hunting license.

00:51:22 Speaker 05: Most trappers have both. A lot

00:51:25 Speaker 06: of hunters do not have a

00:51:27 Speaker 06: trapper's license, and I'm slightly confused

00:51:28 Speaker 06: because we're going to be able

00:51:29 Speaker 06: to do that. one or the

00:51:30 Speaker 06: other, but Director Taylor just mentioned

00:51:31 Speaker 06: a few minutes ago that to

00:51:33 Speaker 06: access either Beaver or Coyote payments

00:51:35 Speaker 05: reimbursements, you needed a valid trapper's

00:51:37 Speaker 05: license. That will eliminate. I'm going

00:51:40 Speaker 05: to you know throw a number

00:51:42 Speaker 05: out probably eighty five percent, maybe.

00:51:45 Speaker 05: ninety percent of individuals that are

00:51:46 Speaker 05: hunting coyotes, that trapper part in

00:51:48 Speaker 05: there require trapper residency. That I

00:51:49 Speaker 05: have a problem with that, the

00:51:51 Speaker 05: way that amendment is there, Councillor

00:51:54 Speaker 05: Greg. I don't think that's the

00:51:56 Speaker 05: way you wanted it. Okay, I'll

00:51:58 Speaker 05: look. I will look to clarification

00:52:00 Speaker 05: to the. Verification to the mover.

00:52:02 Speaker 05: I but before I do that,

00:52:05 Speaker 05: I'm just going to look to

00:52:06 Speaker 05: Director Taylor to confirm, as it

00:52:09 Speaker 05: says there in the the brackets

00:52:12 Speaker 05: below, if this motion does not

00:52:14 Speaker 06: pass, and outside a neighboring county,

00:52:16 Speaker 06: for example, resident trapper would still

00:52:18 Speaker 06: be allowed to make the application

00:52:23 Speaker 06: to do the work. So if

00:52:29 Speaker 06: they worked across county boundaries, they

00:52:34 Speaker 06: would still be able to do

00:52:36 Speaker 06: that. Councillor Director Taylor, if you

00:52:39 Speaker 06: can just make that confirmation before

00:52:41 Speaker 06: I go to the the the

00:52:43 Speaker 06: other hands up through you, Madam

00:52:44 Speaker 06: Morden. Would you mind just repeating

00:52:47 Speaker 06: that question? I think I understood

00:52:48 Speaker 06: you, but I just don't want

00:52:51 Speaker 06: to give you a partial answer

00:52:54 Speaker 06: if I've misunderstood you. So, should

00:52:56 Speaker 06: this amendment number two, that's been

00:52:59 Speaker 06: moved by Councillor Greg, seconded by

00:53:01 Speaker 06: Councillor Mill, should it not pass?

00:53:03 Speaker 06: The way that the bylaw exists,

00:53:05 Speaker 06: it still allows a trapper to,

00:53:09 Speaker 06: and I think you better clarify

00:53:11 Speaker 06: trapper and hunter because I think.

00:53:14 Speaker 06: the lines are getting blurred in

00:53:16 Speaker 06: terms of these the the wording