Can you elaborate a bit more about leftist and liberals not willing to meet men where they are?
Why is it that men find Nazis more appealing, I wonder? It’s almost as if you treat people well they are more interested in hearing what you have to say…
I don’t know about that. Isn’t it ego-stroking? If you say that they deserve things and the reason life is crappy is because of these “other” people then you create bonding over that?
If you say that they deserve things and the reason life is crappy is because of these “other” people then you create bonding over that?
This is quite literally how class war rhetoric draws people in. Just look at the memes in leftist spaces. Empathy, solidarity and universal human progress takes a far back seat to “eat the rich”.
Yep. Violence and death is great, when it’s against the people we don’t like. And bad when it’s against the people we do like.
And anyone who disagrees with us about who is good and bad, is a Nazi/fascist. But if we want to put people in camps and use the power of the state for violence and murder, it’s for good reasons!
liberal leftist discourse generally approaches men with the assumption they are already awful and must be reformed. especially if you are white and working-class. You are an ignorant sexist horrible person, until you have jumped through their hoops and read the relevant literature.
the white working-class guy is painted as a prototypical right-wing/nazi type, so if you have any of these traits, you are ‘guilty’ by default in the eyes of leftists. esp fediverse leftists.
ego stoking is how you get anyone to join your side. leftists blame other people for their own issues too, and stokes up their base by saying they are the only ‘good’ people.
As a white working class man leftists are great. I never have to explain myself and they accept me as I am.
I’ve never felt that I was portrayed any particular way by leftist discourse. Much of what we talk about is how to make the country better for working class Canadians. As should not be a shock, most leftist are working class, most are white. We’re largely a white working class country.
Neo Nazis approach young men who are confused and angry about their lot in life and give them simple answers. They’re not meeting them where they are, they’re flattering them by pretending the world is conspiring to destroy white men.
I spent 3 years in uni being screamed at, in my face often, about how awful I was for being white and working class guy. Glad you didn’t have that experience? But plenty of men do. But it was really hard not to become totally alienated by that. A few times I was threatened physically, because I ‘don’t look leftist’, whatever the fuck that means. I still occasionally have some nutbags approach me and scream at me about my perceived politics based on how I look.
The left needs to give people simple answers and stop pushing convoluted narratives about how how being white and male is inherently awful and oppressive and you must be ‘reformed’ of your whiteness and maleness.
You seem to be confusing leftism in general with economic leftism. they aren’t the same thing.
leftists in general, esp the vocal ones here on lemmy, tend to be authoritarians. They think taxing the rich and universal health care are neoliberalism/shitlib positions and we need to ‘tear the system’ down rather than reform it as a social democracy.
No. Personal experience isn’t science. Your demand that I provide scientific proof of personal experience is absurd and just your bad faith way to totally dismiss it.
Can you prove to me with a scientific argument and data that you are leftist? Or that you are a true leftist? Or am I just supposed to ‘believe’ your self-reporting? I’m confident your sample size for your political beliefs and experiences consists of one.
More likely, they instigated hateful rhetoric and were called out on it. They didn’t understand that they were being called out for their hateful views and words so it’s easier to say, “they yelled at me because I’m a white cis man” when the truth would force introspection
Can you elaborate a bit more about leftist and liberals not willing to meet men where they are?
I don’t know about that. Isn’t it ego-stroking? If you say that they deserve things and the reason life is crappy is because of these “other” people then you create bonding over that?
This is quite literally how class war rhetoric draws people in. Just look at the memes in leftist spaces. Empathy, solidarity and universal human progress takes a far back seat to “eat the rich”.
Yep. Violence and death is great, when it’s against the people we don’t like. And bad when it’s against the people we do like.
And anyone who disagrees with us about who is good and bad, is a Nazi/fascist. But if we want to put people in camps and use the power of the state for violence and murder, it’s for good reasons!
liberal leftist discourse generally approaches men with the assumption they are already awful and must be reformed. especially if you are white and working-class. You are an ignorant sexist horrible person, until you have jumped through their hoops and read the relevant literature.
the white working-class guy is painted as a prototypical right-wing/nazi type, so if you have any of these traits, you are ‘guilty’ by default in the eyes of leftists. esp fediverse leftists.
ego stoking is how you get anyone to join your side. leftists blame other people for their own issues too, and stokes up their base by saying they are the only ‘good’ people.
As a white working class man leftists are great. I never have to explain myself and they accept me as I am.
I’ve never felt that I was portrayed any particular way by leftist discourse. Much of what we talk about is how to make the country better for working class Canadians. As should not be a shock, most leftist are working class, most are white. We’re largely a white working class country.
Neo Nazis approach young men who are confused and angry about their lot in life and give them simple answers. They’re not meeting them where they are, they’re flattering them by pretending the world is conspiring to destroy white men.
I spent 3 years in uni being screamed at, in my face often, about how awful I was for being white and working class guy. Glad you didn’t have that experience? But plenty of men do. But it was really hard not to become totally alienated by that. A few times I was threatened physically, because I ‘don’t look leftist’, whatever the fuck that means. I still occasionally have some nutbags approach me and scream at me about my perceived politics based on how I look.
The left needs to give people simple answers and stop pushing convoluted narratives about how how being white and male is inherently awful and oppressive and you must be ‘reformed’ of your whiteness and maleness.
More economics, less identity politics.
How is tax the rich at the same rate as everyone else difficult?
How is universal healthcare convoluted?
You seem to be confusing leftism in general with economic leftism. they aren’t the same thing.
leftists in general, esp the vocal ones here on lemmy, tend to be authoritarians. They think taxing the rich and universal health care are neoliberalism/shitlib positions and we need to ‘tear the system’ down rather than reform it as a social democracy.
I’m sorry those two things are separate how?
Your sample size and methodology is suspect. Can you share more data other than “I feel”?
No. Personal experience isn’t science. Your demand that I provide scientific proof of personal experience is absurd and just your bad faith way to totally dismiss it.
Can you prove to me with a scientific argument and data that you are leftist? Or that you are a true leftist? Or am I just supposed to ‘believe’ your self-reporting? I’m confident your sample size for your political beliefs and experiences consists of one.
You’ve made claims, I asked you to provide information that backs it up.
So you’re here spouting the same lines that right wing podcasters did a decade ago with about as much backing you.
Be better than rethoric that is a decade old.
No you didn’t. That’s absurd.
More likely, they instigated hateful rhetoric and were called out on it. They didn’t understand that they were being called out for their hateful views and words so it’s easier to say, “they yelled at me because I’m a white cis man” when the truth would force introspection
Or you are the typical head in the sand leftist who totally denies how highly problematic much of your cohort is.
Because if I wast a good leftist, that would never happen to me right? I must be a closeted Nazi, right?