Donald Trump has promised to pardon his White House staffers, reported the Wall Street Journal’s Josh Dawsey in an exclusive report on Friday.
Dawsey, the veteran DC reporter, cited “people who have heard his comments” in the bombshell report revealing that Trump is asking his staff to operate with a sense of impunity.
“I’ll pardon everyone who has come within 200 feet of the Oval,” Trump reportedly told staffers “in a recent meeting to laughs.”
When you start pardoning everyone… When you start operating so much outside of the law that this becomes SOP…
…You gotta stop and really question if what you’re doing is actually right or not.
And this guy is the PRESIDENT? Damn man. For shame.
I know the US has had an extremely troubled history and is constantly making costly ethical mistakes. But… This is just like… An exceptionally dark time for the USA. And that’s saying something.
Like, for real. What’s the exit plan here? What’s the actual outcome of this gonna be? How bad is this gonna get? And how do we, as people, overcome this?
All black pills and cynicism aside, this has got to stop, and the only way it’s going to, is with leadership with power. What type of leader is going to be the spearhead for the step forwards?
BOMBSHELL!!!
That’s quite literally not a way out for these traitors. That will just give the individual states easily winnable cases against anyone that accepts a pardon.
If the non-fascists take back Congress, we can change the current laws & simply extradite the rest of them to the Hague. And we’ve now seen how fast the federal government can move when it wants to.
At the very least, these traitors are going to be fighting civil lawsuits until they die.
If the non-fascists take back Congress.
Big “if” right there…
yeah agreed. I keep circling around the fact that our government is completely captured across every branch and party, and the interests that have it captured care nothing about Americans, or are hostile and just using us. The 2 political parties dictate the outcome for primaries, so they will never let an honest actor win a national primary unless a secret-decent person manages to sneak through their net, which seems unlikely given the grooming process politicians need to go through before they get any real power. Mamdani won because mayoral races arent as hard to enter and get funded as federal races are. But he did it despite the dems massive efforts to backstab his campaign into oblivion. Can that scale nationally? Seems hard to beleive.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/zohran-mamdani-democratic-party-establishment/
So whats inevitable now : Social programs and free speech/protests will inevitably be removed. I cant see a midterm win by dems leading to a turnaround in our national descent into fascism. Its really just a matter of time until some sort of revolution happens, and the centrists are just playing for time in an utterly doomed system. We’re in a dead zombie democracy that was a watered down version of democracy even when it was alive.
The response to this needs to be a resounding, “LOL, no,” from whatever administration comes next. The constitution gives the President the power of the pardon? Well, if gives Congress power of the purse, but we let him ignore that. The Supreme Court will intercede? One of them is married to a J6er, another one is openly taking bribes, and ar least three of them committed perjury when they told Congress said they wouldn’t overturn precedent. Our country can’t continue without accountability.
I guess a future president could fix it with more pardons. Make a list of people who if they receive mob justice from, the mob are instant pardoned. Might at least get the SC to rein in pardon power.
Because for me it’s not really about the people in the administration. Yeah, they suck and should be sent to the Hague. But there have been so many people that have bought pardons from the administration and they are the worst of the worst. Talking people who robbed and killed the elderly, some of the biggest con men and fraudsters. So damn many, they don’t even ever make the news.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot, but the problem is that the President can only pardon federal crimes, so if a mob drags Steven Miller from his house in California and kills him, the President can’t do anything to intervene. However, I’m pretty sure that the President could pardon crimes committed in D.C., and the Supreme Court has basically said the President can’t be held accountable for crimes committed in office, so in theory, a future President could order agents to take Miller into custody, bring him to D.C., and execute him. He could then pardon everyone involved and no one could be held accountable.
Considering that the SC has basically given the President king powers, the president could make an executive order that any place that domiciles those people on that list is considered federal property while they are there. The current admin has argued more absurd things then that in court already.
He could do something really funny and have a heart attack before pardoning anyone.
You had me at heart attack
They would have a weekend at Bernie’s before they would let the public know.
As soon as he kicks the bucket there will be a massive power vacuum and everyone will change their policies to align with Vance. Nightmare scenario tbh, I hope he lives til the day he goes lame duck.
Promises like his tax returns, the Epstein Files, payments to contractors, payments to rally organizers, that kind of a promise? Or the promises to stay faithful to his 3 wives, of which he cheated on the prior one with the future one.
Thwump has never understood the definition of the word “promise”.
Its the same vibe as that one kid in school saying “swear on my life on my LIFE that means if Im lying ill actually die i swear on my MOMS LIFE too im super serious”
Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, dismissed Trump’s comments in a statement, saying, “The Wall Street Journal should learn to take a joke, however, the President’s pardon power is absolute.”
It’s just a joke, bro! Unless…
It’s not like he’s blanket pardoned over a thousand hard criminals that attacked federal officers and property or anything. I’m sure this is nothing.
Y’all are the actual government of an entire country. You shouldn’t be making fucking jokes in the first place especially when it pertains to the law. And if this was a joke, it’s not even a very good one.
The Donvict operates this way, testing the waters to see how far he can go and see what might stick.
Trump has no sense of humor, he doesn’t know how to joke
my kid reverts to “im just joking” when they know they fucked up, and they are 8. is the potus an 8yo?
That’s not fair. 8 year olds aren’t nearly this dumb.
mine is
Doesn’t he say he’s the same person he was when he was 4 and proud of it?
7, but yes, he’s said that he’s the same person he was in first grade.
I personally believe him on this one.
It’s not absolute.
The leaders of a first world nation are no different from YouTube clown shows.
in december when both houses are returned to sanity the work of overturning pardons one by one will start
there will be no safe place for these people
I’ll believe it when I see it. Maybe if you manage to primary candidates that have a spine and will actually do this.
(But yes, everyone should vote blue in general midterms, because the electoral system is cooked and the alternative is messed up beyond words. Especially those who believe Dems are just pretending to oppose fascism or sometjing - the more the Dems win, the more their bluff gets called. And one can say: “Okay, we voted blue and blue won. Now what?”)
Lol out loud
And citizens are supposed to pay taxes to support these criminals?
Well, true Americans, not the woke American left or antifa /s
I guess if they do they feel represented by them, isn’t that their whole thing?
Openly manipulating markets and now betting sites for personal gain. They have already embezzled billions. Crypto scams up the wazzo.
The grift knows no end.
How is this a “bombshell”? Like really? Was this not assumed? Hell we don’t even know if this shit is technically illegal, immoral yes completely.
The bombshell is: His staff, despite interacting with the guy daily, believed him, I guess…
Well why not? He likely will throw pardons around (it likely makes him hard to abuse the system). At this point they kinda have to go for broke, they are “all in” so to speak.
Has he ever kept a promise, even accidentally?
To help out his friends and sycophants? Yes? I mean he pardoned those Jan 6 people already, and they did not even directly work for him.
Didn’t they though?
I still want SOMEBODY in his corrupt regime to end up in prison.
Sorry best we can seem to do is the collapse of the american empire.
Just feed it into my veins!
It’s not illegal, unfortunately.
There is a pretty significant chance that Trump won’t keep his word.
And that’s if he doesn’t just die before he has a chance to.
Generally speaking, you want to pardon your Capos because you don’t want them ratting on you.
You say this as if trump thinks things through.
Hows that Iran situation going? Oh, he declaired absolute victory? How very odd, and also factually untrue.
You say this as if trump thinks things through.
He’s been at this racket for a long while.
Hows that Iran situation going?
Everyone on the inside is making a ton of money.
If they’re pardoned they can’t hide behind the fifth, especially if he issues the blanket pardons like he’s threatening.
Might make for some interesting TV. And you KNOW those dumbfucks would then somehow screw up their testimony, subjecting them to perjury charges…
If they’re pardoned they can’t hide behind the fifth
They can if they don’t fear a contempt charge. Quite a few seem happy enough to entirely ignore subpoenas
Yeah but on the other hand, if they are pardoned then the 5th doesn’t apply to them and they can face charges for not answering questions.
I’d love it if the media would stop reporting that Trump doing the worst fucking thing imaginable is a “bombshell.”
But this is a bombshell, though? Would be the worst scandal of any other administration.
Every single day would be the worst scandal of any other administration.
Literally.
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“Bombshell Report: Trump tells his staff no one will be getting a pardon.”
Now there’s a headline I didn’t see coming.
“bombs’ hell” created by US & Israeli unprovoked aerial bombing attacks in Middle East
It’s almost like they’re criminals or something.
They can’t be pardoned if people get upset enough and remove them
A pardon doesn’t magically suspend physics, that’s for sure.
Bullet goes in, bullet goes out. You can’t explain that
That would require the repubilcan party to have a spine, and they gave that up a decade ago to better lick trumps “boots”
If impeachment goes to trial in the Senate and it looks like it might not go well for him, he will make sure everyone is pardoned before he is removed from office.
republicans will make a show of it but ultimately they won’t vote to remove him. They’re complicit and they’re absolutely wallowing in the fact that they can do whatever they want as long as they convince everyone it was his idea.
What are the odds of people getting “upset enough” about this, but not about putting your shitter full of top secret documents and getting away with it scot-free?
The interesting thing about child rape, is that it activates the completely unhinged QAnon-esque people, who actually do commit violence with glee. Though I disagree with them on many things, we just happen to be aligned on “child rape=bad”. That crime creates a visceral reaction that “stealing and selling state secrets” doesn’t quite emit.
So I feel like Epstein is the one thing that could actually get through to many in MAGA cult.
Okay, but do QAnon folks associate child rape with Trump or his administration? A tiny majority maybe, but most are still mainlining the Kool-Aid.
Most Christians are vehemently opposed to many things approved of in the Bible, but it doesn’t seem to bother them much.
So I feel like Epstein is the one thing that could actually get through to many in MAGA cult.
Too bad the majority will find a way to justify it rather than admit they supported everything they hated. Calling it now, “Trump had to rape those kids, how else could he have gotten in with those people to take them down?”
As long as it’s talking or writing about it people will find a way to justify it or just ignore it for sure.
It’d be a different thing altogether if some VHS tape of him and a crying child happened to appear. That’d turn all but the most vehemently ghoulish people against even him. There’d be no coming back from that. Some might say deepfake this and that but it’d still have an impact.
Probably why some survivors/witnesses simply disappeared. Probably why Melania did her little stunt the other day. Probably why Maxwell is still breathing, too. If someone stashed some tapes it would’ve been her. She had too much to lose. Nobody is truly untouchable when state actors are involved.
It’ll always be a game of percentages. There will always be some amount of hardcore cult members, but as worse and worse things come to light, the new info will pick off sections of MAGA one piece at a time. We can debate percentages, but I think a critical mass of MAGA would leave if they had crystal clear proof of Trump raping children.
One source I’m using is The Necessary Conversation youtube podcast, and while it’s just two data points, it give the regular person a really good insight into the cult.
So what. He promises a lot of things he doesn’t deliver. Staffers know that best of anyone.
They should, but so many still get caught out thinking they were special and that surely after 79 years, they’d be the person Trump didn’t screw over
I’m not sure they are thinking that. I bet they think they are the one person who can somehow ride the wave that it trump and find a way off it and still win. Like how a golddigger is hoping the guy will die soon. I mean, while hw is a grifter, he is a sloppy one. So the people around him end up recieving plenty of the spoiles of his grifting (points to stock market data right before trump does something that affects it greatly). So even if he does turn on them, they usualy come out rather rich.
