Grey County County Council Meeting Transcript — August 13, 2026

00:08:02 Speaker 01: I would now like to call

00:08:03 Speaker 01: to order this Council meeting of

00:08:04 Speaker 02: August thirteenth. twenty twenty six. As

00:08:08 Speaker 02: you are able, please join us

00:08:09 Speaker 02: in the standing up for and

00:08:11 Speaker 02: singing of "O Canada." O Canada,

00:08:30 Speaker 02: our home and native land. true

00:08:37 Speaker 03: patriot love in all of us

00:08:43 Speaker 04: command. With glowing hearts, we see

00:08:47 Speaker 04: thee rise, the true North, strong

00:08:50 Speaker 04: and free. From far and wide,

00:08:55 Speaker 04: O Canada, we stand on guard

00:08:59 Speaker 05: for thee, guard. God keep our

00:09:06 Speaker 05: land glorious and free, O Canada!

00:09:14 Speaker 05: We stand on guard for thee,

00:09:21 Speaker 05: O Canada! We stand on guard

00:09:26 Speaker 05: for thee. Thank you, Madam Clerk.

00:09:36 Speaker 05: Could you please conduct our roll

00:09:40 Speaker 05: call? Councillor Mackie. Councillor McKay.

00:09:44 Speaker 05: Councillor Carlton sends her regrets today.

00:09:46 Speaker 06: Councillor Pringle. Councillor McQueen. Councillor

00:09:51 Speaker 06: Nielsen. Councillor Patterson. Councillor

00:09:54 Speaker 06: Dicker. Councillor Kentner. Councillor Keaveny.

00:09:58 Speaker 06: Councillor Body sends his regrets. today.

00:10:00 Speaker 06: Alternate Councillor Kepky, Councillor Greg,

00:10:05 Speaker 06: Councillor Milne, Councillor Debrine, Warden

00:10:09 Speaker 06: Matrasovs, Councillor Bordignon also sends his

00:10:12 Speaker 06: regrets today. Councillor Eccles, Councillor Hutchinson.

00:10:17 Speaker 06: So we have all members in

00:10:18 Speaker 06: attendance today, with the exception of

00:10:19 Speaker 06: Councillors Body, Bordignon, and Carlton. Thank

00:10:26 Speaker 06: you. Let us begin by respectfully.

00:10:29 Speaker 06: acknowledging that we are gathering on

00:10:30 Speaker 02: the traditional territory of the Anishinabek

00:10:34 Speaker 02: Nation, the people known as the

00:10:35 Speaker 02: Three Fires, as the Ojibwe, Odawa,

00:10:38 Speaker 02: and Potawatomi nations, and further, we

00:10:42 Speaker 02: give thanks to the Chippewas of

00:10:44 Speaker 02: Saugeen and the Chippewas of Nawash,

00:10:46 Speaker 02: known collectively as the Saugeen Ojibwe

00:10:49 Speaker 02: Nation, the traditional keepers of these

00:10:52 Speaker 02: lands and waters since time immemorial.

00:10:55 Speaker 02: In our south lies the traditional

00:10:58 Speaker 02: territories of the Six Nations of

00:10:59 Speaker 02: the Grand River Haudenosaunee. We are

00:11:03 Speaker 02: dedicated to honouring Indigenous history and

00:11:06 Speaker 02: culture, and committed to moving forward

00:11:09 Speaker 02: in the spirit of truth, reconciliation,

00:11:13 Speaker 02: friendship, and collabouration with all First

00:11:16 Speaker 02: Nations, Métis, and Inuit people. At

00:11:24 Speaker 02: this time in our council. agenda,

00:11:26 Speaker 02: we will look at the adoption

00:11:27 Speaker 02: of the minutes. Item five a:

00:11:29 Speaker 02: It's recommended that the minutes of

00:11:30 Speaker 02: the county council meeting and the

00:11:32 Speaker 02: committee, the whole meeting dated July

00:11:34 Speaker 02: twenty third, twenty twenty six, and

00:11:36 Speaker 02: the resolutions contained therein be adopted

00:11:39 Speaker 02: as presented. May ask for a

00:11:40 Speaker 02: mover and a seconder. Moved by

00:11:42 Speaker 02: Councillor Hutchinson, seconded by Councillor Nielsen.

00:11:44 Speaker 02: It's on the floor for any

00:11:47 Speaker 02: discussion. All those in favour? And

00:11:49 Speaker 02: that motion is carried. Item five

00:11:53 Speaker 02: b: Is recommended that the closed

00:11:55 Speaker 02: session committee of the whole meeting

00:11:56 Speaker 02: minutes dated July twenty third, twenty

00:11:58 Speaker 02: twenty six, and the closed session

00:12:00 Speaker 02: long term care committee of management

00:12:03 Speaker 02: meeting minutes dated July sixteenth, twenty

00:12:07 Speaker 02: twenty six, be adopted as provided.

00:12:08 Speaker 02: May I ask for a mover

00:12:10 Speaker 02: and a seconder? Moved by Councillor

00:12:12 Speaker 02: Kieveny, seconded by Councillor Dobrine. Any

00:12:15 Speaker 02: discussion? All those in favour? That

00:12:22 Speaker 02: motion is carried. Okay. and next

00:12:24 Speaker 02: we'll look at item five C,

00:12:27 Speaker 02: and there are a number of

00:12:28 Speaker 02: items that have been duly published

00:12:30 Speaker 02: and circulated in the agenda. So

00:12:32 Speaker 02: it is recommended that the Long

00:12:33 Speaker 02: Term Care Committee of Management meeting

00:12:37 Speaker 02: minutes dated July sixteenth, twenty twenty

00:12:39 Speaker 02: six, be adopted as presented, and

00:12:41 Speaker 02: that the following resolutions contained therein

00:12:45 Speaker 02: be endorsed. And within it is

00:12:49 Speaker 02: the report LTCCRCM sixteen twenty six

00:12:51 Speaker 02: to be. 26 to be received

00:12:53 Speaker 02: with the following bullet points that

00:12:58 Speaker 02: have been circulated, and that the

00:13:02 Speaker 02: LTCRC LTCRCM 1226 regarding a long

00:13:05 Speaker 02: term care director update be provided

00:13:08 Speaker 02: for received for information that the

00:13:12 Speaker 02: report LTCRCM 1326 regarding the long

00:13:15 Speaker 02: term care operational report dated April

00:13:19 Speaker 02: 15th to June 14th 2026 be

00:13:22 Speaker 02: received, and that the report LTCRCM

00:13:24 Speaker 02: fourteen twenty six regarding Gray Gables

00:13:26 Speaker 02: fire panel and system replacement be

00:13:27 Speaker 02: received, and that the staff be

00:13:29 Speaker 02: directed to proceed with a single

00:13:32 Speaker 02: source purchase with Troy Life and

00:13:34 Speaker 02: Fire Safety Limited for the fire

00:13:36 Speaker 02: panel and system replacement in the

00:13:37 Speaker 02: amount of one hundred and twenty

00:13:39 Speaker 02: two thousand one hundred and seventy

00:13:41 Speaker 02: three dollars and twenty four cents,

00:13:43 Speaker 02: which excludes HST, in accordance with

00:13:45 Speaker 02: section four point seven of the

00:13:48 Speaker 02: purchasing policy and bylaw five two

00:13:50 Speaker 02: zero nine. twenty four, and finally

00:13:53 Speaker 02: there was a report LTCRCM fifteen

00:13:56 Speaker 02: twenty six regarding Lee Manor Building

00:13:59 Speaker 02: Automation System Replacement that it be

00:14:02 Speaker 02: received and that it is noted

00:14:05 Speaker 02: that the Building Automation Replacement be

00:14:06 Speaker 02: awarded to Empire Controls at a

00:14:08 Speaker 02: cost of two hundred and forty

00:14:10 Speaker 02: five thousand three hundred thirty seven

00:14:12 Speaker 02: dollars and seventy one cents excluding

00:14:15 Speaker 02: HST, and that the shortfall be

00:14:18 Speaker 02: funded by reallocating the approved. 2026

00:14:21 Speaker 02: capital budget of 109,700 for hot

00:14:23 Speaker 02: water recirculating system to this project,

00:14:24 Speaker 02: may I ask for a mover

00:14:27 Speaker 02: and a seconder, please? Before I

00:14:28 Speaker 02: look to staff to come and

00:14:30 Speaker 02: make a few comments, move by

00:14:32 Speaker 02: Councillor Gray, second by Councillor Dicker.

00:14:36 Speaker 02: It's now. Oh, sorry, Councillor Gray,

00:14:40 Speaker 02: you're not moving. I would like

00:14:44 Speaker 07: to vote on the first report,

00:14:46 Speaker 07: CM 1626. Twenty-six separately than the

00:14:50 Speaker 07: rest of the minutes, Madam Warden.

00:14:52 Speaker 08: Okay, so Councillor Greg, are you

00:14:55 Speaker 08: moving, but then asking that it

00:14:58 Speaker 08: be split? Okay, so just just

00:15:00 Speaker 08: before I return to Councillor Dicker,

00:15:11 Speaker 08: Madam Clerk, there's a request to

00:15:13 Speaker 08: split. Okay. Okay. So what we

00:15:14 Speaker 08: can do since we haven't actually.

00:15:15 Speaker 08: officially had it on the floor,

00:15:17 Speaker 08: since there was not yet a

00:15:19 Speaker 08: mover with a seconder, we can

00:15:21 Speaker 08: actually look at that first report.

00:15:23 Speaker 08: Second, we can actually separate it

00:15:25 Speaker 08: without having to move to call

00:15:28 Speaker 08: for a separation. So, on this

00:15:32 Speaker 08: first one, then the oh, sorry,

00:15:33 Speaker 08: Councillor McQueen. Sorry, point of order.

00:15:34 Speaker 08: That wasn't the case last meeting

00:15:37 Speaker 08: when I wanted a separate bylaw

00:15:38 Speaker 08: pulled. I had we had to

00:15:41 Speaker 09: have a separate motion to pull

00:15:43 Speaker 09: that separate bylaw, separate the. question,

00:15:44 Speaker 09: so I don't know why we're

00:15:51 Speaker 09: doing it different today than was

00:15:53 Speaker 09: different then. So the clerk has

00:15:54 Speaker 09: confirmed that in that particular case,

00:15:55 Speaker 09: it was already on the floor

00:15:58 Speaker 09: and therefore needed to be split.

00:16:00 Speaker 09: So it's just a procedural chicken

00:16:01 Speaker 02: or egg before. So we can

00:16:02 Speaker 02: do it both way. We can

00:16:05 Speaker 02: have the result in the end.

00:16:07 Speaker 02: People can ask to can move

00:16:08 Speaker 02: simply a portion at the beginning,

00:16:10 Speaker 02: or they can ask to split.

00:16:13 Speaker 02: That still achieves. But still achieves

00:16:15 Speaker 02: the same accomplishment. So, because I

00:16:17 Speaker 02: did not actually have Councillor Greg

00:16:19 Speaker 02: did not move it. Councillor Dickerd

00:16:20 Speaker 02: had raised his hand to second.

00:16:22 Speaker 02: So, Councillor Dickerd, would you be

00:16:24 Speaker 02: willing to move the first part

00:16:25 Speaker 02: of this? Okay. He has confirmed

00:16:28 Speaker 02: that he has. So, I would

00:16:29 Speaker 02: then need a seconder for this

00:16:32 Speaker 02: report, and I've got that from

00:16:34 Speaker 02: Councillor Mackie. Thank you. So now

00:16:37 Speaker 02: this report is on the floor

00:16:40 Speaker 02: for discussion. Director Cornell and Deputy

00:16:42 Speaker 02: CAO, if you would like to.

00:16:45 Speaker 02: come to the lectern and focus

00:16:51 Speaker 02: in on just the topic at

00:16:53 Speaker 02: hand before we continue to the

00:16:56 Speaker 02: rest. Good morning, Madam Warden, members

00:16:57 Speaker 02: of Council. So Jen and I

00:17:00 Speaker 02: have split up. Director Corneil and

00:17:01 Speaker 10: I split up the balance of

00:17:03 Speaker 10: the the notes from the long

00:17:05 Speaker 10: term care committee of management meeting,

00:17:07 Speaker 10: and and I drew the the

00:17:08 Speaker 10: short straw and got this report.

00:17:10 Speaker 10: So quite happy to provide some.

00:17:12 Speaker 10: opening comments and then try and

00:17:14 Speaker 10: answer any questions that may come

00:17:17 Speaker 10: forward from this. So, as part

00:17:19 Speaker 10: of the budget process earlier this

00:17:23 Speaker 10: year, council confirmed the allocation of

00:17:26 Speaker 10: some funding to go towards an

00:17:28 Speaker 10: investigation of potential future options for

00:17:31 Speaker 10: the Rockwood Terrace site and for

00:17:34 Speaker 10: the Grey Gables site. And as

00:17:36 Speaker 10: as council will recall, in late

00:17:38 Speaker 10: 2025, we received some some survey

00:17:40 Speaker 10: requests. from the Ministry of Long

00:17:42 Speaker 10: Term Care in regards to both

00:17:45 Speaker 10: properties and the allocations of potential

00:17:48 Speaker 10: capital funding towards future long term

00:17:50 Speaker 10: care beds at both sites in

00:17:53 Speaker 10: various different ways. We are also,

00:17:55 Speaker 10: obviously, in the process of far

00:17:57 Speaker 10: down the process of constructing the

00:17:59 Speaker 10: new Rockwood Terrace, which will leave

00:18:01 Speaker 10: us with the old Rockwood Terrace

00:18:02 Speaker 10: facility that we have to have

00:18:05 Speaker 10: some idea and conversation around what

00:18:09 Speaker 10: to do with. And so, based.

00:18:11 Speaker 10: on the direction through budget, staff

00:18:13 Speaker 10: have engaged Colliers, who have been

00:18:15 Speaker 10: working with us on Rockwood Terrace,

00:18:16 Speaker 10: and through Colliers, a team of

00:18:19 Speaker 10: professionals to look at both buildings

00:18:21 Speaker 10: and a full options assessment for

00:18:23 Speaker 10: both Gray Gables site and for

00:18:25 Speaker 10: the Rockwood Terrace site, the existing

00:18:26 Speaker 10: Rockwood Terrace site. And so, at

00:18:28 Speaker 10: Long Term Care Committee of Management,

00:18:29 Speaker 10: we provided a bit of an

00:18:30 Speaker 10: update on that work. The report

00:18:33 Speaker 10: is not finalised at this point;

00:18:34 Speaker 10: it was a draft report. The

00:18:35 Speaker 10: draft report, when finalised, will be

00:18:38 Speaker 10: coming. Well, once it's finished, it

00:18:40 Speaker 10: will come back to committee as

00:18:42 Speaker 10: a whole for conversation. The update

00:18:43 Speaker 10: included the scenarios that we've we've

00:18:45 Speaker 10: worked through, some of the options

00:18:48 Speaker 10: that exist when each one of

00:18:49 Speaker 10: those scenarios. So at Rockwood Terrace,

00:18:51 Speaker 10: the scenarios go from leasing the

00:18:54 Speaker 10: building as is to sale of

00:18:57 Speaker 10: the building and site, through to

00:18:59 Speaker 10: the redevelopment of that building into

00:19:01 Speaker 10: a number of different potential future

00:19:02 Speaker 10: uses, including long term care facilities

00:19:04 Speaker 10: of a class A standard. so

00:19:05 Speaker 10: very similar to the standard of

00:19:07 Speaker 10: the facilities that we have at

00:19:09 Speaker 10: our other homes, and indeed a

00:19:13 Speaker 10: building at the new Rockwood Terrace,

00:19:15 Speaker 10: through to looking at options for

00:19:17 Speaker 10: assisted living, affordable living, and seniors'

00:19:18 Speaker 10: community, and a blended option within

00:19:21 Speaker 10: that as well. So, a full

00:19:24 Speaker 10: range of scenarios for the existing

00:19:26 Speaker 10: Rockwood Terrace building were considered, and

00:19:28 Speaker 10: some some Class D estimates provided

00:19:28 Speaker 10: around what they might they might

00:19:30 Speaker 10: look like if we were to

00:19:32 Speaker 10: move forward with any of those

00:19:34 Speaker 10: at some. point in the future,

00:19:36 Speaker 10: and then in regards to the

00:19:39 Speaker 10: Grey Gables site, council will recall

00:19:42 Speaker 10: that we do have an allocation

00:19:45 Speaker 10: of capital funding allocated to Grey

00:19:48 Speaker 10: Gables. It's quite specific to building

00:19:49 Speaker 10: a new 128-bed facility on that

00:19:52 Speaker 10: site, and so we wanted to

00:19:55 Speaker 10: look at other options that were

00:19:56 Speaker 10: potentially available at Grey Gables, aligned

00:19:58 Speaker 10: with new ministry funding programmemes, to

00:19:59 Speaker 10: inform whether or not we asked

00:20:01 Speaker 10: to retain those 62-bed. Retain those

00:20:03 Speaker 10: 62 beds, pass them back to

00:20:04 Speaker 10: the province, or look for some

00:20:07 Speaker 10: other option. And so, based on

00:20:08 Speaker 10: some of the work that the

00:20:10 Speaker 10: Colliers team talked through through Long

00:20:12 Speaker 10: Term Care Committee of Management, we

00:20:15 Speaker 10: looked at a new build on

00:20:18 Speaker 10: the site as well as the

00:20:20 Speaker 10: existing building, and what various different

00:20:22 Speaker 10: additions to Grey Gables could look

00:20:25 Speaker 10: like to use that capital allocation.

00:20:29 Speaker 10: And again, some high level numbers

00:20:31 Speaker 10: were provided on that. Committee, Long

00:20:33 Speaker 10: Term Care Committee of Management, also.

00:20:35 Speaker 10: discussed requests to extend some funding

00:20:37 Speaker 10: associated to this work, and so

00:20:39 Speaker 10: that's the request for thirty thousand

00:20:41 Speaker 10: dollars additional funding to support this

00:20:42 Speaker 10: work, and that's related to a

00:20:45 Speaker 10: fairly late in the day announcement

00:20:45 Speaker 10: by the province. So the Ministry

00:20:46 Speaker 10: of Long Term Care announced just

00:20:48 Speaker 10: as we were starting to get

00:20:50 Speaker 10: to the point where, in fact,

00:20:51 Speaker 10: we'd already had done the slides

00:20:53 Speaker 10: for the report to go to

00:20:56 Speaker 10: Long Term Care Committee of Management,

00:20:58 Speaker 10: as well as the report itself.

00:21:00 Speaker 10: The province announced a new funding

00:21:03 Speaker 10: stream. so the the province has

00:21:05 Speaker 10: long supported capital allocations towards long-term

00:21:08 Speaker 10: care for the creation of new

00:21:10 Speaker 10: bed spaces. Up until very recently,

00:21:14 Speaker 10: as I say, the last few

00:21:15 Speaker 10: few weeks really, that has been

00:21:16 Speaker 10: tied to new beds built to

00:21:18 Speaker 10: modern-day new standards. That's the one

00:21:20 Speaker 10: of the one of the reasons

00:21:22 Speaker 10: why we're building the new Rockwood

00:21:24 Speaker 10: Terrace was to take beds that

00:21:26 Speaker 10: were being delivered at a a

00:21:29 Speaker 10: class C level to create beds

00:21:31 Speaker 10: that were being delivered. at a

00:21:32 Speaker 10: class A level. So, the province

00:21:34 Speaker 10: has long provided capital funding to

00:21:36 Speaker 10: support that work. As I say,

00:21:38 Speaker 10: fairly late on in the day,

00:21:40 Speaker 10: they have introduced a new funding

00:21:43 Speaker 10: stream, which is a renovation funding

00:21:46 Speaker 10: stream. Now, there's not a great

00:21:48 Speaker 10: deal of details around what this

00:21:49 Speaker 10: is, other than they have indicated

00:21:51 Speaker 10: that there is capital funding pot,

00:21:54 Speaker 10: which is less generous than the

00:21:56 Speaker 10: new capital funding pot. It's a

00:22:00 Speaker 10: renovation capital funding pot that can

00:22:02 Speaker 10: go. towards renovations of existing long-term

00:22:05 Speaker 10: care beds to an alternative standard.

00:22:06 Speaker 10: Now, what they've they've been light

00:22:07 Speaker 10: on is what that alternative standard

00:22:09 Speaker 10: might look like. It's probably better

00:22:12 Speaker 10: than it is today, but not

00:22:13 Speaker 10: as good as the ones we're

00:22:15 Speaker 10: building and seeing in new facilities

00:22:18 Speaker 10: being built today. And so, the

00:22:20 Speaker 10: the intent we believe that the

00:22:21 Speaker 10: province on this one is they

00:22:24 Speaker 10: are up against a pressing need

00:22:26 Speaker 10: to activate long-term care beds. And

00:22:29 Speaker 10: so, I think. with new builds

00:22:31 Speaker 10: happening across the province, they're looking

00:22:33 Speaker 10: to see if there are opportunities

00:22:34 Speaker 10: for the reactivation of the beds

00:22:35 Speaker 10: which are being retired as those

00:22:37 Speaker 10: new beds come into being. It's

00:22:39 Speaker 10: quite clear that this is a

00:22:41 Speaker 10: very different programme to the capital

00:22:43 Speaker 10: funding stream. So the funding is

00:22:45 Speaker 10: only tied to a 15-year operating

00:22:47 Speaker 10: commitment rather than a longer-term operating

00:22:49 Speaker 10: agreement. The funding is less, and

00:22:50 Speaker 10: they have introduced this idea of

00:22:52 Speaker 10: an alternative standard. There are certain

00:22:54 Speaker 10: things that they've taken off the

00:22:54 Speaker 10: table when it. comes to the

00:22:56 Speaker 10: alternative standard, but the rest of

00:22:58 Speaker 10: the table is fairly empty and

00:23:00 Speaker 10: vacant, and we have no idea

00:23:02 Speaker 10: what it looks like. And so,

00:23:04 Speaker 10: with the announcement of this potential

00:23:06 Speaker 10: funding, we felt that it would

00:23:08 Speaker 10: be appropriate to request the Support

00:23:09 Speaker 10: Long Term Care Committee of Management

00:23:12 Speaker 10: and then Council to extend the

00:23:14 Speaker 10: scope of work to consider that

00:23:15 Speaker 10: renovation funding and what that could

00:23:16 Speaker 10: look like at Rockwood Terrace. Once

00:23:20 Speaker 10: again, at the conclusion of that

00:23:22 Speaker 10: report, the report will come back

00:23:27 Speaker 10: to Committee of the Whole. I'd

00:23:29 Speaker 10: be happy to take any questions.

00:23:31 Speaker 10: Okay, thank you. So it's on

00:23:35 Speaker 10: the floor for discussion. Deputy Warden.

00:23:37 Speaker 11: Thank you, Madam Warden, and thank

00:23:38 Speaker 11: you, Nile, for the report. Late

00:23:41 Speaker 11: in the day, desperation, hail Mary,

00:23:42 Speaker 11: however you want to describe it,

00:23:44 Speaker 11: that's what it sounds like to

00:23:46 Speaker 11: me by the provincial government. There's

00:23:48 Speaker 11: no doubt that there is a

00:23:49 Speaker 11: pressing need for long-term care beds

00:23:52 Speaker 11: in the province, but here

00:23:54 Speaker 11: in Grey County. Here in Gray

00:23:56 Speaker 11: County, we've already been down this

00:24:00 Speaker 11: road before. We decided to build

00:24:04 Speaker 11: the new facility in Durham. We

00:24:06 Speaker 11: had different contractors, different developers go

00:24:09 Speaker 11: through that building, and every one

00:24:11 Speaker 11: of them said it's cost prohibitive.

00:24:14 Speaker 11: Why, if are we even considering

00:24:15 Speaker 11: pouring another thirty thousand into the

00:24:17 Speaker 11: bucket to have the same outcome?

00:24:20 Speaker 11: I think we all know what

00:24:22 Speaker 11: the outcome would be, or what

00:24:23 Speaker 11: the answer might. be to a

00:24:25 Speaker 11: request for us to fund more

00:24:27 Speaker 11: beds, if the province is so

00:24:29 Speaker 11: hell bent on doing this, they

00:24:31 Speaker 11: put the thirty thousand in the

00:24:33 Speaker 11: bucket and they can fund the

00:24:36 Speaker 11: new beds. And they can also

00:24:38 Speaker 11: try to find staff, good staff

00:24:40 Speaker 11: that we have. There's not many

00:24:43 Speaker 11: of them because they're hard to

00:24:46 Speaker 11: find, but we've got good staff.

00:24:47 Speaker 11: I'm not sure there's a supply

00:24:51 Speaker 11: of good staff to fund another

00:24:54 Speaker 11: facility of this nature. So I

00:24:59 Speaker 11: am. not supportive of this right

00:25:01 Speaker 11: now, but I'll wait to see

00:25:04 Speaker 11: what my colleagues think. Thank you.

00:25:07 Speaker 11: Okay, thank you very much. Other

00:25:08 Speaker 12: discussion, Councillor Gray. I'll leave with

00:25:10 Speaker 12: a question right off the bat,

00:25:27 Speaker 12: either to Jen or Nile. What

00:25:27 Speaker 12: is the subsidy currently carried by

00:25:32 Speaker 13: the taxpayer through the tax levy

00:25:35 Speaker 13: for every bed we have right

00:25:38 Speaker 13: now in the County of Grey?

00:25:40 Speaker 13: I threw you, Madam Lord, in

00:25:42 Speaker 13: twenty-eight thousand dollars. So here's

00:25:44 Speaker 07: what I can support. I can

00:25:46 Speaker 07: support us continuing to look at

00:25:50 Speaker 07: an expansion of Grey Gables with

00:25:51 Speaker 07: a couple. Of Gray Gables with

00:25:56 Speaker 07: a couple extra pods, as it

00:25:57 Speaker 07: was originally designed, and could perhaps

00:26:00 Speaker 07: accommodate and create efficiencies in our

00:26:03 Speaker 07: service delivery, looking to minimize as

00:26:06 Speaker 07: best we can that cost per

00:26:08 Speaker 07: bed. I cannot support, and I'm

00:26:10 Speaker 07: going to add a little to

00:26:14 Speaker 07: my colleague here, Deputy Warden Milne.

00:26:16 Speaker 07: Even if they funded all the

00:26:19 Speaker 07: capital requirements, we haven't begun to

00:26:21 Speaker 07: talk about the operational costs, the

00:26:24 Speaker 07: service delivery. Costs of service delivery.

00:26:26 Speaker 07: We have talked about it around

00:26:28 Speaker 07: this table for several terms

00:26:32 Speaker 07: of council. We are not competitive

00:26:34 Speaker 07: with the private sector. I am

00:26:36 Speaker 07: completely in line with continuing our

00:26:39 Speaker 07: obligation and our excellent service provision

00:26:41 Speaker 07: for the beds that we currently

00:26:43 Speaker 07: have. Potentially, could add sixty-eight. Perhaps

00:26:46 Speaker 07: create efficiencies. That should be our

00:26:47 Speaker 07: goal in business as a corporation

00:26:49 Speaker 07: in service delivery. Look for service.

00:26:51 Speaker 07: for efficiencies in controlling the costs,

00:26:54 Speaker 07: but there is absolutely no way

00:26:57 Speaker 07: I can support further looking at

00:26:59 Speaker 07: thirty thousand dollars to expand the

00:27:00 Speaker 07: scope of the study to come

00:27:03 Speaker 07: back and tell us what we

00:27:04 Speaker 07: should already know sitting around this

00:27:06 Speaker 07: table today that we cannot compete

00:27:08 Speaker 07: with the private sector, and this

00:27:11 Speaker 07: is not something that we should

00:27:12 Speaker 07: be doing either this sitting council

00:27:14 Speaker 07: or regardless of the sitting council

00:27:17 Speaker 07: to get more information and come

00:27:19 Speaker 07: back. and tell us the same,

00:27:20 Speaker 07: the outcome that we already know

00:27:22 Speaker 07: today makes no sense and is

00:27:24 Speaker 07: a waste of thirty thousand dollars

00:27:25 Speaker 07: of taxpayers' dollars that should not

00:27:27 Speaker 07: be spent investigating this. Like Deputy

00:27:29 Speaker 07: Warden Milne said, if the province

00:27:30 Speaker 07: is so hell bent on it,

00:27:36 Speaker 07: then they can line up with

00:27:40 Speaker 14: a private provider and they can

00:27:41 Speaker 14: try to compete on that level

00:27:44 Speaker 14: in terms of bed expansion. But

00:27:46 Speaker 15: this is not for the County

00:27:48 Speaker 15: Grey to be pursuing. Okay, I'll

00:27:50 Speaker 15: look for any other discussion from

00:27:53 Speaker 15: council members, and I'll look back

00:27:54 Speaker 15: to staff. I'll go to the

00:27:57 Speaker 15: C.A.O. Thank you, and through you,

00:27:58 Speaker 15: Warden, and appreciate all the comments

00:28:00 Speaker 15: in terms of from from both

00:28:02 Speaker 15: Councillor Mill and Councillor Gregg with

00:28:03 Speaker 15: respect to with respect to this.

00:28:05 Speaker 15: Just wanted to highlight note that

00:28:08 Speaker 15: all the options that are that

00:28:12 Speaker 15: have been explored to date, as

00:28:15 Speaker 15: well as this particular option, from

00:28:18 Speaker 15: what I understand, looks at all

00:28:20 Speaker 15: options. in terms of either the

00:28:22 Speaker 15: county potentially owning and operating, the

00:28:23 Speaker 15: county owning and potentially leasing to

00:28:25 Speaker 15: a private operator, or divesting of

00:28:26 Speaker 15: that property for a potential use.

00:28:28 Speaker 15: That potential use could be this

00:28:30 Speaker 15: option in terms of a long-term

00:28:34 Speaker 15: care home option. Could be the

00:28:36 Speaker 15: other options that have already been

00:28:39 Speaker 15: explored to date. So I just

00:28:41 Speaker 15: wanted to flag that and note

00:28:43 Speaker 15: that that this would be part

00:28:45 Speaker 15: of my understanding that analysis is.

00:28:48 Speaker 15: that it's not necessarily looking at

00:28:50 Speaker 15: just the county owning and operating

00:28:53 Speaker 15: a long-term care facility under this

00:28:55 Speaker 15: new standard, under this new funding

00:28:57 Speaker 10: model. It could be somebody else

00:28:58 Speaker 10: potentially that could operate that as

00:29:02 Speaker 10: another option. So I don't know

00:29:03 Speaker 10: if Nile or Jen have anything

00:29:05 Speaker 10: further with respect to that. So

00:29:06 Speaker 10: through you, Madam Warden, the CIO

00:29:08 Speaker 10: is quite correct. This is this

00:29:10 Speaker 10: is in all cases. the consideration

00:29:13 Speaker 10: is it could be the county

00:29:16 Speaker 10: that operates, it could be a

00:29:19 Speaker 10: third-party private vendor, it could be

00:29:21 Speaker 10: some sort of a partnership arrangement

00:29:24 Speaker 10: in between those two things. And

00:29:26 Speaker 10: the other thing is just to

00:29:28 Speaker 10: to reinforce the any future the

00:29:30 Speaker 10: the the intent of the work

00:29:33 Speaker 10: being done is to inform the

00:29:34 Speaker 10: future debate around what to do

00:29:36 Speaker 10: with the existing long long-term care

00:29:38 Speaker 10: home at Rockwood Terrace and what

00:29:39 Speaker 10: to do with the existing allocation

00:29:41 Speaker 10: of. The existing allocations of capital

00:29:43 Speaker 10: funding at Grey Gables, and so

00:29:45 Speaker 10: that's that the the intent behind

00:29:47 Speaker 10: the report is simply to provide

00:29:48 Speaker 10: the information so that when we

00:29:54 Speaker 10: have those questions and conversations later

00:29:55 Speaker 10: on, there are no decisions being

00:29:59 Speaker 10: made at this point in time

00:30:00 Speaker 16: as to options that are preferred,

00:30:03 Speaker 16: options to explore over other options,

00:30:05 Speaker 16: or any sort of priority associated

00:30:10 Speaker 16: to those options. But you're quite

00:30:11 Speaker 16: correct. Okay, thank you. I'll go

00:30:13 Speaker 16: to Councillor Dobrine, and then over

00:30:18 Speaker 16: to Councillor Mackie. And then over

00:30:21 Speaker 16: to Councillor Mackey next. Thank you,

00:30:24 Speaker 16: Warden, and good morning. And thank

00:30:27 Speaker 16: you, Nile. I appreciate the concern.

00:30:30 Speaker 16: I I think I want to

00:30:33 Speaker 16: explore. Will this expanded scope? Think

00:30:35 Speaker 16: I heard the answer, but I

00:30:40 Speaker 16: just want to clarify. Will this

00:30:43 Speaker 16: expanded scope include options for Grey

00:30:47 Speaker 16: Gables? So, under we know that

00:30:50 Speaker 16: we have allocation for sixty-two new

00:30:53 Speaker 16: beds. To new beds in a

00:30:54 Speaker 16: new facility, brand new, similar to

00:30:57 Speaker 16: the Rockwood Terrace redevelopment, which would

00:30:58 Speaker 16: leave the existing Gray Gables for

00:31:00 Speaker 16: some other use. But could will

00:31:02 Speaker 16: this include exploring an expansion renovation

00:31:05 Speaker 10: to Gray Gables that could also

00:31:08 Speaker 10: incorporate those, if the province were

00:31:13 Speaker 10: agreeable, to to rather than than

00:31:15 Speaker 10: a total new build. So. that's

00:31:17 Speaker 10: kind of where my question is.

00:31:21 Speaker 10: So, to you, Madam Warden, thank

00:31:23 Speaker 10: you for the question. No, none

00:31:24 Speaker 10: of the thirty thousand would apply

00:31:26 Speaker 10: to Grey Gables. Grey Gables meets

00:31:27 Speaker 10: all provincial standards and is is

00:31:32 Speaker 17: not is not therefore scheduled for

00:31:37 Speaker 17: a renovation or or getting the

00:31:40 Speaker 17: renovated renovation funding. So, this is

00:31:42 Speaker 17: specific to renovation of retired retired,

00:31:45 Speaker 16: if you like, long term care

00:31:47 Speaker 16: beds. Long-term care beds, where and

00:31:50 Speaker 16: the only ones we will have

00:31:52 Speaker 16: are the ones that are in

00:31:56 Speaker 16: the existing Rockwood Terrace building.

00:32:02 Speaker 16: So this is very specific to

00:32:04 Speaker 16: Rockwood Terrace. Thank you, and I

00:32:08 Speaker 16: appreciate that. I I'm inclined to

00:32:12 Speaker 16: agree in that all the information

00:32:15 Speaker 16: that we had at the time

00:32:17 Speaker 16: of deciding on you know 100

00:32:19 Speaker 16: million dollars to redevelop Rockwood Terrace

00:32:21 Speaker 16: in Durham was based. on the

00:32:24 Speaker 16: information that the province saw our

00:32:27 Speaker 16: existing facility as undevelopable, unexpandable, and

00:32:31 Speaker 16: unsuitable. And now that we've invested

00:32:33 Speaker 16: and we are this close to

00:32:33 Speaker 16: opening, they have a change of

00:32:37 Speaker 16: heart, and everything that we knew

00:32:40 Speaker 16: then, or that the information that

00:32:42 Speaker 18: we had at our disposal to

00:32:44 Speaker 18: make that decision. was based that

00:32:47 Speaker 18: Rockwood Terrace should not be redeveloped,

00:32:49 Speaker 18: or could not be redeveloped. So,

00:32:51 Speaker 18: I'm inclined to agree. Thank you.

00:32:53 Speaker 18: Okay, we're going to go to

00:32:56 Speaker 18: Councillor Mackey, and then I'll look

00:32:59 Speaker 18: for other hands. Thank you, Madam

00:33:01 Speaker 18: Warden. Good morning, County Council. It

00:33:03 Speaker 18: is frustrating the fact that we're

00:33:05 Speaker 18: spending so much money on a

00:33:06 Speaker 18: new development when this information came

00:33:08 Speaker 18: out that the old one possibly

00:33:11 Speaker 18: could have been retrofitted. So I

00:33:15 Speaker 18: mean, I share that frustration with

00:33:16 Speaker 18: my colleagues. I agree with my

00:33:18 Speaker 18: friends across the the horseshoe in

00:33:19 Speaker 18: regards to the amount of money

00:33:20 Speaker 18: that Gray County has spent and

00:33:22 Speaker 18: is spending on long term care.

00:33:24 Speaker 18: I fully support the money that

00:33:26 Speaker 18: we are spending on long term

00:33:30 Speaker 18: care. It's important. We're doing a

00:33:31 Speaker 18: bang up job. Our elderly are

00:33:33 Speaker 18: well taken care of in our

00:33:35 Speaker 18: homes. and if I had to

00:33:36 Speaker 18: place a loved one in a

00:33:38 Speaker 18: home, I'd be hoping to get

00:33:39 Speaker 18: a county bed. That being said,

00:33:41 Speaker 18: I don't think we can afford

00:33:43 Speaker 18: to keep going with any more,

00:33:44 Speaker 18: whether it be Gregables expansion or

00:33:46 Speaker 18: an expansion of an old Rockwood.

00:33:48 Speaker 18: I just don't think we can

00:33:49 Speaker 18: afford, with all the other budgetary

00:33:50 Speaker 18: constraints that we're going to have.

00:33:52 Speaker 18: I don't think we can afford,

00:33:54 Speaker 18: you know, any more. The thirty

00:33:57 Speaker 18: thousand, when we had that discussion

00:33:58 Speaker 18: at the long-term care committee of

00:33:59 Speaker 18: management, is more about what are

00:34:02 Speaker 18: the next steps. for us? We

00:34:04 Speaker 18: know we're going to have a

00:34:05 Speaker 18: vacant Rockwood Terrace that we have

00:34:07 Speaker 18: to make some decisions on. It's

00:34:09 Speaker 18: going to cost us a fair

00:34:11 Speaker 18: a fair amount of dollars per

00:34:13 Speaker 18: month to keep that place, you

00:34:15 Speaker 18: know, empty, you know, with security

00:34:17 Speaker 18: and heating. So we got to

00:34:18 Speaker 18: make some decisions. I won't be

00:34:20 Speaker 18: making that decision, but members of

00:34:21 Speaker 18: this horseshoe that are elected will

00:34:23 Speaker 18: be making that decision. So the

00:34:25 Speaker 18: long-term care committee management just wanted

00:34:26 Speaker 18: to make sure that the new

00:34:28 Speaker 18: council has all the information to

00:34:30 Speaker 18: make make the best. To make

00:34:33 Speaker 18: the best informed decision, and that's

00:34:34 Speaker 18: really what this thirty thousand is

00:34:36 Speaker 18: about. And not that I like

00:34:37 Speaker 18: spending thirty thousand on something that

00:34:38 Speaker 18: I think I know the answer

00:34:40 Speaker 18: to. As far as you know,

00:34:42 Speaker 18: possible redevelopment of new beds, I

00:34:43 Speaker 18: don't think that's in the cards.

00:34:44 Speaker 18: But knowing what to do with

00:34:46 Speaker 18: that that building is going to

00:34:50 Speaker 18: you know have impact on well

00:34:52 Speaker 18: a campus of care. You know

00:34:55 Speaker 18: we've talked about a campus of

00:34:58 Speaker 18: care for a long time and

00:34:58 Speaker 18: that potential. I don't know what

00:35:01 Speaker 18: the cost of that would be,

00:35:03 Speaker 18: but we know we have a

00:35:04 Speaker 18: shortfall. in some of the other

00:35:06 Speaker 18: beds for seniors and some of

00:35:07 Speaker 18: the senior services that are required.

00:35:09 Speaker 18: You know we've got long-term care,

00:35:10 Speaker 18: we've got retirement homes, but we

00:35:12 Speaker 18: don't have that that missing link

00:35:13 Speaker 18: in between. So this information would

00:35:16 Speaker 18: provide more options on what we

00:35:17 Speaker 18: could do in that regard too.

00:35:18 Speaker 18: Affordable housing for seniors. There's a

00:35:21 Speaker 18: there's a lot of things that

00:35:22 Speaker 18: can be looked at through this

00:35:23 Speaker 18: thirty thousand dollars to help the

00:35:26 Speaker 18: new council make the decisions. You

00:35:27 Speaker 18: know that are going to have

00:35:30 Speaker 18: to be made. So I'll just

00:35:35 Speaker 18: leave it that, and I do

00:35:37 Speaker 19: support spending that money because I

00:35:39 Speaker 19: think that information. And this is

00:35:41 Speaker 19: on behalf of the Long Term

00:35:43 Speaker 19: Care Committee of Management. We had

00:35:45 Speaker 19: that discussion, and the committee thought

00:35:49 Speaker 20: that that money was going to

00:35:55 Speaker 20: be important for the new council

00:36:01 Speaker 20: to make informed decisions. I'll leave

00:36:04 Speaker 20: it at that. Thank you. Thank

00:36:08 Speaker 20: you, and I'll just look for

00:36:11 Speaker 20: any other input. Okay, Councillor Greg.

00:36:14 Speaker 20: I would like to place an

00:36:18 Speaker 20: amendment on the floor. to remove

00:36:19 Speaker 20: the last of the three bullets

00:36:22 Speaker 20: there that staff beeps directed to

00:36:25 Speaker 20: extend the scope of work with

00:36:28 Speaker 20: Colliers to investigate scenario five. I

00:36:30 Speaker 20: am totally. I understand Chair Mackey's

00:36:33 Speaker 20: comments, but perhaps Nile could remind

00:36:35 Speaker 20: Council what the expenditure on the

00:36:37 Speaker 20: original consultant's study was. for this

00:36:40 Speaker 20: project. Most of, I think, what

00:36:42 Speaker 20: you spoke to should be contained

00:36:44 Speaker 20: in already the considerable sum of

00:36:46 Speaker 20: money that we hired the colliers

00:36:48 Speaker 07: to pre-provide information back to this

00:36:53 Speaker 07: council for already. So, I understand

00:36:56 Speaker 07: where you're coming from and representing

00:37:06 Speaker 07: the committee, but I think value

00:37:11 Speaker 07: for money in terms of the

00:37:13 Speaker 21: bids and tenders and the deliverables

00:37:15 Speaker 21: and that. original that original project

00:37:16 Speaker 21: scope, it should certainly have already

00:37:17 Speaker 21: entertained. I think most of what

00:37:19 Speaker 21: you're just mentioning there, because it

00:37:21 Speaker 21: was significant, and that was what

00:37:24 Speaker 21: we were talking about was future

00:37:26 Speaker 21: uses. Okay, so there was a

00:37:28 Speaker 21: question about the holistic costing. I'll

00:37:30 Speaker 21: leave it to staff. Okay. Perhaps

00:37:32 Speaker 21: let me see procedurally. Okay. Well,

00:37:34 Speaker 21: there's been a move, but also

00:37:35 Speaker 21: embedded into that is a question.

00:37:36 Speaker 21: So I think what I better

00:37:39 Speaker 21: do is I better call for

00:37:41 Speaker 21: a second or first before we

00:37:42 Speaker 21: go into further dialogueue on that.

00:37:44 Speaker 21: So Councillor Gregg has moved that

00:37:49 Speaker 21: the motion be amended to strike

00:37:51 Speaker 21: out the third clause of the

00:37:54 Speaker 21: motion regarding extending the scope of

00:37:56 Speaker 21: work with Colliers. Is there a

00:37:58 Speaker 21: second or for that? Is there

00:38:00 Speaker 21: a seconder for that? We've got

00:38:03 Speaker 10: a seconder by Councillor McKay, so

00:38:05 Speaker 10: that's now on the floor for

00:38:09 Speaker 10: discussion. So now I will look

00:38:11 Speaker 10: to staff to provide answers to

00:38:14 Speaker 10: the questions, and then we will

00:38:17 Speaker 10: move into discussion only on this

00:38:19 Speaker 10: particular motion. Thank you, Madam Warden.

00:38:23 Speaker 10: The total scope of work that

00:38:26 Speaker 10: Colliers have been engaged with with

00:38:28 Speaker 10: their subconsultants and subtrades to this

00:38:31 Speaker 10: point in time has a total

00:38:34 Speaker 10: approved budget of around about $195,000.

00:38:35 Speaker 10: Ninety-five thousand dollars. It does cover

00:38:36 Speaker 10: most of the options that were

00:38:39 Speaker 10: were listed by by the question

00:38:41 Speaker 10: in terms of future uses for

00:38:42 Speaker 10: for long-term care. The request for

00:38:44 Speaker 10: the thirty thousand is very specific

00:38:46 Speaker 10: to renovation of Rockwood Terrace. has

00:38:47 Speaker 10: a hundred and a hundred beds

00:38:52 Speaker 10: currently. The the thirty thousand would

00:38:54 Speaker 10: figure out what the alternative standard

00:38:56 Speaker 10: that the ministry is articulating. could

00:38:57 Speaker 10: look like how many of those

00:38:59 Speaker 10: alternative standard beds would be able

00:39:00 Speaker 10: to be provided within the fabric

00:39:04 Speaker 10: of the building, and what the

00:39:06 Speaker 10: capital construction costs and operating costs

00:39:08 Speaker 10: of that building would be on

00:39:11 Speaker 10: a go forward basis. That's not

00:39:13 Speaker 10: a scenario that was originally considered

00:39:15 Speaker 10: in that scope of work because,

00:39:16 Speaker 10: as has been indicated by members

00:39:18 Speaker 10: of council, there was no funding

00:39:21 Speaker 10: available previously for renovation funding. So

00:39:25 Speaker 10: this this happened quite late in

00:39:29 Speaker 22: the day. So the scope. of

00:39:31 Speaker 22: that thirty thousand is very specific

00:39:32 Speaker 22: to the renovation of the existing

00:39:33 Speaker 22: Rockwood Terrace to some number of

00:39:36 Speaker 22: long-term care beds. It would be

00:39:37 Speaker 22: somewhere less than a hundred because

00:39:39 Speaker 22: the alternative standard will be better

00:39:41 Speaker 22: than the standard we provide today,

00:39:48 Speaker 22: but we have no idea what

00:39:51 Speaker 23: that would be, and therefore what

00:39:53 Speaker 23: the the operating and capital costs

00:39:54 Speaker 23: would be associated to it. Okay,

00:39:57 Speaker 23: thank you. Any discussion on this

00:39:59 Speaker 23: particular? motion? Okay, I'm not seeing

00:40:00 Speaker 02: any hands up. Then I'll call

00:40:02 Speaker 02: the question on this one. That

00:40:03 Speaker 02: that the motion be that we

00:40:05 Speaker 02: strike out the third clause of

00:40:08 Speaker 02: the motion regarding the extending of

00:40:09 Speaker 02: the scope of work with Colliers.

00:40:11 Speaker 02: All those in favour of this

00:40:13 Speaker 02: motion? Okay, that's carried. So, Madam

00:40:17 Speaker 02: Clerk, that then strikes out back

00:40:20 Speaker 02: to the main motion that has

00:40:23 Speaker 02: already been. moved, which was only

00:40:25 Speaker 02: this report, not the rest of

00:40:26 Speaker 02: the long term care, not the

00:40:28 Speaker 02: adoption of the minutes and the

00:40:30 Speaker 02: rest of the long term care

00:40:31 Speaker 02: committee of management minutes, and the

00:40:35 Speaker 02: resolutions contained therein. So we're now

00:40:37 Speaker 02: back to the main motion, which

00:40:40 Speaker 02: you can see is now reduced

00:40:43 Speaker 02: to only these two points of

00:40:46 Speaker 02: this LTCRCM twenty sixteen twenty six

00:40:48 Speaker 02: report: the recommendation that the Colliers

00:40:52 Speaker 02: Project Leaders report and report and

00:40:54 Speaker 02: presentation. regarding the future options for

00:40:56 Speaker 02: grey cables and the existing Rockward

00:40:58 Speaker 02: Terrace be received for information, and

00:41:02 Speaker 02: that staff continue discussions with the

00:41:04 Speaker 02: Ministry of Long Term Care in

00:41:05 Speaker 02: respect to previous ministry surveys and

00:41:09 Speaker 02: future planning, and report back to

00:41:11 Speaker 02: Council as appropriate. So that has

00:41:13 Speaker 02: been moved, and who? Sorry, who

00:41:15 Speaker 02: moved and seconded that? We had

00:41:17 Speaker 02: that one moved by Councillor Gregg

00:41:20 Speaker 02: and seconded by Councillor. Oh, sorry.

00:41:22 Speaker 02: No, it was Councillor. I yes,

00:41:25 Speaker 02: it was carried. It was moved

00:41:27 Speaker 02: by Councillor Dicker and seconded by

00:41:31 Speaker 02: Councillor Mackie. Yes, correct. Okay, good.

00:41:32 Speaker 02: All right. So with that, then

00:41:34 Speaker 02: any further discussion on these two

00:41:36 Speaker 02: items in this report? Okay. All

00:41:37 Speaker 02: those in favour, and that is

00:41:41 Speaker 02: carried. Now we're going to return

00:41:44 Speaker 02: to the remainder of the minutes

00:41:48 Speaker 02: of the Long Term Care Committee

00:41:53 Speaker 02: of Management, which included the other

00:41:55 Speaker 02: resolutions. that were in there that

00:41:58 Speaker 24: have been duly circulated and shared

00:42:00 Speaker 24: in the public distribution of the

00:42:02 Speaker 24: agenda, and for that now I

00:42:07 Speaker 24: will need a fresh mover and

00:42:10 Speaker 24: a seconder for this. Move by

00:42:11 Speaker 09: Councillor Nielsen, seconded by the Deputy

00:42:14 Speaker 09: Warden. It's now on the floor

00:42:15 Speaker 09: for discussion. Any discussion on these

00:42:17 Speaker 09: resolutions? Oh, sorry. We're going to

00:42:19 Speaker 09: circle back to staff. Good morning,

00:42:21 Speaker 09: Director Cornell. Good morning, Warden, and

00:42:22 Speaker 09: good morning, County Council. And I

00:42:25 Speaker 09: don't need to go through the

00:42:27 Speaker 09: motions that are there. If there's

00:42:29 Speaker 09: any questions, I'm happy to answer

00:42:32 Speaker 09: them. Okay, so we'll begin with

00:42:33 Speaker 09: Councillor McLean. Good morning, Warden, and

00:42:35 Speaker 09: good morning, County Council, and to

00:42:37 Speaker 09: you, Jen. Just with regards to

00:42:39 Speaker 09: the first part, it talks about

00:42:40 Speaker 09: the future of Ray Gables. Gray

00:42:42 Speaker 09: Gables, we have had lots of

00:42:45 Speaker 09: reports going back to 2022 where

00:42:45 Speaker 09: they looked at the option of

00:42:50 Speaker 09: building a new 128 bed facility

00:42:51 Speaker 09: and the other part of creating

00:42:55 Speaker 09: the remainder older Gray Gables into

00:42:57 Speaker 09: a long term or assisted living.

00:43:01 Speaker 09: It was supposed to come back,

00:43:04 Speaker 09: it never did. I'm trying to

00:43:07 Speaker 09: think 2022 or thereabouts, and but

00:43:09 Speaker 09: we've spent money on that. Maybe

00:43:11 Speaker 09: you know that needs to be

00:43:14 Speaker 09: dusted off and brought back to

00:43:15 Speaker 09: this body or or future body

00:43:18 Speaker 09: of this horseshoe. But there was

00:43:20 Speaker 09: a lot of recommendations. in that.

00:43:23 Speaker 09: But the point I want to

00:43:24 Speaker 09: make is, when the application was

00:43:27 Speaker 09: made in November of 2019, which

00:43:29 Speaker 09: we got granted in 2020 itself,

00:43:31 Speaker 09: was to build, to get an

00:43:33 Speaker 09: additional 62 bids to build a

00:43:35 Speaker 09: new facility. It was raised here

00:43:36 Speaker 09: that I think by Councillor Greg

00:43:38 Speaker 09: that are there options of adding

00:43:40 Speaker 09: on versus building a brand new

00:43:43 Speaker 09: facility. because the part of building,

00:43:45 Speaker 09: as Councillor or Scott Mackey had

00:43:46 Speaker 09: said, you know, it's a cost.

00:43:48 Speaker 09: But I don't know has there

00:43:50 Speaker 09: had been those conversations with the

00:43:52 Speaker 09: ministry? And certainly, Rockmore Terrace has

00:43:54 Speaker 09: to be finished and and moved

00:43:55 Speaker 09: forward. But there are those beds,

00:43:56 Speaker 09: those sixty two beds, to reallocate

00:43:58 Speaker 09: those to an addition versus a

00:43:59 Speaker 09: brand new build. Do we have

00:44:02 Speaker 09: to make a new application, or

00:44:04 Speaker 09: we had some conversations about that?

00:44:06 Speaker 09: Because it's always been talked about.

00:44:07 Speaker 09: is building that fourth wing onto

00:44:09 Speaker 09: Grey Gables, and I thought there

00:44:11 Speaker 09: was a report. We've been getting

00:44:13 Speaker 09: reports back to 2016 around this

00:44:15 Speaker 09: horseshoe. It talks about the bones

00:44:18 Speaker 09: are good at Grey Gables. I

00:44:22 Speaker 09: think we all some of those

00:44:24 Speaker 09: have been here, have heard that

00:44:26 Speaker 09: the bones are good, that the

00:44:28 Speaker 09: infrastructure is good. It was commissioned

00:44:30 Speaker 09: in 1999 or 2000 thereabouts. So,

00:44:32 Speaker 09: but at the time, and I

00:44:36 Speaker 09: think we all agree, assisted living

00:44:38 Speaker 09: is certainly something that is a

00:44:40 Speaker 09: need as well. But one of

00:44:42 Speaker 09: those reports that came back did

00:44:43 Speaker 09: show. on the assisted living that

00:44:45 Speaker 09: it's a revenue generator that helps

00:44:46 Speaker 09: offset the cost of building a

00:44:48 Speaker 09: brand new 128 bed facility. With

00:44:50 Speaker 09: the point that the 62 beds

00:44:52 Speaker 09: will be funded, the remaining 66

00:44:54 Speaker 09: beds isn't funded by the province.

00:44:56 Speaker 09: But there was a report that

00:44:58 Speaker 09: showed that it was cost benefit,

00:45:00 Speaker 09: not assisted living, but these initial

00:45:01 Speaker 09: outlay of cash to build both.

00:45:03 Speaker 09: I don't know where. that conversation

00:45:05 Speaker 09: or conversations with the ministry. It

00:45:07 Speaker 09: seems to be hung up on

00:45:10 Speaker 09: the old Rockwood Terrace, and I

00:45:11 Speaker 09: think even on the old Rockwood

00:45:13 Speaker 09: Terrace there was conversations around this

00:45:15 Speaker 09: horseshoe. Different times, it would make

00:45:16 Speaker 09: a good assisted living. It would

00:45:18 Speaker 09: complement the new Rockwood Terrace, which

00:45:19 Speaker 09: is a long-term care facility. We've

00:45:21 Speaker 09: dealt with that, but that was

00:45:23 Speaker 09: some of the conversation. I think

00:45:24 Speaker 09: we would all agree. Why would

00:45:26 Speaker 09: we create another long-term care facility

00:45:27 Speaker 09: in in the area where the

00:45:28 Speaker 09: new Rockwood Terrace is to create

00:45:30 Speaker 09: competition as as Council Miller has

00:45:32 Speaker 09: said, Deputy Warden is if you're

00:45:34 Speaker 09: competing with staffing in that area,

00:45:36 Speaker 09: which I don't know why they

00:45:37 Speaker 09: don't get that, but anyway, we

00:45:39 Speaker 09: don't go there. Anyway, I'm just

00:45:41 Speaker 09: going back to the part that

00:45:43 Speaker 09: there is a report that did

00:45:44 Speaker 09: come out that talked about building

00:45:45 Speaker 09: a brand new Grey Gables in

00:45:46 Speaker 09: assisted living. But I do think

00:45:47 Speaker 09: at some point we need to

00:45:48 Speaker 09: ask a question or have some

00:45:49 Speaker 09: kind of a report by what

00:45:50 Speaker 09: does it look like to add

00:45:52 Speaker 09: the 62 beds to the current

00:45:57 Speaker 09: Grey Gables at some point in

00:45:58 Speaker 21: the future. I think that. option

00:46:00 Speaker 21: it never was, and the bids

00:46:00 Speaker 21: that were applied were never applied

00:46:02 Speaker 21: that way. Anyway, leave it at

00:46:04 Speaker 21: that. I don't know if Jen

00:46:06 Speaker 21: has more, but there's a lot

00:46:08 Speaker 21: of reports that have been there

00:46:09 Speaker 21: in the past that maybe we

00:46:11 Speaker 21: don't need to spend more money,

00:46:12 Speaker 21: but there's a lot of stuff

00:46:14 Speaker 21: there that need to be dusted

00:46:16 Speaker 21: off maybe at some point. Thank

00:46:17 Speaker 21: you. Okay, we're going to start

00:46:18 Speaker 21: with the CEO, and then to

00:46:31 Speaker 21: Director Cornell, and then of course

00:46:32 Speaker 03: we need to focus on the

00:46:34 Speaker 21: fact of what was just reported

00:46:37 Speaker 21: in this portion of of your

00:46:40 Speaker 21: report. So we really do. need

00:46:41 Speaker 21: to stay on this agenda, acknowledging

00:46:42 Speaker 21: that there's a has been a

00:46:44 Speaker 21: lot of hard work, a lot

00:46:46 Speaker 21: of contemplation, a lot of reports

00:46:47 Speaker 21: done that have supported us to

00:46:49 Speaker 21: the place where we are now

00:46:52 Speaker 21: with the long term care facilities

00:46:54 Speaker 21: that we have. So, with that,

00:46:55 Speaker 21: CAO. Okay. So, and yes, thank

00:46:57 Speaker 21: you. But, Councillor McQueen, we've already

00:46:59 Speaker 21: voted on that, so. we're not

00:47:01 Speaker 15: having further discussion on that. So,

00:47:03 Speaker 15: thank you. Appreciate the highlights again

00:47:05 Speaker 15: of all the hard work that's

00:47:08 Speaker 15: gone in and all the wealth

00:47:09 Speaker 15: of information that is provided to

00:47:11 Speaker 15: us as we make our decisions

00:47:12 Speaker 15: moving forward. So, with that, I'll

00:47:16 Speaker 15: just look to the CAO and

00:47:19 Speaker 15: Director Cornell. Through you, Warren. I

00:47:21 Speaker 15: think you just answered that. If

00:47:25 Speaker 15: that's that matter was part of

00:47:27 Speaker 15: the the previous report that was

00:47:29 Speaker 15: just passed as part of that

00:47:31 Speaker 15: motion, there is information with respect

00:47:33 Speaker 02: to some preliminary information with respect.

00:47:36 Speaker 02: to the options that have been

00:47:38 Speaker 02: analysed as part of of Gray

00:47:39 Speaker 02: Gables, and that can be found

00:47:42 Speaker 02: in the Long Term Care Committee

00:47:43 Speaker 02: Manager Report that's referenced in that

00:47:46 Speaker 02: motion that was just previously passed.

00:47:48 Speaker 02: If and so there is some

00:47:50 Speaker 02: information with respect to Gray Gables

00:47:52 Speaker 02: analysis in that report. Okay, and

00:47:53 Speaker 02: I see the director nodding her

00:47:54 Speaker 02: head. Okay, all right. Anything further

00:47:56 Speaker 02: then on the items that were

00:47:59 Speaker 02: under? that are under consideration on

00:48:01 Speaker 02: the floor right now. Okay, I'm

00:48:02 Speaker 02: not seeing any further hands go

00:48:03 Speaker 02: up. Therefore, I'll call the vote.

00:48:06 Speaker 02: Then, all those in favour, and

00:48:08 Speaker 02: that motion is carried. Thank you.

00:48:10 Speaker 02: Thank you very much, Director Cornell

00:48:13 Speaker 02: and CEO, and Deputy CEO for

00:48:15 Speaker 02: walking us through this. Although we're

00:48:16 Speaker 02: going to call on you in

00:48:19 Speaker 02: just a moment, we're going to

00:48:21 Speaker 02: do item five D now. It

00:48:23 Speaker 02: was a very long day on

00:48:25 Speaker 02: July 16th, but it was

00:48:28 Speaker 02: also a great opportunity to. to

00:48:32 Speaker 02: be there in person and see

00:48:34 Speaker 02: the progress, and it was it

00:48:36 Speaker 02: was time well spent together. So

00:48:38 Speaker 02: with that, there was a second

00:48:39 Speaker 02: portion in which the long term

00:48:40 Speaker 02: care redevelopment task force also met,

00:48:42 Speaker 02: and so it's recommended that the

00:48:49 Speaker 02: long term care redevelop the long

00:48:50 Speaker 02: term care redevelopment task force minutes

00:48:51 Speaker 25: dated July sixteenth, twenty twenty six,

00:48:54 Speaker 25: be adopted as presented, and that

00:48:56 Speaker 25: the following resolutions contained therein be

00:48:59 Speaker 25: endorsed: that the Rockwood Terrace redevelopment

00:49:01 Speaker 25: update from Collier's project. leaders be

00:49:02 Speaker 25: received for information, and so again

00:49:04 Speaker 21: they were presenting at both of

00:49:06 Speaker 21: both the task force as well

00:49:08 Speaker 21: as the previous committee. Just before

00:49:10 Speaker 21: I look for a mover and

00:49:12 Speaker 21: a seconder, Madam Deputy Clerk, I

00:49:17 Speaker 21: understand there's a correction in the

00:49:19 Speaker 21: minute notes regarding attendance. Thank you,

00:49:21 Speaker 21: Madam Warden. Through you, I will

00:49:23 Speaker 10: note there's a correction in the

00:49:26 Speaker 10: minutes to include Councillor Greg and

00:49:28 Speaker 10: Councillor Hutchinson as not in attendance.

00:49:30 Speaker 10: Thank you. Okay. Thank you. So,

00:49:33 Speaker 10: with that clarification and that correction,

00:49:37 Speaker 10: may I ask for a mover

00:49:40 Speaker 10: and a seconder? Thank you. Moved

00:49:43 Speaker 10: by Councillor Hutchinson, seconded by Councillor

00:49:45 Speaker 10: McKay. So, it's now on the

00:49:48 Speaker 10: floor for discussion. And with that,

00:49:51 Speaker 10: I'll welcome back the Deputy CEO.

00:49:52 Speaker 10: Good morning, once again. This one,

00:49:55 Speaker 10: I suspect, will be slightly quicker.

00:49:57 Speaker 10: So, I will quickly cover some

00:49:59 Speaker 10: of the highlights from the redevelop.

00:50:01 Speaker 10: The redevelopment task force meeting. We

00:50:04 Speaker 10: did meet over lunch with members

00:50:06 Speaker 10: of committee of management and the

00:50:09 Speaker 10: redevelopment task force joining us. Malu

00:50:10 Speaker 10: Blamey, our site contractor, put on

00:50:12 Speaker 10: a barbecue to recognise significant milestones

00:50:14 Speaker 10: in the Rockwood Terrace build. To

00:50:18 Speaker 10: extend their thanks to the the

00:50:20 Speaker 10: multiple trades consultants and sub trades

00:50:22 Speaker 10: that they're working with, and the

00:50:24 Speaker 10: warden was able to offer some

00:50:25 Speaker 10: words of of. To offer some

00:50:27 Speaker 10: words of thanks to members of

00:50:28 Speaker 10: the construction crew who were able

00:50:30 Speaker 10: to join us over over the

00:50:32 Speaker 10: balance of lunchtime, the build has

00:50:35 Speaker 10: passed the fifty fifty percent completion

00:50:37 Speaker 10: mark. Earlier that day, we had

00:50:38 Speaker 10: had the fantastic news that the

00:50:40 Speaker 10: grounding grid, which had proven to

00:50:41 Speaker 10: be a little bit challenging and

00:50:43 Speaker 10: is a major step towards energising

00:50:46 Speaker 10: the building, had passed its ESA

00:50:49 Speaker 10: inspection, and and so so it

00:50:52 Speaker 10: was a good time to pause

00:50:55 Speaker 10: and celebrate. the work that had

00:50:58 Speaker 10: been done, and look ahead to

00:51:01 Speaker 10: the work that is yet to

00:51:03 Speaker 10: come. We did a tour of

00:51:05 Speaker 10: the building, which is beginning to

00:51:08 Speaker 10: look very much like a finished

00:51:09 Speaker 10: building now. And we and we

00:51:11 Speaker 10: saw significant progress since the last

00:51:15 Speaker 10: time members of committee and council

00:51:16 Speaker 10: were able to visit the building.

00:51:17 Speaker 10: So we had a good walk

00:51:18 Speaker 10: around the building, explored the various

00:51:21 Speaker 10: different resident rooms, staffing areas, and

00:51:22 Speaker 10: some of the lounge lounge spaces.

00:51:24 Speaker 10: Colliers provided us a comprehensive construction.

00:51:25 Speaker 10: The comprehensive construction update report detailing

00:51:26 Speaker 10: the advanced completion works of the

00:51:30 Speaker 10: masonry. The windows are 95, 95

00:51:33 Speaker 10: plus percent complete at that point

00:51:34 Speaker 10: in time. Framing and drywall largely

00:51:37 Speaker 10: complete across the entire building. Indeed,

00:51:39 Speaker 10: some priming paint had been done,

00:51:41 Speaker 10: and we got an opportunity to

00:51:43 Speaker 10: walk through the two mocked-up resident

00:51:45 Speaker 10: rooms, which were largely complete in

00:51:49 Speaker 10: terms of in terms of their

00:51:51 Speaker 10: mock-up, so that we can see

00:51:56 Speaker 10: the final finish of the the

00:51:58 Speaker 10: light fitting. Finish of the the

00:52:00 Speaker 10: light fittings, the door fixtures, the

00:52:02 Speaker 10: wall fixtures, and so on and

00:52:04 Speaker 10: so forth. So we were able

00:52:05 Speaker 10: to have a good wander around

00:52:07 Speaker 10: the building and see the various

00:52:10 Speaker 10: progress that has been made. Collier

00:52:13 Speaker 10: has identified that we remain on

00:52:15 Speaker 10: budget. We do have a slight

00:52:17 Speaker 10: pressure of time now on the

00:52:19 Speaker 10: building after a very difficult construction

00:52:23 Speaker 10: season during the winter. But as

00:52:26 Speaker 10: of the last schedule, we remain

00:52:27 Speaker 10: ready to take the building over

00:52:29 Speaker 10: in early 2027. with approximately a

00:52:30 Speaker 10: three to four month warming up

00:52:32 Speaker 10: phase before occupancy in April time

00:52:34 Speaker 10: of next year. And that that

00:52:38 Speaker 10: that period between us assuming the

00:52:40 Speaker 10: building and actually occupying the building

00:52:42 Speaker 10: from a long term care perspective

00:52:43 Speaker 10: is to enable us to get

00:52:45 Speaker 10: all our operational plans in place,

00:52:47 Speaker 10: train staff, onboard new staff, and

00:52:48 Speaker 10: pass the absolutely critical last in

00:52:50 Speaker 10: person ministry inspection. And that ministry

00:52:52 Speaker 10: inspection has to be scheduled. when,

00:52:53 Speaker 10: essentially, the building is fully operational

00:52:55 Speaker 10: from a staffing and a staffing

00:52:56 Speaker 10: and resource capacity perspective, so they

00:52:58 Speaker 10: can inspect it as a fully

00:53:00 Speaker 10: operational long-term care home. The only

00:53:03 Speaker 10: thing that will be missing for

00:53:05 Speaker 10: that inspection will be the residents,

00:53:06 Speaker 10: and then shortly after that, we're

00:53:08 Speaker 10: anticipating in mid-April welcoming residents to

00:53:09 Speaker 10: the long-term care home. The schedule

00:53:10 Speaker 10: continues to be a cross focus

00:53:13 Speaker 10: as we go forward of both

00:53:14 Speaker 10: the Colliers team, indeed. the Great

00:53:16 Speaker 10: County team, and the Millwall Blamey

00:53:18 Speaker 10: team, meeting on a very regular

00:53:20 Speaker 10: basis to make sure that as

00:53:21 Speaker 10: we advance that work, we're

00:53:24 Speaker 10: keeping eyes on the finishes that

00:53:27 Speaker 10: are going in. And a key

00:53:29 Speaker 10: piece that's being moved forward at

00:53:31 Speaker 10: the minute is the landscaping work.

00:53:33 Speaker 10: The site is extensive; two new

00:53:34 Speaker 10: municipal streets need to be created,

00:53:37 Speaker 10: several parking areas, a stormwater management

00:53:38 Speaker 10: pond needs to be landscaped, as

00:53:39 Speaker 10: well as the other landscaping. And

00:53:40 Speaker 10: we were able to see the

00:53:42 Speaker 10: significant work that's already been done

00:53:44 Speaker 10: in the central courtyard area. The

00:53:45 Speaker 10: central courtyard for members that were

00:53:49 Speaker 10: able to join us is is

00:53:52 Speaker 26: one of the highlights of this

00:53:56 Speaker 26: building. It really does create an

00:53:58 Speaker 26: incredibly nice space in the centre

00:54:00 Speaker 26: of the building with both recreation

00:54:03 Speaker 26: lounges overlooking the space and accessible

00:54:05 Speaker 26: pathways throughout that entire area. So

00:54:07 Speaker 26: a real a real joy to

00:54:09 Speaker 26: to see that work coming on.

00:54:10 Speaker 26: So it was a it was

00:54:11 Speaker 26: a it was a good news

00:54:13 Speaker 26: story after after a good lunch

00:54:15 Speaker 26: where we were able to

00:54:21 Speaker 26: celebrate the hard work of the

00:54:24 Speaker 26: hundreds of staff that have been

00:54:26 Speaker 26: working on the. site to make

00:54:28 Speaker 26: it come to fruition, and I'll

00:54:29 Speaker 26: be happy to take questions. Okay,

00:54:31 Speaker 26: thank you. So, any questions on

00:54:33 Speaker 26: this report, this report, these minutes?

00:54:35 Speaker 26: Okay, all right then. I'm not

00:54:37 Speaker 26: seeing any questions. So, all those

00:54:40 Speaker 26: in favour, and that motion

00:54:42 Speaker 26: is carried. Thank you. We do

00:54:45 Speaker 26: not have any closed session matters

00:54:47 Speaker 26: to deal with on our council

00:54:49 Speaker 26: agenda this morning, nor reports that

00:54:54 Speaker 26: allows us to go to the.

00:54:57 Speaker 26: bylaws. We do have a number

00:54:59 Speaker 26: of them. That there are actually

00:55:02 Speaker 26: six bylaws. So it is recommended

00:55:04 Speaker 26: that bylaws 5296262530126 be inclusive, be

00:55:08 Speaker 26: introduced and taken at as read

00:55:10 Speaker 26: a first, second, and third time.

00:55:13 Speaker 26: Finally, passed, signed by the warden

00:55:14 Speaker 26: and the clerk, sealed with the

00:55:16 Speaker 26: seal of the corporation, and engrossed

00:55:18 Speaker 26: into the bylaw book. First one

00:55:19 Speaker 26: is 529626, which is a bylaw

00:55:21 Speaker 26: to authorise the submission of an

00:55:24 Speaker 26: application. of to Ontario Infrastructure and

00:55:26 Speaker 26: Lands Corporation for financing of certain

00:55:28 Speaker 26: capital works and to authorise long-term

00:55:30 Speaker 26: borrowing for such capital works through

00:55:32 Speaker 26: the issue of debentures to OILC.

00:55:34 Speaker 26: Next one is 529726, a bylaw

00:55:36 Speaker 26: to authorise the granting of an

00:55:39 Speaker 26: easement and to authorise a donation

00:55:41 Speaker 26: agreement to convey lands forming part

00:55:43 Speaker 26: of the CP Rail Trail, the

00:55:45 Speaker 26: Eco Parkway. Number three is bylaw

00:55:47 Speaker 26: fifty two ninety eight twenty six,

00:55:49 Speaker 26: a bylaw to authorise the warden

00:55:51 Speaker 26: and clerk to execute an amendment

00:55:57 Speaker 26: to the memorandum of understanding between

00:56:01 Speaker 26: the County of Grey and the

00:56:04 Speaker 26: City of Owen Sound and the

00:56:06 Speaker 26: Rural Ontario Medical Programme. And I,

00:56:09 Speaker 27: the fourth item is fifty two

00:56:12 Speaker 27: ninety nine twenty six, a bylaw

00:56:14 Speaker 27: to provide for the removal of

00:56:17 Speaker 27: the nuisance beaver of nuisance beaver

00:56:18 Speaker 27: and fifty three zero zero twenty

00:56:21 Speaker 28: six, a bylaw to provide the

00:56:24 Speaker 28: for the To provide for the

00:56:25 Speaker 28: control of coyotes and or wolves,

00:56:27 Speaker 28: and fifty three oh one twenty

00:56:31 Speaker 28: six bylaw to confirm all actions

00:56:36 Speaker 28: and proceedings of council. May I

00:56:38 Speaker 28: ask for a mover and a

00:56:40 Speaker 28: seconder? Moved by Councillor Gregg, seconded

00:56:42 Speaker 28: by Councillor Patterson. It's now on

00:56:45 Speaker 28: the floor for any discussion. Councillor

00:56:49 Speaker 28: Eccles. Thank you. Bylaw, it's one

00:56:55 Speaker 29: to do with Southgate and CP

00:57:01 Speaker 29: Rail lands. In our committee as

00:57:03 Speaker 29: a whole, we have another report

00:57:05 Speaker 29: that there's more land. Is when

00:57:06 Speaker 02: we combine them together, or is

00:57:07 Speaker 02: it's going to be a monthly

00:57:09 Speaker 02: thing? There that there'll be an

00:57:10 Speaker 02: exchange of CP rail land in

00:57:12 Speaker 02: Dundalk for Southgate, or is there

00:57:15 Speaker 02: a bit of a bulk buying

00:57:16 Speaker 02: here so that we don't

00:57:19 Speaker 02: need a bylaw every week or

00:57:20 Speaker 02: month to transfer land? just it's

00:57:22 Speaker 02: curious that yeah we're doing a

00:57:26 Speaker 02: bylaw to transfer lands and then

00:57:28 Speaker 02: we're going to talk about another

00:57:29 Speaker 02: bylaw to transfer another little bit

00:57:30 Speaker 02: of land. Wow, I guess that's

00:57:33 Speaker 02: government duplicity, isn't it? Okay, well

00:57:34 Speaker 30: they usually cut me off. Thank

00:57:35 Speaker 30: you. or a matter of looking

00:57:38 Speaker 30: after details and making sure that

00:57:40 Speaker 30: we're dotting all of our eyes

00:57:42 Speaker 30: and crossing all of our t's.

00:57:44 Speaker 30: So I do know that Director

00:57:47 Speaker 30: Taylor would like to speak, but

00:57:49 Speaker 30: perhaps okay. So we're going to

00:57:50 Speaker 30: begin with with the content answer,

00:57:54 Speaker 30: and then I'll look to the

00:57:56 Speaker 30: clerk for any procedural clarification. Director

00:57:58 Speaker 30: Taylor, good morning. Early, good morning

00:58:00 Speaker 30: to you, because we're not we're

00:58:02 Speaker 30: not just before lunch. Thank you,

00:58:04 Speaker 30: thank you, Madam Warden, and good

00:58:06 Speaker 30: morning to you and members of

00:58:08 Speaker 30: County Council and those tuning in.

00:58:09 Speaker 30: thank you for the the comments,

00:58:10 Speaker 30: Councillor Eccles. This one is a

00:58:12 Speaker 30: little confusing because we have had

00:58:15 Speaker 30: a bunch of changes in Southgate.

00:58:16 Speaker 30: Council may recall that there was

00:58:18 Speaker 30: a report back in February that

00:58:20 Speaker 30: looked at four crossings of the

00:58:22 Speaker 30: CP Rail Trail: two up up

00:58:23 Speaker 30: in in sort of the north

00:58:25 Speaker 30: end of Dundalk, close to the

00:58:27 Speaker 30: new school site, and and two

00:58:28 Speaker 30: along the the proposed Eco Parkway

00:58:30 Speaker 30: road expansion. In that regard, the

00:58:32 Speaker 30: report that came to committee the

00:58:36 Speaker 30: whole. three weeks ago was essentially

00:58:39 Speaker 30: to add on to those two

00:58:41 Speaker 30: southerly crossings and also include a

00:58:46 Speaker 30: water main easement. So that's what's

00:58:49 Speaker 30: before you today on the council

00:58:50 Speaker 30: agenda. But you're quite right; there

00:58:52 Speaker 26: is a separate report on the

00:58:56 Speaker 26: committee the whole agenda later today

00:58:58 Speaker 26: dealing with a potential land swap,

00:58:59 Speaker 26: if we can call it that,

00:59:01 Speaker 26: in in sort of the the

00:59:04 Speaker 26: heart of Dundalk, with respect to

00:59:05 Speaker 07: some lands potentially going from the

00:59:09 Speaker 07: county to the the township and

00:59:12 Speaker 07: vice versa. So it is just