• DagwoodIII@piefed.social
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    If you think you can’t vote for a Democrat, remember that Trump has named the Dems as his greatest enemy.

    The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

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      Yes, but leave it to liberal voters to find a reason to hand Trump MORE power, because they “can’t vote for someone that isn’t perfect for whatever vapid reason they cough up thos week.” Liberal voters gave this country to Trump because they couldn’t hold their noses and push the button for Harris. They’ll find a reason to give Texas to the Repugnantcans… probably because Talarico is “too religious” - even though he’s one of the few Christians in America that follows Jesus’ actual teachings rather than slobbing the holy knob like Repugnantcans do with their back-asswards religious behavior. If Trump isn’t brought to rein in November, we won’t have a country left to hold elections in 2028. He’ll gut the election system just like he’s already trying to do. If the Dems let him… no, you know what… I’m going to speak truth… WHEN the Dems let him (he’s threatening to keep everything shutdown again if they don’t let him disenfranchise voters), this country will hear the death knell. It’ll take another decade maybe, but it will die. The Repugnantcans will drive in the knife. The Dems will make sure to hold a light for them so they can make sure they hit an artery.

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        There’s some truth to what you say, but the labels are a little off. The ones who didn’t vote for Harris don’t call themselves “liberals”, and they’re certainly not Dems. They are the far left, or Tankies, and they hate liberals. These days, they are one-issue voters on the issue of Israel-Gaza, and they only ascribe agency to the Democrats, who they blame for everything while pretty much ignoring the country’s fascist slide under then GOP. They wouldn’t vote for Talarico or Crockett.

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          They are the far left, or Tankies, and they hate liberals.

          Well, the few of them that weren’t bots, maybe. I’ve moved in leftist circles for my whole life, but haven’t met all that many tankies, and some of those I have met were contrarian student edgelords who later adopted some other unrelated extreme position, whatever they thought would get them some attention. It’s more a posture than a political philosophy.

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          The way I look at it is simple.

          Every Dem candidate since 1976 has been close to Jimmy Carter.

          Every GOP candidate has been more Right Wing than the last.

          I’d much rather have a slightly bad President than an absolutely terrible one.

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          The ones who didn’t vote for Harris don’t call themselves “liberals”, and they’re certainly not Dems. They are the far left, or Tankies, and they hate liberals.

          There are not, never have been, and never will be enough “tankie” American voters to ever be statistically relevant in any major election, especially presidential…

          Harris lost because she couldnt get enough of the ~30% of eligible voters that never vote off their asses.

          In large parts due to having zero natural charisma, and a policy platform to the right of what the average voter wanted, but not as far right as trump.

          Under those conditions a loss is virtually guaranteed, which is why just a few months after that the voting members of the DNC pivoted away from the neoliberals who shoved her down America’s throats and gave the DNC to probably the least biased state chair in modern history.

          Like, the people you’re blaming just aren’t enough people to matter, regardless of who they voted for or if they voted.

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            For sure, there aren’t enough proper tankies to make a difference, but the Gaza issue became so mainstream, there may well have been a critical mass of one-issue voters to throw the election. These people (most of them probably fairly young) may not have an opinion one way or the other on China, but they believe the same far left propaganda about “both sides” being equally bad.

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              Buddy…

              If you removed the straw that broke the camels back, it would still buckle under the weight seconds later.

              One straw isn’t enough, if Biden/Harris had been perfect except for Gaza, they’d have won easily

              And if changed on just Gaza, there’d be a different “single issue” being blamed.

              Biden/Harris were uncharismatic and to the right of the average American voter, but obviously not far enough right to get trump voters.

              It was a piss poor strategy and that’s why the DNC pivoted so hard last year in their chair election.

              You’re so late to understanding this issue, you missed that we solved it a year ago.

              But you’re still so confident despite that ignorance

              Why not ask questions?

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                Ironic that you chide me for being ignorant and having unwarranted confidence in my opinion, when twice you’ve claimed that the average American voter is to the left of mainstream Democratic pols. That is one of the dumbest theories I’ve heard in a while.

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                  you’ve claimed that the average American voter is to the left of mainstream Democratic pols. That is one of the dumbest theories I’ve heard in a while.

                  She came out for fracking…

                  For tougher border policy than trump/Biden were doing…

                  She said Biden had done enough for student loans and shed maintain course even tho it wasn’t working…

                  But most importantly she told anyone that would listen she’d do everything just as Biden did.

                  Because neoliberals always act like Dem voters want what Republican voters want.

                  Because they are to the right of the average American not just in policy, but in personality.

                  You may be too close to that to be able to see it

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    “Some stood with Jasmine, others stood with Talarico, and that’s exactly how democracy is supposed to work,” Williams said. “Primaries are where we compete, but November is where we decide. And if you don’t make that shift from competition to coalition, we lose more than an election. We lose momentum. We lose representation.”

    The entire reason she ran, by her own admission, was the polls the NSRC were pushing, they were the ones that started including her name because they hoped to fracture the Dem base and get a weaker opponent. There’s no reason to expect Republicans will stop using her to divide the base in Texas, and she’s shown over and over that she’s easily manipulated by liars and grifters.

    I really don’t think Crockett is mature enough to understand her best move now is tying her wagon to Talarico. If she wants a higher office (and she clearly does) then that’s the move to keep her name in the public.

    Not to mention it showing voters that she’s willing to keep fighting despite no chance for personal gain out of it.

    But I fully expect her to go back to her best MTG impression in the house.

    Love for her to prove me wrong and keep fighting to get a D texas senator even tho it’s not her. I just can’t see any logical reason to expect it

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      There’s a lot of bitter sentiment toward Talarico among Black voters in Texas who don’t think their interests can be represented by anyone but Crockett. Lots of “he hasn’t done anything to deserve my vote” kind of talk, if that sounds familiar.

      The primary result shows that he is hitting the mark with everyone from progressives to religious moderates, but he’s got an uphill battle with Black voters and he’ll probably be spending a lot of time on messages like the one in the article for the rest of the year. I would hope that Crockett gets on board with endorsements and campaigning for him, but I think you may be right that she didn’t have that in her.

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        There’s a lot of bitter sentiment toward Talarico among Black voters in Texas who don’t think their interests can be represented by anyone but Crockett. Lots of “he hasn’t done anything to deserve my vote” kind of talk, if that sounds familiar.

        And that is legitimately the result of Republican propaganda…

        They haven’t been shy about it, it’s open information now.

        https://www.notus.org/senate/jasmine-crockett-nrsc-texas-senate

        That’s why I’m saying what a good Dem politician would do (even for purely selfish reasons) would be to campaign for Talarico.

        But I don’t think she will, I think best case she never mentions the Senate race again. But I could see her doing some truly stupid shit too. I legitimately don’t understand why people like her.

        For most people just knowing how she got her current seat would be enough for them to want her primaried…

        On November 20, 2021, incumbent representative Eddie Bernice Johnson of Texas’s 30th congressional district announced she would not seek reelection in 2022.[21] Four days later, Crockett declared her candidacy for the seat. Johnson simultaneously announced that she was backing Crockett.[22][23] Crockett also received extensive financial support from Super PACs aligned with the cryptocurrency industry, with Sam Bankman-Fried’s Protect Our Future PAC giving $1 million in support of her campaign.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jasmine_Crockett

        If she ever be ame a Senator, shed likely pull a Sinema. The only excuse is she’s easily manipulated and just keeps getting played. Which itself is a reason to stop fucking electing her.

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    I’d vote for him a thousand times in the general, but fuck do these religious type of politicians sicken me. Check out these nerds trying to at me about his separation of church and state stance, blah blah blah, he’s literally campaigning in the literal church.

    Maybe he’s whats needed in a purple state, though? Unlikely, Republicans fall in line while Democrats have to fall in love.

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      If you want others to fall in line then maybe that’s what you should do instead of complaining about the candidate that won the primary. Say something positive about the only dude with a shot at winning a Senate seat in Texas

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        “I’d vote for him a thousand times” is a pretty glowing review, imo. The alternative is a theocrat with a red tie, and fuck those guys.

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          The endorsement loses quite a bit of steam when you follow it up with a statement that makes it sound like you disagree with everything he stands for though, wouldn’t you agree?

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            I disagree with about 78% of what he stands for, theocracy is pure evil and religion being the foundation of his political beliefs is inherently corrupt, but I disagree with the GOP candidate 98% at least, so obviously we need this fucker to win.

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        “the only dude”

        yes, just what the doctor ordered… another white christian dude in the senate

        we’re all gonna vote for this seminarian, but jfc how about some diversity ffs?

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          Winning in Texas is a long shot with anyone. A white Christian man is exactly the kind of person you need to run there, especially one attempting to push back against MAGAs hold on Christian voters using socialist language from the Bible and calling out Republican hypocrisy. If you want to play identity politics games just so you can end up with another Hakeem Jefferies you’re only going to lose by a wider margin. That’s the kind of shit that got us here in the first place.

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            sorry, i’m not sure that looking for some representation that isn’t old white christian dudes is ‘identity politics’.

            it seems like having some other kinds of voices that represent what our nation actually looks like would be beneficial for all of us.

            hakeem jeffries is fuken a milquetoast shit gibbon waiting to pelosi his way to riches beyond the imagination. fuck that guy.

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          He’s the only one with a shot of winning because he just won the primary and is now the only Democrat running. If Crockett won, she’d be the only one with a shot.

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            yes i understand how primaries work. i had just hoped for a different outcome.

            thank you for taking the time to explain, man.

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    Talarico should concentrate on courting Republicans and independents. In a Red state like Texas, his policies have to be not too far to the left.