Owen-sound-police Police-board Meeting Transcript — January 28, 2026

00:03:05 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Morning, Hank.

00:03:06 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Good morning, Chair.

00:03:12 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: How are things in Snowy Stratford or St. Thomas?

00:03:16 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: They're actually beautiful today.

00:03:17 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's the first day that the sun's out.

00:03:19 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's shining.

00:03:19 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: It's nice right now.

00:03:21 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Oh, sure.

00:03:22 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: You're making that up, aren't you?

00:03:23 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: No. Well, thank you for joining us.

00:03:32 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: Thanks for having me.

00:03:35 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: All right.

00:03:36 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: This will call it a meeting's quarter, and I'd like to respectfully acknowledge that we are meeting on the traditional lands of the First Nations that has been inhabited by Indigenous peoples from the beginning.

00:03:45 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: In particular, acknowledge the history, knowledge of history, spirituality, and culture of the territory of the Anishinabe Nation, people of the Three Fires, known as Ojibwe, Dawa, and Potawatomi Nation,

00:03:57 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: and further give thanks to the Chippewas of Saugeen, the Chippewas of Nawash, known collectively as the Saugeen Ojibwe Nation, as the traditional keepers of this land.

00:04:07 SPEAKER_UNKNOWN: We recognize and deeply appreciate their historic connection to this area, as well as the Kainai, Inuit, and other Indigenous people who, as ancestors, share these lands and waters.

00:04:18 SPEAKER_003: May we live with respect for each other on this land, and live in peace and friendship with all its diverse peoples.

00:04:23 SPEAKER_003: Make wish.

00:04:25 SPEAKER_003: At this time, I'd like to turn the meeting over to Halo to conduct the annual election of a chair for 2026.

00:04:34 SPEAKER_003: Thank you.

00:04:35 SPEAKER_003: Under Section 36, Item 1 of the Community and Safety Policing Act, 1999, members of a police service board shall elect a chair at the board's first meeting in each year.

00:04:44 SPEAKER_003: At this time, I would like to call for nominations for chair from the floor.

00:04:49 SPEAKER_003: Mitch Johnson.

00:04:53 SPEAKER_003: John Thompson, will you accept this nomination?

00:04:55 SPEAKER_003: Yes, I will.

00:04:56 SPEAKER_003: Are there any additional nominations for chair on the floor?

00:05:02 SPEAKER_004: Hearing none, I declare that nominations be closed and that John Thompson will be the board chair for 2026.

00:05:08 SPEAKER_004: Thank you, guys.

00:05:12 SPEAKER_004: Under Section 36, Item 2 of the Community and Safety Policing Act, 1999.

00:05:17 SPEAKER_004: Members of the Police Service Board may also elect a vice chair at the first meeting in each year,

00:05:23 SPEAKER_004: and the vice chair shall act as chair if the chair is absent or if the chair's position is vacant.

00:05:29 SPEAKER_004: In past years, members have elected not to elect a vice chair, but given the recent changes to the Act, it is recommended that a vice chair be elected.

00:05:37 SPEAKER_004: At this time, I would like to call for nominations for vice chair from the floor.

00:05:41 SPEAKER_004: I'll nominate Marion Chaffee.

00:05:42 SPEAKER_004: Nominate Marion Keppe.

00:05:45 SPEAKER_004: Oh, good!

00:05:46 SPEAKER_004: I don't have that much work to do this year.

00:05:49 SPEAKER_004: Marion Keppe, will you accept the nomination?

00:05:55 SPEAKER_004: All right.

00:05:56 SPEAKER_004: Thumbs up, Sean.

00:06:00 SPEAKER_004: Are there any additional nominations for vice chair from the floor?

00:06:08 SPEAKER_004: Hearing none, I declare the nominations for vice chair to be closed, and Mary Hefty will be board vice chair for 2026.

00:06:15 SPEAKER_004: Congratulations!

00:06:19 SPEAKER_004: At this point, I'm going to turn the meeting back over to Chair Tom.

00:06:22 SPEAKER_004: New winger.

00:06:26 SPEAKER_004: Sounds like a setup.

00:06:29 SPEAKER_004: I just had my mouth open to nominate you.

00:06:32 SPEAKER_004: All right, moving on to item number four: approval of the agenda.

00:06:37 SPEAKER_004: And I'd like to have items before motion.

00:06:39 SPEAKER_004: Call for motion.

00:06:40 SPEAKER_004: I'd like to add a report on building facilities, and maybe this could come right after item 15, report from the HR manager.

00:06:49 SPEAKER_004: And Kayla, could you make a note of the item on future agendas, a standing item just under reports, so we can make sure nothing gets lost or falls through the cracks on building and facilities.

00:07:03 SPEAKER_008: And secondly, other items and business.

00:07:06 SPEAKER_008: I'd like to add an 18G for a report on police race and identity-based data.

00:07:13 SPEAKER_008: Is there anyone else that has anything to add to the agenda?

00:07:16 SPEAKER_008: Oh, sorry, it's a report on police race and identity-based data.

00:07:21 SPEAKER_008: Okay.

00:07:22 SPEAKER_008: The report was included in your package.

00:07:24 SPEAKER_008: It just wasn't showing on the agenda.

00:07:26 SPEAKER_008: That's all.

00:07:28 SPEAKER_008: I have one additional item asking for a policy review on board expenses.

00:07:43 SPEAKER_008: Any other additions to the agenda?

00:07:47 SPEAKER_008: Hearing none, I can have someone make a motion to the agenda as amended.

00:07:54 SPEAKER_008: Very, thank you.

00:07:57 SPEAKER_008: All in favour?

00:08:00 SPEAKER_008: Any declaration or conflict of interest arising out of the minutes and matters listed on the agenda?

00:08:06 SPEAKER_008: And presentations and deputations.

00:08:09 SPEAKER_008: We have Mike yet.

00:08:13 SPEAKER_008: It's Mike.

00:08:14 SPEAKER_008: He's chasing away in training.

00:08:16 SPEAKER_008: Okay, we're not ignoring promotion.

00:08:19 SPEAKER_008: He's never around.

00:08:22 SPEAKER_008: All right.

00:08:24 SPEAKER_008: Second item is the Citizens on Patrol programme recognition.

00:08:29 SPEAKER_008: So they should be out in the lobby.

00:08:30 SPEAKER_008: I'll go get them shortly.

00:08:31 SPEAKER_008: Do you want just a brief reminder on the programme because it's been, I think since fall that we looked at that?

00:08:38 SPEAKER_008: So the Citizens on Patrol programme—we weren't even able to determine when it actually started; it was back in the weeks sometime.

00:08:47 SPEAKER_008: So current person that's running it, one of the early adopters that had been running before he got there, but essentially the programme ran for many years, twenty-plus years here.

00:08:58 SPEAKER_011: If you recall from the board reports, we had to take a look at the programme just because of a lot of the changes that have happened in policing.

00:09:05 SPEAKER_011: So, in order to keep that programme running, we'd have to look at a whole bunch of different things, including bias-free policing training, a bunch of training for the members to be able to do that.

00:09:16 SPEAKER_011: There were some concerns that were raised over insurance and some different things, potential WSIB coverage.

00:09:23 SPEAKER_011: Should any of them let's involve, be injured and that sort of thing.

00:09:26 SPEAKER_011: So we had to look around.

00:09:28 SPEAKER_011: A lot of these programmes have been shut down.

00:09:30 SPEAKER_011: There's only one or two that are still operating, but they're operating in larger centres where they're providing vehicles, they're providing uniforms for them, and things like that that just weren't practical for us.

00:09:39 SPEAKER_011: So we made the decision to go to the membership and talk to them about because they've been sponsored for the last number of years by the River District.

00:09:50 SPEAKER_011: That we looked at seeing whether they want to become an entity of the River District, and they chose not to, and they just folded the unit at that point.

00:09:57 SPEAKER_011: So I attended a sort of a wrap-up meeting with them somewhere in mid-December, and what we've done is invited them to all come to the board meeting today and be recognized for.

00:10:10 SPEAKER_011: As for weather, all seven of them are planning to be here, so I will see who's there.

00:10:15 SPEAKER_011: But yes, it's been an engagement for quite a number of years.

00:10:18 SPEAKER_011: So, is it possible for us to get the names of all seven, whether they're that's included in?

00:10:25 SPEAKER_011: Going to be in the news, even if they're not here.

00:10:27 SPEAKER_011: Yeah, but so we.

00:10:28 SPEAKER_011: Here, yeah.

00:10:28 SPEAKER_011: So we record that.

00:10:30 SPEAKER_011: Thank you.

00:10:30 SPEAKER_011: Sure.

00:10:32 SPEAKER_011: Will we have a few minutes after to just kind of chat with them, or we can if you wish.

00:10:38 SPEAKER_011: Presentation and out the door.

00:10:41 SPEAKER_011: That's that was a plan, but yeah.

00:10:45 SPEAKER_011: Yeah, do you want party girl?

00:10:48 SPEAKER_011: Yeah.

00:10:49 SPEAKER_011: Stay for a call.

00:10:52 SPEAKER_011: Refreshments been good.

00:10:56 SPEAKER_011: Do a quick muffin run, people.

00:11:02 SPEAKER_011: Jimmy says we could pick them up and wait by.

00:11:17 SPEAKER_011: We could do a fun, funny thing for recipe swaps for muffins.

00:11:26 SPEAKER_011: That one won't.

00:11:27 SPEAKER_011: Yeah, we did an Old Town Police cookbook a while ago, and we had it all bound up, and people could buy them for five bucks.

00:11:34 SPEAKER_011: Never did that.

00:11:35 SPEAKER_011: There you go.

00:11:35 SPEAKER_011: This is pretty cheap.

00:11:37 SPEAKER_011: Yep.

00:11:38 SPEAKER_011: Inflation.

00:11:39 SPEAKER_011: Yeah.

00:11:41 SPEAKER_011: There you go.

00:11:42 SPEAKER_011: But we did.

00:11:44 SPEAKER_011: It went over well.

00:11:45 SPEAKER_011: I was going to say that probably would.

00:11:47 SPEAKER_011: Yeah.

00:11:48 SPEAKER_011: That in the police calendar.

00:11:49 SPEAKER_011: Okay, I'll behave.

00:11:53 SPEAKER_011: I need coffee.

00:11:54 SPEAKER_011: It sounds like you've had enough coffee.

00:12:05 SPEAKER_011: How are you, Rob?

00:12:14 SPEAKER_011: I'm good.

00:12:16 SPEAKER_011: Hey, guys.

00:12:28 SPEAKER_011: All down so you can all get in.

00:12:30 SPEAKER_011: I'll be doing it.

00:12:31 SPEAKER_011: Thanks.

00:12:31 SPEAKER_011: Need a bigger room.

00:12:34 SPEAKER_011: Yeah, exactly.

00:12:34 SPEAKER_011: Wow.

00:12:35 SPEAKER_011: Yeah, very good.

00:12:37 SPEAKER_011: Well, thank you everyone for coming.

00:12:42 SPEAKER_011: Appreciate it.

00:12:43 SPEAKER_011: Stormy, snowy day.

00:12:46 SPEAKER_011: As you know, we're here to recognize your contributions to the ensemble.

00:12:49 SPEAKER_008: Your contributions to the Owen Sound Police Service—the last Dave said twenty—I read some places with thirty years for Citizens on Patrol—and I think you've performed a valuable service over the years.

00:13:01 SPEAKER_008: And I think, based on some of the issues that have come up recently, changes in the People of Community Policing Act, and looking around some of the other areas,

00:13:11 SPEAKER_008: we have—I think there was a collective decision made at one of the meetings back in November—that probably now is the time to retire the unit, as it were,

00:13:21 SPEAKER_008: but we didn't want to just have it go away.

00:13:24 SPEAKER_008: We wanted to recognize those people who contributed the most to it.

00:13:27 SPEAKER_008: So, with that being said, great to you.

00:13:33 SPEAKER_008: Now, now you got me.

00:13:33 SPEAKER_008: I'm Brian.

00:13:33 SPEAKER_008: Brian Woods.

00:13:34 SPEAKER_008: He's right.

00:13:40 SPEAKER_008: And Rick, we're still here.

00:13:46 SPEAKER_008: I earned it.

00:13:51 SPEAKER_008: Okay, sure.

00:13:52 SPEAKER_008: Dan Rouse, sorry, Rouse.

00:13:57 SPEAKER_008: Judge Layzer, yeah.

00:14:01 SPEAKER_008: Dan, John Giroux, general, general, general.

00:14:07 SPEAKER_008: Thank you, sir.

00:14:13 SPEAKER_008: And Robin Klein.

00:14:13 SPEAKER_008: Thank you, Rob.

00:14:15 SPEAKER_008: Thank you, Rod.

00:14:19 SPEAKER_008: Jeff, correct.

00:14:25 SPEAKER_008: Paul Peters, the coordinator.

00:14:27 SPEAKER_008: Oh, not least.

00:14:29 SPEAKER_008: Thank you.

00:14:30 SPEAKER_008: Thank you very much.

00:14:37 SPEAKER_008: Maybe you've written a lot of years of service.

00:14:41 SPEAKER_008: Maybe we can just go through and everybody can say how long if they don't exactly.

00:14:44 SPEAKER_008: If they know exactly how they're doing it, just for the board members.

00:14:48 SPEAKER_008: Yes, my boss.

00:14:49 SPEAKER_008: Right.

00:14:49 SPEAKER_008: I guess I started in '93 as a COP and moved to the auxiliary unit.

00:14:57 SPEAKER_008: As a staff sergeant for a number of years, then back to the COP.

00:15:04 SPEAKER_008: Neighbourhood of thirty-two and a half years.

00:15:15 SPEAKER_008: 18 when you started.

00:15:17 SPEAKER_008: Yeah.

00:15:21 SPEAKER_008: Looking forward to the pension.

00:15:22 SPEAKER_008: I bet.

00:15:23 SPEAKER_008: I hear next year we're going to double it.

00:15:26 SPEAKER_008: I've been there since 2003.

00:15:29 SPEAKER_008: I've been there probably ten years.

00:15:35 SPEAKER_008: I don't know.

00:15:36 SPEAKER_008: I was nine, ten, probably ten years.

00:15:38 SPEAKER_008: I was also auxiliary and special constable.

00:15:41 SPEAKER_008: Specialized.

00:15:44 SPEAKER_008: I've been working approximately ten years.

00:15:48 SPEAKER_008: The hours went in.

00:15:49 SPEAKER_008: I think thirty years.

00:15:50 SPEAKER_008: I was going to say ten, but these guys were here before me, so I don't know.

00:15:57 SPEAKER_008: Time flies.

00:15:58 SPEAKER_008: This guy's been ninety.

00:16:04 SPEAKER_008: We came on when Tom McKay and Rob Mepstead were ahead of our group.

00:16:09 SPEAKER_008: Part of our group.

00:16:10 SPEAKER_008: Yeah.

00:16:13 SPEAKER_008: Thank you, years.

00:16:15 SPEAKER_008: Thank you, brother.

00:16:16 SPEAKER_008: Yeah.

00:16:17 SPEAKER_008: I wanna say thank you.

00:16:19 SPEAKER_008: Yeah.

00:16:20 SPEAKER_008: Thank you so much.

00:16:21 SPEAKER_008: Thank you.

00:16:22 SPEAKER_008: A lot of time, a lot of hours.

00:16:23 SPEAKER_008: Thank you very much.

00:16:24 SPEAKER_008: Yeah.

00:16:24 SPEAKER_008: Yeah.

00:16:24 SPEAKER_008: Thank you.

00:16:25 SPEAKER_008: So, what are you doing?

00:16:30 SPEAKER_008: Thank you.

00:16:37 SPEAKER_008: See you.

00:16:38 SPEAKER_008: Thank you.

00:16:38 SPEAKER_008: Do you?

00:16:41 SPEAKER_008: Don't realize what people do after hours.

00:16:44 SPEAKER_008: Thanks, Jerry.

00:16:45 SPEAKER_008: See you on golf.

00:16:46 SPEAKER_008: What are you going to do after on golf?

00:16:51 SPEAKER_008: No. Ah, that's really wild.

00:16:53 SPEAKER_008: Really, just too soft.

00:17:05 SPEAKER_008: That's really very nice.

00:17:07 SPEAKER_008: Taking time out of your day to come, Mr. Thank you.

00:17:10 SPEAKER_008: Thank you.

00:17:10 SPEAKER_008: Well, yeah, thank you.

00:17:13 SPEAKER_008: Thank you.

00:17:14 SPEAKER_008: Yeah, no, sure.

00:17:18 SPEAKER_008: We can maybe move over the classroom.

00:17:20 SPEAKER_008: We'll just take a quick group photo over there by the backdrop.

00:17:23 SPEAKER_008: All right.

00:17:25 SPEAKER_008: Thank you.

00:17:25 SPEAKER_008: Thank you.

00:17:26 SPEAKER_008: Thank you.

00:17:36 SPEAKER_008: Wow!

00:17:37 SPEAKER_008: Wow!

00:17:37 SPEAKER_008: Sure, sure.

00:17:38 SPEAKER_008: Oh wait, give it up.

00:17:45 SPEAKER_008: Absolutely.

00:17:50 SPEAKER_008: Yeah.

00:18:31 SPEAKER_008: Okay.

00:20:35 SPEAKER_008: That's pretty cool.

00:20:43 SPEAKER_008: I tend to like to sleep at night.

00:20:45 SPEAKER_008: It's important to sleep.

00:20:50 SPEAKER_008: It's a thing I do every day.

00:20:54 SPEAKER_008: Yeah.

00:20:54 SPEAKER_008: Thank you.

00:20:55 SPEAKER_008: Be wondering where the hell everybody went.

00:21:04 SPEAKER_008: Oh, he's listening.

00:21:11 SPEAKER_008: Yeah, I am here, sir.

00:21:12 SPEAKER_008: Thank you very much.

00:21:14 SPEAKER_008: I am listening.

00:21:24 SPEAKER_008: People that I didn't realize sit on the bus.

00:21:27 SPEAKER_008: Yeah, same.

00:21:29 SPEAKER_008: I didn't like used to do that.

00:21:30 SPEAKER_008: That's a lot.

00:21:32 SPEAKER_008: In the eighties.

00:21:44 SPEAKER_008: Nice.

00:21:47 SPEAKER_026: Yeah.

00:21:48 SPEAKER_026: Age of myself, but he used to drive our bus when I coached the attack.

00:21:52 SPEAKER_026: Really?

00:21:52 SPEAKER_026: Way back.

00:21:59 SPEAKER_026: That was before Wood Funeral.

00:22:03 SPEAKER_026: Really?

00:22:05 SPEAKER_026: He just farm, didn't he?

00:22:07 SPEAKER_026: He just farming then, didn't he?

00:22:09 SPEAKER_026: Well, he was working at like filling in at funeral homes.

00:22:13 SPEAKER_026: Yeah.

00:22:14 SPEAKER_026: Anyway, that was a big success.

00:22:16 SPEAKER_026: He was really ticked that he didn't do it thirty years before that.

00:22:19 SPEAKER_026: Yeah.

00:22:20 SPEAKER_026: Waiting for Craig.

00:22:29 SPEAKER_026: Well, that was yeah, was nice.

00:22:35 SPEAKER_026: Right.

00:22:38 SPEAKER_008: The confirmation of the minutes of the public session held December sixteenth, and there was just one note on the minutes regarding the remediation of the mold, and I think Craig,

00:22:48 SPEAKER_008: you mentioned that there were areas that were identified to be fixed, but there were some other areas.

00:22:52 SPEAKER_008: No, none of the remediation hasn't taken place.

00:22:56 SPEAKER_008: Ah, much as I guess remediation means that you're supposed to fix it, that definition should have been done when it was identified.

00:23:06 SPEAKER_008: Hasn't nothing been done?

00:23:07 SPEAKER_008: That it's now that September over.

00:23:10 SPEAKER_008: December.

00:23:10 SPEAKER_008: Well, yeah, it was October.

00:23:11 SPEAKER_008: Yeah, it was in November, December.

00:23:13 SPEAKER_008: And then I just happened to notice that it had been remediated, but arrangements for...

00:23:17 SPEAKER_008: But arrangements were made, but apparently, they were not made.

00:23:22 SPEAKER_008: It remains outstanding, despite the fact that it obviously is a concern, rather than being recommended to be remediated.

00:23:30 SPEAKER_008: I just am curious.

00:23:32 SPEAKER_008: A lot of these things maybe are falling off now that Brady's not there.

00:23:36 SPEAKER_008: Brady still.

00:23:36 SPEAKER_008: Brady, yes, he's still there.

00:23:38 SPEAKER_008: Well, leaving.

00:23:40 SPEAKER_008: Well, this has been September ninth.

00:23:42 SPEAKER_008: What's the date?

00:23:43 SPEAKER_008: The mold.

00:23:44 SPEAKER_008: This would be much longer.

00:23:45 SPEAKER_008: That's fine.

00:23:46 SPEAKER_008: Also, it's not going to get better.

00:23:48 SPEAKER_008: No, not sure how it can get worse, but it's not going to get better.

00:23:53 SPEAKER_008: That's why we've added it as a standing item on the agendas going forward, so we don't nothing falls through the cracks on that.

00:23:59 SPEAKER_008: Bill, I guess it's connected with that, but in the short term, recognizing it's important to get that remediation initiated, and we're heading into a budget year.

00:24:10 SPEAKER_008: I'm wondering, does the board send an email or a note indicating requesting a status update and anticipated time for remediation?

00:24:21 SPEAKER_008: I think we would probably assign that to Tony.

00:24:24 SPEAKER_008: Yeah, I can provide an update.

00:24:25 SPEAKER_008: I spoke with Brady this past week, so the vendor that was involved in remediation, Belfort, provided an estimate that had a very high price to it,

00:24:37 SPEAKER_008: and so they decided to source it from a couple other vendors that do remediation, so they were expecting this.

00:24:42 SPEAKER_008: So they're expecting this week to have an updated quote, and from there they're going to plan to do the remediation.

00:24:48 SPEAKER_008: With the remediation, there's a lot of tiles you can see have got some staining in them.

00:24:52 SPEAKER_008: So once that remediation is complete, that facility is expected to replace all the ceiling tiles, so they're consistent throughout the building.

00:25:02 SPEAKER_008: So I also spoke to Brady about a long list of things and various certain updates.

00:25:07 SPEAKER_008: But now, if they fix them all, well.

00:25:11 SPEAKER_008: Will that fix the cause?

00:25:14 SPEAKER_008: So the cause has got to do with the ventilation system, the HVAC system.

00:25:18 SPEAKER_008: So they're going to recommission that this year.

00:25:20 SPEAKER_008: It's got to do with air pressure coming in and out of the building, especially in the summer months, creating condensation that forms on the pipes and then drips down onto the ceiling tiles.

00:25:32 SPEAKER_008: So that's that's going to be in the works this year.

00:25:36 SPEAKER_008: So then there's a long list of other things, but I don't know if now's the time to give a full update on that, or we'll do that if they...

00:25:44 SPEAKER_008: Important.

00:25:44 SPEAKER_008: Yeah, complete.

00:25:45 SPEAKER_008: There are lots of things that have been scheduled, but have never been completed.

00:25:52 SPEAKER_008: Yeah, that's my only concern, and that's why we want to address it, keep it on the agenda, on the monthly agenda.

00:25:59 SPEAKER_008: Because, just as an example, when I arrived in 2019, the freight port was a major issue, and it was urgent needed to be done, and there was a recommendation that the building be clad steel,

00:26:13 SPEAKER_029: and that was budgeted a number of years, and still has yet nothing has yet to transpire, and that's six years late.

00:26:20 SPEAKER_029: Well, coming on seven years later now, it's been scheduled, it's been budgeted, it's been picked around, picked down the street.

00:26:29 SPEAKER_029: Just much like many other things, it's planned, but it doesn't come to fruition.

00:26:32 SPEAKER_029: All right, just one question.

00:26:35 SPEAKER_029: I just have one question: Is health and safety kept up to date on everything that's going on in that?

00:26:43 SPEAKER_029: Yeah.

00:26:43 SPEAKER_029: Yes.

00:26:44 SPEAKER_029: So they're involved.

00:26:46 SPEAKER_029: Yes, they are.

00:26:47 SPEAKER_029: I would suggest that there's a good relationship between the association and the police service.

00:26:52 SPEAKER_029: Otherwise, you'd find yourself in a much better position, of course.

00:27:01 SPEAKER_029: All right.

00:27:01 SPEAKER_029: So with those changes to the minutes, but I have some.

00:27:05 SPEAKER_029: Could I have someone move to accept, Gary?

00:27:11 SPEAKER_029: Seconder, Carol.

00:27:12 SPEAKER_029: All in favour?

00:27:14 SPEAKER_029: Gary.

00:27:16 SPEAKER_029: Any business arising out of the public session minutes?

00:27:19 SPEAKER_029: The mold issue.

00:27:22 SPEAKER_008: Right.

00:27:22 SPEAKER_008: Moving on to item number nine, correspondence received.

00:27:25 SPEAKER_008: Don, there's in your package.

00:27:26 SPEAKER_008: You would have seen a letter from Crime Stoppers of Great Bruce.

00:27:29 SPEAKER_008: There's the December twenty-five board members programme report.

00:27:32 SPEAKER_008: All.

00:27:34 SPEAKER_008: Also, there was the letter from the Solicitor General's Office regarding the budget, and basically that talk was from Michael Kirsner and Robert Plack, providing information on the powers of municipalities, mayors, and police service boards,

00:27:50 SPEAKER_008: and establishing a police service board budget, particularly in municipalities with strong mayor powers.

00:28:01 SPEAKER_008: The other item is basically a letter out that actually was Deputy Chief Bishop that penned that letter and wrote out to the Minister of Finance regarding the pre-budget consultations submissions that we're having,

00:28:17 SPEAKER_008: and we also signed that and was sent out prior to January prior to the deadline.

00:28:26 SPEAKER_008: I can't remember what it was, but it's maybe just a little background on that letter.

00:28:31 SPEAKER_008: On January eighth, the Police Services Board and the Dales of Ontario were provided with an opportunity to contribute insights into shaping efforts to address pressing challenges such as public safety, firefighting, corrections, animal welfare,

00:28:44 SPEAKER_008: human trafficking, domestic violence, auto theft, and justice bail reform.

00:28:50 SPEAKER_008: Our submission, as you probably know, is focused on rising costs, providing policing, and the challenge of being based by small and mid-sized services in Ontario,

00:29:01 SPEAKER_008: and the impact of the seventy-seven million dollars in funding that was only provided to certain municipalities, and a request to the minister to implement a long-term equitable funding model for all services across the province.

00:29:18 SPEAKER_008: Any questions on any of that letter or anything else?

00:29:20 SPEAKER_008: It did go out.

00:29:21 SPEAKER_008: I know any just send it in.

00:29:26 SPEAKER_008: If I can comment, the city was looking for a copy of that letter.

00:29:33 SPEAKER_008: Initial that would go to the board first before they could.

00:29:36 SPEAKER_008: The board would be provided to them.

00:29:38 SPEAKER_008: I guess I guess they didn't know about the submissions,

00:29:42 SPEAKER_008: but I got a last minute scrambled email asking for asking me to work on it in the evening to provide some input on their submission that had to be completed the next day or the

00:29:56 SPEAKER_029: yes by the next day.

00:29:57 SPEAKER_029: And then advised that we'd already put some time and effort into ours and submitted.

00:30:02 SPEAKER_029: They asked for a copy, and I told them that, of course, through the police service board.

00:30:09 SPEAKER_029: Yes, through your chair.

00:30:13 SPEAKER_032: How does the feedback communication loop happen when the board and police services sends a letter like this?

00:30:19 SPEAKER_032: A, do you expect ever to get an answer, and or is there even just the standard acknowledgement?

00:30:27 SPEAKER_032: The letter has been received, and thank you for your input.

00:30:30 SPEAKER_032: I expect the latter.

00:30:31 SPEAKER_032: Okay, but but it's it's part of the process that you would expect that they would acknowledge receipt of that receipt,

00:30:38 SPEAKER_032: and then we'd wait to see what was contained in the budget to see if any of the items in our letter had been addressed.

00:30:45 SPEAKER_032: Thank you.

00:30:50 SPEAKER_008: All right.

00:30:50 SPEAKER_008: Hey, moving on.

00:30:52 SPEAKER_008: Item number ten.

00:30:52 SPEAKER_008: Chair's report.

00:30:52 SPEAKER_008: I remember ten chair's report on December 30th.

00:30:55 SPEAKER_008: I attended a swearing-in and appointment ceremony for three new grads from OPC.

00:31:01 SPEAKER_008: And on January 16th, Chief Ambrose presented the budget to council, as you all know.

00:31:07 SPEAKER_008: And more detailed discussion around the budget comes up later under new business, and we can talk more about it at that point in time.

00:31:15 SPEAKER_008: Under governance, I don't have anything under governance at this time.

00:31:18 SPEAKER_008: Hank, do you have anything for governance?

00:31:22 SPEAKER_008: Thank you, Chair.

00:31:23 SPEAKER_008: The one thing I would suggest is just pay attention to IG Memo Number Eight that went out in December, with the decisions, the findings, reports, and the decisions by the IG.

00:31:34 SPEAKER_033: There are nine decisions in total that were reached.

00:31:38 SPEAKER_033: None of them directly impacted Owen Sound, but the content within the decisions for other departments are of value to Owen Sound Board as well.

00:31:48 SPEAKER_033: So, and the whole problems for that matter.

00:31:51 SPEAKER_033: The nice part about the decisions as well is the IIG didn't focus on negativity.

00:31:55 SPEAKER_033: There's some positive things that he really highlighted with some of the complaints that came through as a result of their investigation.

00:32:02 SPEAKER_033: So, I just encourage the board to take a few minutes to read that, and it's on the IOP website.

00:32:11 SPEAKER_033: And you said it's memo number eight.

00:32:14 SPEAKER_033: IG memo eight, and on the IOP website, there's eight decisions.

00:32:19 SPEAKER_033: Seven that are actually have a findings report, and sorry, a total of nine decisions, seven that have findings reports, but they are relevant to like Owen Sound Board every board for that matter,

00:32:32 SPEAKER_033: even though they're not directly directed towards you, you folks.

00:32:37 SPEAKER_033: Just generally, don't have, don't you don't want to see your name on the list?

00:32:40 SPEAKER_033: Is what you're saying?

00:32:41 SPEAKER_033: In most cases, I'd agree with you, but in this case here, some of the reports are actually very complimentary of the police service and the investigations they conducted.

00:32:49 SPEAKER_033: So again, not only is it a finding of misconduct or a finding of poor service, they highlight good service.

00:32:59 SPEAKER_033: There's some good reading there.

00:33:01 SPEAKER_033: Yeah, exactly.

00:33:02 SPEAKER_033: Dave, did you have something?

00:33:04 SPEAKER_011: No, I've reviewed all those.

00:33:06 SPEAKER_011: I'm on the mailing list.

00:33:08 SPEAKER_011: When they do come in, I will pat them if anything comes up.

00:33:11 SPEAKER_011: As Hank said, there's nothing that directly impacts us, but it's some good reading.

00:33:15 SPEAKER_011: There's a couple in there with respect to some board member removal decisions that they made from previous year, but again, I don't think it's anything.

00:33:26 SPEAKER_011: Yeah, I scanned the two hundred; I didn't see anything that was a big, big issue.

00:33:28 SPEAKER_011: But okay, anything else, saying?

00:33:32 SPEAKER_011: No, sir.

00:33:32 SPEAKER_011: Thank you.

00:33:35 SPEAKER_011: Okay, moving on to December monthly reports, CIB, etc. Thank you, Chair.

00:33:43 SPEAKER_011: So the report for the Criminal Investigations Branch is.

00:33:46 SPEAKER_011: I want to highlight a few items on the report.

00:33:51 SPEAKER_011: We could see in December a fairly moderate increase in the number of frauds reported, but as you'll see in the report,

00:33:59 SPEAKER_011: there was a couple of frauds that were of a significant loss to the victim.

00:34:05 SPEAKER_011: So our crime unit is investigating cryptocurrency fraud, where a citizen unfortunately was defrauded of four million dollars.

00:34:13 SPEAKER_011: So that investigation is going to be quite involved, and it'll have to occur over several months.

00:34:18 SPEAKER_011: It'll involve a lot of warrants, etc. There's also a seventy thousand dollars fraud involving an email scam, which is also being investigated.

00:34:29 SPEAKER_011: Inspector, just a moment, sir.

00:34:32 SPEAKER_011: Those, as I understand it, those cryptocurrency frauds are initiated from a crypto machine located in Seattle.

00:34:38 SPEAKER_011: Located in the city of Woodstock, this one in particular was not.

00:34:44 SPEAKER_011: But there is one in Owen Sound.

00:34:46 SPEAKER_011: There's at least one that I know of.

00:34:48 SPEAKER_011: There may be two now.

00:34:50 SPEAKER_011: There's definitely one at the store on E Street.

00:34:52 SPEAKER_011: Yeah, I'm trying to think of the city, large city, just recently that city council issued a ban on cryptocurrency machines located city limits.

00:35:07 SPEAKER_011: I'm wondering if there should be anything that comes from the city on that, because I think we know a lot of the crypto transactions sometimes lead to fraud,

00:35:21 SPEAKER_008: and I'm just wondering if the police services board positioned to talk to the city and see if something can be done.

00:35:31 SPEAKER_008: That makes sense.

00:35:32 SPEAKER_008: I can tell you that in this particular instance, it was like an investment style.

00:35:38 SPEAKER_008: It was through messaging, and the fraudster convinced them to transfer.

00:35:43 SPEAKER_008: Yeah, as opposed to, there have been other instances locally where it has been as a result of teams, and I know those were on the top one, two, three, best as well.

00:35:55 SPEAKER_029: So there, there are there have been issues, and I guess I guess there are legitimate purposes for them people to invest, to go money, but certainly legal activities.

00:36:09 SPEAKER_029: A lot of times, those machines are used to actually carry out the fraud.

00:36:13 SPEAKER_029: Yes.

00:36:14 SPEAKER_029: As this one was, the person already owned cryptocurrency.

00:36:18 SPEAKER_029: Was convinced to transfer.

00:36:20 SPEAKER_029: Okay.

00:36:20 SPEAKER_029: But but your point is fully valid.

00:36:21 SPEAKER_029: Would they use those machines to transfer traditional financial instruments through that machine?

00:36:28 SPEAKER_029: Very interesting.

00:36:29 SPEAKER_029: So would it be beneficial in Carol's report if she added a motion from the board to request the city to investigate the potential of banning cryptocurrency transactions.

00:36:41 SPEAKER_029: Burlington is putting it forward to the hairs right now.

00:36:43 SPEAKER_029: Oh, yeah.

00:36:44 SPEAKER_029: So that will help the clerk.

00:36:46 SPEAKER_029: I think, and I agree.

00:36:50 SPEAKER_032: If this board made a recommendation or some sort of formal recognition that this is a community safety concern that you know to protect,

00:37:00 SPEAKER_032: but actually phrase the recommendation based on you know case studies or others, I think it would help even if it can't be done for when we well although it's two months before.

00:37:13 SPEAKER_032: But in addition,

00:37:15 SPEAKER_032: I'm wondering if it would be helpful for the board to also have or the chair and chief to have a conversation with our investment community because they are the content experts about investments, investment security,

00:37:29 SPEAKER_032: and to start to expand our knowledge by asking the content experts about what is out there around investment safety and security,

00:37:40 SPEAKER_032: so that it isn't just it involves the larger community and draws in those key stakeholders to get their perspective on what might need to happen, so that whatever recommendation goes forward,

00:37:54 SPEAKER_032: it's informed by a larger group than just you know.

00:37:58 SPEAKER_032: I just think that sometimes they may.

00:38:01 SPEAKER_032: have approaches that they might recommend based on their larger groups, larger associations, and I would offer that as a suggestion.

00:38:08 SPEAKER_032: Okay, I know that banks have a process in place where there's any large cash withdrawals; they immediately have to review with the manager trying to determine exactly what it's for.

00:38:21 SPEAKER_032: I know personally one person that was scammed doing that to the tune of forty thousand dollars, and I guess I envision not just banks, but those who are investment companies,

00:38:37 SPEAKER_032: because they have connections and networks as well.

00:38:41 SPEAKER_032: To even have the conversation with them would inform us, but also expand.

00:38:48 SPEAKER_032: It might add a bit more credibility in taking this, or should the boards decide that they wish to do it?

00:38:57 SPEAKER_008: Yeah, and I think the investment community has a number of checks and balances in place for fraudulent transactions and scams and things like that.

00:39:07 SPEAKER_008: I think what's happening here is we'd like to consider or have council consider eliminating one of those vehicles where majority of transactions may not be legitimate.

00:39:20 SPEAKER_032: And agree, and I would encourage because we've had the experience of saying, "Hearing that's not within the scope of the municipal council rule."

00:39:31 SPEAKER_032: We need to be able to present it in a way that acknowledges why it might be considered to put the frame around it for our chances of success to be greater.

00:39:43 SPEAKER_032: Would that not fall under business licence, gaming, and law?

00:39:50 SPEAKER_032: I don't know.

00:39:51 SPEAKER_032: Don't know.

00:39:51 SPEAKER_032: That's a good question.

00:39:54 SPEAKER_032: I'd like to see Brad.

00:39:54 SPEAKER_032: I'd like to see Brent, Burlington, Burlington.

00:39:58 SPEAKER_032: Yeah, no, we'll get that.

00:39:59 SPEAKER_032: We can see.

00:40:00 SPEAKER_032: Yeah, for sure.

00:40:01 SPEAKER_032: So if we can put it down.

00:40:03 SPEAKER_032: Because you do need some preamble.

00:40:03 SPEAKER_032: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:40:07 SPEAKER_032: Give it some closure.

00:40:07 SPEAKER_032: Okay, so we'll look into Burlington then.

00:40:10 SPEAKER_032: If there's any other ones around, should just be brought to this meeting.

00:40:16 SPEAKER_032: Yes, we would.

00:40:17 SPEAKER_032: To the other community, maybe they would be able to participate in a conversation.

00:40:25 SPEAKER_011: We can do some work on it and bring something back for the next board meeting.

00:40:29 SPEAKER_011: Look at some of our stats and things like that, too, just to give you some background.

00:40:34 SPEAKER_011: Sorry to interrupt.

00:40:35 SPEAKER_011: No, no problem.

00:40:35 SPEAKER_011: I was going to say also that I mean, I don't have stats.

00:40:40 SPEAKER_011: Anecdotally, I would say that it's starting to replace the gift card, Rod,

00:40:46 SPEAKER_036: because there was education provided to the box style stores that if you see someone coming in and trying to buy five thousand dollars worth of gift cards, it's you know your awareness should be up,

00:40:58 SPEAKER_036: and I would say that's probably starting to take hold.

00:41:00 SPEAKER_036: They're transferring, or I'm up with a better method or a different method, yeah.

00:41:05 SPEAKER_036: And this would be one of those methods, yeah.

00:41:08 SPEAKER_036: Okay, so just two for five.

00:41:11 SPEAKER_036: Okay.

00:41:12 SPEAKER_037: Uh, returning to the report, there's a couple updates on our homicide investigations.

00:41:17 SPEAKER_037: The most noteworthy would be that we've started that we.

00:41:19 SPEAKER_037: The three offenders in the Roman homicide—they were brought back to Canada on December 11th, and they remain in custody.

00:41:28 SPEAKER_037: Yeah, I just add something.

00:41:30 SPEAKER_029: There was an article, and for those on the board who may have seen it, it was in the media that there were critical of the Owen Sound Police Service and the disclosure issues.

00:41:41 SPEAKER_029: I contacted the local Crown Attorney; he got back in touch with me and assured me that there were no issues on OSPSB.

00:41:47 SPEAKER_029: Yes, regarding any disclosure, the volume of disclosure and the release of the disclosure by the Crown's office would take some time,

00:41:56 SPEAKER_029: but there were no issues as far as a lack of disclosure or any concerns on the part of the Crown.

00:42:02 SPEAKER_029: That case, that's the case we told you about.

00:42:05 SPEAKER_029: That just has massive volumes of digital evidence.

00:42:08 SPEAKER_011: So there was, I believe, seventy terabytes delivered as part of disclosure, from a month ago by our staff.

00:42:15 SPEAKER_011: So our end of it is done, but there's obviously a lot of processing to be done at the Crown's office before they get it out.

00:42:22 SPEAKER_011: So that's what part of the issue is.

00:42:29 SPEAKER_037: Okay, moving on to the mental health crisis response team.

00:42:34 SPEAKER_037: Those members handled four referrals from our uniformed members.

00:42:38 SPEAKER_037: There were three community support consultations, and they responded to 20 incidents involving persons in mental health crisis.

00:42:46 SPEAKER_037: Year-end drug overdose information.

00:42:49 SPEAKER_037: We finished the year with four overdose deaths that we investigated, which is, as you see by the numbers, notably down from previous years.

00:43:01 SPEAKER_037: We don't have any missing persons at the current time.

00:43:04 SPEAKER_037: The bail compliance and warrant apprehension unit executed eleven arrest warrants during December, and they conducted six compliance checks on sex offenders residing in the community.

00:43:17 SPEAKER_039: Some of a few charges, administrative criminal offences such as failing to pay warrants.

00:43:26 SPEAKER_039: One of the things the bail compliance unit is undertaking is they're going to have a review of some less serious and older warrants that are currently residing in their system.

00:43:35 SPEAKER_039: There's some warrants dating back to the nineteen nineties.

00:43:40 SPEAKER_039: As I said, less serious offences.

00:43:41 SPEAKER_039: So they're going to arrange a consult with the Crown Attorney and see what the review is having those warrants dealt with or removed.

00:43:51 SPEAKER_039: And the provincial bail compliance dashboard is up and running.

00:43:56 SPEAKER_039: We went live with our bail compliance officer on January 22nd.

00:44:01 SPEAKER_039: It's a situational awareness tool to provide users with real-time spatial information regarding persons who are currently on release on bail for firearms-related offences.

00:44:10 SPEAKER_039: So it's just such a higher degree of scrutiny and oversight that was on bail.

00:44:16 SPEAKER_039: So our members trained up, and they started.

00:44:20 SPEAKER_039: The community-oriented response and enforcement unit did a series of mobile patrols and community engagement activities in December, and provided assistance with the crime to sworn members during investigations.

00:44:40 SPEAKER_039: The auxiliary unit reported in December.

00:44:44 SPEAKER_039: They contributed through ride-alongs a total of 105 volunteer hours, as well as an additional 38.5 hours in running the annual food drive.

00:44:56 SPEAKER_039: Statistics for the food drive: there they raised a total of $6,009 in cash, as well as 1,424 pounds of food in December, which is, as you all know, a key time.

00:45:09 SPEAKER_039: Frontline control and collisions statistics are there.

00:45:15 SPEAKER_039: They're fairly consistent year over year, with a small increase year over year for Highway Traffic Act and a slight decrease in Criminal Code.

00:45:23 SPEAKER_039: Those still high.

00:45:25 SPEAKER_039: Antilock control was quite consistent.

00:45:28 SPEAKER_039: For ride programme activity in December, there were ten ride programmes conducted by officers in December.

00:45:35 SPEAKER_039: There was a total of 270 drivers checked.

00:45:39 SPEAKER_039: No, there were 162 roadside breath tests administered, which seems like a high number, but one of those five stats was a mandatory screening, so it didn't meet a certain criteria,

00:45:51 SPEAKER_039: and they did a roadside test for every driver that met criteria.

00:45:55 SPEAKER_039: So that's why that number was a little higher for December.

00:45:58 SPEAKER_039: And there were three persons charged for impaired driving in December.

00:46:04 SPEAKER_039: Collision statistics are remarkably consistent month over month and year over year.

00:46:09 SPEAKER_039: I did add in a section of some from.

00:46:12 SPEAKER_039: We received the year-end collision reports.

00:46:14 SPEAKER_039: There's some interesting data there from the totality of collisions for 2005.

00:46:20 SPEAKER_039: Some of the highlights I put in bullets there that Thursday was the most common day for collisions.

00:46:25 SPEAKER_039: February was the month with the most collisions.

00:46:30 SPEAKER_039: The 11 to noon hour was the most common time for collisions, followed closely by three to four pm.

00:46:37 SPEAKER_039: The three most common intersections are listed there.

00:46:41 SPEAKER_039: Tenth and Ninth elevated itself this year beyond the other two, which are seemingly always the two most common collision sites.

00:46:50 SPEAKER_039: There were 14 collisions with pedestrians and seven with cyclists.

00:46:54 SPEAKER_039: Ten collisions in which alcohol was a factor, and there were zero fatalities in 2025.

00:47:01 SPEAKER_039: The annual collision report was provided to the city as well.

00:47:07 SPEAKER_039: The community service board report.

00:47:09 SPEAKER_039: Lots of online social media activity, leading fraud awareness, as we discussed earlier, in response to some of those frauds that we received.

00:47:19 SPEAKER_039: Lots of presentations conducted in community engagement, including presentations at St. Mary's High School, Hillcrest School, Alzheimer's School, as well as one at the Alzheimer's Society training?

00:47:37 SPEAKER_039: We finished the mental health crisis response training with the final group.

00:47:44 SPEAKER_039: Most of that training was done in November, but there was last group went in December, so we finished that off.

00:47:49 SPEAKER_039: One of our sergeants went to the domestic violence investigator course at OCS, and our three new constables, as well as two members from Hanover and a new member from West Gray.

00:47:58 SPEAKER_039: Over and a new member from Westray completed their CA onboarding training three day programme.

00:48:05 SPEAKER_039: Finally, the service had its annual two day sergeants training programme, highlighted several areas of interest for sergeants, supervisors, including instruction on the CSBA digital rosters, Crown Attorney pre charge screening programme,

00:48:23 SPEAKER_039: presentation as well as some other items for sergeants, and finally our senior leadership team held a two-day training session in December, with training focused on decision making, leadership development, communication, team building, and accountability.

00:48:43 SPEAKER_029: Thank you.

00:48:43 SPEAKER_029: Can I just add that, just for clarification, the Bell compliance and more now features the tool, the dashboard that we have.

00:48:52 SPEAKER_029: That's a provincial rollout that we've been working on, and there's, you know, working on it.

00:48:56 SPEAKER_029: There's, you know, so been quite a bit of work behind the scenes with IT and getting everything up to date, so we were able to implement that.

00:49:03 SPEAKER_029: So the rollout of that is fairly significant.

00:49:05 SPEAKER_029: It feels it starts with firearms, but it's going to be expanded.

00:49:09 SPEAKER_029: And basically, if somebody gets released from another jurisdiction to your area, or if they get released and then they go and they change their location to your area,

00:49:17 SPEAKER_029: sometimes the notification doesn't actually come through that somebody's living in the area they're on terms of release for the firearms offence.

00:49:25 SPEAKER_029: So this is a visual display you can turn on while you're driving, and it actually tells you that this person lives at this address and they're on a road or within your jurisdiction.

00:49:34 SPEAKER_029: So it's a really good tool that is coming in, and it's going to be expanded beyond just firearms offenses.

00:49:42 SPEAKER_029: So just to highlight that a little bit more, and then the other thing, the opioid toxicity deaths they are down significantly, but we also received the grave roost public.

00:49:52 SPEAKER_029: We received the Grand Bruce public health stats, and they are down across all of Grand Bruce.

00:49:58 SPEAKER_029: But you know, eighty percent of those are in Owen Sound or across Grand Bruce.

00:50:04 SPEAKER_029: Was it just over eighty percent, Dave?

00:50:06 SPEAKER_029: Ah, yeah.

00:50:08 SPEAKER_029: But you know, it was over eighty percent.

00:50:10 SPEAKER_029: But the issues and the concerns are taking place within the small community, the small geographic area of Owen Sound, because of the concentration of services and resources.

00:50:20 SPEAKER_029: Sources and resources here within the city.

00:50:24 SPEAKER_029: We've all but one of the fatalities here as well.

00:50:30 SPEAKER_029: I can just sir, go ahead.

00:50:32 SPEAKER_029: Very quick.

00:50:33 SPEAKER_029: I just wanted to ask about the accidents that are year after year after year the same: Section Fourth Avenue, Sixteenth Street, and Ninth Avenue, and now it's Tenth Street too.

00:50:46 SPEAKER_029: Do we have reports or data showing why these accidents happen when there's traffic lights?

00:50:54 SPEAKER_029: Yeah, so each of the reports go through and it tells you what the cause of the accident was.

00:51:02 SPEAKER_029: Whether somebody was driving properly, whether somebody made an illegal turn, all that data is captured within the reports.

00:51:09 SPEAKER_029: Generally, it's driver error.

00:51:15 SPEAKER_029: Usually relates to turns, but those are the two most frequent.

00:51:20 SPEAKER_029: But we don't actually take it, break it down, and say you know where what each.

00:51:26 SPEAKER_029: We don't look at each individual accident so much as we look at the aggregate data.

00:51:30 SPEAKER_029: So this is just my personal thoughts.

00:51:33 SPEAKER_029: But what about running lights?

00:51:37 SPEAKER_029: Is there anything showing people running lights?

00:51:43 SPEAKER_029: If they failed to stop for a light or they ran the light, then that would indicate that they disobeyed the signal and that gets captured on the report as well,

00:51:51 SPEAKER_029: but I don't see that as a significant issue as much as it is very rare and trying to make a turn when it's not safe to do so.

00:52:01 SPEAKER_029: But that could be captured.

00:52:03 SPEAKER_029: That would be captured.

00:52:05 SPEAKER_009: Well, that's what I wanted to know.

00:52:06 SPEAKER_009: But if you say there's nothing significant, then that's what I was looking for.

00:52:11 SPEAKER_029: I guess the most important thing with that data and the reason it gets sent to the city is historically nothing's really happened with it.

00:52:20 SPEAKER_029: But that would be your indication of how do you engineer a solution to some.

00:52:24 SPEAKER_029: You know, there's one thing to say: enforcement is a solution, but enforcement's not present all the time.

00:52:31 SPEAKER_029: There's an engineered solution, and you know some of the other collision locations and some of the incidents.

00:52:38 SPEAKER_029: You know, I'll take for example the pedestrian or the cyclist.

00:52:42 SPEAKER_029: Those are oftentimes engineering solutions if we look at and examine this far as trying to minimize risk, but I've yet to see any engineering solutions implemented.

00:52:54 SPEAKER_029: I'm sorry, there's...

00:52:55 SPEAKER_029: I've been in a lot of cities where they have the cameras, the red light cameras,

00:53:02 SPEAKER_029: and I just wanted to ask about that because I guess that would be a city thing they'd have to do it, but to me there's consistency in the number of accidents at those three intersections,

00:53:13 SPEAKER_029: and we're only talking three intersections.

00:53:15 SPEAKER_029: I just wonder what the cost would be if we ever looked into something like that, and how much it would correct accidents that you know seem to be the same high numbers year after year.

00:53:26 SPEAKER_029: Yeah, that's the engineering solutions that I'm talking about.

00:53:29 SPEAKER_029: There's other options and ways of dealing with it than just strictly studying for a date.

00:53:34 SPEAKER_029: I was just going to say, I know a couple of years ago Lara Woodfield did a report for council that was on speed,

00:53:41 SPEAKER_011: and I believe it also had red light cameras in there because we were consulted on some of the issues around it.

00:53:47 SPEAKER_011: But I don't know whatever council's decision was with respect to it.

00:53:52 SPEAKER_011: The other thing I would add is the engineer that was doing most of the traffic stuff retired, Chris Webb, some time ago, and I haven't heard that he's been replaced as of yet.

00:54:02 SPEAKER_011: So there may be a gap there now with the city in terms of what they're doing with that data or collision data.

00:54:11 SPEAKER_011: Not all of these intersections have advance green, do they?

00:54:15 SPEAKER_011: Tenth Street and Fourth have what?

00:54:17 SPEAKER_011: East doesn't.

00:54:19 SPEAKER_011: Sixteenth and Ninth.

00:54:20 SPEAKER_011: Yeah.

00:54:22 SPEAKER_011: In Sixteenth.

00:54:25 SPEAKER_011: Tenth and Ninth does, and Tenth and Fourth does not.

00:54:26 SPEAKER_011: But Fourth and Tenth still...

00:54:29 SPEAKER_011: I just wondered if that was part of the issue.

00:54:31 SPEAKER_011: In Sixteenth and Ninth, that's the four-way stop.

00:54:35 SPEAKER_011: No, that's the 20 at the Petro-Canada, right?

00:54:37 SPEAKER_011: Mr. Petro, can you speak?

00:54:41 SPEAKER_032: Through your chair, the Operations Committee would be certainly a first step, and it has.

00:54:46 SPEAKER_032: Laura has brought information, and the reports have been reviewed.

00:54:50 SPEAKER_032: It's been interesting.

00:54:51 SPEAKER_032: Sometimes there's no real understanding of why.

00:54:54 SPEAKER_032: It's not the weather.

00:54:55 SPEAKER_032: It's not air.

00:54:56 SPEAKER_032: Some of the reports.

00:54:58 SPEAKER_032: It's undetermined.

00:54:59 SPEAKER_032: It just so we know that there are traffic studies.

00:55:04 SPEAKER_032: There's counts.

00:55:05 SPEAKER_032: There's a variety of things, and we also... a variety of things.

00:55:07 SPEAKER_032: Then we also know there's a keen interest in moving more towards other options of transportation, including bicycling.

00:55:15 SPEAKER_032: I'm wondering, and again, this is where the information goes back and forth.

00:55:19 SPEAKER_032: But how do we join together the city and police services around issues?

00:55:25 SPEAKER_032: Really targeted.

00:55:27 SPEAKER_032: "Target" is a bad word to use in police, but you know what I mean.

00:55:31 SPEAKER_032: Focus conversations around, you know, traffic.

00:55:35 SPEAKER_032: Something like this, for sure, would be appropriate to bring up through Operations Committee, and then say how do we move this forward?

00:55:45 SPEAKER_032: Because we're seeing the consistency, and you know has everything been done?

00:55:52 SPEAKER_032: For sure, you know the city may view well as a policing concern about enforcement.

00:55:58 SPEAKER_032: The police services may feel it's an engineered... you know because we do traffic lights and all of that,

00:56:05 SPEAKER_032: and I'm wondering how do we start bringing people together to work together on a common shared issue that's gone on, is consistent, and we're seeing it.

00:56:15 SPEAKER_032: How do we do this?

00:56:16 SPEAKER_032: What's the mechanism to start bringing together these conversations?

00:56:20 SPEAKER_032: I guess one of the things moving forward with anything like that, it has to be a cost-benefit analysis.

00:56:26 SPEAKER_032: Like, what's the cost opposed to the benefit?

00:56:28 SPEAKER_032: I think, as she pointed out, most of the causes is rooted in driving.

00:56:32 SPEAKER_032: Is rooted in driver error.

00:56:34 SPEAKER_032: The driver follows the rules; it's pretty easy.

00:56:37 SPEAKER_032: The next is risk mitigation.

00:56:39 SPEAKER_032: You know, what are we mitigating for those skills?

00:56:45 SPEAKER_044: I'm not sure we could come up with a solution by saying you know we put a left-hand turn signal on for seconds longer or something like that.

00:56:54 SPEAKER_032: And it's more just having people around the table to talk about it as opposed trying to come up with solutions because I think building the bridges... or who has part of it, who has part,

00:57:10 SPEAKER_032: could be a strength going forward, especially as we move towards new council.

00:57:14 SPEAKER_029: I think there are you know we've approached traffic and city about some of our concerns, you know traffic data and concerns with the other municipalities.

00:57:29 SPEAKER_029: That other municipalities are doing other engineered solutions like speed humps, removable, because they you know they complain about the fact that the snow removal would be a concern.

00:57:39 SPEAKER_029: Well, I've been through many municipalities in the province, like many that have removable speed humps placed in there.

00:57:48 SPEAKER_029: Many have removable, or they stay in place.

00:57:52 SPEAKER_029: You know dividers or markers that naturally make you slow down there.

00:57:58 SPEAKER_029: Many engineered solutions.

00:58:00 SPEAKER_029: We've also spoken about getting one of the speed measuring devices.

00:58:05 SPEAKER_029: We use our traffic trailer, but you know and they provide the information.

00:58:10 SPEAKER_029: But that's all fine.

00:58:12 SPEAKER_029: But something has to be done with that.

00:58:15 SPEAKER_029: There's been no uptake on movable speed bumps.

00:58:19 SPEAKER_029: There's been no... on the lane dividing markers to make people slow down because they think you're going to hit them with your mirror.

00:58:25 SPEAKER_029: There's been no movement on that.

00:58:25 SPEAKER_029: No movement on a number of questions about you know the people are flying down my street and yet you go and sit and do traffic for two hours and you don't have nobody that's going

00:58:37 SPEAKER_029: more than seven kilometres over the speed limit.

00:58:40 SPEAKER_029: That's an engineered solution.

00:58:41 SPEAKER_029: That's why we put out our traffic trailer.

00:58:43 SPEAKER_029: We don't put the traffic trailer out.

00:58:45 SPEAKER_029: It's a community safety.

00:58:46 SPEAKER_029: It's crime prevention.

00:58:47 SPEAKER_029: It's from our point of view, but the data from that isn't for us.

00:58:51 SPEAKER_029: The data for that is from... it's from that is for the city.

00:58:53 SPEAKER_029: Yeah, but you have to do something for that.

00:58:56 SPEAKER_029: And I think from what I'm hearing and I, the short time I've been on this board, there's a ping-pong effect.

00:59:04 SPEAKER_029: You, whose issue really is it, and it gets...

00:59:09 SPEAKER_032: I'm not saying whose issue it should be, but I see how do we move towards shared communication and follow things through.

00:59:21 SPEAKER_032: That's just my take on what I've heard.

00:59:24 SPEAKER_032: But I think certainly bringing it forward in Operations.

00:59:28 SPEAKER_032: Mary, what do you think?

00:59:30 SPEAKER_043: Well, the police would provide that report to the city.

00:59:36 SPEAKER_043: And years ago, there used to be a committee that was more focused on traffic than transit, and they would look after it.

00:59:44 SPEAKER_043: Now it all goes into the big lump of Operations, and it's whether somebody picks it out to do something about it.

00:59:51 SPEAKER_043: Gotcha.

00:59:52 SPEAKER_043: My...

00:59:53 SPEAKER_043: Suggestion might be that when we have our two meetings with the city a year, that traffic be one of the topics, and that attention's brought to these intersections.

01:00:06 SPEAKER_043: And even though it's driver error, is there something mechanically or whatever that can be done about it?

01:00:15 SPEAKER_043: That would bring more focus to it, I think.

01:00:17 SPEAKER_043: Even driver error, you look at it and you know they don't.

01:00:20 SPEAKER_043: You know whether or not there needs to be a green signal, or there needs to be an advance, or a delayed green, or whatever that may look like.

01:00:27 SPEAKER_029: There's options that can help avoid.

01:00:30 SPEAKER_029: If you see consistently that there's people trying to get through the intersection, making a left turn, example making a left turn because it's not long enough, and everybody's delayed, anxious and waiting.

01:00:40 SPEAKER_029: Then there's an engineered solution to be able to fix that and extend it, or make it work better so that people don't get anxious and try and rush and make a mistake.

01:00:48 SPEAKER_029: And the city has lost its expertise.

01:00:51 SPEAKER_043: Years ago, we had Jim Colbert who focused only on traffic lights and intersections and traffic bylaw and so on.

01:01:00 SPEAKER_043: And then we had Chris Webb pick that up.

01:01:02 SPEAKER_043: But now Chris is gone, so the question to the city is who picks it up now?

01:01:07 SPEAKER_043: Yeah, who's picking that?

01:01:09 SPEAKER_043: And you mentioned cost.

01:01:10 SPEAKER_043: Like I, I don't know how do you if you're thinking costs.

01:01:15 SPEAKER_043: How do you put a price on safety?

01:01:17 SPEAKER_046: Yeah, because that's what it is.

01:01:19 SPEAKER_046: But we have consistent numbers at those intersections.

01:01:22 SPEAKER_046: That's why I asked about like a red light camera.

01:01:25 SPEAKER_046: I don't know if any of you like when I drive in Vancouver.

01:01:29 SPEAKER_046: I know they have red light.

01:01:31 SPEAKER_046: I look for them.

01:01:33 SPEAKER_046: It changes the way you're thinking when you're driving.

01:01:35 SPEAKER_046: They work, you know.

01:01:36 SPEAKER_046: If you're driving in Edmonton, they've got speed cameras.

01:01:39 SPEAKER_046: You watch your speed because you know, boom boom, they'll be nailing you.

01:01:44 SPEAKER_046: They work, but.

01:01:46 SPEAKER_029: And I agree with you 100%, and you know the evidence is there that they work.

01:01:51 SPEAKER_029: But that's an engineering solution; it's not an enforcement solution, right?

01:01:57 SPEAKER_029: Okay, sorry, I probably beat that one to death.

01:01:59 SPEAKER_029: No, that's all right.

01:01:59 SPEAKER_029: No, it's good.

01:02:00 SPEAKER_029: Good conversation.

01:02:01 SPEAKER_029: All right, just a really quick comment.

01:02:05 SPEAKER_029: Yep.

01:02:05 SPEAKER_029: So, Inspector Mathis covered quickly the auxiliary,

01:02:08 SPEAKER_011: but I just wanted to make a comment on the food bank food drive this year because I met with Alice Wan and Salvation Army and part of that discussion was this has been one of

01:02:17 SPEAKER_011: their worst years in terms of need,

01:02:20 SPEAKER_011: new families, and virtually all of their over the years, any number of different organisations that try to do assistance and support of the food bank.

01:02:32 SPEAKER_011: But she commented specifically that in almost all cases, all of those numbers are down for the food gathering, with the exception of our auxiliary,

01:02:40 SPEAKER_011: which had a several record year for the amount of food money that came in.

01:02:47 SPEAKER_011: Extremely appreciative of that because that was going to help get through Christmas season.

01:02:50 SPEAKER_011: So they did a great job with it.

01:02:52 SPEAKER_011: Excellent.

01:02:53 SPEAKER_011: Even next year.

01:02:54 SPEAKER_011: So let's do.

01:02:56 SPEAKER_011: And might be available.

01:02:59 SPEAKER_011: Oh, okay, great.

01:03:10 SPEAKER_011: Yes, so did I. Both be winging it.

01:03:14 SPEAKER_011: Yes, he'll be almost promoted to the next rank.

01:03:23 SPEAKER_011: Yeah, Mike Coffin, hear you.

01:03:34 SPEAKER_029: We just want to take an opportunity to congratulate you on presenting on the platform board to recognize that you're from.

01:03:39 SPEAKER_029: Recognized that you're from.

01:03:40 SPEAKER_029: I think a couple months ago, when you're supposed to be here, I had a bit of biography laid out.

01:03:45 SPEAKER_029: I don't.

01:03:46 SPEAKER_029: Yeah.

01:03:47 SPEAKER_029: The twenty-year, twenty-four, twenty-four year total, twenty-four years, twenty-seven total, twenty-seven total.

01:03:57 SPEAKER_029: So lots brings lots of experience to his role here, and we're really happy to have Mike recognize him.

01:04:03 SPEAKER_029: Sergeant, he's working with one of the teams on the road right now with Colonel Twyman.

01:04:06 SPEAKER_029: So I just want to take the opportunity to use the board.

01:04:10 SPEAKER_029: Thank you and appreciate the job you're doing.

01:04:13 SPEAKER_029: Congratulations.

01:04:14 SPEAKER_029: Thank you, sir.

01:04:15 SPEAKER_029: Yeah, no, it's been a good ride.

01:04:23 SPEAKER_029: I did quite different things here.

01:04:25 SPEAKER_029: I did the drug unit with Craig and some CIB work and acting surgeon for several years, on and off.

01:04:35 SPEAKER_029: It's been interesting.

01:04:36 SPEAKER_029: It's gone by really quick.

01:04:38 SPEAKER_029: The next twenty will be more.

01:04:40 SPEAKER_029: It does.

01:04:41 SPEAKER_029: Funny point.

01:04:45 SPEAKER_029: Yeah.

01:04:46 SPEAKER_029: Thanks, folks, and we'll catch you back too.

01:04:50 SPEAKER_029: Thank you.

01:04:50 SPEAKER_029: Thank you.

01:04:51 SPEAKER_029: Thanks, Mike.

01:04:51 SPEAKER_029: Congrats.

01:04:52 SPEAKER_029: I have no idea.

01:04:59 SPEAKER_029: Mike's full of hockey.

01:05:01 SPEAKER_029: Full of hockey.

01:05:01 SPEAKER_029: Durs.

01:05:02 SPEAKER_029: How do you spell that?

01:05:03 SPEAKER_029: H-O-L-S-E. Yeah.

01:05:05 SPEAKER_029: Right here, help.

01:05:07 SPEAKER_029: Right there.

01:05:09 SPEAKER_029: Thank you.

01:05:18 SPEAKER_029: Is Reach coming?

01:05:19 SPEAKER_029: Is it tomorrow?

01:05:22 SPEAKER_029: No, it's on Wednesdays, but I don't.

01:05:24 SPEAKER_029: Let's know.

01:05:25 SPEAKER_029: I get certain date.

01:05:26 SPEAKER_029: Yeah, it's possible.

01:05:27 SPEAKER_029: Okay.

01:05:27 SPEAKER_029: I haven't heard of a cancellation yet, so they probably will be here.

01:05:33 SPEAKER_029: All right, moving on to next item.

01:05:36 SPEAKER_029: I think we're on to report from Director Flunny.

01:05:42 SPEAKER_029: Thank you, Chair.

01:05:44 SPEAKER_029: Oh, this really should be Doherty, should it be?

01:05:47 SPEAKER_029: Well, the report comes from Director Flunny, and I speak in her behalf.

01:05:52 SPEAKER_029: Okay.

01:05:54 SPEAKER_029: So this update is for Courts and Records.

01:05:57 SPEAKER_029: December activity increased in several areas.

01:06:00 SPEAKER_029: Our bulk record check searches increased 6.2%.

01:06:05 SPEAKER_029: Warrants executed increased 29.1%, and custody transports increased 61.9%.

01:06:13 SPEAKER_050: Our special counsel hours were up 9.4%, reflecting high courtroom demands, and purses charged decreased by 14.3%.

01:06:23 SPEAKER_050: That's consistent with case-specific evidentiary requirements-related charges.

01:06:28 SPEAKER_050: Our year-end trends show modest decline.

01:06:30 SPEAKER_050: Show modest declines in bulk record searches by minus six point nine percent, warrants minus one point eight, and person charges minus two point nine.

01:06:42 SPEAKER_050: Changes were linked to reduced submissions from one of our major record check providers and temporary leave effective execution of the BCWA.

01:06:51 SPEAKER_050: Bit I'm member on personal leave at that time.

01:06:55 SPEAKER_050: Video appearances declined twenty-eight point six percent as courts are now returning to in-person processes as more preferred than video, special constable hours increased 11.8%,

01:07:07 SPEAKER_050: and that's driven by multiple in-custody superior court matters late in the year.

01:07:13 SPEAKER_050: And as you're aware, we have armed security now at the courts, done so from September to December, that resulted in approximately 834 uniform hours providing security.

01:07:27 SPEAKER_050: Special constables contributed seventeen thousand fifty-one hours in twenty twenty-five, and this was due to prisoner management, sustained multi-courtroom operations, and numerous in-custody proceedings.

01:07:44 SPEAKER_050: Agreed.

01:07:47 SPEAKER_050: Any questions for Mister Zody?

01:07:51 SPEAKER_050: Thank you.

01:07:51 SPEAKER_050: Moving on to reports from Corporate Services, Susan.

01:07:55 SPEAKER_050: This is Susan Masson and Chris Helpling, IT Services.

01:07:59 SPEAKER_050: Okay, so we'll start with an update on the Ohio State Emergency Communication Centre.

01:08:06 SPEAKER_050: This past year, we completed a major modernization, also with our transition to Next Generation 911, that occurred on November 25th, which has improved caller location accuracy, cybersecurity resiliency,

01:08:20 SPEAKER_050: and future compatibility with text and digital reporting.

01:08:25 SPEAKER_050: Year to date, nine one calls increased five percent.

01:08:30 SPEAKER_050: No answer calls decreased by two percent.

01:08:33 SPEAKER_050: Calls dispatched increased by three point five percent.

01:08:38 SPEAKER_050: In December, we dispatched just over five thousand events, which is on average one hundred sixty-three per day, and that was down six point six percent from November.

01:08:49 SPEAKER_050: For twenty twenty-five, our communication centre dispatched a total of six.

01:08:52 SPEAKER_050: Centre dispatched a total of sixty-nine thousand eight hundred seventy-seven calls for service with One Sound and our partner agencies.

01:09:00 SPEAKER_050: This was a three percent increase over twenty twenty-four, and our calls for One Sound were eighteen thousand nine hundred seventy-four.

01:09:09 SPEAKER_050: That number, almost nineteen thousand.

01:09:13 SPEAKER_050: And party one call response time performance improved for One Sound, with a median response time of seven point one minutes.

01:09:23 SPEAKER_050: Receive a call until officers arrive.

01:09:24 SPEAKER_050: Then, just a quick update for information technology.

01:09:34 SPEAKER_050: Twenty twenty-five was a transformative year, highlighted by the successful implementation of NG nine one one.

01:09:42 SPEAKER_050: IT also completed major Microsoft three hundred sixty-five rollouts, cyber security reviews, engineering support for eleven partners.

01:09:49 SPEAKER_050: Support for eleven partner communication centres, and they continued development work for the new Westbury Police Facility that's soon to open, while continuing to prepare emergency technology initiatives for 2026.

01:10:05 SPEAKER_050: Any questions?

01:10:05 SPEAKER_032: For yes, just for clarification.

01:10:08 SPEAKER_032: Just I want to be sure that I heard this right.

01:10:11 SPEAKER_032: So over nineteen thousand dollars, or nineteen thousand calls, calls.

01:10:18 SPEAKER_032: Did you say eighteen thousand of those were primarily for Owen Sound?

01:10:23 SPEAKER_032: So there was almost seventy thousand calls for service in total that our communication centre processes.

01:10:27 SPEAKER_032: Okay, yeah, that's not just for ourselves.

01:10:30 SPEAKER_032: That's for the partner AECs and over West Grey, Sudbury, Cobourg, and Port Hope.

01:10:35 SPEAKER_032: Yep.

01:10:35 SPEAKER_032: So that call volume in total was almost seventy thousand that we processed.

01:10:40 SPEAKER_032: And of that, ours was close to nineteen thousand for Owen Sound City.

01:10:44 SPEAKER_032: Thank you.

01:10:45 SPEAKER_032: Just a hair under.

01:10:46 SPEAKER_032: Just under eighteen.

01:10:47 SPEAKER_032: Yeah.

01:10:47 SPEAKER_032: In energy dispatch, nine-seven-four, Owen Sound, and that's annual.

01:10:53 SPEAKER_032: Yes, for twenty twenty-five.

01:10:56 SPEAKER_032: Thank you.

01:10:56 SPEAKER_032: That helps.

01:10:58 SPEAKER_032: So just to put that in perspective: if we only dispatch for Owen Sound Police and Fire, we did nineteen thousand.

01:11:07 SPEAKER_032: The reason we brought in dispatch to provide service to others was to take advantage of the spare capacity.

01:11:17 SPEAKER_032: So we've got what fifty thousand calls that were earning money on that which we wouldn't necessarily have done if we didn't have a dispatch service.

01:11:32 SPEAKER_032: And we use the same number of people for the nineteen thousand as we do for the seventy thousand.

01:11:38 SPEAKER_032: You would need to, you say?

01:11:40 SPEAKER_032: Yes.

01:11:40 SPEAKER_032: Yeah.

01:11:43 SPEAKER_032: Okay.

01:11:46 SPEAKER_032: Chief, do you have a target time, a target number for response times?

01:11:52 SPEAKER_032: We're on average seven point one minutes.

01:11:55 SPEAKER_032: Is it?

01:11:56 SPEAKER_032: Do you always shoot for between six and eight minutes, or what's that?

01:12:01 SPEAKER_029: So we've just started being able to get some of that information because of the NG9-1-1 upgrade.

01:12:06 SPEAKER_029: We didn't actually; it was really difficult to get out of the former system to get back to the actual thing.

01:12:12 SPEAKER_029: Time to activate.

01:12:13 SPEAKER_029: Yes, we have some, and it varies by priority as far as what the response time should be.

01:12:20 SPEAKER_029: But seven point one minutes by the time you actually enter the information, process the call, and send it to the officer, and then drive there—seven minutes isn't that bad.

01:12:35 SPEAKER_029: And I can tell you that, I don't... that's the average, but there are some that are much quicker than that.

01:12:40 SPEAKER_029: Somewhat are much quicker than that, so ideally, we'll track that and see where we go, see what direction that's going, and how many people are available and how many calls they have to handle.

01:12:56 SPEAKER_029: It takes time to do that.

01:12:58 SPEAKER_029: If they're available and they can get dispatched right away, certainly it speeds up the process.

01:13:02 SPEAKER_029: So we're going to have to look at the data as we can start to add more now that we get better information coming out of the system, work with that,

01:13:11 SPEAKER_029: and try and get it down.

01:13:13 SPEAKER_029: So, if you were over eight minutes, you'd probably look into it and find out why.

01:13:17 SPEAKER_029: I guess not.

01:13:18 SPEAKER_029: I guess we haven't really received any complaints about the response times.

01:13:23 SPEAKER_029: It was more internal as far as what I like to see, and certainly if it starts increasing, that's a problem.

01:13:29 SPEAKER_029: We need to put in place measures and we'd like to get it driven down.

01:13:34 SPEAKER_029: I'd like between five and six minutes, but you know, right?

01:13:38 SPEAKER_029: That's where staffing levels are.

01:13:40 SPEAKER_029: Have to remember we haven't had the availability of any of our special or part-time officers to assist since August of last year.

01:13:49 SPEAKER_029: So our resources and our staffing levels, and the fact that we still have seven in training of our members that aren't working independently on their own yet,

01:14:00 SPEAKER_029: but they've been here—those are all things that affect us.

01:14:04 SPEAKER_029: That response time; staffing level needs to be like we need to get those people trained and in, and we need to increase our complement.

01:14:10 SPEAKER_029: But complement, as we've explained in the presentations, is on budget, but extra bodies and resources because those nineteen thousand calls are being handled by the same number of people.

01:14:20 SPEAKER_029: We're handling fourteen thousand calls ten years ago.

01:14:25 SPEAKER_029: That's, and like I said, now we don't have our special or part-time officers, and we also have a real shortage.

01:14:32 SPEAKER_029: Over the summer, we were down lower than that as far as available resources and officers.

01:14:36 SPEAKER_029: So, if we can get the bodies back, I think you'll see that improve.

01:14:40 SPEAKER_029: But if you're not getting complaints, I think that speaks for itself.

01:14:44 SPEAKER_046: Because if you're at the other end of it, if you're waiting on someone to come, it always seems like a lifetime before anybody gets there.

01:14:50 SPEAKER_046: The priority calls are the ones that an officer will clear, despite the fact they may be busy and they may have to go back;

01:14:57 SPEAKER_029: they'll clear to make sure they get there to deal with somebody who needs a priority response.

01:15:02 SPEAKER_029: And you know, it's a bit of juggling to keep the calls in the air because it might not be done to the point that you need to be,

01:15:08 SPEAKER_029: but you have to go and deal with the situation over here.

01:15:10 SPEAKER_029: So you know that that's it, and that's difficult because a lot of times when you're having to go back to that original call in the first place,

01:15:18 SPEAKER_029: deal with the person and finish that call because now you've cleared up that one to the point where you can clear it.

01:15:23 SPEAKER_029: So it's not ideal.

01:15:27 SPEAKER_043: Are you capturing the calls for ambulance and fire as well?

01:15:31 SPEAKER_029: Response times.

01:15:33 SPEAKER_029: We don't calculate their response time.

01:15:35 SPEAKER_029: We could calculate response times for fire because they, you know, they're dispatched by us.

01:15:40 SPEAKER_029: Ambulance gets downloaded by somebody else, so they look after their own response times.

01:15:45 SPEAKER_029: But I know that they were just over a thousand calls for fire, and that's that's all their calls.

01:15:51 SPEAKER_029: That's not fire calls.

01:15:52 SPEAKER_029: That's you know, traffic accidents and everything.

01:15:55 SPEAKER_029: A thousand calls, just over a thousand calls for the year.

01:16:01 SPEAKER_029: And the same number of resources as we do with nineteen thousand calls.

01:16:05 SPEAKER_032: Further to that, because that statistical information, I think, would be really, really helpful for council to know.

01:16:10 SPEAKER_032: But you dispatch for fire locally, so you would have the ability to at least provide that.

01:16:17 SPEAKER_032: Do we get that information anywhere in our city?

01:16:21 SPEAKER_032: That's a question.

01:16:24 SPEAKER_032: But it would be really helpful if we look at the umbrella of community safety around our responses from our funded agencies locally.

01:16:38 SPEAKER_032: It might be an interesting information piece, not only the ratio of percentage, but also just to get an idea of the perspective.

01:16:49 SPEAKER_032: Because I'm looking, thinking back, and I'm not sure at council we've ever seen this; council has ever received it, but other councils have.

01:16:57 SPEAKER_054: When we've been on before, we used to have a committee for fire extinguishers.

01:17:04 SPEAKER_032: Yeah, it would be interesting, and I'm not, you know, I think it's something as a comparator because you're providing that dispatch service, right?

01:17:14 SPEAKER_032: So you would have accurate data.

01:17:16 SPEAKER_032: So that's under corporate services now.

01:17:18 SPEAKER_032: So whether they have the report come or not, it would be interesting to ask the question.

01:17:24 SPEAKER_032: Yeah, yeah, I have a question about business models.

01:17:30 SPEAKER_032: The dispatch is a business model that police services does.

01:17:36 SPEAKER_032: City also has business models that they do where they contract services out to other municipalities.

01:17:44 SPEAKER_032: My understanding is police services creates their business model, negotiates their contracts with other organisations, and police services sets the costing and the expectations, which may be different than the business modelling that the city does,

01:18:06 SPEAKER_032: because sometimes you know the business model, as we all know, has been questioned in the past.

01:18:14 SPEAKER_032: You clearly indicated the advantages of the business model, but Owen Sound Police Services has the independence to set their own fees, expectations, and to negotiate the contracts independently.

01:18:29 SPEAKER_032: Correct.

01:18:31 SPEAKER_032: Yeah, yeah, and that is a clear delineation between business modelling at the city and responsibility.

01:18:39 SPEAKER_032: I think a business model can take many shapes and forms.

01:18:43 SPEAKER_032: Different organisations, whether it's here, the city, or you know, manufacturing.

01:18:49 SPEAKER_032: I think you still have to have a business model.

01:18:51 SPEAKER_032: Yeah, and our business model is we own it.

01:18:55 SPEAKER_032: Craig owns it, runs it, negotiates the salaries.

01:18:58 SPEAKER_032: Everything else.

01:19:00 SPEAKER_032: Yeah, and it isn't designed to match what the city is doing.

01:19:04 SPEAKER_032: It's based on the content expertise and what's out there, and the comparator is inaccurate to even think that you compare how this.

01:19:16 SPEAKER_032: Do you know what I mean?

01:19:17 SPEAKER_032: Yeah, yeah, and I just needed clarification because the city doesn't negotiate; police services creates for them for this model.

01:19:29 SPEAKER_032: Thank you.

01:19:31 SPEAKER_032: Helpful.

01:19:32 SPEAKER_056: Thank you.

01:19:33 SPEAKER_056: Just important.

01:19:33 SPEAKER_056: Are you doing some work with IOP regards to response times?

01:19:39 SPEAKER_029: Yeah.

01:19:40 SPEAKER_029: So Bill Marks actually, Marks, I'm joining us a little bit later to present, but she had a data collection conference call this morning with IOP on some of the data,

01:19:50 SPEAKER_029: and we recently received a first bit of data coming out of IOP for all the work that everybody's put in.

01:19:57 SPEAKER_029: And I think I shared the share of the you know just the overall population they serve things.

01:20:06 SPEAKER_029: There's some standard information there, but that call today is going over the ability for everybody to access the data across the province.

01:20:16 SPEAKER_029: It's standardized now for policing.

01:20:20 SPEAKER_029: It's difficult because you know we ask for just over nine million dollars for a budget, but then the financial appraisal report says upwards of fourteen million dollars in costs for policing.

01:20:32 SPEAKER_029: Well, if you compare fourteen million dollars compared to somebody else who's asked, who's asked doesn't include their building costs and kind of adventures from twenty years ago that are still being paid for.

01:20:43 SPEAKER_029: All those things, it's an apples-to-apples comparison.

01:20:47 SPEAKER_029: It's a lot easier.

01:20:48 SPEAKER_029: You know, I heard the mayor recently on the FOS saying it was fifteen million dollars.

01:20:53 SPEAKER_029: I don't know where the fifteen million dollars comes from, but you know,

01:20:58 SPEAKER_029: it's going to be a lot easier for us to look at the IOP information to say every police service fills in this template and provides this response to the questionnaire,

01:21:08 SPEAKER_029: and this is the amount that it costs to operate.

01:21:12 SPEAKER_029: This is the amount of cost for capital, and it doesn't include all those other things that everybody needs a building.

01:21:17 SPEAKER_029: Everybody needs,

01:21:18 SPEAKER_029: and you know it's not fair to add the cost of a building into policing because I'll tell say for example this next year or even this year if you use Soggy Shores they have a

01:21:28 SPEAKER_029: brand new building;

01:21:29 SPEAKER_029: they're you know they're paying for it but it's not being dumped into their policing costs annually.

01:21:35 SPEAKER_029: You know that but their maintenance level isn't what it is here where we have somebody fixing the HVAC system every other day.

01:21:43 SPEAKER_029: Our staff, like myself, last week wearing my jacket all week because there's no heat in my office.

01:21:48 SPEAKER_029: They say that that's the type of thing that you know.

01:21:51 SPEAKER_029: If you don't have an up-to-date, modernized facility, then it doesn't reflect that the old policing costs the same.

01:21:57 SPEAKER_029: The Edison West Gray's going to have a new facility next year, so their I'm sure their annual maintenance costs are going to go down.

01:22:04 SPEAKER_029: So does that show that their cost of policing is going down?

01:22:07 SPEAKER_029: My answer is no, but it may; it may reflect that it does.

01:22:10 SPEAKER_029: Probably not.

01:22:10 SPEAKER_029: Reflect that it does, depending on how they capture the new facility, how they put that into the books.

01:22:16 SPEAKER_029: So it's at least this way, all the information is there.

01:22:21 SPEAKER_029: Every police service, cross-province, has to put it in, and we'll have access to it, so we can make an apples-to-apples comparison, unlike the current method where people process it differently.

01:22:31 SPEAKER_029: I've looked at the financial information report, and I have nowhere under policing where I see the revenue, which is unusual.

01:22:37 SPEAKER_029: Which is unusual for me, but I guess it's because most places it's not a revenue expense; it's all expense.

01:22:44 SPEAKER_029: So, you know, you look at the fourteen million.

01:22:48 SPEAKER_029: Where's the revenue that's brought in as a result to offset that?

01:22:51 SPEAKER_029: Or it's not; it's not listed.

01:22:52 SPEAKER_029: I don't see it listed in there.

01:22:54 SPEAKER_029: Yeah, thank you, Chair.

01:22:57 SPEAKER_029: This comes back to some of the challenges when there's a department, not really a department.

01:23:03 SPEAKER_032: You know, some of the accounting principles that are applied, like facilities being facility costs being cost allocation implies that police services is a department like other departments, and yet the IOP will present a report.

01:23:20 SPEAKER_032: There's more standardized approach, and I think if what I've observed is that the accounting principles used are varying, and it doesn't reflect the pure cost of policing community safety,

01:23:39 SPEAKER_032: so I see that a bit of a disconnect when we start to have cost allocations, whether it's for IT support or for facility cleaning or whether upgrades, payroll support, management support.

01:23:52 SPEAKER_032: Yes, and that then it treats like other departments, which is a philosophy that may be held, but on the flip side, it doesn't give the accurate picture of the true costs,

01:24:04 SPEAKER_032: of and so the IOP report would be really, really critical when it comes in, and your analysis comes.

01:24:11 SPEAKER_032: I think having that shared with council would be absolutely critical.

01:24:17 SPEAKER_032: Yeah, and I have something to talk about later on when we talk about discussion.

01:24:21 SPEAKER_032: So then, data sharing, collective.

01:24:24 SPEAKER_032: Thank you.

01:24:25 SPEAKER_032: Anyone else?

01:24:27 SPEAKER_011: Just on the response times, I'm actually looking forward to seeing what IOP produces because I think our response times, seeing.

01:24:32 SPEAKER_011: See in comparison, they're going to be very good.

01:24:36 SPEAKER_011: Those response times, when you look at them too, that's the time from when the phone rings to somebody standing on your doorstep.

01:24:42 SPEAKER_011: So I think six or seven minutes.

01:24:43 SPEAKER_011: That's when you think of all those steps that have to happen, or even just the travel time.

01:24:49 SPEAKER_011: You know, now we'll do better because of geography, because we're quite compressed than obviously places policing rural areas and that sort of thing.

01:24:56 SPEAKER_011: But that's, I think, those are pretty good times actually.

01:25:01 SPEAKER_011: Good.

01:25:03 SPEAKER_011: Moving on to report from Manager HR.

01:25:06 SPEAKER_011: Just a quick update on lost hours.

01:25:10 SPEAKER_050: So this past month saw a 70.9 percent increase in sick leave, clearly attributed to seasonal illnesses experienced by members.

01:25:22 SPEAKER_050: Year over year, sick leave hours only rose 1.4 percent, despite having several members off extended medical leaves of absence.

01:25:35 SPEAKER_050: WSIB-related lost hours decreased 77.5 percent in 2025 and zero in December, which is a significant point.

01:25:46 SPEAKER_050: Thank you.

01:25:47 SPEAKER_008: I think at the beginning of the meeting, when we talked about the agenda, we also were going to insert the report on building facilities.

01:25:55 SPEAKER_008: Thank you.

01:25:56 SPEAKER_008: Any?

01:25:59 SPEAKER_008: An email?

01:26:01 SPEAKER_056: Discuss with City and Craig.

01:26:02 SPEAKER_056: Did you have anything that you wanted to add?

01:26:06 SPEAKER_056: Yeah, we missed it.

01:26:07 SPEAKER_056: Yeah, just one more before.

01:26:08 SPEAKER_056: Oh, I'm sorry.

01:26:09 SPEAKER_056: That's okay.

01:26:11 SPEAKER_056: Just that email.

01:26:12 SPEAKER_056: So you'll see the board before.

01:26:24 SPEAKER_050: I put together a summary on the 34 Board initiative, and just briefly, this is a national Canadian movement designed to strengthen the recruitment, retention, and advancement of women in policing.

01:26:37 SPEAKER_050: It's inspired by the global 30-30 initiative, which aims to reach 30 women in police recruit classes by 2030.

01:26:44 SPEAKER_050: But the 34 extends beyond this time frame to create long-term, culturally embedded change across Canadian police services.

01:26:52 SPEAKER_050: So we signed the 34 pledge in November and are committed to improving recruitment, retention, and advancement of women in policing.

01:27:01 SPEAKER_050: Just some Owen Sound specific stats: women currently make up 24% of our sworn officers, with 40% in 2025 for recruits, and 10%.

01:27:16 SPEAKER_050: And this is all being done with only 10% of our applicants being female applicants.

01:27:21 SPEAKER_050: So it is quite a challenge.

01:27:22 SPEAKER_050: We are dealing with a reduced pool of applicants, and to secure professional, competent people that reflect the community that we serve.

01:27:33 SPEAKER_050: So we're working on initiatives that are going to support the 34 Pledge into the upcoming.

01:27:49 SPEAKER_050: And just a quick overview on staffing in December: started a recruit, hired a recruit constable, switchboard operator, and part-time cell block monitor, and we had two part-time resignations.

01:28:00 SPEAKER_050: For 2025, we had hired a total of 35 new people, and that was across the service and dispatch, cell block, constables, special constables, and auxiliary.

01:28:13 SPEAKER_050: And as well, we had two leadership roles, promotion to inspector, and a new inspector hiring.

01:28:21 SPEAKER_050: Inspector Heine.

01:28:24 SPEAKER_050: Lastly, there were just some legislative changes that came up for 2026.

01:28:29 SPEAKER_050: I highlighted them in the report related to public job postings and certain requirements that every employer must adhere to.

01:28:41 SPEAKER_050: Certain things such as restrictions on requiring Canadian work experience.

01:28:46 SPEAKER_050: This has never been a requirement in our postings, so it does apply to us.

01:28:49 SPEAKER_050: Mandatory mandate to order and disclosure of AI use.

01:28:52 SPEAKER_050: We don't use AI currently in our recruitment process, including pay transparency and postings.

01:29:01 SPEAKER_050: We always put the pay range for the roles that we're looking to hire for, so we're in compliance with that.

01:29:09 SPEAKER_050: Notify candidates within 45 days of the outcome of the process.

01:29:13 SPEAKER_050: Comply with that.

01:29:13 SPEAKER_050: We're well within that range.

01:29:17 SPEAKER_050: Increase recruitment retention records from one to three years.

01:29:21 SPEAKER_050: So this is something that just came in, and we'll adopt to that.

01:29:25 SPEAKER_050: And there were some new OHS requirements for washing cleaning logs.

01:29:29 SPEAKER_050: So they want every employer to post on each bathroom door when the last two cleans were, or to provide this information electronically to staff.

01:29:39 SPEAKER_050: So we've opted to do it electronically to staff.

01:29:41 SPEAKER_050: Our buildings are cleaned on a daily basis, and washrooms are cleaned on a daily basis, and we'll just advise staff if they got any issues.

01:29:47 SPEAKER_050: If staff have any issues, just let us know.

01:29:49 SPEAKER_050: Thank you, guys.

01:29:51 SPEAKER_050: So those updates.

01:29:55 SPEAKER_029: I have one thing on the last time.

01:29:57 SPEAKER_029: So last hours in WSIB, you'll see a big drop in that.

01:30:03 SPEAKER_029: So they were currently not...

01:30:07 SPEAKER_029: We currently still have one person off on WSIB.

01:30:09 SPEAKER_029: They're not receiving any benefits from directly from the police service anymore.

01:30:15 SPEAKER_029: So that's why it's been dropped, and they've been replaced on the board.

01:30:20 SPEAKER_029: You know, the decision to replace that individual is unlikely, but it will return.

01:30:25 SPEAKER_029: So that's why you see that there's nobody technically that have dropped down.

01:30:29 SPEAKER_029: And similarly, when you're paying out somebody on WSIB, you receive a rebate back from WSIB.

01:30:39 SPEAKER_029: So there are questions around that in the budget.

01:30:41 SPEAKER_029: I don't know how you budget.

01:30:43 SPEAKER_029: You know, a big drop, and you... you know, you're no longer getting that revenue.

01:30:48 SPEAKER_029: You no longer have the revenue, but you no longer have the expense.

01:30:51 SPEAKER_029: I'm not really sure how you... that there was... seem to be disappointment around the fact that revenue wasn't there anymore.

01:30:59 SPEAKER_029: But I see it as a positive thing that nobody's off of WSIB, and other than one individual, that there's no cost to that right now.

01:31:08 SPEAKER_029: I will stress that you're in a position that is highly unusual across the province for WSIB and policing, or any first response.

01:31:18 SPEAKER_029: Is there some?

01:31:18 SPEAKER_029: There are.

01:31:19 SPEAKER_029: There isn't more WSIB issue.

01:31:22 SPEAKER_029: Some services are upwards of 20%, and so I highlight that.

01:31:27 SPEAKER_029: That the fact is, there is still one person, but it's not reflected on there anymore.

01:31:32 SPEAKER_029: There's no cost associated with that intervention.

01:31:36 SPEAKER_029: That was actually something that came up at the conference we were at.

01:31:39 SPEAKER_029: Other boards, yeah, they...

01:31:41 SPEAKER_029: Boards, yeah.

01:31:41 SPEAKER_029: The WSIB numbers were ridiculous, significant, yeah.

01:31:46 SPEAKER_029: So we're... we're pretty fortunate here.

01:31:49 SPEAKER_032: I think that points out to the difference in the lens that's being used between the dollars and budget figures and the human resource capacity, capability, and the fact that that's something to celebrate.

01:32:04 SPEAKER_032: That WSIB is like there's no one on.

01:32:07 SPEAKER_032: That's remarkable, and I think... you know, depending on your lens, but, overarchingly, I think it's a positive for the police services that this... and don't jinx it.

01:32:20 SPEAKER_032: Okay.

01:32:20 SPEAKER_032: Yes, have a little.

01:32:21 SPEAKER_032: I call that one of my soapbox comments.

01:32:29 SPEAKER_011: But just on the 30 Forward programme, I was a little disappointed because we put a media release out.

01:32:35 SPEAKER_011: Of course, there's some public comments wanting to comment on it being DEI and everything else.

01:32:40 SPEAKER_011: The public session.

01:32:41 SPEAKER_011: I just want to say every single female officer that we have working here that we have hired has been hired because they were the top candidate out of that intake that we did.

01:32:52 SPEAKER_011: And there's no extra points for being female or anything else.

01:32:55 SPEAKER_011: Everybody that's working here, it was the best candidate to bring in.

01:32:58 SPEAKER_011: The 30 Forward programme is really trying to increase the number of applicants and that sort of thing to encourage it more.

01:33:03 SPEAKER_011: As a...

01:33:04 SPEAKER_011: I just wanted to say that there's no special tool being used to move women.

01:33:10 SPEAKER_011: They were the top candidates in our non-gender specific police application process.

01:33:17 SPEAKER_011: So, which we've been very lucky to get some excellent candidates, and the ones that we've hired recently have been doing very well.

01:33:24 SPEAKER_011: So, we just wanted to get on my soapbox and say that.

01:33:27 SPEAKER_011: So, and... and that's a valid point.

01:33:31 SPEAKER_032: There is the expression: "You have to see it to be it," and by opening up to all candidates and the initiative to recruit women, by seeing it as part of the larger force,

01:33:42 SPEAKER_032: it encourages others to consider it as a career opportunity as well.

01:33:46 SPEAKER_032: So, and that applies across the board.

01:33:49 SPEAKER_032: Gender is only one part of the whole picture, right?

01:33:52 SPEAKER_032: Yeah.

01:33:52 SPEAKER_032: So, yeah.

01:33:55 SPEAKER_032: Good.

01:33:57 SPEAKER_032: Great.

01:33:58 SPEAKER_032: Moving on to reporting building facilities.

01:34:03 SPEAKER_032: Okay.

01:34:05 SPEAKER_029: Yeah.

01:34:05 SPEAKER_029: So this was just something that I brought to the board chair extension.

01:34:08 SPEAKER_029: If I want to add it as a standing item, there may... there may or may not be any written report.

01:34:16 SPEAKER_029: It might just be a verbal report.

01:34:18 SPEAKER_029: Colleen's been put in charge, and Darcy's been put in charge of looking after you know working with the city on building maintenance and building issues.

01:34:28 SPEAKER_029: There are a couple of things that pass back... one... one that so he speak to those more directly.

01:34:36 SPEAKER_029: But one was that you know a water-filled water fountain somewhere in the building.

01:34:41 SPEAKER_029: I believe asked for that for four years.

01:34:44 SPEAKER_029: I don't know of any other public or any other facility by the city that probably doesn't have a water fountain for their staff.

01:34:50 SPEAKER_029: But you know comes down to...

01:34:53 SPEAKER_029: I know there are at least three and had three or four in City Hall.

01:34:57 SPEAKER_029: Maybe we can get one repurposed to come over here.

01:34:59 SPEAKER_029: But they've now...

01:35:00 SPEAKER_029: That they've now identified that because it's not forward-facing in the public, they're no longer supporting water filling or water fountains unless it's in the public area.

01:35:10 SPEAKER_029: So we've been told there isn't... that's the direction that was provided to city staff, council that they don't... that they're not doing that anymore.

01:35:20 SPEAKER_029: So these are the types of things that are... it's the things that we don't want to fall off the table.

01:35:26 SPEAKER_029: Like the last we heard was they were going to look into it, and that was in September 2023.

01:35:28 SPEAKER_029: Was in September of 2023, I think it was.

01:35:32 SPEAKER_011: It was towards the completion of the com centre.

01:35:35 SPEAKER_011: They came in and had one quote done, and the message was to look into that quote and get it broken down into some different locations.

01:35:43 SPEAKER_011: And it was left with facilities, and never got a response on it, so it just dropped.

01:35:48 SPEAKER_011: That would have been September of 2023.

01:35:50 SPEAKER_011: So that was... that.

01:35:50 SPEAKER_011: That's concerning, and... and we said well we can't put it in a for in a public area.

01:35:55 SPEAKER_029: We can put it into the Barkley room.

01:35:57 SPEAKER_029: The Berkeley room downstairs, and that way it's available for anybody that whenever that room is being used, and there's a washroom over there, so the plumbing shouldn't be that big an issue.

01:36:08 SPEAKER_029: But nothing's half done, so we're gonna continue to push, see what we can get.

01:36:14 SPEAKER_029: But that's one... that's one example of why we need to have this record of this because things don't get completed, don't get done, they get left,

01:36:24 SPEAKER_029: and then you know I'm busy running a police department.

01:36:28 SPEAKER_029: The police, the inspectors, and now the deputy are busy running a police department.

01:36:32 SPEAKER_029: And so then it's like, oh, whatever happened with the waterfront?

01:36:36 SPEAKER_029: Did somebody bring it up?

01:36:38 SPEAKER_029: We need something, and then I guess we'll... we'll do a history and search our emails and find that in September 2023 it was left.

01:36:46 SPEAKER_029: They'd get back to us, and nobody ever got back to us.

01:36:49 SPEAKER_029: So it's time to start putting things on that list and see whether if there's not... if there's been no progress then...

01:36:53 SPEAKER_029: If we have email progress, then we'll discuss that.

01:36:56 SPEAKER_029: And if there is, then let's keep it forward.

01:36:58 SPEAKER_029: So, one of the things, the other item on there, I've got it.

01:37:02 SPEAKER_029: I'm sorry.

01:37:03 SPEAKER_029: Yeah, yeah.

01:37:05 SPEAKER_043: This is different than a water filling station.

01:37:07 SPEAKER_043: This is a phone, correct?

01:37:09 SPEAKER_043: Either, either we have either one.

01:37:10 SPEAKER_043: So, essentially, what it is, it's just taking city water and chilling.

01:37:15 SPEAKER_043: As there's no filter, there's no reverse osmosis or any of that.

01:37:18 SPEAKER_050: The issue with getting one installed is that, according to the city's programme, it had to be public-facing, so anyone can use it.

01:37:25 SPEAKER_050: Thing is, you need a proper drain for the wastewater to go into,

01:37:30 SPEAKER_050: and if it's a fountain... so trying to find a location within this building that would accommodate that was quite challenging because if you were to sit in the front lobby,

01:37:39 SPEAKER_050: would involve digging up the floor, putting in a drain, that sort of thing.

01:37:42 SPEAKER_050: And I think the original estimate they gave was somewhere around like 25,000 dollars to install just water.

01:37:49 SPEAKER_050: It's just city water that you're drinking.

01:37:50 SPEAKER_050: That's but why can't we install a water bottle filling station?

01:37:56 SPEAKER_050: That's what I talked to Brady about to see some options.

01:38:00 SPEAKER_050: If we were to get like a rental unit, depending on the number of people that it's servicing, the cost could be upwards of five thousand dollars a year, just for rental.

01:38:10 SPEAKER_043: But the city has a programme to annually put in water bottle filling stations, and this is what I brought up Monday night.

01:38:19 SPEAKER_043: He did at the Bayshore.

01:38:19 SPEAKER_043: At the Beach Shore, upstairs for the beach house.

01:38:22 SPEAKER_043: That wasn't...

01:38:23 SPEAKER_043: No, you didn't have one.

01:38:24 SPEAKER_043: I'd ask for it too, but they told me it was a slam dunk.

01:38:29 SPEAKER_043: It would be about twenty-five hundred dollars, three thousand dollars to put in a water bottle filling station.

01:38:36 SPEAKER_043: So, I don't know why Brady's saying it is.

01:38:40 SPEAKER_043: He never discussed that option with me.

01:38:42 SPEAKER_043: We talked about from a staff perspective.

01:38:46 SPEAKER_043: We've got the main floor washrooms are all going to be renovated.

01:38:47 SPEAKER_050: Bathrooms are all going to be renovated, hopefully this year, and that there if there's some cost savings there,

01:38:54 SPEAKER_050: there might be the opportunity to install a water fountain or cooler within the building that's attached to one of the bathrooms for water access and drainage.

01:39:04 SPEAKER_050: He also talked about replacing our fridge downstairs with a water dispensing fridge, so we'd have ice cubes as well as cold water.

01:39:11 SPEAKER_050: That the city would probably cover that cost.

01:39:16 SPEAKER_050: So those are the only two options that have been presented to me.

01:39:16 SPEAKER_050: Only two options have been presented to me.

01:39:18 SPEAKER_050: I didn't...

01:39:18 SPEAKER_050: I wasn't aware of what you did.

01:39:19 SPEAKER_050: What you just described.

01:39:20 SPEAKER_050: Well, if that can be brought up to him, yes.

01:39:24 SPEAKER_050: I've only got three weeks with him left, so I have to honestly get hurried to see what things I can move forward.

01:39:30 SPEAKER_050: And there's a number of other things.

01:39:31 SPEAKER_050: I don't know if this is the time or place, but I do have updates on a number of different facilities matters.

01:39:37 SPEAKER_043: So, well, if you do have a chance to talk to him about this, yes, please do so.

01:39:42 SPEAKER_043: And if you don't get anything, let me know, and I'll bring it right up to council again.

01:39:48 SPEAKER_011: So the large cost that we got was directly related to public-facing.

01:39:52 SPEAKER_011: If we had to put it out in the lobby,

01:39:53 SPEAKER_011: because the only location we could put it in had to do with they'd have to get into the elevator chamber and be drilling and digging and everything else to put a drain in.

01:40:03 SPEAKER_011: Which anywhere else in our building, Tony said we have access to the backs of drains, the wall outside the bathroom, and that sort of thing, which would have been much cheaper.

01:40:11 SPEAKER_011: It was the cost that we were getting was driven by the demand that it be in a public-facing area, which there's no grain that's easily accessible there.

01:40:20 SPEAKER_032: I might suggest any communication you have to CCK Allen, so that when Brady leaves, there's a record.

01:40:30 SPEAKER_032: I would encourage that, so it's documented.

01:40:32 SPEAKER_032: But it's also because it would come forward probably through corporate services as well.

01:40:37 SPEAKER_032: Marion Brown wrote right up at council, and it could have been added on.

01:40:41 SPEAKER_032: But the water there wasn't much pushback about the water filling station, the additional one.

01:40:47 SPEAKER_032: So none.

01:40:49 SPEAKER_032: Yeah, so it's just you call it a disconnect.

01:40:52 SPEAKER_032: We're bordering on no-connect over here.

01:40:55 SPEAKER_032: Sure.

01:40:56 SPEAKER_032: That's what you call.

01:40:57 SPEAKER_032: Yeah.

01:40:59 SPEAKER_032: But I think considering options and the water filling station is not the ideal, but it's an option to consider.

01:41:07 SPEAKER_032: Yeah.

01:41:07 SPEAKER_059: I still follow with ready to get a number matter.

01:41:10 SPEAKER_059: So I'll try.

01:41:11 SPEAKER_059: I'll chat with him about that, and he did mention to me that they don't have a replacement yet for his position that Kate Allen would be the contact person.

01:41:20 SPEAKER_059: So thank you for that.

01:41:24 SPEAKER_059: We'll get our other ideas on that as well.

01:41:26 SPEAKER_059: You want to cover those off?

01:41:30 SPEAKER_059: I can give a quick just so everyone has context of where we're at.

01:41:34 SPEAKER_059: So obviously, park was an issue here, especially in the winter months with snow removal and that sort of thing, and the city has provided us with the issues with five temporary parking tags per month.

01:41:45 SPEAKER_059: Five, five.

01:41:46 SPEAKER_059: They're accessible down in records.

01:41:48 SPEAKER_059: What it means is you have to park somewhere intramurally to go into records to grab the tag, to then drive over First Avenue to the dashboard.

01:41:56 SPEAKER_059: Sometimes staff members forget to return the tag, and so the number gets depleted.

01:42:01 SPEAKER_059: So the city staff have their licence plates entered in the parking database to exempt them from taking it by law.

01:42:08 SPEAKER_059: Taken by bylaw when they're in.

01:42:09 SPEAKER_059: This is all city staff.

01:42:11 SPEAKER_059: All city staff.

01:42:11 SPEAKER_059: So I talked to Brady about that and asked him if he would entertain having our staff members have a primary plate number entered into the system.

01:42:21 SPEAKER_059: He seemed open to the idea.

01:42:22 SPEAKER_059: He said that he would get back to me this week about it.

01:42:25 SPEAKER_059: What it involves is that the clerk has to enter manually all these licence plate numbers, but once they're in, they're in.

01:42:32 SPEAKER_059: And then the only thing that we really need to do is just continue to monitor onboarding new people coming in or offboarding people leaving, which I'm happy to take care of that part of it.

01:42:40 SPEAKER_059: So I'm trying to make this very easy for him, and I'm hoping that we can get like numbers in there so that there isn't a need for parking tags or that sort of thing.

01:42:48 SPEAKER_059: People can drive directly to First Avenue Park there, straight across.

01:42:51 SPEAKER_059: So that was the update on the parking.

01:42:54 SPEAKER_059: We've discussed the water filling.

01:42:56 SPEAKER_059: Sorry, one comment.

01:42:57 SPEAKER_059: Sure, than that.

01:42:58 SPEAKER_059: Dave might have a date.

01:42:59 SPEAKER_059: I know he's bringing.

01:43:00 SPEAKER_059: Well, yeah, that's Dave.

01:43:01 SPEAKER_059: I got him this.

01:43:05 SPEAKER_029: I'll get it done, Dave.

01:43:06 SPEAKER_029: Been ongoing for probably five years to say that this is something that we need.

01:43:15 SPEAKER_029: It's not convenient.

01:43:15 SPEAKER_029: It's not working.

01:43:16 SPEAKER_029: The passes and there's been no progress on that either.

01:43:20 SPEAKER_050: Like even if we have to loan somebody or I can even go over there for a period of time and help them input the plates.

01:43:24 SPEAKER_050: Like this is not a big deal.

01:43:25 SPEAKER_050: It's law enforcement.

01:43:26 SPEAKER_050: Yes, it is.

01:43:27 SPEAKER_050: And they're getting more staff.

01:43:29 SPEAKER_050: Yeah.

01:43:30 SPEAKER_050: So he's new here, so he's still out.

01:43:34 SPEAKER_050: Tony was quite excited about the solution, and I—that I wasn't excited.

01:43:39 SPEAKER_050: I just needed what I needed to go.

01:43:41 SPEAKER_050: That we were left with, let us look into it, and plenty, but not fun.

01:43:48 SPEAKER_050: Yeah.

01:43:49 SPEAKER_050: Most part in water filling.

01:43:53 SPEAKER_050: Brady was aware of the fact that the police service board discussed putting together a new facility committee.

01:43:59 SPEAKER_050: So he wants to help out before release and to help out before he leaves,

01:44:02 SPEAKER_050: and he's going to make efforts to meet with the chief to talk about that in terms of what's involved in that assessment, pre-design study.

01:44:12 SPEAKER_050: If that's the case, here are the different things that we need to consider and what we need to follow up on, and what costs are involved in that,

01:44:18 SPEAKER_050: and is that a shared cost between the city and the PSB, or is it one or the other?

01:44:22 SPEAKER_050: So he's open to those discussions before he leaves.

01:44:25 SPEAKER_050: Just an update on that.

01:44:27 SPEAKER_050: Tuesday, Cleveland.

01:44:27 SPEAKER_050: Think as much as I can get from before he goes.

01:44:32 SPEAKER_050: So, just an update on.

01:44:39 SPEAKER_050: So I talked to you just a little bit about the remediation plan.

01:44:41 SPEAKER_050: So as I said, the current vendor that did the assessment, their estimate for the mold remediation was significantly high, very, very high.

01:44:49 SPEAKER_050: So they caused them to look at a couple other local businesses who also perform those same services, and I'll follow up with them this week.

01:44:59 SPEAKER_050: We should have an answer once that's been solidified.

01:45:00 SPEAKER_050: Who the vendor is going to be, then we can plan to have the remediation done.

01:45:05 SPEAKER_050: It'll be on a weekend, so it's less impact on staff.

01:45:09 SPEAKER_050: And as I said, once that's been completed, then we will be fixing the tiles.

01:45:15 SPEAKER_050: But they're going to buy a surplus of these tiles because until we get the HVAC recommissioning done, they're still going to water condensation potentially.

01:45:24 SPEAKER_050: So it's in their best interest to do the recommissioning sooner than later, so if there is an additional cost with replacing piles, sort of thing.

01:45:36 SPEAKER_050: So with the recommissioning, they've hired a company called WSP Canada as the consultant, and this company previously performed as a consultant with the City of Guelph.

01:45:50 SPEAKER_050: They're going to conduct an offsite and onsite review of the building automation system, the BAS.

01:45:57 SPEAKER_050: The completed report is expected in the spring.

01:46:00 SPEAKER_050: City will also need to hire an air balancing subcontractor.

01:46:04 SPEAKER_050: City will be speaking with John Topp as well to get him on board with future servicing of that system.

01:46:10 SPEAKER_050: John's very good at what he does.

01:46:12 SPEAKER_050: He's been around for a long time, but he focuses on just the issue and not the global part of it.

01:46:16 SPEAKER_050: And we need to take everything into consideration.

01:46:19 SPEAKER_050: So that's something that they're going to discuss with John.

01:46:24 SPEAKER_050: The city is accountable.

01:46:24 SPEAKER_050: The city has a capital plan to replace the power supply to and within the building.

01:46:29 SPEAKER_050: This is in the planning and RFP stage and will not take place sometime next year.

01:46:34 SPEAKER_050: It is a priority for the city to resolve.

01:46:37 SPEAKER_050: City had to confirm ownership of the transformer that's out back.

01:46:40 SPEAKER_050: Whether it was the city's or Hydro's, they've confirmed it belongs to Hydro.

01:46:45 SPEAKER_050: The RFP is to be issued in the next two weeks.

01:46:49 SPEAKER_050: The engineer and design process will take place this year.

01:46:52 SPEAKER_050: Construction slated.

01:46:53 SPEAKER_050: Production slated for next year.

01:46:56 SPEAKER_050: It's going to take them the better part of a year to order and receive all the required parts.

01:47:01 SPEAKER_050: As part of the electrical renovation, the city will be replacing all the lighting within the building to LED.

01:47:06 SPEAKER_050: Once that job is underway.

01:47:09 SPEAKER_028: Just a question.

01:47:10 SPEAKER_028: So that transformer that's out at the back, if it goes down, our calm centre is down as well, correct?

01:47:18 SPEAKER_028: We have backup generator for redundancy.

01:47:21 SPEAKER_028: But if it's going to take a year, do they bring in a portable one, transformer, or if we needed one, they could.

01:47:30 SPEAKER_028: I don't know.

01:47:32 SPEAKER_028: As for that, there are portable generator stations, but it'll take up a significant space in the parking lot.

01:47:39 SPEAKER_028: Yeah, so not.

01:47:40 SPEAKER_028: But could it be done?

01:47:41 SPEAKER_028: It could be done.

01:47:42 SPEAKER_028: Just while we're talking about the building, does Inspector Matheson have a door in his office yet?

01:47:48 SPEAKER_050: It's invisible.

01:47:50 SPEAKER_050: No, we're still waiting for that.

01:47:52 SPEAKER_050: We haven't got that door.

01:47:54 SPEAKER_050: We're supposed to come before year end, and then it was supposed to be on a truck coming the first week of January.

01:47:59 SPEAKER_050: And here we go three weeks.

01:48:00 SPEAKER_050: So, actually, that was something that I have to follow up with Brady on this.

01:48:04 SPEAKER_050: Because we discussed that, just add it to the list.

01:48:07 SPEAKER_050: We started the discussion at the April event last year.

01:48:12 SPEAKER_050: Yeah, we missed that topic actually when we were chatting.

01:48:15 SPEAKER_050: So I'll follow up with him today on that.

01:48:17 SPEAKER_050: Because all we need is the door here.

01:48:19 SPEAKER_050: Once the door is here, it'd only take a day to do the construction and put it up, and another day just to do some final touches, just painting that sort of thing.

01:48:30 SPEAKER_050: So, and I talked briefly about the name floor bathrooms.

01:48:33 SPEAKER_050: The city has allocated one hundred thousand dollars in the budget for this project.

01:48:37 SPEAKER_050: Derek met with a contractor who performed a site visit, took measurements.

01:48:43 SPEAKER_050: This project is going to be completed through Gordian, which is a job order contracting.

01:48:48 SPEAKER_050: This has a list of pre-qualified contractors and an à la carte catalogue, which is expected to shorten the procurement process.