I’m sure you’re aware that splitting the left is often seen as a win for the right, and reasonably so given FPTP and the political aversion in this country to what should be (and are in other parliamentary democracies) acceptable democratic political maneuvering, such as forming coalitions and crossing the floor unimpeded.

What’s your criticism here? Is it possible that your criticism is unfounded or missing some key considerations? What evidence would convince you?

Your original claim that having different understanding of things somehow taints criticisms of Canada implies that there’s a set of accepted views that cannot be challenged or diverged from. That’s a description of an echo chamber.

Yeah they’re called foundational values. I believe that people should be free to do as they wish as long as it doesn’t intrude on the right of others, for example. Foundational principles of a Western liberal democracy. I don’t believe you do, and so I don’t trust that you come to have a good faith discussion on anything related to the well being of Canada insomuch as it persists as a Western liberal democracy.

I’m saying that you and others in this thread are starting from wildly different fundamental beliefs and values, and, to put it kindly, they are divergent enough that they are effectively different realities.

You’ll forgive some in this thread, I’m sure, for doubting that any good faith discussion with the OP can be had on the topic of Western values. Their post and comment history is clear. When your pro-socialists leanings have you defending Russia in Ukraine, it somewhat taints your criticisms of Canada’s standards when it comes to a nuanced diplomatic matter like this.

I know, it’s so frustrating how everyone is making things up. Like, we don’t know anything about this situation. Are we even sure he got shot? Maybe his neck just kinda did that all by itself. Look I’m just asking questions. All I’m saying is that we can’t be sure of anything anymore.