Intelligence and cybersecurity experts are warning the Liberal government about national security risks posed by allowing Chinese electric vehicles onto Canadian military bases.

Critics and some experts are even calling on Ottawa to ban the cars from Canadian Armed Forces bases and other sensitive sites due to onboard sensors they say could collect and transmit sensitive information to the Chinese government.

Their warning comes after Poland and Israel instituted similar bans on EVs built by Chinese companies like BYD Auto over the past year — and as Conservative politicians in Canada raise the alarm over the threat of so-called “spy cars.”

Dennis Molinaro, a counter-intelligence expert at Ontario Tech University and a former national security analyst, said the federal government should follow the example of Poland and Israel.

“Absolutely, Canada should be doing the same,” he told The Canadian Press. He said a national security law in China that appears to compel private companies to funnel intelligence back to Beijing could make the cars a security risk.

David Shipley, CEO of Beauceron Security, said the risks are high enough that Parliament should at least haul military brass and senior bureaucrats in front of a committee to testify about National Defence’s plans for managing those risks.

“The Chinese sometimes send us a good signal about what the risks are,” Shipley said. “They banned Teslas from their major political events and military bases for the same reason Israel is banning their BYDs.”

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    Force all manufacturers to pass privacy restrictions, regardless of the source of a vehicle. None of them should just be able to slurp up information and resell it, period.

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      Exactly. As far as I am concerned any and all sensor data remains disconnected and in the.vehicle. don’t we have GPS on our phones and the rest of the entertainment? I don’t understand why they need to transmit every single engine cycle and wheel turn.

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    Why not do something that’d solve this once and for all like:

    • Forcing the companies to have open source software for transmission unit so it can be vetted what they are transmitting
    • Mandatory requirement to make the network connectivity optional, if someone wants they should be able to just pull the transmission module out. Not everyone wants/likes constant surveillance.

    And this should be for all vehicles irrespective of country of origin or make

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      Yeah this is probably the only long term solution, and something China may actually be willing to do. Like they made HarmonyOS open source for example. The main thing is having “unlocked cars” similar to “unlocked phones” so they can be reflashed with Canadian vetted version of the software.

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      And given the asskissing of US companies to US authorities and Trump’s talk of taking over Canada, they would be VERY interested in Data on Canadian bases… Which they probably already have.

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    Why specifically EVs?

    They should ban any electronics from adversarial foreign nations.
    They’re not gonna because good luck getting any electronics manufactured outside of China, but banning EVs specifically when people have phones and computers and watches and etc, well it seems kind of pointless and arbitrary.

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    I don’t know anything specific about how bad the Chinese EVs typically are, but they should definitely ban Teslas.

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    I miss the days when cars were affordable transportation. Now they are surveillance devices that can deliver undesirables to concentration camps or assasinate anyone with plausible deniability.

    I want an EV with 1970’s features. Like this Porsche 911, but no OTA updates possible. It should be illegal.

    No android. No gps. No cameras. No OTA updates. No telemetry. It’s not an electronic leash, it’s a noose.

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    The US will be at war with China soon enough, and the government will force a ban. Because the US no longer buys US debt, so war will be inevitable.

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    Oh yeah, any NATO member who does not limit the outflow of critical military information to China should be treated as a pariah by other member states, it is a grave security risk.

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    You will never persuade prople to not support chinese ev. Keep losing your time